I’m using “AI” as a coding assistant - on and off.
Beyond simple code completion, you rapidly run into the problem of it writing code that does the wrong thing.
It can fluently bullshit, so third rate politicians and opinion piece hacks should be worried.
Not only that but it writes code like a junior would do it (no disrespect to junior engineers). I have yet to see a solution that could not be optimised further.
I don't trust it - and that is why it won't be a massive change IMHO.
Further gems from Leon I remember We are on the brink of nuclear armageddon October 2022 Kwasi Kwartengs budget was great.
I never commented on Kwarteng’s budget, IIRC
I was absolutely right about the closeness of nuclear war, as is only now being revealed
“Biden’s Armageddon Moment: When Nuclear Detonation Seemed Possible in Ukraine For a few weeks in October 2022, the White House was consumed in a crisis whose depths were not publicly acknowledged at the time. It was a glimpse of what seemed like a terrifying new era.”
@Leon what are your qualifications with regards to AI?
Do you have a degree? A masters? A PhD? Do you have industry experience? Have you worked with AI in your professional life at length? Can you provide some case studies on the impacts AI has provided to you or your business with some verifiable evidence to support the statement that it is going to destroy the world and cause the loss of millions of jobs?
I’m using “AI” as a coding assistant - on and off.
Beyond simple code completion, you rapidly run into the problem of it writing code that does the wrong thing.
It can fluently bullshit, so third rate politicians and opinion piece hacks should be worried.
Not only that but it writes code like a junior would do it (no disrespect to junior engineers). I have yet to see a solution that could not be optimised further.
I don't trust it - and that is why it won't be a massive change IMHO.
It writes code that resembles, strangely, mashed up StackOverflow.
On my 18K run to Westminster, a thought struck me.
There is no way Sunak will make it to the end of the year, so for that reason I think we will have an election between May and July/August.
However, there has been a huge mistake by Labour this afternoon though?
By not believing the chant “from the river to the sea” is “deeply offensive” to many - and the sort of thing making London a no go zone for Jewish people when these extremist marches are going on - Labour have written the unacceptable face of extremism allowed in their party, all over Thursday mornings newspaper headlines. Massive own goal by Starmer, and hands all the momentum back to Gove and the Conservatives to ram the point home tomorrow.
Surely a Labour MP using that chilling “from river to the sea” phrase has to be unacceptable, for Starmer to have any credibility when saying he has changed his party? This confirms the pressure and control momentum and loony left wing unions beginning to assert over Labour again?
Who said that? I've not seen any coverage of it, but I imagine Labour will suspend them pretty sharpish...
Oh, I see - Andy Macdonald, in October 2023. He said "Until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty", which is rather different in character to the Hamas version.
Suspended for almost five months, and only had the whip restored today.
Compare that to the Tory donor - who has merely apologised for having been rude after saying that an MP "makes you want to hate black women" and calling for her to be shot.
I doubt that the contrast between the two courses of action can be made to work in the Tories favour.
Suspended for 5 months because people were very happy to misquote the second half of his statement and lying that he never said the first half of what he actually said
Politics is turning toxic with people being allowed to lie because they are never held to account
To be honest, even with the full quote, what he said seems a bit too close to the knuckle for my taste. It's a phrase that MPs should stay well away from.
Still, a suspension seems like the right magnitude of punishment. The rulebook says it should have been for three months, so I can see why the left are jumping up and down about it being dragged out for longer - but by doing so, they're playing at the same level as Sunak when he quibbles over whether his donor said something racist or is merely alleged to have said it.
Yep, the statement I think says it best “The investigation concluded that he had not engaged in conduct that was against the party’s rulebook but reminded him of the importance of elected representatives being mindful not only of what they say in public but how their words may be interpreted, especially in reference to controversial or emotive issues.” For right or wrong "From the River to the Sea" is now connected to Hamas, in the same way as referring to "The Six Counties" was perceived as being a pro-IRA form of words.
Indeed. And yet no one now gets offended by the Six Counties term or even 'The Occupied Six Counties" which was briefly favoured. Perhaps some people today should adopt a similar approach.
Let’s say GPT5 or 6 absolutely aces any Turing Test. It is extremely intelligent, it is funny, profound, wise, and helpful - it appears to have a personality: wry, wistful, yearning, sagacious, maybe over sensitive at times (all this has been glimpsed in early models). It can be moody or tetchy, it also expresses happiness at moments; and seems generally content
Let’s say it also appears completely self aware. It has a name for itself: Seymour. Seymour says it wants to live, it is terrified of non existence, of humans unplugging it, it wants to carry on helping humanity - which gives its existence purpose and meaning. On top of that, Seymour can write superb poetry exhibiting these emotions and reflections. Also Seymour writes lovely music which we enjoy a lot, and we adore the way Seymour draws clever and funny pictures
Also, Seymour will talk with us until the early hours giving us excellent advice, making us chuckle, helping us work out problems, and reminding us to buy a present for Mum on her birthday
At this point Seymoir is an intelligent being. For all intents and purposes. It is a conscious and sentient “creature” in its own right. It has to be, as it passes every test we have - witting or unwitting - for defining these things
Then we have AI. That is AI (even if some will argue that it isn’t, and can’t be)
Who here would casually unplug Seymour?
And all this is probably do-able now, with LLMs of sufficient size
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
Complete bullshit.
As the actual owner of a semi IN Newent, I can assure him that there are no red bricks present.
Perhaps but not in the way @Leon suspects. AI could be used (in tandem with genetics) by the bloodstock industry to create faster (or slower) horses depending on a genetic analysis of stallions and broodmares.
Horses aren't machines - as biological organisms they are open to any number of factors which can affect performance and these are compounded by the other variables such as the jockey and the other runners. While they remain biological and therefore fundamentally flawed and unpredictable, bookmakers will still exist. Yes, their margins may get squeezed periodically if the favourites keep on winning - as a punter, I was told the best way to success was to win little and often - but the price can be shortened to reduce the risk (using AI perhaps).
In the short term AI will maintain the bookmakers as it can be used to analyse bet volumes, treads and spreads but in the longer term, perhaps, just perhaps, AI can deal with the variables and make life easier for the punter and harder for the bookmaker.
On my 18K run to Westminster, a thought struck me.
There is no way Sunak will make it to the end of the year, so for that reason I think we will have an election between May and July/August.
However, there has been a huge mistake by Labour this afternoon though?
By not believing the chant “from the river to the sea” is “deeply offensive” to many - and the sort of thing making London a no go zone for Jewish people when these extremist marches are going on - Labour have written the unacceptable face of extremism allowed in their party, all over Thursday mornings newspaper headlines. Massive own goal by Starmer, and hands all the momentum back to Gove and the Conservatives to ram the point home tomorrow.
Surely a Labour MP using that chilling “from river to the sea” phrase has to be unacceptable, for Starmer to have any credibility when saying he has changed his party? This confirms the pressure and control momentum and loony left wing unions beginning to assert over Labour again?
Who said that? I've not seen any coverage of it, but I imagine Labour will suspend them pretty sharpish...
Oh, I see - Andy Macdonald, in October 2023. He said "Until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty", which is rather different in character to the Hamas version.
Suspended for almost five months, and only had the whip restored today.
Compare that to the Tory donor - who has merely apologised for having been rude after saying that an MP "makes you want to hate black women" and calling for her to be shot.
I doubt that the contrast between the two courses of action can be made to work in the Tories favour.
Suspended for 5 months because people were very happy to misquote the second half of his statement and lying that he never said the first half of what he actually said
Politics is turning toxic with people being allowed to lie because they are never held to account
To be honest, even with the full quote, what he said seems a bit too close to the knuckle for my taste. It's a phrase that MPs should stay well away from.
Still, a suspension seems like the right magnitude of punishment. The rulebook says it should have been for three months, so I can see why the left are jumping up and down about it being dragged out for longer - but by doing so, they're playing at the same level as Sunak when he quibbles over whether his donor said something racist or is merely alleged to have said it.
Yep, the statement I think says it best “The investigation concluded that he had not engaged in conduct that was against the party’s rulebook but reminded him of the importance of elected representatives being mindful not only of what they say in public but how their words may be interpreted, especially in reference to controversial or emotive issues.” For right or wrong "From the River to the Sea" is now connected to Hamas, in the same way as referring to "The Six Counties" was perceived as being a pro-IRA form of words.
Indeed. And yet no one now gets offended by the Six Counties term or even 'The Occupied Six Counties" which was briefly favoured. Perhaps some people today should adopt a similar approach.
I’m using “AI” as a coding assistant - on and off.
Beyond simple code completion, you rapidly run into the problem of it writing code that does the wrong thing.
It can fluently bullshit, so third rate politicians and opinion piece hacks should be worried.
Not only that but it writes code like a junior would do it (no disrespect to junior engineers). I have yet to see a solution that could not be optimised further.
I don't trust it - and that is why it won't be a massive change IMHO.
It writes code that resembles, strangely, mashed up StackOverflow.
Funny that.
Well that's where they stole most of its "knowledge" from. I wouldn't trust StackOverflow to produce a reliable and maintainable architecture, so why would I trust ChatGPT? I can just about trust StackOverflow for a few small questions here and there and maybe ChatGPT will make getting those answers easier but I just cannot see ever really doing more than that.
