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Alanbrooke Though I see Heidi Allen, picked to succeed Andrew Lansley in S Cambridgeshire last weekend, has a degree in Astrophysics from UCL and is now managing director of a family manufacturing business http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2014/10/heidi-allen-wins-south-cambridgeshire-selection.html
I suppose it is not too surprising though that would be politicians continue to study politics or PPE0 -
Rishi Sunak was head boy of Winchester College apparently, so a bit of a change from Hague's Wath on Dearne Comprehensive. Then followed by a 1st from Oxford, like Hague, Stanford and Goldman Sachs before founding his own investment firm, also seems to be involved with a number of charities
http://www.rishisunak.com/0 -
And he's a Saints fan.HYUFD said:Rishi Sunak was head boy of Winchester College apparently, so a bit of a change from Hague's Wath on Dean Comprehensive. Then followed by a 1st from Oxford, like Hague, Stanford and Goldman Sachs before founding his own investment firm, also seems to be involved with a number of charities
http://www.rishisunak.com/
So all in all, he's had a pretty good day.
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Not at all - you are very kind.Ishmael_X said:
My first post to you requires an apology. Sorry.TOPPING said:
Haha for god's sake man keep it quiet!Ishmael_X said:
Sorry, but your theory is just silly since it requires DC after over 4 years as PM of the UK to come over all queer twice, once at talking to HM the Q for what must be at least the hundredth time, and again at meeting a fairly rich former Mayor of New York (not their first meeting). As for your hinted connections, I am privately certain you are the Duke of Norfolk. But keep it to yourself.TOPPING said:
Calm down sunshine. I appreciate and sympathise with your personal circs but I have noticed an unnecessary barbed air to your posts of late.Ishmael_X said:
A particularly pathetic and inept bit of stealth boasting.TOPPING said:
The Queen has been dealing all her life with people who are and continue to be gobsmacked to be able to say they have met the queen.Peter_the_Punter said:"Topping
Oh well, that's allright then Topping. Sure Her Maj is just fine with it. Btw, did she tell you so personally or is it something you just picked up from connexions?
He didn't act 'gauchely'. He relayed details of conversations she was entitled to think were private. Most of us can understand how that feels.
Dave seems to have been no different which is a phenomenon I have noticed with people who you would have bet would have been as cool as you like.
As I said, he was intoxicated by his place at the top table and that he was walking along with Mike B. It was gauche and crass but nothing the Queen hasn't seen happen many many times.
Which is a shame as you always seemed quite acute on things.
We all bring here our various experiences in the world, whether it be sci-fi novels, the British Railway system, or our television preferences.
I, likewise, bring my experiences.
Yes of course you are right but in this instance I think there is some slack as it wasn't egregious and it conveyed the mood more than was a betrayal of confidences so might be put in the 'happens all the time' category.
As Bob Hope said to me...
PB is its own mad world and we all bang and crash around it at various times to various degrees.0 -
PeterThePunter Indeed, though judging from his CV Richmond is lucky to have him, whether a Southampton fan will go down well in north Yorkshire is another matter, might be sensible to switch to Leeds Utd!0
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It is NEVER sensible to switch to Leeds Utd, Hyufd.HYUFD said:PeterThePunter Indeed, though judging from his CV Richmond is lucky to have him, whether a Southampton fan will go down well in north Yorkshire is another matter, might be sensible to switch to Leeds Utd!
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PeterthePunter Well I assume they are the nearest big team to Richmond, otherwise Barnsley or Sheffield Utd?0
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Yes, they are the nearest team, but not the nearest football team.HYUFD said:PeterthePunter Well I assume they are the nearest big team to Richmond, otherwise Barnsley or Sheffield Utd?
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Come back next week end for new intriguing selections in...
Havant (Con)
Swansea East (Lab)
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so he ticks all the boxes of the people who got us in the shit in the first place.HYUFD said:Rishi Sunak was head boy of Winchester College apparently, so a bit of a change from Hague's Wath on Dearne Comprehensive. Then followed by a 1st from Oxford, like Hague, Stanford and Goldman Sachs before founding his own investment firm, also seems to be involved with a number of charities
http://www.rishisunak.com/
why should we expect a different outcome ?0 -
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
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so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
At this stage, Labour supporters regard the Tories as the main enemy. And vice versa. Many Tories regard UKIP as being on the same side as them, while many Labour supporters want to see the Tories get humiliated.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
At this stage there's little reason to expect widespread tactical voting against UKIP.
