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  • EPG said:

    Agree that Starmer dodges issues, but not surprised that the modal person doesn't know what an opposition politician is doing, based on the equivalent poll for Sunak that also has a big lead for "Nothing / DK", well ahead of compulsory maths in #2.

    Terrible for Sunak. After 13 years people should have more to say about the Tories and their "achievements"
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Got my Mac set up all nicely, it really is a world of difference. I think I'll budget upgrades for the whole team next FY, some of these poor sods are using i5 8GB ones with the butterfly keyboards.

    In other news just seen the team note on factory gate prices falling in the UK, I think we're set for a much bigger fall in inflation than is being forecast. I also noticed the OBR has decided to ignore reality and doubled down on their already woefully incorrect economic doom forecasts as I predicted earlier this month.

    Worth saying that I'm currently setting up my new Mac (a second hand 32gb MacBook Pro M1 Max 14") that I picked up for just under £1700 - yep it's a lot but way less than the new price and half the price of the M2 equivalent.

    Likewise my new phone is an £800 iphone 13 max which cost £1250 new.

    There are decent savings to be had if you are happy to accept slightly used.
    Nah we get our stuff directly from Apple pre configured. It's just easier that way.
    A sane policy for corporations not so great when you are spending post tax income
    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    In about 5 mins I had homebrew installed and then 5 mins later Git and then VS Code. Everything else like Slack and Zoom was preconfigured. With Windows I have to spend the first hour just getting rid of all of Dell's bullshit, installing Windows updates, installing the virus scanner, bugging the IT department because half of the updates didn't install and the laptop randomly restarted.

    I'm honestly so glad to be out of the Windows ecosystem for good, 6 years ago I shifted to Mac for work purposes and when I started this current job I insisted on one rather than the standard Dell someone like me would get. All of the new hires are given Macs and as existing laptops died the Dells got replaced by Macs. It's completely shifted how we operate as a team because now we're script and development first rather than Excel first. I approved the budget for 23 14" M2 Pro laptops tonight, I think the team are going to be pretty jazzed tomorrow morning.
    Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.
    Yep the 256gb m2 version is slower than the m1 version due to how the storage was changed.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    You have to give them some credit for trying to market life insurance in a way that isn't just the bog-standard two old folk having a totally "natural" conversation about how everything gets paid for when they pop their clogs.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

    Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    Roger said:

    So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

    Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.
    They've made themselves look effing stupid. They could have arranged all this at Ramstein a few days ago and avoided a massive dose of bad publicity.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    I sort of like The Beautiful South, but there's a lot of musical snobbery around them - as if you've just admitted to liking Phil Collins.

    Not sure why.
    I've got a lot of time for Phil Collins. When I was on my walk, he donated a load of stuff for the charity to raffle. Good on him.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    I sort of like The Beautiful South, but there's a lot of musical snobbery around them - as if you've just admitted to liking Phil Collins.

    Not sure why.
    Collins was a massively successful recording artist who made a lot of money, which inevitably leads to music critic nerds sneering or ignoring the issue entirely, because they tend to be lefty journos and thus fetishise misery. See also Paul McCartney. Collins did not help his case by thinking critics mattered and responding in kind to them, feeding the beast. Of course musicians and producers, who care about the music, rate these guys very highly.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906

    Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

    Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.
  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 49% (=)
    CON: 24% (-5)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 7% (+3)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    Via @focaldataHQ

    , 17-18 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Oct.


    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1618288655218638848

    Broken, sleazy Tories REALLY on the slide! :lol:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658
    Roger said:

    So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

    Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.
    Not only that, they have persuaded the Yanks to send tanks too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,019
    edited January 2023
    glw said:

    Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

    Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.
    And if I remember correctly one other upgrade, I think the RAM, and you are only I think £100 off the base Macbook Pro. It genius (and a rip-off) pricing model.
  • Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906

    glw said:

    Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

    Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.
    And if I remember correctly one other upgrade, I think the RAM, and you are only I think £100 off the base Macbook Pro. It genius (and a rip-off) pricing model.
    Apple has figured out how to sell flash memory at a massive markup, just stick it in a fancy phone, tablet, or laptop. The $$$ will flow in.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I was more into likes of Smashing Pumpkins at the time. Billy Corgan (very weird bloke, don't do drugs kids!) has that very distinctive flat voice and live it can sound very bad. I watched an interview with him the other day, bizarrely it totally deliberate put on, he can sing perfectly well and in-tune and does so in the interview, but decided that it wouldn't be distinctive.
    I may be seeing them (and The National) at Bottlerock in May.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,875
    Evening all :)

    The Focaldata poll is nearly a week ago so ancient history. The most current poll published is Redfield & Wilton which did fieldwork on January 22nd. Focaldata was 17-18 January.

    Interesting comment from @MaxPB concerning "factory gate" prices. There seems plenty of evidence inflation will slow this year - I don't like the word "fall" because it gives the impression prices are falling while the truth is they are rising more slowly but still rising - yet we don't seem to see said factory gate prices referenced or forecasted or reported anywhere.

    Obviously, there will be a related hope this will mean interest rates will soon peak and may even begin to reduce. Close on that "hope" is the siren call for tax cuts but the recent public finance dat should have ended that thinking - with the huge amounts required to be paid in debt interest repayment (though that will be mitigated by a lesser rate of inflation) the priority must be to close the deficit and get the public finances back into some sort of order rather than creating a re-election boom for the Conservatives for which we will all have to pay down the line.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592

    @MoonRabbit I am good thanks.