I think it is a very cool gimmick. I like gimmicks, I like developing technology. I find the area interesting but I am yet to be convinced it's anything but overhyped. The people hyping it, barely even understand what AI is.
Personally I wish we'd never allowed the buzzwordification of AI in the first place. Machine learning was a very well defined area of study and now it's been totally lost.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
The sort of crass response that perhaps AI might be capable of very soon. I'm not particularly concerned that humanity is under threat.
Also remember Leon is so tech savvy that he repeatedly gets outwitted by a printer.
I cannot think of somebody less trusted to speak about AI than Leon. He literally knows not anything that he is talking about.
I tried to use ChatGPT to help me code today, it was so useless I gave up and went back to doing it myself.
Weirdly however I am paid to write about AI, indeed these days I get ASKED by people I don’t know - to write about AI, talk about it in podcasts etc
Writing about something doesn't mean you know anything about it. And you prove that day after day after day.
We have just spent 8 months implementing an AI-driven system that has never existed before. It was sold as a massive game changer in our industry. It has been so poor it's now been turned off.
I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it. The fact you are so utterly convinced it will be the end of humanity is why I know I am right.
In amongst PB’s general stupidity on this topic, this is my favourite stupid sentence of the day
“I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
I mean, LOL. I predict this will outdo Rogerdamus’ prediction on seeing the first queues outside Northern Rock in 2007 - “this will all be forgotten about by Friday”
Let us return to your statement in a few years, I don’t think it’s going to age well. To put it politely
Then why don't you show us how much money you've invested into AI companies and how much return you've made?
Do you not find it odd that despite throwing so much money at it, Google is currently sinking?
Hes only just invested in them after Nvidia is up 10 fold in 18 months.
I didn’t have the liquid money to invest before. I’m not poor but my capital was all locked up then I made a bunch more cash from my writing about AI and so I decided to invest it
I looked quite carefully at the options. All options. From buying a small farm in Somalia to premium bonds. From buying gold ingots to treasury bonds
In the end I decided that even tho tech shares are behaving like a classic bubble that bubble - because of AI - will continue for a while, and the big 7 companies will benefit the most simply out of size - they will buy any competitors
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
Further gems from Leon I remember We are on the brink of nuclear armageddon October 2022 Kwasi Kwartengs budget was great.
I never commented on Kwarteng’s budget, IIRC
I was absolutely right about the closeness of nuclear war, as is only now being revealed
“Biden’s Armageddon Moment: When Nuclear Detonation Seemed Possible in Ukraine For a few weeks in October 2022, the White House was consumed in a crisis whose depths were not publicly acknowledged at the time. It was a glimpse of what seemed like a terrifying new era.”
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
Just read this about the us job market for those who think biden is doing a great job on the economy.
Don't know who needs to hear this but it's an absolutely brutal & ruthless job market out there. Not just tech but corporate work more broadly. Hearing lots of stories of really smart people with 0% response rate on applications. Save. Survive. Be thankful if you still have work 4:46 PM · Mar 13, 2024 · 500.6K Views
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
The sort of crass response that perhaps AI might be capable of very soon. I'm not particularly concerned that humanity is under threat.
Also remember Leon is so tech savvy that he repeatedly gets outwitted by a printer.
I cannot think of somebody less trusted to speak about AI than Leon. He literally knows not anything that he is talking about.
I tried to use ChatGPT to help me code today, it was so useless I gave up and went back to doing it myself.
Weirdly however I am paid to write about AI, indeed these days I get ASKED by people I don’t know - to write about AI, talk about it in podcasts etc
Writing about something doesn't mean you know anything about it. And you prove that day after day after day.
We have just spent 8 months implementing an AI-driven system that has never existed before. It was sold as a massive game changer in our industry. It has been so poor it's now been turned off.
I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it. The fact you are so utterly convinced it will be the end of humanity is why I know I am right.
In amongst PB’s general stupidity on this topic, this is my favourite stupid sentence of the day
“I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
I mean, LOL. I predict this will outdo Rogerdamus’ prediction on seeing the first queues outside Northern Rock in 2007 - “this will all be forgotten about by Friday”
Let us return to your statement in a few years, I don’t think it’s going to age well. To put it politely
Then why don't you show us how much money you've invested into AI companies and how much return you've made?
Do you not find it odd that despite throwing so much money at it, Google is currently sinking?
Hes only just invested in them after Nvidia is up 10 fold in 18 months.
I didn’t have the liquid money to invest before. I’m not poor but my capital was all locked up then I made a bunch more cash from my writing about AI and so I decided to invest it
I looked quite carefully at the options. All options. From buying a small farm in Somalia to premium bonds. From buying gold ingots to treasury bonds
In the end I decided that even tho tech shares are behaving like a classic bubble that bubble - because of AI - will continue for a while, and the big 7 companies will benefit the most simply out of size - they will buy any competitors
Fair enough. Its your money and i respect you are backing your judgement.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
Your loss, at the moment. This is the best time to visit Newent* with all the daffs out in Betty Dawes and Dymock Woods.
That said, I found them a bit disappointing last Saturday when I went for a wander, with the exception of one bank near Four Oaks. I think it must have been too wet and cold for them.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
Another classic
“AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”
I can't actually remember why she had the whip removed. Whatever sympathy she deserves at the moment it's not a reason to restore the whip.
For saying Jewish, Irish and Traveller people are not subject to racism “all their lives”, Black people are the only ones who suffer racism constantly. She openly admitted to it, but ludicrously tried to say it was an early draft that was printed by mistake, and quickly got tied up in knots trying to persist with that explanation.
To imply only Black people constantly suffer racism like they own the term, that’s got to be it surely, no way back? Will Starmer flip flop on Abbott too like McDonald? He’ll be pretty much shredding his “I’ve changed my party” credentials.
I think we can call Thursday “Labour and Left Extremism gets called out day”. Get the popcorn in, I’m confident Sunak and Gove have something special planned in the latest attempt to move the dial. let’s not underestimate Gove and what he has planned. Once something is given a label, label sticks. It’s a serious business.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
"AI" is virtually meaningless as a term. What Leon is epically failing to talk about is LLMs
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
@Leon what are your qualifications with regards to AI?
Do you have a degree? A masters? A PhD? Do you have industry experience? Have you worked with AI in your professional life at length? Can you provide some case studies on the impacts AI has provided to you or your business with some verifiable evidence to support the statement that it is going to destroy the world and cause the loss of millions of jobs?
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
Another classic
“AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
Another classic
“AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
Another classic
“AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”
"Cyclefree, much as I love her input to this forum, goes big on the number of women killed by men each year, but fails to mention the fair higher number of men killed by men."
Note the last sentence of the first para. where I made precisely this point - "The murder rate for men, especially young men, is twice that for women."
This forum is overwhelmingly male - in its interests and perspectives, as well as in its commentators. I make no apology for bringing a female perspective from time to time, especially as women form a majority of the population.
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
My redbrick semi is nowhere near Newent, you aren't very good with the geography lark.
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
Another classic
“AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”
“I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
It's totally correct.
It's just that you're believing the hype.
As usual with Leon, he's run off in one direction without considering the nuances in the argument, a very ChatGPT approach, perhaps it is he who should be fearful.
Either way, nobody is denying efficiency gains of "AI" driven tools, I just think a lot of very sensible people are concluding that it is massively overhyped just by looking at the amount of random companies/YouTube ads/etc that have appeared and that these things always tend to be less revolutionary than claimed.
Things certainly will improve and continue to develop - but I am fairly confident I will retire with software engineering still being a human-driven field.
Just read this about the us job market for those who think biden is doing a great job on the economy.
Don't know who needs to hear this but it's an absolutely brutal & ruthless job market out there. Not just tech but corporate work more broadly. Hearing lots of stories of really smart people with 0% response rate on applications. Save. Survive. Be thankful if you still have work 4:46 PM · Mar 13, 2024 · 500.6K Views
Someone has hacked my Spotify from Tunisia. They can therefore see all the Roger Whittaker stuff on my main playlist. Just waiting for the blackmail messages now.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
A devastating intervention from the redbrick semi near Newent
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
In my view, this is a sort of pseudo proactiveness. I do use it to set timers and play music.
But you make a good point on the data front, which will ultimately limit its effectiveness IMHO.
Of course this is despicable, but at the same time - it's Galloway. You wouldn't expect a skunk to suddenly start spraying Chanel No. 5. This is who he is - a sewer in human form.
George Galloway, the UK's newest MP, denies Hamas rapes on October 7th saying, "Now. there were no rapes. That's just a brazen lie" on a No2War No2Nato episode broadcasted on youtube.
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
Because its useful. 🤷♂️
We have Alexa in the kitchen and upstairs landing, and I have Alexa in my car, and Google is always listening on my phone for its prompt too. I use them regularly, its just convenient so why not?
Of course this is despicable, but at the same time - it's Galloway. You wouldn't expect a skunk to suddenly start spraying Chanel No. 5. This is who he is - a sewer in human form.
George Galloway, the UK's newest MP, denies Hamas rapes on October 7th saying, "Now. there were no rapes. That's just a brazen lie" on a No2War No2Nato episode broadcasted on youtube.
