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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,099
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    It’s an unwinnable war. We can’t stop AI

    But bravo to them for trying. I’ve heard rumours the strike might last til January - or beyond. That’s huge
    If AI spreads and takes jobs without replacement then we will be back to the 1970s in terms of strikes too, workers aren't go to accept most jobs being taken over by AI, certainly without a big UBI funded by a massive robot/AI tax on corporations
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832
    DougSeal said:

    Agreed with "pointless" insofar as it's a one horse race. But the Prem is going that way I fear. At some point the the Old Firm duopoly is going to look like a bastion of open competition.
    I don't believe Man City's hegemony will last. Other EPL sides also have huge resources: like Newcastle and Chelsea

    And Man Utd will be back: their brand is too big and too good

    I have no idea how any German team can ever compete with Bayern. The Germans' much-praised 50+1 structure largely prevents moneyed owners from buying in and injecting lots of cash
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    HYUFD said:

    Unless convicted and jailed next year (in which case the RNC would change the rules if necessary and pick a new candidate) he will likely be the GOP candidate
    I don't disagree, but my comment stands.
  • ydoethur said:

    He was acting as a carer in a home would. What's alarming is how he didn't grasp in a school you have a very different sort of relationship which has very different boundaries. Which makes him, in my book, an utter fool.

    Also, though, that thing about 'different relationships' applies with more force to an inspector. How would any parent feel if they saw a complete stranger patting their child's head and shoulder? I'm guessing they wouldn't automatically think 'oh, how nice to see somebody helping my child.'

    I mean, I've worked in a school where I had to blow the whistle on a paedophile and even he wouldn't have done that. (Admittedly, that might have been because it would have been too obvious.)
    In the days before we saw paedophiles lurking round every corner, it might be more normal. For instance, here is a 1976 Green Cross Code advert where Alvin Stardust admonishes two girls.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKQO6BVzyA
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,485
    Mr Leon, Borussia Dortmund could've won last time. They had the chance.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,099
    edited August 2023
    Dura_Ace said:

    There isn't enough time to jail and convict. 154 days until the Iowa caucus.
    Even if he wins most delegates in the primaries and caucuses the GOP nominee isn't chosen until next July at the convention in Milwaukee and the court cases start in March and May. Before the convention the RNC can change the rules and do a deal behind closed doors to get delegates to switch to a new candidate
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,349

    "That section of the Labour party who wear a lot of badges"

    A very good observation - I always try to give them a wide berth at any party meetings.

    Unless you were referring to "Boy Scouts for Labour"?
    As long as they're not wearing this one. Bloody Nazis, ruined the swastika for everyone.


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,485
    edited August 2023
    Mr. Divvie, I've got a 19202ish* copy of the Jungle Book with a little swastika on the front.

    *Edited: 1922.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,577

    As long as they're not wearing this one. Bloody Nazis, ruined the swastika for everyone.


    Shouldn’t the Crooked Cross have one of points at the top. As it is it’s ‘just’ a Hindu symbol.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,539
    HYUFD said:

    So we can demand more productivity from public sector unions and their workers before they get a pay rise then
    Well life isn't as simple as that as you well know. But I think it is fairly well accepted that a stable economy runs best when there is positive but very modest inflation (so as to avoid deflation which gets you into another spiral) and wages exceed inflation due to improvements in productivity and technology resulting in better standards of living.

    Individually each union/employee and employer negotiate for what is best for both of them.

    Do you agree with the basic premise in the post I made though?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832
    HYUFD said:

    If AI spreads and takes jobs without replacement then we will be back to the 1970s in terms of strikes too, workers aren't go to accept most jobs being taken over by AI, certainly without a big UBI funded by a massive robot/AI tax on corporations
    Strikes aren't going to stop AI, any more than loom-smashing stopped the industrial revolution

    News just the last couple of days:

    "Is AI a threat to the world of fabric design?"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66437928


    "Google and Universal Music working on licensing voices for AI-generated songs"

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/09/google-and-universal-music-working-on-licensing-voices-for-ai-generated-songs

    "It’s already way beyond what humans can do’: will AI wipe out architects?"

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture

    My favourite:

    "AI replacing psychics as 'fortune telling' droids put tarot readers out of work"

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/ai-replacing-psychics-fortune-telling-30659524


    It is time to be afraid. Very very afraid
  • HYUFD said:

    So we can demand more productivity from public sector unions and their workers before they get a pay rise then
    That's been done.

    Over the past decade the public sector has become more productive. The share of expenditure of taxes going to public sector wages has gone down, not up, over the past decade.

    What has gone up is the share of expenditure of taxes going to welfare. Which is not going to those who are unemployed, which is half the rate it was in 2010. Its not going to those in dire need of it, which has been cut to the bone, but still welfare expenditure is higher now than it was when Labour left office. And is going up more annually.

    How do you make any sense of that? And what productivity is meant to drive or make that affordable?
  • Commiserations to those PBers who will never get the opportunity to receive one of the new commemorative 50p coins in their change.

    What's change?

    And why would we want one of those?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832
    Not looking good for flint knappers either, TBH


    "Stone Carving is done.

    Robots can do the work 100x faster and 1000x more accurate

    AI/Machines will enhance and come for creative jobs.

    Would you buy a statue carved by a robot?"

    https://twitter.com/LinusEkenstam/status/1689585394780708869?s=20
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,950
    Leon said:

    The 2024 POTUS election will be the first election that, potentially, will be won by AI deciding the outcome. The ways it can be used to sway voters are so manifold and powerful

    I see AI is already destroying publishing.




    Reminds me of this Spectator article - possibly written under a fake name by a bot - which predicted this. Many scoffed at the time

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-is-the-end-of-writing/

    I know Leon and his Speccie plagiarist predicted the AI apocalypse, but even more uncanny is the unerring accuracy of meteorological-betting.com pundit TimS, he of the fortnight-advance warning of last July’s 40C.

