What REMAIN and LEAVE voters now think of Brexit – politicalbetting.com
Three years on from Brexit, what do Remain and Leave voters think?@JLPartnersPolls asked a 2,000 sample poll of UK adults for @InstituteGC how they would now sum up Brexit in a word ? pic.twitter.com/baNbhEQs4X
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Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster0
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Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?1 -
Which merely shows what fools they are since we are now the tail being wagged by the EU dog. We have less choice than ever.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
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That sounds like a great campaign slogan with a good illustrationTheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?7 -
Wages have also risen fastest in low wage jobs previously reliant on EU workers.
I know some on here think British workers in those areas are ghastly xenephobic oiks, but they got what they wanted from their Leave vote
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/0 -
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Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.0 -
"For you" for me seems to be loads of left wing shite.Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.0 -
We need a high profile chap of flexible principles who has modelled his career on UK politics’ greatest re-ratter, Churchill.TheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?
Any suggestions?1 -
I’m a Leaver and I think it has been a shambles and a disaster, in terms of the handling and the execution. Who could think otherwise? It has been a national humiliation, and the Tories deserve to be hurled into electoral perdition for this (and they will).. But I would vote Leave again, tomorrow - with great reluctance (as I did in 2026) - and for the same reasons. Sovereignty and democracy. The EU is still fundamentally undemocratic in a way the UK is notTheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?
Indeed the imminent thrashing of the Tories shows Brexit at work. We are governed by fools, frauds and flailing idiots. We are going to give them a terrible spanking and they will be suitably chided by this traumatic defeat. We cannot do that to the EU Commission. We cannot hand Ursula’s petite derrière to her on a Belgian plate
Thus: Brexit. The right decision
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Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.0
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Unless they directly work for the Tory govt of course in which case they are greedy layabout shirkers.....HYUFD said:Wages have also risen fastest in low wage jobs previously reliant on EU workers.
I know some on here think British workers in those areas are ghastly xenephobic oiks, but they got what they wanted from their Leave vote
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/0 -
Yes.Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
They seem to think you’re interested in right wing shite:
We recommend Tweets to you based on who you already follow and Topics you follow
https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-timeline
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@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?0
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Leaving aside politics and the use of the term "intelligence", the statement that "Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study" is interesting.HYUFD said:
They are all of above average intelligence on any definition. You just dislike their politics.ydoethur said:
Some very thick people get top A-level grades too.HYUFD said:
By definition they didn't due to the high A level and GCSE requirements of entry.ydoethur said:
Although TBF some very thick people get top degrees at Russell Group Unis, which shows it’s as much about snobbery as about academic rigour.HYUFD said:
Where did I say that? I said they already earn above the average salary and did not say that was a bad thing. Plus they get a good pension.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.
His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.
I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...
How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?
Indeed headteachers can earn up to 6 figure salaries.
However you can be a teacher in a state comprehensive or academy with
a 2.2 from an ex polytechnic. Most banks and corporate law firms and tech firms demand at least a 2.1 from a Russell Group university and doctors need 7 years of medical school after top A levels.
That is why on average the latter pay more
Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study
Are you suggesting that the likes of Tristram Hunt, Dominic Cummings, Naomi Wolfe and Jacob Rees-Mogg - to pick only our own subject - are intelligent? Because if so, I’m adding you to that list.
Edit - also, given the size of the Russell Group, your ‘top 10%’ claim is actually mathematically impossible.
The Russell Group make up about a quarter of universities and as about 40% of 18 year olds go to university my 10% claim was correct
@HYUFD - what you said later doesn't support this, because some people never study economics, for example, to any level, and so it doesn't make much sense to include them in the denominator.
I am in the top 10% of three-ball jugglers if we include in the denominator people who don't know how to juggle with three balls. I may well be in the bottom 10% if we don't.
But if we just look at A levels, and we assume "virtually" means "more than 80%", then what *is* a reasonable estimate for x in the statement that "virtually every Russell Group student is in the top x% academically of the subject they study"?
Presumably not many students get admitted to RG universities to study a subject if they only got a B or C in it at A Level?0 -
It’s entirely conceivable that I might find tweets that you consider left wing shite to be right wing shite. We’re aw different.Driver said:
"For you" for me seems to be loads of left wing shite.Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.1 -
The Leavers are quite right.TheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?
'Freedom disaster shambles' is, as noted yesterday, an almost perfect description.1 -
Sometimes, not always - and I can't work out what determines that.Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
'For you' has actually improved slightly in the last couple of days for me. Again, not sure what's done that.0 -
Sounds confusing to me. It might be a mistake but I shall be leaving this chaos.Nigelb said:
The Leavers are quite right.TheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?
'Freedom disaster shambles' is, as noted yesterday, an almost perfect description.0 -
Weirdly, I find that both 'For You' and 'Following' are a mix of people I actually follow, tweets liked by people I follow, and random stuff. So now I have to look at both lines to see what I want to see (although I am moving more over to creating lists and using those to track people and topics - you don't gave to follow people to have them on a list, which saves a lot of hassle)1
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Same.Pulpstar said:Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.
It’s the buggeration factor is annoying with the only benefit is I’ve got a few pay rises because of it.0 -
Afaik I don’t follow any Topics and definitely don’t follow people like Murdo and Scotland’s greatest almost-emigré KC Roddy Dunlop who are always popping up in my timeline.CarlottaVance said:
Yes.Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
They seem to think you’re interested in right wing shite:
We recommend Tweets to you based on who you already follow and Topics you follow
https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-timeline
I’d definitely take Twitter’s current guidelines with a pinch of salt,0 -
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?1 -
.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
You can't infer that from the word cloud without a lot more information.