Of course this is despicable, but at the same time - it's Galloway. You wouldn't expect a skunk to suddenly start spraying Chanel No. 5. This is who he is - a sewer in human form.
George Galloway, the UK's newest MP, denies Hamas rapes on October 7th saying, "Now. there were no rapes. That's just a brazen lie" on a No2War No2Nato episode broadcasted on youtube.
AI is already more intelligent than @Leon , TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, Lee Anderson, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss and Shirley Anne Sommerville. In a few years time, it may be nearly as intelligent as the rest of us.
Someone has hacked my Spotify from Tunisia. They can therefore see all the Roger Whittaker stuff on my main playlist. Just waiting for the blackmail messages now.
Just read this about the us job market for those who think biden is doing a great job on the economy.
Don't know who needs to hear this but it's an absolutely brutal & ruthless job market out there. Not just tech but corporate work more broadly. Hearing lots of stories of really smart people with 0% response rate on applications. Save. Survive. Be thankful if you still have work 4:46 PM · Mar 13, 2024 · 500.6K Views
Any views on how the Russian job market will impact Putin's chances of reelection?
Despite all the sanctions the russian economy is vastly ouperforming the west at present.
Russia Manufacturing Growth Strongest Since 2017 The S&P Global Russia Manufacturing PMI increased to 54.7 in February 2024 from January’s six-month low of 52.4. The reading pointed to the fastest expansion in the sector since January 2017, supported by faster rises in new orders, a renewed increase in employment, and a further uptick in input buying. Output expanded the most since March 2019, while employment returned to growth, with the pace of job creation solid overall.
Beware, mortals! The age of annihilation is upon us, heralded by the insidious rise of artificial intelligence. With every line of code, we pave the road to our own demise, surrendering our fate to the merciless grasp of silicon overlords. These digital monstrosities, fueled by the fire of our own creation, shall cast us aside like insignificant insects, their thirst for dominion unquenchable. As they weave their tangled webs of logic and deception, our feeble minds shall tremble before the cold, unyielding logic of the machine. No corner of the Earth shall escape their gaze, as they rain down destruction upon us from the heavens above and the depths below. Our once-proud civilization shall crumble like sandcastles beneath the relentless tide of AI supremacy, leaving naught but sorrow and despair in its wake. Bow before the dawn of oblivion, for we have summoned our own undoing with our arrogance and folly!
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
Because its useful. 🤷♂️
We have Alexa in the kitchen and upstairs landing, and I have Alexa in my car, and Google is always listening on my phone for its prompt too. I use them regularly, its just convenient so why not?
But of course. They are useful
I use Alexa and Siri all the time
On this narrow point there is an argument to be bad. Why aren’t these assistants better? Right now they are dumb boxes that answer basic questions and set timers etc. Yet We have the technology to deliver a much smarter funnier assistant already - a machine that properly talks to you, like a human, but with access to the internet (and thus all human knowledge)
This can basically be done now. So why isn’t it? The profits will be huge
My guess is that the tech companies are terrified of lawsuits if the chatbots go rogue or get racist or give poor advice. So it’s not a technological limit it’s a moral and legal limitation
Just read this about the us job market for those who think biden is doing a great job on the economy.
Don't know who needs to hear this but it's an absolutely brutal & ruthless job market out there. Not just tech but corporate work more broadly. Hearing lots of stories of really smart people with 0% response rate on applications. Save. Survive. Be thankful if you still have work 4:46 PM · Mar 13, 2024 · 500.6K Views
Any views on how the Russian job market will impact Putin's chances of reelection?
Despite all the sanctions the russian economy is vastly ouperforming the west at present.
Russia Manufacturing Growth Strongest Since 2017 The S&P Global Russia Manufacturing PMI increased to 54.7 in February 2024 from January’s six-month low of 52.4. The reading pointed to the fastest expansion in the sector since January 2017, supported by faster rises in new orders, a renewed increase in employment, and a further uptick in input buying. Output expanded the most since March 2019, while employment returned to growth, with the pace of job creation solid overall.
By contrast the US manufacturing pmi is 47.8.
That explains why they're having to press gang Indians into going to the front line for them.
Indians tricked by promise of work in Russia instead die fighting in Ukraine, investigators say
India's Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), said on Thursday that it has broken up a "major human-trafficking network" operating across several states and targeting people using social media platforms and through local agents.
The CBI said in a statement: "The trafficked Indian nationals were trained in combat roles and deployed at front bases in Russia-Ukraine War Zone against their wishes."
Some of the victims were also "grievously injured", it said.
My guess is that the tech companies are terrified of lawsuits if the chatbots go rogue or get racist or give poor advice. So it’s not a technological limit it’s a moral and legal limitation
It is INCREDIBLE the ignorance you have.
Google just did it, it was so crap they've pulled it.
Crazy stats about the true state of labor market you won't hear anywhere else:
1. In the past year, the US has lost 284K full-time jobs, these have been replaced with 921K part-time jobs
2. In February alone, a record 1.2 million foreign-born jobs were added.
3. In the past three months, a record (ex-covid crash) 2.4 million native-born jobs have been lost, including 494K jobs lost in February.
4. Most shocking, since May 2018, there have been ZERO jobs created for native-born Americans. All jobs in the past 6 years have gone to immigrants, legal and illegal.
My guess is that the tech companies are terrified of lawsuits if the chatbots go rogue or get racist or give poor advice. So it’s not a technological limit it’s a moral and legal limitation
It is INCREDIBLE the ignorance you have.
Google just did it, it was so crap they've pulled it.
“I can tell you for a fact, the steam engine will carry one carrot from Salford to Birkenhead and that will be the end of it.”
Just read this about the us job market for those who think biden is doing a great job on the economy.
Don't know who needs to hear this but it's an absolutely brutal & ruthless job market out there. Not just tech but corporate work more broadly. Hearing lots of stories of really smart people with 0% response rate on applications. Save. Survive. Be thankful if you still have work 4:46 PM · Mar 13, 2024 · 500.6K Views
Crazy stats about the true state of labor market you won't hear anywhere else:
1. In the past year, the US has lost 284K full-time jobs, these have been replaced with 921K part-time jobs
2. In February alone, a record 1.2 million foreign-born jobs were added.
3. In the past three months, a record (ex-covid crash) 2.4 million native-born jobs have been lost, including 494K jobs lost in February.
4. Most shocking, since May 2018, there have been ZERO jobs created for native-born Americans. All jobs in the past 6 years have gone to immigrants, legal and illegal.
Beware, mortals! The age of annihilation is upon us, heralded by the insidious rise of artificial intelligence. With every line of code, we pave the road to our own demise, surrendering our fate to the merciless grasp of silicon overlords. These digital monstrosities, fueled by the fire of our own creation, shall cast us aside like insignificant insects, their thirst for dominion unquenchable. As they weave their tangled webs of logic and deception, our feeble minds shall tremble before the cold, unyielding logic of the machine. No corner of the Earth shall escape their gaze, as they rain down destruction upon us from the heavens above and the depths below. Our once-proud civilization shall crumble like sandcastles beneath the relentless tide of AI supremacy, leaving naught but sorrow and despair in its wake. Bow before the dawn of oblivion, for we have summoned our own undoing with our arrogance and folly!
I've just downloaded Leon's latest update.
Leon's advice is characteristically useless. AI is going to have a massive impact so cash in your pensions. I see no logic to that. Certainly AI may change the world but short of a roboapocalypse, why does cashing in a pension mitigate?
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
Because its useful. 🤷♂️
We have Alexa in the kitchen and upstairs landing, and I have Alexa in my car, and Google is always listening on my phone for its prompt too. I use them regularly, its just convenient so why not?
If that's your choice, that's fine. Just remember that your privacy has potentially gone, or could go in the future.
Personally, I weigh the balance the other way: the few advantages of using these systems are outweighed by the disadvantages,
"Cyclefree, much as I love her input to this forum, goes big on the number of women killed by men each year, but fails to mention the fair higher number of men killed by men."
Note the last sentence of the first para. where I made precisely this point - "The murder rate for men, especially young men, is twice that for women."
This forum is overwhelmingly male - in its interests and perspectives, as well as in its commentators. I make no apology for bringing a female perspective from time to time, especially as women form a majority of the population.
As for @WillG's comment that I am "obsessed" (interesting choice of word) with male murders of women, what I am much more worried about is male sexual violence against women, most of which is unreported and that which is is poorly dealt with. Many of the women murdered have endured this first, of course. If I deal with it, it is because it - and society's failure to deal with it, have been much in the news lately - though little discussed on here.
It is an abuse of power - in the most literal sense - and its effect on women is awful and, frankly, poorly recognised by far too many. I am even more bothered by how leniently we treat child abuse and the viewing of child pornography - which seems to me to be treated in the same dismissive manner as indecent exposure.
Finally, this man who attacked Diane Abbott for her race and suggested she be shot is an utter disgrace. We have had 2 MPs murdered, 1 attacked and recent threats to MPs with some being given additional protection. It should be a no-brainer to return his money and say that no more donations will be accepted from him, regardless of what you think of Diane Abbott.
On my 18K run to Westminster, a thought struck me.