    Right on time the British weather has changed. Even here in Dublin where I’m spending a couple of days it’s warm and
    sunny. The proper heatwave should really get going mid next week.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    Pence's people are falling out over the Trump coup plot.

    https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1689046810642219008
    After former Pence Adviser Keith Kellogg endorses Trump and criticizes Pence for “his recent actions regarding President Trump”, Marc Short shows
    @wolfblitzer email from Kellogg on Jan 6 2021 telling him and VP to “finish the Electoral College issue TONIGHT.”
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381
    JPJ2 said:

    I expect Labour to win Rutherglen based on enough SNP supporters abstaining as there seems no clear way forward to independence, coupled with a collapsing Tory vote decamping en masse to Labour in opposition to independence.

    However, I think it likely that Labour will drift out from 1.11 as the Labour candidate Shanks tries to urge people to vote for his party in spite of him opposing Labour's policy on Brexit, the 2 child benefit cap, and the GRR bill (and no doubt other issues to come). Increasing Scotland's Labour MPs from 1 to 2 is unlikely to convince many that he can change Labour's UK policies.

    Flynn is likely to prove to be a better campaigner than Murray or Sarwar, no matter how much BBC Scotland and most of the media campaign for Shanks.

    Does anyone seriously believe Starmer will retain the 2 child benefit cap once he's in office? Labour will probably ditch it within a few months of being in office once they don't have to worry about frightening the horses.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Shouldn’t the Crooked Cross have one of points at the top. As it is it’s ‘just’ a Hindu symbol.
    Iron (possibly Bronze) Age Yorkshire Hindus?

    http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/swastikastone.htm
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Shouldn’t the Crooked Cross have one of points at the top. As it is it’s ‘just’ a Hindu symbol.
    Usually, yes, but it was not hard and fast; the SA liked to have it square rig.

    https://www.agefotostock.com/age/en/details-photo/nuremberg-rally-1933-in-nuremberg-germany-members-of-the-sturmabteilung-sa-with-banners-deutschland-erwache-germany/PAH-47792659
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    HYUFD said:

    So we can demand more productivity from public sector unions and their workers before they get a pay rise then
    What more do you want them to do? Coppers picking up litter? Firefighters filling in potholes? Council office staff mowing lawns?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Leon said:

    Strikes aren't going to stop AI, any more than loom-smashing stopped the industrial revolution

    News just the last couple of days:

    "Is AI a threat to the world of fabric design?"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66437928


    "Google and Universal Music working on licensing voices for AI-generated songs"

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/09/google-and-universal-music-working-on-licensing-voices-for-ai-generated-songs

    "It’s already way beyond what humans can do’: will AI wipe out architects?"

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture

    My favourite:

    "AI replacing psychics as 'fortune telling' droids put tarot readers out of work"

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/ai-replacing-psychics-fortune-telling-30659524


    It is time to be afraid. Very very afraid
    Did you see my post about AI in NZ? I'd be very afraid of its recipes.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,163
    Slim pickings in local by-elections today. There is a Res defence in Havering, a Con defence in Somerset, and a Green defence in Wychavon.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    In the days before we saw paedophiles lurking round every corner, it might be more normal. For instance, here is a 1976 Green Cross Code advert where Alvin Stardust admonishes two girls.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKQO6BVzyA
    Stardust got the gig, no reason at the time not to give it to Glitter, so perhaps our greater circumspection is justified.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,233

    The problem wasn't council housing it was council estates.

    And by 1980 they had become associated with slums in the sky and edge of conurbation sink estates or in the worst cases slums in the sky in edge of conurbation sink estates.

    There are likely votes for any party which advocates increasing the size of every village by 2% by building a few council semis in it and to be reserved for local people.
    Building them as ugly as possible didn’t help.

    And no, it doesn’t cost the Earth to make buildings that don’t physically hurt the eyes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,099

    That's been done.

    Over the past decade the public sector has become more productive. The share of expenditure of taxes going to public sector wages has gone down, not up, over the past decade.

    What has gone up is the share of expenditure of taxes going to welfare. Which is not going to those who are unemployed, which is half the rate it was in 2010. Its not going to those in dire need of it, which has been cut to the bone, but still welfare expenditure is higher now than it was when Labour left office. And is going up more annually.

    How do you make any sense of that? And what productivity is meant to drive or make that affordable?
    'In the 22 years from 1997 to 2019, public sector productivity rose by just 3.7 per cent, yet public sector staff got pay awards based on comparisons with a private sector that was doing a lot better at raising output per person.


    Real state output soared under Labour from 1997 to 2009 by a massive 50 per cent , but productivity fell 2 per cent over the 12 years. Under the Conservatives pre-Covid, output was up again by a more restrained 8 per cent, with productivity edging ahead to show a 3.7 per cent gain since 1997. By the end of 2021 output was up again by almost a tenth but productivity was down on 1997 levels by 3.7 per cent. So over nearly a quarter of a century of fast automation and technical advance in the wider economy, the UK public sector saw a fall in productivity. '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/05/falling-public-sector-productivity-real-national-crisis/

    Pensioners who get the state pension mostly paid in when working via National Insurance and you can't get the state pension without sufficient NI contributions or credits
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,349

    Shouldn’t the Crooked Cross have one of points at the top. As it is it’s ‘just’ a Hindu symbol.
    Strictly speaking yes, but since I'm an awkward sod (though this one is reversed)..



    The swastika really was a commonly used symbol before the Nazis appropriated it (I believe the Finnish airforce incorporated it into their insignia till quite recently). It's made a little piquant in the Scouts' case by the occasional sympatico statements made by Baden-Powell about Hitler & co.
  • Miklosvar said:

    This is not a bad point. To many, £10k odd a year is completely unneeded but too much money not to bother with claiming it (or to give it to charity). But try standing on a manifesto to means test it
    Even without means testing it, the least we could do is not exponentially increase it with a Triple Lock.

