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FrancisUrquhart said:

MaxPB said:

eek said:

MaxPB said:

eek said:

MaxPB said:

Got my Mac set up all nicely, it really is a world of difference. I think I'll budget upgrades for the whole team next FY, some of these poor sods are using i5 8GB ones with the butterfly keyboards.

In other news just seen the team note on factory gate prices falling in the UK, I think we're set for a much bigger fall in inflation than is being forecast. I also noticed the OBR has decided to ignore reality and doubled down on their already woefully incorrect economic doom forecasts as I predicted earlier this month.

Worth saying that I'm currently setting up my new Mac (a second hand 32gb MacBook Pro M1 Max 14") that I picked up for just under £1700 - yep it's a lot but way less than the new price and half the price of the M2 equivalent.

Likewise my new phone is an £800 iphone 13 max which cost £1250 new.

There are decent savings to be had if you are happy to accept slightly used.

Nah we get our stuff directly from Apple pre configured. It's just easier that way.

A sane policy for corporations not so great when you are spending post tax income

The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

In about 5 mins I had homebrew installed and then 5 mins later Git and then VS Code. Everything else like Slack and Zoom was preconfigured. With Windows I have to spend the first hour just getting rid of all of Dell's bullshit, installing Windows updates, installing the virus scanner, bugging the IT department because half of the updates didn't install and the laptop randomly restarted.

I'm honestly so glad to be out of the Windows ecosystem for good, 6 years ago I shifted to Mac for work purposes and when I started this current job I insisted on one rather than the standard Dell someone like me would get. All of the new hires are given Macs and as existing laptops died the Dells got replaced by Macs. It's completely shifted how we operate as a team because now we're script and development first rather than Excel first. I approved the budget for 23 14" M2 Pro laptops tonight, I think the team are going to be pretty jazzed tomorrow morning.

Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

Yep the 256gb m2 version is slower than the m1 version due to how the storage was changed.

SandyRentool said:

So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

I sort of like The Beautiful South, but there's a lot of musical snobbery around them - as if you've just admitted to liking Phil Collins.

Not sure why.

I've got a lot of time for Phil Collins. When I was on my walk, he donated a load of stuff for the charity to raffle. Good on him.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.

And if I remember correctly one other upgrade, I think the RAM, and you are only I think £100 off the base Macbook Pro. It genius (and a rip-off) pricing model.

FrancisUrquhart said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.

And if I remember correctly one other upgrade, I think the RAM, and you are only I think £100 off the base Macbook Pro. It genius (and a rip-off) pricing model.

Apple has figured out how to sell flash memory at a massive markup, just stick it in a fancy phone, tablet, or laptop. The $$$ will flow in.

Evening all

The Focaldata poll is nearly a week ago so ancient history. The most current poll published is Redfield & Wilton which did fieldwork on January 22nd. Focaldata was 17-18 January.

Interesting comment from @MaxPB concerning "factory gate" prices. There seems plenty of evidence inflation will slow this year - I don't like the word "fall" because it gives the impression prices are falling while the truth is they are rising more slowly but still rising - yet we don't seem to see said factory gate prices referenced or forecasted or reported anywhere.

Obviously, there will be a related hope this will mean interest rates will soon peak and may even begin to reduce. Close on that "hope" is the siren call for tax cuts but the recent public finance dat should have ended that thinking - with the huge amounts required to be paid in debt interest repayment (though that will be mitigated by a lesser rate of inflation) the priority must be to close the deficit and get the public finances back into some sort of order rather than creating a re-election boom for the Conservatives for which we will all have to pay down the line.

MaxPB said:

eek said:

MaxPB said:

eek said:

MaxPB said:

Got my Mac set up all nicely, it really is a world of difference. I think I'll budget upgrades for the whole team next FY, some of these poor sods are using i5 8GB ones with the butterfly keyboards.

