The NHS waiting list reaches new high – politicalbetting.com

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The NHS is devolved and it is always the English NHS that is criticised, when in truth all the devolved nations are experiencing the same issues albeit Wales is run by Labour and Scotland by the SNP/Greens

Indeed Drakeford indicated yesterday of an overspend of nearly 1 billion in Wales, and suggested cuts will be needed in the Wales NHS and Education, notwithstanding that Wales receives £1.20 per head from the treasury compared to £1 in England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65616395

That reads as a desperate attempt to somehow exonerate the Conservatives.

The truth is your party has led the Government for the last thirteen years or more - apart from throwing money at it (allegedly), what have the Conservatives actually done to improve the English NHS?

As an example, in my part of London, we are constantly building new flats and increasing the population but where are the medical services to support the increased population? Where are the new Medical Centres, the new GP surgeries, the additional hospital capacity?

This is where those who argue for an unfettered planning process have it so wrong - they forget housing isn't just about four walls and a roof for someone to live but it's about all the amenities and networks supporting that new property from sewage and drainage via power to transport and medical.

All significant developments should be supported by additional infrastructure paid for and provided by the developer as a condition for granting permission - the current Section 106 arrangements are a sop, we need something with serious financial teeth.

I reject that accusation as my family and friends live here in Wales and have had terrible experiences of our NHS and our health authority are in special measures

How England performs does not affect us, but Wales certainly does and when I read of the failures in England's NHS I only have to look at ours and see the same and even worse issues

The wider point is no political party has the answer to the NHS either in England or the devolved nations

Not quite - if England's performance improves, the amount of money that is allocated to Wales will fall in line with that reduction in spending (or vice versa). You should be grateful that England is doing so badly!

I'm assuming Wales' funding works a bit likes ours in Scotland.

Wales already receives £1.20 in Barnett formula (£1 in England) and has overspent by nearly one billion and even Drakeford announced this week cuts to NHS and Education will be needed

And let's not pretend this is recent, Wales NHS has been failing for years and long before the 2019 GE

Is that adjusted for Wales having an older, poorer and more socially deprived population than England? All these, and remoteness, contribute to health care demand.

And who is responsible for that other than decades of labour in power in Wales

And why do the Welsh not vote Tory?

Good question but maybe like Scotland it is the Celtic nature of the population and especially in the South Wales valleys

Also the conservatives have a very poor leader in Wales

The Conservatives got their highest voteshare and number of AMs in the Senedd elections ever in 2021 under the leadership of Andrew RT Davies

He is a terrible leader at present

On electoral results alone RT is the greatest Welsh Conservative leader this century

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

In other news, I'm glad / alarmed / amazed to see our HST 125's, nearly fifty years old, being exported to Mexico for further service. AIUI on a new railway line:

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1689677346251395072

That's a bit weird.

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The NHS is devolved and it is always the English NHS that is criticised, when in truth all the devolved nations are experiencing the same issues albeit Wales is run by Labour and Scotland by the SNP/Greens

Indeed Drakeford indicated yesterday of an overspend of nearly 1 billion in Wales, and suggested cuts will be needed in the Wales NHS and Education, notwithstanding that Wales receives £1.20 per head from the treasury compared to £1 in England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65616395

That reads as a desperate attempt to somehow exonerate the Conservatives.

The truth is your party has led the Government for the last thirteen years or more - apart from throwing money at it (allegedly), what have the Conservatives actually done to improve the English NHS?

As an example, in my part of London, we are constantly building new flats and increasing the population but where are the medical services to support the increased population? Where are the new Medical Centres, the new GP surgeries, the additional hospital capacity?

This is where those who argue for an unfettered planning process have it so wrong - they forget housing isn't just about four walls and a roof for someone to live but it's about all the amenities and networks supporting that new property from sewage and drainage via power to transport and medical.

All significant developments should be supported by additional infrastructure paid for and provided by the developer as a condition for granting permission - the current Section 106 arrangements are a sop, we need something with serious financial teeth.

I reject that accusation as my family and friends live here in Wales and have had terrible experiences of our NHS and our health authority are in special measures

How England performs does not affect us, but Wales certainly does and when I read of the failures in England's NHS I only have to look at ours and see the same and even worse issues

The wider point is no political party has the answer to the NHS either in England or the devolved nations

Not quite - if England's performance improves, the amount of money that is allocated to Wales will fall in line with that reduction in spending (or vice versa). You should be grateful that England is doing so badly!

I'm assuming Wales' funding works a bit likes ours in Scotland.

