Could we see Reform poll higher than the Tories before the election in an opin– politicalbetting.com
?Lee Anderson suspended A spokesperson for Chief Whip Simon Hart said: "Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
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First like England versus Scotland.1
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Depends how much crack they've done.
Oh, you said 'poll.'0 -
Richard Tice must be the luckiest party leader in history if this happens.0
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Sky reporter reporting again - 'sticking the knife in'
When will they learn language matters0 -
The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...0 -
Give him his due, Farage was pretty good at kicking out-loud racists out of his parties, preferring sly insinuation.
Would Reform even want him?
And what do GBeebies do?2 -
No that is still Sir Kierwilliamglenn said:Richard Tice must be the luckiest party leader in history if this happens.
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My 'favourite' was the UKIP councillor lady who said she wasn't a racist she just didn't like black people because of their negroid features.Stuartinromford said:Give him his due, Farage was pretty good at kicking out-loud racists out of his parties, preferring sly insinuation.
Would Reform even want him?
And what do GBeebies do?0 -
9th.
(Knowing me, knowing you) Aha - I see the bollock he dropped.
I admit I had perceived that as merely turning twat into a verb.0 -
Under FPTP I doubt it, if we had PR Reform might already be level pegging with the Sunak and Hunt Tories.
Tice is also less politically canny than Farage, pushing Thatcherite economics when most of their target voters want centrist economics and subsidised manufacturing industry and farming while still cutting immigration and being anti woke0 -
Farage is likely to pick up the antisemite votes these days.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/jewish-groups-and-mps-condemn-nigel-farage-for-antisemitic-dog-whistles0 -
He's the greatest sleeper agent in politics after Liz Truss.MattW said:9th.
(Knowing me, knowing you) Aha - I see the bollock he dropped.
Fair play to Labour for letting 30p Lee defect to the Tories.1 -
On topic. Unlikely. Maybe a 15% chance
It will be entertainingly seismic if it happens0 -
Gloria still seems to be there, presumably as the Sane wing.Stuartinromford said:Give him his due, Farage was pretty good at kicking out-loud racists out of his parties, preferring sly insinuation.
Would Reform even want him?
And what do GBeebies do?
All they need is Geoff 'the complete' Hoon, and they'll have the 3 most recent MPs for Ashfield.0 -
I would have thought Anderson would have been the perfect fit for Reform .
It certainly would raise the profile of the party . Problem for Reform now is taking Anderson would see lots of questions around whether they’re Islamophobic .
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If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course0 -
As for Anderson - you lay down with dogs and you get fleas.
I feel a sense of relief that there are still apparently enough real conservatives in the Con Party to kick this offensive grifter into touch. No apology should have been accepted and it seems amazing the Con leadership were willing to make exactly the mistake Starmer made over Rochdale
Anderson probably would stand a better chance in Ashfield under Reform colours. However, they would have to forgive his lie over being offered a bribe to defect. How do I know it was a lie? Anderson would have taken the money. That can't have impressed Tice and Farage. However, they currently have Danczuk as a candidate which suggests their standards are phenomenally low1 -
Farage has already given him an open invitation.Stuartinromford said:Give him his due, Farage was pretty good at kicking out-loud racists out of his parties, preferring sly insinuation.
Would Reform even want him?
And what do GBeebies do?0 -
Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.0 -
Far too many handling errors by England. Useless0
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Meanwhile news from Rochdale
After my hot tip that the Cons might be over-priced there the smart money has reacted in the only possible way.
The Cons have gone from 66-1 to 150-11 -
Am so bored of mediocre England rugby teams. Ford is weak. Lawrence is weaker0
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You must really like ConHomeTheScreamingEagles said:First like England versus Scotland.
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They were first when I posted that.CatMan said:
You must really like ConHomeTheScreamingEagles said:First like England versus Scotland.
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I wonder if we might see a Rochdale poll this weekend.Clutch_Brompton said:Meanwhile news from Rochdale
After my hot tip that the Cons might be over-priced there the smart money has reacted in the only possible way.
The Cons have gone from 66-1 to 150-1
Nota bene, I am not aware of any Rochdale polling.1 -
Did we do this?Stuartinromford said:Give him his due, Farage was pretty good at kicking out-loud racists out of his parties, preferring sly insinuation.
Would Reform even want him?
And what do GBeebies do?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/gb-news-co-owner-denies-163626807.html
"GB News co-owner denies 'Islamophobia' after Twitter history exposed"0 -
The Scots are savages, why did they boo such a brilliant drop goal?0
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Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.1 -
Surely, in your book, it’s all faux outrage.nico679 said:I would have thought Anderson would have been the perfect fit for Reform .