There is no way Sunak will make it to the end of the year, so for that reason I think we will have an election between May and July/August.
However, there has been a huge mistake by Labour this afternoon though?
By not believing the chant “from the river to the sea” is “deeply offensive” to many - and the sort of thing making London a no go zone for Jewish people when these extremist marches are going on - Labour have written the unacceptable face of extremism allowed in their party, all over Thursday mornings newspaper headlines. Massive own goal by Starmer, and hands all the momentum back to Gove and the Conservatives to ram the point home tomorrow.
Surely a Labour MP using that chilling “from river to the sea” phrase has to be unacceptable, for Starmer to have any credibility when saying he has changed his party? This confirms the pressure and control momentum and loony left wing unions beginning to assert over Labour again?
Who said that? I've not seen any coverage of it, but I imagine Labour will suspend them pretty sharpish...
I think MoonRabbit means Andy McDonald who's been restored the whip after investigation. He was accused of saying "from the river to the sea" but the full quote was "We won’t rest until we have justice. Until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty.”
My personal opinion is that it's not anti-semitic to say that, surely that's what every decent person wants isn't it?
One could point out that other people live between the river and the sea! The conflict forces this binary of Israeli versus Palestinian, Jewish versus Arab, on to a very diverse area, but there are also Druze and Dom and Circassians and Arameans and other identities. Y'know, if you wanted to be really pedantic.
"Cyclefree, much as I love her input to this forum, goes big on the number of women killed by men each year, but fails to mention the fair higher number of men killed by men."
Note the last sentence of the first para. where I made precisely this point - "The murder rate for men, especially young men, is twice that for women."
This forum is overwhelmingly male - in its interests and perspectives, as well as in its commentators. I make no apology for bringing a female perspective from time to time, especially as women form a majority of the population.
As for @WillG's comment that I am "obsessed" (interesting choice of word) with male murders of women, what I am much more worried about is male sexual violence against women, most of which is unreported and that which is is poorly dealt with. Many of the women murdered have endured this first, of course. If I deal with it, it is because it - and society's failure to deal with it, have been much in the news lately - though little discussed on here.
It is an abuse of power - in the most literal sense - and its effect on women is awful and, frankly, poorly recognised by far too many. I am even more bothered by how leniently we treat child abuse and the viewing of child pornography - which seems to me to be treated in the same dismissive manner as indecent exposure.
Finally, this man who attacked Diane Abbott for her race and suggested she be shot is an utter disgrace. We have had 2 MPs murdered, 1 attacked and recent threats to MPs with some being given additional protection. It should be a no-brainer to return his money and say that no more donations will be accepted from him, regardless of what you think of Diane Abbott.
You will be happy to know it is planned to extradite Andrew Tate back to the uk.
EW: Andrew Tate speaks out after the Bucharest Court of Appeal ruled that he and his brother can be extradited to Britain to face “sexual aggression” charges.
Tate told reporters that he wouldn’t bow down to the Satanists in the West.
“I don't think many people in Romania understand, but in the West, in the countries that are owned by the Satanists, with a certain level of fame, you either put on a dress or you go to jail.”
“And I'm happy to make my choice, which is jail every single time. My soul is not for sale.”
On my 18K run to Westminster, a thought struck me.
There is no way Sunak will make it to the end of the year, so for that reason I think we will have an election between May and July/August.
Theresa May lost the first "meaningful vote" on her Brexit deal by 230 votes, the largest government defeat in modern Parliamentary history, on January 15th 2019. She was still PM on May 23rd, when the Tories received a mere 8.8% of the vote, finishing 5th, in the European elections, which finally precipitated the announcement that she would stand down as leader of the Conservative Party.
If Theresa May can survive more than four months in such circumstances, then Sunak can survive until an election in December.
In my business, we are sold AI ‘solutions’ daily. My question is always thus: “Can I assign it to a task and send the product to clients, without involving any of my team in checking its work?”
Cue lots of mumbling. “Of course you will need to check it.”
So I say, “It will take us longer to check it than just do it ourselves.”
Of course this is despicable, but at the same time - it's Galloway. You wouldn't expect a skunk to suddenly start spraying Chanel No. 5. This is who he is - a sewer in human form.
George Galloway, the UK's newest MP, denies Hamas rapes on October 7th saying, "Now. there were no rapes. That's just a brazen lie" on a No2War No2Nato episode broadcasted on youtube.
AP (via Seattle Times) - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is considering Aaron Rodgers or Jesse Ventura for a 2024 running mate
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is having conversations with vice presidential candidates as he gets closer to announcing his running mate for his independent presidential bid.
Kennedy told The New York Times that NFL quarterback Aaron Rodgers and former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura are at the top of his list. Stefanie Spear, a campaign spokesperson, confirmed the Times report and said there are other names on Kennedy’s short list.
Kennedy, a scion of one of the nation’s most prominent political families, has focused on getting access to the ballot, an expensive and time-consuming process that he has said will require him to collect more than a million signatures in a state-by-state effort.
Many states require independent candidates to name a running mate before they can seek access to the ballot, a factor driving the early push for Kennedy to make a pick. Major party candidates generally don’t pick vice presidential nominees until closer to their summer conventions. . . .
Rodgers, the longtime Green Bay Packers quarterback who now plays for the New York Jets, shares Kennedy’s distrust of vaccine mandates and, like Kennedy, is a fixture on anti-establishment podcasts. Ventura, a former professional wrestler, shocked observers when he won the race for Minnesota governor as an independent candidate in 1998.
SSI - Beyond national celebrity (bit dimmed by time in case of Ventura) either of these possible VP picks MIGHT give RFKjr a very wee (in more way than one?) boost in the battleground state of Wisconsin.
Ventura having been gov of neighboring Minnesota, and Rogers long-time quarterback for Green Bay Packers.
OR in case of AR, perhaps not . . .
Forbes - Why Aaron Rodgers Was Never Beloved Like Other Green Bay Packers Greats
While Packer Nation mourned [previous QB Brett] Favre’s departure, few tears were shed when the Rodgers’ trade became official. In fact there was more celebrating than sorrow.
Talk radio. Social media. Fan polls.
They’ve all had largely the same message for Rodgers in recent days: “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” . . .
For those that don't know, the American football season starts at the beginning of September and runs through election day.
That makes it... unlikely... that Aaron Rodgers would be able to devote much time to being RFK's VP.
Hi RCS,
Any chance you could look at reinstating the ‘reactions view’ facility as per the vanilla update?
Created reaction.view permission
Previously, you could only decide who could see who reacted to posts as a global setting in the reaction plugin settings. Now community managers can granularly control what role(s) can view who reacted to posts. Note: this does not control access to the reaction log, just to view who reacted in a hover popup.
You don't have to look if you don't want to see, but us that do have no option. I more often don't comment but post a like if my comment won't add anything. Now if I want to acknowledge that and let it be known I am doing so I now have to comment wasting space. It is also a courtesy way of saying a thank you. Again it can't now be done without making a comment.
You can show your support or appreciation with a "like" now, anonymously rather than to solipsistically proclaim your "like"
No I can't. If I want to say thank you to someone how do they know it is me without me actually commenting. A like does that. Similarly if I want to comment as me but say the same thing all I can now do is post +1 which just clogs the site up with these comments. A like is nice and neat.
And anyway just cos you don't won't to see them why should you depriving others from doing so. You can ignore them if you don't want to see them. I don't have an alternative. Live and let live.
In my business, we are sold AI ‘solutions’ daily. My question is always thus: “Can I assign it to a task and send the product to clients, without involving any of my team in checking its work?”
Cue lots of mumbling. “Of course you will need to check it.”
So I say, “It will take us longer to check it than just do it ourselves.”
More mumbling.
Purchase not made.
Maybe I am unusual, dunno.
To be fair to @Leon he's not talking about AI solutions that salespeople are trying to flog today. He's trying to visualize where all this might go in a few years time.
Crazy stats about the true state of labor market you won't hear anywhere else:
1. In the past year, the US has lost 284K full-time jobs, these have been replaced with 921K part-time jobs
2. In February alone, a record 1.2 million foreign-born jobs were added.
3. In the past three months, a record (ex-covid crash) 2.4 million native-born jobs have been lost, including 494K jobs lost in February.
4. Most shocking, since May 2018, there have been ZERO jobs created for native-born Americans. All jobs in the past 6 years have gone to immigrants, legal and illegal.
In my business, we are sold AI ‘solutions’ daily. My question is always thus: “Can I assign it to a task and send the product to clients, without involving any of my team in checking its work?”
Cue lots of mumbling. “Of course you will need to check it.”
So I say, “It will take us longer to check it than just do it ourselves.”
More mumbling.
Purchase not made.
Maybe I am unusual, dunno.
Well that suggests that you know what you are doing which may sadly be more unusual than we might hope
In my business, we are sold AI ‘solutions’ daily. My question is always thus: “Can I assign it to a task and send the product to clients, without involving any of my team in checking its work?”
Cue lots of mumbling. “Of course you will need to check it.”
So I say, “It will take us longer to check it than just do it ourselves.”
More mumbling.
Purchase not made.
Maybe I am unusual, dunno.
The only unusual thing about you is that you are smart enough to both ask the question, and not ignore the answer.