Wales already receives £1.20 in Barnett formula (£1 in England) and has overspent by nearly one billion and even Drakeford announced this week cuts to NHS and Education will be needed

And let's not pretend this is recent, Wales NHS has been failing for years and long before the 2019 GE

Is that adjusted for Wales having an older, poorer and more socially deprived population than England? All these, and remoteness, contribute to health care demand.

And who is responsible for that other than decades of labour in power in Wales

And why do the Welsh not vote Tory?

Good question but maybe like Scotland it is the Celtic nature of the population and especially in the South Wales valleys

Also the conservatives have a very poor leader in Wales

The Conservatives got their highest voteshare and number of AMs in the Senedd elections ever in 2021 under the leadership of Andrew RT Davies

He is a terrible leader at present

On electoral results alone RT is the greatest Welsh Conservative leader this century

stodge said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The NHS is devolved and it is always the English NHS that is criticised, when in truth all the devolved nations are experiencing the same issues albeit Wales is run by Labour and Scotland by the SNP/Greens

Indeed Drakeford indicated yesterday of an overspend of nearly 1 billion in Wales, and suggested cuts will be needed in the Wales NHS and Education, notwithstanding that Wales receives £1.20 per head from the treasury compared to £1 in England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65616395

That reads as a desperate attempt to somehow exonerate the Conservatives.

The truth is your party has led the Government for the last thirteen years or more - apart from throwing money at it (allegedly), what have the Conservatives actually done to improve the English NHS?

As an example, in my part of London, we are constantly building new flats and increasing the population but where are the medical services to support the increased population? Where are the new Medical Centres, the new GP surgeries, the additional hospital capacity?

This is where those who argue for an unfettered planning process have it so wrong - they forget housing isn't just about four walls and a roof for someone to live but it's about all the amenities and networks supporting that new property from sewage and drainage via power to transport and medical.

All significant developments should be supported by additional infrastructure paid for and provided by the developer as a condition for granting permission - the current Section 106 arrangements are a sop, we need something with serious financial teeth.

I reject that accusation as my family and friends live here in Wales and have had terrible experiences of our NHS and our health authority are in special measures

How England performs does not affect us, but Wales certainly does and when I read of the failures in England's NHS I only have to look at ours and see the same and even worse issues

The wider point is no political party has the answer to the NHS either in England or the devolved nations

Not quite - if England's performance improves, the amount of money that is allocated to Wales will fall in line with that reduction in spending (or vice versa). You should be grateful that England is doing so badly!

I'm assuming Wales' funding works a bit likes ours in Scotland.

Wales already receives £1.20 in Barnett formula (£1 in England) and has overspent by nearly one billion and even Drakeford announced this week cuts to NHS and Education will be needed

And let's not pretend this is recent, Wales NHS has been failing for years and long before the 2019 GE

Is that adjusted for Wales having an older, poorer and more socially deprived population than England? All these, and remoteness, contribute to health care demand.

And who is responsible for that other than decades of labour in power in Wales

And why do the Welsh not vote Tory?

Good question but maybe like Scotland it is the Celtic nature of the population and especially in the South Wales valleys

Also the conservatives have a very poor leader in Wales

The Conservatives got their highest voteshare and number of AMs in the Senedd elections ever in 2021 under the leadership of Andrew RT Davies

He is a terrible leader at present

On electoral results alone RT is the greatest Welsh Conservative leader this century

How do you assess his performance in the 2022 local elections - a loss of 86 of 197 seats or 43% if you prefer?

Makes him a better leader than Rishi Sunak who lost only 32% of Conservative local seats this year.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The NHS is devolved and it is always the English NHS that is criticised, when in truth all the devolved nations are experiencing the same issues albeit Wales is run by Labour and Scotland by the SNP/Greens

Indeed Drakeford indicated yesterday of an overspend of nearly 1 billion in Wales, and suggested cuts will be needed in the Wales NHS and Education, notwithstanding that Wales receives £1.20 per head from the treasury compared to £1 in England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65616395

That reads as a desperate attempt to somehow exonerate the Conservatives.

The truth is your party has led the Government for the last thirteen years or more - apart from throwing money at it (allegedly), what have the Conservatives actually done to improve the English NHS?

As an example, in my part of London, we are constantly building new flats and increasing the population but where are the medical services to support the increased population? Where are the new Medical Centres, the new GP surgeries, the additional hospital capacity?

This is where those who argue for an unfettered planning process have it so wrong - they forget housing isn't just about four walls and a roof for someone to live but it's about all the amenities and networks supporting that new property from sewage and drainage via power to transport and medical.