Word clouds are quick and fun (and sure, give some indication) but you'd need to do a lot more to get any kind of rigourous analysis - ideally not using a word cloud at all, of course. Even assuming a decent sample, you need to combine the words with the same meaning (e.g. 'disaster' and 'disastrous' for remain) set out how the sizing is done, remove irrelevant phrases such as 'european union' and deal with context such (the remain cloud for example could be a big majority using many variations on 'not a' in 'not a disaster' so that 'disaster' is the only word that gets big (I don't believe this to be the case, for avoidance of doubt).
Even if the scaling is 2d-linear with mentions, 'freedom' is much less than 'most' of the size of that word cloud.0 -
No wheels on my wagon ... and I'm still rolling along.Leon said:
I’m a Leaver and I think it has been a shambles and a disaster, in terms of the handling and the execution. Who could think otherwise? It has been a national humiliation, and the Tories deserve to be hurled into electoral perdition for this (and they will).. But I would vote Leave again, tomorrow - with great reluctance (as I did in 2026) - and for the same reasons. Sovereignty and democracy. The EU is still fundamentally undemocratic in a way the UK is notTheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?
Indeed the imminent thrashing of the Tories shows Brexit at work. We are governed by fools, frauds and flailing idiots. We are going to give them a terrible spanking and they will be suitably chided by this traumatic defeat. We cannot do that to the EU Commission. We cannot hand Ursula’s petite derrière to her on a Belgian plate
Thus: Brexit. The right decision0 -
Lol. You’re like those people who complain they are getting online adverts for donkey porn. It’s nearly always because you’ve been searching for “nude pictures of sexy donkeys”Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
If “For You” is serving up a menu of right wing bollocks that strongly suggests you are looking for this stuff. I will be charitable and assume this is because you like to be outraged by it, then you righteously dish it up here. Which is precisely what you do0 -
"Please invent a novel ethical theory, with specific principles and examples."
Astounding* answer by @AnthropicAI.
https://twitter.com/TimSuzman/status/1620595596368429056
*Certainly interesting, anyhow.0 -
Yet every post you make seems to attack them.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?
Let's be honest, if the Tories were proposing this bill you'd be telling us how wonderful it was. You are the most partisan poster on this entire site, actually worse than HYUFD.1 -
I've found shipping to the EU generally a day slower but much more reliable, it now much more rarely goes beyond that extra day. It's also improved our shipping to non-EU destinations (including places like Jersey) because the customs stuff is much more practiced - on the part of the logistics companies we use as well as out own.TheScreamingEagles said:
Same.Pulpstar said:Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.
It’s the buggeration factor is annoying with the only benefit is I’ve got a few pay rises because of it.0 -
"Policing is a difficult job with a simple mission: to keep the public safe",
@SuellaBraverman says. But "insisting on recruits having degrees" - as the College of Policing is doing - is "an example of pointless red tape" which she aims to scrap.
https://twitter.com/ConHome/status/1620764698009550848
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A buffoon comments on topic.
Time to turn the tables on the gloom-mongers, and exploit the benefits of Brexit. Remember that vaccine rollout! Happy Brexit Day!
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/16204221716372111370 -
The UK is democratic Leon says.
The Government is currently trying to curtail the right to protest. What could be more undemocratic than that?2 -
Have you had to register for VAT within the EU (Netherlands for us) as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Same.Pulpstar said:Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.
It’s the buggeration factor is annoying with the only benefit is I’ve got a few pay rises because of it.0 -
Praise indeed from PB’s very own Twitter conspiracy bollocks correspondent.Leon said:
Lol. You’re like those people who complain they are getting online adverts for donkey porn. It’s nearly always because you’ve been searching for “nude pictures of sexy donkeys”Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
If “For You” is serving up a menu of right wing bollocks that strongly suggests you are looking for this stuff. I will be charitable and assume this is because you like to be outraged by it, then you righteously dish it up here. Which is precisely what you do0 -
Yes virtually every Russell Group student will have A* or at least A grades in the subject they study at GCSE as well as A level at that university based on the entry grades to study it there.DJ41a said:FPT
Leaving aside politics and the use of the term "intelligence", the statement that "Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study" is interesting.HYUFD said:
They are all of above average intelligence on any definition. You just dislike their politics.ydoethur said:
Some very thick people get top A-level grades too.HYUFD said:
By definition they didn't due to the high A level and GCSE requirements of entry.ydoethur said:
Although TBF some very thick people get top degrees at Russell Group Unis, which shows it’s as much about snobbery as about academic rigour.HYUFD said:
Where did I say that? I said they already earn above the average salary and did not say that was a bad thing. Plus they get a good pension.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.
His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.
I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...
How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?
Indeed headteachers can earn up to 6 figure salaries.
However you can be a teacher in a state comprehensive or academy with
a 2.2 from an ex polytechnic. Most banks and corporate law firms and tech firms demand at least a 2.1 from a Russell Group university and doctors need 7 years of medical school after top A levels.
That is why on average the latter pay more
Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study
Are you suggesting that the likes of Tristram Hunt, Dominic Cummings, Naomi Wolfe and Jacob Rees-Mogg - to pick only our own subject - are intelligent? Because if so, I’m adding you to that list.
Edit - also, given the size of the Russell Group, your ‘top 10%’ claim is actually mathematically impossible.
The Russell Group make up about a quarter of universities and as about 40% of 18 year olds go to university my 10% claim was correct
@HYUFD - what you said later doesn't support this, because some people never study economics, for example, to any level, and so it doesn't make much sense to include them in the denominator.
I am in the top 10% of three-ball jugglers if we include in the denominator people who don't know how to juggle with three balls. I may well be in the bottom 10% if we don't.
But if we just look at A levels, and we assume "virtually" means "more than 80%", then what *is* a reasonable estimate for x in the statement that "virtually every Russell Group student is in the top x% academically of the subject they study"?
Presumably not many students get admitted to RG universities to study a subject if they only got a B or C in it at A Level?