That could change if either group of supporters came to see UKIP as the main threat, but we aren't there yet.
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I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
Alanbrooke..Rishi is standing as a Conservative..not Labour0
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well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
I doubt it makes much difference Richard.richardDodd said:Alanbrooke..Rishi is standing as a Conservative..not Labour
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applying PR^2 to Fisher the outcome would be something like
Con 291
Lab 240
UKIP 55
LD 36
Nats 10
NI 180 -
AB..Yes it does...0
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he will feel more at home with nick palmer than he ever will with you.richardDodd said:AB..Yes it does...
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UKIP surge in richmond?Alanbrooke said:
so he ticks all the boxes of the people who got us in the shit in the first place.HYUFD said:Rishi Sunak was head boy of Winchester College apparently, so a bit of a change from Hague's Wath on Dearne Comprehensive. Then followed by a 1st from Oxford, like Hague, Stanford and Goldman Sachs before founding his own investment firm, also seems to be involved with a number of charities
http://www.rishisunak.com/
why should we expect a different outcome ?0 -
Lord Ashcroft might be better holding off doing a survey of Scottish Westminster seats until after the New Year, rather than in the immediate aftermath of the Independence Referendum. I suspect that might give us a far clearer snapshot of Scots voting intentions, tactical or otherwise in key seats at the next GE.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can see the SNP picking up some seats from the Lib Dems, so definitely mean.david_herdson said:That projection looks short in terms of Others. How does that 30 break down? 18 NI so 12 GB. 6 SNP, 3 Plaid, 2 UKIP 1 Green? Strikes me as a bit mean to both the SNP and UKIP.
Hopefully the Lord A poll on Lab held seats in Scotland will tell us more soon.-1 -
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
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Well after the New Year I would suggest, for sensible results!fitalass said:Lord Ashcroft might be better holding off doing a survey of Scottish Westminster seats until after the New Year, rather than in the immediate aftermath of the Independence Referendum. I suspect that might give us a far clearer snapshot of Scots voting intentions, tactical or otherwise in key seats at the next GE.
TheScreamingEagles said:
You can see the SNP picking up some seats from the Lib Dems, so definitely mean.david_herdson said:That projection looks short in terms of Others. How does that 30 break down? 18 NI so 12 GB. 6 SNP, 3 Plaid, 2 UKIP 1 Green? Strikes me as a bit mean to both the SNP and UKIP.
Hopefully the Lord A poll on Lab held seats in Scotland will tell us more soon.0 -
although, take note that under PR^2 Labour would have every incentive to kick its lazy-ass supporters down to a polling-station, thereby increasing its vote and seat total...RodCrosby said:applying PR^2 to Fisher the outcome would be something like
Con 291
Lab 240
UKIP 55
LD 36
Nats 10
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More that we see much of the criticism of UKIP as being paranoid or self-serving.antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
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The idea that Lab voters will explicitly vote for Cameron and Tories for Miliband is beyond ridiculousSean_F said:
At this stage, Labour supporters regard the Tories as the main enemy. And vice versa. Many Tories regard UKIP as being on the same side as them, while many Labour supporters want to see the Tories get humiliated.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
At this stage there's little reason to expect widespread tactical voting against UKIP.
That could change if either group of supporters came to see UKIP as the main threat, but we aren't there yet.
But I suppose if the people on here are stupid enough to swallow it, at least it will shut up the Tories who say voting UKIP gets you Miliband... hardly a plausible threat from people who are voting Miliband themselves0 -
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.0 -
The tone of injured innocence of many kippers at the outrage and disdain they receive is weirdly like that of Frankie Boyle, and about as well-grounded.Sean_F said:
More that we see much of the criticism of UKIP as being paranoid or self-serving.antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
Alanbrooke..No idea what you mean by that..I dont think anyone could feel at home with NPXMP
I work in London and work extremely hard...But get well paid for it..and why not0 -
Alanbrooke Indeed, but I suppose he was never a SPAD. As I also pointed out Heidi Allen, picked in S Cambridgeshire last weekend, has a degree in Astrophysics from UCL and is managing director of a family manufacturing business0
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It's ok. As good metropolitan liberals, we'll give generous overseas aid to the Impoverished provinces, though we'll attach strings to make sure that the government of rUK isn't too Neanderthal.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.
