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  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    So, Mike Reid has been forced to withdraw his parody tune, following the likes of the BBC stoking the faux outrage, not over it being a terrible tune, but supposedly racist.

    However, the BBC still happy to flog this equally terrible comedy in their shop, where Matt Lucas blacks up and puts on a Caribbean accent. Crimes against comedy yes, but racist?

    http://www.bbcshop.com/page/search?q=come+fly+with+me

    How did the BBC stoke the faux outrage?

  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    SouthamObserver said:

    I'll stop now.

    a wise move, sir - ; )
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    CD13 said:

    Continued ... No, I think I will leave my racist tongue intact, and tell my silly brain not to take offence at such trivia. But then I don't ride on the offence bus looking out for things to attack.

    That song was a crime against humanity though!
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    Just seen this on Beeb. "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29719090”
    "A victim of historical child sexual abuse has launched a legal challenge to the choice of Fiona Woolf as the chair of the inquiry investigating the issue.”

    I don’t think having dinner a neighbour a few times in 10+ years should disqualify someone from getting on with this!

    We had dinner with our former neighbours once or twice; I don’t we agreed about anything except how often our mutual hedge should be cut!
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    SouthamObserver said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    The Conservatives should hold Battersea easily, as well.

    Got a view on Hendon? (Note: haven't researched it)

    My view on Hendon is that it is a place to be avoided. You could die of boredom there.
    Ha. I avoid London almost entirely when I'm not working. Got a mate who lives there.

    He's locally active, for the Tories, and worried about Offord losing his seat.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    SouthamObserver said:

    SimonStClare said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    It seems dis UKIP song has had an effect
    Some folk tink it shows plenty disrespeck
    But dems all fools, dem make me mad
    Dat liberal elite, it's evil and bad

    Tra-la-lee ...

    Disgraceful – I’ve not been so outraged since Julie Andrews sang the 'Sound of Music' – hah, an Austrian nun indeed….!

    Dat Julie Andrews, de singin' nun
    Bad Nazis wanted to stop her fun
    Now dem Nazis rule de E-U
    Dat ain't no fun for me or for you



    For the past day, all I've had going round in my head is 'Underneath the Mango Tree', from Dr. No.

    This isn't helping.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    OldKingCole said:

    Just seen this on Beeb. "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29719090”
    "A victim of historical child sexual abuse has launched a legal challenge to the choice of Fiona Woolf as the chair of the inquiry investigating the issue.”

    I don’t think having dinner a neighbour a few times in 10+ years should disqualify someone from getting on with this!

    We had dinner with our former neighbours once or twice; I don’t we agreed about anything except how often our mutual hedge should be cut!

    At this rate the inquiry will never get off the ground. The best can be the enemy of the good.

  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste

    I like "Save Your Love". It's great for karaoke. But I don't think that UKIP would approve of "save your love for Roma and for me". They're not too keen on the Roma.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste

    Of course the best bit of unplugged guitar music in living memory is Freelove Freeway by David Brent.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited October 2014
    antifrank said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste

    I like "Save Your Love". It's great for karaoke. But I don't think that UKIP would approve of "save your love for Roma and for me". They're not too keen on the Roma.
    I don't think they'd approve of the line

    "The reddest rose I always bring you"

    or the bit they talk in Jonny Foreigner language, given Nigel Farage's view on Foreign Languages on the trains.
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    FalseFlag said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29715630

    £70,000 per foreign prisoner D:

    Jamaicans third for nationality of foreign prisoners.
    Jamaicans are the 10th biggest foreign population in the UK, but the 3rd biggest in terms of prisoners, so definitely overrepresented.

    But the people that really stand out are Romanians: 4th biggest criminal population despite only being the 20th largest foreign population. If I didn't know better, I would guess that the turmoil in the country since the fall of Ceaucescu has caused rampant rates of criminality in the country, that is now being exported here.

    If only we had a brave political leader that could draw attention to this pressing issue...
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Just seen this on Beeb. "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29719090”
    "A victim of historical child sexual abuse has launched a legal challenge to the choice of Fiona Woolf as the chair of the inquiry investigating the issue.”

    I don’t think having dinner a neighbour a few times in 10+ years should disqualify someone from getting on with this!

    We had dinner with our former neighbours once or twice; I don’t we agreed about anything except how often our mutual hedge should be cut!

    At this rate the inquiry will never get off the ground. The best can be the enemy of the good.

