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The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.1 -
If Blatter said today was Wednesday I wouldn’t believe him.FrankBooth said:
I was surprised by what Blatter said recently. That the reason it went to Qatar was down to the UEFA votes when he thought the USA was the best option.ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-636558702 -
She says the notes jump around on the stave when she looks at them, which is not ideal. If she takes her time, she can read it. She's very intelligent, but is bad at maths - I think the same thing happens with fractions as well. But she can read text perfectly well.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
In the useless skills department, I can read a book that is upside down as quickly as I can read one that is the right way up.0 -
I couldn't actually get thelink to work. Was it Fifa stopping the filming?ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-63655870
It wouldn't be desperately surprising. If fifa was a state it would be one of the grottier ones. Probably one of the ones siding with Russia.0 -
Incorrectly, as it turned out. There was never any law that was broken by being 5 miles from home.kyf_100 said:
The police were arresting people for being more than five miles from their home. You want to make their job easier?kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.0 -
Comes to something when massaive bribery would be the only way the decision would make any logical sense, given the place is no large enough to leave a footballing legacy of any size, and its too damn hot to play football there in the summer when it was supposed to be held (even if stadiums are super cooled).ThomasNashe said:
If Blatter said today was Wednesday I wouldn’t believe him.FrankBooth said:
I was surprised by what Blatter said recently. That the reason it went to Qatar was down to the UEFA votes when he thought the USA was the best option.ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-63655870
If people weren't bribed the decision is totally inexplicable.1 -
Not quite the right comparison, though.HYUFD said:
For the country maybe for the party probably not given current polls for the Tories still worse than when Boris leftClippP said:
Obviously, since it takes about a fortnight for events to have an impact on public opinion. Johnson was a loser for the Tories - well, he is a loser - so they did the right thing for the party and the country in dumping him.HYUFD said:
Still doing better than Truss, even if still clearly behind where Boris was when Tory MPs forced him out in JulyAndy_JS said:
Horrible for the Tories. Rishi not cutting through.StuartDickson said:YouGov, the only pollster to correctly weigh geographical sub-samples:
London
Lab 55%
Con 17%
LD 11%
Grn 8%
Ref 7%
Rest of South
Lab 40%
Con 33%
LD 15%
Grn 5%
Ref 5%
Midlands and Wales
Lab 51%
Con 25%
Ref 7%
LD 7%
Grn 4%
PC 3%
North
Lab 61%
Con 20%
Ref 5%
LD 5%
Grn 4%
Scotland
SNP 44%
Lab 27%
Con 16%
LD 6%
Grn 3%
Ref 2%
(YouGov / The Times; Sample Size: 1708; Fieldwork: 9th - 10th November 2022)
A better (but impossible) one would be Sunak now vs. how Johnson would have been doing now.
We can't tell, but Johnson now would probably be doing worse than Johnson then. Partly because the economy would still be in a bad way and partly because Johnson still hanging on would have been really really undignified.3 -
Sounds like dyslexia, or something similar.JosiasJessop said:
She says the notes jump around on the stave when she looks at them, which is not ideal. If she takes her time, she can read it. She's very intelligent, but is bad at maths - I think the same thing happens with fractions as well. But she can read text perfectly well.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
In the useless skills department, I can read a book that is upside down as quickly as I can read one that is the right way up.0 -
The PB Toy Soldiers are one of the worst elements of this site. You are too soft on them.kle4 said:
I grant that one is a tad unreasonable. But not many were that full throttle without any wiggle room.Chris said:
Presumably you missed comments like this one (in response to a suggestion that it may not have been an intentional Russian attack):kle4 said:
Pretty sure anyone suggesting full blown war still qualified things with 'if' Russia was indeed responsible. So they probably wouldn't need to say they were wrong at all, unless they accepted even a Russian mistake would not be a casus belli for all out WW3.Chris said:Just checking - I know people never like to admit they're wrong, but is anyone still suggesting we should start World War Three because of the incident yesterday in Poland?
"Bollocks to that. We should use it as a pretext to destroy every Russian plane, tank, barrel and soldier on Ukrainian sovereign territory and have done with this thing. "
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"If she was in Winchester, I would not be worried. It is the 5 miles of countryside that makes me fear for her."turbotubbs said:
Incorrectly, as it turned out. There was never any law that was broken by being 5 miles from home.kyf_100 said:
The police were arresting people for being more than five miles from their home. You want to make their job easier?kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
(Or words to that effect - I forget the precise quotation.)0 -
That's my vague thinking. Yet she can read books well, and is very highly educated. It must be something to do with things being on different horizontal lines but needing to be read at the same time, unlike books in English, where you read the line, then move down to the next one. Perhaps.Cookie said:
Sounds like dyslexia, or something similar.JosiasJessop said:
She says the notes jump around on the stave when she looks at them, which is not ideal. If she takes her time, she can read it. She's very intelligent, but is bad at maths - I think the same thing happens with fractions as well. But she can read text perfectly well.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
In the useless skills department, I can read a book that is upside down as quickly as I can read one that is the right way up.0 -
I am interested to see what happens with council tax. The government hasn't really had a clue what to do for ages, and has been reducing central government grants, so has done things like temporarily extend the upper limit before a referendum, or allowing a social care levy to be separately applied, but I'm still astonished more councils haven't gone bust already.
BBC says there's been speculation the limit could go up to a 5% increase. From their perspective it should be an easy one to concede - it won't be mandatory on councils, they'll say, and it eases the pressure on central government to do anything around business rates or the like.0 -
might be worth trying the coloured filter trickJosiasJessop said:
That's my vague thinking. Yet she can read books well, and is very highly educated. It must be something to do with things being on different horizontal lines but needing to be read at the same time, unlike books in English, where you read the line, then move down to the next one. Perhaps.Cookie said:
Sounds like dyslexia, or something similar.JosiasJessop said:
She says the notes jump around on the stave when she looks at them, which is not ideal. If she takes her time, she can read it. She's very intelligent, but is bad at maths - I think the same thing happens with fractions as well. But she can read text perfectly well.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
In the useless skills department, I can read a book that is upside down as quickly as I can read one that is the right way up.1 -
Also, I doubt he'd tell you what day it was until you slipped him a few bob for 'advisory work' a la Platini.ThomasNashe said:
If Blatter said today was Wednesday I wouldn’t believe him.FrankBooth said:
I was surprised by what Blatter said recently. That the reason it went to Qatar was down to the UEFA votes when he thought the USA was the best option.ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-636558702 -
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
A glimpse into just how quickly, given the right circumstances (or the right manipulation), we could all find ourselves living in a police state.2 -
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Italy 12.8%
Germany 11.6%
UK 11.1%0 -
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kyf_100 said:
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
A glimpse into just how quickly, given the right circumstances (or the right manipulation), we could all find ourselves living in a police state.
