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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,850

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Starmer hasn't won yet!
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,100
    IanB2 said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    A handy excuse, and they aren’t waiting until it happens, in case it doesn’t.
    It really is time for change, vote Tory.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 8,236
    edited May 20
    Biden going with 'outrageous' for the ICC. If the Yanks go tonto it might scupper the good ship International Crim Court
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,102

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,042
    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,803

    Biden going with 'outrageous' for the ICC. If the Yanks go tonto it might scupper the good ship International Crim Court

    If all the ICC is going to be is a court to prosecute warlords from developing nations and east Europeans then it may would be better off doing that.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,735

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    Regretting it would be progress! ;) jk jk
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,803

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Starmer hasn't won yet!
    No, but he is going to. It is not unreasonable for organisations to pre empt that and what it may mean.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,042

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,819
    edited May 20
    I'm afraid all this stuff is the norm. As you know I am supporting yet another campaign of injustice. It isn't as serious as the PO or Blood scandal as nobody has died or been sent to prison unjustly but people have lost a lot of money due to Government incompetence and died while waiting for justice. Finally after 12 years there has been acceptance after 12 years of denial but after months of that no sign of compensation is forthcoming. We are told it is complicated. It isn't.
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    Cyclefree said:

    megasaur said:

    What is missing is any comment on the irony of a report five years in the making, criticizing the "slow and protracted nature" of anything else. This is the fundamental vice of the English legal system, that it thinks the longer drawn out the better. The Commercial Court in London loves to list trials for 30 weeks, with 3.5 million pages of documentation in neat little bundles. The equivalent Court in Paris will set aside a whole morning for the same case. "A thorough exploration of the issues" is the watchword and any knock on effects arising because the professionals involved charge by the day or hour are irrelevant. This really ought to stop; there must be a point where alleged marginal gains arising out of thoroughness are outweighed by delay and expense.

    Any lawyer involved who was instructed five years ago, will have understood the bare bones of what happened and why four years and 50 weeks ago. The rest is theatrics.

    One reason why these inquiries take so bloody long is because there is such resistance for so long to admitting there is a problem. If action had been taken right at the start not only would the problem have been very very much smaller but resolving it would have been quicker.

    Ditto with the PO - the PO was told in 2001 of the problems which were set out in a judgment in 2019. The Chair was told in a letter in 2003. Over a decade was wasted denying the problems, let alone putting them right and instead making them very much worse. So there is more to find out: not just about the problems but the responses and the cover up.

    Crises never start out as big problems. But as small ones which are ignored.
    It's a question of who *outside the institution* is told what when and what they do about it. Sir Ed Davey's evidence to the PO enquiry is going to be interesting.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,196

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,618
    Not just a problem in the UK listening to whistleblowers.

    In Australia a whistleblower has been sentenced to 5 years in jail for leaking details of alleged war crimes in Afghanistan to broadcaster ABC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-69006714#:~:text=A whistleblower who helped expose,legal rulings sank his defence.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,867
    edited May 20

    Biden going with 'outrageous' for the ICC. If the Yanks go tonto it might scupper the good ship International Crim Court

    5 out of the 6 on the panel where British and the academic advisers were all based at UK universities. Don't think that will help Biden's opinion of the British.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242
    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    It is important that women should only express opinions when they have been given permission to do so.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,042
    edited May 20
    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.
    I do wonder why you’re so invested in dismissing this as a “non-issue” - least of all after the Cass report.

    In this case - after many similar judgements:

    Tribunals just don't throw around terms like 'heresy hunt' or invoke Kafka when there is a borderline case of harassment. This was an extraordinary abuse of power against a woman just trying to centre the needs of rape victims at a rape crisis centre.

    https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1792560704978858133

    The GI crew drove a cart & horses through Equality Law, case by case they are having the cart & horses driven over them.

    Toxic on both sides eh?

    'Women who req'd female-only care were turned away and never referred to rape crisis centre funded by JK Rowling. Those who wrote to ERCC about female-only care were 'bigots'. Their emails stored in folder called “Hate emails”.


    https://x.com/JournalistJill/status/1792577209502244963

    IMV this has been seriously f*cked up - and now it’s getting un-f*cked.

    If you’re not interested in women’s or children’s rights that’s fine - but I am, as they’re somewhat over half the population. Ignored at your peril.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,850
    edited May 20
    Tres said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Labour????
    Yep, the same way people like Leanne Mohamad are blaming Wes Streeting and Labour for UK policy towards Israel-Palestine.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 13,026
    edited May 20
    Evening all :)

    R&W continues its theme of rewarding the LDs one week and punishing them the next. One of their bigger sample polls at 3,700 - they had a 5,000 sample poll in mid February.

    The strange thing is the R&W and Deltapoll numbers are almost identical this week having been widely different last week.

    We also have a YouGov for Scotland which has Labour 10 points ahead of the SNP. The Conservatives are on just 12% suggesting a swing from Conservative to Labour of 17% and from SNP to Labour of 18%
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,042

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    It is important that women should only express opinions when they have been given permission to do so.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,867

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    It is important that women should only express opinions when they have been given permission to do so.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
    I don't even need to click the link to guess its Harry Enfield sketch.
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    I am not sure you are making sense. Unless there is something uniquely X and Y chromosome affirming in the CI soil, if the trans population is basically zero there it's proportionally zero everywhere. In which case the correct response is surely to do everything we can to ensure justice and kindness for the trans but not restructure society as we would if they constituted a significant proportion of it?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,029
    Another miserable and sour display from the SNP in Westminster I see.

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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,868

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Eabhal said:

    Big move to Labour in Scotland. 10pt lead. Westminster GE.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1792556360913072303?t=GcIWJW7GMGaD_KQIZRLfZg&s=19

    McStarmer fans please explain

    Sir Keir popped up on Sunday Brunch on the telly yesterday. Just came across as a genuine, nice bloke. No idea why he gets the opprobrium he gets on PB. Worth a watch.
    I never understand this 'he comes across as a nice bloke' stuff. I'm not voting for someone I want to hang out with. I'm voting based on what they'll do, or say they'll do, what they've done in politics and outside and to achieve a desired political goal.
    I wasn't expecting him to twat Simon Rimmer with a frying pan and scream '****' at him, its the bare minimum to come across as ok on a soft soap magazine show
    I've pretty much given upon them. They're reproducing the Blair playbook but it's not the 1990s and the problems aren't the same. We've been running off debt since 2008, made worse by Covid, and that won't work any more. Consider two problems: the die-off of the Boomers over the next 15 years, and the increasing bankruptcy of British cities. Everything I have heard from Labour on this is either irrelevant or (given Streeting's talking hard to the NHS) will actually make things worse. The two major parties are doing Potemkin politics...
    Without going all SeanT, we also have a major problem with long term low productivity and growth, combined with much more powerful China and (throws hand grenade) rise of AI. We have imported very large numbers of people to do all lower end / manual jobs, while not grown the middle and higher end to any great extent, and AI is, if nothing else, going to seriously disrupt the lower end of the white collar job market.