It certainly would raise the profile of the party . Problem for Reform now is taking Anderson would see lots of questions around whether they’re Islamophobic .0 -
did not age wellTheScreamingEagles said:First like England versus Scotland.
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Aged like a carton of milk that's been on a radiator for fifteen days.malcolmg said:
did not age wellTheScreamingEagles said:First like England versus Scotland.
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The Dutch are very snooty about Afrikaans. They call it “kitchen Dutch” and say it sounds childish and primitiveCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.1 -
They were content to have him as deputy chairman of the party. Just now hopes for the red wall have gone so has the need for big boorish Lee. All the red wall MPs will be discarded. They don't fit the home counties mould of what a Conservative should be.Clutch_Brompton said:As for Anderson - you lay down with dogs and you get fleas.
I feel a sense of relief that there are still apparently enough real conservatives in the Con Party to kick this offensive grifter into touch. No apology should have been accepted and it seems amazing the Con leadership were willing to make exactly the mistake Starmer made over Rochdale
Anderson probably would stand a better chance in Ashfield under Reform colours. However, they would have to forgive his lie over being offered a bribe to defect. How do I know it was a lie? Anderson would have taken the money. That can't have impressed Tice and Farage. However, they currently have Danczuk as a candidate which suggests their standards are phenomenally low
Houchen et al should be worrying.0 -
I’d expect many Tory MPs are considering a life after politics.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...1 -
Oh, really? Odd, as it's pretty much what they used to speak!Leon said:
The Dutch are very snooty about Afrikaans. They call it “kitchen Dutch” and say it sounds childish and primitiveCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.0 -
In the same way that Shoaib Bashir is a proper English nameTheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.
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'Trump suggests black voters like him more because of his mugshot and criminal indictments: 'What's happening to me happens to them''
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13121095/trump-black-voters-like-mugshot-criminal-indictments.html2 -
Hasn't the Tory candidate gone on holiday?Clutch_Brompton said:Meanwhile news from Rochdale
After my hot tip that the Cons might be over-priced there the smart money has reacted in the only possible way.
The Cons have gone from 66-1 to 150-12 -
Anderson has a history of controversial comments and clearly the Tories have a problem with Islamophobia . Labour had a bad few days with the Ali controversy.Taz said:
Surely, in your book, it’s all faux outrage.nico679 said:I would have thought Anderson would have been the perfect fit for Reform .
It certainly would raise the profile of the party . Problem for Reform now is taking Anderson would see lots of questions around whether they’re Islamophobic .1 -
I believe the French are similarly disdainful of Quebecois? So it’s probably a known linguistic patternCarnyx said:
Oh, really? Odd, as it's pretty much what they used to speak!Leon said:
The Dutch are very snooty about Afrikaans. They call it “kitchen Dutch” and say it sounds childish and primitiveCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.0 -
Hush.CatMan said:
In the same way that Shoaib Bashir is a proper English nameTheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.
I do not take defeat well.
I am at Wembley tomorrow and experiencing PMT.
Pre match tension.1 -
Evidence from these boards suggests he will have to work hard to hive it off from the Greens.TheScreamingEagles said:Farage is likely to pick up the antisemite votes these days.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/jewish-groups-and-mps-condemn-nigel-farage-for-antisemitic-dog-whistles0 -
I think Ford’s poor handling cost us both tries0
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Perhaps that's actually what he believes will work - imagine a party leader basing policy on that.HYUFD said:Under FPTP I doubt it, if we had PR Reform might already be level pegging with the Sunak and Hunt Tories.
Tice is also less politically canny than Farage, pushing Thatcherite economics when most of their target voters want centrist economics and subsidised manufacturing industry and farming while still cutting immigration and being anti woke0 -
And the English of Americans. It'll be founder effect, in part, oen district being more sampled than others, and partly simple divergence - some of the differences will be old in one polity, old in the other, so plenty of scope for blaming each other for being 'primitive'.Leon said:
I believe the French are similarly disdainful of Quebecois? So it’s probably a known linguistic patternCarnyx said:
Oh, really? Odd, as it's pretty much what they used to speak!Leon said:
The Dutch are very snooty about Afrikaans. They call it “kitchen Dutch” and say it sounds childish and primitiveCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.1 -
The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.0 -
Credit where it's due for the suspension. I'm sure these things involve a few fevered phone and conference calls before the decision is cast, as in normal life, so the appearance of a degree of confusion (and media love adding to that sense of confusion) is unavoidable.
As with Labour's Rochdale candidate the other week.1 -
As to the question asked above; Yes we could. Whether we shall depends a lot on how, and how much, and with what media coverage, Farage goes absolutely up front in campaigning mode.