Regrettably, I think there is some truth in that. The covid period exposed a scarily authoritarian tendency on people to control the lives of others.
I remember a poll that emerged in the midst of it all which revealed a substantial proportion of people thought nightclubs should be closed forever.
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Link?Scott_xP said:Sky have the leaked budget details if anyone is interested
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I wouldn't go that far, but I do think people are oddly comfortable assuming the police operate appropriately, when given the nature of their power over us we need to be constantly on the watch for their mistakes, which sadly are far from uncommon.kyf_100 said:
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
A glimpse into just how quickly, given the right circumstances (or the right manipulation), we could all find ourselves living in a police state.
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I've suggested that. Sadly, coloured filters will not help my singing. Ear protectors might help those around me when I do sing...Scott_xP said:
might be worth trying the coloured filter trickJosiasJessop said:
That's my vague thinking. Yet she can read books well, and is very highly educated. It must be something to do with things being on different horizontal lines but needing to be read at the same time, unlike books in English, where you read the line, then move down to the next one. Perhaps.Cookie said:
Sounds like dyslexia, or something similar.JosiasJessop said:
She says the notes jump around on the stave when she looks at them, which is not ideal. If she takes her time, she can read it. She's very intelligent, but is bad at maths - I think the same thing happens with fractions as well. But she can read text perfectly well.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
In the useless skills department, I can read a book that is upside down as quickly as I can read one that is the right way up.
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Autumn Statement: Key message we be about addressing inflation, which at a 41-year high. What to expect on tax rises and sending cuts in order to get national debt falling w/in 5 years: Expect CX to outline £54bn of tax rises/spending cuts in total. What will it look like? 🧵Benpointer said:
Link?Scott_xP said:Sky have the leaked budget details if anyone is interested
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/15929637100581232651 -
Many months ago I suggested on here that the selected stadium in Liverpool for the UEFA bid might not be Anfield.
To universal derision.
Vindication is mine.1 -
If Johnson was still PM and Sunak still Chancellor there would have been no Truss and Kwarteng mini budget disaster.Stuartinromford said:
Not quite the right comparison, though.HYUFD said:
For the country maybe for the party probably not given current polls for the Tories still worse than when Boris leftClippP said:
Obviously, since it takes about a fortnight for events to have an impact on public opinion. Johnson was a loser for the Tories - well, he is a loser - so they did the right thing for the party and the country in dumping him.HYUFD said:
Still doing better than Truss, even if still clearly behind where Boris was when Tory MPs forced him out in JulyAndy_JS said:
Horrible for the Tories. Rishi not cutting through.StuartDickson said:YouGov, the only pollster to correctly weigh geographical sub-samples:
London
Lab 55%
Con 17%
LD 11%
Grn 8%
Ref 7%
Rest of South
Lab 40%
Con 33%
LD 15%
Grn 5%
Ref 5%
Midlands and Wales
Lab 51%
Con 25%
Ref 7%
LD 7%
Grn 4%
PC 3%
North
Lab 61%
Con 20%
Ref 5%
LD 5%
Grn 4%
Scotland
SNP 44%
Lab 27%
Con 16%
LD 6%
Grn 3%
Ref 2%
(YouGov / The Times; Sample Size: 1708; Fieldwork: 9th - 10th November 2022)
A better (but impossible) one would be Sunak now vs. how Johnson would have been doing now.
We can't tell, but Johnson now would probably be doing worse than Johnson then. Partly because the economy would still be in a bad way and partly because Johnson still hanging on would have been really really undignified.
Reform would also not be on 5 to 7%0 -
Scott_xP said:
Autumn Statement: Key message we be about addressing inflation, which at a 41-year high. What to expect on tax rises and sending cuts in order to get national debt falling w/in 5 years: Expect CX to outline £54bn of tax rises/spending cuts in total. What will it look like? 🧵Benpointer said:
Link?Scott_xP said:Sky have the leaked budget details if anyone is interested
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1592963710058123265
SUPPORT: Sunak told me in Bali at #G20 wanted to be “compassionate and fair” in AS
- Benefits expected to be uprated by inflation (govt would have saved £5bn if lifted in line with earnings)
- Pensions expected be up uprated by inflation (honouring manifesto triple lock)
Trying to cut off one line of attack at least.
I'm just soft in general.Anabobazina said:
The PB Toy Soldiers are one of the worst elements of this site. You are too soft on them.kle4 said:
I grant that one is a tad unreasonable. But not many were that full throttle without any wiggle room.Chris said:
Presumably you missed comments like this one (in response to a suggestion that it may not have been an intentional Russian attack):kle4 said:
Pretty sure anyone suggesting full blown war still qualified things with 'if' Russia was indeed responsible. So they probably wouldn't need to say they were wrong at all, unless they accepted even a Russian mistake would not be a casus belli for all out WW3.Chris said:Just checking - I know people never like to admit they're wrong, but is anyone still suggesting we should start World War Three because of the incident yesterday in Poland?