    This isn't the best being the enemy of the good

    This is politically motivated bullsh1t by people either (a) want to bash the Tories and don't give a flying f*ck about the victims or (b) want to delay the inquiry because they fear the consequences. It's pathetic.
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    It would appear Labour strategy is to do nothing and hope for the best, as opposed to the tories who are throwing the kitchen sink at it. If the tories lose Cameron really has nowhere to go, Milliband will be hoping that's the case and consequently is avoiding the place.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Re: Sutton and Cheam. Yes Mark Senior is right to point out that the Council results and Ashcroft indicate a LD Hold. But the GE2010 results of Lab 7% and Greens 0.5% look certs to increase at this GE. I have Sutton and Cheam as a hold but the Con share is going to have to drop from the 42% last time.
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    Albanians are also shockingly high. The Wikipedia article stops listing foreign-born populations for those less than 20,000 in 2011. But there are 300 Albanians in prison here.

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014
    TheWatcher said:

    Scott_P said:

    @wallaceme: This week UKIP released a calypso and allied with a party that claims Jews run a "holocaust industry". Guess which they've apologised for.

    The latter was worth £1 million a year in funding, hence the silence.
    Shall we start listing quotes from members of parties in the Tories' grouping?
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Socrates said:

    Albanians are also shockingly high. The Wikipedia article stops listing foreign-born populations for those less than 20,000 in 2011. But there are 300 Albanians in prison here.

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Probably because most Albanians in the UK are young, single males. What we need are more Albanian family men, women, children and elderly people. That will get the proportion down.

  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014
    Oh look, the Tories are happy to ally with a group that has "Jew-free" signs on their houses:

    http://antisemitism.org.il/article/87101/jew-free-sign-kindergarten-owned-mp
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    SouthamObserver said:

    Socrates said:

    Albanians are also shockingly high. The Wikipedia article stops listing foreign-born populations for those less than 20,000 in 2011. But there are 300 Albanians in prison here.

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Probably because most Albanians in the UK are young, single males. What we need are more Albanian family men, women, children and elderly people. That will get the proportion down.

    It would probably put the net cost on the Treasury up though. You could address both issues by only letting in skilled professionals, who are both more likely to be self sufficient and less likely to commit crimes.
  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Yesterday Labour were due to introduce an amendment to a bill that would require late paying firms to have to pay interest at 8% above base rate, there was to be a vote on it. In principle I think this a very long overdue measure to tackle a problem that the Conservatives, to their shame, have shied away from. My Google-fu is weak, does any one know what happened to the vote.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/toby-perkins-mp/small-business_b_6019532.html

    The Lib Dems have also come up with another policy outline that should be welcomed - helping the over 55s move into smaller accommodation when they decide their present home is too big for them. Lots of detail to work out, of course, but in principle it is a very sound idea.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11176899/Move-out-of-your-big-homes-and-help-society-minister-tells-over-55s.html

  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Labour HQ would like some of their Rochester support to go to UKIP and beat the Conservative, thus causing Tory panic.

    Just shows how all PPC's, good and bad, are tossed around on national waves. Who'd be a PPC?
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    More files lost at the great flood at Kew. It does look like a plug for a BBC programme.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29719352

    Will anyone remind Mr Balls about this today.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Socrates said:

    Oh look, the Tories are happy to ally with a group that has "Jew-free" signs on their houses:

    http://antisemitism.org.il/article/87101/jew-free-sign-kindergarten-owned-mp

    Kippers keep on telling us they are different.

    Why don't you be unlike the Tories et al and not ally yourself with extremists.

    Oh yes, it's for the money innit?

    Money before principles, just like every political party out there.
  • Paul_Mid_Beds
    Paul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    CD13 said:


    I think Mike Reid and Ukip have achieved their objective - making the objectors look daft.

    And another dose of publicity.

    Quite.

    UKIP supporter releases crap song.

    Usual suspects bounce up and down with PC outrage ensuring massive publicity

    Songwriter retires hurt after being accused of the sin against the holy PC-ghost

    Ordinary people see another example of the smug liberal elite trying to censor freedom of expression and do down an underdog that dares challenge them.

    Lots more votes for UKIP

    Job done


  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    Socrates said:

    Oh look, the Tories are happy to ally with a group that has "Jew-free" signs on their houses:

    http://antisemitism.org.il/article/87101/jew-free-sign-kindergarten-owned-mp

    I'm not religious but doesn't this apply:
    http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-5.htm
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Many politicians justify immigration for the entrepreneurs it brings to the UK. Some of the entrepreneurs are criminals but clearly we only want the successful ones - those who don't get caught.

    So which countries provide the best entrepreneurial criminals who don't get caught? The stats only show the countries of the ones who get caught.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I see that kippers have reached level 3 of the true believer module, where every piece of news is interpreted as good news.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Socrates said:

    Oh look, the Tories are happy to ally with a group that has "Jew-free" signs on their houses:

    http://antisemitism.org.il/article/87101/jew-free-sign-kindergarten-owned-mp

    Kippers keep on telling us they are different.