    I don't hear any real plan from anybody on what to do. And unlike the US, we can't just turn the money print to max, as we found with Liz Truss, if you have radically uncosted ideas, the market won't accept it.
    The minibudget was really not that radical in fiscal terms.

    I read scurrillous rumours in Guido's comments (I know) from an avowed Tory insider, who believed that Larry Fink from Black Rock pounded UK bonds till Truss was a gonner. He had no evidence beyond his impression, and clearly I have even less, but the takeaway point is that 'the market' is actually full of investors, some huge investors who can exert a huge influence, and whether or not they are politically-minded, some of them have a real commercial interest in who the UK PM is and what policies they pursue. Black Rock are clearly quite interested in UK politics; they don't employ George Osborne for his looks.

    Usual caveat - Truss could have played it better and her Government might have triumphed, but it was camel through the eye of the needle stuff.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,440
    megasaur said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    I am not sure you are making sense. Unless there is something uniquely X and Y chromosome affirming in the CI soil, if the trans population is basically zero there it's proportionally zero everywhere. In which case the correct response is surely to do everything we can to ensure justice and kindness for the trans but not restructure society as we would if they constituted a significant proportion of it?
    Technically, society hasn't been restructured: society was binary before GRA2004, and the transition procedure laid out there (panel, certificate, change sex on birth certificate) was meant to fit into that structure.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,771

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
    I am no big fan of the current iteration of the Labour Party, but on this I am with them all the way.

    Excuse me for a moment whilst I look for my tiny violin.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,828
    kjh said:

    I'm afraid all this stuff is the norm. As you know I am supporting yet another campaign of injustice. It isn't as serious as the PO or Blood scandal as nobody has died or been sent to prison unjustly but people have lost a lot of money due to Government incompetence and died while waiting for justice. Finally after 12 years there has been acceptance after 12 years of denial but after months of that no sign of compensation is forthcoming. We are told it is complicated. It isn't.

    Culturally we all know the right things to say about openness, accountability, justice, correcting mistakes etc etc, but our practice is decidely less grand than our words. The truth has to be dragged out, and even when acknowledged will usually be inadequately addressed.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
    I am no big fan of the current iteration of the Labour Party, but on this I am with them all the way.

    Excuse me for a moment whilst I look for my tiny violin.
    Cue the stories in the Guardian about middle class pushy parents “stealing” all the good state school places.

    In the magazine section, an article on how to get the best place in the best school for your child, using those elbows.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,638

    Biden going with 'outrageous' for the ICC. If the Yanks go tonto it might scupper the good ship International Crim Court

    5 out of the 6 on the panel where British and the academic advisers were all based at UK universities. Don't think that will help Biden's opinion of the British.
    The clip of announcement with them trying to look intimidating was like a coup leader declaring that he has seized power.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,803
    Crooner Frank Ifield, he of ‘She taught me how to Yodel’ and ‘I remember you’ has gone to join Cpt Tom, Nana and the Angles.

    https://x.com/superstar_cars/status/1792616455747363290?s=61
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,828
    Almost done with the prosecution case in the Trump trial I see.

    It's a difficult one really - there's been plenty of evidence of a crime being committed, fraudulent checks and so on, and it is highly inplausible that all the people involved would do that without his direction, but he keeps his written communication minimal and talks in vague terms a lot, so at least one or two jurors not thinking he had the necessary intent remains possible, even if the actual acts are pretty firmly proven.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242
    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    Can I suggest you read the judgment and educate yourself about what it says and why it matters.

    This was about the treatment of female rape victims and a counsellor who tried to do her best for them.

    It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job, who attacked women, who described the law as "boring" (which is doubtless why he chose to ignore it), who deliberately set about harassing and discriminating a member of staff - an experienced counsellor - unlike him, which turned away rape victims who wanted help from other women and which, spitefully, even refused to tell them about another all-women rape service, preferring to put their letters in a folder marked "Hate Mail".

    There are many other aspects of the judgment which warrant careful thought but no you prefer to dismiss because you cannot bear to think that women might occasionally be right.

    The case also raises interesting questions about the Scottish political establishment which supported this man and about how it consults on legislation. One of the Green MSPs is also implicated. So @CarlottaVance is quite right to raise it on a politics website.

    Women are a majority of the population. Very many of them have been raped - including me - and very many of them want, for reasons which ought to be obvious even to the most dim-witted, not to have a man near them when being counselled or seeking help. It is your ignorant response which merits the description "mean-spirited".
    But it’s a complicated problem and the idea of balancing the rights of two protected groups is incompatible with “no one more progressive than me”.

    Can’t everyone not talk about it and do nothing? Until the results of the judge led enquiry in 30 years time? And hopefully everyone involved is dead so we don’t have to admit any mistakes or pay any compensation?

    Why does that sound familiar. Is there an echo in here, or something?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,042
    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    @CarlottaVance is quite right to raise it on a politics website.
    “Yes that is why I decided to stand down.” Sturgeon saying for the first time that she quit over toxicity in the trans debate

    For context, she had noticeably struggled to argue her own position when it collided with real life cases, especially in prisons…

    The trans community & allies saw how Sturgeon swayed with public opinion. In January 2023, when the going got tough (Isla Bryson etc), her gov reacted by going hardline: a total pause on trans people changing prisons. Not case by case - a ban, exclusively affecting trans people.…

    Publicly, Sturgeon still wanted to be a trans ally. She was an advocate for slogans, such as “all trans women are women,” but on the substance she couldn’t articulate why, being in power, her gov didn’t actually treat all trans women as women if she truly believed it.…

    Nicola Sturgeon breathed life into the case for gender reform. But on the politics, it was a rare case in which Sturgeon really struggled to connect with the country. Hearing how this affected her decision to resign is unsurprising; it is more surprising to see no self-criticism.


    https://x.com/PeterAdamSmith/status/1792605004320186566
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,440
    edited May 20
    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    ...It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job...
    You may have left out an important detail there.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,618
    kle4 said:

    Almost done with the prosecution case in the Trump trial I see.

    It's a difficult one really - there's been plenty of evidence of a crime being committed, fraudulent checks and so on, and it is highly inplausible that all the people involved would do that without his direction, but he keeps his written communication minimal and talks in vague terms a lot, so at least one or two jurors not thinking he had the necessary intent remains possible, even if the actual acts are pretty firmly proven.

    Though he has to be acquitted of all 38 charges to be innocent, the prosecution only need to get a conviction on 1
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,850

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    It is important that women should only express opinions when they have been given permission to do so.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
    I don't even need to click the link to guess its Harry Enfield sketch.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNa1RYgV17o :innocent:
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,155
    Taz said:

    Crooner Frank Ifield, he of ‘She taught me how to Yodel’ and ‘I remember you’ has gone to join Cpt Tom, Nana and the Angles.

    https://x.com/superstar_cars/status/1792616455747363290?s=61

    I remember hi….im.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,030
    edited May 20
    I noticed today that Matt Goodwin hasn't corrected his recent poll which has been affected by a processing error, and so I sent him an email to make sure he was aware of the error.

