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He does seem very calm......like a man who knows his future is in his own hands, not the voters.....0
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Nick Clegg now at 1/5 to lead the party into the next election and 1/2 not to resign today with Paddy Power.0
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John Rentoul retweeted
Jack Blanchard @Jack_Blanchard_ · 5 mins5 minutes ago
Breaking. Paddy Power slash odds on Paddy Power getting a load of easy publicity from hungover political hacks in Glasgow
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Bookies market looking better for Clegg last few minutes with Paddy:antifrank said:
About the same on No and about £70 on the 1/3.Pulpstar said:
How much did Paddy let you have on both ?antifrank said:
Having reflected, I've doubled down, both by betting No on this bet and on betting at 1/3 that Nick Clegg will remain to the next election.Pong said:Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.
5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.
I have a nasty feeling I'm going to look very silly very shortly.
£11.72 for me on the "No", and I could have had £141 on the 1-3.
WILL NICK CLEGG ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION TODAY?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Slackbladder, possibly as Lib Dem leader, perhaps not as deputy PM. The odds have tumbled to below evens.
No @ 1-2
Yes @ 6-4
WILL NICK CLEGG LEAD LIB DEMS INTO NEXT GENERAL ELECTION?
Singles Only. Applies to the party's leader on the date of the next general election.
Yes 1/5
No 3/1
@Antifrank out the woods ?0 -
Do you have a link to that market please?antifrank said:Nick Clegg now at 1/5 to lead the party into the next election and 1/2 not to resign today with Paddy Power.
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Alternatively: Jack Blanchard of the Daily Mirror tweets: Breaking. Paddy Power slash odds on Paddy Power getting a load of easy publicity from hungover political hacks in Glasgow0
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http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1298093TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a link to that market please?antifrank said:Nick Clegg now at 1/5 to lead the party into the next election and 1/2 not to resign today with Paddy Power.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=19286760 -
I'd like to say that it's not the money, it's the ego. But the money would be a sore point too.Pulpstar said:Bookies market looking better for Clegg last few minutes with Paddy:
antifrank said:
About the same on No and about £70 on the 1/3.Pulpstar said:
How much did Paddy let you have on both ?antifrank said:
Having reflected, I've doubled down, both by betting No on this bet and on betting at 1/3 that Nick Clegg will remain to the next election.Pong said:Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.
5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.
I have a nasty feeling I'm going to look very silly very shortly.
£11.72 for me on the "No", and I could have had £141 on the 1-3.
WILL NICK CLEGG ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION TODAY?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Slackbladder, possibly as Lib Dem leader, perhaps not as deputy PM. The odds have tumbled to below evens.
No @ 1-2
Yes @ 6-4
WILL NICK CLEGG LEAD LIB DEMS INTO NEXT GENERAL ELECTION?
Singles Only. Applies to the party's leader on the date of the next general election.
Yes 1/5
No 3/1
@Antifrank out the woods ?0 -
Paddy pull the resignation market.0
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This is all just a ruse to make us all watch his speech isn't it?0
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Yup ^antifrank said:John Rentoul retweeted
Jack Blanchard @Jack_Blanchard_ · 5 mins5 minutes ago
Breaking. Paddy Power slash odds on Paddy Power getting a load of easy publicity from hungover political hacks in Glasgow0 -
I reckon he doesn't announce his resignation.0
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Cheers for the links.Pulpstar said:Paddy pull the resignation market.
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Hope you all got on that bet @ 5/6
That was easy money0 -
FPT
Mike on holiday. Check.
Mike betting on Clegg quitting. Check.
It is happening.0 -
Paddy Power you basta*ds, getting us all excited.0
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Christmas comes early for the Blues if Clegg goes, especially if Farron takes it. Can't see it myself.
How much of this has been driven by Dan Hodges' article and a runaway rumour mill? All of it?0 -
Keep calm and take Paddy's cash.Slackbladder said:Paddy Power you basta*ds, getting us all excited.
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As a final point on this subject, I've never thought very much of Nick Clegg, but he has one opportunity to redeem himself in my eyes, which is to see his way to lead his party all the way to the next general election.
What he does after that, I'm less fussed about.0 -
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron0 -
Btw, am I the only one who finds ladbrokes' website utterly hopeless?
Is there a way to change it back to the old site format?0 -
I think Clegg needs to go (much as I like him) though I would not object to him remaining in the cabinet.
The LibDems need a fresh face for a fresh start.0 -
No, I end up using their app, their website last week kept on crashing my browsers.Pong said:Btw, am I the only one who finds ladbrokes' website utterly hopeless?
