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I might look to invest in Geiger Counter Ltd.Leon said:
lol. You think a NUCLEAR BOMB GOING OFF will stabilise markets and make people keen to invest?Gardenwalker said:I’m not sure a nuclear escalation creates a worldwide depression.
Possibly even the reverse if it hastens Putin’s end.
I posted that as a joke, but it is worth looking up. Their shares are doing really quite well at the moment.0 -
In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/11
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"Get Britain Moving" sounds like a good slogan for ex-laxScott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow in the late 30s, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.3 -
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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Who has the grimmest mood right now - Russia or the Tories ?0
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Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!1 -
Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”3 -
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!0 -
might have been a tell to men of the world such as yourself but wouldnt have registered with much of the british publicLeon said:In retrospect THE NECKLACE was a massive tell. Someone who is prepared to display their BDSM status to the world, even as Prime Minister of the UK, is someone of extraordinary recklessness, who will do mad things, for good or ill
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Not in the 28 years I've known it.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
If it was worse before that it must have been truly epically grim.0 -
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.0 -
I love a bit of hyperbole. 'Impossible to move house' is utter bullshit. We've been in an exceptional period of low interest rates for the last 15 years. if you had a mortgage and didn't make overpayments to get it down, well maybe you should have. If you thought interest rates could never go up - talk to your parents.Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
Interest rates are rising everywhere. Its not down to KK. We printed a shed load of cash so the economy didn't die in 2020 as half the country were forced to stop working. There was always going to be a price to pay. Its arrived.5 -
Given the current fiscal projections, I'm surprised anyone is having difficulties in the Number Twos department.Nigel_Foremain said:
"Get Britain Moving" sounds like a good slogan for ex-laxScott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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I worry that he just sits on twitter all day, waiting for tweets to post on pb. What a waste of a life. He should be just reading pb. A far better waste of time.Omnium said:
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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Do you say Solihull as in Sole-lee-hull or Solihull as in Solly-'ull ?Mexicanpete said:
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.0 -
One of the current problems is that the Tory membership (once you take our career members etc) is so weird that no-one normal would join just out of ordinary desire for local political engagement. I know hardly anyone in this safe Tory seat (about to become a marginal when new boundaries come in) who actually belongs.eek said:
Got to say - the most difficult task here is getting a new PM in place without a membership vote occurring...TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to wheel out my legendary modesty klaxon.Scott_xP said:NEW Chopper's Politics Podcast newsletter
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It's also probably the only reason Liz hasn't already gone...
Although it's great watching a U-turn designed to halt her decline, actually hasten it...
It would do no harm if, impossibly, the Tories could:
Get MPs to appoint a sane One Nation PM, knowing that the next election is lost
Dissolve the current membership and turn off the computer
Put out a 'New Membership Manifesto/Philosophy' written by Rory, Hat, Hunt and Justine Greening (is she still in the party?)
Turn the computer on again.0 -
A double edged sword for Birmingham, is New Street.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
Actual arrival on the platforms - gloomy, subterranean - is pretty depressing. Most UK termini are spacious and open, with high roofs; Birmingham is not; it is darker and smellier than any other terminus I can think of.
But the upside to this is that it is subterranean because it is more central than just about any other city station. So you emerge from the station into the very centre of the city centre. In all honesty, I'd rather have that than what Manchester has: Piccadilly station is nice, but very edge of centre; it's a good ten minutes' walk to the centre of town.0 -
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Perhaps that it what is meant: "Getting Britain Moving by causing the financial markets to shit their pants"Stuartinromford said:
Given the current fiscal projections, I'm surprised anyone is having difficulties in the Number Twos department.Nigel_Foremain said:
"Get Britain Moving" sounds like a good slogan for ex-laxScott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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The latter, and it has been a millstone throughout my career.Nigel_Foremain said:
Do you say Solihull as in Sole-lee-hull or Solihull as in Solly-'ull ?Mexicanpete said:
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.1 -
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
You seem not to have visited the place since 2015.ydoethur said:
Not in the 28 years I've known it.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
If it was worse before that it must have been truly epically grim.0 -
The Chancellor is still in the Tory fridge whilst the hall waits...Omnium said:
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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Is that before or after the recent makeover? It used to be awful (as I recall only too well). Not seen it since myself.Cookie said:
A double edged sword for Birmingham, is New Street.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
Actual arrival on the platforms - gloomy, subterranean - is pretty depressing. Most UK termini are spacious and open, with high roofs; Birmingham is not; it is darker and smellier than any other terminus I can think of.