    Why don't you be unlike the Tories et al and not ally yourself with extremists.

    Oh yes, it's for the money innit?

    Money before principles, just like every political party out there.


    UKIP partnerships with other political parties/MEPs at the EU is not just for the money.

    They also get front row speaking rights in the EU Parliament which is good for UKIP morale and gets under the skin of the Europhiles.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    antifrank said:

    I see that kippers have reached level 3 of the true believer module, where every piece of news is interpreted as good news.

    They are getting more and more like the cyberNats every day.

    I've just realised, if and when do you have an in/out referendum, and if in wins, the Kippers just won't let it lie.

    As Mike said, recently he's learnt that 45% represents a majority.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited October 2014
    Socrates said:

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Is that Marco from Tropoje and his mates... ?
  • CD13
    CD13 Posts: 6,386
    Casino,

    "For the past day, all I've had going round in my head is 'Underneath the Mango Tree', from Dr. No."

    You b*stard, so you've now condemned me to the same. I'm off for a beer in Liverpool, so God help the Scousers.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Paul_Mid_Beds said:

    CD13 said:


    I think Mike Reid and Ukip have achieved their objective - making the objectors look daft.

    And another dose of publicity.

    Quite.

    UKIP supporter releases crap song.

    Usual suspects bounce up and down with PC outrage ensuring massive publicity

    Songwriter retires hurt after being accused of the sin against the holy PC-ghost

    Ordinary people see another example of the smug liberal elite trying to censor freedom of expression and do down an underdog that dares challenge them.

    Lots more votes for UKIP

    Job done


    There is nothing more horrible than racism, but an entirely unfounded "ooh! racism!" isn't the unplayable ace of trumps card it was five years ago. I cannot bear to listen to the Read effort but it can scarcely be more annoying than the Simon Mayo, radio 2 jingle based on Banana Boat Song and done in a cod Belafonte accent. What's the difference?

    Tories and Lab both floundering for an attack line. After Carswell and Reckless I am afraid the general perception is that Ukip now is a very much more serious thing than Ukip two years ago and the lazy stereotypes no longer apply.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    David_Evershed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Socrates said:

    Oh look, the Tories are happy to ally with a group that has "Jew-free" signs on their houses:

    http://antisemitism.org.il/article/87101/jew-free-sign-kindergarten-owned-mp

    Kippers keep on telling us they are different.

    Why don't you be unlike the Tories et al and not ally yourself with extremists.

    Oh yes, it's for the money innit?

    Money before principles, just like every political party out there.


    UKIP partnerships with other political parties/MEPs at the EU is not just for the money.

    They also get front row speaking rights in the EU Parliament which is good for UKIP morale and gets under the skin of the Europhiles.
    So they can wind up their opponents, they are allying with Anti-Semites, got it.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCNormanS: UKIP say "a shame Mike Read has been treated so harshly by 'right on media'" over Calypso song
  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    @TSE

    'As Mike said, recently he's learnt that 45% represents a majority.'

    Surely a deferred success?
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    I see that kippers have reached level 3 of the true believer module, where every piece of news is interpreted as good news.

    They are getting more and more like the cyberNats every day.

    I've just realised, if and when do you have an in/out referendum, and if in wins, the Kippers just won't let it lie.

    This from an impartial man who thinks current polls are bad for Ukip
  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited October 2014
    Looking at the recent ComRes "prompt for UKIP" poll.

    UKIP win C2 (skilled working class) UKIP 36%, Lab 26%, Con 26%

    and they beat the Conservatives with DE groups. UKIP 30%, Lab 34%, Con 16%.

    p.21
    http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/ComRes_IoS_SM_Trial_voting_intention_wording_19th_October_2014.pdf

    That chimes with Election Data's observation in June that self-employed tradesmen had moved Con>UKIP.

    http://election-data.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/self-employment-and-flight-to-ukip.html
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    SouthamObserver said:

    Socrates said:

    Albanians are also shockingly high. The Wikipedia article stops listing foreign-born populations for those less than 20,000 in 2011. But there are 300 Albanians in prison here.

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Probably because most Albanians in the UK are young, single males. What we need are more Albanian family men, women, children and elderly people. That will get the proportion down.
    It will also be a factor that Romanians can live in the UK legally, as EU citizens, whereas you would expect that some of the Albanians in British prisons entered the country illegally, and so wouldn't have been in the official statistics.

    If there's an illegal population of Albanians who, apart from breaking immigration laws, keep their noses clean, then the statistical comparison Socrates makes will not be valid (but you can only use the figures you have).