    One interesting consequence of the error is that the 0% support he published for the SNP provides a good example of how the endpoints of a LOESS smooth can be affected by an outlier - you can see the SNP line is dragged right down in the Wikipedia graph.
    image
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242
    viewcode said:
    The Tankie outrage out there about people celebrating the death of a pillar of Human Rights and Democracy…
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    ...It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job...
    You may have left out an important detail there.

    No. I don't think so. He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India. He was legally and biologically a man. The post was reserved for women - lawfully - under the Equality Act. He cheated. He was a mate of Nicola's. His partner got a £1.4 million contract for something or other. And he got put into various bodies with which the SNP was consulting and said all the things the SNP wanted to hear.

    The judgment is damning. I have read all 109 pages. My fellow lawyer in the LegalFeminists was the barrister who acted for the complainant. She also won the recent case brought by Rachel Meade against Social Work England, the regulator and Westminster City Council for discrimination. In that case she got exemplary damages, which is pretty rare and happens only when the defendant has behaved very badly indeed.

    We are talking about accountability. Well here we have an example. This was not about someone acting in good faith and getting the law wrong. This was someone who suborned an organisation's purposes, showed no regard for rape victims, deliberately ignored the law and set out to destroy a woman's career because she dared disagree with him. He and the rest of the senior management responsible for this fiasco should resign. And, if not be sacked.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,618

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
    I am no big fan of the current iteration of the Labour Party, but on this I am with them all the way.

    Excuse me for a moment whilst I look for my tiny violin.
    Or, as someone said, with some adaptions, about a different sector of education,

    Tough shit, people want tax benefits for independent schools to end.


    If their business model isn't sustainable without VAT exemption then they'll have to change their business model to one that can succeed.


    As I've said before, I'm sure plenty of state schools would be happy to advise on how to cut costs. Or is that just for other people's schools?

    Yes, this sucks for the children, parents and staff involved. Welcome to the world the 93 percent live in l.
    State schools get taxpayer subsidy regardless of their performance, unless their rolls completely collapse the worst that will happen is they get converted to an academy, they won't go out of business
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,440

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,919

    Tres said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Labour????
    Yep, the same way people like Leanne Mohamad are blaming Wes Streeting and Labour for UK policy towards Israel-Palestine.
    Streeting must be conducting the longest Prime-ministerial campaign ever. Portillo-like, but with fewer telephones I imagine.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242
    edited May 20
    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 19,194
    edited May 20
    Following up on my mention of a vid wrt Darlington Council earlier, I wonder if it is actually on topic for this thread.

    The Activist-turned-Councillor is speaking about practical ways to get things done, and the blocks that exist in the setup of the Council (Darlington is a Unitary which has been big Labour majority pretty much forever).

    Salient points are timidity and one-track policy approved by "noted" rubber stamp - officers get conditioned to deliver what dominant Councillors want, and options are not considered. Just one proposal may be in a report, and the "Scrutiny Committee" is weighted by no of Councillors so is auto-compliant to the majority will.

    And use of neglected democratic structures by the public - eg the right attend and ask questions at meetings.

    And the ability for the system to be manipulated. One example - a proposal put forwarded with an evidence base not even considered at scrutiny committee, then when the portfolio holder was challenged directly with being held to account, they rewrote the outcomes on the spot with no consultations with Councillors. The possibility that that can happen like that is worrying to me.

    Plus a good question session.

    Now I need to reflect on Ashfield, which is as Ashfield Independent as Manchester is Labour.

    https://youtu.be/nw_gBxUx_ss?t=593
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 15,011
    HYUFD said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
    I am no big fan of the current iteration of the Labour Party, but on this I am with them all the way.

    Excuse me for a moment whilst I look for my tiny violin.
    Or, as someone said, with some adaptions, about a different sector of education,

    Tough shit, people want tax benefits for independent schools to end.


    If their business model isn't sustainable without VAT exemption then they'll have to change their business model to one that can succeed.


    As I've said before, I'm sure plenty of state schools would be happy to advise on how to cut costs. Or is that just for other people's schools?

    Yes, this sucks for the children, parents and staff involved. Welcome to the world the 93 percent live in l.
    State schools get taxpayer subsidy regardless of their performance, unless their rolls completely collapse the worst that will happen is they get converted to an academy, they won't go out of business
    That's not really true, though.

    The building will survive, because you need somewhere to teach the children involved. But a new head/deputy etc will almost always be brought in, and the sponsoring academy trust will take over from the previous governors.

    If we're talking about it in business terms, it's a different business in the same premises with the same customers.

    (Credentials: serving as a governor for a school in limbo between the terrible Ofsted report and a MAT takeover.)
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,919
    edited May 20
    HYUFD said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
    I am no big fan of the current iteration of the Labour Party, but on this I am with them all the way.

    Excuse me for a moment whilst I look for my tiny violin.
    Or, as someone said, with some adaptions, about a different sector of education,

    Tough shit, people want tax benefits for independent schools to end.


    If their business model isn't sustainable without VAT exemption then they'll have to change their business model to one that can succeed.


    As I've said before, I'm sure plenty of state schools would be happy to advise on how to cut costs. Or is that just for other people's schools?

    Yes, this sucks for the children, parents and staff involved. Welcome to the world the 93 percent live in l.
    State schools get taxpayer subsidy regardless of their performance, unless their rolls completely collapse the worst that will happen is they get converted to an academy, they won't go out of business
    Indeed. Non-state schools are facing a huge hurdle to start with.

    State education should be taxed as a benefit to the parents.

    Edit: And that's to make it so that they realise they're paying. Free things are often shit. The same applies to the NHS.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,330

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    The Guardian published this today which covered a lot of the arguments against the policy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/20/vat-private-schools-labour-low-income-kids-tax-bursaries
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,252
    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    Thing is, the very same Tories bemoaning how VAT on school fees is going to decimate the private school sector are shrugging their shoulders and saying “tough shit, people want less migration” when told of the troubles facing universities due to this government u- turning on its own policy.

    You can’t say tough shit to one part of the education sector and start crying about another part, just because the party proposing the policy is different.

    I’m one of the unfortunate parents who’ll have to be stumping up more for school fees but I really can’t see a powerful defence for a tax subsidy to the sector when state provision is so starved of funds.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,868
    Taz said:

    Biden going with 'outrageous' for the ICC. If the Yanks go tonto it might scupper the good ship International Crim Court

    If all the ICC is going to be is a court to prosecute warlords from developing nations and east Europeans then it may would be better off doing that.
    Quite.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,868
    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    Thing is, the very same Tories bemoaning how VAT on school fees is going to decimate the private school sector are shrugging their shoulders and saying “tough shit, people want less migration” when told of the troubles facing universities due to this government u- turning on its own policy.

    You can’t say tough shit to one part of the education sector and start crying about another part, just because the party proposing the policy is different.