So my statement that virtually every Russell Group student will be in the top 10% of the subject they study was absolutely correct0 -
That's a brave conclusion from exam results.HYUFD said:
Yes virtually every Russell Group student will have A* or at least A grades in the subject they study at that university based on the entry grades to study it there.DJ41a said:FPT
Leaving aside politics and the use of the term "intelligence", the statement that "Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study" is interesting.HYUFD said:
They are all of above average intelligence on any definition. You just dislike their politics.ydoethur said:
Some very thick people get top A-level grades too.HYUFD said:
By definition they didn't due to the high A level and GCSE requirements of entry.ydoethur said:
Although TBF some very thick people get top degrees at Russell Group Unis, which shows it’s as much about snobbery as about academic rigour.HYUFD said:
Where did I say that? I said they already earn above the average salary and did not say that was a bad thing. Plus they get a good pension.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.
His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.
I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...
How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?
Indeed headteachers can earn up to 6 figure salaries.
However you can be a teacher in a state comprehensive or academy with
a 2.2 from an ex polytechnic. Most banks and corporate law firms and tech firms demand at least a 2.1 from a Russell Group university and doctors need 7 years of medical school after top A levels.
That is why on average the latter pay more
Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study
Are you suggesting that the likes of Tristram Hunt, Dominic Cummings, Naomi Wolfe and Jacob Rees-Mogg - to pick only our own subject - are intelligent? Because if so, I’m adding you to that list.
Edit - also, given the size of the Russell Group, your ‘top 10%’ claim is actually mathematically impossible.
The Russell Group make up about a quarter of universities and as about 40% of 18 year olds go to university my 10% claim was correct
@HYUFD - what you said later doesn't support this, because some people never study economics, for example, to any level, and so it doesn't make much sense to include them in the denominator.
I am in the top 10% of three-ball jugglers if we include in the denominator people who don't know how to juggle with three balls. I may well be in the bottom 10% if we don't.
But if we just look at A levels, and we assume "virtually" means "more than 80%", then what *is* a reasonable estimate for x in the statement that "virtually every Russell Group student is in the top x% academically of the subject they study"?
Presumably not many students get admitted to RG universities to study a subject if they only got a B or C in it at A Level?
So my statement that virtually every Russell Group student will be in the top 10% of the subject they study was absolutely correct1 -
Show me a post where I have attacked trans people.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Yet every post you make seems to attack them.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?
Let's be honest, if the Tories were proposing this bill you'd be telling us how wonderful it was. You are the most partisan poster on this entire site, actually worse than HYUFD.
Once again, directly to ad hom.
Why is a position supported by Labour and SNP MPs a Tory one?
What do YOU think of the Scottish GRR Bill?
Or don’t you have an opinion?1 -
Claude by Anthropic is one of the most intriguing AIs out there. It was Claude which produced that astonishing take on Poe’s The Raven. Which is one of the most scary and convincing examples yet, of the ability of AI to replace almost everything humans can doNigelb said:"Please invent a novel ethical theory, with specific principles and examples."
Astounding* answer by @AnthropicAI.
https://twitter.com/TimSuzman/status/1620595596368429056
*Certainly interesting, anyhow.0 -
Put on the side of a toilet somewhere?MikeSmithson said:
That sounds like a great campaign slogan with a good illustrationTheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?0 -
Because the Brexit advocates who have been running the country for the last three years have failed totally to demonstrate any benefits to Remain voters it does not require close to a majority of Leave voters to change their minds for there to be a fundamental shift in public opinion. It only requires a relatively small minority - and shambles and disaster are pretty big in that Leave word cloud. This and the changing electorate are the two major challenges for those who do not want a much closer relationship between the UK and the EU.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
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No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 9s) at GCSE.Carnyx said:
That's a brave conclusion from exam results.HYUFD said:
Yes virtually every Russell Group student will have A* or at least A grades in the subject they study at that university based on the entry grades to study it there.DJ41a said:FPT
Leaving aside politics and the use of the term "intelligence", the statement that "Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study" is interesting.HYUFD said:
They are all of above average intelligence on any definition. You just dislike their politics.ydoethur said:
Some very thick people get top A-level grades too.HYUFD said:
By definition they didn't due to the high A level and GCSE requirements of entry.ydoethur said:
Although TBF some very thick people get top degrees at Russell Group Unis, which shows it’s as much about snobbery as about academic rigour.HYUFD said:
Where did I say that? I said they already earn above the average salary and did not say that was a bad thing. Plus they get a good pension.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.
His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.
I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...
How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?
Indeed headteachers can earn up to 6 figure salaries.
However you can be a teacher in a state comprehensive or academy with
a 2.2 from an ex polytechnic. Most banks and corporate law firms and tech firms demand at least a 2.1 from a Russell Group university and doctors need 7 years of medical school after top A levels.
That is why on average the latter pay more
Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study
Are you suggesting that the likes of Tristram Hunt, Dominic Cummings, Naomi Wolfe and Jacob Rees-Mogg - to pick only our own subject - are intelligent? Because if so, I’m adding you to that list.
Edit - also, given the size of the Russell Group, your ‘top 10%’ claim is actually mathematically impossible.
The Russell Group make up about a quarter of universities and as about 40% of 18 year olds go to university my 10% claim was correct
@HYUFD - what you said later doesn't support this, because some people never study economics, for example, to any level, and so it doesn't make much sense to include them in the denominator.
I am in the top 10% of three-ball jugglers if we include in the denominator people who don't know how to juggle with three balls. I may well be in the bottom 10% if we don't.
But if we just look at A levels, and we assume "virtually" means "more than 80%", then what *is* a reasonable estimate for x in the statement that "virtually every Russell Group student is in the top x% academically of the subject they study"?