    If you want to give more support to those in need, then do that, but that has been cut to the bone.

    And then we need to equalise tax rates, so that everyone pays the same rate of tax.

    A teacher on a £30k salary pays a 41% tax rate.

    A pensioner with £95k private pension pays a 40% tax rate.

    How is it justifiable to tax someone earning £30k a higher tax rate than someone earning £95k? Its simply not. And then the taxes going to fund the latter's supplementary taxpayer funded income is going up by double digit percentages, while the former gets a below-inflation pay rise.

    If we can't afford pay rises, then apply that across the board. To everyone.
    If we have to levy taxes, then levy them across the board. On everyone.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,369
    Dura_Ace said:

    Having to perform the ritual obeisance demanded of all British PMs toward POTUS is going to be a colossal pain in the glans for SKS when he has to slurp Trump's nuts.

    That section of the Labour party who wear a lot of badges are going to be salty in the extreme,
    No more frosty than it currently is between Sunak and Biden.

    Even they both say "special relationship" through gritted teeth, and it's no secret Biden can't stand the sight of us.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,313
    slade said:

    Slim pickings in local by-elections today. There is a Res defence in Havering, a Con defence in Somerset, and a Green defence in Wychavon.

    Never mind @slade. It's people like you that keep this site going. Thank you for your time
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,099
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    Strikes aren't going to stop AI, any more than loom-smashing stopped the industrial revolution

    News just the last couple of days:

    "Is AI a threat to the world of fabric design?"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66437928


    "Google and Universal Music working on licensing voices for AI-generated songs"

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/09/google-and-universal-music-working-on-licensing-voices-for-ai-generated-songs

    "It’s already way beyond what humans can do’: will AI wipe out architects?"

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture

    My favourite:

    "AI replacing psychics as 'fortune telling' droids put tarot readers out of work"

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/ai-replacing-psychics-fortune-telling-30659524


    It is time to be afraid. Very very afraid
    Then capitalism is dead, at least in its purest form.

    If AI leads to mass unemployment and few full time and permanent jobs, most voters ie the non rich and non corporate executives will only vote for parties promising massive robot taxes on corporations to fund big universal basic income and welfare payments.

    We will end up with the main western parties effectively offering social democracy just in slightly different forms
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,369
    slade said:

    Slim pickings in local by-elections today. There is a Res defence in Havering, a Con defence in Somerset, and a Green defence in Wychavon.

    I might pull an all-nighter.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,233

    Strictly speaking yes, but since I'm an awkward sod (though this one is reversed)..



    The swastika really was a commonly used symbol before the Nazis appropriated it (I believe the Finnish airforce incorporated it into their insignia till quite recently). It's made a little piquant in the Scouts' case by the occasional sympatico statements made by Baden-Powell about Hitler & co.
    Still remember trying to explain to a little old lady who sold brass boxes to tourists in Nepal, why her special lucky boxes weren’t selling
  • Does anyone seriously believe Starmer will retain the 2 child benefit cap once he's in office? Labour will probably ditch it within a few months of being in office once they don't have to worry about frightening the horses.
    I'm not sure he will, as where is he going to find the money from to fund it?

    Starmer is going to face some interesting choices. The welfare bill he is inheriting utterly dwarfs the one the Tories inherited from Labour. Even with unemployment being half the rate it was, the 2 child cap and everything else that has happened over the past decade.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Police are treating the fire that destroyed Britain’s wonkiest pub as arson as it emerged that its new owners had bought and allegedly gutted another traditional pub, near their home in Warwickshire.

    Police say they “continue to engage” with Carly Taylor, 34, and her husband Adam, 44, after the Crooked House, in Himley, near Dudley, burnt down. It was then demolished without permission, weeks after the couple had bought the landmark in Staffordshire." (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crooked-house-fire-police-arson-sq36xwc80
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832
    HYUFD said:

    Then capitalism is dead, at least in its purest form.

    If AI leads to mass unemployment and few full time and permanent jobs, most voters ie the non rich and non corporate executives will only vote for parties promising massive robot taxes on corporations to fund big universal basic income and welfare payments.

    We will end up with the main western parties effectively offering social democracy just in slightly different forms
    AI will kill capitalism as we have known in. What happens then is impossible to say. Revolutions? Civil strife?

    A gentle slide into universal basic income and ubiquitous social democracy is right at the optimal end of the Outcome Spectrum
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,815
    edited August 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Unless convicted and jailed next year (in which case the RNC would change the rules if necessary and pick a new candidate) he will likely be the GOP candidate
    What if it looks increasingly likely he'll be convicted and (in great part due to this) the polls start to say very clearly that he can't win the presidency?
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    HYUFD said:

    Then capitalism is dead, at least in its purest form.

    If AI leads to mass unemployment and few full time and permanent jobs, most voters ie the non rich and non corporate executives will only vote for parties promising massive robot taxes on corporations to fund big universal basic income and welfare payments.

    We will end up with the main western parties effectively offering social democracy just in slightly different forms
    Where does the massive robot tax come from? We're a consumerist society, we pay ourselves wages for doing jobs so we can buy the crap the jobs produce. If AI takes all the jobs who buys the crap to produce the taxes? You've got yourself a recursive loop there.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    AI will kill capitalism as we have known in. What happens then is impossible to say. Revolutions? Civil strife?

    A gentle slide into universal basic income and ubiquitous social democracy is right at the optimal end of the Outcome Spectrum
    If AI is such a bad thing, why are we allowing it to happen?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,313

    Strictly speaking yes, but since I'm an awkward sod (though this one is reversed)..



