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Lots of tractor enthusiasts.DavidL said:
Birds and bees IIRC.DougSeal said:
Yes - I noticed that when I was driving up to York in September. What’s that all about?Stuartinromford said:
There was a stage in my life when I was going up and down the Lincolnshire A1 a lot. The most noticeable thing was the way that all the Little Chefs had been turned into sex shops;TimS said:
Though quite possibly a hotbed of Refuk too.ThomasNashe said:
Suitable redoubt for the ‘last of the Tories’. Finally, a use has been found for it.DougSeal said:
Lincolnshire’s weird anyway. Where does one group it? It’s not East Anglia, it’s certainly not Yorkshire, and when one says “East Midlands” one thinks of Notts and Derby, not Lincs. It doesn’t really fit anywhere in the vernacular geography of English regions.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"We'll always have Lincolnshire!"TimS said:Looks like the Tories are well placed to clean up in Lincolnshire. Can Labour ever win again if they can’t make progress in Lincs?
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On the other hand, the Tory Party is supposed to be working for the UK not the other way round.TimS said:
I, er, agree with HYUFD. At least on the Massey story. Working for a firm that advises rich people on tax schemes, even if aggressive and even if at the morally questionable end of the spectrum, is not comparable with “carelessly” failing to declare capital gains in the manner of Zahawi.HYUFD said:
What finance or accountancy firm doesn't help its rich clients cut their tax bills? If a tax avoidance scheme is legal so what?TheScreamingEagles said:Tories in crisis as party's chief executive and treasurer dragged into tax dodging row
Tory treasurer Graham Edwards was found to have used a tax avoidance scheme, while the party's chief executive Stephen Massey still works for a firm that helps the rich slash their tax bills
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-crisis-partys-chief-executive-29090104
What a ludicrous non story. That is what people expect Tories to do, it would only be relevant and hypocrisy if Labour people did it1 -
Yes. Look it up.StuartDickson said:
6 men and 2 women responded Prince Andrew. Can women be nonces?dixiedean said:
Nonces have a right to take part in polling, too.StuartDickson said:Ipsos: 1% of respondents say that Prince Andrew is their favourite royal.
Surely taking the piss?0 -
Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/0 -
Indeed.
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Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners0 -
What a load of rubbish, legal tax scenes which Tories support are not promoting family values while committing adulteryTheScreamingEagles said:Indeed.
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Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligious.TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
Globally the average under 50 year old Christian lives in sub Saharan Africa or Latin America now not Europe.
100 years ago most Christians lived in Europe0 -
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.4 -
2000 years ago, most Christians lived in Asia (and a bit in Africa).HYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligious.TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
Globally the average under 50 year old Christian lives in sub Saharan Africa or Latin America now not Europe.
100 years ago most Christians lived in Europe0 -
Off topic, but I think many will be pleased by Max Boot's conclusion: "As an unsentimental practitioner of realpolitik, Xi does not want to wind up on what could be the losing side. The Financial Times reports, based on conversations with Chinese officials, that “China now perceives a likelihood that Russia will fail to prevail against Ukraine and emerge from the conflict a ‘minor power,’ much diminished economically and diplomatically on the world stage.”
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/china-russia-ukraine-xi-putin/1 -
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.0 -
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
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God doesn't exist. He told me personally!HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.0 -
If that last were the explanation, the situatioin would exhibit a steadyt state,. Indeed, as the population/age distrubition curve changes with time, there should be an *increase* in religion as the population ages. Ergo, it'#s not nearly enough to compensate for people dumping religion.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.0 -
That's not what he told me!Sunil_Prasannan said:
God doesn't exist. He told me personally!HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.0 -
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!0 -
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.0 -
Reach out and touch faithHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligious.TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
Globally the average under 50 year old Christian lives in sub Saharan Africa or Latin America now not Europe.
100 years ago most Christians lived in Europe
Your own personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there
Feeling unknown
You're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Pick up the receiver, I'll make you a believer
Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliver, you know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith
Reach out and touch faith
Your own personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there
Feeling unknown
And you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Pick up the receiver, I'll make you a believer
I will deliver, you know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith
Your own personal Jesus
Reach out and touch faith
Reach out and touch faith
Reach out and touch faith0 -
Indeed, the religion started in the Middle East of course we sometimes forgetCarnyx said:
2000 years ago, most Christians lived in Asia (and a bit in Africa).HYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligious.TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
Globally the average under 50 year old Christian lives in sub Saharan Africa or Latin America now not Europe.