    The illegal population of Albanians would have to be pretty large, though, and undetected illegal immigrants have already shown some aptitude for breaking the law and not being caught, which would swing the figures the other way.
  • Itajai
    Itajai Posts: 721
    SouthamObserver said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    The Conservatives should hold Battersea easily, as well.

    Got a view on Hendon? (Note: haven't researched it)

    My view on Hendon is that it is a place to be avoided. You could die of boredom there.

    Careful! Or you´ll get locked up or forced to apologise.
    Hendon itself is now "vibrant" (so HOW can i be boring?), so purely on that vibrancy I expect the whole seat´ll go Labour.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Socrates said:

    Oh look, the Tories are happy to ally with a group that has "Jew-free" signs on their houses:

    http://antisemitism.org.il/article/87101/jew-free-sign-kindergarten-owned-mp

    Shocking if true, but ...
    1. Why put up the sign in German rather than Latvian?
    2. Did the owner put up the sign or was it placed there by others for the photo to be taken?
    3. Is the image real or photo-shopped?
    4. The Russian RT TV network seems to be involved in various ways.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,862
    PMQs: who is sat next to PM?
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Dr. Spyn, reminds me of files mysteriously disappearing over the Rotherham disgrace.

    It stinks.
  • Itajai
    Itajai Posts: 721
    Socrates said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29715630

    £70,000 per foreign prisoner D:

    Jamaicans third for nationality of foreign prisoners.
    Jamaicans are the 10th biggest foreign population in the UK, but the 3rd biggest in terms of prisoners, so definitely overrepresented.

    But the people that really stand out are Romanians: 4th biggest criminal population despite only being the 20th largest foreign population. If I didn't know better, I would guess that the turmoil in the country since the fall of Ceaucescu has caused rampant rates of criminality in the country, that is now being exported here.

    If only we had a brave political leader that could draw attention to this pressing issue...

    Since the Romanian government track people by ethnic origin I think it would be possible to see within that group if any or no ethnicities were over represented. I suspect some are.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Tin foil hat wearers will have their cages well and truly rattled.

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 56m56 minutes ago
    Later today @Naomi_Long MP has an adjournment debate on intelligence services hide child sexual abuse. http://polho.me/1CUbsh7
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    I did read somewhere a while ago that one effective way to stop illegal immigration would be to provide a legal alternative which would be open to everyone. The suggestion was that you would have a lottery for immigration to the UK, and that this would be an attractive alternative to paying large sums of money to people-trafficking gangs.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Isam, if you think, that the supplementary polling that shows UKIP are the most disliked party, is also the most extreme, least fit to govern party is good polling, especially when tactical anti-UKIP voting is likely at the next election, then I can't help you.


  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    First time I've seen the Harperson look real daggers and disgust at her leader. If looks could kill................ I think dear old Eddie is surely for the chop now.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MShapland: Noise you can hear is Labour's historic lead on health being buried as Ed continues to drive it into the ground as a makeshift crutch #PMQs
  • Gadfly
    Gadfly Posts: 1,205
    Ed's "He's supposed to answer the questions" sounded like a 5-year old complaining to mummy about his 6-year old brother.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    rottenborough said:

    PMQs: who is sat next to PM?

    Nick Clegg, or you meant the beardy weirdy, Stephen Crabbe, Secretary of State for Wales.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,862
    Gadfly said:

    Ed's "He's supposed to answer the questions" sounded like a 5-year old complaining to mummy about his 6-year old brother.

    Best not to mention brothers
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MikeK said:

    First time I've seen the Harperson look real daggers and disgust at her leader. If looks could kill................ I think dear old Eddie is surely for the chop now.

    Harriet always looks in need of extra fibre in her diet at PMQs. Always.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Dr. Spyn, reminds me of files mysteriously disappearing over the Rotherham disgrace.

    It stinks.

    Not a good advertisement for good local government by Labour.

    James Hacker: How am I going to explain the missing documents to "The Mail"?
    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, this is what we normally do in circumstnces like these.
    James Hacker: [reads memo] This file contains the complete set of papers, except for a number of secret documents, a few others which are part of still active files, some correspondence lost in the floods of 1967...
    James Hacker: Was 1967 a particularly bad winter?
    Sir Humphrey Appleby: No, a marvellous winter. We lost no end of embarrassing files.

    http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0030014/quotes
  • Itajai
    Itajai Posts: 721
    OblitusSumMe said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Socrates said:

    Albanians are also shockingly high. The Wikipedia article stops listing foreign-born populations for those less than 20,000 in 2011. But there are 300 Albanians in prison here.