    The swastika really was a commonly used symbol before the Nazis appropriated it (I believe the Finnish airforce incorporated it into their insignia till quite recently). It's made a little piquant in the Scouts' case by the occasional sympatico statements made by Baden-Powell about Hitler & co.
    The Tank Museum in Bovington has a Finnish tank from WWII (the Finns were invaded by the Soviets, partially beat them back, and later allied with the Nazis), and the tank has a swastika on it. The curator (I think the just wonderful David Willey) hurriedly brushes this off as "just politics", which I thought was hysterical given the context
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,333

    No more frosty than it currently is between Sunak and Biden.

    Even they both say "special relationship" through gritted teeth, and it's no secret Biden can't stand the sight of us.
    The tory party don't hate Biden the same way the Labour party hates DJT (though they probably should as he is sleepwalking us into WW3) so it's not a party management issue for the House Elf in the way that it will be for SKS.
  • HYUFD said:

    Pensioners who get the state pension mostly paid in when working via National Insurance and you can't get the state pension without sufficient NI contributions or credits

    Utterly irrelevant.

    What they paid for was not a Triple Locked pension that was draining taxpayers money at an unaffordable rate. That was never promised, and never what was paid for either.

    If you pay for a Ford, you don't then get to vote that you should get a Bentley instead, because you made your payments.

    The country can not afford to keep giving double-digit welfare payments that are not targeted at those in need, when welfare is over 30% of state expenditure and rising (more than it was when Labour left office) and we have a deficit.

    Enough is enough. This is not how you run an economy.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,539
    edited August 2023
    HYUFD said:

    'In the 22 years from 1997 to 2019, public sector productivity rose by just 3.7 per cent, yet public sector staff got pay awards based on comparisons with a private sector that was doing a lot better at raising output per person.


    Real state output soared under Labour from 1997 to 2009 by a massive 50 per cent , but productivity fell 2 per cent over the 12 years. Under the Conservatives pre-Covid, output was up again by a more restrained 8 per cent, with productivity edging ahead to show a 3.7 per cent gain since 1997. By the end of 2021 output was up again by almost a tenth but productivity was down on 1997 levels by 3.7 per cent. So over nearly a quarter of a century of fast automation and technical advance in the wider economy, the UK public sector saw a fall in productivity. '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/05/falling-public-sector-productivity-real-national-crisis/

    Pensioners who get the state pension mostly paid in when working via National Insurance and you can't get the state pension without sufficient NI contributions or credits
    As I mentioned life isn't as simple as that. You can't just measure each individual element of productivity and technological gains. It is the overall gain that counts whether public or private.

    So for example the farrier who works in a traditional way at some historic event display will be no more productive than his Victorian counterpart. We don't however pay him Victorian wages because:

    a) People working in other walks of life are more productive than their Victorian counterparts and spend good money to come and see him work. So although he is no more productive he is worth more.

    b) He wouldn't do it for a shilling a day.

    So you see a person doesn't have to be more productive to get more money as long as there is greater productivity overall and his skills are in demand.

    Much as I hate most of the public sector I do accept we need some of them and if you don't pay them they will go elsewhere.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Andy_JS said:

    If AI is such a bad thing, why are we allowing it to happen?
    Just a point of order @Leon knows NOTHING about AI. It is best we establish this.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    Andy_JS said:

    If AI is such a bad thing, why are we allowing it to happen?
    How would you possibly stop it?
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Andy_JS said:

    If AI is such a bad thing, why are we allowing it to happen?
    Because there's no stopping it. If the West did the Chinese wouldn't, and the US would enter into an awful lot of research partnerships with the comp sci departments of universities in places like Wuhan. Plus Musk is in the mix, and there seems to be something in the US constitution to say he can do what he likes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,233
    Leon said:

    AI will kill capitalism as we have known in. What happens then is impossible to say. Revolutions? Civil strife?

    A gentle slide into universal basic income and ubiquitous social democracy is right at the optimal end of the Outcome Spectrum
    AI isn’t ending all jobs - what it can do is automate and act as an assistant. There is no sign of leaving it to work on its own - 100% automation is still a dream.

    It is very useful as a code completion tool for developers. For pieces of code.

    In data science, likewise.

    In the wider world, similar. The soft fruit picking machines that are coming in, for instance, need a small number of minders/mechanics.

    It is a variation of the old story of automaton - fewer jobs for some tasks, but higher quality and pay. The productivity gains are then used to other things.

    So we went from 90% of the population farming to what? 1%?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832
    Andy_JS said:

    If AI is such a bad thing, why are we allowing it to happen?
    Because it's an arms race between companies and countries: to develop AGI and exploit its incredible potential

    Unless you can get everyone to unilaterally "disarm" - to voluntarily stop developing AGI than you risk being left behind and destroyed. Exactly as happened with nukes. The USSR could not afford to let the USA hegemonise the world, so it developed nukes, then the UK, France, China, felt the same way about each other... India, Pakistan, Israel followed on...

    This is, arguably, even "worse" than nukes because the development of nukes is OBVIOUS. It can be seen from space. It makes a dent in imports and exports of the necessary kit and equipment. Developing AI can be done in a few labs on the quiet. So even if Google swears on the bible that its stopped developing Bard 3.5, Microsoft cannot be sure of this, and will likely continue developing ChatGPT7

    Same goes for USA v China
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381

    I'm not sure he will, as where is he going to find the money from to fund it?

    Starmer is going to face some interesting choices. The welfare bill he is inheriting utterly dwarfs the one the Tories inherited from Labour. Even with unemployment being half the rate it was, the 2 child cap and everything else that has happened over the past decade.
    Stephen Bush (who has a pretty good idea of what goes on in the Labour Party) isn't so sure:
    "The thing is though, the polls only tell you so much, and in many ways, the two-child limit is the Labour party equivalent of, say, cutting defence spending for the Conservatives: there is no plausible universe in which a re-elected Rishi Sunak would be able to get away with implementing it. Equally there is, I think, a similar array of forces that will mean the next Labour government has to scrap the two-child limit.