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LOLantifrank said:
It's ok. As good metropolitan liberals, we'll give generous overseas aid to the Impoverished provinces, though we'll attach strings to make sure that the government of rUK isn't too Neanderthal.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.
that's where Cameron gets it wrong too, he thinks that we vote on wealth rather than numbers of voters. Ultimately you'll do what you're told when we tire of bailing you out.0 -
I agree that we'll not see much stability till after New Year, or till after the Burns Suppers. Once we all sober up though ..... :-)fitalass said:
Lord Ashcroft might be better holding off doing a survey of Scottish Westminster seats until after the New Year, rather than in the immediate aftermath of the Independence Referendum. I suspect that might give us a far clearer snapshot of Scots voting intentions, tactical or otherwise in key seats at the next GE.
TheScreamingEagles said:
You can see the SNP picking up some seats from the Lib Dems, so definitely mean.david_herdson said:That projection looks short in terms of Others. How does that 30 break down? 18 NI so 12 GB. 6 SNP, 3 Plaid, 2 UKIP 1 Green? Strikes me as a bit mean to both the SNP and UKIP.
Hopefully the Lord A poll on Lab held seats in Scotland will tell us more soon.0 -
Antifrank has an obsession with accusing people or groups of being parasitic, which always makes me smile when I remember his profession.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.0 -
oh he's simply having his bit of fun.maaarsh said:
Antifrank has an obsession with accusing people or groups of being parasitic, which always makes me smile when I remember his profession.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.
remember he's from Norfolk so he thinks Y fronts are swish :-)0 -
Oi, Ed Milliband is a Leeds fan don't ya know!Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, they are the nearest team, but not the nearest football team.HYUFD said:PeterthePunter Well I assume they are the nearest big team to Richmond, otherwise Barnsley or Sheffield Utd?
Nearest "big" team to Richmond is Middlesbrough of course.0 -
PeterThePunter I believe Richmond does have a football team, Richmond Town FC which plays in the Wearside League and was aptly known as Cameron United (1960'S) and Young Conservatives (1960's) http://www.richmondtownfc.org/club/History0
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All this endless UKIP wibble, makes me look back to AV discussion with the air of a golden age. There can't be much kool aid left in the country.0
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And yet, you've voted in the past for the looniest of the loons, the Green Party. Think what they'd do to London's economy.antifrank said:
The tone of injured innocence of many kippers at the outrage and disdain they receive is weirdly like that of Frankie Boyle, and about as well-grounded.Sean_F said:
More that we see much of the criticism of UKIP as being paranoid or self-serving.antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
Doubt it . Even in the Euros the Tories won both council districts that the Richmond seat is made up from. It will be interesting to see how much UKIP eat into Hague's 23,000 majority but I think that one is a Con Hold......Paul_Mid_Beds said:
UKIP surge in richmond?Alanbrooke said:
so he ticks all the boxes of the people who got us in the shit in the first place.HYUFD said:Rishi Sunak was head boy of Winchester College apparently, so a bit of a change from Hague's Wath on Dearne Comprehensive. Then followed by a 1st from Oxford, like Hague, Stanford and Goldman Sachs before founding his own investment firm, also seems to be involved with a number of charities
http://www.rishisunak.com/
why should we expect a different outcome ?
Hambleton Euro elections 2014
Con 39%
UKIP 29%
Lab 12%
Grn 8%
LD 6%
Richmondshire Euro Elections 2014
Con 37%
UKIP 32%
Lab 11%
Grn 9%.