"Bollocks to that. We should use it as a pretext to destroy every Russian plane, tank, barrel and soldier on Ukrainian sovereign territory and have done with this thing. "1 -
Qatari goons as far as one can make out.Cookie said:
I couldn't actually get thelink to work. Was it Fifa stopping the filming?ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-63655870
It wouldn't be desperately surprising. If fifa was a state it would be one of the grottier ones. Probably one of the ones siding with Russia.0 -
Brexit strikes again.Andy_JS said:Inflation
Italy 12.8%
Germany 11.6%
UK 11.1%3 -
Autumn Statement: what to expect
- Tax thresholds frozen to 27/8. 45p starts at £125k. Big energy windfall tax
- Benefits + pensions lifted by inflation
- Energy support cont. From Apr 23 typical HH bill capped at £3,000
- £30bn spending cuts. Beyond 2024, cld rise by just 1% https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/15929637100581232650 -
I think it’s much more critical of the Thatcherite mindset… without the “money in his kitty” there’s no dignityDavidL said:
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I always picture 'Dim' from A Clockwork Orange when thinking about this.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.0 -
I am eagerly awaiting their call to bomb the shit out of Ukraine following their cowardly unprovoked attack on a NATO ally.Anabobazina said:
The PB Toy Soldiers are one of the worst elements of this site. You are too soft on them.kle4 said:
I grant that one is a tad unreasonable. But not many were that full throttle without any wiggle room.Chris said:
Presumably you missed comments like this one (in response to a suggestion that it may not have been an intentional Russian attack):kle4 said:
Pretty sure anyone suggesting full blown war still qualified things with 'if' Russia was indeed responsible. So they probably wouldn't need to say they were wrong at all, unless they accepted even a Russian mistake would not be a casus belli for all out WW3.Chris said:Just checking - I know people never like to admit they're wrong, but is anyone still suggesting we should start World War Three because of the incident yesterday in Poland?
"Bollocks to that. We should use it as a pretext to destroy every Russian plane, tank, barrel and soldier on Ukrainian sovereign territory and have done with this thing. "1 -
But there would have been 4 more months of relentless media battering over Pincher-Paterson-Party-gate.HYUFD said:
If Johnson was still PM and Sunak still Chancellor there would have been no Truss and Kwarteng mini budget disaster.Stuartinromford said:
Not quite the right comparison, though.HYUFD said:
For the country maybe for the party probably not given current polls for the Tories still worse than when Boris leftClippP said:
Obviously, since it takes about a fortnight for events to have an impact on public opinion. Johnson was a loser for the Tories - well, he is a loser - so they did the right thing for the party and the country in dumping him.HYUFD said:
Still doing better than Truss, even if still clearly behind where Boris was when Tory MPs forced him out in JulyAndy_JS said:
Horrible for the Tories. Rishi not cutting through.StuartDickson said:YouGov, the only pollster to correctly weigh geographical sub-samples:
London
Lab 55%
Con 17%
LD 11%
Grn 8%
Ref 7%
Rest of South
Lab 40%
Con 33%
LD 15%
Grn 5%
Ref 5%
Midlands and Wales
Lab 51%
Con 25%
Ref 7%
LD 7%
Grn 4%
PC 3%
North
Lab 61%
Con 20%
Ref 5%
LD 5%
Grn 4%
Scotland
SNP 44%
Lab 27%
Con 16%
LD 6%
Grn 3%
Ref 2%
(YouGov / The Times; Sample Size: 1708; Fieldwork: 9th - 10th November 2022)
A better (but impossible) one would be Sunak now vs. how Johnson would have been doing now.
We can't tell, but Johnson now would probably be doing worse than Johnson then. Partly because the economy would still be in a bad way and partly because Johnson still hanging on would have been really really undignified.
Reform would also not be on 5 to 7%1 -
Platini saddens me because he was a genuinely brilliant footballer, but the rest of them have been lifelong seedy committee men.kle4 said:
Also, I doubt he'd tell you what day it was until you slipped him a few bob for 'advisory work' a la Platini.ThomasNashe said:
If Blatter said today was Wednesday I wouldn’t believe him.FrankBooth said:
I was surprised by what Blatter said recently. That the reason it went to Qatar was down to the UEFA votes when he thought the USA was the best option.ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-636558700 -
My wife learnt to play flute, fiddle and tin whistle by listening. Didn't learn how to read music until she started her music degree.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
Was a bit of a culture shock for her to play music with people in Britain who learnt by reading music first.0 -
A spokesman for Ronald Lauder, longtime friend of Trump and donor to Trump, says the billionaire businessman has no plans to support Trump this time around.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/15929770872706457610 -
Phil Collins can't read music.LostPassword said:My wife learnt to play flute, fiddle and tin whistle by listening. Didn't learn how to read music until she started her music degree.
Was a bit of a culture shock for her to play music with people in Britain who learnt by reading music first.
But, he was a drummer...0 -
Have Tranmere got the gig?dixiedean said:Many months ago I suggested on here that the selected stadium in Liverpool for the UEFA bid might not be Anfield.
To universal derision.
Vindication is mine.2 -
Yes, comrade. I bet you are.Luckyguy1983 said:
I am eagerly awaiting their call to bomb the shit out of Ukraine following their cowardly unprovoked attack on a NATO ally.Anabobazina said:
The PB Toy Soldiers are one of the worst elements of this site. You are too soft on them.kle4 said:
I grant that one is a tad unreasonable. But not many were that full throttle without any wiggle room.Chris said:
Presumably you missed comments like this one (in response to a suggestion that it may not have been an intentional Russian attack):kle4 said:
Pretty sure anyone suggesting full blown war still qualified things with 'if' Russia was indeed responsible. So they probably wouldn't need to say they were wrong at all, unless they accepted even a Russian mistake would not be a casus belli for all out WW3.Chris said:Just checking - I know people never like to admit they're wrong, but is anyone still suggesting we should start World War Three because of the incident yesterday in Poland?
"Bollocks to that. We should use it as a pretext to destroy every Russian plane, tank, barrel and soldier on Ukrainian sovereign territory and have done with this thing. "1 -
O/T but interesting:
"...a 4.6bn-year-old rock that crashed on to a driveway in Gloucestershire last year has provided some of the most compelling evidence to date that water arrived on Earth from asteroids in the outer solar system."
"Extracts from the Winchcombe meteorite also contain extraterrestrial amino acids – prebiotic molecules that are fundamental building blocks for the origin of life."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/16/meteorite-that-landed-in-cotswolds-may-solve-mystery-of-earths-water0 -
So a social democrat budget then.Scott_xP said:Autumn Statement: what to expect
- Tax thresholds frozen to 27/8. 45p starts at £125k. Big energy windfall tax
- Benefits + pensions lifted by inflation
- Energy support cont. From Apr 23 typical HH bill capped at £3,000
- £30bn spending cuts. Beyond 2024, cld rise by just 1% https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1592963710058123265
Establishment capture of Rishi.0 -
Ugh. 'driveway'.Benpointer said:O/T but interesting:
"...a 4.6bn-year-old rock that crashed on to a driveway in Gloucestershire last year has provided some of the most compelling evidence to date that water arrived on Earth from asteroids in the outer solar system."
