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Trump voters believe Trump is more likely to tell them the truth than their friends and family. Again: to understand the modern GOP, you need to understand what an authoritarian cult of personality is, because that’s what it has become. pic.twitter.com/Dzi2lbs4XB
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How Reddit armchair detectives threatened to derail Lucy Letby’s trial
True crime enthusiasts broke restrictions on the reporting of names of victims and witnesses while online campaigners insist serial killer is innocent and question ‘circumstantial’ evidence
Armchair detectives threatened to derail the trial of Lucy Letby after attending almost daily and posting details on Reddit that were in contempt of court.
The trial, and a podcast relaying what was happening in court, generated enormous interest in the case and led to a maelstrom of comments online.
True crime enthusiasts were a regular presence at the trial, watching proceedings remotely from an annexe where the public gallery was situated.
All of those who attended the trial were made to sign a document saying they understood that there was an order restricting the reporting of names of victims and their parents, as well as some witnesses.
However, these restrictions were sometimes broken in threads on Reddit, the online discussion forum. It is understood that witnesses flagged this to the company, which then removed the offending posts.
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He's not the Messiah, he's a very nasty boy.0
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Interesting tangent on US Elections.
There are a number of dodgy-looking state laws designed to make voting more restricted or more difficult in Republican states, which are under legal challenge.
Enough occurrences to impact the balance of Congress, potentially.
An example aiui is a law in Georgia with a requirement for absentee ballots to bear the birthdate of the voter on the *outside* of the envelope, and another is that food and water cannot be given to people in a voting queue more than 150 feet from the polling place (a disincentive, given temperatures in Georgia?).
To me it seems weird, but it's what they do over there, and they will rise through the Court System.0 -
I understand the point, but for a British newspaper to complain of irresponsible reportage reeks of hypocrisy. Were they disapproving the action or jealous that they weren't allowed to join in?TheScreamingEagles said:How Reddit armchair detectives threatened to derail Lucy Letby’s trial
True crime enthusiasts broke restrictions on the reporting of names of victims and witnesses while online campaigners insist serial killer is innocent and question ‘circumstantial’ evidence
Armchair detectives threatened to derail the trial of Lucy Letby after attending almost daily and posting details on Reddit that were in contempt of court.
The trial, and a podcast relaying what was happening in court, generated enormous interest in the case and led to a maelstrom of comments online.
True crime enthusiasts were a regular presence at the trial, watching proceedings remotely from an annexe where the public gallery was situated.
All of those who attended the trial were made to sign a document saying they understood that there was an order restricting the reporting of names of victims and their parents, as well as some witnesses.
However, these restrictions were sometimes broken in threads on Reddit, the online discussion forum. It is understood that witnesses flagged this to the company, which then removed the offending posts.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lucy-letby-trial-reddit-post-vgmc0w0k84 -
Even if Trump does not win the GOP nomination or is convicted and the RNC change the rules to prevent a convicted criminal being their candidate he has enough support to run as an Independent and get 20-25% of the vote even if no chance of winning the Presidency again0
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In the UK, Corbyn was (and is) a cult.
Johnson was a rather nebulous cult, which is why his support dwindled after even the dimmest of the dim could see he was not the Messiah, but a naughty boy.
Trump is in the Corbyn mould, and yet another example of horseshoe (and horsesh*t) politics.1 -
I hope they let her out to go on Strictly this year. Ratings sensation.TheScreamingEagles said:How Reddit armchair detectives threatened to derail Lucy Letby’s trial
True crime enthusiasts broke restrictions on the reporting of names of victims and witnesses while online campaigners insist serial killer is innocent and question ‘circumstantial’ evidence
Armchair detectives threatened to derail the trial of Lucy Letby after attending almost daily and posting details on Reddit that were in contempt of court.
The trial, and a podcast relaying what was happening in court, generated enormous interest in the case and led to a maelstrom of comments online.
True crime enthusiasts were a regular presence at the trial, watching proceedings remotely from an annexe where the public gallery was situated.
All of those who attended the trial were made to sign a document saying they understood that there was an order restricting the reporting of names of victims and their parents, as well as some witnesses.
However, these restrictions were sometimes broken in threads on Reddit, the online discussion forum. It is understood that witnesses flagged this to the company, which then removed the offending posts.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lucy-letby-trial-reddit-post-vgmc0w0k81 -
Really, I wish people would be more careful about typing errors. Seeing people write 'cult' all the time because they can't find the 'n' key is getting irritating.JosiasJessop said:In the UK, Corbyn was (and is) a cult.
Johnson was a rather nebulous cult, which is why his support dwindled after even the dimmest of the dim could see he was not the Messiah, but a naughty boy.
Trump is in the Corbyn mould, and yet another example of horseshoe (and horsesh*t) politics.3 -
Politics is well supplied with utter cults.JosiasJessop said:In the UK, Corbyn was (and is) a cult.
Johnson was a rather nebulous cult, which is why his support dwindled after even the dimmest of the dim could see he was not the Messiah, but a naughty boy.
Trump is in the Corbyn mould, and yet another example of horseshoe (and horsesh*t) politics.3 -
This is unfair about mainstream media court reporting. They are properly cautious about reporting court stuff. Not least because they don't specially want to go to prison.viewcode said:
I understand the point, but for a British newspaper to complain of irresponsible reportage reeks of hypocrisy. Were they disapproving the action or jealous that they weren't allowed to join in?TheScreamingEagles said:How Reddit armchair detectives threatened to derail Lucy Letby’s trial
True crime enthusiasts broke restrictions on the reporting of names of victims and witnesses while online campaigners insist serial killer is innocent and question ‘circumstantial’ evidence
Armchair detectives threatened to derail the trial of Lucy Letby after attending almost daily and posting details on Reddit that were in contempt of court.
The trial, and a podcast relaying what was happening in court, generated enormous interest in the case and led to a maelstrom of comments online.
True crime enthusiasts were a regular presence at the trial, watching proceedings remotely from an annexe where the public gallery was situated.