All significant developments should be supported by additional infrastructure paid for and provided by the developer as a condition for granting permission - the current Section 106 arrangements are a sop, we need something with serious financial teeth.

I reject that accusation as my family and friends live here in Wales and have had terrible experiences of our NHS and our health authority are in special measures

How England performs does not affect us, but Wales certainly does and when I read of the failures in England's NHS I only have to look at ours and see the same and even worse issues

The wider point is no political party has the answer to the NHS either in England or the devolved nations

Not quite - if England's performance improves, the amount of money that is allocated to Wales will fall in line with that reduction in spending (or vice versa). You should be grateful that England is doing so badly!

I'm assuming Wales' funding works a bit likes ours in Scotland.

Wales already receives £1.20 in Barnett formula (£1 in England) and has overspent by nearly one billion and even Drakeford announced this week cuts to NHS and Education will be needed

And let's not pretend this is recent, Wales NHS has been failing for years and long before the 2019 GE

Is that adjusted for Wales having an older, poorer and more socially deprived population than England? All these, and remoteness, contribute to health care demand.

And who is responsible for that other than decades of labour in power in Wales

And why do the Welsh not vote Tory?

Good question but maybe like Scotland it is the Celtic nature of the population and especially in the South Wales valleys

Also the conservatives have a very poor leader in Wales

The Conservatives got their highest voteshare and number of AMs in the Senedd elections ever in 2021 under the leadership of Andrew RT Davies

He is a terrible leader at present

On electoral results alone RT is the greatest Welsh Conservative leader this century

He isn't right now when it matters

Miklosvar said:

BlancheLivermore said:

There's a thing called Cinema Paradiso which for mail users of it is like a DVD library

Out of the 1,600 or so houses I deliver to in Marlborough there are two active subscribers

They're both young men. One of them is called Kane

The other, I kid you fucking not, is called Abel

I tell people this as one of my markers of how much I like them

If you're not struck by the unlikeliness and beauty of this coincidence, then you need rewiring

Please don't do this. Unless it's an equivalence thing, and the real names are Jekyll and Hyde. Names are googleable and Marlborough is small.

Foxy said:

LostPassword said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

LostPassword said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Stocky said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Omnium said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Omnium said:

So easy to be first these days! TSE must have his keys taken away!

I've been on holiday for the past week.

So... you go on holiday, and nothing happens ... I mean zip, niento, bugger all, not a thing! Mike pops down to Waitrose ...!

I'm still reeling from paying £9 for a 750 ml bottle of water in London.

And you paid it? Bottled water, rather than tap, is for those with more money than sense at any price.

Comes oot the tap fur nu'hin.
Nothing brings out my inner Scotsman quite like being asked to pay for water.

The problem is that, if you have got used to delicious fresh well water, then you will struggle with chlorinated town water.

Our recent trip to Bath was marred by the disgusting tap water. This was a fairly strange experience for a born and bred Londoner, who had fallen ill on a Scout trip to Galway as a teenager because the chlorine was missing from the water (not actually a diagnosis, but whatevs).

Is it acceptable to ask for a drink of the tap water when looking at a house for sale?

It all tastes the same if it's cold.

It really, really doesn't.

Blind taste testing says it does:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30189556/

LostPassword said:

Foxy said:

LostPassword said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

LostPassword said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Stocky said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Omnium said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Omnium said:

So easy to be first these days! TSE must have his keys taken away!

I've been on holiday for the past week.

So... you go on holiday, and nothing happens ... I mean zip, niento, bugger all, not a thing! Mike pops down to Waitrose ...!

I'm still reeling from paying £9 for a 750 ml bottle of water in London.

And you paid it? Bottled water, rather than tap, is for those with more money than sense at any price.

Comes oot the tap fur nu'hin.
Nothing brings out my inner Scotsman quite like being asked to pay for water.

The problem is that, if you have got used to delicious fresh well water, then you will struggle with chlorinated town water.

Our recent trip to Bath was marred by the disgusting tap water. This was a fairly strange experience for a born and bred Londoner, who had fallen ill on a Scout trip to Galway as a teenager because the chlorine was missing from the water (not actually a diagnosis, but whatevs).

Is it acceptable to ask for a drink of the tap water when looking at a house for sale?

It all tastes the same if it's cold.

It really, really doesn't.

Blind taste testing says it does:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30189556/

I wasn't talking about bottled water though. I was talking about the fresh water from the well we have here.