Presumably not many students get admitted to RG universities to study a subject if they only got a B or C in it at A Level?
So my statement that virtually every Russell Group student will be in the top 10% of the subject they study was absolutely correct
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now0 -
This thread, PB or GB?noneoftheabove said:
Sounds confusing to me. It might be a mistake but I shall be leaving this chaos.Nigelb said:
The Leavers are quite right.TheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?
'Freedom disaster shambles' is, as noted yesterday, an almost perfect description.0 -
I already posted my views on this topic days ago. I think the commentary on this bill from you and others is entirely cynical and not about safety or anything else. We know this because you keep saying about how this is Sturgeon's big failure, that is what this is really about.CarlottaVance said:
Show me a post where I have attacked trans people.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Yet every post you make seems to attack them.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?
Let's be honest, if the Tories were proposing this bill you'd be telling us how wonderful it was. You are the most partisan poster on this entire site, actually worse than HYUFD.
Once again, directly to ad hom.
Why is a position supported by Labour and SNP MPs a Tory one?
What do YOU think of the Scottish GRR Bill?
Or don’t you have an opinion?
This issue is incredibly complicated, there is no perfect solution or answer. But I start from the position of love and compassion, not trying to vilify people to score points.1 -
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now0 -
As I posted earlier wages have risen for the lowest paid.SouthamObserver said:
Because the Brexit advocates who have been running the country for the last three years have failed totally to demonstrate any benefits to Remain voters it does not require close to a majority of Leave voters to change their minds for there to be a fundamental shift in public opinion. It only requires a relatively small minority - and shambles and disaster are pretty big in that Leave word cloud. This and the changing electorate are the two major challenges for those who do not want a much closer relationship between the UK and the EU.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
The fact some Remainers don't give a toss about the British born lowest paid doesn't change that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/
Nor does a few swing voters switching from Leave to Remain0 -
After avoiding this place all morning because of trans arguments and ChatPT/AI waffle, I had faint hopes a new thread would clear the decks. No, of course not, what Was I thinking.
For the love of all that's holy, can we not just having a standing discussion thread for each of those and shunt them off there so non-obsessives can actually find the interesting topics.5 -
It’s the details that always get you in the end…HYUFD said:
No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.Carnyx said:
That's a brave conclusion from exam results.HYUFD said:
Yes virtually every Russell Group student will have A* or at least A grades in the subject they study at that university based on the entry grades to study it there.DJ41a said:FPT
Leaving aside politics and the use of the term "intelligence", the statement that "Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study" is interesting.HYUFD said:
They are all of above average intelligence on any definition. You just dislike their politics.ydoethur said:
Some very thick people get top A-level grades too.HYUFD said:
By definition they didn't due to the high A level and GCSE requirements of entry.ydoethur said:
Although TBF some very thick people get top degrees at Russell Group Unis, which shows it’s as much about snobbery as about academic rigour.HYUFD said:
Where did I say that? I said they already earn above the average salary and did not say that was a bad thing. Plus they get a good pension.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.
His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.
I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...
How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?
Indeed headteachers can earn up to 6 figure salaries.
However you can be a teacher in a state comprehensive or academy with
a 2.2 from an ex polytechnic. Most banks and corporate law firms and tech firms demand at least a 2.1 from a Russell Group university and doctors need 7 years of medical school after top A levels.
That is why on average the latter pay more
Virtually every Russell Group student is certainly in the top 10% academically of the subject they study
Are you suggesting that the likes of Tristram Hunt, Dominic Cummings, Naomi Wolfe and Jacob Rees-Mogg - to pick only our own subject - are intelligent? Because if so, I’m adding you to that list.
Edit - also, given the size of the Russell Group, your ‘top 10%’ claim is actually mathematically impossible.
The Russell Group make up about a quarter of universities and as about 40% of 18 year olds go to university my 10% claim was correct
@HYUFD - what you said later doesn't support this, because some people never study economics, for example, to any level, and so it doesn't make much sense to include them in the denominator.
I am in the top 10% of three-ball jugglers if we include in the denominator people who don't know how to juggle with three balls. I may well be in the bottom 10% if we don't.
But if we just look at A levels, and we assume "virtually" means "more than 80%", then what *is* a reasonable estimate for x in the statement that "virtually every Russell Group student is in the top x% academically of the subject they study"?
Presumably not many students get admitted to RG universities to study a subject if they only got a B or C in it at A Level?
So my statement that virtually every Russell Group student will be in the top 10% of the subject they study was absolutely correct
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
ETA sorry HY I thought I had emboldened something but didn’t, now have.2 -
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now0 -
We’re financial services so not VAT registered.Pulpstar said:
Have you had to register for VAT within the EU (Netherlands for us) as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Same.Pulpstar said:Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.
It’s the buggeration factor is annoying with the only benefit is I’ve got a few pay rises because of it.
It’s just registering in so many jurisdictions that’s the pain.
I’d say nice things about Max Verstappen if we could have passporting back.0 -
Thought Sunak was much better at PMQs today.
Problem for him is I’m not convinced anyones listening anymore.1 -
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.0 -
I wish the Tories luck with running on a platform of looking after the interests of low paid workers. I imagine it will be just as successful as attempts to show that the Brexit they chose has been a triumph.HYUFD said:
As I posted earlier wages have risen for the lowest paid.SouthamObserver said:
Because the Brexit advocates who have been running the country for the last three years have failed totally to demonstrate any benefits to Remain voters it does not require close to a majority of Leave voters to change their minds for there to be a fundamental shift in public opinion. It only requires a relatively small minority - and shambles and disaster are pretty big in that Leave word cloud. This and the changing electorate are the two major challenges for those who do not want a much closer relationship between the UK and the EU.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
The fact some Remainers don't give a toss about the British born lowest paid doesn't change that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/
Nor does a few swing voters switching from Leave to Remain
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Differently-obsessed, please.jamesdoyle said:After avoiding this place all morning because of trans arguments and ChatPT/AI waffle, I had faint hopes a new thread would clear the decks. No, of course not, what Was I thinking.