I doubt if he will be able to resist this, and the defenestration of Anderson suggests that the Tories have boundaries, ones which Farage does not intend to operate within at the moment.
So if Farage is to be Nigel the Kingmaker, the only king in sight is neither a Henry nor an Edward but a Keir.0 -
Just don't suggest that Scots is a dialect of English and you'll be fineLeon said:
I believe the French are similarly disdainful of Quebecois? So it’s probably a known linguistic patternCarnyx said:
Oh, really? Odd, as it's pretty much what they used to speak!Leon said:
The Dutch are very snooty about Afrikaans. They call it “kitchen Dutch” and say it sounds childish and primitiveCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.0 -
The interesting thing is how Anderson refused to apologise. Sunak has little control over his MPsPro_Rata said:Credit where it's due for the suspension. I'm sure these things involve a few fevered phone and conference calls before the decision is cast, as in normal life, so the appearance of a degree of confusion (and media love adding to that sense of confusion) is unavoidable.
As with Labour's Rochdale candidate the other week.1 -
Doesn't the Anderson affair cast more doubt on Sunak's political judgement? Sunak was quite happy to appoint him as Vice Chair of the party.
Meanwhile, I await Braverman's suspension following her anti-Islam tirade in the DT on Thursday, which was as bad as Anderson's. I think I'll have a long wait.4 -
No.Northern_Al said:Doesn't the Anderson affair cast more doubt on Sunak's political judgement?
Because that would imply there was doubt remaining...
(I do hope Braverman is also de-whipped, and then loses her seat. That would be funny.)1 -
He qualified as he lived in Edinburgh for 3 years, despite being South African born and raised and not having any Scottish family.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.
He is clearly winning this game for Scotland but in the rules he was eligible to play for them so fair enough1 -
Good point.labour has no history whatsoever with anti semitism at all.,just a bad few days.nico679 said:
Anderson has a history of controversial comments and clearly the Tories have a problem with Islamophobia . Labour had a bad few days with the Ali controversy.Taz said:
Surely, in your book, it’s all faux outrage.nico679 said:I would have thought Anderson would have been the perfect fit for Reform .
It certainly would raise the profile of the party . Problem for Reform now is taking Anderson would see lots of questions around whether they’re Islamophobic .
😂😂😂😂0 -
Great try. Deserved lead
ANOTHER fuck up by England0 -
Liz Truss ought to lose the whip, frankly.
(The Tory one, for those of you with filthy minds.)4 -
I don’t swear much but I reckon 95% of the times I do swear it involves the England rugby team.2
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What a stupid TMO stoppage0
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You mean they want to be seen as unambiguously Islamophobic?nico679 said:I would have thought Anderson would have been the perfect fit for Reform .
It certainly would raise the profile of the party . Problem for Reform now is taking Anderson would see lots of questions around whether they’re Islamophobic .1 -
And their candidate would you believe is on holidayClutch_Brompton said:Meanwhile news from Rochdale
After my hot tip that the Cons might be over-priced there the smart money has reacted in the only possible way.
The Cons have gone from 66-1 to 150-11 -
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.0 -
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported
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We had one - Truss and we know how that endedLuckyguy1983 said:
Perhaps that's actually what he believes will work - imagine a party leader basing policy on that.HYUFD said:Under FPTP I doubt it, if we had PR Reform might already be level pegging with the Sunak and Hunt Tories.
Tice is also less politically canny than Farage, pushing Thatcherite economics when most of their target voters want centrist economics and subsidised manufacturing industry and farming while still cutting immigration and being anti woke1 -
Shamina says "hello".Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported1 -
Totally agree, for example we should deport anybody who calls the Union Jack the Butcher's Apron.malcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.0 -
Alba gu br... er, I mean Come on, England!TheScreamingEagles said:I don’t swear much but I reckon 95% of the times I do swear it involves the England rugby team.
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Really? How did she get back into the country?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Shamina says "hello".Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported0 -
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-france-can-ignore-the-echr-why-cant-we/Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported0 -
Well, she has been stripped of citizenship.ydoethur said:
Really? How did she get back into the country?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Shamina says "hello".Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported0 -
Have Scotland got de Kock out yet?0
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Anybody who wants us to be more like France should also be deported.carnforth said:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-france-can-ignore-the-echr-why-cant-we/Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported0 -
Anyone who talks like a Frog should be punished until they croak?TheScreamingEagles said:
Anybody who wants us to be more like France should also be deported.carnforth said:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-france-can-ignore-the-echr-why-cant-we/Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported0 -
They're just fiddling at the edges right now.Casino_Royale said:Have Scotland got de Kock out yet?
