How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.
Sorry Roger, but if the lib dems gain support from their current low base, they have to take it off labour, as that is who labour have taken it off them. Labour lose out.
In the latest Ashcroft national poll, the Liberal Democrat 2010 vote breaks down in this way:
Con 14% Lab 19% LD 24% UKIP 13% Green 11% Ref/DK 13%
A Lib Dem revival doesn't necessarily hurt Labour, it all depends on the details.
Depends if Farron tacks to the left to hoover up the 2010 lib dem current labour voters (the ones Mike always goes on about)
And anyway that was the Ashcroft poll which put the tories ahead anyway wasn't it? So that's not a great starting point for labour.
How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.
Sorry Roger, but if the lib dems gain support from their current low base, they have to take it off labour, as that is who labour have taken it off them. Labour lose out.
In the latest Ashcroft national poll, the Liberal Democrat 2010 vote breaks down in this way:
Con 14% Lab 19% LD 24% UKIP 13% Green 11% Ref/DK 13%
A Lib Dem revival doesn't necessarily hurt Labour, it all depends on the details.
Depends if Farron tacks to the left to hoover up the 2010 lib dem current labour voters (the ones Mike always goes on about)
And anyway that was the Ashcroft poll which put the tories ahead anyway wasn't it? So that's not a great starting point for labour.
If the new leader ..... whoever he or she is ...... tacks to the left, then it'll hurt the Greens as well as Labour
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn · 18 secs18 seconds ago We've seen Clegg's speech now. The one thing he doesn't do in it is quit (sorry to disappoint the fan club) #ldconf
Clegg is now 1/4 to be the Lib Dem leader at the general election (at 6.30 am he was 1/16)
I know I'm tempting fate, but that's value IMHO.
Well, it won't be there by 2:30pm IMHO.
I'm on this again. I've taken the view from some time ago that Nick Clegg would see it out, and today's scare seems to have been entirely driven by Mr Power.
So who placed the 'flood of bets' overnight then?
Having tried (and failed) to get the 5/1 at Ladbrokes, I'm staying out of this now. It's a literal gamble.
How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.
Sorry Roger, but if the lib dems gain support from their current low base, they have to take it off labour, as that is who labour have taken it off them. Labour lose out.
In the latest Ashcroft national poll, the Liberal Democrat 2010 vote breaks down in this way:
Con 14% Lab 19% LD 24% UKIP 13% Green 11% Ref/DK 13%
A Lib Dem revival doesn't necessarily hurt Labour, it all depends on the details.
That's untypical; We didn't see that before the conference bounce, which will presumably die back down.
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn · 18 secs18 seconds ago We've seen Clegg's speech now. The one thing he doesn't do in it is quit (sorry to disappoint the fan club) #ldconf
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn · 18 secs18 seconds ago We've seen Clegg's speech now. The one thing he doesn't do in it is quit (sorry to disappoint the fan club) #ldconf
Boooooooooo
Any bombshell like that would not be in the pre-circulated version.
If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.
If it favours the Tories over Labour they will vote it down on a technicality.
Splitting the governance of England from the governance of the UK will increase the probability of their being a hung Parliament in one of the Parliaments. Surely that would be to the Lib Dem's advantage?
How can a Lib Dem party attacking from the left help Labour.
We're talking an energetic new left leaning Party dishing the dirt on their ex partners. Anything that damages the Tories disproportionately helps Labour as the left's market leader.
Sorry Roger, but if the lib dems gain support from their current low base, they have to take it off labour, as that is who labour have taken it off them. Labour lose out.
In the latest Ashcroft national poll, the Liberal Democrat 2010 vote breaks down in this way:
Con 14% Lab 19% LD 24% UKIP 13% Green 11% Ref/DK 13%
A Lib Dem revival doesn't necessarily hurt Labour, it all depends on the details.
Depends if Farron tacks to the left to hoover up the 2010 lib dem current labour voters (the ones Mike always goes on about)
And anyway that was the Ashcroft poll which put the tories ahead anyway wasn't it? So that's not a great starting point for labour.