Is there a way to change it back to the old site format?0 -
Thanks - that post has given me my biggest laugh of the morning.antifrank said:As a final point on this subject, I've never thought very much of Nick Clegg, but he has one opportunity to redeem himself in my eyes, which is to see his way to lead his party all the way to the next general election.
What he does after that, I'm less fussed about.
I hope Dave, George, Ed and Ed remain similarly committed to their leadership tasks too.0 -
No and no.Pong said:Btw, am I the only one who finds ladbrokes' website utterly hopeless?
Is there a way to change it back to the old site format?0 -
I find it works better with Dolphin than Chrome. It kept freezing on Chrome even on my galaxy S5.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I end up using their app, their website last week kept on crashing my browsers.Pong said:Btw, am I the only one who finds ladbrokes' website utterly hopeless?
Is there a way to change it back to the old site format?0 -
I reckon he will announce his wife is expecting another child. What else could Wintour of Guardian mean by tweeting: "Reckon the Clegger has the best, if not the most political, announcement of the conference season in his speech tomorrow."0
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Indeed it would, Farron (or Cable etc) tacking to the left would eat into labours (very soft) gains from Lab dem voters.Pulpstar said:
It would be a gift if he went.Anorak said:Christmas comes early for the Blues if Clegg goes, especially if Farron takes it. Can't see it myself.
How much of this has been driven by Dan Hodges' article and a runaway rumour mill? All of it?0 -
Alexander? Not sure he would win back much support though. Too close to Clegg.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron
Ed Davey? Steve Webb? Jo Swinson (long shot)
Presume Vince is now old news.0 -
I'm so glad this morning I merely mentioned the 1/16 on Clegg remaining till the election, rather than tipping it.0
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If it were due to Hodges there is one thing you can be sure of -- Nick Clegg's resignation would be a disaster for Ed Miliband.Anorak said:Christmas comes early for the Blues if Clegg goes, especially if Farron takes it. Can't see it myself.
How much of this has been driven by Dan Hodges' article and a runaway rumour mill? All of it?0 -
Our host likes the look of Norman Lamb.
Vince Cable would be the obvious safe pair of hands though, surely?0 -
Isn't Norman Lamb a bit barmey? Said MI5 were after him, or something..antifrank said:Our host likes the look of Norman Lamb.
Vince Cable would be the obvious safe pair of hands though, surely?0 -
To be fair to Dan Hodges. In this case, it actually would.DecrepitJohnL said:
If it were due to Hodges there is one thing you can be sure of -- Nick Clegg's resignation would be a disaster for Ed Miliband.Anorak said:Christmas comes early for the Blues if Clegg goes, especially if Farron takes it. Can't see it myself.
How much of this has been driven by Dan Hodges' article and a runaway rumour mill? All of it?0 -
I like Swinson as next leader.. They need to differentiate themselves, and a female leader would be one way of doing thatCasino_Royale said:
Alexander? Not sure he would win back much support though. Too close to Clegg.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron
Ed Davey? Steve Webb? Jo Swinson (long shot)
Presume Vince is now old news.0 -
Mike and I have similar pieces penned along those lines, especially if the Lib Dems go for Farron or Cable.DecrepitJohnL said:
If it were due to Hodges there is one thing you can be sure of -- Nick Clegg's resignation would be a disaster for Ed Miliband.Anorak said:Christmas comes early for the Blues if Clegg goes, especially if Farron takes it. Can't see it myself.
How much of this has been driven by Dan Hodges' article and a runaway rumour mill? All of it?
Labour's firewall should take a battering.0 -
Even though I'm not averse to long odds on betting I did think 1-16 looked a tad short.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so glad this morning I merely mentioned the 1/16 on Clegg remaining till the election, rather than tipping it.
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Yes BUT most bookies will be betting on next permanent leader, and Cable is quite old so any coronation plus announcement he will stand down after GE2015, and you might or might not get paid.antifrank said:Our host likes the look of Norman Lamb.
Vince Cable would be the obvious safe pair of hands though, surely?0 -
That's Norman BakerCasino_Royale said:
Isn't Norman Lamb a bit barmey? Said MI5 were after him, or something..antifrank said:Our host likes the look of Norman Lamb.
Vince Cable would be the obvious safe pair of hands though, surely?
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That's Norman Baker, isn't it?Casino_Royale said:
Isn't Norman Lamb a bit barmey? Said MI5 were after him, or something..antifrank said:Our host likes the look of Norman Lamb.