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Probably because most Albanians in the UK are young, single males. What we need are more Albanian family men, women, children and elderly people. That will get the proportion down.
    It will also be a factor that Romanians can live in the UK legally, as EU citizens, whereas you would expect that some of the Albanians in British prisons entered the country illegally, and so wouldn't have been in the official statistics.

    If there's an illegal population of Albanians who, apart from breaking immigration laws, keep their noses clean, then the statistical comparison Socrates makes will not be valid (but you can only use the figures you have).

    The illegal population of Albanians would have to be pretty large, though, and undetected illegal immigrants have already shown some aptitude for breaking the law and not being caught, which would swing the figures the other way.

    Plus how many Albanians how now been gifted UK passports and so don´t show up as foreign? There were plenty I saw in Montenegro waving their brand new UK passports at the airport.
    Very few Romanians would be asylum seekers. Plenty of Albanians and Kosovars would have entered the UK as such.
  • Bob__Sykes
    Bob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    I hope Labour do come through the middle in R&S and win it.

    Best result for the Tories. It will show how voting Farage will mean waking up with Ed.

    Come on reds.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JGForsyth: Baffled as to why Ed Miliband wants to become the defender for the Welsh government's handling of the NHS
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste

    I like "Save Your Love". It's great for karaoke. But I don't think that UKIP would approve of "save your love for Roma and for me". They're not too keen on the Roma.
    I don't think they'd approve of the line

    "The reddest rose I always bring you"

    or the bit they talk in Jonny Foreigner language, given Nigel Farage's view on Foreign Languages on the trains.
    The Johnny Foreigner stuff has always been my beef with Abba.

    First the excruciating Schwarzeneggereque accents: "When I keessed the teachah".

    Then the excruciating grammar: "No more ace to play"; "There's not I think a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see".

    Then the excruciating popspeak: "Feeling blue". "I was blue".

    It was only ever OKish bland background noise. I am baffled by the fuss.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,862
    Deeply poor Ed vs Cam session. Just yelling rubbish at each other. Am I getting old and nostalgic but I'm sure the Blair-era PMQs were better than this?
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Really p!$$ poor by miliband at PMQ's,he fell into camerons trap on the nhs.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    OblitusSumMe said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Socrates said:

    Albanians are also shockingly high. The Wikipedia article stops listing foreign-born populations for those less than 20,000 in 2011. But there are 300 Albanians in prison here.

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Probably because most Albanians in the UK are young, single males. What we need are more Albanian family men, women, children and elderly people. That will get the proportion down.
    It will also be a factor that Romanians can live in the UK legally, as EU citizens, whereas you would expect that some of the Albanians in British prisons entered the country illegally, and so wouldn't have been in the official statistics.

    If there's an illegal population of Albanians who, apart from breaking immigration laws, keep their noses clean, then the statistical comparison Socrates makes will not be valid (but you can only use the figures you have).

    The illegal population of Albanians would have to be pretty large, though, and undetected illegal immigrants have already shown some aptitude for breaking the law and not being caught, which would swing the figures the other way.
    20 years or so ago recall I having occasion to visit, for the purposes of inspection, a Care Home where most of the staff were Albanian/Kosovan.

    I don’t think it’s there now!
  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Isam, if you think, that the supplementary polling that shows UKIP are the most disliked party, is also the most extreme, least fit to govern party is good polling, especially when tactical anti-UKIP voting is likely at the next election, then I can't help you.


    The trouble is though UKIP are growing in terms of membership, support and influence. You may not like that and you can produce what supplementary polling you like but it doesn't change the fact that UKIP are now in Parliament and are likely to win some more seats at the next GE. Re-running the fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists line twenty times a day is not going to make any difference. It didn't work when Cameron first tried it and its not going to work now.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Isn't Ed being a complete failure at PMQs completely priced into everything though ?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Patrick said:

    Socrates said:

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Is that Marco from Tropoje and his mates... ?
    "Gud Lahk."

  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Bob__Sykes said:

    I hope Labour do come through the middle in R&S and win it.

    Best result for the Tories. It will show how voting Farage will mean waking up with Ed.

    Come on reds.

    Depends on whether the Tories are second to Labour, or third behind UKIP. If the latter then the lesson would surely be that a vote for Cameron will mean waking up with Ed...

    These tactical voting arguments can be a double-edged sword. Use them with care.
  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited October 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Isam, if you think, that the supplementary polling that shows UKIP are the most disliked party, is also the most extreme, least fit to govern party is good polling, especially when tactical anti-UKIP voting is likely at the next election, then I can't help you.

    Supplementary polling also shows that UKIP have a reservoir of potential converts to add to their current support. Including 28% of current-Conservative supporters.

    http://www.comres.co.uk/poll/1293/sunday-mirror-independent-on-sunday-poll.htm


  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,862
    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't Ed being a complete failure at PMQs completely priced into everything though ?