For the love of all that's holy, can we not just having a standing discussion thread for each of those and shunt them off there so non-obsessives can actually find the interesting topics.3 -
One of the hidden costs of Brexit is now being counted.
For a couple of years the machinery of Government was snarled up by negotiations and preparations for the Big Day. Meanwhile just about every day to day concern from Hospital Waiting Lists to Holes In The Road got put on the back burner.
That comes at a price that we are now paying.2 -
THAT bad ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re financial services so not VAT registered.Pulpstar said:
Have you had to register for VAT within the EU (Netherlands for us) as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Same.Pulpstar said:Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.
It’s the buggeration factor is annoying with the only benefit is I’ve got a few pay rises because of it.
It’s just registering in so many jurisdictions that’s the pain.
I’d say nice things about Max Verstappen if we could have passporting back.0 -
"Shambles, disaster, mistake" are prominent in both word clouds. There is clearly some common ground...SouthamObserver said:
Because the Brexit advocates who have been running the country for the last three years have failed totally to demonstrate any benefits to Remain voters it does not require close to a majority of Leave voters to change their minds for there to be a fundamental shift in public opinion. It only requires a relatively small minority - and shambles and disaster are pretty big in that Leave word cloud. This and the changing electorate are the two major challenges for those who do not want a much closer relationship between the UK and the EU.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
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You are one of the most boring, pointless, invisible posters on here. Why the fuck should anyone give a toss what you think?jamesdoyle said:After avoiding this place all morning because of trans arguments and ChatPT/AI waffle, I had faint hopes a new thread would clear the decks. No, of course not, what Was I thinking.
For the love of all that's holy, can we not just having a standing discussion thread for each of those and shunt them off there so non-obsessives can actually find the interesting topics.
Seriously. 306 comments, In total
You’re like a stranger bursting into a local boozer and shouting at the regulars: I DEMAND YOU STOP PLAYING DARTS0 -
Indeed. And it is not good for those who back the Brexit the government chose.Beibheirli_C said:
"Shambles, disaster, mistake" are prominent in both word clouds. There is clearly some common ground...SouthamObserver said:
Because the Brexit advocates who have been running the country for the last three years have failed totally to demonstrate any benefits to Remain voters it does not require close to a majority of Leave voters to change their minds for there to be a fundamental shift in public opinion. It only requires a relatively small minority - and shambles and disaster are pretty big in that Leave word cloud. This and the changing electorate are the two major challenges for those who do not want a much closer relationship between the UK and the EU.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
1 -
"But there isn’t going to be another vote" @MikeSmithson
Of COURSE there is going to be another vote.
It's just a question of when, not if.1 -
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires 2 A grades.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
I would expect even Queen Mary Maths students have a 9 at GCSE too, clearly putting them in the top 10%0 -
It's the kinder, gentler Leon today, I see.Leon said:
You are one of the most boring, pointless, invisible posters on here. Why the fuck should anyone give a toss what you think?jamesdoyle said:After avoiding this place all morning because of trans arguments and ChatPT/AI waffle, I had faint hopes a new thread would clear the decks. No, of course not, what Was I thinking.
For the love of all that's holy, can we not just having a standing discussion thread for each of those and shunt them off there so non-obsessives can actually find the interesting topics.
Seriously. 380 comments, In total
You’re like a stranger bursting into a local boozer and shouting at the regulars: I DEMAND YOU STOP PLAYING DARTS
You should think twice before disparaging readers. Some day you might be a writer...3 -
No Mike is right.Heathener said:"But there isn’t going to be another vote" @MikeSmithson
Of COURSE there is going to be another vote.
It's just a question of when, not if.
I hate Brexit and everything it stands for - but I am very confident we will never have a vote to rejoin. Too divisive.
We'll end up like Switzerland.0 -
Aww ❤️ that's nice. But not putting multiple rapists in women's prisons looks pretty uncomplicated to me.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
I already posted my views on this topic days ago. I think the commentary on this bill from you and others is entirely cynical and not about safety or anything else. We know this because you keep saying about how this is Sturgeon's big failure, that is what this is really about.CarlottaVance said:
Show me a post where I have attacked trans people.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Yet every post you make seems to attack them.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?
Let's be honest, if the Tories were proposing this bill you'd be telling us how wonderful it was. You are the most partisan poster on this entire site, actually worse than HYUFD.
Once again, directly to ad hom.
Why is a position supported by Labour and SNP MPs a Tory one?
What do YOU think of the Scottish GRR Bill?
Or don’t you have an opinion?
This issue is incredibly complicated, there is no perfect solution or answer. But I start from the position of love and compassion, not trying to vilify people to score points.0 -
That bad.Nigelb said:
THAT bad ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re financial services so not VAT registered.Pulpstar said:
Have you had to register for VAT within the EU (Netherlands for us) as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Same.Pulpstar said:Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.
It’s the buggeration factor is annoying with the only benefit is I’ve got a few pay rises because of it.
It’s just registering in so many jurisdictions that’s the pain.
I’d say nice things about Max Verstappen if we could have passporting back.
It’s just when you operate in virtually every EU country the paperwork is a nightmare.