LD 6%
UK General Election 2010
Con 63%
LD 19%
Lab 15%
Grn 3%0 -
John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
28% of Tory voters would "seriously consider" voting UKIP; & 21% of Labour voters could vote Green: ComRes @IndyOnSunday0 -
oldnat, have to agree with you there.
oldnat said:
Let's wait for some actual Scottish polling over a series of polls, before leaping to conclusions. I suspect there is a lot of volatility in Scotland at the moment and, while I'd love to see SLab consigned to oblivion, I'm making no assumptions at the moment.HYUFD said:Unfortunately the new Scotland poll figures, giving an astonishing 21% swing from Labour to the SNP and a 13% swing from Labour to the Tories in Scotland mean these figures are now outdated, it is looking increasingly possible the SNP and UKIP could hold the balance of power on present numbers
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Good evening, everyone.0
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As an ex resident of the constituency of Richmond, it will be staunchly Tory next time around.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
UKIP surge in richmond?Alanbrooke said:
so he ticks all the boxes of the people who got us in the shit in the first place.HYUFD said:Rishi Sunak was head boy of Winchester College apparently, so a bit of a change from Hague's Wath on Dearne Comprehensive. Then followed by a 1st from Oxford, like Hague, Stanford and Goldman Sachs before founding his own investment firm, also seems to be involved with a number of charities
http://www.rishisunak.com/
why should we expect a different outcome ?
That said, I do expect UKIP to go up a lot in the seat, mostly because William Hague was very popular (he made Richmond the safest Tory seat in the country at one point)0 -
The Woodpecker I tend to think of Middlesborough as North East, although it does lie in the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire0
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Been there Mr Rentoul, so I sympathise
John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
Apologies. Fat Fingers here just broke my own embargo. Last tweet is for 7.30.0 -
Alanbrooke Lehmans had a London HQ which was not bailed out of course, albeit a US government decision0
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Post polling evidence which supports your hypothesis then.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
We've been here before....this is INDYREF all over again - the true believers oblivious to the data....inconvenient polls waved away as irrelevant.....0 -
Broke his own embargo!TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
28% of Tory voters would "seriously consider" voting UKIP; & 21% of Labour voters could vote Green: ComRes @IndyOnSunday0 -
No we understand perfectly. God after how many times they have banged on and on and on about it (do they talk about anything else?) we really do understand. The only thing is we don't give a flying fornication what they think and we treat such people with the disdain and total contempt they fully deserve.antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
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Oh I don't think that's just a single issue; it's bust banks, rigged interest rates, serial criminality, missold just about everything. The hard thing really, is it could all happen again today as Carney pointed out.HYUFD said:Alanbrooke Lehmans had a London HQ which was not bailed out of course, albeit a US government decision
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With the difference being that in actual elections where people vote, tens of thousands of people who voted Labour or Tory in 2010 voted UKIP last weekCarlottaVance said:
Post polling evidence which supports your hypothesis then.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
We've been here before....this is INDYREF all over again - the true believers oblivious to the data....inconvenient polls waved away as irrelevant.....0 -
" 21% of Labour voters could vote Green ".TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
28% of Tory voters would "seriously consider" voting UKIP; & 21% of Labour voters could vote Green: ComRes @IndyOnSunday
A cry for help.
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Metropolitan liberals aren't even a majority in London. Its just the left have imported a hell of a lot of ethnic minorities that they have conned into believing you have the same beliefs.antifrank said:
It's ok. As good metropolitan liberals, we'll give generous overseas aid to the Impoverished provinces, though we'll attach strings to make sure that the government of rUK isn't too Neanderthal.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.0 -
Remind me which of the London banks were bailed out at the expense of the British taxpayer again?Alanbrooke said:
LOLantifrank said:
It's ok. As good metropolitan liberals, we'll give generous overseas aid to the Impoverished provinces, though we'll attach strings to make sure that the government of rUK isn't too Neanderthal.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.
that's where Cameron gets it wrong too, he thinks that we vote on wealth rather than numbers of voters. Ultimately you'll do what you're told when we tire of bailing you out.
(I guess Lloyds is London based, and made the terrible error of helping out the government by buying HBoS. That'll teach them to try and help out.)0 -
London only functions thanks to the more sensible voters that commute in every day from the home counties.antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
All of them via quantitative easing.rcs1000 said:
Remind me which of the London banks were bailed out at the expense of the British taxpayer again?Alanbrooke said:
LOLantifrank said:
It's ok. As good metropolitan liberals, we'll give generous overseas aid to the Impoverished provinces, though we'll attach strings to make sure that the government of rUK isn't too Neanderthal.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.
that's where Cameron gets it wrong too, he thinks that we vote on wealth rather than numbers of voters. Ultimately you'll do what you're told when we tire of bailing you out.