"Extracts from the Winchcombe meteorite also contain extraterrestrial amino acids – prebiotic molecules that are fundamental building blocks for the origin of life."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/16/meteorite-that-landed-in-cotswolds-may-solve-mystery-of-earths-water0 -
That almost makes it worse - they all chose to become corrupt, money grubbing officials, but he at least had other ways of being involved with football as a result of his playing days. He could have become a terrible manager or smug pundit, anything.ThomasNashe said:
Platini saddens me because he was a genuinely brilliant footballer, but the rest of them have been lifelong seedy committee men.kle4 said:
Also, I doubt he'd tell you what day it was until you slipped him a few bob for 'advisory work' a la Platini.ThomasNashe said:
If Blatter said today was Wednesday I wouldn’t believe him.FrankBooth said:
I was surprised by what Blatter said recently. That the reason it went to Qatar was down to the UEFA votes when he thought the USA was the best option.ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-636558700 -
Ridiculous paranoid bollocks.kyf_100 said:
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
A glimpse into just how quickly, given the right circumstances (or the right manipulation), we could all find ourselves living in a police state.1 -
I remember Prenton Park in its heyday. The shelter at one end ('stand' would be too grand a word) was adorned with giant letters spelling out 'BBC" which, of course, stood for the Birkenhead Brewery Company.ThomasNashe said:
Have Tranmere got the gig?dixiedean said:Many months ago I suggested on here that the selected stadium in Liverpool for the UEFA bid might not be Anfield.
To universal derision.
Vindication is mine.2 -
He didn't need to. He could feel it coming in the air.Scott_xP said:
Phil Collins can't read music.LostPassword said:My wife learnt to play flute, fiddle and tin whistle by listening. Didn't learn how to read music until she started her music degree.
Was a bit of a culture shock for her to play music with people in Britain who learnt by reading music first.
But, he was a drummer...1 -
This is hardly news. He was 'captured by the establishment' circa the age of 12.Casino_Royale said:
So a social democrat budget then.Scott_xP said:Autumn Statement: what to expect
- Tax thresholds frozen to 27/8. 45p starts at £125k. Big energy windfall tax
- Benefits + pensions lifted by inflation
- Energy support cont. From Apr 23 typical HH bill capped at £3,000
- £30bn spending cuts. Beyond 2024, cld rise by just 1% https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1592963710058123265
Establishment capture of Rishi.0 -
So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.0 -
I find it amazing that we're still unsure how water got to Earth. It's one of the questions the various asteroid missions are trying to solve. It'd be funny if a meteorite landing in Gloucestershire helped prove something that missions costing hundreds of millions did not.Benpointer said:O/T but interesting:
"...a 4.6bn-year-old rock that crashed on to a driveway in Gloucestershire last year has provided some of the most compelling evidence to date that water arrived on Earth from asteroids in the outer solar system."
"Extracts from the Winchcombe meteorite also contain extraterrestrial amino acids – prebiotic molecules that are fundamental building blocks for the origin of life."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/16/meteorite-that-landed-in-cotswolds-may-solve-mystery-of-earths-water
And that we may have had a molten rock atmosphere for a few years after the Theia impact. Possibly.0 -
UK RPI inflation is now 14.2%Andy_JS said:Inflation
Italy 12.8%
Germany 11.6%
UK 11.1%0 -
You coulda been someone. You coulda been Lawro!kle4 said:
That almost makes it worse - they all chose to become corrupt, money grubbing officials, but he at least had other ways of being involved with football as a result of his playing days. He could have become a terrible manager or smug pundit, anything.ThomasNashe said:
Platini saddens me because he was a genuinely brilliant footballer, but the rest of them have been lifelong seedy committee men.kle4 said:
Also, I doubt he'd tell you what day it was until you slipped him a few bob for 'advisory work' a la Platini.ThomasNashe said:
If Blatter said today was Wednesday I wouldn’t believe him.FrankBooth said:
I was surprised by what Blatter said recently. That the reason it went to Qatar was down to the UEFA votes when he thought the USA was the best option.ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-636558700 -
Surely a deliberate leak, so the market doesn’t have any surprises?Scott_xP said:
Autumn Statement: Key message we be about addressing inflation, which at a 41-year high. What to expect on tax rises and sending cuts in order to get national debt falling w/in 5 years: Expect CX to outline £54bn of tax rises/spending cuts in total. What will it look like? 🧵Benpointer said:
Link?Scott_xP said:Sky have the leaked budget details if anyone is interested
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/15929637100581232650 -
One of my favourite away days. Play off semi 2nd leg in 1993. Lost 3-2 on the day, but won 5-4 on aggregate. At the end the Tranmere fans stormed onto the pitch, fan towards us in the away end and gave us a huge round of applause (reciprocated). Many fans swapped scarves etc. Had a great respect for Tranmere ever since (although it was soured by a floodlight failure one night at Swindon when Tranmere were leading. Game called off and Town won the rearranged fixture…).Alphabet_Soup said:
I remember Prenton Park in its heyday. The shelter at one end ('stand' would be too grand a word) was adorned with giant letters spelling out 'BBC" which, of course, stood for the Birkenhead Brewery Company.ThomasNashe said:
Have Tranmere got the gig?dixiedean said:Many months ago I suggested on here that the selected stadium in Liverpool for the UEFA bid might not be Anfield.
To universal derision.
