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Oban North and Lorn on Argyll and Bute (Ind Defence)
Result of last election to council (2012): Independents 15, Scottish National Party 13, Conservatives 4, Liberal Democrats 4 (No Overall Control, Independents short by 3)
Result of last election to ward (2014): Scottish National Party 595 (25%), Independent 548 (23%), Labour 526 (22%), Conservatives 445 (18%), Independent 301 (12%).
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So - I grew up in the West Sussex village of Rogate for the first 15 years or so of my life. Unless it's changed dramatically in the further 15 years since I would characterise it as a combination of wealthy stockbroker / Tory farmer / retired to the country types so unless the local Tories have managed to totally pee everyone off somehow I would be expecting a 70% / 30% type split or similar.0
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Oh, and Thanks again Harry as always for the work you put into these - always interesting to read.0
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A couple of years ago I would have loved this type of thread. I was into local elections as much as any man! Now I cannot be bothered at anything less than a Westminster by -election.
My question is
1) Am I more of a person or less of a person because of it ? I am not sure, there is an argument in my head for both sides!!0 -
It's great to see UKIP doing well in locals, but I must admit I think that the Conservatives are still probably fielding better candidates. I don't think UKIP have the same depth of quality to call upon yet -it will come.0
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@BBCBreaking: Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond considering standing for Westminster seat at the UK general election next year, he tells BBC0
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Tomorrows Indy Front Page: "Miliband's big new idea"
"Immigration, Immigration, Immigration"0 -
Thanks again Harry.0
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Uxbridge? or Clacton?Scott_P said:@BBCBreaking: Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond considering standing for Westminster seat at the UK general election next year, he tells BBC
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Durham must be one of the largest authorities in the country judging by those numbers.0
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I thought that I'd heard that already - or was it someone on here suggesting it? Makes perfect sense - he gets out of Nicola Sturgeon's way in Scotland rather than sit on whatever the equivalent of the backbenches are, and gets to harry Westminster to provide all the goodies which they had promised.Scott_P said:@BBCBreaking: Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond considering standing for Westminster seat at the UK general election next year, he tells BBC
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After all, he signalled that in interviews on the day he announced that he would be resigning as FM, so this is just confirmation of that intention.Scott_P said:@BBCBreaking: Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond considering standing for Westminster seat at the UK general election next year, he tells BBC
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I really hope the actual number of votes cast for each candidate in the primary are published... will they be do you reckon?0
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4 seats tonight that are of any interest:
Oban North and Lorn on Argyll and Bute will gives us an idea about the SNP.
Newnham and Westbury on Forest of Dean, that's in a UKIP target.
Haywards Heath, Lucastes on Mid Sussex, UKIP area.
Folkestone, Harvey West on Shepway, also UKIP area.0 -
By my reckoning the maximum margin of victory is 51 votesisam said:I really hope the actual number of votes cast for each candidate in the primary are published... will they be do you reckon?
ie 2869/2818
If there were spoilt papers should be less
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Salmond wants power in Westminster! Could be in a coalition.0
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Britain might go through a Bloc Quebecois moment.KentRising said:Salmond wants power in Westminster! Could be in a coalition.
They went from almost nothing to a complete control of all Quebec seats from 1993 till 2011.
That's another parallel between Canada 1993 and Britain today, the other is UKIP and Reform.0 -
Why would they be any different from SLab? They have quoted only %s since their mass membership claim was ridiculed after giving actual ballot paper numbers issued in 2010.isam said:I really hope the actual number of votes cast for each candidate in the primary are published... will they be do you reckon?
Parties only use numbers that don't suit them when they have no choice to do otherwise.0 -
I see the EU wants to take another 1.5bn quid from us, while giving the French 500mn for having a crap economy. Not exactly our fault that they voted for Hollande is it?0
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When are the Tories going to release the actual figures for the primary in Rochester?
They must be taking us all for fools if they think we haven't noticed the omission.0 -
He'd surely demand the Scottish Office?KentRising said:Salmond wants power in Westminster! Could be in a coalition.