All of those who attended the trial were made to sign a document saying they understood that there was an order restricting the reporting of names of victims and their parents, as well as some witnesses.
However, these restrictions were sometimes broken in threads on Reddit, the online discussion forum. It is understood that witnesses flagged this to the company, which then removed the offending posts.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lucy-letby-trial-reddit-post-vgmc0w0k8
The problem with the internet thingy of course is that people can, without much personal risk and behind anonymity, break all the rules, providing unlawful and unfair but massively readable stuff the news media can't.
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You don't need a Massive Hunt for them, that's for sure.Nigelb said:
Politics is well supplied with utter cults.JosiasJessop said:In the UK, Corbyn was (and is) a cult.
Johnson was a rather nebulous cult, which is why his support dwindled after even the dimmest of the dim could see he was not the Messiah, but a naughty boy.
Trump is in the Corbyn mould, and yet another example of horseshoe (and horsesh*t) politics.0 -
Would he want to, though?HYUFD said:Even if Trump does not win the GOP nomination or is convicted and the RNC change the rules to prevent a convicted criminal being their candidate he has enough support to run as an Independent and get 20-25% of the vote even if no chance of winning the Presidency again
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If he were sane, no. But - sanity and Donald Trump have not been friends for some time.Fairliered said:
Would he want to, though?HYUFD said:Even if Trump does not win the GOP nomination or is convicted and the RNC change the rules to prevent a convicted criminal being their candidate he has enough support to run as an Independent and get 20-25% of the vote even if no chance of winning the Presidency again
He might just be deluded enough to think he can still win.0 -
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Thanks @Taz. If he gets exiled to a repurposed English country house in the 1970s (or 1980s depending on dating convention) I will laugh myself stupid...Taz said:
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If he did, and was heavily defeated, how would he explain it away?ydoethur said:
If he were sane, no. But - sanity and Donald Trump have not been friends for some time.Fairliered said:
Would he want to, though?HYUFD said:Even if Trump does not win the GOP nomination or is convicted and the RNC change the rules to prevent a convicted criminal being their candidate he has enough support to run as an Independent and get 20-25% of the vote even if no chance of winning the Presidency again
He might just be deluded enough to think he can still win.0 -
I wasn't heavily defeated. I won by the biggest landslide ever. It was beautiful. WITCH HUNT.Fairliered said:
If he did, and was heavily defeated, how would he explain it away?ydoethur said:
If he were sane, no. But - sanity and Donald Trump have not been friends for some time.Fairliered said:
Would he want to, though?HYUFD said:Even if Trump does not win the GOP nomination or is convicted and the RNC change the rules to prevent a convicted criminal being their candidate he has enough support to run as an Independent and get 20-25% of the vote even if no chance of winning the Presidency again
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USA trials are much more fussy about jury selection than UK ones. The process can go on for days.
How, I wonder, is anyone going to find 12 (if it's 12) people who qualify to sit on Trump trials who qualify thus:
They are sentient
Have an IQ over 75
Have no prior prejudices or bias either for or against Trump.
It is almost impossible to believe there is a group of people who are able to understand the trial process and have the capacity to enter the process without bias.
I am a fairly sensible rational centrist. I am already sure he is guilty of more or less anything of which there is credible evidence to be presented and that any defences will be lies.
Trumpians, mutatis mutandis, will feel the same way.0 -
It was the Martians.Fairliered said:
If he did, and was heavily defeated, how would he explain it away?ydoethur said:
If he were sane, no. But - sanity and Donald Trump have not been friends for some time.Fairliered said:
Would he want to, though?HYUFD said:Even if Trump does not win the GOP nomination or is convicted and the RNC change the rules to prevent a convicted criminal being their candidate he has enough support to run as an Independent and get 20-25% of the vote even if no chance of winning the Presidency again
He might just be deluded enough to think he can still win.0 -
I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
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Bloody wets, they get everywhere.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
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Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
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Ironic really, given that wokefinders of the 17th c liked to use excess quantities of water in their tests of purity, i.e the village pond.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
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You're a sensible, rational centrist who has posted several thousand comments on a fairly niche political website. You're not typical in terms of degree of interest in political issues.algarkirk said:USA trials are much more fussy about jury selection than UK ones. The process can go on for days.
How, I wonder, is anyone going to find 12 (if it's 12) people who qualify to sit on Trump trials who qualify thus:
They are sentient
Have an IQ over 75
Have no prior prejudices or bias either for or against Trump.
It is almost impossible to believe there is a group of people who are able to understand the trial process and have the capacity to enter the process without bias.
I am a fairly sensible rational centrist. I am already sure he is guilty of more or less anything of which there is credible evidence to be presented and that any defences will be lies.
Trumpians, mutatis mutandis, will feel the same way.
There are quite a lot of reasonably intelligent people who take little interest in politics. They may have a hunch one way or another on Trump's innocence or guilt, but don't feel strongly about it.
Remember, a third of Americans didn't vote in 2020 - and that was an exceptionally high turnout election. They weren't all half-wits - not having a very firm view on Trump, and not having taken enormous interest in political news, is less common in a polarised America, but isn't that rare.2 -
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
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How he obtained such trust and enthusiasm is remarkable. It's way beyond ordinary polarised politics, his supporters are brutal even on people who share their views but disagree on him, or not even disagree but don't show him fealty.
He's so selfish and nastily obnoxious I'd have to believe in his politics a lot to put up with it myself, being a milksop.0 -
On the first poll in the header, the fact that 71% of Trump voters believe what he tells them is true is pretty low. It means that 29% of Trump voters don't believe him, which is quite high.
Of more interest is that only 63% of Trump voters believe what their friends and family tell them is true. I'd conclude that 37% of Trump voters have pretty dysfunctional families and friends.0 -
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
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Not everything stupid is woke, Evening Standard. There's overuse of a broadly used vague term, which happens all the time, and then there's just being silly.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
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There is, thankfully, nothing and no-one remotely approaching Trump levels of cultishness in British politics.JosiasJessop said:In the UK, Corbyn was (and is) a cult.