Vindication is mine.0 -
You’ve been voting for them all this time, and not noticed that you’re almost the youngest person in the lobby? Apart from young HY, obvs.Casino_Royale said:So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.0 -
MH17 trial verdict in NL tomorrow2
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He could've been anything that he wanted to bekle4 said:
That almost makes it worse - they all chose to become corrupt, money grubbing officials, but he at least had other ways of being involved with football as a result of his playing days. He could have become a terrible manager or smug pundit, anything.ThomasNashe said:
Platini saddens me because he was a genuinely brilliant footballer, but the rest of them have been lifelong seedy committee men.kle4 said:
Also, I doubt he'd tell you what day it was until you slipped him a few bob for 'advisory work' a la Platini.ThomasNashe said:
If Blatter said today was Wednesday I wouldn’t believe him.FrankBooth said:
I was surprised by what Blatter said recently. That the reason it went to Qatar was down to the UEFA votes when he thought the USA was the best option.ThomasNashe said:
Tbh. I think it’s FIFA we should be focusing on, rather than Qatar.Cookie said:
The interesting thing about that is the Qataris not appearing to think that this would look bad in any way. Surely, these guys must think, all states operate like this?ThomasNashe said:
And so it begins …algarkirk said:Have we covered this, worth 2 minutes of your life:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-63655870
But don't it make your heart glad
That he decided, a fact he take pride in
He became the best at being bad0 -
And Half Man Half Biscuit as their most famous supporters. What’s not to like?turbotubbs said:
One of my favourite away days. Play off semi 2nd leg in 1993. Lost 3-2 on the day, but won 5-4 on aggregate. At the end the Tranmere fans stormed onto the pitch, fan towards us in the away end and gave us a huge round of applause (reciprocated). Many fans swapped scarves etc. Had a great respect for Tranmere ever since (although it was soured by a floodlight failure one night at Swindon when Tranmere were leading. Game called off and Town won the rearranged fixture…).Alphabet_Soup said:
I remember Prenton Park in its heyday. The shelter at one end ('stand' would be too grand a word) was adorned with giant letters spelling out 'BBC" which, of course, stood for the Birkenhead Brewery Company.ThomasNashe said:
Have Tranmere got the gig?dixiedean said:Many months ago I suggested on here that the selected stadium in Liverpool for the UEFA bid might not be Anfield.
To universal derision.
Vindication is mine.5 -
I’m not so sure; it was a window on human nature, if the circumstances allowed. WWII revealed a lot of dark stuff about human nature, too, mostly hushed up by the media and subsequent history, and of course the German occupiers of the Channel Islands got sent far more denunciations than they could handle.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Ridiculous paranoid bollocks.kyf_100 said:
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
A glimpse into just how quickly, given the right circumstances (or the right manipulation), we could all find ourselves living in a police state.
Hence in normal times it is important to remain ever-vigilant on threats to our liberties.2 -
The other day my father received a letter from the government telling him he's getting a £500 winter fuel allowance, because you know he really needs it.Casino_Royale said:So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.
He's donating it to charity.
Absolute fucking pissing money up the wall for those who don't need it.3 -
Rachel Riley has been awarded £50,000 in damages after a political blogger accused her of bullying a teenage girl online.
The co-presenter of Countdown sued Mike Sivier for libel after he described her as a “serial abuser” in an article he published on his website.
The piece was published in 2019 and discussed a debate on Twitter about antisemitism in Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party. It referenced tweets exchanged between Riley, whose mother is Jewish, and a user who identified as a 16-year-old girl called Rose.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/countdown-presenter-rachel-riley-wins-50-000-for-abuser-libel-vm6nb32px0 -
Good eveningCasino_Royale said:
So a social democrat budget then.Scott_xP said:Autumn Statement: what to expect
- Tax thresholds frozen to 27/8. 45p starts at £125k. Big energy windfall tax
- Benefits + pensions lifted by inflation
- Energy support cont. From Apr 23 typical HH bill capped at £3,000
- £30bn spending cuts. Beyond 2024, cld rise by just 1% https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1592963710058123265
Establishment capture of Rishi.
Rigby's speculation has been general knowledge and widely reported elsewhere for some days
I prefer to wait and listen to the real thing tomorrow where there will be much more detail but also the OBR report
I would be very surprised if the detail does not cause a major reevaluation for labour's plans0 -
It’s not been a mystery down here today, I can assure you.JosiasJessop said:
I find it amazing that we're still unsure how water got to Earth. It's one of the questions the various asteroid missions are trying to solve. It'd be funny if a meteorite landing in Gloucestershire helped prove something that missions costing hundreds of millions did not.Benpointer said:O/T but interesting:
"...a 4.6bn-year-old rock that crashed on to a driveway in Gloucestershire last year has provided some of the most compelling evidence to date that water arrived on Earth from asteroids in the outer solar system."
"Extracts from the Winchcombe meteorite also contain extraterrestrial amino acids – prebiotic molecules that are fundamental building blocks for the origin of life."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/16/meteorite-that-landed-in-cotswolds-may-solve-mystery-of-earths-water
And that we may have had a molten rock atmosphere for a few years after the Theia impact. Possibly.2 -
I would though be wary with some comparisons, do they calculate the same as we do, with house price in or out for example. And what measures are other countries taking to reduce their inflation rate? For example you do know UK inflation rate announced today would be 13.8 not 11.1 without government policy bucking the energy market? And that doesn’t come free, in fact it doesn’t come cheap. Bucking UK energy market till April - will be interesting how OBR cost it, but unlikely less than £50bn based on Truss GDP adverts for the full whack version.turbotubbs said:
Brexit strikes again.Andy_JS said:Inflation
Italy 12.8%
Germany 11.6%
UK 11.1%0 -
My lay is because I anticipate all polling hell is going to be let loose on Rishi following this budget, and Tory MP mutterings will start again.TheScreamingEagles said:
The other day my father received a letter from the government telling him he's getting a £500 winter fuel allowance, because you know he really needs it.Casino_Royale said:So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.
He's donating it to charity.
Absolute fucking pissing money up the wall for those who don't need it.
Keir Starmer won't be next PM if he's defenestrated before the next election. And there are still potentially over 2 years to go.0 -
A long winded answer to an obvious joke…MoonRabbit said:
I would though be wary with some comparisons, do they calculate the same as we do, with house price in or out for example. And what measures are other countries taking to reduce their inflation rate? For example you do know UK inflation rate announced today would be 13.8 not 11.1 without government policy bucking the energy market? And that doesn’t come free, in fact it doesn’t come cheap. Bucking UK energy market till April - will be interesting how OBR cost it, but unlikely less than £50bn based on Truss GDP adverts for the full whack version.turbotubbs said:
Brexit strikes again.Andy_JS said:Inflation
Italy 12.8%
Germany 11.6%
UK 11.1%0 -
The bit that i have always found perplexing is the sheer quantity of water on planet earth. It is incredible. Getting my head around the idea that this arrived by asteroid collusions is...difficult. There must have been millions of collusions to achieve this. Why not the other planets? There is some sign of some water having been on Mars but not really elsewhere that I am aware of.JosiasJessop said:
I find it amazing that we're still unsure how water got to Earth. It's one of the questions the various asteroid missions are trying to solve. It'd be funny if a meteorite landing in Gloucestershire helped prove something that missions costing hundreds of millions did not.Benpointer said:O/T but interesting:
"...a 4.6bn-year-old rock that crashed on to a driveway in Gloucestershire last year has provided some of the most compelling evidence to date that water arrived on Earth from asteroids in the outer solar system."