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Surely one would expect a fair number of spoilt papers in this situation, where every non-Tory voter had a free opportunity to write a few choice words. Are the Tories expecting us to believe there weren't any at all?bigjohnowls said:
By my reckoning the maximum margin of victory is 51 votesisam said:I really hope the actual number of votes cast for each candidate in the primary are published... will they be do you reckon?
ie 2869/2818
If there were spoilt papers should be less0 -
On the EU economies -RobD said:I see the EU wants to take another 1.5bn quid from us, while giving the French 500mn for having a crap economy. Not exactly our fault that they voted for Hollande is it?
Do sh!t and pay less,wow - the EU is a race to the bottom.
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Benefits of a Union dear boy.RobD said:I see the EU wants to take another 1.5bn quid from us, while giving the French 500mn for having a crap economy. Not exactly our fault that they voted for Hollande is it?
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But to do that they'd have to actually count the votes, rather than just count the envelopes that have been returned and declare the chosen candidate as 'selected'.AndyJS said:When are the Tories going to release the actual figures for the primary in Rochester?
They must be taking us all for fools if they think we haven't noticed the omission.
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If you are a low paid British worker who votes Labour it must feel like belonging to a trade union that advertises your job behind your back to anyone who will do it for less.
bigJohnowls said:
Wheras voting UKIP must make you feel like belonging to a club where the heirachy, MPs and majority of PPC are ex Tories who voted against workers rights every time. eg minimum wage when introduced and WTD legislation.
A very right wing club indeed
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On the contrary, leaving the EU and therefore halting the flow of cheap foreign labour undercutting you is the best thing that could happen to the country if you are a low paid British worker
I don't see it as very left wing to justify depressing the wages of tradesmen by a quoting a GDP figure that is inflated by big profits for the richest
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Speedy Indeed, though it was actually in 1984, the election after the first Quebec referendum in 1980 that the Liberals, like Labour, first saw their dominance end. In that election the Tories won 58 seats in Quebec having won only one in 1980 after promising Quebec a new deal. However it was not until 1993 that the Quebec nationalists made their big gains, winning 54 seats in Quebec to become the official opposition, just ahead of Reform (Canada's UKIP) on 52, the Tories came fifth with 2 seats behind the New Democrats setting the stage for their eventual merger with and takeover by Reform0
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While it has dropped out of the news a bit, Ebola is still not in control in Africa. Just under 10k cases and 5k deaths now. The latest report is sobering reading:
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/137091/1/roadmapsitrep22Oct2014_eng.pdf?ua=1
Still only a quarter of the required beds in Liberia and Sierra Leone
20,000 people required for contract tracing in the 3 countries
230 additional teams needed to bury dead bodies safely.
It is looking more likely it will only be stopped by a vaccine.
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Len McCluskey: "To be honest with you the person who impresses me most, at the moment, is Andy Burnham."
Len on Ed Miliband: "“I don’t really know him well enough to say I like him.”
Well we know where the union money is going if Ed fails.0 -
@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%0
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Its ok, when Ed gets in and implements Hollande approach to economics, we will be getting those kind of hand-outs.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Benefits of a Union dear boy.RobD said:I see the EU wants to take another 1.5bn quid from us, while giving the French 500mn for having a crap economy. Not exactly our fault that they voted for Hollande is it?
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Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%0 -
BBC South East Today at 10.30pm led with the Tory vote and gave the winning candidate 30 secs of air-time, so it got a bit of attention.
No word, of course, on the rather meagre return, only that a "poll by a UKIP supporter" put Reckless ahead....0 -
Cross..ooo...oh...Scott_P said:@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
It does look like post-conference, that the Labour lead has narrowed by maybe 1%, even with UKIP on the rise. I think we are looking at probably 2-3% Labour lead, rather than 3-4%.
Different kettle of fish if the Tories can convince enough people to give them the 5-6% lead that they need.0 -
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From my graph (on mobile so can't link) it does appear as though labour is falling as quick as UKIP are rising, whilst the Tories are roughly level.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cross..ooo...oh...Scott_P said:@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
It does look like post-conference, that the Labour lead has narrowed by maybe 1%, even with UKIP on the rise. I think we are looking at probably 2-3% Labour lead, rather than 3-4%.