    I’m one of the unfortunate parents who’ll have to be stumping up more for school fees but I really can’t see a powerful defence for a tax subsidy to the sector when state provision is so starved of funds.
    It is inaccurate to call the absence of a tax 'a tax subsidy'. The Government should be the one defending its right to its pound of flesh, not the other way around.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,029
    boulay said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    The Guardian published this today which covered a lot of the arguments against the policy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/20/vat-private-schools-labour-low-income-kids-tax-bursaries
    "And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year."

    How do they know? I'm genuinely curious.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,062
    HYUFD said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
    I am no big fan of the current iteration of the Labour Party, but on this I am with them all the way.

    Excuse me for a moment whilst I look for my tiny violin.
    Or, as someone said, with some adaptions, about a different sector of education,

    Tough shit, people want tax benefits for independent schools to end.


    If their business model isn't sustainable without VAT exemption then they'll have to change their business model to one that can succeed.


    As I've said before, I'm sure plenty of state schools would be happy to advise on how to cut costs. Or is that just for other people's schools?

    Yes, this sucks for the children, parents and staff involved. Welcome to the world the 93 percent live in l.
    State schools get taxpayer subsidy regardless of their performance, unless their rolls completely collapse the worst that will happen is they get converted to an academy, they won't go out of business
    To be fair, being taken over by Oasis or Ark would be considerably worse than going out of business.

    Or indeed being boiled alive or buggered to death with a red hot poker.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,440
    Cyclefree said:

    ...He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India...

    I did not know that: apologies.
    Cyclefree said:

    ...He was legally and biologically a man...

    You may recall my deprecation of the term "biological male" due to its ambiguity: are we talking genetically or genitals? (that's not a question to you btw, more an observation). JK Rowling uses the phrase "enpenised" to avoid this, although it's not universally used.
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    RattersRatters Posts: 862

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    I thought pushy parents generally helped to improve schools in aggregate?
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,918

    Taz said:

    Crooner Frank Ifield, he of ‘She taught me how to Yodel’ and ‘I remember you’ has gone to join Cpt Tom, Nana and the Angles.

    https://x.com/superstar_cars/status/1792616455747363290?s=61

    I remember hi….im.
    One of the least likely but true facts about my life is that I saw Frank Ifield live at the London Palladium in the early 1960s. My older sister idolised him and I tagged along.
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    pingping Posts: 3,768
    edited May 20
    Well done Sunak & Hunt.

    & TM. & a few other unlikely heroes from the 70's & 80's who pop up in the depths of the report.

    It's not going to win you any votes. And it's a disaster for the public finances.

    But it's the right thing to do. I'm proud of ye.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,330

    boulay said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    The Guardian published this today which covered a lot of the arguments against the policy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/20/vat-private-schools-labour-low-income-kids-tax-bursaries
    "And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year."

    How do they know? I'm genuinely curious.
    Maybe a large number of parents have served notice that they need to cancel their places from September and that number and the resultant fees makes the school unviable as a business. They might be already short of pupils so they don’t even have a nice waiting list to make up for the departing kids/fees.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,919
    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    Crooner Frank Ifield, he of ‘She taught me how to Yodel’ and ‘I remember you’ has gone to join Cpt Tom, Nana and the Angles.

    https://x.com/superstar_cars/status/1792616455747363290?s=61

    I remember hi….im.
    One of the least likely but true facts about my life is that I saw Frank Ifield live at the London Palladium in the early 1960s. My older sister idolised him and I tagged along.
    You need to get out more! My list of 'least likely but true' is a trail of catastrophe and misadventure beyond all reason.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,196
    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    ...It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job...
    You may have left out an important detail there.

    No. I don't think so. He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India. He was legally and biologically a man. The post was reserved for women - lawfully - under the Equality Act. He cheated. He was a mate of Nicola's. His partner got a £1.4 million contract for something or other. And he got put into various bodies with which the SNP was consulting and said all the things the SNP wanted to hear.

    The judgment is damning. I have read all 109 pages. My fellow lawyer in the LegalFeminists was the barrister who acted for the complainant. She also won the recent case brought by Rachel Meade against Social Work England, the regulator and Westminster City Council for discrimination. In that case she got exemplary damages, which is pretty rare and happens only when the defendant has behaved very badly indeed.

    We are talking about accountability. Well here we have an example. This was not about someone acting in good faith and getting the law wrong. This was someone who suborned an organisation's purposes, showed no regard for rape victims, deliberately ignored the law and set out to destroy a woman's career because she dared disagree with him. He and the rest of the senior management responsible for this fiasco should resign. And, if not be sacked.

    It's just more weird, bee in the bonnet, traaaaaaaaaans stuff again, which I really don't want to engage with. Many of my IRL friends are trans or gender nonconforming, and they are all good eggs.

    I don't want to get dragged into the mud of the argument, but one thing I've always felt is how fash-adjacent TERF ideology is. Note the people eagerly rallying around JK Wizardstick these days. "Men should be men and women should be women" is one step away from "and women should get back to the kitchen" which is why I find *trans exclusionary* feminism so odd.

    But as I say, I don't want to turn this into another trans thread. I just want trans people to be allowed to get on with their lives.

    I know there are those saying 'trans is political' but most trans people I know aren't, and just want to live their lives without their bodies being turned into another outpost of the culture war.

    Again as I said the other day, I won't engage in endless trans debate, but if trans or gender nonconforming people are reading this thread, know that there are people who support you. You are valid.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,030

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    Thing is, the very same Tories bemoaning how VAT on school fees is going to decimate the private school sector are shrugging their shoulders and saying “tough shit, people want less migration” when told of the troubles facing universities due to this government u- turning on its own policy.

    You can’t say tough shit to one part of the education sector and start crying about another part, just because the party proposing the policy is different.

    I’m one of the unfortunate parents who’ll have to be stumping up more for school fees but I really can’t see a powerful defence for a tax subsidy to the sector when state provision is so starved of funds.
    It is inaccurate to call the absence of a tax 'a tax subsidy'. The Government should be the one defending its right to its pound of flesh, not the other way around.
    VAT is charged on all services except where explicitly exempt, or where the provider is below the VAT registration threshold. If you pay for driving lessons, you will pay VAT.

    As someone who has often criticised the status of education in Britain, and bemoaned the poor performance, relative to other countries, it's not obvious to me that the government shouldn't be encouraging private spending on education by providing a tax exemption.

    I categorise the policy as displacement activity.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,330
    Has anyone else tried to watch the new imagining of Rebus on the BBC? It’s just generic gangsters/ tortured ex soldier cop shit. Keep waiting for Ken Stott to turn up and save it.

    Incidentally he was in Irvine Welsh’s crime series with Dougray Scott which knocks this Rebus into a cocked hat.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,401
    edited May 20
    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    Thing is, the very same Tories bemoaning how VAT on school fees is going to decimate the private school sector are shrugging their shoulders and saying “tough shit, people want less migration” when told of the troubles facing universities due to this government u- turning on its own policy.

