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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138

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    How come a handful of high profile Labour MPs (quite rightly) went to prison, and people like Wilshire were never prosecuted? The £105,000 looks suspiciously like theft from the public purse. Let's not even enter the realms of duck houses and a married MP couple's mortgage arrangements.
    Some Tory MPs eg Aitken and Archer have been jailed for lying.

    Maybe there wasn't enough evidence in this case
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    rcs1000 said:

    You must read Ian Toll's Pacific War trilogy. He describes in some detail the behavior of Japanese troops who had been left to die, and their indiscriminate raping and murdering of local civilians. It is genuinely shocking.

    Human beings are capable of terrible evil.
    Read Christina Lamb's "Our Bodies,Their Battlefields" - grim, very grim.

    Or this from Janice Turner's article in the Times this weekend -
    nico679 said:

    So married couples already here who don’t meet the income requirement will either have to split up or leave the country .

    The policy seems to have been designed to be as cruel as possible.

    Leon said:

    Are they really doing it retrospectively?!

    I find that hard to believe, and we need details

    If you’re settled and married then applying this retrospectively is utterly wrong. But maybe they mean couples who are thinking of getting married? That’s more of a grey area

    Any retrospective legislation would also surely fail in the courts
    How can it possibly apply to people who have leave to remain or are otherwise already settled here? What about dependant children with British citizenship? Are they going to be deported?

    It's a nonsense cruel unimplementable policy and it needs to be dropped PDQ.
  • HYUFD said:

    Sunak is Hindu not Christian
    I'm not talking about him. I am talking about you and the remaining holier-than-thou types who claim to follow His word whilst supporting the exact opposite.

    Call the policy out for what this is - immoral, unchristian, unconservative.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256
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    Nigelb said:

    I note that very, very few of those critiquing the casualty estimates provide any estimates of their own.
    The choice is Hamas data or no data.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,724

    Where is this 'woke doctrine' written down?
    May I refer you to US Supreme Court Justice Stewart's answer to that (1964).
  • I do not believe "Hamas" are the ones counting the bodies, nor would I describe every British health worker or civil servant as "Conservatives" but none of this affects the underlying truth that death tolls are always fluid, in Gaza as in Israel and even as in Britain.
    The daily numbers have always been provided by Hamas

    Even the BBC accepts that FFS - they do at least preface their announcements with "according to Hamas"

    What's changed is that the numbers were supplied by the "Ministry of Health"; they're now officially from whatever they call their Ministry of Truth

    Hamas are not counting bodies

    They don't care how many innocent people die as a result of their actions
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,724

    The choice is Hamas data or no data.

    You mean like the drunk looking for his lost keys under the lamp post.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256
    TOPPING said:

    You mean like the drunk looking for his lost keys under the lamp post.
    I am not assuming the data is *that* accurate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,292

    Where is this 'woke doctrine' written down?
    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Social Chapter).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    Cyclefree said:

    Read Christina Lamb's "Our Bodies,Their Battlefields" - grim, very grim.

    Or this from Janice Turner's article in the Times this weekend - On what basis do you say "an extremely small proportion of men". Aren't you just saying - or hoping I will say - what you would very much like to be true? Look at what @dixiedean has said or @maxh. I have been sexually assaulted on at least 9 different occasions. 9 different men. Take that ratio - and apply it to all the women who have been assaulted, most of who will not have reported those assaults to the authorities - and think about what that proportion of the male population is.

    We will get nowhere on this if we tell ourselves comforting lies about how many men think it acceptable to behave appallingly to women, how many men can be conditioned and taught to hate and abuse and exploit and, apropos the previous thread, how much of a part in all this the porn of today - which is not merely about titillating boys with the sight of naked women - plays in all this.

    Sorry. Decent men need to face up to this not hope that this is just down to a few psychopaths.
    I've never believed that it's 'just a few psychopaths' - just as that is evidently not true either of the perpetrators of documented genocides.

    But I don't think @Benpointer 's question is a stupid one, as I don't think any of us really knows what proportion of men (and women) possess the capacity for violence, and in what degree.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402

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    I don't "hate" Johnson although I consider him a venal, dangerous, incompetent fool. But I wouldn't wish any harm on him. So did he want anyone to die? I am sure he didn't, but I doubt he has had one night of missed sleep crying over whether any of the 150,000 people who died could have been saved if he had been more alert, or better still not the Prime Minister tasked with managing a pandemic.
    Why do you doubt it?

    As I've said all along, from the start of the epidemic; I wouldn't want to be one of the people making the decisions, because there were no 'good' answers at the time: only bad or horrible ones, and it was clear the aftermath would just be an orgy of "I was right and you were wrong" directed at the decision-makers.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256

    Why do you doubt it?

    As I've said all along, from the start of the epidemic; I wouldn't want to be one of the people making the decisions, because there were no 'good' answers at the time: only bad or horrible ones, and it was clear the aftermath would just be an orgy of "I was right and you were wrong" directed at the decision-makers.
    There was a TV program, a few years back, where some politicians were given a crisis management game to play out. It was quite clear that a common factor was trying not to make any decision with any downside.

    When presented with a decision that had downsides (deaths) each way*, the politicians wibbled about how unfair it was.

    *closing or not closing anti-flooding doors on the London Tube, IIRC
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Nigelb said:

    I've never believed that it's 'just a few psychopaths' - just as that is evidently not true either of the perpetrators of documented genocides.

    But I don't think @Benpointer 's question is a stupid one, as I don't think any of us really knows what proportion of men (and women) possess the capacity for violence, and in what degree.
    It's a high enough proportion that rape is a crime that is exceptionally difficult to prosecute because juries are unwilling to convict. It's the only crime where the victim's testimony is routinely discounted as being untrustworthy.

    So I think it's fair to say that this is a problem about attitudes in general, and not the aberrant behaviour of a small minority.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,870
    I have made a disastrous hotel move
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,015
    Cleverly's spousal visa proposal is abhorrent. Regrettably Yvette Cooper has not said that Labour would revoke it if it passed into law. Do they want me to vote for the SNP?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137
    Covid inquiry session begins with the clown being told off by the Chair for sharing his statement with the press
  • The PB art critics are some of my favourites in the gammony genre. When a man tired of red-faced expostulating about the Turner, he is tired of life.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779

    A fairly accurate 130% of the casualties were women and children


    May be all the adult men were self identifying as women?
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