    The Conservatives’ policy — which caps the amount a household can receive in benefits if they have no, or low, earnings — upsets the party’s social liberals, its Christian socialists, its feminists and its pro-welfare tendency . . . Essentially every part of the Labour party hates this policy, which is one reason why almost every major figure in the party is on the record calling the policy “immoral”, “heinous” or “social engineering” or some variation thereof.

    The only question will be whether a change to the current cap is enforced on the leadership — perhaps by some equivalent of the bill currently working its way through parliament — or if the policy never gets that far.

    You can see at the moment that Keir Starmer is trying to win, essentially, a doctor’s mandate: that was the subtext of his piece for the Observer this weekend. The short version is “the UK is sick, the disease is low growth, give me a mandate to cure the illness”. And you can see, too, how Labour might find its way around this commitment, whether through spinning its changes to universal credit or pointing out the problems that UK benefits create for growth. (Good column on that more broadly by Adam Posen.) A three-year research project — conducted by the universities of York, Oxford and the London School of Economics and Political Science — published today found no evidence the two-child limit meets its aims on employment and fertility, and, in some cases, has had the opposite effect, “meaning its main effect is to push families with three or more children further into poverty”.

    Or you can see how the change might be enforced on the leadership by a backbench revolt.

    The open question is whether the policy will get that far. You can easily see how, over the coming weeks and even more during the Labour party conference, the question is going to be asked of so many Labour MPs and frontbenchers: given you’ve said, in some cases this measure is heinous, social engineering, immoral, and so on . . . what’s changed?"
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,727
    .
    viewcode said:

    The Tank Museum in Bovington has a Finnish tank from WWII (the Finns were invaded by the Soviets, partially beat them back, and later allied with the Nazis), and the tank has a swastika on it. The curator (I think the just wonderful David Willey) hurriedly brushes this off as "just politics", which I thought was hysterical given the context
    I recommend this 2002 Russian sort of comedy about that war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo_(film)
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Miklosvar said:

    Because there's no stopping it. If the West did the Chinese wouldn't, and the US would enter into an awful lot of research partnerships with the comp sci departments of universities in places like Wuhan. Plus Musk is in the mix, and there seems to be something in the US constitution to say he can do what he likes.
    The acceleration of AI is much like the acceleration of the internet. It will change things, and in many ways that we have not yet anticipated. I personally believe it is a massive opportunity for good. Pessimistic luddites like Leon will always believe it is the end of the world as we know it. It isn't.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,815
    Dura_Ace said:

    The tory party don't hate Biden the same way the Labour party hates DJT (though they probably should as he is sleepwalking us into WW3) so it's not a party management issue for the House Elf in the way that it will be for SKS.
    You're right* - if PM Keir Starmer sucks up to President Again Donald Trump in any way shape or form, in fact if he says anything about him that isn't wholly and intensely negative, there will go my LP card into the lounge woodburner.

    * But you're also wrong because there is not going to be a President Again Donald Trump. If the GOP don't find a way, America as a whole will.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    kjh said:

    As I mentioned life isn't as simple as that. You can't just measure each individual element of productivity and technological gains. It is the overall gain that counts whether public or private.

    So for example the farrier who works in a traditional way at some historic event display will be no more productive than his Victorian counterpart. We don't however pay him Victorian wages because:

    a) People working in other walks of life are more productive than their Victorian counterparts and spend good money to come and see him work. So although he is no more productive he is worth more.

    b) He wouldn't do it for a shilling a day.

    So you see a person doesn't have to be more productive to get more money as long as there is greater productivity overall and his skills are in demand.

    Much as I hate most of the public sector I do accept we need some of them and if you don't pay them they will go elsewhere.
    Indeed, this is the basis of the Balassa-Samuelson effect, aka why does a haircut cost more in Zurich than in Lagos.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Miklosvar said:

    Because there's no stopping it. If the West did the Chinese wouldn't, and the US would enter into an awful lot of research partnerships with the comp sci departments of universities in places like Wuhan. Plus Musk is in the mix, and there seems to be something in the US constitution to say he can do what he likes.
    Human beings are very strange, allowing something to happen which is going to make life worse for nearly everyone.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,539

    Indeed, this is the basis of the Balassa-Samuelson effect, aka why does a haircut cost more in Zurich than in Lagos.
    Nice to know it is a proper theory with its own name. I was just making it up as I was typing.

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,980

    Strictly speaking yes, but since I'm an awkward sod (though this one is reversed)..



    The swastika really was a commonly used symbol before the Nazis appropriated it (I believe the Finnish airforce incorporated it into their insignia till quite recently). It's made a little piquant in the Scouts' case by the occasional sympatico statements made by Baden-Powell about Hitler & co.
    The swastika appears on the spines of old prewar Rudyard Kipling books published by Macmillan. You still see them quite commonly in second hand bookshops. Presumably the reason is Kipling's background in India where the swastika had benign associations.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,099
    Miklosvar said:

    Where does the massive robot tax come from? We're a consumerist society, we pay ourselves wages for doing jobs so we can buy the crap the jobs produce. If AI takes all the jobs who buys the crap to produce the taxes? You've got yourself a recursive loop there.
    It is imposed on corporations that employ AI at the expense of human workers, the robot tax then funds the Universal Basic Income to buy stuff still
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832

    The acceleration of AI is much like the acceleration of the internet. It will change things, and in many ways that we have not yet anticipated. I personally believe it is a massive opportunity for good. Pessimistic luddites like Leon will always believe it is the end of the world as we know it. It isn't.
    I'm not completely pessimisic, at all. I believe AI will do amazing things beyond human capabilities. It already is:


    "AI Is Building Highly Effective Antibodies That Humans Can’t Even Imagine
    Robots, computers, and algorithms are hunting for potential new therapies in ways humans can’t—by processing huge volumes of data and building previously unimagined molecules."