    You can’t say tough shit to one part of the education sector and start crying about another part, just because the party proposing the policy is different.

    I’m one of the unfortunate parents who’ll have to be stumping up more for school fees but I really can’t see a powerful defence for a tax subsidy to the sector when state provision is so starved of funds.
    I am sorry that CR has to find new schools for his kids. I hope he finds a good one and that it is a state school which he is pleased to find is not the cesspit of depravity of his imagination.

    I find it hard to believe the primary reason for the closure is a budget change that hasn't yet been brought in by a government not yet elected. I don't have strong feelings either way on this as an issue myself and am not going to vote Labour.

    It is worth recalling his comment yesterday though, on the subject of the financial crisis about to hit many Universities, which are also major employers and critical to the life of many towns:

    .

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Glen O'Hara
    @gsoh31
    ·
    1h
    Student visas are already down nearly 30%, and I would say between 10 and 20 universities are going to get into deep trouble. Another 10 to 20 will follow rapidly. Imagine sending a further signal that you want the numbers down... (1/2)

    https://x.com/gsoh31/status/1792131030658269402

    In any country that wants a future the first job of education is to do the absolute best for that country's young people in every possible respect. Everything else comes second and third.

    The signals sent out to UK young people who find that there are places available at elite institutions for international students but not for them (this happens all the time) is truly dreadful. This is pure intellectual and cultural suicide and academic prostitution, and demeans our generally very good top universities.

    And the signals sent out to millions of good young people by underfunding and underrating local FE vocational provision - which matters just as much as Oxford and Cambridge - is even worse.
    Not how it works. Lucrative foreign students cross subsidise domestic students. Without them there would either be higher tuition fees or fewer places. Or both.

    The Tories are arguing their issue is with lesser universities (ie the ones they didn’t go to), not the “elite institutions”.
    They want these ‘lesser universities’ to fail so our uppity working classes lose their opportunity for further education, leaving their crumbling home towns and broadening their minds, and all become once again insular, parochial manual labourers.

    Banging the immigrant drum, if successful, helpfully destroys the former polys that so many working class kids attend.
    That’s of course until they realise there’s one of those uppity institutions in their own marginal constituency and they’re asked by local radio if they want it to close.
    See, for example, this thread on Teesside University, since Simon Clarke is one of the MPs to have jumped on this.

    https://twitter.com/jonathansimons/status/1791815764841820516

    Lots of local students going into local industries and public services, cross-subsidised by international fees.
    Tough shit, people want migration brought under control.

    If their business model isn't sustainable without huge numbers of foreign students coming in then they'll have to change their business model to one that can succeed in the domestic market.


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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ...He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India...

    I did not know that: apologies.
    Cyclefree said:

    ...He was legally and biologically a man...

    You may recall my deprecation of the term "biological male" due to its ambiguity: are we talking genetically or genitals? (that's not a question to you btw, more an observation). JK Rowling uses the phrase "enpenised" to avoid this, although it's not universally used.
    That is why I called him a man. That is what he is. What his internal feelings are or what he wears are irrelevant.

    It is his conduct which was to launch a campaign of harassment and discrimination against a woman which was the issue here. Public money is being paid to an organisation which is being led by a man who has publicly stated that he does not care about the law. Damages will also come out of taxpayers' money.

    How can a man who has set about harassing and discriminating against a woman rape counsellor remain in charge of a rape counselling centre?

    This is about good governance, accountability, compliance with the law and not misusing public funds.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242
    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    I thought pushy parents generally helped to improve schools in aggregate?
    The ultimate example is a school in Hampstead which is very good, and completely free to attend. You just need to spend £3 million on a house to be in catchment area.

    Though to be fair, some live on servants do get to send their children there.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,252
    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    Thing is, the very same Tories bemoaning how VAT on school fees is going to decimate the private school sector are shrugging their shoulders and saying “tough shit, people want less migration” when told of the troubles facing universities due to this government u- turning on its own policy.

    You can’t say tough shit to one part of the education sector and start crying about another part, just because the party proposing the policy is different.

    I’m one of the unfortunate parents who’ll have to be stumping up more for school fees but I really can’t see a powerful defence for a tax subsidy to the sector when state provision is so starved of funds.
    I am sorry that CR has to find new schools for his kids. I hope he finds a good one and that it is a state school which he is pleased to find is not the cesspit of depravity of his imagination.

    I find it hard to believe the primary reason for the closure is a budget change that hasn't yet been brought in by a government not yet elected. I don't have strong feelings either way on this as an issue myself and am not going to vote Labour.

    It is worth recalling his comment yesterday though, on the subject of the financial crisis about to hit many Universities, which are also major employers and critical to the life of many towns:

    .

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Glen O'Hara
    @gsoh31
    ·
    1h
    Student visas are already down nearly 30%, and I would say between 10 and 20 universities are going to get into deep trouble. Another 10 to 20 will follow rapidly. Imagine sending a further signal that you want the numbers down... (1/2)

    https://x.com/gsoh31/status/1792131030658269402

    In any country that wants a future the first job of education is to do the absolute best for that country's young people in every possible respect. Everything else comes second and third.

    The signals sent out to UK young people who find that there are places available at elite institutions for international students but not for them (this happens all the time) is truly dreadful. This is pure intellectual and cultural suicide and academic prostitution, and demeans our generally very good top universities.

    And the signals sent out to millions of good young people by underfunding and underrating local FE vocational provision - which matters just as much as Oxford and Cambridge - is even worse.
    Not how it works. Lucrative foreign students cross subsidise domestic students. Without them there would either be higher tuition fees or fewer places. Or both.

    The Tories are arguing their issue is with lesser universities (ie the ones they didn’t go to), not the “elite institutions”.
    They want these ‘lesser universities’ to fail so our uppity working classes lose their opportunity for further education, leaving their crumbling home towns and broadening their minds, and all become once again insular, parochial manual labourers.

    Banging the immigrant drum, if successful, helpfully destroys the former polys that so many working class kids attend.
    That’s of course until they realise there’s one of those uppity institutions in their own marginal constituency and they’re asked by local radio if they want it to close.
    See, for example, this thread on Teesside University, since Simon Clarke is one of the MPs to have jumped on this.

    https://twitter.com/jonathansimons/status/1791815764841820516

    Lots of local students going into local industries and public services, cross-subsidised by international fees.
    Tough shit, people want migration brought under control.

    If their business model isn't sustainable without huge numbers of foreign students coming in then they'll have to change their business model to one that can succeed in the domestic market.
    That was my point. I’d have thought someone on the sharp end of a struggling educational establishment would have more sympathy for other struggling educational establishments.

    I’m not hugely excited either way by the private schools VAT policy, other than the annoying fact it’s going to make a dent in my bank balance. It’s the foxhunting ban of this Labour manifesto.
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    pingping Posts: 3,768
    ping said:

    Well done Sunak & Hunt.