LostPassword said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Stocky said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Omnium said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Omnium said:

So easy to be first these days! TSE must have his keys taken away!

I've been on holiday for the past week.

So... you go on holiday, and nothing happens ... I mean zip, niento, bugger all, not a thing! Mike pops down to Waitrose ...!

I'm still reeling from paying £9 for a 750 ml bottle of water in London.

And you paid it? Bottled water, rather than tap, is for those with more money than sense at any price.

Comes oot the tap fur nu'hin.
Nothing brings out my inner Scotsman quite like being asked to pay for water.

The problem is that, if you have got used to delicious fresh well water, then you will struggle with chlorinated town water.

Our recent trip to Bath was marred by the disgusting tap water. This was a fairly strange experience for a born and bred Londoner, who had fallen ill on a Scout trip to Galway as a teenager because the chlorine was missing from the water (not actually a diagnosis, but whatevs).

Is it acceptable to ask for a drink of the tap water when looking at a house for sale?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The NHS is devolved and it is always the English NHS that is criticised, when in truth all the devolved nations are experiencing the same issues albeit Wales is run by Labour and Scotland by the SNP/Greens

Indeed Drakeford indicated yesterday of an overspend of nearly 1 billion in Wales, and suggested cuts will be needed in the Wales NHS and Education, notwithstanding that Wales receives £1.20 per head from the treasury compared to £1 in England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65616395

That reads as a desperate attempt to somehow exonerate the Conservatives.

The truth is your party has led the Government for the last thirteen years or more - apart from throwing money at it (allegedly), what have the Conservatives actually done to improve the English NHS?

As an example, in my part of London, we are constantly building new flats and increasing the population but where are the medical services to support the increased population? Where are the new Medical Centres, the new GP surgeries, the additional hospital capacity?

This is where those who argue for an unfettered planning process have it so wrong - they forget housing isn't just about four walls and a roof for someone to live but it's about all the amenities and networks supporting that new property from sewage and drainage via power to transport and medical.

All significant developments should be supported by additional infrastructure paid for and provided by the developer as a condition for granting permission - the current Section 106 arrangements are a sop, we need something with serious financial teeth.

I reject that accusation as my family and friends live here in Wales and have had terrible experiences of our NHS and our health authority are in special measures

How England performs does not affect us, but Wales certainly does and when I read of the failures in England's NHS I only have to look at ours and see the same and even worse issues

The wider point is no political party has the answer to the NHS either in England or the devolved nations

Not quite - if England's performance improves, the amount of money that is allocated to Wales will fall in line with that reduction in spending (or vice versa). You should be grateful that England is doing so badly!

I'm assuming Wales' funding works a bit likes ours in Scotland.

Wales already receives £1.20 in Barnett formula (£1 in England) and has overspent by nearly one billion and even Drakeford announced this week cuts to NHS and Education will be needed

And let's not pretend this is recent, Wales NHS has been failing for years and long before the 2019 GE

I wasn't disagreeing, just pointing out that there is a link between NHS spending in England and the funding available to the Welsh Government.

Yes and I understand that and it applies to Scotland, but my concern is for my family and friends who are treated by Wales NHS and in the last 3 months a relative of my son in law had a botched routine operation and contacted sepsis, and died within a couple of weeks of the operation to the distress of his family

I have also learned today that the husband of a neighbour also went in for a routine operation a couple of days ago and the surgeon damaged his bowel and he very ill at present

To me the problem is right across the UK health services and while the English will attack the conservatives for their inability to resolve the issues, we are entitled to attack those in Wales equally responsible which is Wales Labour

A 35 year old GP friend of mine has just had a stroke due to medical negligence by an anaesthetist. That was in Australia.

Complications are not necessarily down to negligence. As the surgical dictum goes " the only way to have no complications is to never operate". Surgery is like any medical care about taking a balance of risk and benefit for treatment vs no treatment.

I don't think England or Wales is systemically worse at misdiagnosis or errors than other countries. International comparison is difficult, but some have tried to do this:

"The countries where hospital incidents are more prone to occur are Latvia (32%), Denmark (29%), and Poland (28%), while the countries where prescribed medication errors are more frequent are Latvia (23%) and Denmark (21%), Estonia and Malta (18% each).

Within the most accurate healthcare providers from Europe, Austria, Germany, and Hungary are having the least numbers of medical errors in hospitals (11%) and the lowest number of medical prescription errors (7%)."

"Annually, almost 12 million American people in need for outpatient medical care services are misdiagnosed, meaning that 1 out of 20 people has not been provided with the correct diagnosis.