    I would say so. I think the public have made up their minds about Ed. The question now is whether it will matter when the votes are finally cast.
  • Itajai
    Itajai Posts: 721
    OblitusSumMe said:

    I did read somewhere a while ago that one effective way to stop illegal immigration would be to provide a legal alternative which would be open to everyone. The suggestion was that you would have a lottery for immigration to the UK, and that this would be an attractive alternative to paying large sums of money to people-trafficking gangs.

    So what the Americans do with their Green Card lottery? Except there are still plenty of illegals there.

    What are the pull factors in illegal immigration:
    better wages
    access to benefits and services
    lack of fear of detection
    promise of regularisation
    automatic (whatever the law says) naturalisation of children born here
    lack of fear of deportation

    There are plenty of ways to stop illegal immigration. Just that society would balk at some such measures.

    For example, why are illegal immigrants not jailed per se. It would soon get rid of the crowds at Calais.

    A strict jus sanguinis would ensure children born to illegals have no UK nationality.

    Criminality leads to deportation. Of the whole family.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    edited October 2014
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste

    I like "Save Your Love". It's great for karaoke. But I don't think that UKIP would approve of "save your love for Roma and for me". They're not too keen on the Roma.
    I don't think they'd approve of the line

    "The reddest rose I always bring you"

    or the bit they talk in Jonny Foreigner language, given Nigel Farage's view on Foreign Languages on the trains.
    The Johnny Foreigner stuff has always been my beef with Abba.

    First the excruciating Schwarzeneggereque accents: "When I keessed the teachah".

    Then the excruciating grammar: "No more ace to play"; "There's not I think a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see".

    Then the excruciating popspeak: "Feeling blue". "I was blue".

    It was only ever OKish bland background noise. I am baffled by the fuss.
    1. It is music.
    2. They sound foreign because they are foreign.
    3. Neither grammatical error you cite is a grammatical error.
    4. Is "Satisfaction" rubbish because MJ does not sing "I cannot get any satisfaction"?

  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Adam Boulton ‏@adamboultonSKY 11m11 minutes ago
    DC On unattributable quotes Labour Minister: We have a massive Miliband Problem
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Cameron spouting more bullshit over steel.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2014
    PMQs

    After Angela Eagle’s drubbing on Question Time, has Ed buried her out of camera shot?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    The parallels between UKIP and the SNP (UKIP in kilts) are stark

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11179456/Of-course-Ukip-wont-condemn-its-racist-new-partners-because-Ukip-is-the-cult-of-Nigel-Farage.html
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Cameron focuses on less important issues than damage from Christmas Island bomb tests. Can't say I'm impressed by his response.
  • CD13
    CD13 Posts: 6,386
    edited October 2014
    Antifrank,

    I think Ukip are still at the stage where any publicity is good publicity, or at worst, neutral. That may change soon, but at the moment, having your enemies look like hysterical children does no harm. I'm talking from the viewpoint of Ukip voters I know.

    I'm a NOTA who has left the LDs, and it feels like I'm watching a school yard argument from both sides.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Isam, if you think, that the supplementary polling that shows UKIP are the most disliked party, is also the most extreme, least fit to govern party is good polling, especially when tactical anti-UKIP voting is likely at the next election, then I can't help you.


    The trouble is though UKIP are growing in terms of membership, support and influence. You may not like that and you can produce what supplementary polling you like but it doesn't change the fact that UKIP are now in Parliament and are likely to win some more seats at the next GE. Re-running the fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists line twenty times a day is not going to make any difference. It didn't work when Cameron first tried it and its not going to work now.
    You hope
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    in touch with his inner Worcester Woman - cut for outrage, shock & awe.
  • FalseFlag
    FalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Casino_Royale said:

    Patrick said:

    Socrates said:

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Is that Marco from Tropoje and his mates... ?
    "Gud Lahk."

    You come to this country, take advantage of the system and think because we are tolerant that we are weak and helpless. Your arrogance offends me.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @chrisshipitv: A member of public just threw something at the glass and started shouting at PM. Been taken away #pmqs
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 14s14 seconds ago
    Altercation in public gallery. Sounded like someone threw something at glass screen. Doorkeepers in action
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Itajai said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    I did read somewhere a while ago that one effective way to stop illegal immigration would be to provide a legal alternative which would be open to everyone. The suggestion was that you would have a lottery for immigration to the UK, and that this would be an attractive alternative to paying large sums of money to people-trafficking gangs.