    & TM. & a few other unlikely heroes from the 70's & 80's who pop up in the depths of the report.

    It's not going to win you any votes. And it's a disaster for the public finances.

    But it's the right thing to do. I'm proud of ye.

    Oh and credit to the journos who never let the story die.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,942
    boulay said:

    Has anyone else tried to watch the new imagining of Rebus on the BBC?

    Given how hard it apparently is to take the written word and put it on screen, I have new found respect for the Bond franchise.

    This is the 3rd attempt at Rebus. The first was tragically miscast, but well produced. The second had a brilliant cast, but was done on the cheap.

    Like Reacher.

    The first attempts were big budget Hollywood movies, with a gnome playing the lead. Amazon got the casting better, and Season 1 was great. Season 2 is garbage.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,492

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    Good. Things only seem to change when a certain class of people start having problems. The Conservatives might not have shafted state schooling and FE colleges if they thought it would affect people like them.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,252
    edited May 20

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    I thought pushy parents generally helped to improve schools in aggregate?
    The ultimate example is a school in Hampstead which is very good, and completely free to attend. You just need to spend £3 million on a house to be in catchment area.

    Though to be fair, some live on servants do get to send their children there.
    There are schools that have no catchment area and select on a comprehensive basis by putting all applicants through an entrance test then selecting a 5th of pupils from each of the 5 quintiles in the distribution. In theory that ensures a completely mixed ability school with no geographical gaming possible.

    One school round here does that - Kingsdale in Dulwich - though they then rather undermine things by having a scholarship system that allows good musicians, sports players or artists to go up the list.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    Good. Things only seem to change when a certain class of people start having problems. The Conservatives might not have shafted state schooling and FE colleges if they thought it would affect people like them.
    The people being pushed out will be the people who are not of “a certain class”

    See the complaints about how the best of the Free Schools have been “hijacked” by middle class parents.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,638
    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,401
    edited May 20
    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    I thought pushy parents generally helped to improve schools in aggregate?
    They do indeed. Pushy parents wanting high academic standards are necessary to any school wanting results. They may well be just the tonic that these schools need.

    Though I don't imagine the state primary schools of NE Hampshire are lacking in active parents already.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,252

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242
    TimS said:

    Ratters said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    PM Starmer has a lot to answer for. Chuck him out!
    You'll forgive me if I don't see the funny side: lots of staff I know personally will now lose their jobs, and my children will need to find another school. It's going to be deeply distressing for a lot of people. We are all very upset.

    These are the sorts of little people and schools that are already getting hit by the policy. Not the Etons, not the Winchesters; the little guy; the little independent charitable trusts at the heart of local communities. And the policy is specifically cited as the key factor making the school unviable for the next academic year. And, yes, this real bastard of a real policy is already having an effect in the real world. Almost all those children will now decant into local state schools, at significant extra cost to the taxpayer.

    I will log-off for the rest of the evening. I'm very upset and I suspect if I stay I will say something I regret.
    If it helps, @Casino_Royale , I think the Labour party policy on private schools is vindictive and reflexive. You will recall my rant about how the two parties are effectively adrift at the moment, thrashing around without an underlying theory of the world and how to govern. This is an example of that. I am getting more lefty as I age but unnecessary cruelty is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure there's a Pratchett quote about that.
    As I said up thread, the fun will be in a year or twos time as the wave of “pushy parents”, “taking all the places” at the good state schools happens.
    I thought pushy parents generally helped to improve schools in aggregate?
    The ultimate example is a school in Hampstead which is very good, and completely free to attend. You just need to spend £3 million on a house to be in catchment area.

    Though to be fair, some live on servants do get to send their children there.
    There are schools that have no catchment area and select on a comprehensive basis by putting all applicants through an entrance test then selecting a 5th of pupils from each of the 5 quintiles in the distribution. In theory that ensures a completely mixed ability school with no geographical gaming possible.

    One school round here does that - Kingsdale in Dulwich - though they then rather undermine things by having a scholarship system that allows good musicians, sports players or artists to go up the list.
    I look forward to the policies to correct the fallout from the policies to correct the fallout of this policy.

    https://youtu.be/LAf0QnLFS7Q?si=7RnFiqVu-7WrxX1O
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,520
    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ...He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India...

    I did not know that: apologies.
    Cyclefree said:

    ...He was legally and biologically a man...

    You may recall my deprecation of the term "biological male" due to its ambiguity: are we talking genetically or genitals? (that's not a question to you btw, more an observation). JK Rowling uses the phrase "enpenised" to avoid this, although it's not universally used.
    That is why I called him a man. That is what he is. What his internal feelings are or what he wears are irrelevant.

    It is his conduct which was to launch a campaign of harassment and discrimination against a woman which was the issue here. Public money is being paid to an organisation which is being led by a man who has publicly stated that he does not care about the law. Damages will also come out of taxpayers' money.

    How can a man who has set about harassing and discriminating against a woman rape counsellor remain in charge of a rape counselling centre?

    This is about good governance, accountability, compliance with the law and not misusing public funds.
    The odd thing is, not knowing anything about this before today; the campaign of harassment appears to be against her.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    There is now quite a body of law in which women have won cases for discrimination and/or harassment because they did not subscribe to gender ideology and exercised their rights to think for themselves and manifest those beliefs.

    Maya Forstater
    Allison Bailey
    Denise Fahmy
    Shahrar Ali
    Rachel Meade
    Roz Adams

    What is notable is that the defendants have been a think tank, a barrister's chambers, an arts quango, a political party, a professional regulator, a local authority and a rape crisis centre.

    Something is going badly wrong when bodies run by apparently senior highly educated managers working in the fields of policy, law and public administration behave so badly, get the law wrong and embark on cases causing great stress to litigants, irrecoverable costs, wasted time and wasted taxpayer money.

    Perhaps there is something flawed in what they so confidently claim. Perhaps they might learn from the inquiries we have been discussing, realise they have made mistakes, learn from them and change their behaviour.

    Perhaps.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,042
    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    ...It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job...
    You may have left out an important detail there.

    No. I don't think so. He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India. He was legally and biologically a man. The post was reserved for women - lawfully - under the Equality Act. He cheated. He was a mate of Nicola's. His partner got a £1.4 million contract for something or other. And he got put into various bodies with which the SNP was consulting and said all the things the SNP wanted to hear.

    The judgment is damning. I have read all 109 pages. My fellow lawyer in the LegalFeminists was the barrister who acted for the complainant. She also won the recent case brought by Rachel Meade against Social Work England, the regulator and Westminster City Council for discrimination. In that case she got exemplary damages, which is pretty rare and happens only when the defendant has behaved very badly indeed.

    We are talking about accountability. Well here we have an example. This was not about someone acting in good faith and getting the law wrong. This was someone who suborned an organisation's purposes, showed no regard for rape victims, deliberately ignored the law and set out to destroy a woman's career because she dared disagree with him. He and the rest of the senior management responsible for this fiasco should resign. And, if not be sacked.