    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/labgenius-antibody-factory-machine-learning

    However, AI is coming for a lot of middle class, white collar, bourgeois jobs, it also coming for the creative jobs. The "nice" jobs. That is simply a fact, hence the unprecedented Hollywood strike. That's today's version of Luddite loom smashing. AI is bound to revolutionise work and society, and revolutions are always painful; there is also a small but not entirely trivial risk that AI could kill humanity
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,721
    Leon said:

    Not looking good for flint knappers either, TBH


    "Stone Carving is done.

    Robots can do the work 100x faster and 1000x more accurate

    AI/Machines will enhance and come for creative jobs.

    Would you buy a statue carved by a robot?"

    https://twitter.com/LinusEkenstam/status/1689585394780708869?s=20

    Not me - nor would I want to see a film with an AI Tom Cruise snogging Gloria Swanson.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Leon said:

    Strikes aren't going to stop AI, any more than loom-smashing stopped the industrial revolution

    News just the last couple of days:

    "Is AI a threat to the world of fabric design?"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66437928


    "Google and Universal Music working on licensing voices for AI-generated songs"

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/09/google-and-universal-music-working-on-licensing-voices-for-ai-generated-songs

    "It’s already way beyond what humans can do’: will AI wipe out architects?"

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture

    My favourite:

    "AI replacing psychics as 'fortune telling' droids put tarot readers out of work"

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/ai-replacing-psychics-fortune-telling-30659524


    It is time to be afraid. Very very afraid
    AI has potential to accelerate the planning and design process for decarbonisation infrastructure. Perhaps something like the below could be bought forward in months rather than decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xlinks_Morocco-UK_Power_Project

    I think the problem with it is that it is not that good (yet) at interpreting legislation.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,233
    Leon said:

    AI will kill capitalism as we have known in. What happens then is impossible to say. Revolutions? Civil strife?

    A gentle slide into universal basic income and ubiquitous social democracy is right at the optimal end of the Outcome Spectrum
    AI isn’t

    Indeed, this is the basis of the Balassa-Samuelson effect, aka why does a haircut cost more in Zurich than in Lagos.
    Indeed. And this is another one where people don’t want to face certain realities.

    1) higher pay for low skilled jobs. Deliveroo charges £20 for your meal to be delivered. Barista coffee cost £10 a cup.
    2) cheap deliveroo and artisan coffee. Adults living in bunk beds stacked in every room

    Pick one
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Andy_JS said:

    Human beings are very strange, allowing something to happen which is going to make life worse for nearly everyone.
    I am not sure whether you are being ironic. AI is already rapidly accelerating medical research into numerous disease areas. AI will assist in making significant populations healthier through accelerated interactions that GPs cannot. AI will also accelerate research in huge numbers of other human endeavours. It will also create huge numbers of jobs in the tech sector.

    Does it need to be regulated? Yes to an extent, but people need to calm down. The glass is half full and we need to celebrate the huge amount of opportunities AI offers us.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792

    I am not sure whether you are being ironic. AI is already rapidly accelerating medical research into numerous disease areas. AI will assist in making significant populations healthier through accelerated interactions that GPs cannot. AI will also accelerate research in huge numbers of other human endeavours. It will also create huge numbers of jobs in the tech sector.

    Does it need to be regulated? Yes to an extent, but people need to calm down. The glass is half full and we need to celebrate the huge amount of opportunities AI offers us.
    Huge use of the word "huge" there. I did not get my statement checked by AI.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Andy_JS said:

    Human beings are very strange, allowing something to happen which is going to make life worse for nearly everyone.
    Well yes. Like war and slavery and global warming and everything else. Kesslerisation is a case in point. It was predicted at the time of sputnik 1, satellites confer just incremental benefits to TV and Internet and weather forecasting and stuff vs the absolutely fundamental disbenefit of locking ourselves in from the rest of the universe and making terrestrial astronomy impossible, but there's money and military advantage and, once again, Musk, and here we are.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163

    I cannot quite understand how Ron DeSantis has imploded so quickly. As a successful Governor of Florida, he must know a thing or two about retail politics and yet in the last year or so he has gone off-the-charts crazy, even declaring war on The Mouse. It is as if DeSantis is cos-playing what he imagines Trump to be, and is trying to appeal to a bizarre caricature of MAGA voters.

    ETA one possible explanation is RDS expected Trump to be locked up or at least disqualified, so RDS could easily replace him, but now Trump remains dominant, he is forcing RDS to extremes. I'm not sure I believe it though.
    The two biggest groups of voters in US politics are Democrats and Trump-supporters. Where was RDS ever going to get support from?

    I cannot understand why anyone ever thought he had a chance.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,721
    kinabalu said:

    You're right* - if PM Keir Starmer sucks up to President Again Donald Trump in any way shape or form, in fact if he says anything about him that isn't wholly and intensely negative, there will go my LP card into the lounge woodburner.

    * But you're also wrong because there is not going to be a President Again Donald Trump. If the GOP don't find a way, America as a whole will.
    Perhaps a letter-writing campaign from NW3 telling America as a whole to do its duty might do the job.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,303
    kjh said:

    As I mentioned life isn't as simple as that. You can't just measure each individual element of productivity and technological gains. It is the overall gain that counts whether public or private.

    So for example the farrier who works in a traditional way at some historic event display will be no more productive than his Victorian counterpart. We don't however pay him Victorian wages because:

    a) People working in other walks of life are more productive than their Victorian counterparts and spend good money to come and see him work. So although he is no more productive he is worth more.

    b) He wouldn't do it for a shilling a day.

    So you see a person doesn't have to be more productive to get more money as long as there is greater productivity overall and his skills are in demand.