Different kettle of fish if the Tories can convince enough people to give them the 5-6% lead that they need.0 -
The EU wants your cash.
FINANCIAL TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Brussels demands €2bn from UK after economy outpaces EU rivals" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/K0Q5IDlZa0
— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 23, 20140 -
Gordon ?0
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The thing that stands out in recent polling.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cross..ooo...oh...Scott_P said:@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
It does look like post-conference, that the Labour lead has narrowed by maybe 1%, even with UKIP on the rise. I think we are looking at probably 2-3% Labour lead, rather than 3-4%.
Different kettle of fish if the Tories can convince enough people to give them the 5-6% lead that they need.
Labour consistently below 35%0 -
Erik Lamela's goal.
Wow.0 -
And the Tories!TheScreamingEagles said:
The thing that stands out in recent polling.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cross..ooo...oh...Scott_P said:@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
It does look like post-conference, that the Labour lead has narrowed by maybe 1%, even with UKIP on the rise. I think we are looking at probably 2-3% Labour lead, rather than 3-4%.
Different kettle of fish if the Tories can convince enough people to give them the 5-6% lead that they need.
Labour consistently below 35%0 -
Ed really is extra crap after tonights YG tie that brings down the average LAB lead this week to 1.67% (6 polls)
LAB 322 CON 285 LD 15 Other 28 (ukpr) EICIPM (salmond is SOS for Scotland)0 -
Meh... Must be an outlier, UKIP are on only 15%TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
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Where might Salmond stand:
SNP top targets are surely:
Gordon -> South Ochil & Perthshire -> Inverness -> Argyll & Bute ?
One of those ?0 -
But Labour's firewall is a bit shite at the moment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
And the Tories!TheScreamingEagles said:
The thing that stands out in recent polling.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cross..ooo...oh...Scott_P said:@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
It does look like post-conference, that the Labour lead has narrowed by maybe 1%, even with UKIP on the rise. I think we are looking at probably 2-3% Labour lead, rather than 3-4%.
Different kettle of fish if the Tories can convince enough people to give them the 5-6% lead that they need.
Labour consistently below 35%0 -
The official page for Rochester Tories says "5,688 ballots returned" and then gives the percentages for both candidates.
No mention of actual votes for the candidates as opposed to percentages.
No mention of how many spoilt papers were returned.0 -
Must be an outlier to have Tories above 32%. No need for ed to worry, his lead is safe this week.0
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Isn't the count handled by an independent body?AndyJS said:The official page for Rochester Tories says "5,688 ballots returned" and then gives the percentages for both candidates.
No mention of actual votes for the candidates as opposed to percentages.
No mention of how many spoilt papers were returned.0 -
You should face the inevitable.bigjohnowls said:Ed really is extra crap after tonights YG tie that brings down the average LAB lead this week to 1.67% (6 polls)
LAB 322 CON 285 LD 15 Other 28 (ukpr) EICIPM (salmond is SOS for Scotland)
Ed isn't crap.
He's absolutely shite.
A tramp living on Clapham Common would do a better job than Ed.0 -
MikeK said:
The EU wants your cash.
FINANCIAL TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Brussels demands €2bn from UK after economy outpaces EU rivals" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/K0Q5IDlZa0
— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 23, 2014
I thought I'd heard every stunt that those parasites could play but this leaves me gobsmacked. They've basically just decided that we can pay an extra £1.7 billion and much of it will be going to France. So we're effectively paying for Hollande's economic illiteracy. You could not make it up.
EU makes Britain pay for recovery
The Prime Minister is ambushed with a demand for an extra £1.7billion because Britain has outperformed other European economies over past decade
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11184044/EU-makes-Britain-pay-for-recovery.html
How can anyone support our involvement with these daylight robbers?0 -
Mauricio Pochettino reaction suggests Lamela might be doing some extra laps in training.TheScreamingEagles said:Erik Lamela's goal.