Alright then. Taking an Ashcroft with a 6% lead for Labour (two weeks ago) and the splits are:
Con 7%, Lab 24%, LD, 31%, UKIP 10%, Green 10%, Ref/DK 14%.
UKIP, Green and Refused/Don't Know are more than Con and Lab combined.
If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.
If it favours the Tories over Labour they will vote it down on a technicality.
Splitting the governance of England from the governance of the UK will increase the probability of their being a hung Parliament in one of the Parliaments. Surely that would be to the Lib Dem's advantage?
Would it? After the 2010 there wouldn't have been a hung parliament in England, Scotland or Wales (I think).
England would have a Tory majority most of the time and definitely next time. No way the Lib Dems would vote for that.
If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.
If it favours the Tories over Labour they will vote it down on a technicality.
Splitting the governance of England from the governance of the UK will increase the probability of their being a hung Parliament in one of the Parliaments. Surely that would be to the Lib Dem's advantage?
Scrapping the House of Lords and creating an English parliament that uses PR would be my preferred solution. It can be housed in the upper chamber.
The supreme court aspect should not be affected by this.
If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.
If it favours the Tories over Labour they will vote it down on a technicality.
Splitting the governance of England from the governance of the UK will increase the probability of their being a hung Parliament in one of the Parliaments. Surely that would be to the Lib Dem's advantage?
Would it? After the 2010 there wouldn't have been a hung parliament in England, Scotland or Wales (I think).
England would have a Tory majority most of the time and definitely next time. No way the Lib Dems would vote for that.
With an English Parliament there would still be a UK Parliament. There would be a chance that the English Parliament was hung when the UK Parliament was not.
If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.
If it favours the Tories over Labour they will vote it down on a technicality.
Splitting the governance of England from the governance of the UK will increase the probability of their being a hung Parliament in one of the Parliaments. Surely that would be to the Lib Dem's advantage?
Would it? After the 2010 there wouldn't have been a hung parliament in England, Scotland or Wales (I think).
England would have a Tory majority most of the time and definitely next time. No way the Lib Dems would vote for that.
With an English Parliament there would still be a UK Parliament. There would be a chance that the English Parliament was hung when the UK Parliament was not.
However it won't take much of a swing to guarantee a Labour majority as is well pointed out. By splitting the two there might a Labour UK majority but a hung parliament in England which the Lib-Dems could hold the balance of power for.
If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.
If it favours the Tories over Labour they will vote it down on a technicality.
Splitting the governance of England from the governance of the UK will increase the probability of their being a hung Parliament in one of the Parliaments. Surely that would be to the Lib Dem's advantage?
Would it? After the 2010 there wouldn't have been a hung parliament in England, Scotland or Wales (I think).
England would have a Tory majority most of the time and definitely next time. No way the Lib Dems would vote for that.
Depends on the system, new parliament wouldn't necessarily be FPTP.
If Clegg goes AND they announce support for an English Parliament - well that might be a gamechanger for LibDem prospects.
No chance of that. The anger on here at the idea of EV4EL from Lib Dems because it "helps the Tories" tells you everything you need to know.
An English Parliament is quite different to messing around with the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have long been in favour of a federal UK.
If it favours the Tories over Labour they will vote it down on a technicality.
Splitting the governance of England from the governance of the UK will increase the probability of their being a hung Parliament in one of the Parliaments. Surely that would be to the Lib Dem's advantage?
Would it? After the 2010 there wouldn't have been a hung parliament in England, Scotland or Wales (I think).
England would have a Tory majority most of the time and definitely next time. No way the Lib Dems would vote for that.
Depends on the system, new parliament wouldn't necessarily be FPTP.
Ah now we're getting somewhere. The Lib Dems would have an English parliament if it allowed them to get PR by the back door.
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn · 18 secs18 seconds ago We've seen Clegg's speech now. The one thing he doesn't do in it is quit (sorry to disappoint the fan club) #ldconf
Boooooooooo
Any bombshell like that would not be in the pre-circulated version.
Grand Moff Clegg: "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you over-estimate their chances!"
If there's a devolution announcement, as I said earlier, I reckon a Cornish Assembly to try and kill an English Parliament off forever (by carving England up into shitty little regions) and some city-regions will be what they go for.