Unlike Zahawi we cannot have careless mistakes.0 -
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG0 -
She's playing to the gallery again imo. The proposal (I think?) isn't that you have to have a degree to apply, it's that recruits are expected to do some further study on various things once in the force. The goal is to make it less likely that those wanting to become a policeman for the macho bantz and the buzz of throwing their weight around get in. So it seeks to address one of the biggests issues the police have - the calibre and mindset of their people.CarlottaVance said:"Policing is a difficult job with a simple mission: to keep the public safe",
@SuellaBraverman says. But "insisting on recruits having degrees" - as the College of Policing is doing - is "an example of pointless red tape" which she aims to scrap.
https://twitter.com/ConHome/status/16207646980095508480 -
Leon said:
Lol. You’re like those people who complain they are getting online adverts for donkey porn. It’s nearly always because you’ve been searching for “nude pictures of sexy donkeys”Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
If “For You” is serving up a menu of right wing bollocks that strongly suggests you are looking for this stuff. I will be charitable and assume this is because you like to be outraged by it, then you righteously dish it up here. Which is precisely what you do
. .0 -
After the trauma of Brexit - and it has been traumatic whatever your stance - it will take an incredibly brave and powerful government to risk all that againHeathener said:"But there isn’t going to be another vote" @MikeSmithson
Of COURSE there is going to be another vote.
It's just a question of when, not if.
It is not impossible. I just can’t see the circumstances arising where it would be feasible, in the medium term
Remoaners will try and take us back in by salami slicing Brexit until it is almost meaningless, without ever going the whole hog. OGH is right0 -
I was asked about single sex spaces.beinndearg said:
Aww ❤️ that's nice. But not putting multiple rapists in women's prisons looks pretty uncomplicated to me.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
I already posted my views on this topic days ago. I think the commentary on this bill from you and others is entirely cynical and not about safety or anything else. We know this because you keep saying about how this is Sturgeon's big failure, that is what this is really about.CarlottaVance said:
Show me a post where I have attacked trans people.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Yet every post you make seems to attack them.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?
Let's be honest, if the Tories were proposing this bill you'd be telling us how wonderful it was. You are the most partisan poster on this entire site, actually worse than HYUFD.
Once again, directly to ad hom.
Why is a position supported by Labour and SNP MPs a Tory one?
What do YOU think of the Scottish GRR Bill?
Or don’t you have an opinion?
This issue is incredibly complicated, there is no perfect solution or answer. But I start from the position of love and compassion, not trying to vilify people to score points.
If you transitioned to the female gender at 20 years old and you'd be in that state for thirty years, do you honestly believe that person should not be able to use female toilets? You see, it is complicated.0 -
Goodness Leon love, some consistency please. You like me and I have only 12 comments.Leon said:
You are one of the most boring, pointless, invisible posters on here. Why the fuck should anyone give a toss what you think?jamesdoyle said:After avoiding this place all morning because of trans arguments and ChatPT/AI waffle, I had faint hopes a new thread would clear the decks. No, of course not, what Was I thinking.
For the love of all that's holy, can we not just having a standing discussion thread for each of those and shunt them off there so non-obsessives can actually find the interesting topics.
Seriously. 380 comments, In total
You’re like a stranger bursting into a local boozer and shouting at the regulars: I DEMAND YOU STOP PLAYING DARTS
Can I have some of your bucket of vitriol please?
0 -
In future, grades will be encrypted in blockchains so that grade inflation cannot be checked or reported on. Each student can purchase a decryption key for an additional £9,000 in student loans...CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.2 -
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham0 -
Quite possibly the voters of Uxbridge...TheScreamingEagles said:Even disaster and shambles feature quite prominent for Leavers.
Who will flush the great Brexit turd?0 -
@TheScreamingEagles is one of the only decent Tories left.
He seems to decide to stay out of the trans debate, because he realises how utterly toxic it is. There is hope I might yet vote for your party if you're ever in a position of power.0 -
So, no quote of an attack by me on trans people. No acceptance that the politician leading the proposed change is responsible for the problem, but you’re quite happy to vilify me to score points.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
I already posted my views on this topic days ago. I think the commentary on this bill from you and others is entirely cynical and not about safety or anything else. We know this because you keep saying about how this is Sturgeon's big failure, that is what this is really about.CarlottaVance said:
Show me a post where I have attacked trans people.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Yet every post you make seems to attack them.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?
Let's be honest, if the Tories were proposing this bill you'd be telling us how wonderful it was. You are the most partisan poster on this entire site, actually worse than HYUFD.
Once again, directly to ad hom.
Why is a position supported by Labour and SNP MPs a Tory one?
What do YOU think of the Scottish GRR Bill?
Or don’t you have an opinion?
This issue is incredibly complicated, there is no perfect solution or answer. But I start from the position of love and compassion, not trying to vilify people to score points.
1 -
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham0 -
That isn't what you said. You said Russel Groups require an A* in the subject they study now.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham
They require a B in Computer Science, read what I said.
This is why people find you frustrating, just accept you were wrong.1 -
I’m defending US! The regulars. The people who actually comment and make the threads interesting - whether you are Scot Nit or UKIPPER, Leaver or Remoaner, @HYUFD or @CorrectHorseBattery, or all and any points in betweenNigelb said:
It's the kinder, gentler Leon today, I see.Leon said:
You are one of the most boring, pointless, invisible posters on here. Why the fuck should anyone give a toss what you think?jamesdoyle said:After avoiding this place all morning because of trans arguments and ChatPT/AI waffle, I had faint hopes a new thread would clear the decks. No, of course not, what Was I thinking.
For the love of all that's holy, can we not just having a standing discussion thread for each of those and shunt them off there so non-obsessives can actually find the interesting topics.
Seriously. 380 comments, In total
You’re like a stranger bursting into a local boozer and shouting at the regulars: I DEMAND YOU STOP PLAYING DARTS
You should think twice before disparaging readers. Some day you might be a writer...