100 years ago most Christians lived in Europe0 -
Quite.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Thou shalt not steal" - The Bible.HYUFD said:
What finance or accountancy firm doesn't help its rich clients cut their tax bills? If a tax avoidance scheme is legal so what?TheScreamingEagles said:Tories in crisis as party's chief executive and treasurer dragged into tax dodging row
Tory treasurer Graham Edwards was found to have used a tax avoidance scheme, while the party's chief executive Stephen Massey still works for a firm that helps the rich slash their tax bills
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-crisis-partys-chief-executive-29090104
What a ludicrous non story. That is what people expect Tories to do, it would only be relevant and hypocrisy if Labour people did it
Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk. 16And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. 17Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. 22When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.1 -
Stamford is on the railway, albeit not a main line.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.1 -
Indeed, I must find my copy and reread it.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
Cromarty in Scotland is another nice example of not getting the railway.1 -
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.0 -
Issa (Jesus) is regarded as a prophet, not the Messiah in Islam as I understand.HYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.0 -
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
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My messiah and prophet Is Jurgen Klopp.HYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.
Liverpool FC is my religion.
Anfield is my cathedral.2 -
Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
If you are early to mid 80s though and not with bad dementia you are retired, your children have long left home, your body isn't fit enough to play most sports or go to the gym. So Sunday morning Church of England services are also a good social activity where you will meet lots of your own age group0 -
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!5 -
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
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Interesting documentary on BBC2 about the background to Ukraine. Well worth a watch.0
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Testing your faith.Sunil_Prasannan said:
God doesn't exist. He told me personally!HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.0 -
Benpointer said:
Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
Ben you would be very welcome here in Lincolnshire. I can strongly recommend the villages along the Lincolnshire edge. A few miles from the East Coast mainline stations at Newark and Grantham but unaffected by commuter belt madness when it comes to house prices. Lots of Georgian houses of all sizes. Of course you might have to wear a false beard to hide that weak Remainary chin
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Also explains the Conservative local association membership?HYUFD said:Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
If you are early to mid 80s though and not with bad dementia you are retired, your children have long left home, your body isn't fit enough to play most sports. So Sunday morning Church of England services are also a good social activity where you will meet lots of your own age group1 -
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer0 -
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
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Yep we also have a number of over 80s, including one widower whose main involvement in the party is chatting up widows at social events!!Selebian said:
Also explains the Conservative local association membership?HYUFD said:Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
If you are early to mid 80s though and not with bad dementia you are retired, your children have long left home, your body isn't fit enough to play most sports. So Sunday morning Church of England services are also a good social activity where you will meet lots of your own age group2 -
Think you might have got the spelling wrong there. There is, afterall, no 'we' in 'I'HYUFD said:
Indeed, the religion started in the Middle East of course we sometimes forgetCarnyx said:
2000 years ago, most Christians lived in Asia (and a bit in Africa).HYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligious.TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
Globally the average under 50 year old Christian lives in sub Saharan Africa or Latin America now not Europe.
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The Koran describes Jesus as the MessiahFoxy said:
Issa (Jesus) is regarded as a prophet, not the Messiah in Islam as I understand.HYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam#:~:text=In the Quran, Jesus is,was miraculously saved by God.
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Boston and Skegness is listed as least Bregretful, hence deepest purple.Richard_Tyndall said:
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
It is @StuartDickson that brought up Louth and Horncastle.0 -
So why is Louth and Horncastle listed in deep purple (no guitar riffs please) in the list? Weird.Foxy said:
Boston and Skegness is listed as least Bregretful, hence deepest purple.Richard_Tyndall said:
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
It is @StuartDickson that brought up Louth and Horncastle.0 -
L and H are 3rd in the list of least Bregretful, B and S is the least of all, so darkest Purple.Richard_Tyndall said:
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
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I don't know why the text is highlighted, but the map is correctly coloured.Richard_Tyndall said:
So why is Louth and Horncastle listed in deep purple (no guitar riffs please) in the list? Weird.Foxy said:
Boston and Skegness is listed as least Bregretful, hence deepest purple.Richard_Tyndall said:
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
It is @StuartDickson that brought up Louth and Horncastle.0 -
And your favourite player?TheScreamingEagles said:
My messiah and prophet Is Jurgen Klopp.HYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.
