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Will Sunak’s position be stronger or weaker after today? – politicalbetting.com

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,189

    What would be even more interesting is them settling into Storming as second fiddle to Sinn Fein. Hell will have indeed frozen over and Sunak deserves a by for the next five GEs.
    You assume that accepting the deal with the EU and reconvening Stormont are linked. Why is that?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013
    biggles said:

    Too religious.
    Baker is an evangelical Baptist I believe yes
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    The Queen lost all support when she agreed to Boris Johnson's unlawful prorogation.
    The Queen also signed Hilary Benn's delay Brexit Bill, the monarch is neutral on Brexit
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    I tell you why he's moving towards the mainstream.

    He's got a 4,000 vote majority in a seat that voted Remain, oh and Labour have 6,000 Lib Dem voters to squeeze.
    Steve Baker is literally the ONLY Brexiteer that I have not seen make mendacious claims about Brexit.

    I like him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,189
    pm215 said:

    In my experience it's quite common for private sector firms to use contractors instead of permanent staff for some work, or to contract out catering or cleaning rather than employing cooks and janitors as would likely have been done in the distant past; in both cases essentially as an "accounting trick", since they pay for the work to be done either way.

    Many private firms are moving away from “Permanent Contractors” - partly from IR35. But mostly from realising that is more expensive.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,555
    What percentage of teachers are on national pay rates? Private schools teachers are not, accademy and free school teachers are not.

    How many are left?

    If teachers are striking, accademies separately employ staff, so does that require separate approvals and votes under the trade union law?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    HYUFD said:

    Baker is an evangelical Baptist I believe yes
    Thank you - couldn’t find the right words myself and I know “too religious” is a bit crude.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    And, in "oh, hello" rumours;

    NEW: Irish News reporting that DUP likely to accept deal (going against all expectations locally). Dinner with supporters tonight.

    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1630194890821840901

    If so, it's game over, isn't it?

    POBJWAS
    Potential bounce for Sunak if he gets the DUP on board, they are key for it to be a really meaningful Deal
  • Ugh, Steve Baker has a MSc from JCL St Cross College, Oxford.
  • biggles said:

    At some point we need have a proper debate about restructuring the police (far fewer forces) and getting bang for our buck. Numbers are now more or less back where they were, so they can’t blame that. They need to get more efficient.
    We add new laws and make existing legislation more complex every year.

    We need the opposite, politicians willing to reduce and simplify the system. Alongside better education and more meritocracy which are the best ways to reduce crime and make a cohesive society.
  • Sadly for Sunak this is what will move votes.

    The energy regulator has cut its price cap by £999 but households are still expected to see a rise of up to £500 in their bills from April.

    Ofgem has reduced the cap on the amount that energy suppliers would be able to charge a dual-fuel household from £4,279 to £3,280 from April 1. However, at the same time the government’s energy price guarantee, which determines the price households are actually charged at present, is becoming less generous.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ofgem-cuts-energy-price-cap-but-bills-are-still-set-to-rise-hvnjfx73d
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    Another good reason to ditch the unelected monarchy.

    The King is to meet the president of the European Commission today, a decision that was immediately criticised by unionists and Brexiteer Conservatives as crass, tone deaf and antagonistic.

    Buckingham Palace said the decision had been made on the advice of the prime minister and insisted that the King and Ursula von der Leyen would discuss “a range of topics” not simply the Brexit deal that she is expected to seal with Rishi Sunak in Windsor today.

    “The King is pleased to meet any world leader if they are visiting Britain and it is the government’s advice that he should do so,” the palace said.

    Charles and Von der Leyen will sit down to tea late this afternoon during their meeting in which a range of topics are expected to be discussed, including climate change and the situation in Ukraine.

    But Arlene Foster, the former DUP first minister, tweeted: “I cannot quite believe that No 10 would ask the King to become involved in the finalising of a deal as controversial as this one. It’s crass and will go down very badly in NI. We must remember this is not the King’s decision but the government who it appears are tone deaf.”

    Jacob Rees-Mogg, the former cabinet minister, told Sky News: “It is surprising that the King will meet Ursula von der Leyen today as it antagonises the people the PM needs to conciliate. It is also constitutionally unwise to involve the King in a matter of immediate political controversy.”