Lurkers who never contribute have no right to make any demands, whatsoever0 -
@HYUFD is having a shocker this morning… anyway, good to know that we can add “ex polytechnics” to his list of deplorables…CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
1 -
@HYUFD Nottingham:
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/ugstudy/course/Computer-Science-BSc
AAA if you have an A in computer science/computing
You are wrong!0 -
Mode can.Beibheirli_C said:
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham2 -
I think we need to see the vocabulary that was offered before we can reach any conclusions.Selebian said:
.HYUFD said:Si most of the 52% who voted Leave still think above all Brexit gives freedom. Not much sign of rejoin from them, even if Remainers still mostly think it was a disaster
You can't infer that from the word cloud without a lot more information.
Word clouds are quick and fun (and sure, give some indication) but you'd need to do a lot more to get any kind of rigourous analysis - ideally not using a word cloud at all, of course. Even assuming a decent sample, you need to combine the words with the same meaning (e.g. 'disaster' and 'disastrous' for remain) set out how the sizing is done, remove irrelevant phrases such as 'european union' and deal with context such (the remain cloud for example could be a big majority using many variations on 'not a' in 'not a disaster' so that 'disaster' is the only word that gets big (I don't believe this to be the case, for avoidance of doubt).
Even if the scaling is 2d-linear with mentions, 'freedom' is much less than 'most' of the size of that word cloud.0 -
Nobody means (hah) mode when they refer to an average. The implication is the meanbeinndearg said:
Mode can.Beibheirli_C said:
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham1 -
I get utterly fed up seeing people come on here and say what grades you need to do a subject at uni.
A son of a good friend of mine got into Nottingham with ABB for Comp Sci two years ago. Ok an odd year but still.0 -
Don't all EU members recognise people authorised by one to operate there? Doesn't sound very single markety.TheScreamingEagles said:
That bad.Nigelb said:
THAT bad ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re financial services so not VAT registered.Pulpstar said:
Have you had to register for VAT within the EU (Netherlands for us) as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Same.Pulpstar said:Brexit's led to a bunch of direct costs for us as an exporting business. Just a big headache really.
It’s the buggeration factor is annoying with the only benefit is I’ve got a few pay rises because of it.
It’s just registering in so many jurisdictions that’s the pain.
I’d say nice things about Max Verstappen if we could have passporting back.
It’s just when you operate in virtually every EU country the paperwork is a nightmare.
Unlike Zahawi we cannot have careless mistakes.0 -
I suspect the algorithm writer doesn't have finely-tuned antennae, and thinks that if you show an interest in politics then you'll want the thoughts of Nigel Farage and other right-wing zealots. "But aren't there different kinds of politics?" is a question that will get dismissed as "Oh, too complicated, go away nerd".Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
It's not totally wrong, anyway. I'd be more interested in what Farage is saying than e.g. what Kim Kardashian says, wouldn't you?0 -
It can if it's a mode or median average. Mean average with banded grades is trickier to calculate in any case.Beibheirli_C said:
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham0 -
Pedantry alertBeibheirli_C said:
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham
Yes it can. For discreet data, often the most (only) sensible average to use is the median or mode (you can’t have a grade halfway between an A* and an A). If most grades are A*, both the median and the mode will be this.2 -
Nicola Sturgeon is not responsible for women using single sex spaces which is what you asked me.CarlottaVance said:
So, no quote of an attack by me on trans people. No acceptance that the politician leading the proposed change is responsible for the problem, but you’re quite happy to vilify me to score points.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
I already posted my views on this topic days ago. I think the commentary on this bill from you and others is entirely cynical and not about safety or anything else. We know this because you keep saying about how this is Sturgeon's big failure, that is what this is really about.CarlottaVance said:
Show me a post where I have attacked trans people.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Yet every post you make seems to attack them.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, and I’ve said so many times. They already have rights under the law.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
The discussion is about a badly drafted Scottish Bill that could compromise women’s rights to single sex spaces established by the Equality Act which is a U.K. wide matter and the responsibility of the U.K. government.
What’s your view on the Scottish GRR Bill?
Let's be honest, if the Tories were proposing this bill you'd be telling us how wonderful it was. You are the most partisan poster on this entire site, actually worse than HYUFD.
Once again, directly to ad hom.
Why is a position supported by Labour and SNP MPs a Tory one?
What do YOU think of the Scottish GRR Bill?
Or don’t you have an opinion?
This issue is incredibly complicated, there is no perfect solution or answer. But I start from the position of love and compassion, not trying to vilify people to score points.
Answer my question: if a man has transitioned completely to being a woman (gender), can they EVER use single sex spaces?
And if not, why not? What is the issue?0 -
But it is not toxic at all. The Scottish debate is ENTIRELY about men who are not in fact trans, pretending to be trans, so that they can assault women. I am happy to believe that no genuinely m to f trans person would dream of doing such a thing. You apparently are not.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@TheScreamingEagles is one of the only decent Tories left.
He seems to decide to stay out of the trans debate, because he realises how utterly toxic it is. There is hope I might yet vote for your party if you're ever in a position of power.0 -
There is an assumption in your question that trans people currently are denied legal rights that other groups have.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
This is not correct. Since 2004 trans people, as defined in the GRA, have had exactly the same legal rights as every other group. See also the 2010 Equality Act.
@CarlottaVance does not attack trans people. But she does criticise a Bill which:-
- is poorly thought out (as Sturgeon's latest actions show)
- badly drafted
- unsupported by Scottish people - according to opinion polls
- has been criticised by 2 different UN Rapporteurs on Sexual Violence against Women and Torture
- removes existing legal safeguards for others impacted by gender recognition
- has resulted in one of her own Ministers resigning and some SNP MSPs voting against and
- has led to a potential constitutional clash with Westminster over devolution.
By some accounts there has also been a drop in SNP membership in the last 2 months while the Bill has been going through Holyrood, though that may be a coincidence.