    So what the Americans do with their Green Card lottery? Except there are still plenty of illegals there.
    Yes, exactly like that - though I didn't know the Green Card was a lottery scheme until now.

    I wonder why the author of the piece I read hadn't heard of it?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Dissing Abba upsets me no end.

    It is likely to increase the probability of my future stints as guest editor only having threads about electoral reform.
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    edited October 2014
    Labour finishing 2nd behind UKIP would be a great result for them. It'd seriously damage Cameron, it'd make sitting Tory MPs in the area very nervous about their position and it would also make the previously safe seat, a UKIP versus Labour battle next May.

    They're only 6% off this after the first poll.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 37s37 seconds ago
    I remember when Tony Blair had purple powder thrown at him in days b4 glass screen installed. Today's missile sounded heavier
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Dissing Abba upsets me no end.

    It is likely to increase the probability of my future stints as guest editor only having threads about electoral reform.

    There are many different electoral systems to discuss - even if you start only with those in use in Europe.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    braying sound at Thornbury.

  • JonnyJimmy
    JonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    I see that kippers have reached level 3 of the true believer module, where every piece of news is interpreted as good news.

    They are getting more and more like the cyberNats every day.

    I've just realised, if and when do you have an in/out referendum, and if in wins, the Kippers just won't let it lie.

    As Mike said, recently he's learnt that 45% represents a majority.
    So which kipper is going to be the James Kelly, and which the malcolmg?

    I think isam has to be in the running for JK; he's quite insightful, gets in silly arguments and seems to get himself occasionally banned. All we need now is for him to set up his own website and start insulting you an Mike on it. Then he can achieve PBKipper martyrdom.

    Any takers for the kipper-malcolmg? You'll need some highly amusing insults to repeat ad infinitum and (obviously) a severe persecution complex
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    Red on purple

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11178984/Chuka-Umunna-on-Ukip-vile-abhorrent-and-un-British.html

    "The shadow business secretary suggested Ukip is not judged on the same terms as mainstream parties, saying that racism had been “priced in” by critics."

    UKIP should be wise not to attack Britain's Barack Obama.
    In what way is he Barack Obama?

    You mean he'll win the Nobel and keep Guantanamo open?
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited October 2014
    Ishmael_X said:

    Bond_James_Bond said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste

    I like "Save Your Love". It's great for karaoke. But I don't think that UKIP would approve of "save your love for Roma and for me". They're not too keen on the Roma.
    I don't think they'd approve of the line

    "The reddest rose I always bring you"

    or the bit they talk in Jonny Foreigner language, given Nigel Farage's view on Foreign Languages on the trains.
    The Johnny Foreigner stuff has always been my beef with Abba.

    First the excruciating Schwarzeneggereque accents: "When I keessed the teachah".

    Then the excruciating grammar: "No more ace to play"; "There's not I think a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see".

    Then the excruciating popspeak: "Feeling blue". "I was blue".

    It was only ever OKish bland background noise. I am baffled by the fuss.
    1. It is music.
    2. They sound foreign because they are foreign.
    3. Neither grammatical error you cite is a grammatical error.
    4. Is "Satisfaction" rubbish because MJ does not sing "I cannot get any satisfaction"?

    1. Debatable
    2. And they sound funny.
    3. I actually said it was excruciating. I am fairly sure "more ace" is grammatically incorrect, though. In either case why not consult with a native speaker and get it right? What's wrong with "No ace left to play" or "I don't think there's a single episode of Dallas that I haven't seen", which both scan and mean the same thing?
    4. No, because whereas lots of people say "I can't get no...", only Abba ever "feel blue". As a piece of purported English, this may exist in some Swedish school textbook on the English language, but it doesn't exist in the wild.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: A member of public just threw something at the glass and started shouting at PM. Been taken away #pmqs

    tim?

    :)
  • Gadfly
    Gadfly Posts: 1,205
    Douglas Carswell now on the Jeremy Vine show.
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    JonnyJimmy said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    I see that kippers have reached level 3 of the true believer module, where every piece of news is interpreted as good news.

    They are getting more and more like the cyberNats every day.

    I've just realised, if and when do you have an in/out referendum, and if in wins, the Kippers just won't let it lie.

    As Mike said, recently he's learnt that 45% represents a majority.
    So which kipper is going to be the James Kelly, and which the malcolmg?

    I think isam has to be in the running for JK; he's quite insightful, gets in silly arguments and seems to get himself occasionally banned. All we need now is for him to set up his own website and start insulting you an Mike on it. Then he can achieve PBKipper martyrdom.

    Any takers for the kipper-malcolmg? You'll need some highly amusing insults to repeat ad infinitum and (obviously) a severe persecution complex
    All kippers are malcolmg, pretty well.