    Downing Street insisted the meeting with von der Leyen was a matter for Buckingham Palace. “He firmly believes it’s for the King to make those decisions,” Sunak’s spokesman said.

    “It’s not uncommon for his majesty to accept invitations to meet certain leaders, he has met President Duda and President Zelensky recently. He is meeting with the president of the EU today.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-deal-rishi-sunak-latest-news-eu-northern-ireland-protocol-qpwv9wbf0

    Von Der Leyen is effectively Head of State of the EU, so the King is merely meeting a fellow Head of State.

    Sunak actually did the Deal with her, not the King, in terms of their roles as Heads of Government. The King as a constitutional monarch is only Head of State however, not Head of Government
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    Yes. It looks like Rishi Sunak is about to Get Brexit Done. Ok, so I bet many in the party will be deeply disturbed about the ongoing role in our affairs of the ... my fingers tremble as I type the dreaded words ... European Court of Justice, but no matter. For his PMship to mean anything he had to face them down and act in the national interest. He has. Hats off.
  • HYUFD said:

    The Queen also signed Hilary Benn's delay Brexit Bill, the monarch is neutral on Brexit
    One was lawful and the will of our sovereign Parliament, the other was unlawful.

    So she wasn't neutral on Brexit.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    biggles said:

    Too religious.
    Really? Rev Blair did ok. TMay is a devout Christian, I believe.

    And who could forget that famously pious Catholic Boris Johnson?

    Religion's not a bar for PMship.
  • Sadly for Sunak this is what will move votes.

    The energy regulator has cut its price cap by £999 but households are still expected to see a rise of up to £500 in their bills from April.

    Ofgem has reduced the cap on the amount that energy suppliers would be able to charge a dual-fuel household from £4,279 to £3,280 from April 1. However, at the same time the government’s energy price guarantee, which determines the price households are actually charged at present, is becoming less generous.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ofgem-cuts-energy-price-cap-but-bills-are-still-set-to-rise-hvnjfx73d

    He would be a fool if he left the forthcoming u-turn til the scheduled start date.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    https://twitter.com/michaellcrick/status/1630200372860944389?s=46&t=Ixf3RdXcjPFtXAUq1koKgg

    Between 1981 and 1987 Betty Boothroyd was a member of the Labour National Executive. She was an aggressive figure in the right-wing faction who were fighting the Bennite left and also Militant.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,693

    Sadly for Sunak this is what will move votes.

    The energy regulator has cut its price cap by £999 but households are still expected to see a rise of up to £500 in their bills from April.

    Ofgem has reduced the cap on the amount that energy suppliers would be able to charge a dual-fuel household from £4,279 to £3,280 from April 1. However, at the same time the government’s energy price guarantee, which determines the price households are actually charged at present, is becoming less generous.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ofgem-cuts-energy-price-cap-but-bills-are-still-set-to-rise-hvnjfx73d

    Shouldn't matter for the summer: bills will be lower anyway. It's what situation we're in for next winter that matters.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754

    Sadly for Sunak this is what will move votes.

    The energy regulator has cut its price cap by £999 but households are still expected to see a rise of up to £500 in their bills from April.

    Ofgem has reduced the cap on the amount that energy suppliers would be able to charge a dual-fuel household from £4,279 to £3,280 from April 1. However, at the same time the government’s energy price guarantee, which determines the price households are actually charged at present, is becoming less generous.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ofgem-cuts-energy-price-cap-but-bills-are-still-set-to-rise-hvnjfx73d

    Yeah but Hunt will clearly extend support in March, and over the rest of the year energy prices will fall off a cliff.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,099
    biggles said:

    Can we all agree that we need a better term than “eurosceptic” which was just all over the 1pm Radio 4 news? Having left the EU the way we did, the term makes little sense.

    Europhobes
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754

    Really? Rev Blair did ok. TMay is a devout Christian, I believe.

    And who could forget that famously pious Catholic Boris Johnson?

    Religion's not a bar for PMship.
    Baker’s flavour is.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    biggles said:

    Baker’s flavour is.
    Fair point.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    HYUFD said:

    Von Der Leyen is effectively Head of State of the EU, so the King is merely meeting a fellow Head of State.