"Extracts from the Winchcombe meteorite also contain extraterrestrial amino acids – prebiotic molecules that are fundamental building blocks for the origin of life."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/16/meteorite-that-landed-in-cotswolds-may-solve-mystery-of-earths-water
And that we may have had a molten rock atmosphere for a few years after the Theia impact. Possibly.0 -
I remember that. You did. Fair play to you.dixiedean said:Many months ago I suggested on here that the selected stadium in Liverpool for the UEFA bid might not be Anfield.
To universal derision.
Vindication is mine.
Is there a document anywhere I can read? I have only seen the BBC story so far - it’s fairly thin.0 -
I'm the reverse. I cannot play any instrument to even the slightest degree but can read music very well because my mother was a music teacher. She used to pay me to mark her homework while she watched Coronation Street or experimented with cutting the dog's hair to make it look like Gail Tilsley.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
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If you wanted to leak complicated and not particularly palatable commercial information out would you really choose Beth Rigby? Not sure I would.IanB2 said:
Surely a deliberate leak, so the market doesn’t have any surprises?Scott_xP said:
Autumn Statement: Key message we be about addressing inflation, which at a 41-year high. What to expect on tax rises and sending cuts in order to get national debt falling w/in 5 years: Expect CX to outline £54bn of tax rises/spending cuts in total. What will it look like? 🧵Benpointer said:
Link?Scott_xP said:Sky have the leaked budget details if anyone is interested
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I wonder if that's true anymore.ClippP said:
Obviously, since it takes about a fortnight for events to have an impact on public opinion. Johnson was a loser for the Tories - well, he is a loser - so they did the right thing for the party and the country in dumping him.HYUFD said:
Still doing better than Truss, even if still clearly behind where Boris was when Tory MPs forced him out in JulyAndy_JS said:
Horrible for the Tories. Rishi not cutting through.StuartDickson said:YouGov, the only pollster to correctly weigh geographical sub-samples:
London
Lab 55%
Con 17%
LD 11%
Grn 8%
Ref 7%
Rest of South
Lab 40%
Con 33%
LD 15%
Grn 5%
Ref 5%
Midlands and Wales
Lab 51%
Con 25%
Ref 7%
LD 7%
Grn 4%
PC 3%
North
Lab 61%
Con 20%
Ref 5%
LD 5%
Grn 4%
Scotland
SNP 44%
Lab 27%
Con 16%
LD 6%
Grn 3%
Ref 2%
(YouGov / The Times; Sample Size: 1708; Fieldwork: 9th - 10th November 2022)
The Mini-budget started affecting polls pretty much straight away and it was around a week later that the polling was at it's worst - which is pretty quick, when you consider probably the biggest cut-through was a few days after the budget, when mortgage providers started pulling rates.
When Sunak took over, the poll lead dropped within a couple of days, and within a week he seems to have reached the full impact.
When Partygate broke it started a little slowly, but the first big news was the Allegra Stratton jokes, and the polls changed almost immediately.
I suspect that the "two week rule" only really applies to developing stories, where they might blow over, but once an event hits, constant internet commentary and social media outrage means it's more of a one week rule, and in many case just one day.0 -
I spoke to a Tory MP* the other day, they kinda agree with your assessment, they reckon once Boris Johnson loses a recall election then the firewall against Rishi collapses.Casino_Royale said:
My lay is because I anticipate all polling hell is going to be let loose on Rishi following this budget, and Tory MP mutterings will start again.TheScreamingEagles said:
The other day my father received a letter from the government telling him he's getting a £500 winter fuel allowance, because you know he really needs it.Casino_Royale said:So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.
He's donating it to charity.
Absolute fucking pissing money up the wall for those who don't need it.
Keir Starmer won't be next PM if he's defenestrated before the next election. And there are still potentially over 2 years to go.
Right now the fear of Boris Johnson/Sir Graham Brady's revelation is keeping Sunak safe.
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I'm in my 40s mate.IanB2 said:
You’ve been voting for them all this time, and not noticed that you’re almost the youngest person in the lobby? Apart from young HY, obvs.Casino_Royale said:So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.
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This is paranoid hyperbole imo.kyf_100 said:
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
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But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
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I am convinced that the energy price should be capped handsomely for the first 'xx' used and go up in bands thereafter. This would encourage energy saving enormously, and reassure the poor, who are low users of energy. It is mad to subsidise heating peoples' pools etc. The whole thing is mad frankly, but that part of it is extra mad.MoonRabbit said:
I would though be wary with some comparisons, do they calculate the same as we do, with house price in or out for example. And what measures are other countries taking to reduce their inflation rate? For example you do know UK inflation rate announced today would be 13.8 not 11.1 without government policy bucking the energy market? And that doesn’t come free, in fact it doesn’t come cheap. Bucking UK energy market till April - will be interesting how OBR cost it, but unlikely less than £50bn based on Truss GDP adverts for the full whack version.turbotubbs said:
Brexit strikes again.Andy_JS said:Inflation
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I just don't see where the defenestration is coming from. Truss was ditched because polling collapses and, crucially, she'd done no work to prepare her MPs for either what she planned to do or the reaction to it. They mutinied as they knew the party was screwed and they hadn't signed on for that direction.Casino_Royale said:
My lay is because I anticipate all polling hell is going to be let loose on Rishi following this budget, and Tory MP mutterings will start again.TheScreamingEagles said:
The other day my father received a letter from the government telling him he's getting a £500 winter fuel allowance, because you know he really needs it.Casino_Royale said:So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.
He's donating it to charity.
Absolute fucking pissing money up the wall for those who don't need it.
Keir Starmer won't be next PM if he's defenestrated before the next election. And there are still potentially over 2 years to go.