In other news just seen the team note on factory gate prices falling in the UK, I think we're set for a much bigger fall in inflation than is being forecast. I also noticed the OBR has decided to ignore reality and doubled down on their already woefully incorrect economic doom forecasts as I predicted earlier this month.

Worth saying that I'm currently setting up my new Mac (a second hand 32gb MacBook Pro M1 Max 14") that I picked up for just under £1700 - yep it's a lot but way less than the new price and half the price of the M2 equivalent.

Likewise my new phone is an £800 iphone 13 max which cost £1250 new.

There are decent savings to be had if you are happy to accept slightly used.

Nah we get our stuff directly from Apple pre configured. It's just easier that way.

A sane policy for corporations not so great when you are spending post tax income

The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

In about 5 mins I had homebrew installed and then 5 mins later Git and then VS Code. Everything else like Slack and Zoom was preconfigured. With Windows I have to spend the first hour just getting rid of all of Dell's bullshit, installing Windows updates, installing the virus scanner, bugging the IT department because half of the updates didn't install and the laptop randomly restarted.

I'm honestly so glad to be out of the Windows ecosystem for good, 6 years ago I shifted to Mac for work purposes and when I started this current job I insisted on one rather than the standard Dell someone like me would get. All of the new hires are given Macs and as existing laptops died the Dells got replaced by Macs. It's completely shifted how we operate as a team because now we're script and development first rather than Excel first. I approved the budget for 23 14" M2 Pro laptops tonight, I think the team are going to be pretty jazzed tomorrow morning.

I have the new XPS 13 Plus, and while I love Macs, I don't recognize your experience*.

I got exactly the same apps up and running in no time at all. And installing Slack and Zoom took me maybe 5 minutes.

That said... the new M2 Macbook Airs are awesome looking machines, with amazing battery life.

* Maybe because we get our Dells with bare installs of just the OS

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

Dave Hemingways daughter appeared on an edition of pop master last autumn. She wasn’t very good.

JosiasJessop said:

Roger said:

SandyRentool said:

So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.

They've made themselves look effing stupid. They could have arranged all this at Ramstein a few days ago and avoided a massive dose of bad publicity.

Sure: but they did actually get there in the end. Better one sinner etc.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I was more into likes of Smashing Pumpkins at the time. Billy Corgan (very weird bloke, don't do drugs kids!) has that very distinctive flat voice and live it can sound very bad. I watched an interview with him the other day, bizarrely it totally deliberate put on, he can sing perfectly well and in-tune and does so in the interview, but decided that it wouldn't be distinctive.

Pumpkins' cover of Depeche Mode's "Never Let Me Down Again"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeK8N-9_uLo

northern_monkey said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.

My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.

iirc one of the coppers on the case remarked afterwards that aside from all that, everyone agreed he was a wonderful doctor.

northern_monkey said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.

My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.

Always willing to do home visits...

Big_G_NorthWales said:

FrankBooth said:

I don't think the issue of paying a penalty to HMRC ought to exclude someone from political office. You'll get a £100 one if you file your return one day late! When the penalties run into the millions its a different matter of course.

No 10 confirms Sunak has never paid a penalty to HMRC

Also this morning a 5 way call between Sunak, Biden, Macron, Scholz and Meloni as part of allies close coordination of support for Ukraine

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1618285498325438467?t=H3UQ8y43K-N-P7zRIqv3xQ&s=19

What about Boris?

Don't Churchillian backbenchers get invited to such events these days.

FWIW, a few years ago, the local Best Buy here in the Seattle area was offering to clean up new Windows computers for a not quite nominal fee, about $50, as I recall.

Dominic Raab is facing a much broader bullying investigation than originally anticipated with at least 24 civil servants involved in formal complaints against him, the Guardian understands.

Government insiders believe the depth of the inquiry and severity of some of the claims means the deputy prime minister will struggle to survive in post, and throws further doubt on Rishi Sunak’s judgment for having him in such a senior position.