    Sunak actually did the Deal with her, not the King, in terms of their roles as Heads of Government. The King as a constitutional monarch is only Head of State however, not Head of Government
    Von der Leyen is closer to a Head of Government than a Head of State.

    The Council head (whose name I have forgotten) is closer to “Head of State” for the EU, albeit an effectively powerless one.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    Scott_xP said:

    Europhobes
    Tossers?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,661
    rcs1000 said:

    I love the Elizabeth Line.

    That's all. I have nothing more to add.

    Sideways seats. Not enough of them. It thinks it is the tube, but running from Reading.

    Mind, it did get me from Ealing to Farringdon a fair bit quicker than in pre-Crossrail days. Probably boosted the value of our old flat, but I don't really want to look at that...
  • carnforth said:

    Shouldn't matter for the summer: bills will be lower anyway. It's what situation we're in for next winter that matters.
    Don't most people do the averaging over the year thing, if only because it's too much hassle to persuade the energy supplier to do anything different?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,641

    Sadly for Sunak this is what will move votes.

    The energy regulator has cut its price cap by £999 but households are still expected to see a rise of up to £500 in their bills from April.

    Ofgem has reduced the cap on the amount that energy suppliers would be able to charge a dual-fuel household from £4,279 to £3,280 from April 1. However, at the same time the government’s energy price guarantee, which determines the price households are actually charged at present, is becoming less generous.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ofgem-cuts-energy-price-cap-but-bills-are-still-set-to-rise-hvnjfx73d

    I'm hoping that Hunt/whoever is just letting this become headline news for a little bit, before announcing that they're saving the day. Just so they get some credit for it.

    But then I've hoped many things and it's fair to say I've been disappointed more than once.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    Von der Leyen is closer to a Head of Government than a Head of State.

    The Council head (whose name I have forgotten) is closer to “Head of State” for the EU, albeit an effectively powerless one.
    The EU Council is becoming increasingly less relevant to the EU relative to the EU Commission Von Der Leyen is President of and the EU Parliament as it moves further to becoming a Federal Superstate.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    Scott_xP said:

    Europhobes
    I quite like that, but I think they’ll evolve into a school of thought on all treaties.

    Sovereignty fundamentalists? Too long.

    Just call them Isolationists?

    Constitutionalists?

    Hard line unionists?


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013
    edited February 2023

    Really? Rev Blair did ok. TMay is a devout Christian, I believe.

    And who could forget that famously pious Catholic Boris Johnson?

    Religion's not a bar for PMship.
    Blair and May were Church of England when PM and Boris is Christian in name only. All are pro homosexual marriage.

    Baker on the other hand is an evangelical Baptist, that includes opposition to homosexual marriage and most abortions like evangelical Forbes and that is likely a bar to him becoming PM

    https://www.stevebaker.info/2013/02/why-i-voted-against-the-marriage-same-sex-couples-bill/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    kinabalu said:

    Yep. But imo there's generally a little too much straining to blame 'the system' for a Crash caused primarily by cultural and behavioural not structural factors. The implied notion is that bankers are intrinsically wild beasts whose nature is to misbehave and so the real blame lies with those meant to police them - I don't like this way of thinking.
    The problem was those in charge of the whole system thinking they’d abolished the economic cycle - so that when the inevitable recession did arrive, the country’s finances were utterly screwed.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,661
    HYUFD said:

    Potential bounce for Sunak if he gets the DUP on board, they are key for it to be a really meaningful Deal
    Why? How many people in the rest of the UK give a tuppenny toss about anything to do with Northern Ireland?

    The media (and of course the government) are bigging this up, but I reckon that most folk will see it as an irrelevance.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    One was lawful and the will of our sovereign Parliament, the other was unlawful.

    So she wasn't neutral on Brexit.
    It was lawful until the SC said it wasn't
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754

    Don't most people do the averaging over the year thing, if only because it's too much hassle to persuade the energy supplier to do anything different?
    They do, and I think quite soon you’ll begin to see some long term fixes below the Government mandated price level based on minimal losses in the summer and a punt on sustained lower prices into next winter.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,747
    biggles said:

    I quite like that, but I think they’ll evolve into a school of thought on all treaties.

    Sovereignty fundamentalists? Too long.

    Just call them Isolationists?

    Constitutionalists?