Johnson was a rather nebulous cult, which is why his support dwindled after even the dimmest of the dim could see he was not the Messiah, but a naughty boy.
Trump is in the Corbyn mould, and yet another example of horseshoe (and horsesh*t) politics.
Corbyn and Johnson still have their diehard supporters, of course, but they're utterly marginalised in comparison to the hold that Trump has on the GOP. Vast majority of people have moved on.1 -
Hope you are right. I still think jury selection should be watched with interest.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
You're a sensible, rational centrist who has posted several thousand comments on a fairly niche political website. You're not typical in terms of degree of interest in political issues.algarkirk said:USA trials are much more fussy about jury selection than UK ones. The process can go on for days.
How, I wonder, is anyone going to find 12 (if it's 12) people who qualify to sit on Trump trials who qualify thus:
They are sentient
Have an IQ over 75
Have no prior prejudices or bias either for or against Trump.
It is almost impossible to believe there is a group of people who are able to understand the trial process and have the capacity to enter the process without bias.
I am a fairly sensible rational centrist. I am already sure he is guilty of more or less anything of which there is credible evidence to be presented and that any defences will be lies.
Trumpians, mutatis mutandis, will feel the same way.
There are quite a lot of reasonably intelligent people who take little interest in politics. They may have a hunch one way or another on Trump's innocence or guilt, but don't feel strongly about it.
Remember, a third of Americans didn't vote in 2020 - and that was an exceptionally high turnout election. They weren't all half-wits - not having a very firm view on Trump, and not having taken enormous interest in political news, is less common in a polarised America, but isn't that rare.
My tentative view is that having a view on Trump disqualifies you for obvious reasons. Genuinely not having a view on Trump disqualifies you on other grounds.0 -
But his voters could be as high 48-52% of those who bother to vote. That's an awful lot to be so dysfunctional.Northern_Al said:On the first poll in the header, the fact that 71% of Trump voters believe what he tells them is true is pretty low. It means that 29% of Trump voters don't believe him, which is quite high.
Of more interest is that only 63% of Trump voters believe what their friends and family tell them is true. I'd conclude that 37% of Trump voters have pretty dysfunctional families and friends.0 -
Lets face it, a lot of, well most, Republicans dont live in a real world of reason and facts but live in a world of faith, whether religious, political or demagogic Trumpism.
Look at the polling on climate - not what is causing the problems or how to respond, but matters of fact like simply is the climate changing and becoming more extreme and intense?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maui-wildfires-climate-change-public-opinion/
"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."
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You have got to feel a bit sorry for a 22 year old left arm spinner who has been hit for 24 runs in two overs.0
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Having a view on Trump isn't the same as being predetermined. It's perfectly possible Trump is an arsehole who isn't guilty of racketeering and conspiracy. I believe Trump's lawyer in Georgia is someone who has posted some negative stuff about him online in the past and no doubt he'll forcefully make the point that you don't have to like my client, you just need to weigh the evidence.algarkirk said:
Hope you are right. I still think jury selection should be watched with interest.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
You're a sensible, rational centrist who has posted several thousand comments on a fairly niche political website. You're not typical in terms of degree of interest in political issues.algarkirk said:USA trials are much more fussy about jury selection than UK ones. The process can go on for days.
How, I wonder, is anyone going to find 12 (if it's 12) people who qualify to sit on Trump trials who qualify thus:
They are sentient
Have an IQ over 75
Have no prior prejudices or bias either for or against Trump.
It is almost impossible to believe there is a group of people who are able to understand the trial process and have the capacity to enter the process without bias.
I am a fairly sensible rational centrist. I am already sure he is guilty of more or less anything of which there is credible evidence to be presented and that any defences will be lies.
Trumpians, mutatis mutandis, will feel the same way.
There are quite a lot of reasonably intelligent people who take little interest in politics. They may have a hunch one way or another on Trump's innocence or guilt, but don't feel strongly about it.
Remember, a third of Americans didn't vote in 2020 - and that was an exceptionally high turnout election. They weren't all half-wits - not having a very firm view on Trump, and not having taken enormous interest in political news, is less common in a polarised America, but isn't that rare.
My tentative view is that having a view on Trump disqualifies you for obvious reasons. Genuinely not having a view on Trump disqualifies you on other grounds.
Very often, the defendent in a criminal case will be an unsympathetic character who it is easy to dislike. It's not surprising, when there's a murder, if suspicion falls on a petty criminal with a couple of convictions for beating his wife, who was too high to remember anything that happened on the night in question. That doesn't mean he did it, and often a defence lawyer will be making the point that their client is an appalling excuse for a human being but there's doubt that he did this particular thing.3 -
They don't believe it until something bad happens to them. When their home burns down, or their relative is hospitalised, or they lose power and end up sweating for days, then they'll believe it. It's not just ignorance, and I dare say the stats would baffle them, it's a lack of empathy. Which is why they support the sociopathic criminal moron Trump, when any half-decent person turns away from him.noneoftheabove said:"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."
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Why?ydoethur said:You have got to feel a bit sorry for a 22 year old left arm spinner who has been hit for 24 runs in two overs.
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I blame the aircon.noneoftheabove said:Lets face it, a lot of, well most, Republicans dont live in a real world of reason and facts but live in a world of faith, whether religious, political or demagogic Trumpism.
Look at the polling on climate - not what is causing the problems or how to respond, but matters of fact like simply is the climate changing and becoming more extreme and intense?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maui-wildfires-climate-change-public-opinion/
"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."0 -
People who are amazed at Trump's popularity simply do not comprehend the visceral hatred that vast swathes of the country have for the ruling liberal/democratic elite.
Trump's popularity arises from his ability to connect with these people and their intense hatred. He's very good at it. Others have tried but with less success.