Liverpool FC is my religion.
Anfield is my cathedral.
Bet it's that Mohamed chap.0 -
Alisson Becker is my favourite player.Northern_Al said:
And your favourite player?TheScreamingEagles said:
My messiah and prophet Is Jurgen Klopp.HYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.
Liverpool FC is my religion.
Anfield is my cathedral.
Bet it's that Mohamed chap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmvJ3KqUEcI0 -
I know. That was my point. The text is highlighted incorrectly and doesn't match the map.Foxy said:
I don't know why the text is highlighted, but the map is correctly coloured.Richard_Tyndall said:
So why is Louth and Horncastle listed in deep purple (no guitar riffs please) in the list? Weird.Foxy said:
Boston and Skegness is listed as least Bregretful, hence deepest purple.Richard_Tyndall said:
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
It is @StuartDickson that brought up Louth and Horncastle.0 -
That's very kind. As a true Guardianista I have had a beard for 40 years so my weak Remainery chin is well-hidden (unfortunately the sandals may give me away though).Richard_Tyndall said:Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
Ben you would be very welcome here in Lincolnshire. I can strongly recommend the villages along the Lincolnshire edge. A few miles from the East Coast mainline stations at Newark and Grantham but unaffected by commuter belt madness when it comes to house prices. Lots of Georgian houses of all sizes. Of course you might have to wear a false beard to hide that weak Remainary chin2 -
Probably just smoke on the water.Richard_Tyndall said:
So why is Louth and Horncastle listed in deep purple (no guitar riffs please) in the list? Weird.Foxy said:
Boston and Skegness is listed as least Bregretful, hence deepest purple.Richard_Tyndall said:
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
It is @StuartDickson that brought up Louth and Horncastle.1 -
For those wanting a slimmed down monarchy, look no further than Kate.0
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That is a most fabulous goal - fair enough.TheScreamingEagles said:
Alisson Becker is my favourite player.Northern_Al said:
And your favourite player?TheScreamingEagles said:
My messiah and prophet Is Jurgen Klopp.HYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.
Liverpool FC is my religion.
Anfield is my cathedral.
Bet it's that Mohamed chap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmvJ3KqUEcI
PS: don't let the trans brigade get started on Allison Becker.1 -
This is Lincolnshire. You'll be knee deep in manure so no one will notice the sandalsBenpointer said:
That's very kind. As a true Guardianista I have had a beard for 40 years so my weak Remainery chin is well-hidden (unfortunately the sandals may give me away though).Richard_Tyndall said:Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
Ben you would be very welcome here in Lincolnshire. I can strongly recommend the villages along the Lincolnshire edge. A few miles from the East Coast mainline stations at Newark and Grantham but unaffected by commuter belt madness when it comes to house prices. Lots of Georgian houses of all sizes. Of course you might have to wear a false beard to hide that weak Remainary chin
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HushNorthern_Al said:
Probably just smoke on the water.Richard_Tyndall said:
So why is Louth and Horncastle listed in deep purple (no guitar riffs please) in the list? Weird.Foxy said:
Boston and Skegness is listed as least Bregretful, hence deepest purple.Richard_Tyndall said:
In the key of the top ten Remainer constituencies only one is highlighted as 'strongly disagree' and that is Louth and Horncastle. The others are all coloured 'mildly disagree'Foxy said:
It isn't highlighted, just that Boston and Skegness is even more Brexity.Richard_Tyndall said:
That map is shit. The constituency highlighted as Louth and Horncastle - isn't.Benpointer said:
Tbf Victoria Atkins might be a good bet for next leader of the conservative party if they end up with 20 or so seats.StuartDickson said:Louth and Horncastle LOL.
It is @StuartDickson that brought up Louth and Horncastle.1 -
Probably distracted by Dave tearfully imploring him to intervene over indy.DavidL said:0 -
Nah just typical of his complete lack of interest in Europe. He was always far more interested in the Pacific.Theuniondivvie said:
Probably distracted by Dave tearfully imploring him to intervene over indy.DavidL said:0 -
Scottish media (or some of it, at any rate) finally trying to hold Sturgeon to account:
I asked @NicolaSturgeon if she could substantiate her remarks about some opponents of gender recognition reform being misogynistic, homophobic and racist?