Sunak came in and everyone knew there was going to be a reversal of Truss's policies. So while I am sure polling is going to go south again for Rishi, since even if people claim to think tax rises are necessary they don't mean it, the MPs knew what the plan was going to be.
I mean, what alternative policy option would they go for if they ditch Sunak? Ain't no time for a halfway house, and who would propose that anyway?
Truss screwed so badly she proved wrong those of us who figured they party could not possibly ditch her so soon. But twice?0 -
For some reason tales of your escapades remind me of Timothy Lea books.BlancheLivermore said:Had some fun with Mrs Dyldo today
I had three small packages for her. Two went through the letterbox but the third - a half length poster tube, pretty suspicious size and shape - wouldn't fit
She wasn't in and her garden gate was locked. Looking for somewhere safe to leave it, I noticed a pair of wellies by the door, with one boot pushed into the other. I pulled them apart, put the tube between and put them back together
I then wrote my 739 (the red card we leave when nobody's in); I ticked "in your safe place" and wrote:
"Between your rubberwylliesboots"
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Saves time in the bath? Or possibly gives you a heads up at a review? Not hugely useful otherwise.JosiasJessop said:
She says the notes jump around on the stave when she looks at them, which is not ideal. If she takes her time, she can read it. She's very intelligent, but is bad at maths - I think the same thing happens with fractions as well. But she can read text perfectly well.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
In the useless skills department, I can read a book that is upside down as quickly as I can read one that is the right way up.0 -
When Ukraine shot down iberia Airlines Flight 1812 back in 2001, they admitted fault within a few months, and paid compensation (the behaviour of the S-200 missile in that case is interesting with respect to yesterday's events, as is the Russian reaction at the time.BlancheLivermore said:MH17 trial verdict in NL tomorrow
When the USS Vincennes shot down an airliner in 1988, the US admitted responsibility within days.
When Iran shot down Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 in 2020, they admitted responsibility within three days.
Yesterday, the allies admitted it was probably a Ukrainian-fired missile well within a day, once firmer information came along.
And yet Russia continues to deny responsibility for MH17, and indeed tries to blame everyone else, using excuses that are only believed by tankies, fools or shills. The Soviets weren't very good after the Korean KAL007 shootdown, either.
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There is a lot of hydrogen in the universe, and a fair bit of oxygen. The trouble with seeing where the water came from is that we see the solar system as it is now, with seemingly very little water. The early solar system was likely very different. The rocky planets are believed to have coalesced out of fragments that were originally distributed in rings around the orbits. You can envisage the nascent, but very warm planet being bombarded with icy meteorites over the ages, and eventually cooling enough to have the oceans that we have now.DavidL said:
The bit that i have always found perplexing is the sheer quantity of water on planet earth. It is incredible. Getting my head around the idea that this arrived by asteroid collusions is...difficult. There must have been millions of collusions to achieve this. Why not the other planets? There is some sign of some water having been on Mars but not really elsewhere that I am aware of.JosiasJessop said:
I find it amazing that we're still unsure how water got to Earth. It's one of the questions the various asteroid missions are trying to solve. It'd be funny if a meteorite landing in Gloucestershire helped prove something that missions costing hundreds of millions did not.Benpointer said:O/T but interesting:
"...a 4.6bn-year-old rock that crashed on to a driveway in Gloucestershire last year has provided some of the most compelling evidence to date that water arrived on Earth from asteroids in the outer solar system."
"Extracts from the Winchcombe meteorite also contain extraterrestrial amino acids – prebiotic molecules that are fundamental building blocks for the origin of life."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/16/meteorite-that-landed-in-cotswolds-may-solve-mystery-of-earths-water
And that we may have had a molten rock atmosphere for a few years after the Theia impact. Possibly.
Mars, with its reduced gravity likely had plenty of water at one point but most has been lost to space. Venus is too warm. In essence we are in the Goldilocks zone for water worlds, although that’s a bit of a tautology.2 -
As I said, a useless skill. Although it does amuse opticians when I hold the board upside down to read it. As you indicate, it was useful on occasion to read notes of people sitting opposite me in meetings. But mostly useless.DavidL said:
Saves time in the bath? Or possibly gives you a heads up at a review? Not hugely useful otherwise.JosiasJessop said:
She says the notes jump around on the stave when she looks at them, which is not ideal. If she takes her time, she can read it. She's very intelligent, but is bad at maths - I think the same thing happens with fractions as well. But she can read text perfectly well.Scott_xP said:
That is fascinating. I can't imagine learning to play without sight reading.JosiasJessop said:It's odd, and I only realised when I was with a friend who is a brilliant pianist. She, likewise, cannot read sheet music whilst playing; she has to study the music beforehand and memorise it. Which in itself is quite a feat.
I wonder if it is in any way related to the phenomenon Richard Feynman noticed.
Some people can count and read at the same time, but not speak. Some people can count and speak, but not read.
He reckoned some people when they count hear the numbers, some people see them, so whichever method they are doing they can do the other, but they can't do the same thing twice at the same time.
In the useless skills department, I can read a book that is upside down as quickly as I can read one that is the right way up.0 -
I'm intrigued. Not just why, but why now is the right time.Casino_Royale said:Don't have time to go into why now but I've just laid Starmer as next PM at 1.5 for a modest stake.
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I had a search on Twitter earlier to see how the left antisemites were taking it. As expected, total denial and several instances of repeating the libellous tweets.TheScreamingEagles said:Rachel Riley has been awarded £50,000 in damages after a political blogger accused her of bullying a teenage girl online.
The co-presenter of Countdown sued Mike Sivier for libel after he described her as a “serial abuser” in an article he published on his website.
The piece was published in 2019 and discussed a debate on Twitter about antisemitism in Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party. It referenced tweets exchanged between Riley, whose mother is Jewish, and a user who identified as a 16-year-old girl called Rose.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/countdown-presenter-rachel-riley-wins-50-000-for-abuser-libel-vm6nb32px
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You’d be unwise to ignore Beth Rigorous.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good eveningCasino_Royale said:
So a social democrat budget then.Scott_xP said:Autumn Statement: what to expect
- Tax thresholds frozen to 27/8. 45p starts at £125k. Big energy windfall tax
- Benefits + pensions lifted by inflation
- Energy support cont. From Apr 23 typical HH bill capped at £3,000
- £30bn spending cuts. Beyond 2024, cld rise by just 1% https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1592963710058123265
Establishment capture of Rishi.