And what about places like Sussex or Herefordshire? They just get ruled by more and more MPs voting on issues that don't affect their constituents. This would just make the WLQ worse.
I guess if you're Clegg you must get a bit bored wearing a yellow tie all the time.
I can think of a colour similar to yellow he could also wear, but, for that to have the desired effect, the Lib Dem conference would need to be held in Birmingham.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh · 38 secs38 seconds ago Clegg spksman: “Trust me, they [Vince/Farron] r in the speech..it’s not the full speech”. But brief sd 'Full text'
If there's a devolution announcement, as I said earlier, I reckon a Cornish Assembly to try and kill an English Parliament off forever (by carving England up into shitty little regions) and some city-regions will be what they go for.
And what about places like Sussex or Herefordshire? They just get ruled by more and more MPs voting on issues that don't affect their constituents. This would just make the WLQ worse.
The Liberal Democrat's stated policy is to devolve power away from Westminster, so that would presumably include to places like Sussex and Herefordshire which are majority Tory.
I don't think the Lib Dems are quite as bad as Labour, who only wanted to devolve power to places where they could create power bases from which they could harass a future UK Conservative government.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh · 38 secs38 seconds ago Clegg spksman: “Trust me, they [Vince/Farron] r in the speech..it’s not the full speech”. But brief sd 'Full text'
Oops the Standard have suffered from premature posting
Nick Clegg turned his guns on David Cameron and the Tories with the most aggressive attack yet on the “frenzied bile” of his Coalition partners.
In his keynote speech to the Liberal Democrat conference in Glasgow, he took off his gloves after four years of power-sharing government. “David Cameron — you can copy our ideas but you will never imitate our values,” he said scathingly, after accusing the Prime Minister of stealing the Lib-Dem flagship policy of tax cuts for the poor.
He railed at the “dated snobbery” of Conservative Right-wingers who sneered at vocational qualifications pushed in government by Lib-Dems.
And in a dig aimed at former education secretary Michael Gove, now Chief Whip, he said: “Did you know Michael Gove raided the budget for much-needed school places in order to fund his Free School obsession? Did you see the frenzied bile from the Tory Right against our plan to give young children at primary school a healthy meal at lunchtime?”
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn · 18 secs18 seconds ago We've seen Clegg's speech now. The one thing he doesn't do in it is quit (sorry to disappoint the fan club) #ldconf
Boooooooooo
Any bombshell like that would not be in the pre-circulated version.
Grand Moff Clegg: "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you over-estimate their chances!"
Nick Robinson Political editor Clegg's future Posted at 13:27 Reflecting on Mr Clegg's future, Nick Robinson says he is likely to stay in his job even if the party loses half of its seats in the 2015 election. Even in that situation, the Lib Dems would still be "in the game" in terms of potentially holding the balance of power. But in the event of a big Conservative and Labour victory next year, the Lib Dems would have to "completely reinvent itself", he adds.
I disagree with Nick's analysis, particularly if the numbers are there for a Lib-Lab pact.
Sadiq Khan to step down in preparation for a tilt at London mayor ?
Or too early for that sort of thing ?
In my opinion promote Jim Murphy, demoting Tristram Hunt may be a good idea.
Murphy is a big asset for Labour, Hunt less so.
Murphy should be Shad Home Sec or Shad Foreign Sec. He's one of Labour's few really impressive performers (in fact he should be leader, and maybe will be if Ed loses in 2015).
He did sterling work in Scotland. And of course having a Scot right at the top would help to stem the SNP surge.
They should use him as much as possible, make him Deputy Leader as well.
Hunt is competent but his backstory is appalling. The Honourable Tristam de Toncqueville Xander Octavian Hunt, OE, PPE, KCMG, ex Viceroy of India, or whatever he is, just has all the wrong optics for a Labour education minister. Labour need a working class bruiser to attack Tories for their poshness on this crucial issue.
I doubt he will ever be Shad Home Sec (unless there was a major shake up) of their responsibilities because it would be bad politics (given where the English question stands) to have a Scottish MP in charge of devolved areas such as the police. One of the interesting things about the current Shadow Cabinet is that it is England friendly with the likes of Murphy dealing with the shared issues of International Aid (Alexander having the Foreign gig). Whether that is coincidental or not is unclear but I imagine that Labour would have been conscious of the risks of the English question long before it became an issue again.