Studies show that from the total of 12 million people misdiagnosed, between 10% and 20% are patients that present serious conditions, and 44% out of them have actually types of cancers that are misdiagnosed. The most commonly misdiagnosed are Prostate cancer, Thyroid cancer, and Breast cancer. Moreover, 28% of the misdiagnoses are life-threatening or, even, life-altering and can lead to unnecessary treatments, increased costs, physical and emotional stress, and in worst case scenarios even death."

https://icloudhospital.com/articles/global-misdiagnosis-insides-medical-error-statistics-by-countries

This is our health board and it is understandable why there is widespread anger and dismay about it

BBC News - Betsi Cadwaladr: NHS health board back in special measures
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64788234

BlancheLivermore said:

LostPassword said:

BlancheLivermore said:

Miklosvar said:

BlancheLivermore said:

There's a thing called Cinema Paradiso which for mail users of it is like a DVD library

Out of the 1,600 or so houses I deliver to in Marlborough there are two active subscribers

They're both young men. One of them is called Kane

The other, I kid you fucking not, is called Abel

I tell people this as one of my markers of how much I like them

If you're not struck by the unlikeliness and beauty of this coincidence, then you need rewiring

Please don't do this. Unless it's an equivalence thing, and the real names are Jekyll and Hyde. Names are googleable and Marlborough is small.

You set me up beautifully

I do have a Jacqueline Hide on my route

And a Raymond Scarr

Am I a real postie, or Terry Wogan's ghost?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we shouldn't centralise all the information on government databases into one central database.

I've spoken with both Mrs Hide and Mr Scarr. Neither minds me telling people about their funny names coming from Marlborough

Nor do Abel's Mum or Kane's Dad

I don't have it in writing, but I doubt I'll need it

OnlyLivingBoy said:

JosiasJessop said:

In other news, I'm glad / alarmed / amazed to see our HST 125's, nearly fifty years old, being exported to Mexico for further service. AIUI on a new railway line:

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1689677346251395072

Best trains ever built in this country...

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

In other news, I'm glad / alarmed / amazed to see our HST 125's, nearly fifty years old, being exported to Mexico for further service. AIUI on a new railway line:

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1689677346251395072

I raise you the 1972 Stock on the Bakerloo Line, already 51 years old!

Fairliered said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

In other news, I'm glad / alarmed / amazed to see our HST 125's, nearly fifty years old, being exported to Mexico for further service. AIUI on a new railway line:

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1689677346251395072

I raise you the 1972 Stock on the Bakerloo Line, already 51 years old!

If they can last another 20 years, they’ll be old enough to send to the Isle Of Wight.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Fairliered said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

In other news, I'm glad / alarmed / amazed to see our HST 125's, nearly fifty years old, being exported to Mexico for further service. AIUI on a new railway line:

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1689677346251395072

I raise you the 1972 Stock on the Bakerloo Line, already 51 years old!

If they can last another 20 years, they’ll be old enough to send to the Isle Of Wight.

Well, the current trains there, converted from D-stock (1978), are only 45 years old!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_484

BlancheLivermore said:

Miklosvar said:

BlancheLivermore said:

There's a thing called Cinema Paradiso which for mail users of it is like a DVD library

Out of the 1,600 or so houses I deliver to in Marlborough there are two active subscribers

They're both young men. One of them is called Kane

The other, I kid you fucking not, is called Abel

I tell people this as one of my markers of how much I like them

If you're not struck by the unlikeliness and beauty of this coincidence, then you need rewiring

Please don't do this. Unless it's an equivalence thing, and the real names are Jekyll and Hyde. Names are googleable and Marlborough is small.

Is the statement "There is a young man called Abel who lives somewhere in or around Marlborough" really problematic?

Miklosvar said:

Miklosvar said:

BlancheLivermore said:

Miklosvar said:

BlancheLivermore said:

There's a thing called Cinema Paradiso which for mail users of it is like a DVD library

Out of the 1,600 or so houses I deliver to in Marlborough there are two active subscribers

They're both young men. One of them is called Kane

The other, I kid you fucking not, is called Abel

I tell people this as one of my markers of how much I like them

If you're not struck by the unlikeliness and beauty of this coincidence, then you need rewiring

Please don't do this. Unless it's an equivalence thing, and the real names are Jekyll and Hyde. Names are googleable and Marlborough is small.

Also..

There are several young men called Kane around here

About as many as there are Richards

There is only one Abel that I've seen

Is the statement "There is a young man called Abel who lives somewhere in or around Marlborough" really problematic?