    Went for a 2 minute run today without pain and am having more physio so let's hope I am on the up from here. Not being able to run is very frustrating

    I didn't do a marathon this week due to the frost and ice. And I hurt my left knee slipping on a patch of ice when dropping my son off at school. Darned it. Hopefully I'll be okay for Friday or Saturday.

    Hope you recover fully soon, but don't push yourself too early.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Got my Mac set up all nicely, it really is a world of difference. I think I'll budget upgrades for the whole team next FY, some of these poor sods are using i5 8GB ones with the butterfly keyboards.

    In other news just seen the team note on factory gate prices falling in the UK, I think we're set for a much bigger fall in inflation than is being forecast. I also noticed the OBR has decided to ignore reality and doubled down on their already woefully incorrect economic doom forecasts as I predicted earlier this month.

    Worth saying that I'm currently setting up my new Mac (a second hand 32gb MacBook Pro M1 Max 14") that I picked up for just under £1700 - yep it's a lot but way less than the new price and half the price of the M2 equivalent.

    Likewise my new phone is an £800 iphone 13 max which cost £1250 new.

    There are decent savings to be had if you are happy to accept slightly used.
    Nah we get our stuff directly from Apple pre configured. It's just easier that way.
    A sane policy for corporations not so great when you are spending post tax income
    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    In about 5 mins I had homebrew installed and then 5 mins later Git and then VS Code. Everything else like Slack and Zoom was preconfigured. With Windows I have to spend the first hour just getting rid of all of Dell's bullshit, installing Windows updates, installing the virus scanner, bugging the IT department because half of the updates didn't install and the laptop randomly restarted.

    I'm honestly so glad to be out of the Windows ecosystem for good, 6 years ago I shifted to Mac for work purposes and when I started this current job I insisted on one rather than the standard Dell someone like me would get. All of the new hires are given Macs and as existing laptops died the Dells got replaced by Macs. It's completely shifted how we operate as a team because now we're script and development first rather than Excel first. I approved the budget for 23 14" M2 Pro laptops tonight, I think the team are going to be pretty jazzed tomorrow morning.
    I have the new XPS 13 Plus, and while I love Macs, I don't recognize your experience*.

    I got exactly the same apps up and running in no time at all. And installing Slack and Zoom took me maybe 5 minutes.

    That said... the new M2 Macbook Airs are awesome looking machines, with amazing battery life.

    * Maybe because we get our Dells with bare installs of just the OS
  • @MoonRabbit I am good thanks.

    Went for a 2 minute run today without pain and am having more physio so let's hope I am on the up from here. Not being able to run is very frustrating

    I didn't do a marathon this week due to the frost and ice. And I hurt my left knee slipping on a patch of ice when dropping my son off at school. Darned it. Hopefully I'll be okay for Friday or Saturday.

    Hope you recover fully soon, but don't push yourself too early.
    I find it really difficult to run slowly, which is probably what I need to do. Any ideas on that?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    Dave Hemingways daughter appeared on an edition of pop master last autumn. She wasn’t very good.
  • Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I was more into likes of Smashing Pumpkins at the time. Billy Corgan (very weird bloke, don't do drugs kids!) has that very distinctive flat voice and live it can sound very bad. I watched an interview with him the other day, bizarrely it totally deliberate put on, he can sing perfectly well and in-tune and does so in the interview, but decided that it wouldn't be distinctive.
    Siamese Dream, what an album. Still holds up. Lost me a bit with Mellon Collie, though there’s great stuff on there too. Lost interest totally after that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    Roger said:

    So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

    Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.
    They've made themselves look effing stupid. They could have arranged all this at Ramstein a few days ago and avoided a massive dose of bad publicity.
    Sure: but they did actually get there in the end. Better one sinner etc.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    glw said:

    Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

    Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.
    Surely you can just open it up and pop a new M2 SSD in?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,823
    edited January 2023

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I was more into likes of Smashing Pumpkins at the time. Billy Corgan (very weird bloke, don't do drugs kids!) has that very distinctive flat voice and live it can sound very bad. I watched an interview with him the other day, bizarrely it totally deliberate put on, he can sing perfectly well and in-tune and does so in the interview, but decided that it wouldn't be distinctive.
    Pumpkins' cover of Depeche Mode's "Never Let Me Down Again"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeK8N-9_uLo
  • Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.
  • Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.
    iirc one of the coppers on the case remarked afterwards that aside from all that, everyone agreed he was a wonderful doctor.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592

    @MoonRabbit I am good thanks.

    Went for a 2 minute run today without pain and am having more physio so let's hope I am on the up from here. Not being able to run is very frustrating

    I didn't do a marathon this week due to the frost and ice. And I hurt my left knee slipping on a patch of ice when dropping my son off at school. Darned it. Hopefully I'll be okay for Friday or Saturday.

    Hope you recover fully soon, but don't push yourself too early.
    I find it really difficult to run slowly, which is probably what I need to do. Any ideas on that?
    Yeah, be unfit like me. ;)

    I've got an 'advantage' in running slowly; I'm a naturally slow runner. I've a long body and relatively short legs, so I've got a relatively short stride length. Aside from that, I don't think I can help much on that...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.
    Always willing to do home visits...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,790
    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Got my Mac set up all nicely, it really is a world of difference. I think I'll budget upgrades for the whole team next FY, some of these poor sods are using i5 8GB ones with the butterfly keyboards.

    In other news just seen the team note on factory gate prices falling in the UK, I think we're set for a much bigger fall in inflation than is being forecast. I also noticed the OBR has decided to ignore reality and doubled down on their already woefully incorrect economic doom forecasts as I predicted earlier this month.