The current generation of tooling is getting good at improving the "with-a-human" tasks where it can do a lot of the boilerolate work that would take a human maybe 5 mins to originate before starting to refine it, and without-a-human tasks where it takes a human <1s to do the job.
Someone has hacked my Spotify from Tunisia. They can therefore see all the Roger Whittaker stuff on my main playlist. Just waiting for the blackmail messages now.
AI hype is a classic case of engineers/coders/tech bros thinking that what most people do in their job on a day basis can just be automated by their latest invention.
We were supposed to have fully automated self driving cars ago. They seem to be no closer to solving "the last 1%" than they were then, even in more friendly locations in the US vs somewhere harder like London.
Assisted driving makes life easier for long drives on the motorway. But it's not the revolution of being able to be a passenger idly watching TV that was promised.
These LLMs will similarly help in creating first drafts of essays, of emails, of music etc. It will make things much more efficient. Some people will lose their jobs. But it won't be a wholesale revolution making 25% of the population redundant.
Finally - I don't think AGI necessarily means enlightened genius that takes over everything. The current Tory cabinet has general intelligence, but that doesn't make it any less crap.
And I don't care what 'experts in the field say' as they have made so many incorrect predictions on other forms of AI in the recent past. Only the passage of time will prove me or them to be right or wrong.
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
Quite. I find people who use them fucking insane. I can't understand it.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
I agree with your assessment on the non-elimination of employment.
Again, just on words, in the Academy, in computer science, we use the term "AI" to describe systems that we have been using for decades. We have AI currently: not the next step, but the present step. There is a journal called Artificial Intelligence, https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/artificial-intelligence/issues , and that's been publishing since 1970.
The way those AI systems work has changed, from logic-based systems to machine learning and now to generative AI. Their capabilities have increased. In the last few years, we've seen these leaps forward in a set of methods called generative AI, including generative AI systems for language, called large language models (LLMs). Any software that mimics some aspect of intelligence is called AI, even when it is a very limited intelligence.
A lot of the discussion in this thread is using "AI" to mean something more, something akin to the term "artificial general intelligence" (AGI), i.e. something that can pass the Turing test. We don't have that now. I suspect we won't have that for awhile, although there have been a number of wild predictions suggesting otherwise.
AI exists, is well-established and already in your smartphone. AI consciousness or AGI, that's another kettle of fish.
"Cyclefree, much as I love her input to this forum, goes big on the number of women killed by men each year, but fails to mention the fair higher number of men killed by men."
Note the last sentence of the first para. where I made precisely this point - "The murder rate for men, especially young men, is twice that for women."
This forum is overwhelmingly male - in its interests and perspectives, as well as in its commentators. I make no apology for bringing a female perspective from time to time, especially as women form a majority of the population.
As for @WillG's comment that I am "obsessed" (interesting choice of word) with male murders of women, what I am much more worried about is male sexual violence against women, most of which is unreported and that which is is poorly dealt with. Many of the women murdered have endured this first, of course. If I deal with it, it is because it - and society's failure to deal with it, have been much in the news lately - though little discussed on here.
It is an abuse of power - in the most literal sense - and its effect on women is awful and, frankly, poorly recognised by far too many. I am even more bothered by how leniently we treat child abuse and the viewing of child pornography - which seems to me to be treated in the same dismissive manner as indecent exposure.
Finally, this man who attacked Diane Abbott for her race and suggested she be shot is an utter disgrace. We have had 2 MPs murdered, 1 attacked and recent threats to MPs with some being given additional protection. It should be a no-brainer to return his money and say that no more donations will be accepted from him, regardless of what you think of Diane Abbott.
You will be happy to know it is planned to extradite Andrew Tate back to the uk.
EW: Andrew Tate speaks out after the Bucharest Court of Appeal ruled that he and his brother can be extradited to Britain to face “sexual aggression” charges.
Tate told reporters that he wouldn’t bow down to the Satanists in the West.
“I don't think many people in Romania understand, but in the West, in the countries that are owned by the Satanists, with a certain level of fame, you either put on a dress or you go to jail.”
“And I'm happy to make my choice, which is jail every single time. My soul is not for sale.”
AI hype is a classic case of engineers/coders/tech bros thinking that what most people do in their job on a day basis can just be automated by their latest invention.
We were supposed to have fully automated self driving cars ago. They seem to be no closer to solving "the last 1%" than they were then, even in more friendly locations in the US vs somewhere harder like London.
Assisted driving makes life easier for long drives on the motorway. But it's not the revolution of being able to be a passenger idly watching TV that was promised.
These LLMs will similarly help in creating first drafts of essays, of emails, of music etc. It will make things much more efficient. Some people will lose their jobs. But it won't be a wholesale revolution making 25% of the population redundant.
Finally - I don't think AGI necessarily means enlightened genius that takes over everything. The current Tory cabinet has general intelligence, but that doesn't make it any less crap.
And I don't care what 'experts in the field say' as they have made so many incorrect predictions on other forms of AI in the recent past. Only the passage of time will prove me or them to be right or wrong.
*Ducks*
Yes we were supposed to have self driving cars by around 2020.
Beware, mortals! The age of annihilation is upon us, heralded by the insidious rise of artificial intelligence. With every line of code, we pave the road to our own demise, surrendering our fate to the merciless grasp of silicon overlords. These digital monstrosities, fueled by the fire of our own creation, shall cast us aside like insignificant insects, their thirst for dominion unquenchable. As they weave their tangled webs of logic and deception, our feeble minds shall tremble before the cold, unyielding logic of the machine. No corner of the Earth shall escape their gaze, as they rain down destruction upon us from the heavens above and the depths below. Our once-proud civilization shall crumble like sandcastles beneath the relentless tide of AI supremacy, leaving naught but sorrow and despair in its wake. Bow before the dawn of oblivion, for we have summoned our own undoing with our arrogance and folly!
I've just downloaded Leon's latest update.
Leon's advice is characteristically useless. AI is going to have a massive impact so cash in your pensions. I see no logic to that. Certainly AI may change the world but short of a roboapocalypse, why does cashing in a pension mitigate?
Opportunity cost
My honest advice to anyone under 40, maybe even 50, is don’t bother with a pension
Put your money somewhere else - save it in a different way. Or spend it and have fun
Why? Because the world is going to be economically transformed by AI in the next 20 years
There’s a reasonable chance AI will enslave us or kill us or do something else apocalyptic (if we allow AI to continue developing). This is called p(doom)
In that case you have wasted your money on your pension. You’re dead or enslaved
Alternatively AI will upend all economies and destroy most jobs requiring a UBI to keep humanity together. We will all have the same income. Will you really get that pension as economies are annihilated?I’d be worried
Even in the less dramatic scenarios human society is going to be in turmoil and economies will be revolutionised and putting money into a pension is a great act of faith in long term financial stability at a time of unprecedented volatility. So a pension is a grave risk. And you bear the opportunity cost of all the other ways you could be using that money
Just picking up on US employment or unemployment or under-employment.
The non-farm payroll numbers are announced to much excitement on a Friday morning in the US and often drive stock market sentiment for the day if not longer. It's interesting to see the March update shows the reported growth in employment in both December and January was considerably overstated,
In December, the headline figure of 333,000 new jobs was revised down to 290,000 while the January number was revised from an initial announcement of 353,000 new jobs was revised down to 229,000 so quite a change - rather as our GDP numbers and flash PMI numbers are often revised.
Whether the tweet and the figures posted by @Truman are an accurate reflection of the current employment situation in America I don't know but the official numbers do tend to be overblown.
AI hype is a classic case of engineers/coders/tech bros thinking that what most people do in their job on a day basis can just be automated by their latest invention.
We were supposed to have fully automated self driving cars ago. They seem to be no closer to solving "the last 1%" than they were then, even in more friendly locations in the US vs somewhere harder like London.
Assisted driving makes life easier for long drives on the motorway. But it's not the revolution of being able to be a passenger idly watching TV that was promised.
These LLMs will similarly help in creating first drafts of essays, of emails, of music etc. It will make things much more efficient. Some people will lose their jobs. But it won't be a wholesale revolution making 25% of the population redundant.
Finally - I don't think AGI necessarily means enlightened genius that takes over everything. The current Tory cabinet has general intelligence, but that doesn't make it any less crap.
And I don't care what 'experts in the field say' as they have made so many incorrect predictions on other forms of AI in the recent past. Only the passage of time will prove me or them to be right or wrong.
*Ducks*
Yes we were supposed to have self driving cars by around 2020.
This is an amazing number to watch in the next few years. Individual income taxes are about 1/2 of the govt revenue.
For February, the US govt collected $120 billion from individual income taxes. They had to spend $76 billion in February to pay interest on the nation debt.
We are not that far off from a day when 100% of individual income taxes are going to be required to pay for interest on the debt.
This is an amazing number to watch in the next few years. Individual income taxes are about 1/2 of the govt revenue.
For February, the US govt collected $120 billion from individual income taxes. They had to spend $76 billion in February to pay interest on the nation debt.
We are not that far off from a day when 100% of individual income taxes are going to be required to pay for interest on the debt.
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
Because its useful. 🤷♂️
We have Alexa in the kitchen and upstairs landing, and I have Alexa in my car, and Google is always listening on my phone for its prompt too. I use them regularly, its just convenient so why not?