He has a way of communicating that convinces them that 'he is one of us'. He is nothing of the sort, of course, but they are so desperate to believe that here at last is a politican that speaks their language that he is able to pose as the true messiah, regardless of any evidence to the contrary.3 -
Actually, I was wrong.noneoftheabove said:
Why?ydoethur said:You have got to feel a bit sorry for a 22 year old left arm spinner who has been hit for 24 runs in two overs.
It was 29 runs in two overs after a no-ball...
(The answer is, because his captain has stupidly put him on at the end with the short straight boundary to a left hander. Very poor tactics from Jennings.)0 -
First it was the neo-cons, then the (bigliest ever) Trump con, and now its the aircon.Carnyx said:
I blame the aircon.noneoftheabove said:Lets face it, a lot of, well most, Republicans dont live in a real world of reason and facts but live in a world of faith, whether religious, political or demagogic Trumpism.
Look at the polling on climate - not what is causing the problems or how to respond, but matters of fact like simply is the climate changing and becoming more extreme and intense?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maui-wildfires-climate-change-public-opinion/
"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."0 -
The evidence is helpfully suppplied by the ruling liberal/democratic elite themselves in the form of their hatred for Trump. The Trump phenomenon couldn't exist without it.Peter_the_Punter said:People who are amazed at Trump's popularity simply do not comprehend the visceral hatred that vast swathes of the country have for the ruling liberal/democratic elite.
Trump's popularity arises from his ability to connect with these people and their intense hatred. He's very good at it. Others have tried but with less success.
He has a way of communicating that convinces them that 'he is one of us'. He is nothing of the sort, of course, but they are so desperate to believe that here at last is a politican that speaks their language that he is able to pose as the true messiah, regardless of any evidence to the contrary.0 -
Russia has confirmed it was behind the death of Prigozhin:
Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov tells the BBC that allegations the Kremlin gave an order to kill Yevgeny Prigozhin are “a complete lie”.2 -
Many of them just want to own the libtards, and don't care what Trump does.3
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In that case a former prospective Lib Dem candidate. She joined the party, and was toying with running as a candidate,SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
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Still no empathy here I'm afraid....wouldn't mind being 22 again, let alone 22 and a professional sportsman whose captain believes strongly in their ability......ydoethur said:
Actually, I was wrong.noneoftheabove said:
Why?ydoethur said:You have got to feel a bit sorry for a 22 year old left arm spinner who has been hit for 24 runs in two overs.
It was 29 runs in two overs after a no-ball...
(The answer is, because his captain has stupidly put him on at the end with the short straight boundary to a left hander. Very poor tactics from Jennings.)
29 in two overs is obviously not great but not particularly unusual.0 -
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.0 -
I blame the TGIIAAIsCarnyx said:
I blame the aircon.noneoftheabove said:Lets face it, a lot of, well most, Republicans dont live in a real world of reason and facts but live in a world of faith, whether religious, political or demagogic Trumpism.
Look at the polling on climate - not what is causing the problems or how to respond, but matters of fact like simply is the climate changing and becoming more extreme and intense?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maui-wildfires-climate-change-public-opinion/
"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."0 -
It’s a two-way process I think - Trump is very gifted at both convincing this group that their problems are due to the liberal/democratic elite and that he is on their side & will cleanse a nation corrupted by that elite. Obviously this is a path that the Republican party has been travelling down for decades (at least since the Clinton administration under Newt Gingrich I might argue) but Trump took that tendency & turbo charged it into a machine that elevated him to the presidency & might do so again.Peter_the_Punter said:People who are amazed at Trump's popularity simply do not comprehend the visceral hatred that vast swathes of the country have for the ruling liberal/democratic elite.
Trump's popularity arises from his ability to connect with these people and their intense hatred. He's very good at it. Others have tried but with less success.
He has a way of communicating that convinces them that 'he is one of us'. He is nothing of the sort, of course, but they are so desperate to believe that here at last is a politican that speaks their language that he is able to pose as the true messiah, regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
It’s both very impressive & deeply troubling to watch the radicalisation of such a large part of a nation in realtime.1 -
I find it interesting, though, that it translates to a very high proportion saying he tells the truth. Not just that he's on my side, but that he's a pretty straight guy.Sean_F said:Many of them just want to own the libtards, and don't care what Trump does.
This is something that isn't unique to Trump, but it surprises me how few people say "he's a bastard but he's ultimately got my interests at heart and is playing a dirty game against other bastards who don't". It's a more credible position to take, but people don't like taking it.1 -
Three more overs and Gloucestershire will have won.
Fingers crossed the rain holds off...0 -
It's not only liberals that hate Trump, many of his prominent GOP "supporters" are on record slating him before 2016 and after 2020, and even some in between. They all know what he's like, that he's not fit for office. They supported Trump as a vehicle to gain power, and now they are terrified to challenge him openly. They are cowards.williamglenn said:The evidence is helpfully suppplied by the ruling liberal/democratic elite themselves in the form of their hatred for Trump. The Trump phenomenon couldn't exist without it.
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Climate change, what climate change?noneoftheabove said:
First it was the neo-cons, then the (bigliest ever) Trump con, and now its the aircon.Carnyx said:
I blame the aircon.noneoftheabove said:Lets face it, a lot of, well most, Republicans dont live in a real world of reason and facts but live in a world of faith, whether religious, political or demagogic Trumpism.
Look at the polling on climate - not what is causing the problems or how to respond, but matters of fact like simply is the climate changing and becoming more extreme and intense?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maui-wildfires-climate-change-public-opinion/
"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."
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What's Trump doing on your aircon?Carnyx said:
Climate change, what climate change?noneoftheabove said:
First it was the neo-cons, then the (bigliest ever) Trump con, and now its the aircon.Carnyx said:
I blame the aircon.noneoftheabove said:Lets face it, a lot of, well most, Republicans dont live in a real world of reason and facts but live in a world of faith, whether religious, political or demagogic Trumpism.
Look at the polling on climate - not what is causing the problems or how to respond, but matters of fact like simply is the climate changing and becoming more extreme and intense?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maui-wildfires-climate-change-public-opinion/
"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."