    Worth saying that I'm currently setting up my new Mac (a second hand 32gb MacBook Pro M1 Max 14") that I picked up for just under £1700 - yep it's a lot but way less than the new price and half the price of the M2 equivalent.

    Likewise my new phone is an £800 iphone 13 max which cost £1250 new.

    There are decent savings to be had if you are happy to accept slightly used.
    Nah we get our stuff directly from Apple pre configured. It's just easier that way.
    A sane policy for corporations not so great when you are spending post tax income
    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    In about 5 mins I had homebrew installed and then 5 mins later Git and then VS Code. Everything else like Slack and Zoom was preconfigured. With Windows I have to spend the first hour just getting rid of all of Dell's bullshit, installing Windows updates, installing the virus scanner, bugging the IT department because half of the updates didn't install and the laptop randomly restarted.

    I'm honestly so glad to be out of the Windows ecosystem for good, 6 years ago I shifted to Mac for work purposes and when I started this current job I insisted on one rather than the standard Dell someone like me would get. All of the new hires are given Macs and as existing laptops died the Dells got replaced by Macs. It's completely shifted how we operate as a team because now we're script and development first rather than Excel first. I approved the budget for 23 14" M2 Pro laptops tonight, I think the team are going to be pretty jazzed tomorrow morning.
    Depending on the size of your team/org - it might be worth investigating https://www.jamf.com/ - very handy. Add a new device and just have all your base/default stuff streamed onto the thing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    I don't think the issue of paying a penalty to HMRC ought to exclude someone from political office. You'll get a £100 one if you file your return one day late! When the penalties run into the millions its a different matter of course.

    No 10 confirms Sunak has never paid a penalty to HMRC

    Also this morning a 5 way call between Sunak, Biden, Macron, Scholz and Meloni as part of allies close coordination of support for Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1618285498325438467?t=H3UQ8y43K-N-P7zRIqv3xQ&s=19
    What about Boris?

    Don't Churchillian backbenchers get invited to such events these days.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.
    iirc one of the coppers on the case remarked afterwards that aside from all that, everyone agreed he was a wonderful doctor.
    Well, leaving that aside, how did you enjoy the play Mrs Lincoln?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    edited January 2023
    FWIW, a few years ago, the local Best Buy here in the Seattle area was offering to clean up new Windows computers for a not quite nominal fee, about $50, as I recall.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,419
    edited January 2023
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

    Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.
    Not only that, they have persuaded the Yanks to send tanks too.
    Yes, while he may have seemed overcautious from our point of view, Scholz is getting a lot of praise domestically for taking his time over what is quite a momentous decision for the Germans. Ensuring that the Americans are also fully on board was viewed as essential by many Germans and is a real feather in his cap.
  • Dominic Raab is facing a much broader bullying investigation than originally anticipated with at least 24 civil servants involved in formal complaints against him, the Guardian understands.

    Government insiders believe the depth of the inquiry and severity of some of the claims means the deputy prime minister will struggle to survive in post, and throws further doubt on Rishi Sunak’s judgment for having him in such a senior position.

    The prime minister is already under siege on a separate front over the tax affairs of the Conservative party chair, Nadhim Zahawi, with growing pressure on him from senior Tories and the opposition to take decisive action irrespective of an ongoing inquiry.

    Downing Street confirmed in December that the justice secretary was facing eight formal complaints over alleged bullying, six of them from his first stint at the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), one from when he was foreign secretary and one from when he ran the Brexit department.

    However, sources said that all but two of the formal complaints involved multiple accusers with a number of his private office staff from his first stretch at the department believed to have made submissions. The total number of complainants is thought to be at least two dozen, and could be more than 30, sources claim.

    The Guardian understands that Sunak personally read excerpts from a number of the written statements submitted as part of the initial tranche of complaints before ordering the investigation by Adam Tolley KC into potential breaches of the ministerial code.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/25/dominic-raab-much-broader-inquiry-civil-servants-complaints
  • MaxPB said:

    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    Macbooks are viable if you don't own it and can just request a new one if it breaks. And if everything on it is backed up to the cloud. If it's a personal laptop... ugh. They're deliberately designed to fail easily, be extremely difficult to repair, and impossible to recover data from.

    At least Dell build with at least one eye on durability and make some attempt to render repairs actually possible.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    rcs1000 said:

    glw said:

    Not the base model M2 Air though....that has the neutered M.2 hard drive....have to get the one with at least the 512GB drive.

    Which bumps the price up by £200 for roughly £25 worth of storage. I was checking out some pricing on a Mac and realised that Apple charges more for storage than buying a proper enterprise SSD. It's an absolute rip-off, and a large part of the reason why Apple makes a lot of profit, as they sting you for any upgrade.
    Surely you can just open it up and pop a new M2 SSD in?
    No the NAND is attached to the SoC, as the NVMe controller is in the SoC. Even in the Mac Studio which has removable storage modules they are effectively paired with the SoC in the factory, and the modules only contain a simple bridge. As to booting from an NVMe drive in a Thunderbolt enclosure I'm not sure that is possible, and even if it is it doesn't really work with the way Apple implement the inline crypto accelerators for storage.

    Basically if you are buying a Mac you have to pay Apple's price for NAND, even if that NAND is simply Toshiba/Kioxia 3D-TLC you can find in far cheaper hardware.
  • MaxPB said:

    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    Macbooks are viable if you don't own it and can just request a new one if it breaks. And if everything on it is backed up to the cloud. If it's a personal laptop... ugh. They're deliberately designed to fail easily, be extremely difficult to repair, and impossible to recover data from.