Am I helping the people hunting down someone called Abel?

Who the fuck is hunting down Abel on PB?

Fucking hell, mate, I'm not fussed, if my data get leaked 50 times over I am intensely relaxed about 50 groups of people knowing that I am Tarquin Smith of 14 Railway Cuttings, if people didn't know that how would the mail ever get to me? Other people, on the other hand, are, including (and this is my point) your employers.

I mean, I don't know if the white pages telephone directory is still printed and distributed, but back in the day when a new edition came out the broadsheets didn't lead on GPO IN MASSIVE DATA LEAK

And cf all this knicker wetting about ID cards, OMG my NI number and GP surgery are going to be ON THE SAME DATABASE IT'S LIKE 1984 COME EARLY

Foxy said:

ECOWAS has authorised action against the coup in Niger, and it sounds as if Nigeria will be acting militarily.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1689674900829618176?t=LYBNsnx2vpIx3kUg0Sqahg&s=19

HYUFD said:

DavidL said:

rcs1000 said:

Fairliered said:

Waiting lists can only get higher over the winter. It could be this time next year before they start falling - if they do even then. Another nail in the Tories coffin.

Not if all the people on them died.

Are you kidding? Those in danger of death are the only supporters the Tories have left!

And Leavers and Hindus

Casino_Royale said:

@ohnotnow the Australian and German models look most interesting to me based on that analysis.

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The NHS is devolved and it is always the English NHS that is criticised, when in truth all the devolved nations are experiencing the same issues albeit Wales is run by Labour and Scotland by the SNP/Greens

Indeed Drakeford indicated yesterday of an overspend of nearly 1 billion in Wales, and suggested cuts will be needed in the Wales NHS and Education, notwithstanding that Wales receives £1.20 per head from the treasury compared to £1 in England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65616395

That reads as a desperate attempt to somehow exonerate the Conservatives.

The truth is your party has led the Government for the last thirteen years or more - apart from throwing money at it (allegedly), what have the Conservatives actually done to improve the English NHS?

As an example, in my part of London, we are constantly building new flats and increasing the population but where are the medical services to support the increased population? Where are the new Medical Centres, the new GP surgeries, the additional hospital capacity?

This is where those who argue for an unfettered planning process have it so wrong - they forget housing isn't just about four walls and a roof for someone to live but it's about all the amenities and networks supporting that new property from sewage and drainage via power to transport and medical.

All significant developments should be supported by additional infrastructure paid for and provided by the developer as a condition for granting permission - the current Section 106 arrangements are a sop, we need something with serious financial teeth.

I reject that accusation as my family and friends live here in Wales and have had terrible experiences of our NHS and our health authority are in special measures

How England performs does not affect us, but Wales certainly does and when I read of the failures in England's NHS I only have to look at ours and see the same and even worse issues

The wider point is no political party has the answer to the NHS either in England or the devolved nations

Not quite - if England's performance improves, the amount of money that is allocated to Wales will fall in line with that reduction in spending (or vice versa). You should be grateful that England is doing so badly!

I'm assuming Wales' funding works a bit likes ours in Scotland.

Wales already receives £1.20 in Barnett formula (£1 in England) and has overspent by nearly one billion and even Drakeford announced this week cuts to NHS and Education will be needed

And let's not pretend this is recent, Wales NHS has been failing for years and long before the 2019 GE

I wasn't disagreeing, just pointing out that there is a link between NHS spending in England and the funding available to the Welsh Government.

Yes and I understand that and it applies to Scotland, but my concern is for my family and friends who are treated by Wales NHS and in the last 3 months a relative of my son in law had a botched routine operation and contacted sepsis, and died within a couple of weeks of the operation to the distress of his family

I have also learned today that the husband of a neighbour also went in for a routine operation a couple of days ago and the surgeon damaged his bowel and he very ill at present

To me the problem is right across the UK health services and while the English will attack the conservatives for their inability to resolve the issues, we are entitled to attack those in Wales equally responsible which is Wales Labour

A 35 year old GP friend of mine has just had a stroke due to medical negligence by an anaesthetist. That was in Australia.

Complications are not necessarily down to negligence. As the surgical dictum goes " the only way to have no complications is to never operate". Surgery is like any medical care about taking a balance of risk and benefit for treatment vs no treatment.

I don't think England or Wales is systemically worse at misdiagnosis or errors than other countries. International comparison is difficult, but some have tried to do this:

"The countries where hospital incidents are more prone to occur are Latvia (32%), Denmark (29%), and Poland (28%), while the countries where prescribed medication errors are more frequent are Latvia (23%) and Denmark (21%), Estonia and Malta (18% each).