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No, she's not a former prospective candidate either. A prospective candidate is one who's been selected as a candidate but an election hasn't been called. The term isn't widely used now due to changes to election expenses rules - basically, you can call yourself a candidate on selection nowadays without needing to worry too much about triggering expenses limits before the election is called, which didn't used to be the case.Taz said:
In that case a former prospective Lib Dem candidate. She joined the party, and was toying with running as a candidate,SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
Thinking about standing doesn't make you a prospective candidate, otherwise political parties would be full of "prospective candidates" who vaguely daydreamed about being an MP on an idle Sunday afternoon in 1988.1 -
He tells the stories they want to hear, in a vaguely entertaining manner. The details are not important to the stories. They believe the narrative not the detail.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I find it interesting, though, that it translates to a very high proportion saying he tells the truth. Not just that he's on my side, but that he's a pretty straight guy.Sean_F said:Many of them just want to own the libtards, and don't care what Trump does.
This is something that isn't unique to Trump, but it surprises me how few people say "he's a bastard but he's ultimately got my interests at heart and is playing a dirty game against other bastards who don't". It's a more credible position to take, but people don't like taking it.
On the flip side they suspect even if the evil establishment is perhaps more accurate on the detail that the establishment narratives are lies to manipulate them. And that part is often true as we have professionalised politics and spin doctory to such a degree that normal conversations and persuasion very rarely happen.0 -
The Boris AirCon was a complete waste of space, just delivered a load of hot air.ydoethur said:
What's Trump doing on your aircon?Carnyx said:
Climate change, what climate change?noneoftheabove said:
First it was the neo-cons, then the (bigliest ever) Trump con, and now its the aircon.Carnyx said:
I blame the aircon.noneoftheabove said:Lets face it, a lot of, well most, Republicans dont live in a real world of reason and facts but live in a world of faith, whether religious, political or demagogic Trumpism.
Look at the polling on climate - not what is causing the problems or how to respond, but matters of fact like simply is the climate changing and becoming more extreme and intense?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maui-wildfires-climate-change-public-opinion/
"But even on the question of whether the weather is getting more extreme, there are partisan differences. The April Ipsos poll, for example, found that only 51 percent of Republicans agree that unusual weather has gotten more frequent in their area over the past 10 years, compared to 85 percent of Democrats. Similarly, Republicans (44 percent) are less likely than Democrats (77 percent) to say that the weather has gotten more intense, with major divides in perception of how intense weather events like extreme heat and wildfires have become."
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Nothing surprises me. Roy Moore got elected twice, and narrowly lost once, despite the fact that he can barely feed and dress himself, and has an unhealthy interest in girls who have just reached puberty.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I find it interesting, though, that it translates to a very high proportion saying he tells the truth. Not just that he's on my side, but that he's a pretty straight guy.Sean_F said:Many of them just want to own the libtards, and don't care what Trump does.
This is something that isn't unique to Trump, but it surprises me how few people say "he's a bastard but he's ultimately got my interests at heart and is playing a dirty game against other bastards who don't". It's a more credible position to take, but people don't like taking it.0 -
Classic chart from the FT
https://twitter.com/Brad_Setser/status/1694813333109473746
In case any LibDems require inspiration.0 -
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.8 -
It wouldn't be possible however if the nation were not so deeply divided in terms of education and culture.Phil said:
It’s a two-way process I think - Trump is very gifted at both convincing this group that their problems are due to the liberal/democratic elite and that he is on their side & will cleanse a nation corrupted by that elite. Obviously this is a path that the Republican party has been travelling down for decades (at least since the Clinton administration under Newt Gingrich I might argue) but Trump took that tendency & turbo charged it into a machine that elevated him to the presidency & might do so again.Peter_the_Punter said:People who are amazed at Trump's popularity simply do not comprehend the visceral hatred that vast swathes of the country have for the ruling liberal/democratic elite.
Trump's popularity arises from his ability to connect with these people and their intense hatred. He's very good at it. Others have tried but with less success.
He has a way of communicating that convinces them that 'he is one of us'. He is nothing of the sort, of course, but they are so desperate to believe that here at last is a politican that speaks their language that he is able to pose as the true messiah, regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
It’s both very impressive & deeply troubling to watch the radicalisation of such a large part of a nation in realtime.0 -
Indeed. The biggest issue was their mailing list was small to begin with but then went contactless.SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.1 -
Are you suggesting they were not note able?SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.0 -
Exactly my own view, Sean.Sean_F said:Many of them just want to own the libtards, and don't care what Trump does.
I formulated mine by talking to a few of them. You been doing the same?0 -
A non-surprise announcement from the new TransPennine Express management - they are binning off their "Nova 3" Mk5 coaches/Class 68 trains by the December timetable change. Whilst that leaves them with fewer trains in practice it may improve reliability as they drop from 3 fleets down to 2.
What a fantastic waste of money! And what a marvellous experience for passengers, especially all those months on the south route (Sheffield) where significant numbers of trains were cancelled - often for hour after hour - to allow time for driver training on these things.0 -
To the extent it's a serious question, they changed their name to the Independent Group for Change after a rather ludicrous dispute with Change.org after the 2019 European Elections, but deregistered with the Electoral Commission a week after failing to get anywhere at the 2019 General Election and wound up promptly thereafter. There isn't some continuation party still going somewhere (which I believe there was for a while at least with Kilroy's failed Veritas Party).Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.0 -
No. But, I have a friend who lives in Alabama, and while she is very much a fish out of water there, she reports their views honestly.Peter_the_Punter said:
Exactly my own view, Sean.Sean_F said:Many of them just want to own the libtards, and don't care what Trump does.
I formulated mine by talking to a few of them. You been doing the same?
There are the white rural evangelicals, who basically view Trump as being like Cyrus or David. A pagan who is nonetheless, the Lord's chosen instrument. And, there are a lot of Republican voters who are against the establishment generally (including the Republican establishment) who enjoy trolling them by voting for appalling candidates. The latter don't expect to benefit in any way from Trump, if he gets elected, but they hope he'll hurt the people they despise.0 -
Harry Tector has just lost two stone while batting.