Wow.0 -
We're going to have the SNP to the right of the Gov't on this first question :P !0
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Basil ...oh so nearly.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%0 -
UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.0
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Yes, but my body is independent after a few drinks.isam said:
Isn't the count handled by an independent body?AndyJS said:The official page for Rochester Tories says "5,688 ballots returned" and then gives the percentages for both candidates.
No mention of actual votes for the candidates as opposed to percentages.
No mention of how many spoilt papers were returned.
To be serious for a moment, electoral reform society I think. Presumably they have a contract which will control what information they can release.0 -
So if Ed is shite,what does that make Dave?TheScreamingEagles said:
You should face the inevitable.bigjohnowls said:Ed really is extra crap after tonights YG tie that brings down the average LAB lead this week to 1.67% (6 polls)
LAB 322 CON 285 LD 15 Other 28 (ukpr) EICIPM (salmond is SOS for Scotland)
Ed isn't crap.
He's absolutely shite.
A tramp living on Clapham Common would do a better job than Ed.0 -
If Stephen Fisher's weekly projection tomorrow includes tonight's tied YouGov/Sun poll, then the Tories appear likely to regain the lead for GE 2015 seats . Over the past 6 months neither of the two major parties have appeared capable of achieving an overall majority according to Fisher.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
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No UKIP Policy apparentlyPulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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If UKIP needed any help for the upcoming by election,headlines like this should help.
PoliticsHome @politicshome
Friday's Telegraph front page - EU makes Britain pay for recovery pic.twitter.com/PwWmBoj9I2
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@Scott, as soon as Salmond resigned as FM following the Indy Referendum, there were rumours that he wanted to return to Westminster as an MP again. Since then, I have been pretty sure that Salmond would definitely go for the Gordon constituency where Libdem MP Malcolm Bruce is standing down at the next GE.Scott_P said:
@BBCBreaking: Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond considering standing for Westminster seat at the UK general election next year, he tells BBC
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Harry Roberts release seems to have got up everyones nose.0
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Quick,get Ed in,2 to 3 years down the line,we won't have to pay it ;-)Tykejohnno said:If UKIP needed any help for the upcoming by election,headlines like this should help.
PoliticsHome @politicshome
Friday's Telegraph front page - EU makes Britain pay for recovery pic.twitter.com/PwWmBoj9I2
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Dan Hodges headline tomorrow "Harry Roberts release is a disaster for Ed Miliband".bigjohnowls said:Harry Roberts release seems to have got up everyones nose.
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Boooooooo!Tykejohnno said:
Quick,get Ed in,2 to 3 years down the line,we won't have to pay it ;-)Tykejohnno said:If UKIP needed any help for the upcoming by election,headlines like this should help.
PoliticsHome @politicshome
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According to who?Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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Not really. A shrinking vote share may be.compouter2 said:
Dan Hodges headline tomorrow "Harry Roberts release is a disaster for Ed Miliband".bigjohnowls said:Harry Roberts release seems to have got up everyones nose.
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Would the referendum on capital punishment have a supplementary question on our preferred method of capital punishment, it could be conducted under AV, so we rank our preferences
a) Hanging
b) electric chair
c) lethal injection
d) death by artillery gun
e) firing squad
f) sodomised to death by a bunch of horny honey badgers
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If he was feeling mischievous/brave, Falkirk (Eric Joyce's constituency and next to where Salmond was born). Eck might get a boost from his contribution in saving Grangemouth, and the Labour candidate is a duffer Holyrood reject.Pulpstar said:Where might Salmond stand:
SNP top targets are surely:
Gordon -> South Ochil & Perthshire -> Inverness -> Argyll & Bute ?