    At least Dell build with at least one eye on durability and make some attempt to render repairs actually possible.
    My MacBook Pro lasted 10 years, I only replaced it because I liked the M1
  • This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

    OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

    Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.


    https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited January 2023

    Dominic Raab is facing a much broader bullying investigation than originally anticipated with at least 24 civil servants involved in formal complaints against him, the Guardian understands.

    Government insiders believe the depth of the inquiry and severity of some of the claims means the deputy prime minister will struggle to survive in post, and throws further doubt on Rishi Sunak’s judgment for having him in such a senior position.

    The prime minister is already under siege on a separate front over the tax affairs of the Conservative party chair, Nadhim Zahawi, with growing pressure on him from senior Tories and the opposition to take decisive action irrespective of an ongoing inquiry.

    Downing Street confirmed in December that the justice secretary was facing eight formal complaints over alleged bullying, six of them from his first stint at the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), one from when he was foreign secretary and one from when he ran the Brexit department.

    However, sources said that all but two of the formal complaints involved multiple accusers with a number of his private office staff from his first stretch at the department believed to have made submissions. The total number of complainants is thought to be at least two dozen, and could be more than 30, sources claim.

    The Guardian understands that Sunak personally read excerpts from a number of the written statements submitted as part of the initial tranche of complaints before ordering the investigation by Adam Tolley KC into potential breaches of the ministerial code.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/25/dominic-raab-much-broader-inquiry-civil-servants-complaints

    Sunak’s issue is that after making a (necessary) song and dance about cleaning up, he appointed a number of obvious shits to key posts, to wit: Williamson, Raab, Braverman, Zahawi.

    Their flaws were quite well known before Sunak re-instated them into senior office.

    I know it is thought that he had to placate various factions in the party but I don’t really buy that. Sunak just has poor judgment.
  • Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,019
    edited January 2023

    This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

    OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

    Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.


    https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

    Who are all these people with free cash to pay for a website dedicated to talking about fans? I thought there was a cost of living crisis?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,269
    ydoethur said:

    The Olympic gold medal-winning canoeist Etienne Stott was one of five climate activists who had charges against them dismissed on Tuesday after a judge agreed with their claim that the oil tanker they had occupied was not itself a vehicle....

    Andersen glued herself on to a metal bar on the side of the vehicle and Curren glued herself to one of its rear wheels, while Davies managed to evade a police cordon to get beneath and glue himself to its fuel tank. The vehicle was delayed for more than four hours while specialist police teams were deployed to unstick and bring them down.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/25/olympic-gold-medal-winner-among-activists-freed-in-xr-protest-case

    What is a woman vehicle.....

    When is a car not a car? When it turns into a side-road.

    I'll get me coat
    At least you didn't say 'turns into a pedestrian.'

    The reasoning strikes me as peculiar. By that logic a DMU might not be a vehicle.
    I look forward to the claim by the owners of the er… vehicle that they don’t need to pay any taxes or license it. Since a judge says it is not a vehicle.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,019
    edited January 2023

    ydoethur said:

    The Olympic gold medal-winning canoeist Etienne Stott was one of five climate activists who had charges against them dismissed on Tuesday after a judge agreed with their claim that the oil tanker they had occupied was not itself a vehicle....

    Andersen glued herself on to a metal bar on the side of the vehicle and Curren glued herself to one of its rear wheels, while Davies managed to evade a police cordon to get beneath and glue himself to its fuel tank. The vehicle was delayed for more than four hours while specialist police teams were deployed to unstick and bring them down.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/25/olympic-gold-medal-winner-among-activists-freed-in-xr-protest-case

    What is a woman vehicle.....

    When is a car not a car? When it turns into a side-road.

    I'll get me coat
    At least you didn't say 'turns into a pedestrian.'

    The reasoning strikes me as peculiar. By that logic a DMU might not be a vehicle.
    I look forward to the claim by the owners of the er… vehicle that they don’t need to pay any taxes or license it. Since a judge says it is not a vehicle.
    On the face of it, it seems a crazy judgment.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945

    MaxPB said:

    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    Macbooks are viable if you don't own it and can just request a new one if it breaks. And if everything on it is backed up to the cloud. If it's a personal laptop... ugh. They're deliberately designed to fail easily, be extremely difficult to repair, and impossible to recover data from.

    At least Dell build with at least one eye on durability and make some attempt to render repairs actually possible.
    Yep.

    My MacBook Pro lasted 10 years, I only replaced it because I liked the M1
    I replaced my 2012 Macbook Air with an M1 Pro last year. The 2012 Air is still ticking along, having had one battery change in its life. While it's a bit slow for some of the photo / video editing stuff I do and the screen is crap by 2023 standards, it's still a perfectly serviceable, functional laptop.

    Try finding a windows laptop from 2012 that's still usable (some Thinkpads... maybe).
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.


    Please warn us before posting anything like that ever again.

    MY EYES
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I seem to recall that only a very small fraction of OnlyFans “stars” make anything approaching the money necessary to make a career of it, let alone “£100k a month”.

    If Ms Goodwin is one such, good luck to her, but suspect the story is load of cock.
  • This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

    OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

    Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.


    https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

    Who are all these people with free cash to pay for a website dedicated to talking about fans? I thought there was a cost of living crisis?
    People like Leon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,019
    edited January 2023

    I seem to recall that only a very small fraction of OnlyFans “stars” make anything approaching the money necessary to make a career of it, let alone “£100k a month”.