Not from the exercise, but from where Hammond hit him...0 -
FPT, even the US does better in public transport infrastructure than the UK:
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Sarah Palin on the Trump arrest: "Do you want us to be in Civil War? Because that's what's going to happen. We're not going to keep putting up with this... We need to rise up and take our country back."
https://x.com/mikesington/status/16950181699567579570 -
Well done Miles Hammond, but truthfully, Lancashire have been awful.
This was presaged the moment I tipped them for honours this year...0 -
Didn't the Labour half get roughly what they wanted- Labour with more centrist Dad and 100% less Jez?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
To the extent it's a serious question, they changed their name to the Independent Group for Change after a rather ludicrous dispute with Change.org after the 2019 European Elections, but deregistered with the Electoral Commission a week after failing to get anywhere at the 2019 General Election and wound up promptly thereafter. There isn't some continuation party still going somewhere (which I believe there was for a while at least with Kilroy's failed Veritas Party).Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.0 -
Why is Trump so popular? We have seen this building for a few decades, a weaponised culture war where the Dem elite and GOP elite battle for supremacy in keeping a population largely dumb and angry to win their votes.
Both sides portray the other side as evil. Bill Clinton was almost the anti-Christ for the right, W Bush the same for the left. Trump is just this weapons-grade stupidity turned up to 11. I know that Don't Look Up wound some people up, but it was a good pastiche for today's politics.
Trump is a mobster, and a particularly inept one. But all the people who are anti-crime are pro-Trump. They want him to mob them because it makes the other side angry and that must mean he is good.
There seem to be tens of millions of people intent on removing their own rights. Of turning women - themselves, their wives, their daughters - into chattel. I don't get it.2 -
On Topic: I can usually at least understand things I dislike (Brexit, the Tories, jazz) but I do struggle with Donald Trump. WTF is the appeal? Emotional age of about 7. The attention span of a flea. Pig ignorant, cruel, petty, narcissistic, deeply misogynist. Funny? Sure, if your idea of humour consists exclusively of cheap digs at other people. And just so obviously out for himself and only himself.
Yet tens of millions of adult Americans are in thrall to the horrible geezer. I don’t get it. The reasons usually advanced (globalisation hurting the trad white working class, liberal elites sneering at them and their values, a feeling of abandonment by mainstream politicians); these make for good weighty articles etc but it doesn’t ring true to me as an explanation for something so bizarre.
It looks like a mass psychosis to me. More akin to Jonestown than a political populist movement. He was a horror of a person too who was able to brainwash many who came into his orbit. I wonder how many ‘Trumpers’ are actually damaged vulnerable people, lonely perhaps, men and women who have rather lost their bearings in life? I’d be interested in the stats on that.6 -
Rochdale, great minds! People will be thinking we're sat together cribbing. 0
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That information is definitely not correct. UK towns and cities have better public transport than American ones, overall.Gardenwalker said:FPT, even the US does better in public transport infrastructure than the UK:
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I guess so, but arguably it would've happened anyway and they might have been there to see it.Stuartinromford said:
Didn't the Labour half get roughly what they wanted- Labour with more centrist Dad and 100% less Jez?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
To the extent it's a serious question, they changed their name to the Independent Group for Change after a rather ludicrous dispute with Change.org after the 2019 European Elections, but deregistered with the Electoral Commission a week after failing to get anywhere at the 2019 General Election and wound up promptly thereafter. There isn't some continuation party still going somewhere (which I believe there was for a while at least with Kilroy's failed Veritas Party).Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.
It was all a shambles, of course, but I suppose you need to have a certain amount of respect for some of the individuals involved, who had pretty good Labour or Conservative seats and could have kept a low profile and hoped it all blew over. At least they tried, however flawed the attempt.1 -
The country is split in two and he is the supreme cheerleader for one side. Not much more to it than that really.kinabalu said:On Topic: I can usually at least understand things I dislike (Brexit, the Tories, jazz) but I do struggle with Donald Trump. WTF is the appeal? Emotional age of about 7. The attention span of a flea. Pig ignorant, cruel, petty, narcissistic, deeply misogynist. Funny? Sure, if your idea of humour consists exclusively of cheap digs at other people. And just so obviously out for himself and only himself.
Yet tens of millions of adult Americans are in thrall to the horrible geezer. I don’t get it. The reasons usually advanced (globalisation hurting the trad white working class, liberal elites sneering at them and their values, a feeling of abandonment by mainstream politicians); these make for good weighty articles etc but it doesn’t ring true to me as an explanation for something so bizarre.
It looks like a mass psychosis to me. More akin to Jonestown than a political populist movement. He was a horror of a person too who was able to brainwash many who came into his orbit. I wonder how many ‘Trumpers’ are actually damaged vulnerable people, lonely perhaps, men and women who have rather lost their bearings in life? I’d be interested in the stats on that.0 -
That seems a really dodgy set of definitions to exclude heavy rail, buses, or ferries from your definition of public transport. Equally, it takes no account for the usability of the provision - merely its existence in some form...Gardenwalker said:FPT, even the US does better in public transport infrastructure than the UK:
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Any factoids to back that up?Andy_JS said:
That information is definitely not correct. UK towns and cities have better public transport than American ones, overall.Gardenwalker said:FPT, even the US does better in public transport infrastructure than the UK:
Note that the chart is measuring large cities over 250k with trams, metro or light rail.
So what are your grounds for saying the chart is "definitely not correct"? At least before changing goal posts!0 -
lolkinabalu said:Rochdale, great minds! People will be thinking we're sat together cribbing.
I have a wife and a daughter. If I was a GOPper would I really be demanding that their rights be removed? Nobody wants an abortion until they need one, but should I be demanding that my daughter once grown up be told that she must carry a baby to term even if she was raped? Or support banning her from being allowed to travel just in case she's been sexually active and may be travelling to get birth control or more?
The Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be apocryphal yet here we are with GOP politicians (men of course) thinking it is a great plan. What the hell is wrong with these people?
Trump is literally a crook. Yet the people who demand crooks be shot are demanding that the crook be allowed to commit any crime he wants. Giuliani cracked down hard on monsters, making use of their RICO statutes. And then went on to become a mobster and get charged under the same RICO statutes. WTAF happened?3 -
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How do you and Sarah feel about Trump,'s calls to lock Hillary up for relatively hum-drum breaches of protocol?williamglenn said:Sarah Palin on the Trump arrest: "Do you want us to be in Civil War? Because that's what's going to happen. We're not going to keep putting up with this... We need to rise up and take our country back."
https://x.com/mikesington/status/1695018169956757957
I am not ensure Sarah shouldn't be clapped in irons for inciting sedition on that comment alone. Although innate idiocy might be a valid defence.
Why do you have such a soft spot for these dangerous subversives?0 -
Believe the word you may be looking for is "nihilism".kinabalu said:On Topic: I can usually at least understand things I dislike (Brexit, the Tories, jazz) but I do struggle with Donald Trump. WTF is the appeal? Emotional age of about 7. The attention span of a flea. Pig ignorant, cruel, petty, narcissistic, deeply misogynist. Funny? Sure, if your idea of humour consists exclusively of cheap digs at other people. And just so obviously out for himself and only himself.
Yet tens of millions of adult Americans are in thrall to the horrible geezer. I don’t get it. The reasons usually advanced (globalisation hurting the trad white working class, liberal elites sneering at them and their values, a feeling of abandonment by mainstream politicians); these make for good weighty articles etc but it doesn’t ring true to me as an explanation for something so bizarre.
It looks like a mass psychosis to me. More akin to Jonestown than a political populist movement. He was a horror of a person too who was able to brainwash many who came into his orbit. I wonder how many ‘Trumpers’ are actually damaged vulnerable people, lonely perhaps, men and women who have rather lost their bearings in life? I’d be interested in the stats on that.
Which appears to be defining characteristic of Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orban, Jair Bolsonaro and . . . lest we forget . . . Boris Johnson.1 -
What’s wrong with the information?Andy_JS said:
That information is definitely not correct. UK towns and cities have better public transport than American ones, overall.Gardenwalker said:FPT, even the US does better in public transport infrastructure than the UK:
Do you have other information?
Lennon’s response was better. This chart doesn’t account for Britain’s heavy rail network or bus systems.
Nevertheless, the situation is not good.
And let’s be clear, it’s not London which has paid the price, but the 60% of the population who live outside London and the South East.
Leading, in part, to astonishingly poor economic and deprivation numbers.0 -
So basically the system worked after a minor hiccup. Nothing to see here.TheScreamingEagles said:How Reddit armchair detectives threatened to derail Lucy Letby’s trial
True crime enthusiasts broke restrictions on the reporting of names of victims and witnesses while online campaigners insist serial killer is innocent and question ‘circumstantial’ evidence
Armchair detectives threatened to derail the trial of Lucy Letby after attending almost daily and posting details on Reddit that were in contempt of court.
The trial, and a podcast relaying what was happening in court, generated enormous interest in the case and led to a maelstrom of comments online.
True crime enthusiasts were a regular presence at the trial, watching proceedings remotely from an annexe where the public gallery was situated.
All of those who attended the trial were made to sign a document saying they understood that there was an order restricting the reporting of names of victims and their parents, as well as some witnesses.
However, these restrictions were sometimes broken in threads on Reddit, the online discussion forum. It is understood that witnesses flagged this to the company, which then removed the offending posts.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lucy-letby-trial-reddit-post-vgmc0w0k80 -
Interesting to see that busted flush Sarah Palin is trolling for yet more donations and contributions to her next failed campaign for Congress in Alaska.2
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Andy’s comment was referring to the general provision of public transport. Not the limited subset used here.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Any factoids to back that up?Andy_JS said:
That information is definitely not correct. UK towns and cities have better public transport than American ones, overall.Gardenwalker said:FPT, even the US does better in public transport infrastructure than the UK:
Note that the chart is measuring large cities over 250k with trams, metro or light rail.
So what are your grounds for saying the chart is "definitely not correct"? At least before changing goal posts!1 -
No, he said the data was wrong.RobD said:
Andy’s comment was referring to the general provision of public transport. Not the limited subset used here.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Any factoids to back that up?Andy_JS said:
That information is definitely not correct. UK towns and cities have better public transport than American ones, overall.Gardenwalker said:FPT, even the US does better in public transport infrastructure than the UK:
Note that the chart is measuring large cities over 250k with trams, metro or light rail.
So what are your grounds for saying the chart is "definitely not correct"? At least before changing goal posts!0 -
ROFL it was BORIS JOHNSON who started putting those posters up when he was Mayor! He was woke before it was cool!SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.
FFS is telling the public to carry water now what we call "woke" and "nannying"? These words have lost all meaning.1 -
What’s wrong with jazz? Admittedly some of it is unlistenable but you’d have to have feet buried in concrete not to be moved by Billie Holidaykinabalu said:On Topic: I can usually at least understand things I dislike (Brexit, the Tories, jazz) but I do struggle with Donald Trump. WTF is the appeal? Emotional age of about 7. The attention span of a flea. Pig ignorant, cruel, petty, narcissistic, deeply misogynist. Funny? Sure, if your idea of humour consists exclusively of cheap digs at other people. And just so obviously out for himself and only himself.
Yet tens of millions of adult Americans are in thrall to the horrible geezer. I don’t get it. The reasons usually advanced (globalisation hurting the trad white working class, liberal elites sneering at them and their values, a feeling of abandonment by mainstream politicians); these make for good weighty articles etc but it doesn’t ring true to me as an explanation for something so bizarre.