One of those ?0 -
F...all in!TheScreamingEagles said:Would the referendum on capital punishment have a supplementary question on our preferred method of capital punishment, it could be conducted under AV, so we rank our preferences
a) Hanging
b) electric chair
c) lethal injection
d) death by artillery gun
e) firing squad
f) sodomised to death by a bunch of horny honey badgers0 -
I see the EU is now demanding an extra two billion Euros off us. i thought Cameron had bravely negotiated a limit in the amount we paid in? Looks like it's absolute bollocks once again. Brussels simply isn't a trustworthy negotiating partner.0
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"No Tories north of Birmingham"
Has Len been to Richmond ?0 -
On the day he announced his resignation, Salmond said that he had always enjoyed being an MP, representing the people of East Aberdeenshire. I'd be astonished if it was anywhere other than Gordon.Pulpstar said:Where might Salmond stand:
SNP top targets are surely:
Gordon -> South Ochil & Perthshire -> Inverness -> Argyll & Bute ?
One of those ?
After all being both MSP for the overlapping seats of Gordon and Aberdeenshire East would give him precisely the same constituency workload as an English MP.0 -
If it is F I hope to god they aren't public executions.TheScreamingEagles said:Would the referendum on capital punishment have a supplementary question on our preferred method of capital punishment, it could be conducted under AV, so we rank our preferences
a) Hanging
b) electric chair
c) lethal injection
d) death by artillery gun
e) firing squad
f) sodomised to death by a bunch of horny honey badgers0 -
The UKIP MEP on QT :Pmanofkent2014 said:
According to who?Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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That's one way of making a policy anouncement.Pulpstar said:
The UKIP MEP on QT :Pmanofkent2014 said:
According to who?Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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I thought I'd heard every stunt that those parasites could play but this leaves me gobsmacked. They've basically just decided that we can pay an extra £1.7 billion and much of it will be going to France. So we're effectively paying for Hollande's economic illiteracy. You could not make it up.manofkent2014 said:MikeK said:The EU wants your cash.
FINANCIAL TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Brussels demands €2bn from UK after economy outpaces EU rivals" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/K0Q5IDlZa0
— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 23, 2014
EU makes Britain pay for recovery
The Prime Minister is ambushed with a demand for an extra £1.7billion because Britain has outperformed other European economies over past decade
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11184044/EU-makes-Britain-pay-for-recovery.html
How can anyone support our involvement with these daylight robbers?
Cameron said the other day that his boss was the British people, not Brussels. As it's almost certain that the British people oppose this cash grab from the feckless Eurocrats, Cameron should surely refuse to hand over the money. Or is he going to be told what to do by Jean-Claude Juncker?0 -
Kipper Calypso Collaspo?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Meh... Must be an outlier, UKIP are on only 15%TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied, as are Lib Dems & Greens: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%0 -
Recovery not reached Liverpool.0
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Oh it gets better because that is on top of the £5.4 billion (our share to pay £680 million) that the EP voted for themselves after Dave had supposedly capped expenditure.Socrates said:I see the EU is now demanding an extra two billion Euros off us. i thought Cameron had bravely negotiated a limit in the amount we paid in? Looks like it's absolute bollocks once again. Brussels simply isn't a trustworthy negotiating partner.
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She's not that impressive is she?compouter2 said:
That's one way of making a policy anouncement.Pulpstar said:
The UKIP MEP on QT :Pmanofkent2014 said:
According to who?Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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If they did that would be the final straw for me. No government should have the power to execute it's citizens.Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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Or, indeed, Dumfriesshire?Pulpstar said:"No Tories north of Birmingham"
Has Len been to Richmond ?0 -
On this occasion, I think there is a rationale for doing what the U.S did to the UN for many years and simply not pay.Socrates said:I see the EU is now demanding an extra two billion Euros off us. i thought Cameron had bravely negotiated a limit in the amount we paid in? Looks like it's absolute bollocks once again. Brussels simply isn't a trustworthy negotiating partner.
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I was being slightly sarcastic. I am not actually watching it, and didn't think for one minute they would do that. Maybe she has just got a little bit excited being on the tele.isam said:
She's not that impressive is she?compouter2 said:
That's one way of making a policy anouncement.Pulpstar said:
The UKIP MEP on QT :Pmanofkent2014 said:
According to who?Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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Cameron said the other day that his boss was the British people, not Brussels. As it's almost certain that the British people oppose this cash grab from the feckless Eurocrats, Cameron should surely refuse to hand over the money. Or is he going to be told what to do by Jean-Claude Juncker?Socrates said:
I thought I'd heard every stunt that those parasites could play but this leaves me gobsmacked. They've basically just decided that we can pay an extra £1.7 billion and much of it will be going to France. So we're effectively paying for Hollande's economic illiteracy. You could not make it up.manofkent2014 said:MikeK said:The EU wants your cash.