It has also resulted in -
- the Labour Shadow Home Secretary publicly stating a view at odds with what members of the Shadow Cabinet have said in the past on the topic
- the Labour leader distancing himself from some of the Bill's provisions (suggesting a possible clash with Scottish Labour) and
- criticism of him by Labour MPs and peers and papers such as the Guardian for his failure to be tough on misogyny within the party he leads.
By any standards it is a political story worth commenting on.
It is certainly as interesting as arguments about the standards of the Brexit referendum campaigns in 2016 which are regularly - and tediously - rehashed on here.
Incidentally - and this may be relevant to any future independence referendum - the Bill gives the right to self-ID to anyone born in Scotland. During the last referendum, the vote was restricted to those living in Scotland. If there is a second referendum, will the vote be extended to those born in Scotland in the same way as for GRR. And if not, why not?1 -
So naive lolCarlottaVance said:
Yes.Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
They seem to think you’re interested in right wing shite:
We recommend Tweets to you based on who you already follow and Topics you follow
https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-timeline
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Pedantrymaxh said:
Pedantry alertBeibheirli_C said:
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham
Yes it can. For discreet data, often the most (only) sensible average to use is the median or mode (you can’t have a grade halfway between an A* and an A). If most grades are A*, both the median and the mode will be this.
Discreet for discrete. Dearie me.1 -
No, it's not toxic. Nor is it of much relevance to all but a tiny percentage of the population.beinndearg said:
But it is not toxic at all. The Scottish debate is ENTIRELY about men who are not in fact trans, pretending to be trans, so that they can assault women. I am happy to believe that no genuinely m to f trans person would dream of doing such a thing. You apparently are not.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@TheScreamingEagles is one of the only decent Tories left.
He seems to decide to stay out of the trans debate, because he realises how utterly toxic it is. There is hope I might yet vote for your party if you're ever in a position of power.0 -
And what did they get for GCSE IT? If a 9 they would still be top 10%.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:I get utterly fed up seeing people come on here and say what grades you need to do a subject at uni.
A son of a good friend of mine got into Nottingham with ABB for Comp Sci two years ago. Ok an odd year but still.
As you say even ABB was below the usual year Nottingham A level requirements0 -
I think they are "experimenting".NickPalmer said:
I suspect the algorithm writer doesn't have finely-tuned antennae, and thinks that if you show an interest in politics then you'll want the thoughts of Nigel Farage and other right-wing zealots. "But aren't there different kinds of politics?" is a question that will get dismissed as "Oh, too complicated, go away nerd".Theuniondivvie said:Fpt
Does Twitter now default to ‘For you’ (loads of advertising and right wing shite) and ‘Following’ (tweets over which one might have exerted a minimal amount of selectivity)? Annoying if so.
It's not totally wrong, anyway. I'd be more interested in what Farage is saying than e.g. what Kim Kardashian says, wouldn't you?0 -
Bah, you and others beat me to it.beinndearg said:
Mode can.Beibheirli_C said:
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham
My fault for trying to post on my phone whilst locked out of my own house!
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The standard offer actually includes an A* and for most they will get an A* in Computer Science anyway if studying itCorrectHorseBattery3 said:@HYUFD Nottingham:
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/ugstudy/course/Computer-Science-BSc
AAA if you have an A in computer science/computing
You are wrong!0 -
This is utterly pathetic HYUFD.HYUFD said:
And what did they get for GCSE IT? If a 9 they would still be top 10%.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:I get utterly fed up seeing people come on here and say what grades you need to do a subject at uni.
A son of a good friend of mine got into Nottingham with ABB for Comp Sci two years ago. Ok an odd year but still.
As you say even ABB was below the odd year Nottingham A level requirements
I am rapidly losing patience with you mate.
You said most degrees require an A* in the subject they study now.
I've demonstrated two where that isn't true - Nottingham arguably has the best Comp Sci department in the country besides Cambridge.
Just accept you were wrong rather than gaslighting me. I've come out to bat for you so many times but this is making me jolly annoyed.0 -
A* = 1maxh said:
Pedantry alertBeibheirli_C said:
If the average grade is an A*, what are the grades above it? An average cannot be at the top of a range of more than one value.HYUFD said:
No, as Queen Mary is the lowest ranked of the Russell Group universities in league tables.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
You literally said it's an A*!HYUFD said:
So even Queen Mary, one of the lowest ranked Russell Group universities requires an A grade.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/coursefinder/courses/2023/digital-and-technology-solutions-software-engineer/HYUFD said:
No it isn't, check Russell Group universities admissions criteria nowCorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Utter nonsense. Goodness me.HYUFD said:No it isn't, only the top 10% get A* grades at A Level or got A* grades (now 1s) at GCSE.
Virtually every Russell Group student has an A* in the subject they study now
Grades AAB at A-Level. Alternatively, A-Level grades ABB including either A-Level Mathematics or Computer Science. Excludes General Studies and Critical Thinking.
Oh dear.
Durham University requires an A* in Maths or further Maths to study it.
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/g100/
YOU WERE WRONG
The average will be A* in the subject studied, like Durham
Yes it can. For discreet data, often the most (only) sensible average to use is the median or mode (you can’t have a grade halfway between an A* and an A). If most grades are A*, both the median and the mode will be this.
A = 2
B = 3
etc
Calculate mean.
Convert back into grade (eg, 3.7 is between B and C, closer to a C).
Will probably give you an outcome that's as least as useful as the median, and more useful than the mode (which is very prone to being affected by data artefacts).
Sometimes it's useful to know that the expected outcome from a die roll is 3.5; sometimes it's not...0 -
You and he are just utterly, weirdly, obsessed by this topic. In a frankly really, really, nasty way.Cyclefree said:CorrectHorseBattery3 said:@CarlottaVance do you believe trans people deserve our love and compassion and do you think they are deserving of rights under the law?
@CarlottaVance does not attack trans people.2