The prime minister is already under siege on a separate front over the tax affairs of the Conservative party chair, Nadhim Zahawi, with growing pressure on him from senior Tories and the opposition to take decisive action irrespective of an ongoing inquiry.

Downing Street confirmed in December that the justice secretary was facing eight formal complaints over alleged bullying, six of them from his first stint at the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), one from when he was foreign secretary and one from when he ran the Brexit department.

However, sources said that all but two of the formal complaints involved multiple accusers with a number of his private office staff from his first stretch at the department believed to have made submissions. The total number of complainants is thought to be at least two dozen, and could be more than 30, sources claim.

The Guardian understands that Sunak personally read excerpts from a number of the written statements submitted as part of the initial tranche of complaints before ordering the investigation by Adam Tolley KC into potential breaches of the ministerial code.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/25/dominic-raab-much-broader-inquiry-civil-servants-complaints

This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.

https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

TheScreamingEagles said:

Dominic Raab is facing a much broader bullying investigation than originally anticipated with at least 24 civil servants involved in formal complaints against him, the Guardian understands.

Government insiders believe the depth of the inquiry and severity of some of the claims means the deputy prime minister will struggle to survive in post, and throws further doubt on Rishi Sunak’s judgment for having him in such a senior position.

The prime minister is already under siege on a separate front over the tax affairs of the Conservative party chair, Nadhim Zahawi, with growing pressure on him from senior Tories and the opposition to take decisive action irrespective of an ongoing inquiry.

Downing Street confirmed in December that the justice secretary was facing eight formal complaints over alleged bullying, six of them from his first stint at the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), one from when he was foreign secretary and one from when he ran the Brexit department.

However, sources said that all but two of the formal complaints involved multiple accusers with a number of his private office staff from his first stretch at the department believed to have made submissions. The total number of complainants is thought to be at least two dozen, and could be more than 30, sources claim.

The Guardian understands that Sunak personally read excerpts from a number of the written statements submitted as part of the initial tranche of complaints before ordering the investigation by Adam Tolley KC into potential breaches of the ministerial code.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/25/dominic-raab-much-broader-inquiry-civil-servants-complaints

Sunak’s issue is that after making a (necessary) song and dance about cleaning up, he appointed a number of obvious shits to key posts, to wit: Williamson, Raab, Braverman, Zahawi.

Their flaws were quite well known before Sunak re-instated them into senior office.

I know it is thought that he had to placate various factions in the party but I don’t really buy that. Sunak just has poor judgment.

TheScreamingEagles said:

This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.

https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

Who are all these people with free cash to pay for a website dedicated to talking about fans? I thought there was a cost of living crisis?

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

solarflare said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The Olympic gold medal-winning canoeist Etienne Stott was one of five climate activists who had charges against them dismissed on Tuesday after a judge agreed with their claim that the oil tanker they had occupied was not itself a vehicle....

Andersen glued herself on to a metal bar on the side of the vehicle and Curren glued herself to one of its rear wheels, while Davies managed to evade a police cordon to get beneath and glue himself to its fuel tank. The vehicle was delayed for more than four hours while specialist police teams were deployed to unstick and bring them down.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/25/olympic-gold-medal-winner-among-activists-freed-in-xr-protest-case

What is a woman vehicle.....

When is a car not a car? When it turns into a side-road.

I'll get me coat

At least you didn't say 'turns into a pedestrian.'

The reasoning strikes me as peculiar. By that logic a DMU might not be a vehicle.

I look forward to the claim by the owners of the er… vehicle that they don’t need to pay any taxes or license it. Since a judge says it is not a vehicle.

On the face of it, it seems a crazy judgment.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.

Please warn us before posting anything like that ever again.

MY EYES

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.

https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

Who are all these people with free cash to pay for a website dedicated to talking about fans? I thought there was a cost of living crisis?

People like Leon.

CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

PoodleInASlipstream said:

MaxPB said:

The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

Macbooks are viable if you don't own it and can just request a new one if it breaks. And if everything on it is backed up to the cloud. If it's a personal laptop... ugh. They're deliberately designed to fail easily, be extremely difficult to repair, and impossible to recover data from.

At least Dell build with at least one eye on durability and make some attempt to render repairs actually possible.

My MacBook Pro lasted 10 years, I only replaced it because I liked the M1

Yup, work flushed out a bunch of older laptops from some of the developers from about 8 or 9 years ago and I managed to snag a 15" 2013 Pro for a tenner. It runs better than any Windows laptop from 10 years ago and it took the update to Catalina as well so it feels modern too. It's a perfect living room laptop.

TheScreamingEagles said:

This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.

https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

Only Step-moms need apply?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 49% (=)
CON: 24% (-5)
LDM: 9% (+1)
RFM: 7% (+3)
GRN: 4% (=)
SNP: 3% (-1)

Via @focaldataHQ

, 17-18 Jan.
Changes w/ 28-30 Oct.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1618288655218638848

Broken, sleazy Tories REALLY on the slide!

Literally. Like the old joke where what you wish for is at the bottom of the slide that goes giiin, whiskeeey, weeeeee.

And itching to see Stuart pull the Scottish subsample for v that one

TheScreamingEagles said:

This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.

https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

Legs apartments.

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

@KevinASchofield: Labour now 29 POINTS ahead of the Tories (50% v 21%).

A Starmer-led Labour government also trusted more on the eco… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618355624231981058

TheScreamingEagles said:

Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.

"Now before we get up Lynn, I'm just going to warn you - I have popped out again."

DecrepiterJohnL said:

northern_monkey said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.

My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.

iirc one of the coppers on the case remarked afterwards that aside from all that, everyone agreed he was a wonderful doctor.

Richard Henriques devotes a large portion of his book on past cases to the Shipman trial, and attributes that quote to Dr John Grenville, a GP assisting the prosecuting team who had to explain the medical history of each victim to the court, who during a coffee break 'observed rather drily that when Shipman was not killling his patients, he was an extremely competent and caring doctor'.

Apparently initially there had been some intense support from some of his patients at the trial, but understandably this melted away.

While the Scottish Prison Service (directly answerable to ScotGov ministers) sends convicted male rapists to Women’s Prison:

On October 4 2022 the Justice Secretary announced plans to reform our policy on the allocation of transgender prisoners. Under the reforms, transgender women with male genitalia, or those who have been convicted of a sexual offence, should no longer be held in the general women’s estate….

As a result of the new policy, transgender women who are in future sentenced to custody and

have male genitalia
OR

who have been convicted of sexual offences
will not serve their sentences in the general women’s estate unless there are exceptional circumstances.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-changes-to-transgender-prisoner-policy-framework

Flatlander said:

In totally off topic but still on the geeky side of news, Comet C/2022 E3 is now visible in binoculars, even from a light polluted area in the Flatlands.

Very faint, mind. Might be better later in the night when it gets higher in the sky. It is currently too dim to show any green.

Mrs Flatlander was not terribly impressed.

Hoping it gets much brighter in a week or so, but no doubt we'll be clouded out...

Waiting for the moon to set in half an hour before heading out. Should be a bit darker then.

Foxy said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

@KevinASchofield: Labour now 29 POINTS ahead of the Tories (50% v 21%).

A Starmer-led Labour government also trusted more on the eco… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618355624231981058

Does anyone else feel a twinge of schadenfreude when Matthew Goodwin (Professor People Polling) and GB News have to report these figures every week?

They do seem to be consistently the most Labour-phile of pollsters.

I think it’s inexperience possibly coupled with a bias to politically engaged voters. They constantly give much higher numbers to Refuk than others. Which I suppose fits with Goodwin’s ideology.

More disillusioned Tories saying Ref rather than don’t know would tend to reduce the swing back effect.

boulay said:

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.

EPG said:

boulay said:

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.

I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.