Ms Sturgeon says she’s not suggesting opponents are ‘by definition badly motivated’ and was talking in ‘general terms’. [VIDEO]
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/16201462957165813760 -
He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!Foxy said:
Issa (Jesus) is regarded as a prophet, not the Messiah in Islam as I understand.HYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.2 -
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.1 -
Paging Leon!
Mysterious 'whirlpool' appears in the night sky above Hawaii
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-644585110 -
My mid 70s parents are now both Lib Dem voters, my mother having finally come over from the blue side after the Brexit vote even though the Tories departed from her ideologically years before that. The interesting thing is they are in their own boomer remainer bubble. Just about all of their friends (most of many decades) are also devout remainers. So the demographic certainly exists.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.0 -
My mother's favourite politicians were Tony Benn and Margaret Thatcher.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
No wonder I'm so fucked up.3 -
Though even though most graduates over 70 voted Remain (albeit if only a small cohort of that overwhelmingly pro Brexit age group) they also still mostly voted Tory in 2019 like the rest of their age groupTimS said:
My mid 70s parents are now both Lib Dem voters, my mother having finally come over from the blue side after the Brexit vote even though the Tories departed from her ideologically years before that. The interesting thing is they are in their own boomer remainer bubble. Just about all of their friends (most of many decades) are also devout remainers. So the demographic certainly exists.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.0 -
My mother voted LibDem in the council elections, the first non-Tory vote of a lifetime. Deserting at the GE might still be a step too far, Tho.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
Immediately after the referendum, she told me she voted Remain, but she is now convinced she voted Leave, but regrets it. I keep telling her she actually did the right thing, but it doesn’t seem to stick. I think Tory and Leave are closely linked in her mind now - in a way that they weren’t back then - and she has persuaded herself that she must have voted that way in 2016.0 -
Adam Curtis's documentary about Russia between 1985 and 1999 is on BBC4 atm. It was only on iPlayer when originally released a couple of months ago, but people like Matthew Parris gave it excellent reviews so maybe that persuaded the BBC to give it a TV slot.2
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Plenty of boomer remainers in our village.TimS said:
My mid 70s parents are now both Lib Dem voters, my mother having finally come over from the blue side after the Brexit vote even though the Tories departed from her ideologically years before that. The interesting thing is they are in their own boomer remainer bubble. Just about all of their friends (most of many decades) are also devout remainers. So the demographic certainly exists.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.0 -
Yeah. It's often overdone.Benpointer said:
Plenty of boomer remainers in our village.TimS said:
My mid 70s parents are now both Lib Dem voters, my mother having finally come over from the blue side after the Brexit vote even though the Tories departed from her ideologically years before that. The interesting thing is they are in their own boomer remainer bubble. Just about all of their friends (most of many decades) are also devout remainers. So the demographic certainly exists.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
3 in 10 voters in Boston voted Remain. It's not like any place or demographic was unanimous.3 -
You forget Gibraltar.dixiedean said:
Yeah. It's often overdone.Benpointer said:
Plenty of boomer remainers in our village.TimS said:
My mid 70s parents are now both Lib Dem voters, my mother having finally come over from the blue side after the Brexit vote even though the Tories departed from her ideologically years before that. The interesting thing is they are in their own boomer remainer bubble. Just about all of their friends (most of many decades) are also devout remainers. So the demographic certainly exists.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
3 in 10 voters in Boston voted Remain. It's not like any place or demographic was unanimous.2 -
York has lots of railways, and is pretty.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.1 -
I'm not Nadhim Zahawi.tlg86 said:
You forget Gibraltar.dixiedean said:
Yeah. It's often overdone.Benpointer said:
Plenty of boomer remainers in our village.TimS said:
My mid 70s parents are now both Lib Dem voters, my mother having finally come over from the blue side after the Brexit vote even though the Tories departed from her ideologically years before that. The interesting thing is they are in their own boomer remainer bubble. Just about all of their friends (most of many decades) are also devout remainers. So the demographic certainly exists.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
3 in 10 voters in Boston voted Remain. It's not like any place or demographic was unanimous.2 -
Indeed, 25% of voters in Camden and 30% of voters in Oxford voted Leave toodixiedean said:
Yeah. It's often overdone.Benpointer said:
Plenty of boomer remainers in our village.TimS said:
My mid 70s parents are now both Lib Dem voters, my mother having finally come over from the blue side after the Brexit vote even though the Tories departed from her ideologically years before that. The interesting thing is they are in their own boomer remainer bubble. Just about all of their friends (most of many decades) are also devout remainers. So the demographic certainly exists.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
3 in 10 voters in Boston voted Remain. It's not like any place or demographic was unanimous.1 -
Lots of pensioners vote LD locally (LD councillors and council candidates tend to be NIMBY and claim to get the potholes done) and Tory nationally in my experienceIanB2 said:
My mother voted LibDem in the council elections, the first non-Tory vote of a lifetime. Deserting at the GE might still be a step too far, Tho.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
Immediately after the referendum, she told me she voted Remain, but she is now convinced she voted Leave, but regrets it. I keep telling her she actually did the right thing, but it doesn’t seem to stick. I think Tory and Leave are closely linked in her mind now - in a way that they weren’t back then - and she has persuaded herself that she must have voted that way in 2016.0 -
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On the contrary, that seems great for China. Russia becomes a de facto Chinese protectorate in the same way that Ukraine has become an American one.Jim_Miller said:Off topic, but I think many will be pleased by Max Boot's conclusion: "As an unsentimental practitioner of realpolitik, Xi does not want to wind up on what could be the losing side. The Financial Times reports, based on conversations with Chinese officials, that “China now perceives a likelihood that Russia will fail to prevail against Ukraine and emerge from the conflict a ‘minor power,’ much diminished economically and diplomatically on the world stage.”
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/china-russia-ukraine-xi-putin/3 -
The point about my mother - Tory member for most of her life - is that it was the first time, despite my 24 years as a LibDem councillor myself. Although she did always say she’d vote for me if I stood in her ward!HYUFD said:
Lots of pensioners vote LD locally (LD councillors and council candidates tend to be NIMBY and claim to get the potholes done) and Tory nationally in my experienceIanB2 said:
My mother voted LibDem in the council elections, the first non-Tory vote of a lifetime. Deserting at the GE might still be a step too far, Tho.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
Immediately after the referendum, she told me she voted Remain, but she is now convinced she voted Leave, but regrets it. I keep telling her she actually did the right thing, but it doesn’t seem to stick. I think Tory and Leave are closely linked in her mind now - in a way that they weren’t back then - and she has persuaded herself that she must have voted that way in 2016.1 -
SpaceX F9 upper upstage, venting - just from the description.Benpointer said:Paging Leon!
Mysterious 'whirlpool' appears in the night sky above Hawaii
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-644585110 -
Nottingham got the mainline railway at the ideal time to trigger a big boom in Victorian industry and slum housing. Similar happened to other towns, some of which only really exist at the scale they do because of the railway. Meanwhile Stamford missed the main line despite being of a similar size and close by, so it remained a handsome mediaeval and Georgian town.Fairliered said:
York has lots of railways, and is pretty.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
You can see the same effect with the airports. The inner Thames Valley and Surrey, as well as the area around Crawley, chock full of post war trading estates, business parks and detached 60s-90s housing. Or earlier still the cities that grew up around ports.
Not sure why York escaped the industry. Perhaps because there was already plenty in the West Yorkshire coalfields.0 -
Can we hold the AV referendum again? I think voters got that one wrong.3
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My grandfather voted Conservative, but once gave me a book by Mao with the words "There's a lot of truth in this!"Northern_Al said:
My mother's favourite politicians were Tony Benn and Margaret Thatcher.dixiedean said:
You can stick my Mother on that list.HYUFD said:
Yes unless you are Tony Benn if you are not voting Tory by 80 you are very unusual.dixiedean said:
As is, entirely coincidentally, voting Conservative.Carnyx said:
Not sure what that proves. Dementia has, likewise, in my lifetime always been most prominent in over 80s.HYUFD said:
Still 9.8 million UK Christians under 40 though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is another way iof saying that the C of E etc is going down the spout, like pigeon-racing, prgramming in Fortran, and other sports of the elderly. The Graun has it a rather different way:TheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/30/census-data-england-wales-uk-non-religious-future-campaigners
Plus as people get older they tend to become more religious as an insurance policy as death approaches.