(I guess Lloyds is London based, and made the terrible error of helping out the government by buying HBoS. That'll teach them to try and help out.)0 -
I suspect that tonight's ComRes poll will show that the proportion of Conservative supporters who'd consider voting Labour is far lower than the 28% who'd consider voting UKIP.CarlottaVance said:
Post polling evidence which supports your hypothesis then.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
We've been here before....this is INDYREF all over again - the true believers oblivious to the data....inconvenient polls waved away as irrelevant.....
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Not many have "seriously considered" it in any by-elections/local elections/European elections yet.MonikerDiCanio said:
" 21% of Labour voters could vote Green ".TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
28% of Tory voters would "seriously consider" voting UKIP; & 21% of Labour voters could vote Green: ComRes @IndyOnSunday
A cry for help.
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Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
Obviously none which is why we had over £1 tillion of financial sector intervention picked up by the tax payer.rcs1000 said:
Remind me which of the London banks were bailed out at the expense of the British taxpayer again?Alanbrooke said:
LOLantifrank said:
It's ok. As good metropolitan liberals, we'll give generous overseas aid to the Impoverished provinces, though we'll attach strings to make sure that the government of rUK isn't too Neanderthal.Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.
that's where Cameron gets it wrong too, he thinks that we vote on wealth rather than numbers of voters. Ultimately you'll do what you're told when we tire of bailing you out.
(I guess Lloyds is London based, and made the terrible error of helping out the government by buying HBoS. That'll teach them to try and help out.)0 -
It's the left conning the liberals conning the metropolitans conning Labour conning the immigrants conning the left conning the (repeat ad infinitum; amend as required for left-wing false consciousness rant)Socrates said:Metropolitan liberals aren't even a majority in London. Its just the left have imported a hell of a lot of ethnic minorities that they have conned into believing you have the same beliefs.
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Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
I wasn't going to point that out out of compassion for his embarrassment......TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
FPT on how UKIP and Greens would fare in different electoral systems.
@david_herdson Many thanks for the excellent top-of-the-head estimates and reasoning, on top of a fine thread header. And apologies for somewhat ballsing up the terminology...david_herdson said:
My top-of-my-head thoughts:
Full list PR. Labour do a good deal worse than FPTP, the Tories a little worse and the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid a little better. UKIP end up with 100+ MPs and the Greens and other minority parties poll higher than at present. Parliament ends up with a whole profusion of fringe parties with 1-10 MPs but there are still four main blocks. c.40-60 Greens
List PR operated regionally with a threshold. Zaps all the fringe parties but otherwise as above. With a high-ish threshold (say, 5%), the Greens may struggle in some regions. c.30-50 Greens
AMS. Depends on the size of the constituencies but if, as in Scotland, we're looking at 15-20 MPs per area (half FPTP, half top-up), then that would also impose a high enough threshold to hit parties polling sub-5%. This effect hit the Scottish Greens in 2011, who were consistently at the cusp of picking up regional seats and only ended up with 2 MSPs (i.e. 1.5% of the parliament) on 4.4% of the vote. c.20-30 Greens.
STV. Would need much smaller seats to be able to operate - probably 4-7 MPs per constituency. The higher threshold would not only hit the Greens very hard but would start to hit the Lib Dems widely too, and UKIP, Labour and the Tories more selectively. UKIP would particularly suffer from a lack of transfers with Labour probably gaining most due to other left-of-centre parties being eliminated. On current polling however, a Con-UKIP majority government would still be possible. c.10 Greens
Open lists in STV-sized constituencies (my preferred option). Similar to the above except that the effect of transfers would be eliminated. c.10 Greens.