    If Ms Goodwin is one such, good luck to her, but suspect the story is load of cock.

    Its like a lot of new "media", twitch, TikTok, etc.....there is a lot of winner take all about it. The vast bulk aren't earning much, a small percentage are earning footballer money.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    MaxPB said:

    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    Macbooks are viable if you don't own it and can just request a new one if it breaks. And if everything on it is backed up to the cloud. If it's a personal laptop... ugh. They're deliberately designed to fail easily, be extremely difficult to repair, and impossible to recover data from.

    At least Dell build with at least one eye on durability and make some attempt to render repairs actually possible.
    My MacBook Pro lasted 10 years, I only replaced it because I liked the M1
    Yup, work flushed out a bunch of older laptops from some of the developers from about 8 or 9 years ago and I managed to snag a 15" 2013 Pro for a tenner. It runs better than any Windows laptop from 10 years ago and it took the update to Catalina as well so it feels modern too. It's a perfect living room laptop.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,419
    edited January 2023

    MaxPB said:

    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    Macbooks are viable if you don't own it and can just request a new one if it breaks. And if everything on it is backed up to the cloud. If it's a personal laptop... ugh. They're deliberately designed to fail easily, be extremely difficult to repair, and impossible to recover data from.

    At least Dell build with at least one eye on durability and make some attempt to render repairs actually possible.
    I am just very glad that I don't have to bother with a laptop for anything any more. These days I barely have to budge from my nice, powerful, infinitely upgradeable homebuild with a proper keyboard and mouse and lots of monitors, bootable to Windows and Linux (but mostly Linux).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

    OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

    Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.


    https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

    Only Step-moms need apply?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 49% (=)
    CON: 24% (-5)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 7% (+3)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    Via @focaldataHQ

    , 17-18 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Oct.


    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1618288655218638848

    Broken, sleazy Tories REALLY on the slide! :lol:
    Literally. Like the old joke where what you wish for is at the bottom of the slide that goes giiin, whiskeeey, weeeeee.

    And itching to see Stuart pull the Scottish subsample for v that one :)
  • I don't think the issue of paying a penalty to HMRC ought to exclude someone from political office. You'll get a £100 one if you file your return one day late! When the penalties run into the millions its a different matter of course.

    No 10 confirms Sunak has never paid a penalty to HMRC

    Also this morning a 5 way call between Sunak, Biden, Macron, Scholz and Meloni as part of allies close coordination of support for Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1618285498325438467?t=H3UQ8y43K-N-P7zRIqv3xQ&s=19
    What about Boris?

    Don't Churchillian backbenchers get invited to such events these days.
    Who !!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.


    There is so much in that photo that is disturbing, but my eyes are drawn to what appears to the squirrel imprisoned in a jam jar on his right shoulder. While I dislike the bushy tailed tree rats as much as anyone, it does seem rather cruel.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    This seems like a great way to solve the housing crisis.

    OnlyFans star promises to buy houses to help low-income families with affordable rent

    Rebecca Goodwin says she makes £100k a month from OnlyFans - but now she's creating a 'side hustle' to help families and provide a future for her own children.


    https://themanc.com/trending/onlyfans-star-promises-to-buy-houses-to-help-low-income-families-with-affordable-rent/

    Legs apartments.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    My friend's 4-year-old has been learning Spanish all year but still can't say the word 'please'.

    Which I think is poor for four.

    La broma más peor del noche....
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    I have only one note, otherwise perfect.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    @KevinASchofield: Labour now 29 POINTS ahead of the Tories (50% v 21%).

    A Starmer-led Labour government also trusted more on the eco… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618355624231981058
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    I have only one note, otherwise perfect.

    Roger said:

    So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

    Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.
    They've made themselves look effing stupid. They could have arranged all this at Ramstein a few days ago and avoided a massive dose of bad publicity.
    It's an odd move. I don't buy the admirable caution angle, since it was a matter of days - are we expected to believe there had not been lots of talking before the 'big day', or that there has been significant movement since then? It's hard to buy that much has changed, in which case they've done a good thing and just had some unnecessary bad press beforehand.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945

    Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.


    "Now before we get up Lynn, I'm just going to warn you - I have popped out again."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,269
    kle4 said:

    Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    I have only one note, otherwise perfect.

    Roger said:

    So when it comes to Leopards, it seems that Germany can change its spots.

    Germany have come very well out of this. They are producing a weapon that the world demonstrably rates very highly as you would expect of German technology and by pausing for thought they showed an admirable caution.
    They've made themselves look effing stupid. They could have arranged all this at Ramstein a few days ago and avoided a massive dose of bad publicity.
    It's an odd move. I don't buy the admirable caution angle, since it was a matter of days - are we expected to believe there had not been lots of talking before the 'big day', or that there has been significant movement since then? It's hard to buy that much has changed, in which case they've done a good thing and just had some unnecessary bad press beforehand.
    Someone commented that the Germans would say yes, but only after they had extracted the maximum amount of negative publicity. Just like previous increments in the delivery of weapons.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited January 2023

    Forgot to mention this, but I've left the world of banking and joined the marketing department of the insurance company Dead Happy.


    My Grandma worked with him when he was at Pontefract Hospital. Lovely bloke, apparently.
    iirc one of the coppers on the case remarked afterwards that aside from all that, everyone agreed he was a wonderful doctor.
    Richard Henriques devotes a large portion of his book on past cases to the Shipman trial, and attributes that quote to Dr John Grenville, a GP assisting the prosecuting team who had to explain the medical history of each victim to the court, who during a coffee break 'observed rather drily that when Shipman was not killling his patients, he was an extremely competent and caring doctor'.