But the upside to this is that it is subterranean because it is more central than just about any other city station. So you emerge from the station into the very centre of the city centre. In all honesty, I'd rather have that than what Manchester has: Piccadilly station is nice, but very edge of centre; it's a good ten minutes' walk to the centre of town.
BTW not a terminus but a through station.1 -
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That is really sad, I've been haunted by this video for the last couple of days.kjh said:
Did he fall/jump/get pushed out of a window though?Leon said:Bleak but kinda impressive
RUSSIAN RAPPER DIES BY SUICIDE ...
After Being Drafted In War He Opposed
https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/03/russian-rapper-suicide-walkie-ukraine-war/
However bad your day is, at least you aren't going to get drafted in to the Russian Army.0 -
up until the late 70s the west midlands was one of the most prosperous parts of the countryCookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow in the late 30s, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.0 -
Last time I was there was a year ago. Before that I went through it fairly regularly.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You seem not to have visited the place since 2015.ydoethur said:
Not in the 28 years I've known it.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
If it was worse before that it must have been truly epically grim.
Edit - actually, that's not true, I changed trains there back in June.0 -
I'm sure he can answer for himself.turbotubbs said:
I worry that he just sits on twitter all day, waiting for tweets to post on pb. What a waste of a life. He should be just reading pb. A far better waste of time.Omnium said:
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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An example of Armenian ugliness:Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/place/the-architecture-of-churches
They eat there heart out in Armenia when they think of Birmingham's ecclesiastical architecture.0 -
Problem is that Manchester is full of Mancs. Whereas Birmingham is full of the friendliest and funniest people in the world.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”1 -
I am one of the few people in the world that loves the Brummy accent.Mexicanpete said:
The latter, and it has been a millstone throughout my career.Nigel_Foremain said:
Do you say Solihull as in Sole-lee-hull or Solihull as in Solly-'ull ?Mexicanpete said:
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.0 -
Really? What are the Welsh doing there, pushing the Brummies out?Nigel_Foremain said:
Problem is that Manchester is full of Mancs. Whereas Birmingham is full of the friendliest and funniest people in the world.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
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Manchester has a vibe like it thinks it is actually number one which often grates. Some parts of Brum are interesting/pleasant. Near the exhibition centre canal area and near the University are two that spring to mind. I prefer Liverpool, Glasgow and particularly Edinburgh to Manchester.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in Manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”2 -
No disrespect, but that is not a cityalgarkirk said:
An example of Armenian ugliness:Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/place/the-architecture-of-churches
They eat there heart out in Armenia when they think of Birmingham's ecclesiastical architecture.
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Birmingham has less to lift the soul than Manchester or Glasgow or Newcastle (say), but it still has much to recommend it. I'd rather be at large in Birmingham than 90% of Britain's large towns. It beats, say, Northampton, Wigan, Coventry, Mansfield, Sunderland, Telford, Doncaster, Leicester, Walsall or Wolverhampton.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
It's not the most wonderful city in the country. But I'd give it:
Birmingham - it's actually ok.
or
Birmingham - it might be better than you think.
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Ten of thousands of Russian men have diedydoethur said:
Has Liz Truss suggested nuking Dublin?Pulpstar said:Who has the grimmest mood right now - Russia or the Tories ?
If not, I'm going to go with 'Russia.'
Their army has been shown up to be massively underfunded, weak and chaotic.
Hundreds of thousands of russians are leaving the Country.
Their economy is destroyed and they will be a pariah country for decades especially when all what they have done in Ukraine is revealed.
The tories came up with a stupid inept policy which will now not be implemented.
Its a close one
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Or at least find someone else's Tweet about it to copy and paste.Omnium said:
I'm sure he can answer for himself.turbotubbs said:
I worry that he just sits on twitter all day, waiting for tweets to post on pb. What a waste of a life. He should be just reading pb. A far better waste of time.Omnium said:
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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I recently visited that exact monastery!algarkirk said:
An example of Armenian ugliness:Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/place/the-architecture-of-churches
They eat there heart out in Armenia when they think of Birmingham's ecclesiastical architecture.