Whatever system is used, PR would benefit the smaller parties but the specific choice would have a big impact on by how much each is assisted.0 -
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
Yep.....it's INDYREF 2......manofkent2014 said:
The only thing is we don't give a flying fornication what they think and we treat such people with the disdain and total contempt they fully deserve.antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 840 -
We shouldn't point out the polling facts to these Cyber-Kippers, because you know, we're both out of touch, metropolitan elite, PB Tory fops, we have no idea what's going out on the ground.CarlottaVance said:
I wasn't going to point that out out of compassion for his embarrassment......TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4 Half sample prompted w UKIP in Q: Lab 31 Con 29 UKIP 240 -
Would love it if half the voters do change their mindTheScreamingEagles said:
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
Good news for UKIP and the Greens.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
28% of Tory voters would "seriously consider" voting UKIP; & 21% of Labour voters could vote Green: ComRes @IndyOnSunday
2015 gets still harder to predict.0 -
Bad news for you lot, is that history shows they tend to go back to the government of the day.isam said:
Would love it if half the voters do change their mindTheScreamingEagles said:
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
YepTheScreamingEagles said:
Bad news for you lot, is that history shows they tend to go back to the government of the day.isam said:
Would love it if half the voters do change their mindTheScreamingEagles said:
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
You really should just knuckle down, and vote for a proper political party iSam. UKIP are obviously finished.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
See, for all the froth and breathlessness on pb that's hardly a massive UKIP breakthrough. It's only going to get tougher for them next year.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 40 -
Swingback?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Bad news for you lot, is that history shows they tend to go back to the government of the day.isam said:
Would love it if half the voters do change their mindTheScreamingEagles said:
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.
When you look at the breakdowns from Ashcroft polls of the % of voters from each party who would consider changing their mind, if they all did, it would be better for the small parties than the big 2
Still the twisting on here that the polls are bad for UKIP at the moment is good value entertainment, keep it coming!0 -
What like they did in 2010?TheScreamingEagles said:
Bad news for you lot, is that history shows they tend to go back to the government of the day.isam said:
Would love it if half the voters do change their mindTheScreamingEagles said:
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.
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yes, but only over time. Give it a decade or so.audreyanne said:
YepTheScreamingEagles said:
Bad news for you lot, is that history shows they tend to go back to the government of the day.isam said:
Would love it if half the voters do change their mindTheScreamingEagles said:
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.0 -
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Yep, these record highs are a real disappointmentaudreyanne said:
See, for all the froth and breathlessness on pb that's hardly a massive UKIP breakthrough. It's only going to get tougher for them next year.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 40 -
Yes, and with only 28% of current-Con thinking about voting UKIP, they really can't hope for much over 30% on their best day. Doomed.audreyanne said:
See, for all the froth and breathlessness on pb that's hardly a massive UKIP breakthrough. It's only going to get tougher for them next year.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 40 -
Baxterised ?TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4 Half sample prompted w UKIP in Q: Lab 31 Con 29 UKIP 240 -
I expect we'll be wrong.....like last time......TheScreamingEagles said:
We shouldn't point out the polling facts to these Cyber-Kippers, because you know, we're both out of touch, metropolitan elite, PB Tory fops, we have no idea what's going out on the ground.CarlottaVance said:
I wasn't going to point that out out of compassion for his embarrassment......TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.
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Chin up iSam. Remember, this too shall pass.isam said:
Yep, these record highs are a real disappointmentaudreyanne said:
See, for all the froth and breathlessness on pb that's hardly a massive UKIP breakthrough. It's only going to get tougher for them next year.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4
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Import? You import goods and services. Does Socrates regard immigrants as somehow less than human? Of course, the immigrants arriving from EU countries do not get votes, while many immigrant communities in London are long-established.EPG said:
It's the left conning the liberals conning the metropolitans conning Labour conning the immigrants conning the left conning the (repeat ad infinitum; amend as required for left-wing false consciousness rant)Socrates said:Metropolitan liberals aren't even a majority in London. Its just the left have imported a hell of a lot of ethnic minorities that they have conned into believing you have the same beliefs.