Vince Cable would be the obvious safe pair of hands though, surely?0 -
I'd thought this would be bad for Ed and Labour but on reflection and if Tim Farron won I don't think it would be bad at all. If anyone can make Ed look like a heavyweight it's Tim Farron and a refreshed Lib Dem party attacking from the left can do nothing but good.0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm so glad this morning I merely mentioned the 1/16 on Clegg remaining till the election, rather than tipping it.
Did you mean 16/1 rather than 1/16 but now think it was prophetic?0 -
Swinson is losing her seat one way or another, or I'll be out of pocket.isam said:
I like Swinson as next leader.. They need to differentiate themselves, and a female leader would be one way of doing thatCasino_Royale said:
Alexander? Not sure he would win back much support though. Too close to Clegg.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron
Ed Davey? Steve Webb? Jo Swinson (long shot)
Presume Vince is now old news.0 -
That doesn't follow. There would be great advantages in not having an existing minister as the new leader. Untainted. Fresh start. Not having to cooperate in the Cabinet. Gloves off.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron
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This morning, when I wrote the piece at 6.30 am, he was 1/16 to remain LD leader at the election.David_Evershed said:TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so glad this morning I merely mentioned the 1/16 on Clegg remaining till the election, rather than tipping it.
Did you mean 16/1 rather than 1/16 but now think it was prophetic?0 -
I don't understand, Roger. How does a LD party which is more attractive to left-leaning voters help Labour?Roger said:I'd thought this would be bad for Ed and Labour but on reflection and if Tim Farron won I don't think it would be bad at all. If anyone can make Ed look like a heavyweight it's Tim Farron and a refreshed Lib Dem party attacking from the left can do nothing but good.
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What about Carmichael who has already stood up to Clegg over SoS for Scotland? Is he the LDs' biggest beast from north of the border?0
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Yep, and Farron's been positioning himself specifically for that scenario. To the disdain of some of his colleagues, no doubt, but they don't have a particularly privileged position in the leadership contest.Barnesian said:
That doesn't follow. There would be great advantages in not having an existing minister as the new leader. Untainted. Fresh start. Not having to cooperate in the Cabinet. Gloves off.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron0 -
Even more differentiation, a leader thats not an MP! Works for UKIPPulpstar said:
Swinson is losing her seat one way or another, or I'll be out of pocket.isam said:
I like Swinson as next leader.. They need to differentiate themselves, and a female leader would be one way of doing thatCasino_Royale said:
Alexander? Not sure he would win back much support though. Too close to Clegg.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron
Ed Davey? Steve Webb? Jo Swinson (long shot)
Presume Vince is now old news.0 -
I was wondering the same thing.Tissue_Price said:
I don't understand, Roger. How does a LD party which is more attractive to left-leaning voters help Labour?Roger said:I'd thought this would be bad for Ed and Labour but on reflection and if Tim Farron won I don't think it would be bad at all. If anyone can make Ed look like a heavyweight it's Tim Farron and a refreshed Lib Dem party attacking from the left can do nothing but good.
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If Clegg goes before Carmichael quite a few of us will be mildly annoyed about that.0
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Anyone have the odds on Mike Smithson as the next Lib Dem leader?0
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If he goes he'll just be replaced by someone doing an "Ed Miliband", hinting at how much they opposed the previous (Blair/Brown) regime but when you check their voting record on Hansard they voted FOR everything they now say they were averse to.
(Not all that averse if you don't have the courage of your convictions to stand up and be counted) i.e: vote against them.
That you wanted to see your govt successfully implement these policies (as will be shown by your votes) then please (to the new leader of the Irrelevant Dems) don't come singing the same song as Miliband did. Pay heid to the evidence of why he's the least popular leader in Labour's chequered history.0 -
Thanks. Just shows you how much attention I pay to the Liberal Democrats.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's Norman BakerCasino_Royale said:
Isn't Norman Lamb a bit barmey? Said MI5 were after him, or something..antifrank said:Our host likes the look of Norman Lamb.
Vince Cable would be the obvious safe pair of hands though, surely?
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Because everyone will be attacking the Tories which will make Labour's supporters more likely to get out and vote.Tissue_Price said:
I don't understand, Roger. How does a LD party which is more attractive to left-leaning voters help Labour?Roger said:I'd thought this would be bad for Ed and Labour but on reflection and if Tim Farron won I don't think it would be bad at all. If anyone can make Ed look like a heavyweight it's Tim Farron and a refreshed Lib Dem party attacking from the left can do nothing but good.