    It's just more weird, bee in the bonnet, traaaaaaaaaans stuff again
    So women's rights, the treatment of rape victims and a withering judgment by an Employment Tribunal of the actions of a male leader of a female only Rape Crisis center are "bee in the bonnet" stuff?

    While you're clearly insufficiently interested to read up on the actual case, this might help inform you:

    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre conducted a “heresy hunt” against an employee who believes sex matters for rape victims. An employment tribunal has found it unlawfully harassed and constructively dismissed her via a disciplinary process “reminiscent of the work of Franz Kafka”.

    When Roz Adams joined the Centre in 2021 she was enthusiastic about trans inclusion. She holds what the Tribunal described as “generally trans positive but also sex realist” views: that gender identity is important to some people and that they should be treated with dignity and respect, but that sometimes sex matters, particularly in a rape crisis centre.


    Being "pro-women" or "rape victims" is not synonymous with being "anti-trans" - but as the Adams case proves, the reverse is not always true.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,784
    edited May 20
    TimS said:

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
    Why is the capitalisation of deaf optional?

    And whoever coined the term 'global majority' clearly doesn't know what a majority is.
    And I'm not sure what the job is, but there's not many jobs which encourage applications from people without formal education.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,242
    TimS said:

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
    Sounds like much of the Post Office management should apply.

    - they claim to work for a living (working class)
    - Definitely criminal class
    - sucking of the public teat (benefit class)
    - They definitely have less class than say, pimps or drug dealers. Which makes them pretty underclass, I reckon.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,670
    On the private schools thing. On a personal level it is clearly awful for the staff, the current students and likely many of the alumni.

    But, the prevailing view of the class who use private schools is that businesses need to stand on their own feet. If charging VAT like any other service business makes it unviable then surely that is the very same capitalism they eulogise.

    As for blaming Labour, puhlease. Who is the government?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 32,360
    edited May 20

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    That's a spoof surely? If not, who is the employer?

    Edit: I see it's for real. Camden People's Theatre.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,042
    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    ...It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job...
    You may have left out an important detail there.

    No. I don't think so. He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India. He was legally and biologically a man. The post was reserved for women - lawfully - under the Equality Act. He cheated. He was a mate of Nicola's. His partner got a £1.4 million contract for something or other. And he got put into various bodies with which the SNP was consulting and said all the things the SNP wanted to hear.

    The judgment is damning. I have read all 109 pages. My fellow lawyer in the LegalFeminists was the barrister who acted for the complainant. She also won the recent case brought by Rachel Meade against Social Work England, the regulator and Westminster City Council for discrimination. In that case she got exemplary damages, which is pretty rare and happens only when the defendant has behaved very badly indeed.

    We are talking about accountability. Well here we have an example. This was not about someone acting in good faith and getting the law wrong. This was someone who suborned an organisation's purposes, showed no regard for rape victims, deliberately ignored the law and set out to destroy a woman's career because she dared disagree with him. He and the rest of the senior management responsible for this fiasco should resign. And, if not be sacked.

    I just want trans people to be allowed to get on with their lives.
    But not rape victims who should "reframe their trauma" unquote - said by the man who ran the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Center, after lying to get the job.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,638

    TimS said:

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
    Sounds like much of the Post Office management should apply.

    - they claim to work for a living (working class)
    - Definitely criminal class
    - sucking of the public teat (benefit class)
    - They definitely have less class than say, pimps or drug dealers. Which makes them pretty underclass, I reckon.
    A new CEO job for Vennells:

    https://cptheatre.co.uk/Jobs/Vacancy-Artistic-Director-Joint-CEO
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,992
    edited May 20

    HYUFD said:

    I've just received a letter from the Trustees and Headmaster of my local indepeneent school this evening. It will be closing from September this year. The charity is no longer viable. It's been in the community for 86 years. We're in shock, along with all the other parents and families, but it's the staff I really feel for many of whom have worked there for decades.

    Thanks Labour.

    Look I am hardly Labours biggest fan but why is it them you are blaming?
    Casino isn’t - the school is - see subsequent post.

    I suspect in many cases it’s not the whole story, but it doesn’t take much to push a struggling business over the edge - they may well have seen future enrolment fall in anticipation of a 20% rise in fees.
    I am no big fan of the current iteration of the Labour Party, but on this I am with them all the way.

    Excuse me for a moment whilst I look for my tiny violin.
    Or, as someone said, with some adaptions, about a different sector of education,

    Tough shit, people want tax benefits for independent schools to end.


    If their business model isn't sustainable without VAT exemption then they'll have to change their business model to one that can succeed.


    As I've said before, I'm sure plenty of state schools would be happy to advise on how to cut costs. Or is that just for other people's schools?

    Yes, this sucks for the children, parents and staff involved. Welcome to the world the 93 percent live in l.
    State schools get taxpayer subsidy regardless of their performance, unless their rolls completely collapse the worst that will happen is they get converted to an academy, they won't go out of business
    That's not really true, though.

    The building will survive, because you need somewhere to teach the children involved. But a new head/deputy etc will almost always be brought in, and the sponsoring academy trust will take over from the previous governors.

    If we're talking about it in business terms, it's a different business in the same premises with the same customers.

    (Credentials: serving as a governor for a school in limbo between the terrible Ofsted report and a MAT takeover.)
    Not just the same customers. It's a different business in the same premises with the same customers and the same staff. And, probably, the same governors. (I'm intrigued by your comment about the MAT taking over from the governors - in the two schools I have direct experience of, the governors stayed put from LA to MAT, more's the pity.)

    The primary in our little town is about to have its fifth head in five years, despite it being an LA school five years ago and a MAT school now, and despite having gone through the Good/Inadequate/Good dance during that time.

    Is it a different business? I guess they hired someone who knows how to fill in safeguarding paperwork to Ofsted's satisfaction, which is what they failed on previously. So that's a difference.

    I still wouldn't (and didn't) send my kid there, because the place is a shambles.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,638
    edited May 20

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    That's a spoof surely? If not, who is the employer?
    Not a spoof:

    https://cptheatre.co.uk/Jobs/Vacancy-Artistic-Director-Joint-CEO
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,401
    TimS said:

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
    I note no linkage to the original advert, or description of what the job is.

    I will keep the outrage bus on idle until we see some evidence that this is actually a true advert.

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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    ...It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job...
    You may have left out an important detail there.

    No. I don't think so. He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India. He was legally and biologically a man. The post was reserved for women - lawfully - under the Equality Act. He cheated. He was a mate of Nicola's. His partner got a £1.4 million contract for something or other. And he got put into various bodies with which the SNP was consulting and said all the things the SNP wanted to hear.

    The judgment is damning. I have read all 109 pages. My fellow lawyer in the LegalFeminists was the barrister who acted for the complainant. She also won the recent case brought by Rachel Meade against Social Work England, the regulator and Westminster City Council for discrimination. In that case she got exemplary damages, which is pretty rare and happens only when the defendant has behaved very badly indeed.