    Apparently initially there had been some intense support from some of his patients at the trial, but understandably this melted away.
  • kyf_100 said:

    Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.


    "Now before we get up Lynn, I'm just going to warn you - I have popped out again."
    People did try and tell Farage it would be better staying in, but he wouldn't listen.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited January 2023
    While the Scottish Prison Service (directly answerable to ScotGov ministers) sends convicted male rapists to Women’s Prison:

    On October 4 2022 the Justice Secretary announced plans to reform our policy on the allocation of transgender prisoners. Under the reforms, transgender women with male genitalia, or those who have been convicted of a sexual offence, should no longer be held in the general women’s estate….

    As a result of the new policy, transgender women who are in future sentenced to custody and

    have male genitalia
    OR

    who have been convicted of sexual offences
    will not serve their sentences in the general women’s estate unless there are exceptional circumstances.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-changes-to-transgender-prisoner-policy-framework
  • Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield: Labour now 29 POINTS ahead of the Tories (50% v 21%).

    A Starmer-led Labour government also trusted more on the eco… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618355624231981058

    Does anyone else feel a twinge of schadenfreude when Matthew Goodwin (Professor People Polling) and GB News have to report these figures every week?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362

    In totally off topic but still on the geeky side of news, Comet C/2022 E3 is now visible in binoculars, even from a light polluted area in the Flatlands.

    Very faint, mind. Might be better later in the night when it gets higher in the sky. It is currently too dim to show any green.

    Mrs Flatlander was not terribly impressed.

    Hoping it gets much brighter in a week or so, but no doubt we'll be clouded out...

    Waiting for the moon to set in half an hour before heading out. Should be a bit darker then.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield: Labour now 29 POINTS ahead of the Tories (50% v 21%).

    A Starmer-led Labour government also trusted more on the eco… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618355624231981058

    Does anyone else feel a twinge of schadenfreude when Matthew Goodwin (Professor People Polling) and GB News have to report these figures every week?
    They do seem to be consistently the most Labour-phile of pollsters.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield: Labour now 29 POINTS ahead of the Tories (50% v 21%).

    A Starmer-led Labour government also trusted more on the eco… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618355624231981058

    Does anyone else feel a twinge of schadenfreude when Matthew Goodwin (Professor People Polling) and GB News have to report these figures every week?
    They do seem to be consistently the most Labour-phile of pollsters.
    I think it’s inexperience possibly coupled with a bias to politically engaged voters. They constantly give much higher numbers to Refuk than others. Which I suppose fits with Goodwin’s ideology.

    More disillusioned Tories saying Ref rather than don’t know would tend to reduce the swing back effect.
  • While the Scottish Prison Service (directly answerable to ScotGov ministers) sends convicted male rapists to Women’s Prison:

    On October 4 2022 the Justice Secretary announced plans to reform our policy on the allocation of transgender prisoners. Under the reforms, transgender women with male genitalia, or those who have been convicted of a sexual offence, should no longer be held in the general women’s estate….

    As a result of the new policy, transgender women who are in future sentenced to custody and

    have male genitalia
    OR

    who have been convicted of sexual offences
    will not serve their sentences in the general women’s estate unless there are exceptional circumstances.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-changes-to-transgender-prisoner-policy-framework

    Those who are sexually male who commit crimes should serve their time in a male prison.

    If they feel that is unsafe for them, then they should be offered protective solitary custody. If an individuals safety is a concern, then you safeguard the individual, you don't jeopardise the safeguarding of the entire female population.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    edited January 2023
    That will do. 0-3. Tie over

    Rashford’s goal was absolutely stunning btw.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,019
    edited January 2023
    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

    As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    I don't think the issue of paying a penalty to HMRC ought to exclude someone from political office. You'll get a £100 one if you file your return one day late! When the penalties run into the millions its a different matter of course.

    No 10 confirms Sunak has never paid a penalty to HMRC

    Also this morning a 5 way call between Sunak, Biden, Macron, Scholz and Meloni as part of allies close coordination of support for Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1618285498325438467?t=H3UQ8y43K-N-P7zRIqv3xQ&s=19
    What about Boris?

    Don't Churchillian backbenchers get invited to such events these days.
    Will Meloni send her roller skates or not?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    "Emo" is the worst insult my kids can throw at someone.

    "You're so emo"

    I don't get it, personally.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,459
    My 2013 MacBook Pro is still going strong
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,435
    Pro_Rata said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 49% (=)
    CON: 24% (-5)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 7% (+3)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    Via @focaldataHQ

    , 17-18 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Oct.


    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1618288655218638848

    Broken, sleazy Tories REALLY on the slide! :lol:
    Literally. Like the old joke where what you wish for is at the bottom of the slide that goes giiin, whiskeeey, weeeeee.

    And itching to see Stuart pull the Scottish subsample for v that one :)
    They are not *literally* 'on the slide'. They are still figuratively on the slide. Just more so.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited January 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    "Emo" is the worst insult my kids can throw at someone.

    "You're so emo"

    I don't get it, personally.
    Is it because all of those emo bands are total, total shite? Nobody who actually enjoys music listens to “My Chemical Romance”, it’s just a phase kids go through (or went through).