Oops the Standard have suffered from premature posting
Nick Clegg turned his guns on David Cameron and the Tories with the most aggressive attack yet on the “frenzied bile” of his Coalition partners.
In his keynote speech to the Liberal Democrat conference in Glasgow, he took off his gloves after four years of power-sharing government. “David Cameron — you can copy our ideas but you will never imitate our values,” he said scathingly, after accusing the Prime Minister of stealing the Lib-Dem flagship policy of tax cuts for the poor.
He railed at the “dated snobbery” of Conservative Right-wingers who sneered at vocational qualifications pushed in government by Lib-Dems.
And in a dig aimed at former education secretary Michael Gove, now Chief Whip, he said: “Did you know Michael Gove raided the budget for much-needed school places in order to fund his Free School obsession? Did you see the frenzied bile from the Tory Right against our plan to give young children at primary school a healthy meal at lunchtime?”
Sadiq Khan to step down in preparation for a tilt at London mayor ?
Or too early for that sort of thing ?
In my opinion promote Jim Murphy, demoting Tristram Hunt may be a good idea.
Murphy is a big asset for Labour, Hunt less so.
Murphy should be Shad Home Sec or Shad Foreign Sec. He's one of Labour's few really impressive performers (in fact he should be leader, and maybe will be if Ed loses in 2015).
He did sterling work in Scotland. And of course having a Scot right at the top would help to stem the SNP surge.
They should use him as much as possible, make him Deputy Leader as well.
Hunt is competent but his backstory is appalling. The Honourable Tristam de Toncqueville Xander Octavian Hunt, OE, PPE, KCMG, ex Viceroy of India, or whatever he is, just has all the wrong optics for a Labour education minister. Labour need a working class bruiser to attack Tories for their poshness on this crucial issue.
I doubt he will ever be Shad Home Sec (unless there was a major shake) up of their responsibilities because it would be bad politics (given where the English question stands) to have a Scottish MP in charge of devolved areas such as the police. One of the interesting things about the current Shadow Cabinet is that it is England friendly with the likes of Murphy dealing with the shared issues of International Aid (Alexander having the Foreign gig). Whether that is coincidental or not is unclear but I imagine that Labour would have been conscious of the risks of the English question long before it became an issue again.
Whereas Shadow Foreign Sec is still a UK issue. So probably the better of the two.
Put Dougie in charge of electioneering or some such, he's OK but Murphy is better.
onference in Glasgow, he took off his gloves after four years of power-sharing government. “David Cameron — you can copy our ideas but you will never imitate our values,”
Thank God for that. The last thing we want is the PM adopting the LibDem values: sanctimony, duplicity, untrustworthiness, inconsistency, dishonesty, hypocrisy, and being all things to all men.
Anyway, what school did Nick go to? How can you 'imitate' values?
Sadiq Khan to step down in preparation for a tilt at London mayor ?
Or too early for that sort of thing ?
In my opinion promote Jim Murphy, demoting Tristram Hunt may be a good idea.
Murphy is a big asset for Labour, Hunt less so.
Murphy should be Shad Home Sec or Shad Foreign Sec. He's one of Labour's few really impressive performers (in fact he should be leader, and maybe will be if Ed loses in 2015).
He did sterling work in Scotland. And of course having a Scot right at the top would help to stem the SNP surge.
They should use him as much as possible, make him Deputy Leader as well.
Hunt is competent but his backstory is appalling. The Honourable Tristam de Toncqueville Xander Octavian Hunt, OE, PPE, KCMG, ex Viceroy of India, or whatever he is, just has all the wrong optics for a Labour education minister. Labour need a working class bruiser to attack Tories for their poshness on this crucial issue.
I doubt he will ever be Shad Home Sec (unless there was a major shake) up of their responsibilities because it would be bad politics (given where the English question stands) to have a Scottish MP in charge of devolved areas such as the police. One of the interesting things about the current Shadow Cabinet is that it is England friendly with the likes of Murphy dealing with the shared issues of International Aid (Alexander having the Foreign gig). Whether that is coincidental or not is unclear but I imagine that Labour would have been conscious of the risks of the English question long before it became an issue again.