    Hard line unionists?


    PATRIOTS
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,661
    carnforth said:

    Shouldn't matter for the summer: bills will be lower anyway. It's what situation we're in for next winter that matters.
    Not if you pay the same direct debit every month. The rise will kick in straight away.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    biggles said:

    I quite like that, but I think they’ll evolve into a school of thought on all treaties.

    Sovereignty fundamentalists? Too long.

    Just call them Isolationists?

    Constitutionalists?

    Hard line unionists?
    Brit Nats nails it best for me.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    biggles said:

    At some point we need have a proper debate about restructuring the police (far fewer forces) and getting bang for our buck. Numbers are now more or less back where they were, so they can’t blame that. They need to get more efficient.
    There’s also the perception (which may be true or false, but it’s the perception), that the police are way more interested in crimes like minor speeding and mis-speaking on Twitter, than they are on personal fraud, car theft, or burglary.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,661
    Scott_xP said:

    Europhobes
    Meanwhile Sunak is revealing himself to be euro-curious.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687
    HYUFD said:

    Baker is an evangelical Baptist I believe yes
    So who is Steve the Baptist preparing a way for ?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,798
    edited February 2023

    Why? How many people in the rest of the UK give a tuppenny toss about anything to do with Northern Ireland?

    The media (and of course the government) are bigging this up, but I reckon that most folk will see it as an irrelevance.
    Yes, I agree. The government got almost no discredit (from the wider electorate) when NI was going badly and will get almost no credit for NI going well.
  • Source tells me the DUP has NOT accepted any proposed deal , nor have they rejected it .
    They will take time to read the text .


    https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1630204182161498113?s=20
  • The idea this will move votes is ridiculous. The public were told Brexit was done.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,693

    Not if you pay the same direct debit every month. The rise will kick in straight away.
    Fair point.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    kinabalu said:

    Brit Nats nails it best for me.
    I thought about British Nationalist but I do think “nationalist” has some unfair nazi connotations.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    kinabalu said:

    WTF is J. Gordon Brown?
    Chancellor 1997-2007, PM 2007-2010.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754

    Source tells me the DUP has NOT accepted any proposed deal , nor have they rejected it .
    They will take time to read the text .


    https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1630204182161498113?s=20

    That’s novel, for them….
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687

    Really? Rev Blair did ok. TMay is a devout Christian, I believe.

    And who could forget that famously pious Catholic Boris Johnson?

    Religion's not a bar for PMship.
    Though the next GE is likely a bar to any Tory.
  • Come on in’
    @RishiSunak greets EU Commission President @vonderleyen at a hotel in Windsor with hopes of agreeing a deal on the Northern Ireland Protocol https://itv.com/news/2023-02-27/uk-and-eu-on-verge-of-protocol-deal-as-sunak-meets-von-der-leyen…[VIDEO]

    https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1630203697455046657?s=20
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    dixiedean said:

    But. If you are advocating a pure free market, then.
    Schools should have a per pupil budget which enables them to fill vacancies at the market rate.
    As I said earlier. This requires loads more cash from you.
    We've had a £550+ per pupil reduction this year.
    So. Over half the staff every day are on supply. Which is tempting everyone else onto supply. We've lost 13 permanent staff this year. Only one vacancy filled.
    That's a market failure.
    That’s one hell of a market failure.

    You need to have a budget per pupil, multiplied by a local cost-of-living index, and have sufficient slack in the system to allow successful schools to expand.

    I’d also have the government pay off student loans, for anyone who completes 10 years as a teacher in the public sector.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687
    edited February 2023
    biggles said:

    I quite like that, but I think they’ll evolve into a school of thought on all treaties.

    Sovereignty fundamentalists? Too long.

    Just call them Isolationists?

    Constitutionalists?

    Hard line unionists?


    Freedonians.

    (It's a shame 'euphobia' is already spoken for.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103

    Sadly for Sunak this is what will move votes.

    The energy regulator has cut its price cap by £999 but households are still expected to see a rise of up to £500 in their bills from April.