Within the most accurate healthcare providers from Europe, Austria, Germany, and Hungary are having the least numbers of medical errors in hospitals (11%) and the lowest number of medical prescription errors (7%)."

"Annually, almost 12 million American people in need for outpatient medical care services are misdiagnosed, meaning that 1 out of 20 people has not been provided with the correct diagnosis.

Studies show that from the total of 12 million people misdiagnosed, between 10% and 20% are patients that present serious conditions, and 44% out of them have actually types of cancers that are misdiagnosed. The most commonly misdiagnosed are Prostate cancer, Thyroid cancer, and Breast cancer. Moreover, 28% of the misdiagnoses are life-threatening or, even, life-altering and can lead to unnecessary treatments, increased costs, physical and emotional stress, and in worst case scenarios even death."

https://icloudhospital.com/articles/global-misdiagnosis-insides-medical-error-statistics-by-countries

This is our health board and it is understandable why there is widespread anger and dismay about it

BBC News - Betsi Cadwaladr: NHS health board back in special measures
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64788234

If you want to compare quality of care by NHS Trust, probably the best indicator is the SHMI (Standardised Hospital Mortality Index. This is the number of deaths encountered vs expected, adjusted for age and social deprivation).

Recent figures are a bit affected by covid, but this was 2019 in England:

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:59f39d5f-d22d-422b-9a85-18c35a7cb982

I haven't yet found comparable figures for Wales.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

HYUFD said:

DavidL said:

rcs1000 said:

Fairliered said:

Waiting lists can only get higher over the winter. It could be this time next year before they start falling - if they do even then. Another nail in the Tories coffin.

Not if all the people on them died.

Are you kidding? Those in danger of death are the only supporters the Tories have left!

And Leavers and Hindus

Hindus slightly favour Labour in fact.

Ghedebrav said:

Cicero said:

Foxy said:

ECOWAS has authorised action against the coup in Niger, and it sounds as if Nigeria will be acting militarily.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1689674900829618176?t=LYBNsnx2vpIx3kUg0Sqahg&s=19

If true, that will certainly upset the Wagnerites, not to mention the cretins on Russian media channels that cheer lead for thuggish neo-fascism.

It is hard to see this ending well.

slade said:

Lib Dem gain in Somerset. Expected but big swing.

rottenborough said:

Michelle Obama could be America's next President

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/10/2024-election-barack-obama-michelle-joe-biden-us-politics/

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet cancelled by DeSantis’s ‘don’t say gay’ law
Florida school district cites 'pre-marital sex' as reason to ban students studying play
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/09/william-shakespeare-cancelled-romeo-and-juliet-ron-desantis/ (£££)

Monksfield said:

So as a politics geek I was thrilled to pass this afternoon, in a matter of a few miles, through Bretton Woods then Hart’s Location. Whilst the Mount Washington Hotel at the former was visible from afar, I didn’t find anywhere where I could get a photo in front of a sign at the latter. Heaven knows where they go to vote, it was all forest….

Anyway I recommend the drive up Mount Washington, fab views.

Pulpstar said:

StillWaters said:

Andy_JS said:

rottenborough said:

Michelle Obama could be America's next President

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/10/2024-election-barack-obama-michelle-joe-biden-us-politics/

She'd be a good president IMO. Hope it happens.

She’s said she’s not interested. There’s no evidence ever to suggest she would be interested. Don’t waste your hope

The absolute state of these puff pieces. Toby Young was adamant Gavin Newsom would be the nominee a few weeks back

Benpointer said:

"The big NHS news this afternoon is that the NHS waiting list in England is now almost at 8m – the highest level yet."

But where is this big news being reported? BBC? No. Guardian? No. Very strange.

Andy_JS said:

I can't believe "Barbenheimer" has its own Wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbenheimer

bondegezou said:

nico679 said:

No party will go near the NHS in terms of a major reform . Its too dangerous to their election chances . You can get away with more people treated in the private sector to help lower waiting lists but you’re not asking people to pay anything extra or making fundamental changes to the model .

The French system whilst not perfect has many areas that the British could learn from and its public private model works well.

The private isn’t what many would properly class as in the true sense of the term . It’s non-profit based in the main .

Both main parties have made major reforms to the NHS.

The French system spends more money per person. To quote the ONS:

“In 2017, the UK spent £2,989 per person on healthcare, which was around the median for members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development: OECD (£2,913 per person).