EPG said:

boulay said:

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.

"Emo" is the worst insult my kids can throw at someone.

"You're so emo"

I don't get it, personally.

Pro_Rata said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 49% (=)
CON: 24% (-5)
LDM: 9% (+1)
RFM: 7% (+3)
GRN: 4% (=)
SNP: 3% (-1)

Via @focaldataHQ

, 17-18 Jan.
Changes w/ 28-30 Oct.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1618288655218638848

Broken, sleazy Tories REALLY on the slide!

Literally. Like the old joke where what you wish for is at the bottom of the slide that goes giiin, whiskeeey, weeeeee.

And itching to see Stuart pull the Scottish subsample for v that one

They are not *literally* 'on the slide'. They are still figuratively on the slide. Just more so.

FrancisUrquhart said:

EPG said:

boulay said:

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.

I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.

I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.

MoonRabbit said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

FrankBooth said:

I don't think the issue of paying a penalty to HMRC ought to exclude someone from political office. You'll get a £100 one if you file your return one day late! When the penalties run into the millions its a different matter of course.

No 10 confirms Sunak has never paid a penalty to HMRC

Also this morning a 5 way call between Sunak, Biden, Macron, Scholz and Meloni as part of allies close coordination of support for Ukraine

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1618285498325438467?t=H3UQ8y43K-N-P7zRIqv3xQ&s=19

What about Boris?

Don't Churchillian backbenchers get invited to such events these days.

Will Meloni send her roller skates or not?

Only on a Ruby Tuesday.

EPG said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

EPG said:

boulay said:

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.

I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.

I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.

It’s now a terrifying 30 years since “Dookie” was recorded (though not quite since it was released).

Listening to it again, it remains good pop-punk but neither revolutionary in itself (as original punk was) nor rich enough to warrant deep immersion.

Nearly ten years later, something similar was achieved by “Is This It?” by the Strokes.

CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

@MoonRabbit can explain why a 29 point lead - with 30 point incoming still - is actually showing the polls narrowing

An MRP - MoonRabbit Poll

EPG said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

EPG said:

boulay said:

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.

I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.

I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.

I like Paramore.

Lest we forget:

Prime Minister: this is not sustainable and it will only get worse: for you, for the Conservative Party and most importantly of all the country. You must do the right thing and go now.

https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1544950219657330688?s=20&t=WYAPN_53l-Ozs7yxJvYLLw

CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

Heh, remember when I said 30 point lead incoming?

you get excited over a people polling poll? They introduced double digit leads when everyone else had single digits. The people polling poll actually don’t have Tories dropping at all since their last poll. They do have Labour getting +5 bounce.

Gardenwalker said:

EPG said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

EPG said:

boulay said:

northern_monkey said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.

My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…

“Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.

I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.

I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.

It’s now a terrifying 30 years since “Dookie” was recorded (though not quite since it was released).

Listening to it again, it remains good pop-punk but neither revolutionary in itself (as original punk was) nor rich enough to warrant deep immersion.

Nearly ten years later, something similar was achieved by “Is This It?” by the Strokes.

The band with Albert Hammond's kid. Not to be confused with Muse's Matt Bellamy, whose dad recorded "Telstar".

EPG said:

Other trajectories: the guitar band people who went from Radiohead en masse to Muse if they liked noodling on instruments themselves, and the ones who just listened went to those 2000s guitar bands from the magazines, even the dull ones you've forgotten like Jet. The hard kids who were into happy hardcore (not sure about this; annoying aggressive 90s dance music, not trance) switched to Eminem and forced his various LPs and "2001" onto the rest of us. Everyone was either openly or secretly paying attention to Britney Spears releases.

You should do a thread header on this. The evolution of these tribes is worth subjecting to Bordieu-style class analysis too.

Personally I was into guitar bands at the time, including Radiohead, but I always thought Muse were just tosh. That whole “progressive” turn is unlistenable, actually worse than the original much-derided progressive rock.