  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    edited October 2014
    Casino_Royale said:

    Patrick said:

    Socrates said:

    At BEST that means one in every 65 Albanians in the UK is in prison...

    Is that Marco from Tropoje and his mates... ?
    "Gud Lahk."

    "You come to this country, take advantage of the system and think because we are tolerant that we are weak and helpless. Your arrogance offends me. And for that the rate just went up 10%."

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/quotes
  • CD13
    CD13 Posts: 6,386
    BJB,

    In Fernando, they sing "Since many years I haven't seen a rifle in your hands."

    But they can get away with it because the woman are attractive.

    Anyway, enough of this musicology - the Scouser pubs await.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Bond_James_Bond said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mike Read should apologise for his role in one of the worst bit of music in living memory.

    When even I say the song is bad, you know it's a terrible song, up there with Joe Dolce or Renée & Renato or Daphne & Celeste

    I like "Save Your Love". It's great for karaoke. But I don't think that UKIP would approve of "save your love for Roma and for me". They're not too keen on the Roma.
    I don't think they'd approve of the line

    "The reddest rose I always bring you"

    or the bit they talk in Jonny Foreigner language, given Nigel Farage's view on Foreign Languages on the trains.
    The Johnny Foreigner stuff has always been my beef with Abba.

    First the excruciating Schwarzeneggereque accents: "When I keessed the teachah".

    Then the excruciating grammar: "No more ace to play"; "There's not I think a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see".

    Then the excruciating popspeak: "Feeling blue". "I was blue".

    It was only ever OKish bland background noise. I am baffled by the fuss.
    1. It is music.
    2. They sound foreign because they are foreign.
    3. Neither grammatical error you cite is a grammatical error.
    4. Is "Satisfaction" rubbish because MJ does not sing "I cannot get any satisfaction"?

    1. Debatable
    2. And they sound funny.
    3. I actually said it was excruciating. I am fairly sure "more ace" is grammatically incorrect, though. In either case why not consult with a native speaker and get it right? What's wrong with "No ace left to play" or "I don't think there's a single episode of Dallas that I haven't seen", which both scan and mean the same thing?
    4. No, because whereas lots of people say "I can't get no...", only Abba ever "feel blue". As a piece of purported English, this may exist in some Swedish school textbook on the English language, but it doesn't exist in the wild.
    Del Shannon felt blue in "Black is Black".

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    The amount of naked attack pieces on UKIP in the press is really quite staggering. I think UKIP deeply worries alot of journos and their anxiety is palpable.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Isam, if you think, that the supplementary polling that shows UKIP are the most disliked party, is also the most extreme, least fit to govern party is good polling, especially when tactical anti-UKIP voting is likely at the next election, then I can't help you.


    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · Oct 17
    The rise of #UKIP part 1: vote shares at GB Westminster by-elections since GE 2010 - won Clacton, runners-up 8 times

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/523094299005956097

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · Oct 17
    The rise of #UKIP part 2: increase in UKIP vote-share at Westminster by-elections v. share at GE 2010 for each seat:

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/523095042186289152
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Just seen this on Beeb. "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29719090”
    "A victim of historical child sexual abuse has launched a legal challenge to the choice of Fiona Woolf as the chair of the inquiry investigating the issue.”

    I don’t think having dinner a neighbour a few times in 10+ years should disqualify someone from getting on with this!

    We had dinner with our former neighbours once or twice; I don’t we agreed about anything except how often our mutual hedge should be cut!

    At this rate the inquiry will never get off the ground. The best can be the enemy of the good.

    This isn't the best being the enemy of the good

    This is politically motivated bullsh1t by people either (a) want to bash the Tories and don't give a flying f*ck about the victims or (b) want to delay the inquiry because they fear the consequences. It's pathetic.
    I tend to agree. I was giving the challenger the benefit of the doubt.

  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Socrates said:

    Oh look, the Tories are happy to ally with a group that has "Jew-free" signs on their houses:

    http://antisemitism.org.il/article/87101/jew-free-sign-kindergarten-owned-mp

    Kippers keep on telling us they are different.

    Why don't you be unlike the Tories et al and not ally yourself with extremists.

    Oh yes, it's for the money innit?

    Money before principles, just like every political party out there.
    So you concede the Conservatives are as bad as UKIP on this matter?
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    Scott_P said:

    The parallels between UKIP and the SNP (UKIP in kilts) are stark

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11179456/Of-course-Ukip-wont-condemn-its-racist-new-partners-because-Ukip-is-the-cult-of-Nigel-Farage.html

    Clearly a nonsense point on here since both Richard Tyndall and I have criticised Farage over several issues. When do the Tory loyalists criticise Cameron?
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