The last thing Labour want is anyone talking about their record from last time or their manifesto this time.0 -
However hopefully she'll replace Carmichael as Scottish SoS...isam said:
Even more differentiation, a leader thats not an MP! Works for UKIPPulpstar said:
Swinson is losing her seat one way or another, or I'll be out of pocket.isam said:
I like Swinson as next leader.. They need to differentiate themselves, and a female leader would be one way of doing thatCasino_Royale said:
Alexander? Not sure he would win back much support though. Too close to Clegg.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
Whether he's going or not Clegg has found a way of generating lots of interest in his speech
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
If there was LD leadership election before GE2015 then an existing minister would surely get it - thus screwing Farron
Ed Davey? Steve Webb? Jo Swinson (long shot)
Presume Vince is now old news.0 -
Paul Waugh retweeted
Charlotte Henry @charlotteahenry · 3 mins3 minutes ago
One senior Lib Dem tells me that if Clegg quits today “he will be the first person to fall over with apoplexy” It’s not happening.
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@jimwaterson: Conference season: Labour weirdly pessimistic, Tories weirdly confident, UKIP manic, Lib Dems just totally content and planning for govt.0
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Everyone's attacking the Tories already. Doesn't seem to be hurting that much.CopperSulphate said:
Because everyone will be attacking the Tories which will make Labour's supporters more likely to get out and vote.Tissue_Price said:
I don't understand, Roger. How does a LD party which is more attractive to left-leaning voters help Labour?Roger said:I'd thought this would be bad for Ed and Labour but on reflection and if Tim Farron won I don't think it would be bad at all. If anyone can make Ed look like a heavyweight it's Tim Farron and a refreshed Lib Dem party attacking from the left can do nothing but good.
The last thing Labour want is anyone talking about their record from last time or their manifesto this time.0 -
The first step is to win Rochester and Strood for the LibDems, he can ride the momentum from there.David_Evershed said:Anyone have the odds on Mike Smithson as the next Lib Dem leader?
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If he's determined to stay, I can't believe they'd want speculation like this. It puts ideas in peoples' minds. I'm not really interested in people slashing odds. Far more interesting would be to see odds on him staying LENGTHENING.TheScreamingEagles said:This is all just a ruse to make us all watch his speech isn't it?
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Ditto.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I end up using their app, their website last week kept on crashing my browsers.Pong said:Btw, am I the only one who finds ladbrokes' website utterly hopeless?
Is there a way to change it back to the old site format?0 -
Huppert?0
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Tell me about it.Tissue_Price said:If Clegg goes before Carmichael quite a few of us will be mildly annoyed about that.
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Clegg ain't going anywhere pre May.0
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Would PB posters vote Lib Dem if Mike Smithson were their leader?
I certainly would.0 -
I think I need a drink.0
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You can't get 1-3 on him to stay now or 5-6 for him not to announce his resignation now.FrankBooth said:
If he's determined to stay, I can't believe they'd want speculation like this. It puts ideas in peoples' minds. I'm not really interested in people slashing odds. Far more interesting would be to see odds on him staying LENGTHENING.TheScreamingEagles said:This is all just a ruse to make us all watch his speech isn't it?
They have lengthened. Though shorter than 6:30 am...0 -
If Clegg stands down, he could stand for Sheffield Hallam. Should please TSE.edmundintokyo said:
The first step is to win Rochester and Strood for the LibDems, he can ride the momentum from there.David_Evershed said:Anyone have the odds on Mike Smithson as the next Lib Dem leader?
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There's a small chance that the Lib Dems will campaign on their record in helping clear up the mess left by Labour by being half sensible with spending.Tissue_Price said:
Everyone's attacking the Tories already. Doesn't seem to be hurting that much.CopperSulphate said:
Because everyone will be attacking the Tories which will make Labour's supporters more likely to get out and vote.Tissue_Price said:
I don't understand, Roger. How does a LD party which is more attractive to left-leaning voters help Labour?Roger said:I'd thought this would be bad for Ed and Labour but on reflection and if Tim Farron won I don't think it would be bad at all. If anyone can make Ed look like a heavyweight it's Tim Farron and a refreshed Lib Dem party attacking from the left can do nothing but good.
The last thing Labour want is anyone talking about their record from last time or their manifesto this time.
Of course they might just start booing the Tories like they usually do which would be entirely against their own interests.