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Fuck around and find out.TheScreamingEagles said:
Anybody who wants us to be more like France should also be deported.carnforth said:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-france-can-ignore-the-echr-why-cant-we/Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported1 -
The expectation that Scotland might win this game is more painful than the usual despair1
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As I was saying...0
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Tempting. But I think losing the tory whip is probably sufficient for now. And Reform are welcome to him.Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported0 -
Given only Van Der Merwe's tries have put Scotland ahead, maybe more accurate to suggest this could be a victory for a Scottish South African alliance. He has about as much connection to Scotland as an English student studying for 3 years at Edinburgh university, given it was only his 3 year Edinburgh residency that qualified him. Otherwise he was South African born and South African raised with no Scottish ancestryScott_xP said:The expectation that Scotland might win this game is more painful than the usual despair
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England have some talented youngsters, this Scottish kid Finn Smith, nice, Feyi-Aboso, get Marcus Smith back, and somehow Henry Arundell, suddenly we look more piercing
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Isn't that the unofficial motto of France?Malmesbury said:
Fuck around and find out.TheScreamingEagles said:
Anybody who wants us to be more like France should also be deported.carnforth said:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-france-can-ignore-the-echr-why-cant-we/Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported0 -
He is a superb player, likewise Finn RussellHYUFD said:
Given only Van Der Merwe's tries have put Scotland ahead, maybe more accurate to suggest this could be a victory for a Scottish South African alliance. He has about as much connection to Scotland as an English student studying for 3 years at Edinburgh university, given it was only his 3 year Edinburgh residency that qualified him. Otherwise he was South African born and South African raised with no Scottish ancestryScott_xP said:The expectation that Scotland might win this game is more painful than the usual despair
Scotland are blessed with two of the best players in the world. If they could find maybe two or three more they could win Slams and maybe the next World Cup0 -
Lawrence AGAIN
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The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.10 -
He is excellent and has won this match for Scotland fair enough.Leon said:
He is a superb player, likewise Finn RussellHYUFD said:
Given only Van Der Merwe's tries have put Scotland ahead, maybe more accurate to suggest this could be a victory for a Scottish South African alliance. He has about as much connection to Scotland as an English student studying for 3 years at Edinburgh university, given it was only his 3 year Edinburgh residency that qualified him. Otherwise he was South African born and South African raised with no Scottish ancestryScott_xP said:The expectation that Scotland might win this game is more painful than the usual despair
Scotland are blessed with two of the best players in the world. If they could find maybe two or three more they could win Slams and maybe the next World Cup
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ACasino_Royale said:
Isn't that the unofficial motto of France?Malmesbury said:
Fuck around and find out.TheScreamingEagles said:
Anybody who wants us to be more like France should also be deported.carnforth said:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-france-can-ignore-the-echr-why-cant-we/Leon said:
Ouimalcolmg said:
Time we had proper immigration lawswilliamglenn said:The French have deported someone after 38 years in France because he called the French flag "satanic"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68378736
On Thursday, Mr Darmanin wrote on X that he had asked for an expulsion order to be issued for Mahjoub Mahjoubi, and praised tough new immigration laws that makes it easier for France to deport foreign residents.
"Without the immigration law, this would not have been possible. Firmness is the rule", the interior minister wrote.
Why can’t we do this? Boff. On the plane. Deported
"My dear sir, if you did anything so foolish you would probably enlarge the two limited titles of our village inns by giving us 'The Dangling Prussian' as a signpost. The Englishman is a patient creature, but at present his temper is a little inflamed, and it would be as well not to try him too far.
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Lamentable errors from England, deserved win for Scotland - van der Merwe is a tremendous talent
I said Scotland by 10! They did it by 9
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They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.3 -
I have this strong feeling we are losing all the lessons of the 20th century. We should all be reading Hannah Arendt, Karl Popper, Adorno and Horkheimer, Koselleck. Timothy Snyder's On Tyrrany is a good place to start.6
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Without the handling errors that might have been interesting. They lost all confidence after a good start. Think Lawrence was rushed back too soon never seen him play quite so badly.Leon said:Lamentable errors from England, deserved win for Scotland - van der Merwe is a tremendous talent
I said Scotland by 10! They did it by 9
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The only issue is that they take a significant number of voters with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.0 -
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Unlikely.darkage said:
The only issue is that they take a significant number of voters with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.
The Tories' voter numbers right now suggest they don't have significant numbers to take anyway.0 -
If so then that may have to happendarkage said:
The only issue is that they take a significant number of voters with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.
I do not support the right of the conservative party bring a one nation conservative most of my life ( though did vote for Blair twice)0