“However, of the G7 group of large, developed economies, UK healthcare spending per person was the second-lowest, with the highest spenders being France (£3,737), Germany (£4,432) and the United States (£7,736).”

LostPassword said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet cancelled by DeSantis’s ‘don’t say gay’ law
Florida school district cites 'pre-marital sex' as reason to ban students studying play
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/09/william-shakespeare-cancelled-romeo-and-juliet-ron-desantis/ (£££)

I thought it was the woke who were wanting to ban the classics for offending someone or other. Who would have thought the anti-wokists were a bunch of hypocrites and authoritarians? I'm sure none of us saw that coming.

ydoethur said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

bondegezou said:

nico679 said:

No party will go near the NHS in terms of a major reform . Its too dangerous to their election chances . You can get away with more people treated in the private sector to help lower waiting lists but you’re not asking people to pay anything extra or making fundamental changes to the model .

The French system whilst not perfect has many areas that the British could learn from and its public private model works well.

The private isn’t what many would properly class as in the true sense of the term . It’s non-profit based in the main .

Both main parties have made major reforms to the NHS.

The French system spends more money per person. To quote the ONS:

“In 2017, the UK spent £2,989 per person on healthcare, which was around the median for members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development: OECD (£2,913 per person).

“However, of the G7 group of large, developed economies, UK healthcare spending per person was the second-lowest, with the highest spenders being France (£3,737), Germany (£4,432) and the United States (£7,736).”

Always worth bearing in mind how staggeringly inefficient the US private healthcare system is, but certainly there are things to learn from France and Germany. If I felt the Tories could be trusted I would be happier breaking with some of the NHS shiboleths, but my concern is once you go down the route of some insurance component and a more mixed provision the Tories are going to fuck the whole thing up and sell things to their pals or to well financed US private equity groups, like they fuck up everything they get their avaricious, incompetent and corrupt little hands on. Making the NHS into our state religion may be the only way to protect it from utter destruction next time they get into power.

Or alternatively, may make reforms so difficult the whole thing implodes and whoever is in power can have a free hand with the remains of it (and Labour are just as capable of selling things to their chums and can be even more avaricious, incompetent and corrupt. This is about politicians not particular parties).

Dogma is the enemy of good public sector provision, regardless of whose dogma we are talking about.

MaxPB said:

I think we're probably the only country in the world that would produce two competing GDP figures that are wildly different on the same day. Loads of people this morning asking the same question, "is it 0.4% or 0.9%?" I'm going with 0.4% but other people suggest the 0.9% is probably a more accurate reflection of where we are because the monthly index has proved itself better with fewer revisions than the quarterly number.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MaxPB said:

I think we're probably the only country in the world that would produce two competing GDP figures that are wildly different on the same day. Loads of people this morning asking the same question, "is it 0.4% or 0.9%?" I'm going with 0.4% but other people suggest the 0.9% is probably a more accurate reflection of where we are because the monthly index has proved itself better with fewer revisions than the quarterly number.

Er it's 0.2% for q/q growth in Q2, not 0.4% or 0.9%. Not sure what you mean about competing measures either. The monthly and quarterly data are consistent with each other.

kle4 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet cancelled by DeSantis’s ‘don’t say gay’ law
Florida school district cites 'pre-marital sex' as reason to ban students studying play
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/09/william-shakespeare-cancelled-romeo-and-juliet-ron-desantis/ (£££)

I saw something online about some evangelical pastors getting worried as they apparently quote from things like the sermon on the mount and get angry parishioners coming up to them asking where this lefty liberal crap is coming from. When told its Jesus it apparently doesn't shake the angry people.

Just an anecdote, but amusing if true.

• Aggressive warnings about police action if I watch TV
  
• Deliberately misleading about what you can watch without one
  
• You can only cancel it 14 days in advance (convinced this is so people forget)
  
• I have to provide proof that I am moving away (so I'm sending them my visa ?!)
  

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Good morning

I expect this will trigger some

https://twitter.com/GavinCurnow/status/1689602285909737472?t=3Mxz2FMI8uHkV8iKp9JjPw&s=19

Hmm, it's not far off defamation, that tweet.

Eabhal said:

Trying to cancel my TV licence and get a refund (moving away).

• Aggressive warnings about police action if I watch TV
  
• Deliberately misleading about what you can watch without one
  
• You can only cancel it 14 days in advance (convinced this is so people forget)
  
• I have to provide proof that I am moving away (so I'm sending them my visa ?!)
  

I'm never getting a TV licence again.

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