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Yea, it all goes to show how unpopular UKIP have become.anotherDave said:
Yes, and with only 28% of current-Con thinking about voting UKIP, they really can't hope for much over 30% on their best day. Doomed.audreyanne said:
See, for all the froth and breathlessness on pb that's hardly a massive UKIP breakthrough. It's only going to get tougher for them next year.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4
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I suspect small but stable Labour majority.surbiton said:
Baxterised ?TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4 Half sample prompted w UKIP in Q: Lab 31 Con 29 UKIP 240 -
UKIP zero seatssurbiton said:
Baxterised ?TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4 Half sample prompted w UKIP in Q: Lab 31 Con 29 UKIP 240 -
And fined for scruffy turnout.isam said:
UKIP zero seatssurbiton said:
Baxterised ?TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4 Half sample prompted w UKIP in Q: Lab 31 Con 29 UKIP 240 -
Socrates is Lord Freud, and Southam is Angela Eagle!SouthamObserver said:
Import? You import goods and services. Does Socrates regard immigrants as somehow less than human? Of course, the immigrants arriving from EU countries do not get votes, while many immigrant communities in London are long-established.EPG said:
It's the left conning the liberals conning the metropolitans conning Labour conning the immigrants conning the left conning the (repeat ad infinitum; amend as required for left-wing false consciousness rant)Socrates said:Metropolitan liberals aren't even a majority in London. Its just the left have imported a hell of a lot of ethnic minorities that they have conned into believing you have the same beliefs.
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Alanbrooke If there is a next time it would not just be the one bank going bust, I would imagine public opinion would be so strong the Tea Party or UKIP could win on a 'no bailouts' platform. Remember the US House of Representatives initially voted down the bailout0
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The 31/29/24 poll givessurbiton said:
Baxterised ?TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4 Half sample prompted w UKIP in Q: Lab 31 Con 29 UKIP 24
C 289
L 307
LD 20
UKIP 5
I think if UKIP get 24% they will get a lot more than 5 and they wont get any of the 5 seats Baxter suggests they will ie
Argyll & Bute
Cambridgeshire (Hupperts Seat !)
Gordon
Inverness Nairn Badenoch and Strathspey
Devon North (well maybe)
Baxters methodology seems to have UKIP as a some sort of Anti Liberal (in the sense of Antimatter) vote.0 -
No, London mainly functions on the back of minimum wage men and women who wake up at the crack of dawn and get buses and tubes to work. The wealth creators tend to live in the places in inner London which a few decades ago were home to large working class communities.Socrates said:London only functions thanks to the more sensible voters that commute in every day from the home counties.
antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
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How foolish UKIP are to trudge on. Still they're all fruitcakes, so they probably just don't know better.Sean_F said:
Yea, it all goes to show how unpopular UKIP have become.anotherDave said:
Yes, and with only 28% of current-Con thinking about voting UKIP, they really can't hope for much over 30% on their best day. Doomed.audreyanne said:
See, for all the froth and breathlessness on pb that's hardly a massive UKIP breakthrough. It's only going to get tougher for them next year.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 40 -
If Socrates did not mean to use the word import when he wrote it he can let us know. The fact is that import is a term that usually applies to goods and services.isam said:
Socrates is Lord Freud, and Southam is Angela Eagle!SouthamObserver said:
Import? You import goods and services. Does Socrates regard immigrants as somehow less than human? Of course, the immigrants arriving from EU countries do not get votes, while many immigrant communities in London are long-established.EPG said:
It's the left conning the liberals conning the metropolitans conning Labour conning the immigrants conning the left conning the (repeat ad infinitum; amend as required for left-wing false consciousness rant)Socrates said:Metropolitan liberals aren't even a majority in London. Its just the left have imported a hell of a lot of ethnic minorities that they have conned into believing you have the same beliefs.
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You keep on engaging in polling denying, I'm loving it, it reminds me of the Kippers in Kilts.isam said:
Swingback?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Bad news for you lot, is that history shows they tend to go back to the government of the day.isam said:
Would love it if half the voters do change their mindTheScreamingEagles said:
As all the polling past and present shows, about half of the voters won't make up their mind until the campaign begins/are ready to change their mind, these supplementaries are useful to see how they will break closer to the election.isam said:
Haven't the polls been awful for us recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
Err they did ask that question.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
And do you seriously think that if Labour voters had been asked the question "Are the Tory Party extreme?" much less than 84% of people would say yes?CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
You Kippers are really into polling denial aren't you.
When you look at the breakdowns from Ashcroft polls of the % of voters from each party who would consider changing their mind, if they all did, it would be better for the small parties than the big 2
Still the twisting on here that the polls are bad for UKIP at the moment is good value entertainment, keep it coming!
http://may2015.com/ideas/what-does-history-suggest-will-happen-in-the-polls/0