    Much as I hate most of the public sector I do accept we need some of them and if you don't pay them they will go elsewhere.
    Actually your modern day Farrier is more productive. Not only is he producing physical product (shoes on horses), he's now producing entertainment as well, to a likely value considerably higher than the value of his physical output in terms of horses shoes.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Leon said:

    I'm not completely pessimisic, at all. I believe AI will do amazing things beyond human capabilities. It already is:


    "AI Is Building Highly Effective Antibodies That Humans Can’t Even Imagine
    Robots, computers, and algorithms are hunting for potential new therapies in ways humans can’t—by processing huge volumes of data and building previously unimagined molecules."


    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/labgenius-antibody-factory-machine-learning

    However, AI is coming for a lot of middle class, white collar, bourgeois jobs, it also coming for the creative jobs. The "nice" jobs. That is simply a fact, hence the unprecedented Hollywood strike. That's today's version of Luddite loom smashing. AI is bound to revolutionise work and society, and revolutions are always painful; there is also a small but not entirely trivial risk that AI could kill humanity
    There is a much greater risk that humanity will kill humanity. Perhaps AI is what fate has provided for us to prevent that possible eventuality?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,161
    edited August 2023

    Indeed, this is the basis of the Balassa-Samuelson effect, aka why does a haircut cost more in Zurich than in Lagos.
    Alternatively, for the public sector, Baumol's cost disease. NHS productivity is very hard to increase (can't replace nurses with machines) but wages must rise to keep pace with areas with higher productivity growth and to attract and retain staff.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832

    Huge use of the word "huge" there. I did not get my statement checked by AI.
    Yes. It is ironic that your banal and vapid commentary on AI would actually be improved, your prose made more interesting, witty and elegant, if it was entirely replaced by an AI bot, generating remarks
  • kinabalu said:

    You're right* - if PM Keir Starmer sucks up to President Again Donald Trump in any way shape or form, in fact if he says anything about him that isn't wholly and intensely negative, there will go my LP card into the lounge woodburner.

    * But you're also wrong because there is not going to be a President Again Donald Trump. If the GOP don't find a way, America as a whole will.
    [Trump voice] "Crooked Keir!"
  • Leon said:

    Yes. It is ironic that your banal and vapid commentary on AI would actually be improved, your prose made more interesting, witty and elegant, if it was entirely replaced by an AI bot, generating remarks
    Are you into Banal Sex?
  • Miklosvar said:

    Well yes. Like war and slavery and global warming and everything else. Kesslerisation is a case in point. It was predicted at the time of sputnik 1, satellites confer just incremental benefits to TV and Internet and weather forecasting and stuff vs the absolutely fundamental disbenefit of locking ourselves in from the rest of the universe and making terrestrial astronomy impossible, but there's money and military advantage and, once again, Musk, and here we are.
    WTAF? You are completely bonkers.

    Satellites have conferred massive advantage to us in science, technology, telecommunications, weather analysis and forecasting, understanding the climate and much more.

    Anyone who predicted they would have just incremental or minor benefits was as incorrect as those who thought that "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" [predicted by IBM], or "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,727
    https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-data-number-of-people-waiting-to-start-routine-hospital-treatment-in-england-at-record-high-12937160

    NHS data: Number of people waiting to start routine hospital treatment in England at record high
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Eabhal said:

    Alternatively, for the public sector, Baumol's cost disease. NHS productivity is very hard to increase (can't replace nurses with machines) but wages must rise to keep pace with areas with higher productivity growth to attract and retain staff.
    Yes it's the same thing essentially. It's why services keep rising in price relative to goods.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    The acceleration of AI is much like the acceleration of the internet. It will change things, and in many ways that we have not yet anticipated. I personally believe it is a massive opportunity for good. Pessimistic luddites like Leon will always believe it is the end of the world as we know it. It isn't.
    Optimistic. The Internet looked like a massive opportunity for good, it turned out to be cat pictures and a 95% drop in productivity because of spending all day on PB.

    Spookily my autocomplete which is what AI basically is atm supplied everything after "spending" there.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    AI isn’t Indeed. And this is another one where people don’t want to face certain realities.

    1) higher pay for low skilled jobs. Deliveroo charges £20 for your meal to be delivered. Barista coffee cost £10 a cup.
    2) cheap deliveroo and artisan coffee. Adults living in bunk beds stacked in every room

    Pick one
    Adults living in bunk beds stacked in every room is government policy.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    There is a much greater risk that humanity will kill humanity. Perhaps AI is what fate has provided for us to prevent that possible eventuality?
    Or hasten it. AIs don't kill people, people kill people.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    theProle said:

    Actually your modern day Farrier is more productive. Not only is he producing physical product (shoes on horses), he's now producing entertainment as well, to a likely value considerably higher than the value of his physical output in terms of horses shoes.
    Other than transportation (Van or adapted 4x4) & oven for heating the shoes, the methods employed by farriers in general haven't changed much...
    They're not going to be replaced by AI or robots any time soon, I can tell you that.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,721
    edited August 2023
    AI is going to be fantastic in ways we can't possibly imagine and not just in the adult entertainment industry which of course will be ginormous. In every respect.

    But/and we will always be at the helm so it's only going to be as good or as bad as we ourselves are.
  • Miklosvar said:

    Or hasten it. AIs don't kill people, people kill people.
    Cars don't kill people, people do.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,161
    Miklosvar said:

    Optimistic. The Internet looked like a massive opportunity for good, it turned out to be cat pictures and a 95% drop in productivity because of spending all day on PB.

    Spookily my autocomplete which is what AI basically is atm supplied everything after "spending" there.
    If you can send 95% of your day on PB and still get all your work done, your productivity might be very high. It's just your supply of labour hasn't adjusted yet.

    Hence the 4 day week.