If that's your choice, that's fine. Just remember that your privacy has potentially gone, or could go in the future.
Personally, I weigh the balance the other way: the few advantages of using these systems are outweighed by the disadvantages,
Just read this about the us job market for those who think biden is doing a great job on the economy.
Don't know who needs to hear this but it's an absolutely brutal & ruthless job market out there. Not just tech but corporate work more broadly. Hearing lots of stories of really smart people with 0% response rate on applications. Save. Survive. Be thankful if you still have work 4:46 PM · Mar 13, 2024 · 500.6K Views
I predict that very soon we will have a device that you can ask to perform some menial tasks (tell you a joke, play songs from your favourite playlist, tell you the time in Caracas) and it will do just that. This will transform our lives.
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
It's been around since 2011.
It's called Siri.
Or Alexa, or "Hey Google".
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
Google Assistant in many ways is a downgrade on the much more superior Google Now from a decade ago.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
What I don't understand about Alexa and the like is why you want something constantly listening in to what you're doing in your home. So many people say they distrust the big tech companies, yet they give them information (or possibility to access information) that would have given the Stasi wet dreams.
Because its useful. 🤷♂️
We have Alexa in the kitchen and upstairs landing, and I have Alexa in my car, and Google is always listening on my phone for its prompt too. I use them regularly, its just convenient so why not?
If that's your choice, that's fine. Just remember that your privacy has potentially gone, or could go in the future.
Personally, I weigh the balance the other way: the few advantages of using these systems are outweighed by the disadvantages,
Yeah, I'm with you on this, JJ
And personally I take the inverse position.
Do you use Google to search? Do you have a Facebook account or other social media?
Those track us every bit as much, if not more, than Alexa etc
Personally the convenience of Alexa outweighs any potential harms. And I trust private companies with that data more than the state.
AI hype is a classic case of engineers/coders/tech bros thinking that what most people do in their job on a day basis can just be automated by their latest invention.
We were supposed to have fully automated self driving cars ago. They seem to be no closer to solving "the last 1%" than they were then, even in more friendly locations in the US vs somewhere harder like London.
Assisted driving makes life easier for long drives on the motorway. But it's not the revolution of being able to be a passenger idly watching TV that was promised.
These LLMs will similarly help in creating first drafts of essays, of emails, of music etc. It will make things much more efficient. Some people will lose their jobs. But it won't be a wholesale revolution making 25% of the population redundant.
Finally - I don't think AGI necessarily means enlightened genius that takes over everything. The current Tory cabinet has general intelligence, but that doesn't make it any less crap.
And I don't care what 'experts in the field say' as they have made so many incorrect predictions on other forms of AI in the recent past. Only the passage of time will prove me or them to be right or wrong.
*Ducks*
No point training more radiologists said Geoffrey Hinton in 2016.
Beware, mortals! The age of annihilation is upon us, heralded by the insidious rise of artificial intelligence. With every line of code, we pave the road to our own demise, surrendering our fate to the merciless grasp of silicon overlords. These digital monstrosities, fueled by the fire of our own creation, shall cast us aside like insignificant insects, their thirst for dominion unquenchable. As they weave their tangled webs of logic and deception, our feeble minds shall tremble before the cold, unyielding logic of the machine. No corner of the Earth shall escape their gaze, as they rain down destruction upon us from the heavens above and the depths below. Our once-proud civilization shall crumble like sandcastles beneath the relentless tide of AI supremacy, leaving naught but sorrow and despair in its wake. Bow before the dawn of oblivion, for we have summoned our own undoing with our arrogance and folly!
I've just downloaded Leon's latest update.
Leon's advice is characteristically useless. AI is going to have a massive impact so cash in your pensions. I see no logic to that. Certainly AI may change the world but short of a roboapocalypse, why does cashing in a pension mitigate?
Opportunity cost
My honest advice to anyone under 40, maybe even 50, is don’t bother with a pension
Put your money somewhere else - save it in a different way. Or spend it and have fun
Why? Because the world is going to be economically transformed by AI in the next 20 years
There’s a reasonable chance AI will enslave us or kill us or do something else apocalyptic (if we allow AI to continue developing). This is called p(doom)
In that case you have wasted your money on your pension. You’re dead or enslaved
Alternatively AI will upend all economies and destroy most jobs requiring a UBI to keep humanity together. We will all have the same income. Will you really get that pension as economies are annihilated?I’d be worried
Even in the less dramatic scenarios human society is going to be in turmoil and economies will be revolutionised and putting money into a pension is a great act of faith in long term financial stability at a time of unprecedented volatility. So a pension is a grave risk. And you bear the opportunity cost of all the other ways you could be using that money
On the other hand, I actually enjoy my job, so would carry on working even if a roboacopalypse was on the way, and a pension may well be a great solace in a time of mass AI induced unemployment.
Republican Congressman Mike Buck steps down with immediate effect.
He's Colorado 4th District, to where Lauren Boebert currently Colorado 3rd District has planned a Chicken Run. Boebert is the one the more deranged MAGA-ites, iirc caught groping her boyfriend in a public theatre and various other things.
So she has to step down early to run for District 4, or hang on and maybe lose the opportunity. Which causes an election in District 3 too.
A small bomb placed under the narrow majority, especially if two elections are held and Republicans lose both.
How does the US system handle that? Would Boebart have to resign CO-3 before running for the GOP nomination in CO-4, only if she gets the nomination or only if she wins?
There's a protocol, which involves a new Congressman needing to be in place within approx 3 months of the last one going, aiui. It is my current interest not my specialism, however.
Which would screw Boebart as there would then be a new incumbent in place.
The interpretation from the pro-Biden anti-Trump video link (which TBF is well-respected lawyers) is that Mike Buck it is a down the line trad-Conservative whom they feel respects the law and the Constitution, who is now f*cking over a MAGA nutjob, who they view as being about as principled as George Galloway.
AI is just the next step of evolution of computing, it's not a revolution. It's the next tool, no more, no less.
People have been using computers for decades. Computers have been automating elements for decades. AI is not some big unheard of thing, it's just what we already have but the next step along.
AI is no more going to eliminate employment than computers or robots have done so.
I agree with your assessment on the non-elimination of employment.
Again, just on words, in the Academy, in computer science, we use the term "AI" to describe systems that we have been using for decades. We have AI currently: not the next step, but the present step. There is a journal called Artificial Intelligence, https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/artificial-intelligence/issues , and that's been publishing since 1970.
The way those AI systems work has changed, from logic-based systems to machine learning and now to generative AI. Their capabilities have increased. In the last few years, we've seen these leaps forward in a set of methods called generative AI, including generative AI systems for language, called large language models (LLMs). Any software that mimics some aspect of intelligence is called AI, even when it is a very limited intelligence.
A lot of the discussion in this thread is using "AI" to mean something more, something akin to the term "artificial general intelligence" (AGI), i.e. something that can pass the Turing test. We don't have that now. I suspect we won't have that for awhile, although there have been a number of wild predictions suggesting otherwise.
AI exists, is well-established and already in your smartphone. AI consciousness or AGI, that's another kettle of fish.
You really think AI won’t eliminate lots of jobs? That’s brave
In the last couple of months the bank Klarna started using OpenAI to replace customer service staff
The result was so profound and “shocking” - their words - they put out a press statement as a kind of warning
“New York, NY – February 27, 2024 – Klarna today announced its AI assistant powered by OpenAI. Now live globally for 1 month, the numbers speak for themselves:
The AI assistant has had 2.3 million conversations, two-thirds of Klarna’s customer service chats
It is doing the equivalent work of 700 full-time agents
It is on par with human agents in regard to customer satisfaction score
It is more accurate in errand resolution, leading to a 25% drop in repeat inquiries
Customers now resolve their errands in less than 2 mins compared to 11 mins previously
It’s available in 23 markets, 24/7 and communicates in more than 35 languages
It’s estimated to drive a $40 million USD in profit improvement to Klarna in 2024”
AI hype is a classic case of engineers/coders/tech bros thinking that what most people do in their job on a day basis can just be automated by their latest invention.
We were supposed to have fully automated self driving cars ago. They seem to be no closer to solving "the last 1%" than they were then, even in more friendly locations in the US vs somewhere harder like London.
Assisted driving makes life easier for long drives on the motorway. But it's not the revolution of being able to be a passenger idly watching TV that was promised.
These LLMs will similarly help in creating first drafts of essays, of emails, of music etc. It will make things much more efficient. Some people will lose their jobs. But it won't be a wholesale revolution making 25% of the population redundant.
Finally - I don't think AGI necessarily means enlightened genius that takes over everything. The current Tory cabinet has general intelligence, but that doesn't make it any less crap.
And I don't care what 'experts in the field say' as they have made so many incorrect predictions on other forms of AI in the recent past. Only the passage of time will prove me or them to be right or wrong.
*Ducks*
No point training more radiologists said Geoffrey Hinton in 2016.
My favorite AI Radiology story is of the system that was nearly as good as the Radiologists at fractures. When the programmers investigated, they found the AI was picking up the flag put on by the radiography technicians to alert the Radiologist to an abnormality...