    Ofgem has reduced the cap on the amount that energy suppliers would be able to charge a dual-fuel household from £4,279 to £3,280 from April 1. However, at the same time the government’s energy price guarantee, which determines the price households are actually charged at present, is becoming less generous.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ofgem-cuts-energy-price-cap-but-bills-are-still-set-to-rise-hvnjfx73d

    Predictions are that by summer prices could be returning toward ‘normal’. So surely the government will bridge the gap by extending support for a few more months?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    Source tells me the DUP has NOT accepted any proposed deal , nor have they rejected it .
    They will take time to read the text .


    https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1630204182161498113?s=20

    Oh well, it was nice to think the DUP might say Yes to a Deal for the first time ever. Back to the standard No then most likely

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4SC-zDJfQ

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    edited February 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Though the next GE is likely a bar to any Tory.
    Is this where a Corbynite says “that’s not right - Starmer looks quids in”?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    One was lawful and the will of our sovereign Parliament, the other was unlawful.

    So she wasn't neutral on Brexit.
    One was incorrectly deemed unlawful by a partisan court after the event, in possibly the most egregious case of "this is what we want to happen, now let's find some legal argument to support that" since Roe...
  • The idea this will move votes is ridiculous. The public were told Brexit was done.

    Not directly. But it may limit to an extent the “this lot are completely useless” perception and reduce the severity of the thumping they get at the GE.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,915
    edited February 2023

    Why? How many people in the rest of the UK give a tuppenny toss about anything to do with Northern Ireland?

    The media (and of course the government) are bigging this up, but I reckon that most folk will see it as an irrelevance.
    If the UK and the EU can come up with an acceptable agreement to sort out an obvious problem then it bodes well that the same may happen in other areas where one side or the other has been playing silly beggars. Even if this specific change only affects NI.

    The mood music may be more important than the actual deal.

    Are they going to sort out Horizon, for instance? It benefits nobody to keep the UK out of it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,661
    edited February 2023
    Why are they trying to make out that there is still negotiation going on, and a deal in not yet certain?

    Pathetic attempt to create a cliffhanger out of some staged bureaucracy.

    Edit: Mind, if Ursula jilted Rishi at the altar it would be rather funny.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    HYUFD said:

    Oh well, it was nice to think the DUP might say Yes to a Deal for the first time ever. Back to the standard No then most likely

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4SC-zDJfQ

    Surely more “NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!”
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    Sandpit said:

    The problem was those in charge of the whole system thinking they’d abolished the economic cycle - so that when the inevitable recession did arrive, the country’s finances were utterly screwed.
    A common-or-garden recession would have been fine. Unfortunately we got a big special multi-facetted affair with the global financial system imploding.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    HYUFD said:

    Oh well, it was nice to think the DUP might say Yes to a Deal for the first time ever. Back to the standard No then most likely

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4SC-zDJfQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpYW_w5pgo
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    Can we have a classic constitutional fudge where the DUP never finish reading it so technically never say no?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,926
    IanB2 said:

    Predictions are that by summer prices could be returning toward ‘normal’. So surely the government will bridge the gap by extending support for a few more months?
    Commentators were over pessimistic on wholesale gas prices last Autumn but I think they may be over-optimistic now. There's a potentially cold March to come which will deplete reserves, and a big challenge to refill storage during the summer and autumn fast enough with LNG. I don't think we're out of the woods just yet.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103
    Breaking - Lidl restricts the number of tomatoes you can buy…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687
    biggles said:

    Is this where a Corbynite says “that’s not right - Starmer looks quids in”?
    That would mean their acknowledging the painful idea.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013
    edited February 2023
    Nigelb said:

    So who is Steve the Baptist preparing a way for ?
    St Jacob, or Kemi and Suella and Priti the Martyrs?
  • DUP sources are pushing back hard against claims that they are preparing to accept the Northern Ireland Protocol deal. They say the party will spend the next few days reading the legal text and command paper before making a decision

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1630206386578620418?s=20

    The idea they would agree without having nit picked it to death read it struck me as optimistic.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,674
    HYUFD said:

    Oh well, it was nice to think the DUP might say Yes to a Deal for the first time ever. Back to the standard No then most likely

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4SC-zDJfQ

    I think that will enable most potential Tory rebels to hold fire and enable any semi-vote to pass without much fuss. If the DUP come up with a "maybe, but..." a week later, the moment will have past.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    The claim was further that it was a U model IL-76 - the modernised one, which has a useful look down capability (looking for low flying aircraft and missiles from above).