  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Pulpstar said:

    Other than transportation (Van or adapted 4x4) & oven for heating the shoes, the methods employed by farriers in general haven't changed much...
    They're not going to be replaced by AI or robots any time soon, I can tell you that.
    In Africa they still do it with charcoal and foot-operated goatskin bellows. For real, not just reenactment for the tourists.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,815
    TOPPING said:

    Perhaps a letter-writing campaign from NW3 telling America as a whole to do its duty might do the job.
    Shouldn't be necessary. I have faith in them. But if it does come to that ... pen at the ready.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,161

    Cars don't kill people, people do.
    Heh. There are a number of spooky similarities between the gun and car debate.

    (ducks)
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Leon said:

    I'm not completely pessimisic, at all. I believe AI will do amazing things beyond human capabilities. It already is:


    "AI Is Building Highly Effective Antibodies That Humans Can’t Even Imagine
    Robots, computers, and algorithms are hunting for potential new therapies in ways humans can’t—by processing huge volumes of data and building previously unimagined molecules."


    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/labgenius-antibody-factory-machine-learning

    However, AI is coming for a lot of middle class, white collar, bourgeois jobs, it also coming for the creative jobs. The "nice" jobs. That is simply a fact, hence the unprecedented Hollywood strike. That's today's version of Luddite loom smashing. AI is bound to revolutionise work and society, and revolutions are always painful; there is also a small but not entirely trivial risk that AI could kill humanity
    It can do some amazing things - To test out its reasoning and decision making capacity, I got it to write low level legal judgments and its reasoning is occasionally at the top end of what humans can do. It could certainly potentially challenge lawyers and barristers in this respect - and I can tell they are worried. But there is a question is about whether it can learn to be accurate in relation to legislation and negotiate complex and contradictory rules, this is unproven.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Leon said:

    Yes. It is ironic that your banal and vapid commentary on AI would actually be improved, your prose made more interesting, witty and elegant, if it was entirely replaced by an AI bot, generating remarks
    In that instance, then almost certainly yes. It was a quick stream of consciousness that resulted in an uncharacteristic vomit of inarticulacy. Thankfully none of my streams of consciousness cause people to believe in extra terrestrials or other such ludicrous flights of fancy.

    I do have some sympathy for your uninformed concerns about AI though. I mean - who needs someone to write meaningless but beautifully crafted articles on travel when ChatGPT can write an article with all of the travel info of the entire internet at it's disposal even in the somewhat formulaic style of, say, SeanT if asked.

    It is quite possible that pointless jobs such as travel writers will be swept away with the heartless broom of machine learning. I believe Halfords has quite a few openings for the more senior gentleman such as yourself.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Cars don't kill people, people do.
    Guns don't kill people, rappers do.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832
    Eabhal said:
    I read that. I really wouldn't like to be that couple, right now. They are such perfect villains, boastful property developers with previous, who "allegedly" like to smash up beloved pubs

    Apparently the guy who rented them the JCB (and is, it seems, entirely blameless) has been severely harrassed with hate mail and billions of angry calls. The social media anger aimed at the actual couple themselves must be extraordinary. I wonder if they might have to move out of the UK, there's no coming back from this

    They were unfortunate that their alleged crimes happened in mid August, with a bored media lacking stories, waiting to pounce. Oh well, never mind, etc
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
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    edit
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    Eabhal said:

    Heh. There are a number of spooky similarities between the gun and car debate.

    (ducks)
    Both three letters.
    With a vowel in the middle.
    But car is worth an extra point in scrabble so some spooky differences too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,832
    The national ability to exploit AI is, piquantly, an Actual Brexit Benefit

    "French leaders have a plan to build a native AI industry. There’s just one problem: They’re in the EU."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/open-source-artificial-intelligence-france-bets-big/
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,228

    Strictly speaking yes, but since I'm an awkward sod (though this one is reversed)..



    The swastika really was a commonly used symbol before the Nazis appropriated it (I believe the Finnish airforce incorporated it into their insignia till quite recently). It's made a little piquant in the Scouts' case by the occasional sympatico statements made by Baden-Powell about Hitler & co.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland)
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Miklosvar said:

    Optimistic. The Internet looked like a massive opportunity for good, it turned out to be cat pictures and a 95% drop in productivity because of spending all day on PB.

    Spookily my autocomplete which is what AI basically is atm supplied everything after "spending" there.
    I have to declare an interest. I intend to make the world a better place using AI and make enormous quantities of wonga in the process.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,313

    .

    I recommend this 2002 Russian sort of comedy about that war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo_(film)
    Thank you
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Eabhal said:
    From the article: "Picture postcards of the era – a popular way for visitors to show families back home where they were visiting in the years before photography was commonplace – made much of the pub's quirks."
    Have we really reached the point now where we have to explain what a postcard is? I feel old!
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    WTAF? You are completely bonkers.

    Satellites have conferred massive advantage to us in science, technology, telecommunications, weather analysis and forecasting, understanding the climate and much more.

    Anyone who predicted they would have just incremental or minor benefits was as incorrect as those who thought that "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" [predicted by IBM], or "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
    Yes, Bart. "Telecommunications" and the other stuff is just a fancy way of repeating what I said. "Massive advantage" is Look and Learn style yay for science cheerleading, the benefits are merely incremental; starlink and its competitors do not provide a game changing advance on 5g. So the calculation is, is that stuff all worth kesslerising ourselves, which is about the most damaging to science thing that could happen?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Leon said:

    The national ability to exploit AI is, piquantly, an Actual Brexit Benefit

    "French leaders have a plan to build a native AI industry. There’s just one problem: They’re in the EU."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/open-source-artificial-intelligence-france-bets-big/

    I am sorry to break it to you. Even the government had to disband it's Department for Brexit Opportunities (titter) because it could not find any. There are no benefits of Brexit. There are no fairies at the end of the garden. There are no alien landings.
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