    Whereas (to brown-nose) that’s not true of Radiohead, or indeed, the National. Neither are my favourite bands, but the music has sophistication, colour and longevity.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

    As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.
    I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.
  • CorrectHorseBattery3CorrectHorseBattery3 Posts: 2,757
    edited January 2023
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    The M2 Air is incredible value IMO, anyone looking for a business laptop for themselves shouldn't bother with anything else and no messing about with Windows either which is a huge bonus.

    Macbooks are viable if you don't own it and can just request a new one if it breaks. And if everything on it is backed up to the cloud. If it's a personal laptop... ugh. They're deliberately designed to fail easily, be extremely difficult to repair, and impossible to recover data from.

    At least Dell build with at least one eye on durability and make some attempt to render repairs actually possible.
    My MacBook Pro lasted 10 years, I only replaced it because I liked the M1
    Yup, work flushed out a bunch of older laptops from some of the developers from about 8 or 9 years ago and I managed to snag a 15" 2013 Pro for a tenner. It runs better than any Windows laptop from 10 years ago and it took the update to Catalina as well so it feels modern too. It's a perfect living room laptop.
    You can get a later version on it if you fancy doing a bit of hacking
  • Heh, remember when I said 30 point lead incoming?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    rcs1000 said:

    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    "Emo" is the worst insult my kids can throw at someone.

    "You're so emo"

    I don't get it, personally.
    Is it because all of those emo bands are total, total shite? Nobody who actually enjoys music listens to “My Chemical Romance”, it’s just a phase kids go through (or went through).

    Whereas (to brown-nose) that’s not true of Radiohead, or indeed, the National. Neither are my favourite bands, but the music has sophistication, colour and longevity.
    “Nobody who actually enjoys music listens to “My Chemical Romance”

    I’ll let people decide for themselves if you are being a tad harsh or not

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6EQAOmJrbw
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited January 2023

    I don't think the issue of paying a penalty to HMRC ought to exclude someone from political office. You'll get a £100 one if you file your return one day late! When the penalties run into the millions its a different matter of course.

    No 10 confirms Sunak has never paid a penalty to HMRC

    Also this morning a 5 way call between Sunak, Biden, Macron, Scholz and Meloni as part of allies close coordination of support for Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1618285498325438467?t=H3UQ8y43K-N-P7zRIqv3xQ&s=19
    What about Boris?

    Don't Churchillian backbenchers get invited to such events these days.
    Will Meloni send her roller skates or not?
    Only on a Ruby Tuesday.
  • @MoonRabbit can explain why a 29 point lead - with 30 point incoming still - is actually showing the polls narrowing
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

    As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.
    I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.
    It’s now a terrifying 30 years since “Dookie” was recorded (though not quite since it was released).

    Listening to it again, it remains good pop-punk but neither revolutionary in itself (as original punk was) nor rich enough to warrant deep immersion.

    Nearly ten years later, something similar was achieved by “Is This It?” by the Strokes.
  • kyf_100 said:

    Perhaps Nigel Farage can also use his OnlyFans account to help solve the housing crisis.


    "Now before we get up Lynn, I'm just going to warn you - I have popped out again."
    People did try and tell Farage it would be better staying in, but he wouldn't listen.
    We must break free from the restrictive EUrocratic embrace of underpants!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    @MoonRabbit can explain why a 29 point lead - with 30 point incoming still - is actually showing the polls narrowing

    An MRP - MoonRabbit Poll
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Other trajectories: the guitar band people who went from Radiohead en masse to Muse if they liked noodling on instruments themselves, and the ones who just listened went to those 2000s guitar bands from the magazines, even the dull ones you've forgotten like Jet. The hard kids who were into happy hardcore (not sure about this; annoying aggressive 90s dance music, not trance) switched to Eminem and forced his various LPs and "2001" onto the rest of us. Everyone was either openly or secretly paying attention to Britney Spears releases.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

    As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.
    I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.
    I like Paramore.

  • Labour leads by 26% in the Red Wall, a set of seats they lost by 9% in 2019. Red Wall VI (23 Jan): Labour 53% (+2) Conservative 27% (-2) Reform UK 9% (–) Liberal Democrat 5% (–) Green 4% (+1) Plaid Cymru 1% (–) Other 1% (–) Changes +/- 8-9 Jan.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Lest we forget:

    Prime Minister: this is not sustainable and it will only get worse: for you, for the Conservative Party and most importantly of all the country. You must do the right thing and go now.

    https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1544950219657330688?s=20&t=WYAPN_53l-Ozs7yxJvYLLw
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    rcs1000 said:

    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    "Emo" is the worst insult my kids can throw at someone.

    "You're so emo"

    I don't get it, personally.
    Is it because all of those emo bands are total, total shite? Nobody who actually enjoys music listens to “My Chemical Romance”, it’s just a phase kids go through (or went through).

    Whereas (to brown-nose) that’s not true of Radiohead, or indeed, the National. Neither are my favourite bands, but the music has sophistication, colour and longevity.
    “Nobody who actually enjoys music listens to “My Chemical Romance”

    I’ll let people decide for themselves if you are being a tad harsh or not

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6EQAOmJrbw
    Perhaps I am harsh, but not on the evidence of that video/track.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Heh, remember when I said 30 point lead incoming?

    you get excited over a people polling poll? They introduced double digit leads when everyone else had single digits. The people polling poll actually don’t have Tories dropping at all since their last poll. They do have Labour getting +5 bounce.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,019
    edited January 2023
    EPG said:

    Other trajectories: the guitar band people who went from Radiohead en masse to Muse if they liked noodling on instruments themselves, and the ones who just listened went to those 2000s guitar bands from the magazines, even the dull ones you've forgotten like Jet. The hard kids who were into happy hardcore (not sure about this; annoying aggressive 90s dance music, not trance) switched to Eminem and forced his various LPs and "2001" onto the rest of us. Everyone was either openly or secretly paying attention to Britney Spears releases.