    The older models are much less capable.

    Russia has 7 of these U models, I believe. You’d need 4 to maintain a 24/7 patrol (might manage with 3). So losing even one is a chunk of capability.

    They are supposed to work in conjunction with MIg-31 interceptors. Apparently a lot of he Russian suppression of the Ukrainian airforce has been from Mig-31 lobbing ultra long range AAMs at low flying Ukrainian planes, from Russian airspace. Low hit rate, but the attrition rate adds up, over time.

    The Mig-31 can use its own radar to find targets - but this would be much less effective than getting data from an IL-76U
    Even better if it was one of the U models. One down, six to go!

    One of those modified DJI drones carrying a grenade, that were used in Ukraine early in the war, would be enough to make one hell of a mess of an aircraft if dropped close by.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687
    Leon said:

    PATRIOTS
    I note you identify as a CAPITALIST.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    IanB2 said:

    Predictions are that by summer prices could be returning toward ‘normal’. So surely the government will bridge the gap by extending support for a few more months?
    They need to be careful about next winter, though, surely. Logically support would be less in summer than in winter.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103
    HYUFD said:

    Oh well, it was nice to think the DUP might say Yes to a Deal for the first time ever. Back to the standard No then most likely

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4SC-zDJfQ

    The DUP want rid of the Good Friday Agreement, and won’t work under an SF first minister; kicking up a fuss about the protocol is merely a means to an end.

    That NI voters are tiring of their never-ending negativity and student politics is the silver lining.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,156

    And, in "oh, hello" rumours;

    NEW: Irish News reporting that DUP likely to accept deal (going against all expectations locally). Dinner with supporters tonight.

    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1630194890821840901

    If so, it's game over, isn't it?

    POBJWAS
    The DUP would have a few years to convince their voters that they were right to accept the deal, while the TUV try to convince them otherwise.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    Driver said:

    Chancellor 1997-2007, PM 2007-2010.
    Ah ok. You should have said that in the first place. Nobody uses the J - makes him sound like one of the Gettys.
  • biggles said:

    Can we have a classic constitutional fudge where the DUP never finish reading it so technically never say no?

    Print their copy of the agreement on a single (large) Möbius strip?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,189
    Sandpit said:

    Even better if it was one of the U models. One down, six to go!

    One of those modified DJI drones carrying a grenade, that were used in Ukraine early in the war, would be enough to make one hell of a mess of an aircraft if dropped close by.
    Yes - a friend in the drone hobby stuff has one that can carry a DSLR, complete with a big lens. For miles.

    Doesn’t take much imagination to replace x kilos of camera with, say, thermite….
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    Source tells me the DUP has NOT accepted any proposed deal , nor have they rejected it .
    They will take time to read the text .


    https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1630204182161498113?s=20

    Least surprising correction of the millenium and the previous one!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,637
    edited February 2023

    DUP sources are pushing back hard against claims that they are preparing to accept the Northern Ireland Protocol deal. They say the party will spend the next few days reading the legal text and command paper before making a decision

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1630206386578620418?s=20

    The idea they would agree without having nit picked it to death read it struck me as optimistic.

    "I have made a peaceful and legitimate request for Cheese and Protocol on a stick!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpYW_w5pgo
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Source tells me the DUP has NOT accepted any proposed deal , nor have they rejected it .
    They will take time to read the text .


    https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1630204182161498113?s=20

    Oh no, imagine wanting to actually read something and come to your own conclusion, rather than make a knee-jerk reaction based on what others are saying about it.
  • Ukraine's General Staff says that Russian proxies in Oleshky and Skadovsk in Kherson are preparing to flee to Crimea

    Russian war hawks have debated the efficacy of fortifications and now they might be taking extra precautions ahead a spring Ukrainian counter-offensive


    https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1630207376333717506?s=20

    Ukraine says that the spring counter-offensive will feature more strikes on Russian arms depots and military equipment

    Vadym Skibitsky singled out Belgorod as an area for more intense Ukrainian attacks


    With these remarks, Skibitsky is framing the spring counter-offensive as a potential turning point that will liberate Ukraine and expel an estimated 370,000 Russian forces from its territory

    Ukraine is downplaying fears of a long war, while Russia is ramping that expectation up


    https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1630208279774216195?s=20
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,189
    IanB2 said:

    The DUP want rid of the Good Friday Agreement, and won’t work under an SF first minister; kicking up a fuss about the protocol is merely a means to an end.