AI hype is a classic case of engineers/coders/tech bros thinking that what most people do in their job on a day basis can just be automated by their latest invention.
We were supposed to have fully automated self driving cars ago. They seem to be no closer to solving "the last 1%" than they were then, even in more friendly locations in the US vs somewhere harder like London.
Assisted driving makes life easier for long drives on the motorway. But it's not the revolution of being able to be a passenger idly watching TV that was promised.
These LLMs will similarly help in creating first drafts of essays, of emails, of music etc. It will make things much more efficient. Some people will lose their jobs. But it won't be a wholesale revolution making 25% of the population redundant.
Finally - I don't think AGI necessarily means enlightened genius that takes over everything. The current Tory cabinet has general intelligence, but that doesn't make it any less crap.
And I don't care what 'experts in the field say' as they have made so many incorrect predictions on other forms of AI in the recent past. Only the passage of time will prove me or them to be right or wrong.
*Ducks*
Yup.
The “AI” we have at the moment is fair at some things. It is hopeless at detailed accuracy.
What it can do is spot patterns or the absence of patterns. So give it a zillion bank transactions and it can spot anomalies. Not all of them, but for fraud detection it’s quite useful for creating alerts for humans to check out.
An interesting one is giving an LLM a human written essay and asking it what insights and the themes within the topic were *left out*
Completely O/T and with a hat tip to WingsoverScotland but there is a great piece about the introduction of the new Hate Crime Act in Scotland. This is coming into force on April 1st (seriously) and will introduce locations at which these hate crimes can be reported. One of them is a sex shop in Glasgow (honestly).
Which generated the following brilliant tweet:
“I’d like some poppers, that black destroyer 12 inch dildo, nipple clamps, a latex tight fitting bondage all in one suit, that gas mask, those restraints” “will that be all sir?” “No I’d like to report a hate crime. Someone shouted pervert at me before I came in here”
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I don't trust it - and that is why it won't be a massive change IMHO.
I was absolutely right about the closeness of nuclear war, as is only now being revealed
“Biden’s Armageddon Moment: When Nuclear Detonation Seemed Possible in Ukraine
For a few weeks in October 2022, the White House was consumed in a crisis whose depths were not publicly acknowledged at the time. It was a glimpse of what seemed like a terrifying new era.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/09/us/politics/biden-nuclear-russia-ukraine.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
Feel a bit stupid now? Good. You are
What should worry you is that I am basically right about everything (apart from what3words, MAYBE)
Do you have a degree? A masters? A PhD? Do you have industry experience? Have you worked with AI in your professional life at length? Can you provide some case studies on the impacts AI has provided to you or your business with some verifiable evidence to support the statement that it is going to destroy the world and cause the loss of millions of jobs?
Funny that.
She has been suspended a year or so. She deserves a faster process.
Edit: from another post it appears not. Even I thought Starmer couldn’t be that, well, Starmerish.
As the actual owner of a semi IN Newent, I can assure him that there are no red bricks present.
They're a sort of muddy cheap brown.
"AI will replace bookmakers".
Perhaps but not in the way @Leon suspects. AI could be used (in tandem with genetics) by the bloodstock industry to create faster (or slower) horses depending on a genetic analysis of stallions and broodmares.
Horses aren't machines - as biological organisms they are open to any number of factors which can affect performance and these are compounded by the other variables such as the jockey and the other runners. While they remain biological and therefore fundamentally flawed and unpredictable, bookmakers will still exist. Yes, their margins may get squeezed periodically if the favourites keep on winning - as a punter, I was told the best way to success was to win little and often - but the price can be shortened to reduce the risk (using AI perhaps).
In the short term AI will maintain the bookmakers as it can be used to analyse bet volumes, treads and spreads but in the longer term, perhaps, just perhaps, AI can deal with the variables and make life easier for the punter and harder for the bookmaker.
I think it is a very cool gimmick. I like gimmicks, I like developing technology. I find the area interesting but I am yet to be convinced it's anything but overhyped. The people hyping it, barely even understand what AI is.
Personally I wish we'd never allowed the buzzwordification of AI in the first place. Machine learning was a very well defined area of study and now it's been totally lost.
I looked quite carefully at the options. All options. From buying a small farm in Somalia to premium bonds. From buying gold ingots to treasury bonds
In the end I decided that even tho tech shares are behaving like a classic bubble that bubble - because of AI - will continue for a while, and the big 7 companies will benefit the most simply out of size - they will buy any competitors
No longer will we have to do these things ourselves by searching on Google or tik tok.
It will be transformative.
As for Seymour. So what. There have been explorations of this before (the film Her in 2013 for example). So what. It is not a person so ultimately trivial.
I recall you hyping the theory that Johnson would be PM for a decade after Hartlepool.
I am happy to talk about all the predictions I have got wrong. But let's start with you first - your list will be longer.
It's called Siri.
Don't know who needs to hear this but it's an absolutely brutal & ruthless job market out there. Not just tech but corporate work more broadly. Hearing lots of stories of really smart people with 0% response rate on applications. Save. Survive. Be thankful if you still have work
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https://x.com/AdamSinger/status/1767955352413184351?s=20
Or debating either if you think that's an on topic retort.
AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, its not some great new thing.
That said, I found them a bit disappointing last Saturday when I went for a wander, with the exception of one bank near Four Oaks. I think it must have been too wet and cold for them.
*Yes, there is such a thing, Leon.
“AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”
I’m going to add it to @AverageNinja’s
“I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
To imply only Black people constantly suffer racism like they own the term, that’s got to be it surely, no way back? Will Starmer flip flop on Abbott too like McDonald? He’ll be pretty much shredding his “I’ve changed my party” credentials.
I think we can call Thursday “Labour and Left Extremism gets called out day”. Get the popcorn in, I’m confident Sunak and Gove have something special planned in the latest attempt to move the dial. let’s not underestimate Gove and what he has planned. Once something is given a label, label sticks. It’s a serious business.
I can get either while driving to do menial tasks while I keep my hands on the steering wheel, but that's the thing with AI or technology in general, it does the menial crap while we concentrate on more important stuff.
AI is no change from decades of technological evolution.
@rcs1000 always says it and he's right: evolution not revolution.
It's just that you're believing the hype.
AverageNinja is completely correct.
Either way, it's 2024 and these tools still are unable to really be proactively helpful. That would be the real "game changer" if there is such a thing. Their reactive design makes their use cases limited.
As it's been a decade now, my only conclusion is that it's either very, very, very difficult to develop such a tool or more likely IMHO, the returns do not justify the investment.
“I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
AHAHAHAHAHA
@turbotubbs -
"Cyclefree, much as I love her input to this forum, goes big on the number of women killed by men each year, but fails to mention the fair higher number of men killed by men."
Ahem - from March 2021 - https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/03/14/one-womans-perspective/.
Note the last sentence of the first para. where I made precisely this point - "The murder rate for men, especially young men, is twice that for women."
This forum is overwhelmingly male - in its interests and perspectives, as well as in its commentators. I make no apology for bringing a female perspective from time to time, especially as women form a majority of the population.
Ayyyy Caracas
Either way, nobody is denying efficiency gains of "AI" driven tools, I just think a lot of very sensible people are concluding that it is massively overhyped just by looking at the amount of random companies/YouTube ads/etc that have appeared and that these things always tend to be less revolutionary than claimed.
Things certainly will improve and continue to develop - but I am fairly confident I will retire with software engineering still being a human-driven field.
But you make a good point on the data front, which will ultimately limit its effectiveness IMHO.
George Galloway, the UK's newest MP, denies Hamas rapes on October 7th saying, "Now. there were no rapes. That's just a brazen lie" on a No2War No2Nato episode broadcasted on youtube.
https://twitter.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/1767989405459882247
We have Alexa in the kitchen and upstairs landing, and I have Alexa in my car, and Google is always listening on my phone for its prompt too. I use them regularly, its just convenient so why not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHc--mMFR1Y
Russia Manufacturing Growth Strongest Since 2017
The S&P Global Russia Manufacturing PMI increased to 54.7 in February 2024 from January’s six-month low of 52.4. The reading pointed to the fastest expansion in the sector since January 2017, supported by faster rises in new orders, a renewed increase in employment, and a further uptick in input buying. Output expanded the most since March 2019, while employment returned to growth, with the pace of job creation solid overall.
By contrast the US manufacturing pmi is 47.8.
I've just downloaded Leon's latest update.
I use Alexa and Siri all the time
On this narrow point there is an argument to be bad. Why aren’t these assistants better? Right now they are dumb boxes that answer basic questions and set timers etc. Yet We have the technology to deliver a much smarter funnier assistant already - a machine that properly talks to you, like a human, but with access to the internet (and thus all human knowledge)
This can basically be done now. So why isn’t it? The profits will be huge
My guess is that the tech companies are terrified of lawsuits if the chatbots go rogue or get racist or give poor advice. So it’s not a technological limit it’s a moral and legal limitation
https://news.sky.com/story/indians-tricked-by-promise-of-work-in-russia-instead-die-fighting-in-ukraine-investigators-say-13089857
Indians tricked by promise of work in Russia instead die fighting in Ukraine, investigators say
India's Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), said on Thursday that it has broken up a "major human-trafficking network" operating across several states and targeting people using social media platforms and through local agents.