Whereas Shadow Foreign Sec is still a UK issue. So probably the better of the two.
Put Dougie in charge of electioneering or some such, he's OK but Murphy is better.
Ah but wee dougie like young Ed was one of Gordon's Young Turk's. Ed's all for the 'Young Turks'. They've got all the big jobs
As well as "SAYING.THE .LAST.WORDS.SLOWLY.AND.LOUDLY", which all politicians seem guilty of, my latest Speech hate crime has just been committed by Clegg.. asking a question then using a rapid fire list of achievements to answer it yourself... Caroline Lucas does it, as does Cameron
Reminds me of "What'll I get for Christmas for 'Er Indoors" by Arfur Daley & Terry McCann!
@rowenamason: Nick Clegg urges voters not to judge him on the one policy not delivered (presume he means fees, not voting, lords or party funding reform)
Perhaps the big announcement is to follow that momentous mould breaking motion from earlier in the week. Perhaps Clegg is going to announce that the English Premier League is to be nationalised and that all games will in future end in a draw....
As well as "SAYING.THE .LAST.WORDS.SLOWLY.AND.LOUDLY", which all politicians seem guilty of, my latest Speech hate crime has just been committed by Clegg.. asking a question then using a rapid fire list of achievements to answer it yourself... Caroline Lucas does it, as does Cameron
Drives me mad too. Ask yourself a question then answer yourself in a chatty way.
"So what;s going to be happening in 2015? Well, we'll be launching our new range of even better doodads."
Louise Stewart trying out a novel predictive text error - executed for expected. Must be some unique software on her phone. It was an innocent mistake.
As well as "SAYING.THE .LAST.WORDS.SLOWLY.AND.LOUDLY", which all politicians seem guilty of, my latest Speech hate crime has just been committed by Clegg.. asking a question then using a rapid fire list of achievements to answer it yourself... Caroline Lucas does it, as does Cameron
Drives me mad too. Ask yourself a question then answer yourself in a chatty way.
"So what;s going to be happening in 2015? Well, we'll be launching our new range of even better doodads."
So 1980s photocopier salesmen's convention.
Here is Lucas doing it on QT.. who told her this is an impressive technique? Awful IMO
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And anyway that was the Ashcroft poll which put the tories ahead anyway wasn't it? So that's not a great starting point for labour.
We've seen Clegg's speech now. The one thing he doesn't do in it is quit (sorry to disappoint the fan club) #ldconf
Boooooooooo
Having tried (and failed) to get the 5/1 at Ladbrokes, I'm staying out of this now. It's a literal gamble.
Hilarious juxtaposition in the photo of Clegg there.
Con 7%, Lab 24%, LD, 31%, UKIP 10%, Green 10%, Ref/DK 14%.
UKIP, Green and Refused/Don't Know are more than Con and Lab combined.
England would have a Tory majority most of the time and definitely next time. No way the Lib Dems would vote for that.
The supreme court aspect should not be affected by this.
But just an EP on it's own? No chance.
@georgeeaton: Labour reshuffle likely next week, several sources have told me today.
Labour reshuffle likely next week, several sources have told me today.
I can think of a colour similar to yellow he could also wear, but, for that to have the desired effect, the Lib Dem conference would need to be held in Birmingham.
Clegg spksman: “Trust me, they [Vince/Farron] r in the speech..it’s not the full speech”. But brief sd 'Full text'
So the speech isn't the full speech? Interesting.
I don't think the Lib Dems are quite as bad as Labour, who only wanted to devolve power to places where they could create power bases from which they could harass a future UK Conservative government.
Or too early for that sort of thing ?
In my opinion promote Jim Murphy, demoting Tristram Hunt may be a good idea.
Murphy is a big asset for Labour, Hunt less so.
I am going to see the last 2 films currently showing at Cineworld Nottingham that I havent already seen followed by Ross Noble next door.
I expect another outlier to occur during the latter performance.