    We are talking about accountability. Well here we have an example. This was not about someone acting in good faith and getting the law wrong. This was someone who suborned an organisation's purposes, showed no regard for rape victims, deliberately ignored the law and set out to destroy a woman's career because she dared disagree with him. He and the rest of the senior management responsible for this fiasco should resign. And, if not be sacked.

    It's just more weird, bee in the bonnet, traaaaaaaaaans stuff again, which I really don't want to engage with. Many of my IRL friends are trans or gender nonconforming, and they are all good eggs.

    I don't want to get dragged into the mud of the argument, but one thing I've always felt is how fash-adjacent TERF ideology is. Note the people eagerly rallying around JK Wizardstick these days. "Men should be men and women should be women" is one step away from "and women should get back to the kitchen" which is why I find *trans exclusionary* feminism so odd.

    But as I say, I don't want to turn this into another trans thread. I just want trans people to be allowed to get on with their lives.

    I know there are those saying 'trans is political' but most trans people I know aren't, and just want to live their lives without their bodies being turned into another outpost of the culture war.

    Again as I said the other day, I won't engage in endless trans debate, but if trans or gender nonconforming people are reading this thread, know that there are people who support you. You are valid.
    But rape victims aren't valid to you. You won't say you support them. Or women who have been harassed and discriminated against.

    You are despicable.



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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ...He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India...

    I did not know that: apologies.
    Cyclefree said:

    ...He was legally and biologically a man...

    You may recall my deprecation of the term "biological male" due to its ambiguity: are we talking genetically or genitals? (that's not a question to you btw, more an observation). JK Rowling uses the phrase "enpenised" to avoid this, although it's not universally used.
    That is why I called him a man. That is what he is. What his internal feelings are or what he wears are irrelevant.

    It is his conduct which was to launch a campaign of harassment and discrimination against a woman which was the issue here. Public money is being paid to an organisation which is being led by a man who has publicly stated that he does not care about the law. Damages will also come out of taxpayers' money.

    How can a man who has set about harassing and discriminating against a woman rape counsellor remain in charge of a rape counselling centre?

    This is about good governance, accountability, compliance with the law and not misusing public funds.
    The odd thing is, not knowing anything about this before today; the campaign of harassment appears to be against her.
    Have you even read the judgment?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,556
    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
    Why is the capitalisation of deaf optional?

    And whoever coined the term 'global majority' clearly doesn't know what a majority is.
    And I'm not sure what the job is, but there's not many jobs which encourage applications from people without formal education.
    Because Deaf is a specific community of pre-lingually deaf whose first language tends to be BSL, whereas deaf means can't hear well. A very substantial difference, with considerable practical implications. Putting both options in is at least clear and explicit to those familiar with the issue. And those who aren't won't be d/Deaf anyway so it doesn't matter what they think.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,196
    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    (Yet) another win for the sex realists:

    Excellent by ⁦@michaelpforan
    ⁩ on the failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre- where a male CEO unlawfully harassed, discriminated against & sacked a female employee in name of gender ideology

    Why Roz Adams won | Michael Foran | The Critic Magazine


    https://thecritic.co.uk/why-roz-adams-won/

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1792565706208280704

    I really do wonder why you're so obsessed with this. Don't you live in Jersey or Guernsey where the trans population is basically zero?

    It comes off as weird and obsessive and mean spirited, which is a shame as when you're posting about other stuff you seem like a genuinely nice person.

    ...It was about a charity for rape victims led by a man who cheated his way into his job...
    You may have left out an important detail there.

    No. I don't think so. He claimed to be a woman but he had no GRC either here or in India. He was legally and biologically a man. The post was reserved for women - lawfully - under the Equality Act. He cheated. He was a mate of Nicola's. His partner got a £1.4 million contract for something or other. And he got put into various bodies with which the SNP was consulting and said all the things the SNP wanted to hear.

    The judgment is damning. I have read all 109 pages. My fellow lawyer in the LegalFeminists was the barrister who acted for the complainant. She also won the recent case brought by Rachel Meade against Social Work England, the regulator and Westminster City Council for discrimination. In that case she got exemplary damages, which is pretty rare and happens only when the defendant has behaved very badly indeed.

    We are talking about accountability. Well here we have an example. This was not about someone acting in good faith and getting the law wrong. This was someone who suborned an organisation's purposes, showed no regard for rape victims, deliberately ignored the law and set out to destroy a woman's career because she dared disagree with him. He and the rest of the senior management responsible for this fiasco should resign. And, if not be sacked.

    It's just more weird, bee in the bonnet, traaaaaaaaaans stuff again, which I really don't want to engage with. Many of my IRL friends are trans or gender nonconforming, and they are all good eggs.

    I don't want to get dragged into the mud of the argument, but one thing I've always felt is how fash-adjacent TERF ideology is. Note the people eagerly rallying around JK Wizardstick these days. "Men should be men and women should be women" is one step away from "and women should get back to the kitchen" which is why I find *trans exclusionary* feminism so odd.

    But as I say, I don't want to turn this into another trans thread. I just want trans people to be allowed to get on with their lives.

    I know there are those saying 'trans is political' but most trans people I know aren't, and just want to live their lives without their bodies being turned into another outpost of the culture war.

    Again as I said the other day, I won't engage in endless trans debate, but if trans or gender nonconforming people are reading this thread, know that there are people who support you. You are valid.
    But rape victims aren't valid to you. You won't say you support them. Or women who have been harassed and discriminated against.

    You are despicable.



    And you are exceptionally rude.

    I don't despise you. I pity you.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 32,360
    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

    image

    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
    I note no linkage to the original advert, or description of what the job is.

    I will keep the outrage bus on idle until we see some evidence that this is actually a true advert.

    Yes I thought the same but here it is:

    https://cptheatre.co.uk/Jobs/Vacancy-Artistic-Director-Joint-CEO
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 32,360

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

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    That's a spoof surely? If not, who is the employer?
    Not a spoof:

    https://cptheatre.co.uk/Jobs/Vacancy-Artistic-Director-Joint-CEO
    So I saw. What a bunch of tossers.
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,992

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

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    I saw that. One of the most universally offensive job ads ever.

    Reminds me of Booth’s poverty map of London which had a category “vicious, semi criminal” (covering most of Deptford).
    I note no linkage to the original advert, or description of what the job is.

    I will keep the outrage bus on idle until we see some evidence that this is actually a true advert.

    Yes I thought the same but here it is:

    https://cptheatre.co.uk/Jobs/Vacancy-Artistic-Director-Joint-CEO
    To be fair, if you're the sort of person who bandies around phrases like "political correctness gone mad", you were probably never going to be a shoo-in for the position of Artistic Director of the Camden People's Theatre.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,803

    It's political correctness gone mad:

    https://x.com/amcanning/status/1792512368456487123

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    The criminal class. 😂😂😂😂 east end gangsters and road men will be queueing up to get their applications in for this.

    Global Majority seems to be a pretty new buzzword too.

    I know this is all well intentioned but, dear me.

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