Rigby's speculation has been general knowledge and widely reported elsewhere for some days
I prefer to wait and listen to the real thing tomorrow where there will be much more detail but also the OBR report
I would be very surprised if the detail does not cause a major reevaluation for labour's
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Any number of minor level functionaries of the state got intoxicated on a small whiff of arbitrary power in 2020. I was still traveling regularly to France in flagrant violation of the regulations and every trip had to be planned and executed as if I were smuggling Gordievsky out of the USSR. Collective insanity had gripped the British state and it lapsed into authoritarianism with remarkable speed and ease.kinabalu said:
This is paranoid hyperbole imo.kyf_100 said:
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
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Truss will return.kle4 said:
I just don't see where the defenestration is coming from. Truss was ditched because polling collapses and, crucially, she'd done no work to prepare her MPs for either what she planned to do or the reaction to it. They mutinied as they knew the party was screwed and they hadn't signed on for that direction.Casino_Royale said:
My lay is because I anticipate all polling hell is going to be let loose on Rishi following this budget, and Tory MP mutterings will start again.TheScreamingEagles said:
The other day my father received a letter from the government telling him he's getting a £500 winter fuel allowance, because you know he really needs it.Casino_Royale said:So, a screw of the workers yet again whilst those out of work are protected.
Why aren't I surprised.
He's donating it to charity.
Absolute fucking pissing money up the wall for those who don't need it.
Keir Starmer won't be next PM if he's defenestrated before the next election. And there are still potentially over 2 years to go.
Sunak came in and everyone knew there was going to be a reversal of Truss's policies. So while I am sure polling is going to go south again for Rishi, since even if people claim to think tax rises are necessary they don't mean it, the MPs knew what the plan was going to be.
I mean, what alternative policy option would they go for if they ditch Sunak? Ain't no time for a halfway house, and who would propose that anyway?
Truss screwed so badly she proved wrong those of us who figured they party could not possibly ditch her so soon. But twice?
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The footage is all out there. The behaviour of the police during this time is on record. Breaking down doors where they suspected "illegal gatherings were taking place. Flying drones across the moors to detect people out on walks. The woman arrested with heavy hands, and charged, at the Sarah Everard vigil. All absolute disgraces that should never be allowed to happen, but actively egged on by members of the public who approved of their actions.kinabalu said:
This is paranoid hyperbole imo.kyf_100 said:
I think it's extraordinary how quickly people have forgotten what a frightening, authoritarian police state the UK became during that time. How bad laws were made, how the police massively overreached, and how ordinary people colluded by tattling on their neighbours.Cookie said:
The government introduced restrictions capriciously which were enforced capriciously. (See Greater Manchestee Police tweeting triumphantly aboit closing down children's birthday parties etc.) Imagine what they could do empowered by movement data.kinabalu said:
How did the government abuse your Covid data?Cookie said:
I saw that. It was surprisingly brilliant.StillWaters said:
There was one of those cheap reality shows I saw a while back which followed a fraud team at London Underground. The data they have is scaryJosiasJessop said:
An issue is that nowadays it is increasingly easy (well, easier) to create superlinked databases. And that's another issue: just think what data Google or your local supermarket hold about you (if you have not been very careful).kinabalu said:
Let's not do it with a superlinked database that every tom dick & harry in officialdom can access without the requisite controls then.Malmesbury said:
Yes - linking everything together and making it available to every “official” violates every data protection rule and best practise I can think of. It would break data protection *law* unless specificallykinabalu said:Is it the case that the issue is not the Card itself but the linked databases behind it?
A card with a number on it isn’t a particular problem.
It is worth considering that it would also be a constitutional violation in Germany and several other European states.
Let's see what the proposal is (if we get one).
Edit: it is why I don't like some road-charging proposals. I really don't want the government to know where I've been all the time. This government may be fine with that info, but another in a few decades? Then again, ANPR tech can do a lot of that in the background. And the data implications of Oyster cards are also worrying if you are a Londoner.
EDIT:
But yes, I agree with @JosiasJessop . I used to be all in favour of road pricing: I can see very good transport planning arguments in favour of raising revenue that way rather than road tax and fuel tax. But covid changed my mind. I no longer trust government with that sort of data.
A glimpse into just how quickly, given the right circumstances (or the right manipulation), we could all find ourselves living in a police state.
Think we couldn't descend into a fascist, police state quite quickly, given the "right" reasons and enjoying popular public support? The evidence suggests it could all happen again, and very quickly. As others have pointed out, that is why constant vigilance is required and why any attempts to give the police more information that would enable them to gain greater control of ordinary people going about their daily lives should be resisted wherever possible.0 -
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Inflations so bad I can't even pay attention. 🤭turbotubbs said:
A long winded answer to an obvious joke…MoonRabbit said:
I would though be wary with some comparisons, do they calculate the same as we do, with house price in or out for example. And what measures are other countries taking to reduce their inflation rate? For example you do know UK inflation rate announced today would be 13.8 not 11.1 without government policy bucking the energy market? And that doesn’t come free, in fact it doesn’t come cheap. Bucking UK energy market till April - will be interesting how OBR cost it, but unlikely less than £50bn based on Truss GDP adverts for the full whack version.turbotubbs said:
Brexit strikes again.Andy_JS said:Inflation
Italy 12.8%
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What a surprise, Big G offers no judgment apart from that the news will be bad for Labour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good eveningCasino_Royale said:
So a social democrat budget then.Scott_xP said:Autumn Statement: what to expect
- Tax thresholds frozen to 27/8. 45p starts at £125k. Big energy windfall tax
- Benefits + pensions lifted by inflation
- Energy support cont. From Apr 23 typical HH bill capped at £3,000
- £30bn spending cuts. Beyond 2024, cld rise by just 1% https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1592963710058123265
Establishment capture of Rishi.
Rigby's speculation has been general knowledge and widely reported elsewhere for some days
I prefer to wait and listen to the real thing tomorrow where there will be much more detail but also the OBR report
I would be very surprised if the detail does not cause a major reevaluation for labour's plans
What a pathetic Tory stooge.0
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