Media Guido @MediaGuido 1m1 minute ago
Poor BBC Social Media Execution http://order-order.com/2014/10/08/poor-bbc-social-media-execution/ …
Nick Clegg turned his guns on David Cameron and the Tories with the most aggressive attack yet on the “frenzied bile” of his Coalition partners.
In his keynote speech to the Liberal Democrat conference in Glasgow, he took off his gloves after four years of power-sharing government. “David Cameron — you can copy our ideas but you will never imitate our values,” he said scathingly, after accusing the Prime Minister of stealing the Lib-Dem flagship policy of tax cuts for the poor.
He railed at the “dated snobbery” of Conservative Right-wingers who sneered at vocational qualifications pushed in government by Lib-Dems.
And in a dig aimed at former education secretary Michael Gove, now Chief Whip, he said: “Did you know Michael Gove raided the budget for much-needed school places in order to fund his Free School obsession? Did you see the frenzied bile from the Tory Right against our plan to give young children at primary school a healthy meal at lunchtime?”
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nick-clegg-blasts-snobbery-and-bile-of-tory-coalition-partners--conference-lib-dem-9782281.html
Labour 31.0%
Tory 30.8%
That's before Yougov work their magic.
Curiously, the legendary SNP Indy lead one was 44% Yes/56% No before they put it through re-weighting, or whatever they do.
It doesn't matter who labour have on education.
Labour Bruiser....the tories are posh on education.
Cons.....and how are things in Wales, the dunces of Europe under labour??
Labour Bruiser......Oh, I....er....
Discussion over.
Until this year's PISAS, when the full horror of Welsh education is illustrated once again.
Flat as a pancake track ?
Political editor
Clegg's future
Posted at 13:27
Reflecting on Mr Clegg's future, Nick Robinson says he is likely to stay in his job even if the party loses half of its seats in the 2015 election. Even in that situation, the Lib Dems would still be "in the game" in terms of potentially holding the balance of power. But in the event of a big Conservative and Labour victory next year, the Lib Dems would have to "completely reinvent itself", he adds.
I disagree with Nick's analysis, particularly if the numbers are there for a Lib-Lab pact.
Ken looked more rodent like IMO. Never thought Danny Alex did - I can't think what possessed Hattie to say that.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/106031/nick_clegg_speech_to_the_liberal_democrat_conference.html
For those who want to read Nick Clegg's words.
Put Dougie in charge of electioneering or some such, he's OK but Murphy is better.
Anyway, what school did Nick go to? How can you 'imitate' values?
"It's been a lot of fun, but it's time for someone new to have a spin of the wheel - I quit."
http://thepoptopshop.com/osc/images/Astrotrain.JPG
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/Megatronium_X/Collections/G1TCAstrotrain.jpg
Reminds me of "What'll I get for Christmas for 'Er Indoors" by Arfur Daley & Terry McCann!
West Indies post 321runs in ODI against India
Betfair has them at 2.30 to win surely that has to represent good value.
Although India clearly have a chance of getting them but in my view 1.75 is not good value on India
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/football-too-concerned-with-winning-say-lib-dem-activists/
ITWIHAGCOW
"So what;s going to be happening in 2015? Well, we'll be launching our new range of even better doodads."
So 1980s photocopier salesmen's convention.
Even on a flat track, that's a buy.
Oddly enough it didn't work that way for me.
However all the Tory bashing may have had an impact on the polls. Tories back down to 32% and government approval ratings back to -26 from -16.
FFS, they need to get their messaging right on this.
Nobody is mad that you didn't scrap tuition fees, Nick. If you'd left them at £3k, the issue would have been forgotton.
We're mad that you pledged to scrap them, then tripled them instead.
If you're going to apologise, apologise for the whole shebang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xiyd9yeUzzk
Lib Dems fighting the Greens
Tories fighting Kippers
Labour fighting the Scot Nats.
Its by no means a certainty but almost 11/8 against on WI win having scored 321 has to be worth a small nibble.
If India had posted that score WI would surely be about 5/1 to chase it down
http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.115707446
@GeorgeWParker: Hmm. Dangerous precedent Clegg disclosing private conversations with Osborne to amuse lib dem conference?