The C of E has always in my lifetime had its highest percentage of age group church attendance amongst over 80s as a result!
Even now most over 65s are still Conservative even if most younger than that are now for Starmer
Mind you, Tony Benn's a bit milquetoast for her company.
No wonder I'm so fucked up.
People are complex and their politics not always consistent.1 -
Can we reverse The Great Reform Act - I agree with Wellington about the hats.Andy_JS said:Can we hold the AV referendum again? I think voters got that one wrong.
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York is just strange. Middle class in the main. Yet only football and rugby league. Union never got any kind of foothold.TimS said:
Nottingham got the mainline railway at the ideal time to trigger a big boom in Victorian industry and slum housing. Similar happened to other towns, some of which only really exist at the scale they do because of the railway. Meanwhile Stamford missed the main line despite being of a similar size and close by, so it remained a handsome mediaeval and Georgian town.Fairliered said:
York has lots of railways, and is pretty.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
You can see the same effect with the airports. The inner Thames Valley and Surrey, as well as the area around Crawley, chock full of post war trading estates, business parks and detached 60s-90s housing. Or earlier still the cities that grew up around ports.
Not sure why York escaped the industry. Perhaps because there was already plenty in the West Yorkshire coalfields.0 -
I was born and raised in York. It wasn't always so middle class. The largest employers used to be chocolate factories - Rowntree's and Terry's - and the railways. As a kid, our Xmas presents were selection boxes given by the chocolate factories to the workers. It had lots of working-class suburbs.dixiedean said:
York is just strange. Middle class in the main. Yet only football and rugby league. Union never got any kind of foothold.TimS said:
Nottingham got the mainline railway at the ideal time to trigger a big boom in Victorian industry and slum housing. Similar happened to other towns, some of which only really exist at the scale they do because of the railway. Meanwhile Stamford missed the main line despite being of a similar size and close by, so it remained a handsome mediaeval and Georgian town.Fairliered said:
York has lots of railways, and is pretty.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
You can see the same effect with the airports. The inner Thames Valley and Surrey, as well as the area around Crawley, chock full of post war trading estates, business parks and detached 60s-90s housing. Or earlier still the cities that grew up around ports.
Not sure why York escaped the industry. Perhaps because there was already plenty in the West Yorkshire coalfields.1 -
York university, founded only in 1963 but one of the top universities in the country now and all the asssociated academics and students and research staff is one of the key reasons why York became mostly middle class.Northern_Al said:
I was born and raised in York. It wasn't always so middle class. The largest employers used to be chocolate factories - Rowntree's and Terry's - and the railways. As a kid, our Xmas presents were selection boxes given by the chocolate factories to the workers. It had lots of working-class suburbs.dixiedean said:
York is just strange. Middle class in the main. Yet only football and rugby league. Union never got any kind of foothold.TimS said:
Nottingham got the mainline railway at the ideal time to trigger a big boom in Victorian industry and slum housing. Similar happened to other towns, some of which only really exist at the scale they do because of the railway. Meanwhile Stamford missed the main line despite being of a similar size and close by, so it remained a handsome mediaeval and Georgian town.Fairliered said:
York has lots of railways, and is pretty.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
You can see the same effect with the airports. The inner Thames Valley and Surrey, as well as the area around Crawley, chock full of post war trading estates, business parks and detached 60s-90s housing. Or earlier still the cities that grew up around ports.
Not sure why York escaped the industry. Perhaps because there was already plenty in the West Yorkshire coalfields.
Though it has always had the second most important cathedral in the country after Canterbury of course0 -
I'm honestly not sure what that is supposed to mean. By talking 'in general terms' does she mean she meant it, but is claiming it didn't mean what it appeared to mean?CarlottaVance said:Scottish media (or some of it, at any rate) finally trying to hold Sturgeon to account:
I asked @NicolaSturgeon if she could substantiate her remarks about some opponents of gender recognition reform being misogynistic, homophobic and racist?