Armenia has stunning monuments like that, and some quite epic landscapes, but all the towns - Yerevan apart - are hideous. Soviet grey concrete meets drab grey weather. And earthquakes
However the people are brilliant. Kind, generous, funny, clever, curious (in both senses). And the young women are notably beautiful
I strongly recommend a visit. It’s fabulous
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Are you suggesting I did such a thing?Luckyguy1983 said:
Or at least find someone else's Tweet about it to copy and paste.Omnium said:
I'm sure he can answer for himself.turbotubbs said:
I worry that he just sits on twitter all day, waiting for tweets to post on pb. What a waste of a life. He should be just reading pb. A far better waste of time.Omnium said:
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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I quite like Brum and have seen it change quite a bit over the last 50 years, it has some great victorian buildings still, alongside some great modernism, and some ugly concrete brutalism. It has a certain "in your face" energy not found in much of England. There is much less pretension than many other cities, and a more brash materialism that reminds me of America. Every couple of decades they knock things down and rebuild, and sometimes get it right.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
I can see why some don't like it, but I get its vibe. Coventry however is a dump.0 -
I meant funny as in amusing not....ydoethur said:
Really? What are the Welsh doing there, pushing the Brummies out?Nigel_Foremain said:
Problem is that Manchester is full of Mancs. Whereas Birmingham is full of the friendliest and funniest people in the world.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
Since they built Grand Central (the shopping centre, not the station in NYC), immediately above the platforms, New Street is a lot nicer. My only bug-bear is the adjacent tram station is called, er, Grand Central, and NOT New Street.ydoethur said:
Last time I was there was a year ago. Before that I went through it fairly regularly.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You seem not to have visited the place since 2015.ydoethur said:
Not in the 28 years I've known it.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
If it was worse before that it must have been truly epically grim.
Edit - actually, that's not true, I changed trains there back in June.0 -
All the best cities think they are actually number one. Without that self confidence you are nowhere.NorthofStoke said:
Manchester has a vibe like it thinks it is actually number one which often grates. Some parts of Brum are interesting/pleasant. Near the exhibition centre canal area and near the University are two that spring to mind. I prefer Liverpool, Glasgow and particularly Edinburgh to Manchester.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in Manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
Liverpool has a much nicer setting than Manchester due to the waterfront. Not the same cosmopolitan feel as Manchester though. Edinburgh is lovely my favourite British city but suffers for me due to cold weather and being in scotlandNorthofStoke said:
Manchester has a vibe like it thinks it is actually number one which often grates. Some parts of Brum are interesting/pleasant. Near the exhibition centre canal area and near the University are two that spring to mind. I prefer Liverpool, Glasgow and particularly Edinburgh to Manchester.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in Manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”1 -
No, I was making a humorous (I thought) reference to Scott P's oeuvre.Omnium said:
Are you suggesting I did such a thing?Luckyguy1983 said:
Or at least find someone else's Tweet about it to copy and paste.Omnium said:
I'm sure he can answer for himself.turbotubbs said:
I worry that he just sits on twitter all day, waiting for tweets to post on pb. What a waste of a life. He should be just reading pb. A far better waste of time.Omnium said:
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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The post war planners looked at Birmingham and thought how can we resolve to remove buildings of intrinsic historic architechtural beauty and replace them with, for decades a makeshift car park, before building something ugly, dreary and modern? Look no further than Snow Hill Station.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.1 -
He rarely does though. He posts and runs. I think he posts some interesting stuff up here, but I'd love to engage more about them too. Its all a bit relentless.Omnium said:
I'm sure he can answer for himself.turbotubbs said:
I worry that he just sits on twitter all day, waiting for tweets to post on pb. What a waste of a life. He should be just reading pb. A far better waste of time.Omnium said:
Why do you always simply post the opinion of others? (I do think your editorship is pretty good)Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
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Yes Interest rates are rising everywhere but KK managed to add a 1.5% to 2% risk premium to UK interest rates that didn't exist prior to September 23rd..turbotubbs said:
I love a bit of hyperbole. 'Impossible to move house' is utter bullshit. We've been in an exceptional period of low interest rates for the last 15 years. if you had a mortgage and didn't make overpayments to get it down, well maybe you should have. If you thought interest rates could never go up - talk to your parents.Scott_xP said:In just a few minutes, a man is going to stride out in front of these three massive screens that say ‘Getting Britain Moving’ and explain why he was absolutely right to have made it impossible to move house. It feels unbelievable. But that really is going to happen. https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1576946485580922881/photo/1
Interest rates are rising everywhere. Its not down to KK. We printed a shed load of cash so the economy didn't die in 2020 as half the country were forced to stop working. There was always going to be a price to pay. Its arrived.0 -
If any of my Welsh friends pick up on that one, I want to emphasise that it was a joke. I was not inferring that all Welsh people are a bit odd and humourless.Nigel_Foremain said:
I meant funny as in amusing not....ydoethur said:
Really? What are the Welsh doing there, pushing the Brummies out?Nigel_Foremain said:
Problem is that Manchester is full of Mancs. Whereas Birmingham is full of the friendliest and funniest people in the world.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
If Conservative politicians want to educate themselves in what pro growth planning looks like, they need look around in Birmingham. The Council have spent 20 years on rebuilding the centre and it has been transformed from the post-industrial, provincial backwater it was 30 years ago. The point I would make to them is that it was all facilitated by the state. Effective politicians and officers. If you try and leave it all to the market and deregulate everything, nothing good will happen.Carnyx said:
Is that before or after the recent makeover? It used to be awful (as I recall only too well). Not seen it since myself.Cookie said:
A double edged sword for Birmingham, is New Street.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
Actual arrival on the platforms - gloomy, subterranean - is pretty depressing. Most UK termini are spacious and open, with high roofs; Birmingham is not; it is darker and smellier than any other terminus I can think of.