    That NI voters are tiring of their never-ending negativity and student politics is the silver lining.
    They are fine with the GFA - and are using it to block an SF first minister.

    Many unionist voters are actually moderately impressed that the DUP haven't folded for the convenience of others, the way unionist politicians are supposed to do. According to outsiders.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    felix said:

    Least surprising correction of the millenium and the previous one!
    "Millennium".

    Do I take the prize for "least surprising correction"? ;)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687

    Von der Leyen is closer to a Head of Government than a Head of State.

    The Council head (whose name I have forgotten) is closer to “Head of State” for the EU, albeit an effectively powerless one.
    Somewhat pertinent.
    This is the story of how the EU went to war.

    Three days after Russia invaded Ukraine, the EU took a decision that had previously been considered impossible: to send weapons to a conflict.

    My inside account of how, why & what it means for the continent

    https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1630107143478165510
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687

    Source tells me the DUP has NOT accepted any proposed deal , nor have they rejected it .
    They will take time to read the text .


    https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1630204182161498113?s=20

    Never say never.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Driver said:

    "Millennium".

    Do I take the prize for "least surprising correction"? ;)
    Lol my anus horibilis continues..... :blush:
  • Report from the EU that Boris Johnson and Frost grated in the EU who welcome the new PM pragmatic attitude

    No surprise there
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,687
    felix said:

    Lol my anus horibilis continues..... :blush:
    Singularly painful.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    They are fine with the GFA - and are using it to block an SF first minister.

    Many unionist voters are actually moderately impressed that the DUP haven't folded for the convenience of others, the way unionist politicians are supposed to do. According to outsiders.
    Paisley's DUP opposed the GFA in 1998 unlike Trimble's UUP
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103

    They are fine with the GFA - and are using it to block an SF first minister.

    Many unionist voters are actually moderately impressed that the DUP haven't folded for the convenience of others, the way unionist politicians are supposed to do. According to outsiders.
    Not my take, at all.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370

    Source tells me the DUP has NOT accepted any proposed deal , nor have they rejected it .
    They will take time to read the text .


    https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1630204182161498113?s=20

    Wusses.

    In the old days they'd simply have rejected it out of hand.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103
    Driver said:

    "Millennium".

    Do I take the prize for "least surprising correction"? ;)
    No, because many PB’ers have challenged numerous of our own Leondamus’s predictions…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Yes - a friend in the drone hobby stuff has one that can carry a DSLR, complete with a big lens. For miles.

    Doesn’t take much imagination to replace x kilos of camera with, say, thermite….
    Yep. There’s a six-rotor DJI that comes in around £10k, that can carry a DSLR on a three-axis gimbal, up to 6kg payload.
    https://www.dji.com/ae/mobile/matrice600

    5kg of anything explosive, plus a release mechanism, can render any aircraft permanently unserviceable.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,659
    edited February 2023
    Driver said:

    One was incorrectly deemed unlawful by a partisan court after the event, in possibly the most egregious case of "this is what we want to happen, now let's find some legal argument to support that" since Roe...
    You sound like a cybernat moaning about SCOTUK.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Nigelb said:

    Singularly painful.
    Doesn't bear analysis

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    biggles said:

    I thought about British Nationalist but I do think “nationalist” has some unfair nazi connotations.
    Ok - we do want to be fair, I suppose.

    One of yours then - Isolationists. The core feeltone being that Britain is strong and rather special, stands alone, walks alone, drinks alone, needs nobody telling it what to do.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103
    edited February 2023

    Report from the EU that Boris Johnson and Frost grated in the EU who welcome the new PM pragmatic attitude

    No surprise there

    The voters who made the lying clown our national leader did our country no favours, at all.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    kinabalu said:

    Ah ok. You should have said that in the first place. Nobody uses the J - makes him sound like one of the Gettys.
    Gordon Brown not only presided over a huge increase in government debt and bank debt. He also saw household debt increase massively. We are still paying for his mistakes.
  • BBC now

    Agreement reached - deal done
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