It looks like a mass psychosis to me. More akin to Jonestown than a political populist movement. He was a horror of a person too who was able to brainwash many who came into his orbit. I wonder how many ‘Trumpers’ are actually damaged vulnerable people, lonely perhaps, men and women who have rather lost their bearings in life? I’d be interested in the stats on that.1 -
Boris Johnson took a lot of our water.CorrectHorseBat said:
ROFL it was BORIS JOHNSON who started putting those posters up when he was Mayor! He was woke before it was cool!SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.
FFS is telling the public to carry water now what we call "woke" and "nannying"? These words have lost all meaning.
Well, at least, he was always taking the piss.2 -
Labour is more trusted than the Conservatives on ALL 15 issues listed.
Which party do voters trust the most on...? (Labour | the Conservatives)
NHS (39% | 20%)
Housing (37% | 19%)
Education (37% | 21%)
The Economy (34% | 23%)
Immigration (31% | 27%)
Ukraine (28% | 26%)
11 point lead on the economy for Labour0 -
Londoners saw through him way before the rest of the country did. If he had run again he would have lost.ydoethur said:
Boris Johnson took a lot of our water.CorrectHorseBat said:
ROFL it was BORIS JOHNSON who started putting those posters up when he was Mayor! He was woke before it was cool!SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.
FFS is telling the public to carry water now what we call "woke" and "nannying"? These words have lost all meaning.
Well, at least, he was always taking the piss.0 -
But the 'other side' has no remotely similar phenomenon.noneoftheabove said:
The country is split in two and he is the supreme cheerleader for one side. Not much more to it than that really.kinabalu said:On Topic: I can usually at least understand things I dislike (Brexit, the Tories, jazz) but I do struggle with Donald Trump. WTF is the appeal? Emotional age of about 7. The attention span of a flea. Pig ignorant, cruel, petty, narcissistic, deeply misogynist. Funny? Sure, if your idea of humour consists exclusively of cheap digs at other people. And just so obviously out for himself and only himself.
Yet tens of millions of adult Americans are in thrall to the horrible geezer. I don’t get it. The reasons usually advanced (globalisation hurting the trad white working class, liberal elites sneering at them and their values, a feeling of abandonment by mainstream politicians); these make for good weighty articles etc but it doesn’t ring true to me as an explanation for something so bizarre.
It looks like a mass psychosis to me. More akin to Jonestown than a political populist movement. He was a horror of a person too who was able to brainwash many who came into his orbit. I wonder how many ‘Trumpers’ are actually damaged vulnerable people, lonely perhaps, men and women who have rather lost their bearings in life? I’d be interested in the stats on that.0 -
I know we don't agree on many things but on this I do agree. People do forget to stay hydrated even when they don't forget to eat. Hunger is a far more immediate and identifiable sensation than thirst and yet going all day witoput eating will probably do most of us very little harm. Going all day without drinking is far more serious and far more common.CorrectHorseBat said:
ROFL it was BORIS JOHNSON who started putting those posters up when he was Mayor! He was woke before it was cool!SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.
FFS is telling the public to carry water now what we call "woke" and "nannying"? These words have lost all meaning.
There are many 'nanny state' things out there. This is not one of them.1 -
The other side lives in a world of reason, not faith.kinabalu said:
But the 'other side' has no remotely similar phenomenon.noneoftheabove said:
The country is split in two and he is the supreme cheerleader for one side. Not much more to it than that really.kinabalu said:On Topic: I can usually at least understand things I dislike (Brexit, the Tories, jazz) but I do struggle with Donald Trump. WTF is the appeal? Emotional age of about 7. The attention span of a flea. Pig ignorant, cruel, petty, narcissistic, deeply misogynist. Funny? Sure, if your idea of humour consists exclusively of cheap digs at other people. And just so obviously out for himself and only himself.
Yet tens of millions of adult Americans are in thrall to the horrible geezer. I don’t get it. The reasons usually advanced (globalisation hurting the trad white working class, liberal elites sneering at them and their values, a feeling of abandonment by mainstream politicians); these make for good weighty articles etc but it doesn’t ring true to me as an explanation for something so bizarre.
It looks like a mass psychosis to me. More akin to Jonestown than a political populist movement. He was a horror of a person too who was able to brainwash many who came into his orbit. I wonder how many ‘Trumpers’ are actually damaged vulnerable people, lonely perhaps, men and women who have rather lost their bearings in life? I’d be interested in the stats on that.1 -
We know what is nanny state according to Rachel Johnson. Anything Labour does.Richard_Tyndall said:I know we don't agree on many things but on this I do agree. People do forget to stay hydrated even when they don't forget to eat. Hunger is a far more immediate and identifiable sensation than thirst and yet going all day witoput eating will probably do most of us very little harm. Going all day without drinking is far more serious and far more common.
There are many 'nanny state' things out there. This is not one of them.
Even if her brother did the same things.1 -
It's rage-bait; ignore it.CorrectHorseBat said:
ROFL it was BORIS JOHNSON who started putting those posters up when he was Mayor! He was woke before it was cool!SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.
FFS is telling the public to carry water now what we call "woke" and "nannying"? These words have lost all meaning.0 -
Londoners elected him twice. The country elected him once.CorrectHorseBat said:
Londoners saw through him way before the rest of the country did. If he had run again he would have lost.ydoethur said:
Boris Johnson took a lot of our water.CorrectHorseBat said:
ROFL it was BORIS JOHNSON who started putting those posters up when he was Mayor! He was woke before it was cool!SandyRentool said:
Change UK have suffered from the shift to a cashless a society.Taz said:
Whatever happened to them ?kle4 said:
Change UK candidate.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Rachel Johnson has never been a Lib Dem candidate.Taz said:
Written by a former Lib Dem candidate, no less.Phil said:I bring important news: advising people to stay hydrated is now woke, according to the Evening Standard.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1694595867288674392
The centrist Dad party.
FFS is telling the public to carry water now what we call "woke" and "nannying"? These words have lost all meaning.
Well, at least, he was always taking the piss.
Londoners are stupid.
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