Ms Sturgeon says she’s not suggesting opponents are ‘by definition badly motivated’ and was talking in ‘general terms’. [VIDEO]
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/16201462957165813761 -
“I’m not accusing anyone in particular, but…”kle4 said:
I'm honestly not sure what that is supposed to mean. By talking 'in general terms' does she mean she meant it, but is claiming it didn't mean what it appeared to mean?CarlottaVance said:Scottish media (or some of it, at any rate) finally trying to hold Sturgeon to account:
I asked @NicolaSturgeon if she could substantiate her remarks about some opponents of gender recognition reform being misogynistic, homophobic and racist?
Ms Sturgeon says she’s not suggesting opponents are ‘by definition badly motivated’ and was talking in ‘general terms’. [VIDEO]
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/16201462957165813760 -
Verhofstadt having a quick troll.
Though he’s perhaps quite sincere at the same time ?
I have a dream.
Ukraine & Britain joining the EU in the next 5 years. Who's in?
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/16200720370197135421 -
Japan top of the list for Covid deaths at the moment, despite the fact nearly everyone still wears masks there.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/0 -
Well of course if Ukraine does join the EU are going to need another cash cow country they can milk for billions in membership fees to compensate. Probably the only reason they would want the UK back.Nigelb said:Verhofstadt having a quick troll.
Though he’s perhaps quite sincere at the same time ?
I have a dream.
Ukraine & Britain joining the EU in the next 5 years. Who's in?
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/16200720370197135420 -
As a non atheist I dont believe jesus was the messiah either. He was hardly even a naughty boyHYUFD said:
Of course Muslims like you and your father believe Jesus was the Messiah too like we Christians unlike atheists, just unlike Christians you don't believe in the Trinity and your main prophet is MuhammadTheScreamingEagles said:
I answered as a Muslim on the censusHYUFD said:
Though I note UK Muslims now have an average age even younger than the irreligiousTheScreamingEagles said:Average age of UK Christians reaches 50 and over for first time
Church of England will prioritise ‘the need to connect with Generation Z’ after marked increase in young people with ‘no religion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/30/average-age-uk-christians-reaches-50-first-time/because my father was sat next to me when I was filling it inbecause you know how much of a pious and observant Muslim I am.1 -
My final job was in York as Development Director for the University and it was really great place to live and work. What was strange was that just about all the faces in the streets were white. There were hardly any non white ones.Northern_Al said:
I was born and raised in York. It wasn't always so middle class. The largest employers used to be chocolate factories - Rowntree's and Terry's - and the railways. As a kid, our Xmas presents were selection boxes given by the chocolate factories to the workers. It had lots of working-class suburbs.dixiedean said:
York is just strange. Middle class in the main. Yet only football and rugby league. Union never got any kind of foothold.TimS said:
Nottingham got the mainline railway at the ideal time to trigger a big boom in Victorian industry and slum housing. Similar happened to other towns, some of which only really exist at the scale they do because of the railway. Meanwhile Stamford missed the main line despite being of a similar size and close by, so it remained a handsome mediaeval and Georgian town.Fairliered said:
York has lots of railways, and is pretty.TimS said:
Very interesting chapter in Hoskins’ making of the English landscape about the contrasting histories of Stamford and Nottingham. The latter got the railway, the former didn’t. Which is why it’s still pretty.Foxy said:
Lincoln is quite a pleasant city, as is Stamford and both Bourne and Louth. Apart from Stamford, hard to describe as good transport links.Benpointer said:Mrs. P and I are thinking about where to move where we can get a lot of house for our money, a rural location, reasonable transport links etc.
Lincolnshire has come up as a possibility but as devout Remainers, I'm not sure we'd fit in. Better cross it off the list.
You can see the same effect with the airports. The inner Thames Valley and Surrey, as well as the area around Crawley, chock full of post war trading estates, business parks and detached 60s-90s housing. Or earlier still the cities that grew up around ports.
Not sure why York escaped the industry. Perhaps because there was already plenty in the West Yorkshire coalfields.
These were for be the very early days of PB2 -
Population of California.
2020: 39,538,245
2021: 39,142,991
2022: 39,029,342
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/CA/PST045222
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-population-falls-to-lowest-level-in-over-a-17744210.php
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/san-francisco-population-declines-17746756.php0