Also bear in mind the people most likely to vote on the strength of the simplistic "baby eating Tory" meme are Labour supporters.0 -
Ministers tend not to vote against their own governments if they want to remain ministers: collective responsibility and all that.Joe_Public said:If he goes he'll just be replaced by someone doing an "Ed Miliband", hinting at how much they opposed the previous (Blair/Brown) regime but when you check their voting record on Hansard they voted FOR everything they now say they were averse to.
(Not all that averse if you don't have the courage of your convictions to stand up and be counted) i.e: vote against them.
That you wanted to see your govt successfully implement these policies (as will be shown by your votes) then please (to the new leader of the Irrelevant Dems) don't come singing the same song as Miliband did. Pay heid to the evidence of why he's the least popular leader in Labour's chequered history.0 -
Why not - the very essence of Lib Demmery !OldKingCole said:Huppert?
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Have we all just been the victim of another bookies big PR stunt? We'll see in an hour.0
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Surely he means preparing for government :')TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Conference season: Labour weirdly pessimistic, Tories weirdly confident, UKIP manic, Lib Dems just totally content and planning for govt.
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How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.0 -
How about Nick Clegg to reveal Ken Clarke defecting to Lib Dems and to stand as their leader?0
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If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.0
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A stunner.David_Evershed said:How about Nick Clegg to reveal Ken Clarke defecting to Lib Dems and to stand as their leader?
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Clegg is now 1/4 to be the Lib Dem leader at the general election (at 6.30 am he was 1/16)
I know I'm tempting fate, but that's value IMHO.0 -
Well, it won't be there by 2:30pm IMHO.TheScreamingEagles said:Clegg is now 1/4 to be the Lib Dem leader at the general election (at 6.30 am he was 1/16)
I know I'm tempting fate, but that's value IMHO.
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Can't see that myself. Or at least not a net positive for Labour - at a stretch, we might end up with LD +5 Con -2 Lab -3. But -1/-4 seems a more likely split in the case of any LD revival.Roger said:TP
How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.0 -
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.Patrick said:If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
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I'm on this again. I've taken the view from some time ago that Nick Clegg would see it out, and today's scare seems to have been entirely driven by Mr Power.rottenborough said:
Well, it won't be there by 2:30pm IMHO.TheScreamingEagles said:Clegg is now 1/4 to be the Lib Dem leader at the general election (at 6.30 am he was 1/16)
I know I'm tempting fate, but that's value IMHO.0 -
He's 1/5 nowrottenborough said:
Well, it won't be there by 2:30pm IMHO.TheScreamingEagles said:Clegg is now 1/4 to be the Lib Dem leader at the general election (at 6.30 am he was 1/16)
I know I'm tempting fate, but that's value IMHO.0 -
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.CopperSulphate said:
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.Patrick said:If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
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God, this has been an exciting hour or so for pb addicts.0
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If there's a devolution announcement, as I said earlier, I reckon a Cornish Assembly to try and kill an English Parliament off forever (by carving England up into shitty little regions) and some city-regions will be what they go for.0
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Clegg set to disappoint everyone again by not resigning.0
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Maybe it's a rule the crossovers occur while I'm on a plane and party leaders quit while I'm on a train.0
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Betting Post WI currently 219-3 with 12 overs of ODI left
Still available at 2.18 to win
Has to be great value they should get in the region of 3300 -
Sorry Roger, but if the lib dems gain support from their current low base, they have to take it off labour, as that is who labour have taken it off them. Labour lose out.Roger said:TP
How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.0 -
The Paddy Power market on Clegg being LD leader at the election is here
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=12980930 -
In one of the marvel comics I'm fairly certain that The Avengers once had a train that converted into a plane.RobD said:Maybe it's a rule the crossovers occur while I'm on a plane and party leaders quit while I'm on a train.
Never get on that. You may destroy the political fabric of this country if you did.0 -
I am on WI at longer odds and disappointed with cash out on offer of £119
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In the latest Ashcroft national poll, the Liberal Democrat 2010 vote breaks down in this way:Slackbladder said:
Sorry Roger, but if the lib dems gain support from their current low base, they have to take it off labour, as that is who labour have taken it off them. Labour lose out.Roger said:TP
How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.
Con 14%
Lab 19%
LD 24%
UKIP 13%
Green 11%
Ref/DK 13%
A Lib Dem revival doesn't necessarily hurt Labour, it all depends on the details.0 -
A 2nd Cleggasm for you?TheScreamingEagles said:God, this has been an exciting hour or so for pb addicts.
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