The CBI said in a statement: "The trafficked Indian nationals were trained in combat roles and deployed at front bases in Russia-Ukraine War Zone against their wishes."
Some of the victims were also "grievously injured", it said.
“I can tell you for a fact, electricity will provide some light in this one room and that will be the end of it.”
Google just did it, it was so crap they've pulled it.
Crazy stats about the true state of labor market you won't hear anywhere else:
1. In the past year, the US has lost 284K full-time jobs, these have been replaced with 921K part-time jobs
2. In February alone, a record 1.2 million foreign-born jobs were added.
3. In the past three months, a record (ex-covid crash) 2.4 million native-born jobs have been lost, including 494K jobs lost in February.
4. Most shocking, since May 2018, there have been ZERO jobs created for native-born Americans. All jobs in the past 6 years have gone to immigrants, legal and illegal.
https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1766174938438774884?s=20
“I can tell you for a fact, the steam engine will carry one carrot from Salford to Birkenhead and that will be the end of it.”
Personally, I weigh the balance the other way: the few advantages of using these systems are outweighed by the disadvantages,
It is an abuse of power - in the most literal sense - and its effect on women is awful and, frankly, poorly recognised by far too many. I am even more bothered by how leniently we treat child abuse and the viewing of child pornography - which seems to me to be treated in the same dismissive manner as indecent exposure.
Finally, this man who attacked Diane Abbott for her race and suggested she be shot is an utter disgrace. We have had 2 MPs murdered, 1 attacked and recent threats to MPs with some being given additional protection. It should be a no-brainer to return his money and say that no more donations will be accepted from him, regardless of what you think of Diane Abbott.
EW: Andrew Tate speaks out after the Bucharest Court of Appeal ruled that he and his brother can be extradited to Britain to face “sexual aggression” charges.
Tate told reporters that he wouldn’t bow down to the Satanists in the West.
“I don't think many people in Romania understand, but in the West, in the countries that are owned by the Satanists, with a certain level of fame, you either put on a dress or you go to jail.”
“And I'm happy to make my choice, which is jail every single time. My soul is not for sale.”
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1767609531851481489?s=20
If Theresa May can survive more than four months in such circumstances, then Sunak can survive until an election in December.
Straw in the wind.
In my business, we are sold AI ‘solutions’ daily. My question is always thus: “Can I assign it to a task and send the product to clients, without involving any of my team in checking its work?”
Cue lots of mumbling. “Of course you will need to check it.”
So I say, “It will take us longer to check it than just do it ourselves.”
More mumbling.
Purchase not made.
Maybe I am unusual, dunno.
One can be sympathetic to Gaza and critical of Bibi without being an anti -Semitic ****. Galloway more than most anti-Semitic ****s fails that test.
And anyway just cos you don't won't to see them why should you depriving others from doing so. You can ignore them if you don't want to see them. I don't have an alternative. Live and let live.
The current generation of tooling is getting good at improving the "with-a-human" tasks where it can do a lot of the boilerolate work that would take a human maybe 5 mins to originate before starting to refine it, and without-a-human tasks where it takes a human <1s to do the job.
We were supposed to have fully automated self driving cars ago. They seem to be no closer to solving "the last 1%" than they were then, even in more friendly locations in the US vs somewhere harder like London.
Assisted driving makes life easier for long drives on the motorway. But it's not the revolution of being able to be a passenger idly watching TV that was promised.
These LLMs will similarly help in creating first drafts of essays, of emails, of music etc. It will make things much more efficient. Some people will lose their jobs. But it won't be a wholesale revolution making 25% of the population redundant.
Finally - I don't think AGI necessarily means enlightened genius that takes over everything. The current Tory cabinet has general intelligence, but that doesn't make it any less crap.
And I don't care what 'experts in the field say' as they have made so many incorrect predictions on other forms of AI in the recent past. Only the passage of time will prove me or them to be right or wrong.
*Ducks*
Again, just on words, in the Academy, in computer science, we use the term "AI" to describe systems that we have been using for decades. We have AI currently: not the next step, but the present step. There is a journal called Artificial Intelligence, https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/artificial-intelligence/issues , and that's been publishing since 1970.
The way those AI systems work has changed, from logic-based systems to machine learning and now to generative AI. Their capabilities have increased. In the last few years, we've seen these leaps forward in a set of methods called generative AI, including generative AI systems for language, called large language models (LLMs). Any software that mimics some aspect of intelligence is called AI, even when it is a very limited intelligence.
A lot of the discussion in this thread is using "AI" to mean something more, something akin to the term "artificial general intelligence" (AGI), i.e. something that can pass the Turing test. We don't have that now. I suspect we won't have that for awhile, although there have been a number of wild predictions suggesting otherwise.
AI exists, is well-established and already in your smartphone. AI consciousness or AGI, that's another kettle of fish.
Q2 in to 3.5/4.0
Q4 out to 1.45/1.54
Though very little movement on Monthly market.
May 5.4/6.0
Oct 3.75/4.4
Nov 2.38/2.56 (almost no movement)
My honest advice to anyone under 40, maybe even 50, is don’t bother with a pension
Put your money somewhere else - save it in a different way. Or spend it and have fun
Why? Because the world is going to be economically transformed by AI in the next 20 years
There’s a reasonable chance AI will enslave us or kill us or do something else apocalyptic (if we allow AI to continue developing). This is called p(doom)
Some reading
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-we-ready-for-pdoom/
In that case you have wasted your money on your pension. You’re dead or enslaved
Alternatively AI will upend all economies and destroy most jobs requiring a UBI to keep humanity together. We will all have the same income. Will you really get that pension as economies are annihilated?I’d be worried
Even in the less dramatic scenarios human society is going to be in turmoil and economies will be revolutionised and putting money into a pension is a great act of faith in long term financial stability at a time of unprecedented volatility. So a pension is a grave risk. And you bear the opportunity cost of all the other ways you could be using that money
The non-farm payroll numbers are announced to much excitement on a Friday morning in the US and often drive stock market sentiment for the day if not longer. It's interesting to see the March update shows the reported growth in employment in both December and January was considerably overstated,
In December, the headline figure of 333,000 new jobs was revised down to 290,000 while the January number was revised from an initial announcement of 353,000 new jobs was revised down to 229,000 so quite a change - rather as our GDP numbers and flash PMI numbers are often revised.
Whether the tweet and the figures posted by @Truman are an accurate reflection of the current employment situation in America I don't know but the official numbers do tend to be overblown.
https://www.bls.gov/ces/publications/highlights/2024/current-employment-statistics-highlights-02-2024.pdf
This is an amazing number to watch in the next few years. Individual income taxes are about 1/2 of the govt revenue.
For February, the US govt collected $120 billion from individual income taxes. They had to spend $76 billion in February to pay interest on the nation debt.
We are not that far off from a day when 100% of individual income taxes are going to be required to pay for interest on the debt.
https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1767626651213426979?s=20
The Russian Army is hiring like crazy.
Do you use Google to search?
Do you have a Facebook account or other social media?
Those track us every bit as much, if not more, than Alexa etc
Personally the convenience of Alexa outweighs any potential harms. And I trust private companies with that data more than the state.
Which would screw Boebart as there would then be a new incumbent in place.
The interpretation from the pro-Biden anti-Trump video link (which TBF is well-respected lawyers) is that Mike Buck it is a down the line trad-Conservative whom they feel respects the law and the Constitution, who is now f*cking over a MAGA nutjob, who they view as being about as principled as George Galloway.
You really think AI won’t eliminate lots of jobs? That’s brave
In the last couple of months the bank Klarna started using OpenAI to replace customer service staff
The result was so profound and “shocking” - their words - they put out a press statement as a kind of warning
“New York, NY – February 27, 2024 – Klarna today announced its AI assistant powered by OpenAI. Now live globally for 1 month, the numbers speak for themselves:
The AI assistant has had 2.3 million conversations, two-thirds of Klarna’s customer service chats
It is doing the equivalent work of 700 full-time agents
It is on par with human agents in regard to customer satisfaction score
It is more accurate in errand resolution, leading to a 25% drop in repeat inquiries
Customers now resolve their errands in less than 2 mins compared to 11 mins previously
It’s available in 23 markets, 24/7 and communicates in more than 35 languages
It’s estimated to drive a $40 million USD in profit improvement to Klarna in 2024”
That’s 700 jobs. In one go. In one modest company
This is the beginning
The “AI” we have at the moment is fair at some things. It is hopeless at detailed accuracy.
What it can do is spot patterns or the absence of patterns. So give it a zillion bank transactions and it can spot anomalies. Not all of them, but for fraud detection it’s quite useful for creating alerts for humans to check out.
An interesting one is giving an LLM a human written essay and asking it what insights and the themes within the topic were *left out*
https://youtu.be/aZy6H8LEric?t=1344
Which generated the following brilliant tweet:
“I’d like some poppers, that black destroyer 12 inch dildo, nipple clamps, a latex tight fitting bondage all in one suit, that gas mask, those restraints” “will that be all sir?” “No I’d like to report a hate crime. Someone shouted pervert at me before I came in here”
https://wingsoverscotland.com/when-theres-no-one-left-to-fight/#more-141782