But the upside to this is that it is subterranean because it is more central than just about any other city station. So you emerge from the station into the very centre of the city centre. In all honesty, I'd rather have that than what Manchester has: Piccadilly station is nice, but very edge of centre; it's a good ten minutes' walk to the centre of town.
BTW not a terminus but a through station.
This is the insight that the tories seemed to gain from 2018 - 2020, but now they have subsequently lost; going back in to their comforting ideological delusions about how you get 'growth' - ie by 'deregulating' and 'rolling back the state'.2 -
Bristol is underrated
A strange and fascinating city, with tons of history, and a genuine world class burb in Clifton2 -
I think a fair number of Brummies are descendants of Welsh migration to work the factories in the 19th Century.ydoethur said:
Really? What are the Welsh doing there, pushing the Brummies out?Nigel_Foremain said:
Problem is that Manchester is full of Mancs. Whereas Birmingham is full of the friendliest and funniest people in the world.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
Birmingham has an excellent cricket ground at Edgebasten, where England usually win, and excellent curry shops in Broad street. Do English cities really need anything else?Mexicanpete said:
The post war planners looked at Birmingham and thought how can we resolve to remove buildings of intrinsic historic architechtural beauty and replace them with, for decades a makeshift car park, before building something ugly, dreary and modern? Look no further than Snow Hill Station.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.0 -
That is a bloody long journey you have been on there @ydoethur . Hope you get to your destination soonydoethur said:
Last time I was there was a year ago. Before that I went through it fairly regularly.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You seem not to have visited the place since 2015.ydoethur said:
Not in the 28 years I've known it.Pulpstar said:
Hasn't New Street been improved ?ydoethur said:
Birmingham does of course suffer a bit from the fact the first impression most of us get of it is New Street Station.Cookie said:
I can't speak for its aesthetic appeal back then, but Birmingham definitely wasn't 'a dump' in the 1950s; it was not only one of Britain's boom cities (along with a few others in the Midlands - a boom that was strangled by regional policy which made rich regions poorer without making poor regions richer), but it was also notably innovative in its waste disposal strategy, being a very early adopted of turning waste into energy. A (reasonably) clean and thriving city, even if its modernsit aesthetic wasn't to everyone's taste.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.
That said, I also have the first impressions of my grandmother, whose first words to her mother, on seeing it, moving to the city from Glasgow, were "Oh mother, isn't it awful". Though possibly the impression an arrival through Smethwick and West Brpmwich gives you.
Which would probably lead people to think of St Petersburg or Krakow as an unredeemed dump for the rest of their lives, never mind Birmingham!
If it was worse before that it must have been truly epically grim.
Edit - actually, that's not true, I changed trains there back in June.1 -
True, but if anyone ever deserved a bit of biased positive discrimination it's the Armenians. Here's another monstrous carbuncle from Armenia.MattW said:
No disrespect, but that is not a cityalgarkirk said:
An example of Armenian ugliness:Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/place/the-architecture-of-churches
They eat there heart out in Armenia when they think of Birmingham's ecclesiastical architecture.
It lifts the spirit in ways Liz Truss never quite reaches.
https://www.remotelands.com/travelogues/garni-the-roman-temple-in-armenia/
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If you like it so much, you can have mine. Like a dog t*** on the sole of one's expensive designer trainers, however hard one scubs to remove all evidence, unpleasant traces remain.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am one of the few people in the world that loves the Brummy accent.Mexicanpete said:
The latter, and it has been a millstone throughout my career.Nigel_Foremain said:
Do you say Solihull as in Sole-lee-hull or Solihull as in Solly-'ull ?Mexicanpete said:
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.1 -
Hey Brexit fuckers.
You have so cocked things up. Queues for non-Business class Eurostar stretching for literally hundreds of yards at St. Pancras and having to buy a "data passport" to use my mobile data allowance in France.
Utter, utter fuckers.3 -
Anyway, where were we? Nuclear armageddon?0
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What do you call a Jedi who likes posh lager?