FINANCIAL TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Brussels demands €2bn from UK after economy outpaces EU rivals" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/K0Q5IDlZa0
— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 23, 2014
EU makes Britain pay for recovery
The Prime Minister is ambushed with a demand for an extra £1.7billion because Britain has outperformed other European economies over past decade
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11184044/EU-makes-Britain-pay-for-recovery.html
How can anyone support our involvement with these daylight robbers?
Yep,2 big moments here for Cameron,his big announcement near Christmas on EU immigration and the EU money grab.
Don't wobble dave.
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g) run over by a bus gets my voteTheScreamingEagles said:Would the referendum on capital punishment have a supplementary question on our preferred method of capital punishment, it could be conducted under AV, so we rank our preferences
a) Hanging
b) electric chair
c) lethal injection
d) death by artillery gun
e) firing squad
f) sodomised to death by a bunch of horny honey badgers0 -
Yep,2 big moments here for Cameron,his big announcement near Christmas on EU immigration and the EU money grab.Tykejohnno said:
Cameron said the other day that his boss was the British people, not Brussels. As it's almost certain that the British people oppose this cash grab from the feckless Eurocrats, Cameron should surely refuse to hand over the money. Or is he going to be told what to do by Jean-Claude Juncker?Socrates said:
I thought I'd heard every stunt that those parasites could play but this leaves me gobsmacked. They've basically just decided that we can pay an extra £1.7 billion and much of it will be going to France. So we're effectively paying for Hollande's economic illiteracy. You could not make it up.manofkent2014 said:MikeK said:The EU wants your cash.
FINANCIAL TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Brussels demands €2bn from UK after economy outpaces EU rivals" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/K0Q5IDlZa0
— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 23, 2014
EU makes Britain pay for recovery
The Prime Minister is ambushed with a demand for an extra £1.7billion because Britain has outperformed other European economies over past decade
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11184044/EU-makes-Britain-pay-for-recovery.html
How can anyone support our involvement with these daylight robbers?
Don't wobble dave.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/27/article-2402671-1B78ABE0000005DC-201_634x455.jpg0 -
Can f) really kill you?0
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Yes.bigjohnowls said:Can f) really kill you?
One Honey Badger vs Six (yes 6) Lions
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If there were 800 of them hanging out of you, I don't think asprin would help.bigjohnowls said:Can f) really kill you?
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Well, that's UKIP 'libertarian' pretences out the window (though they were only ever half-heartedly entertained at best). The state's right to bring about the death of its own citizens is the ultimate authoritarian presumption.Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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Alex lining up a hard left Labour/SNP coalition?Scott_P said:@BBCBreaking: Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond considering standing for Westminster seat at the UK general election next year, he tells BBC
That'll go down well with England...
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What do you think Cameron's reaction will be?Socrates said:I see the EU is now demanding an extra two billion Euros off us. i thought Cameron had bravely negotiated a limit in the amount we paid in? Looks like it's absolute bollocks once again. Brussels simply isn't a trustworthy negotiating partner.
Talk tough. Cave in.
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UKIP policy piss take getting annoying.
However I did think the 2 main parties had a dearth of talent but UKIP lady is another level of shitness.0 -
One Honey badger vs Four Lions here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641503/He-went-swinging-Plucky-honey-badger-takes-pride-lions-15-times-size-holds-30-minutes.html0 -
Assume, for the sake of argument, UKIP won 326 seats. There'd surely be a free vote on capital punishment, but it would probably get voted down.Richard_Tyndall said:
If they did that would be the final straw for me. No government should have the power to execute it's citizens.Pulpstar said:UKIP to give referendum on capital punishment.
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