    I am still in shock that Justin Bieber has a back catalogue of 290 songs....and now $200 million richer after selling the rights to them yesterday.
  • Heh, remember when I said 30 point lead incoming?

    you get excited over a people polling poll? They introduced double digit leads when everyone else had single digits. The people polling poll actually don’t have Tories dropping at all since their last poll. They do have Labour getting +5 bounce.
    MoonRabbit you said the polls were narrowing, can you give me your analysis of a +5 gain for Labour? Interested to here how this fits in
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    @MoonRabbit can explain why a 29 point lead - with 30 point incoming still - is actually showing the polls narrowing

    The Tories are actually ahead, and My Chemical Romance are very esteemed, on Planet Quargle Beta 7, in the year 2525.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    boulay said:

    Having re-listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory again, for the first time in a long time, I'm not convinced Liam Gallagher can sing.

    I was massively into it at the time, but his extraneous drawling vocals on Wonderwall are, quite frankly, rather flat - and grate a bit - and I think Noel probably performs better on Don't Look Back in Anger.

    At the time, I thought they sung as beautifully as Frank Sinatra, but I was an impressionable 90s teenager at the time.

    I'm currently listening to The Beautiful South, which is one of my favourite bands. Last night I was surprised to realise that two former members, Heaton and Abbott, have had two consecutive Number 1 albums as a duo.

    Particularly interesting as I really used to fancy Abbott.
    My missus’s brother, Jim, has been big mates with Dave Hemingway, the other bloke singer from the Beautiful South, for years, pre-fame. So Jim, my missus and loads of other family members were going to Beautiful South gigs, on the guest list, from the band’s beginnings.

    They were all big boozers, much fun was had by all! I met my missus a few years before they split, so got backstage a few times myself. The whole band were spot on, really nice people. Heaton’s a staunch socialist, everything was split equally I’m told.

    Hemingway’s got a new band now, Sunbirds, that released a good first album a year or so back, they’ve got plenty of gigs lined up this year. Hemingway’s a nice bloke too, very shy in real life, nothing like your typical frontman.

    That’s one of my very few, very tenuous claims to fame. I also once pulled a pint for Robert Hardy…
    “Welcome to the Beautiful South” by the Beautiful South (funnily enough) was a fantastic album. The problem came when they became a Radio 2 band where all the grannies started saying “that’s a lovely song” because they couldn’t hear that the lyrics were all about cock sizes and hash bars in Amsterdam so they lost their credibility.

    Someone mentioned Paul Weller earlier, he’s such a prick that he decided he would start a feud with Robert Smith of The Cure out of nowhere. Now I like a lot of music by the Jam, The Style Council and I even had a moment when I was sad enough to think “Wildwood” meant something to me in a deep way but when nobody in the world outside a few near-death centrist dads in the U.K. are listening to Paul Weller’s output there will be millions of Goths, College/University students and old people who like good music still putting Disintegration on or smiling to Lovecats or falling in love to Just like heaven.

    Not entirely sure about the last bit. My impression is that for the last 20 years the so-called goth kids were actually listening to nu metal and then emo, for the pretty good reason that bands goths liked were not putting out much music any more. I think this is the market that funds those acts with bizarre names like Twenty One Pilots and Avenged Sevenfold. That said, in young people places in the wild you hear Shout to the Top played about as often as Just Like Heaven.
    I don't think Goth Kids were nu-metal, as in your Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc....

    As for the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, they are still massive. You also have the screamo scene, Slipknot still mega popular, as are the likes of Parkway Drive are very big. Ghost are also very big and definitely one for the Goths.
    I wouldn't have thought so either except from personal experience. The kids I knew who started on The Cure ended up in the Linkin Park - Green Day - Paramore space. Slipknot is a good shout too. Same people liked them. So maybe they were really metalheads who happened to be girls who liked The Cure.
    It’s now a terrifying 30 years since “Dookie” was recorded (though not quite since it was released).

    Listening to it again, it remains good pop-punk but neither revolutionary in itself (as original punk was) nor rich enough to warrant deep immersion.

    Nearly ten years later, something similar was achieved by “Is This It?” by the Strokes.
    The band with Albert Hammond's kid. Not to be confused with Muse's Matt Bellamy, whose dad recorded "Telstar".
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Sunak desperately needs a Ukraine victory parade and state visit from Zelensky That might scrape back a few points .

    No one in their right mind can seriously argue that the Tories don’t need time in opposition .
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited January 2023
    EPG said:

    Other trajectories: the guitar band people who went from Radiohead en masse to Muse if they liked noodling on instruments themselves, and the ones who just listened went to those 2000s guitar bands from the magazines, even the dull ones you've forgotten like Jet. The hard kids who were into happy hardcore (not sure about this; annoying aggressive 90s dance music, not trance) switched to Eminem and forced his various LPs and "2001" onto the rest of us. Everyone was either openly or secretly paying attention to Britney Spears releases.

    You should do a thread header on this. The evolution of these tribes is worth subjecting to Bordieu-style class analysis too.

    Personally I was into guitar bands at the time, including Radiohead, but I always thought Muse were just tosh. That whole “progressive” turn is unlistenable, actually worse than the original much-derided progressive rock.
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