Obi Wan Peroni4 -
Birmingham City Centre
Honestly, the best thing they could do is level the entire thing and start again. And get King Charles to pick the architects
This may be one upside of the impending nuclear war. Radical improvements to British urbanism0 -
Yea, but you can say "I am considerably richer than yow" and it sounds funny. Birmingham folk always sound amusing because they generally are. The Irish are the same. I am proud to have both sets of genes and cultural influenceMexicanpete said:
If you like it so much, you can have mine. Like a dog t*** on the sole of one's expensive designer trainers, however hard one scubs to remove all evidence, unpleasant traces remain.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am one of the few people in the world that loves the Brummy accent.Mexicanpete said:
The latter, and it has been a millstone throughout my career.Nigel_Foremain said:
Do you say Solihull as in Sole-lee-hull or Solihull as in Solly-'ull ?Mexicanpete said:
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.0 -
Bizarrely my little conrer of SE Spain boasts a sizeable population of ex-midlands residents going back aropund 30 years I believe. All that I've met have been very nice although their accents when speaking Spanish are a sound to behold!Nigel_Foremain said:
I am one of the few people in the world that loves the Brummy accent.Mexicanpete said:
The latter, and it has been a millstone throughout my career.Nigel_Foremain said:
Do you say Solihull as in Sole-lee-hull or Solihull as in Solly-'ull ?Mexicanpete said:
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.3 -
Parts a Bristol are glorious with oodles of history. Its a city built on slavery and trying to come to terms with that. I rarely visited until a work trip a few years ago, when I was hugely impressed with the city centre.Leon said:Bristol is underrated
A strange and fascinating city, with tons of history, and a genuine world class burb in Clifton
Other parts are less salubrious, but thats common elsewhere.0 -
Visiting places like Cologne to see the painstakingly reproduced Cathedral, one has to wonder at the wisdom of the New Coventry Cathedral. A mistake of its time.Foxy said:
I quite like Brum and have seen it change quite a bit over the last 50 years, it has some great victorian buildings still, alongside some great modernism, and some ugly concrete brutalism. It has a certain "in your face" energy not found in much of England. There is much less pretension than many other cities, and a more brash materialism that reminds me of America. Every couple of decades they knock things down and rebuild, and sometimes get it right.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
I can see why some don't like it, but I get its vibe. Coventry however is a dump.0 -
Yes but you must get a hardon every time you look down at your black/navy blue passport and think of that sovereignty that we got back (even though we always had it anyway)TOPPING said:Hey Brexit fuckers.
You have so cocked things up. Queues for non-Business class Eurostar stretching for literally hundreds of yards at St. Pancras and having to buy a "data passport" to use my mobile data allowance in France.
Utter, utter fuckers.2 -
It seems 1 half of the tory party is happy to attack the other half for reasons
Sam Coates Sky
@SamCoatesSky
Forget a consensual approach, Kwasi Kwarteng goes in two footed. Says Britain was facing "slow managed decline" (hello Boris! hello Rishi"
And mentions twice 70 year tax burden - again implicit Sunak criticism - at a time when Truss gvt ought to be reaching out to his supporters0 -
Brum is brassy, industrial and mercantile. It would look silly dressed in a Laura Ashley frock like Poundbury,Leon said:Birmingham City Centre
Honestly, the best thing they could do is level the entire thing and start again. And get King Charles to pick the architects
This may be one upside of the impending nuclear war. Radical improvements to British urbanism1 -
Tut tut, using 'yards' - you'll have your remoaner passport taken away, let alone your data passport.TOPPING said:Hey Brexit fuckers.
You have so cocked things up. Queues for non-Business class Eurostar stretching for literally hundreds of yards at St. Pancras and having to buy a "data passport" to use my mobile data allowance in France.
Utter, utter fuckers.1 -
Foxy said:
Clifton is OK, if a bit posho, but the rest of the city is a dump. One of my least favourite sizeable British cities.Leon said:Bristol is underrated
A strange and fascinating city, with tons of history, and a genuine world class burb in Clifton
Strongly disagree. It has a remarkable topography for a start
But then, you think Birmingham is OK!
Diversity of opinion is good
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Kwarteng quickly mentions the screeching u-turn .0
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But the joke is on the speaker, like Beryl Reid's Marlene or Jasper Carrot's Funky Moped rider.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yea, but you can say "I am considerably richer than yow" and it sounds funny. Birmingham folk always sound amusing because they generally are. The Irish are the same. I am proud to have both sets of genes and cultural influenceMexicanpete said:
If you like it so much, you can have mine. Like a dog t*** on the sole of one's expensive designer trainers, however hard one scubs to remove all evidence, unpleasant traces remain.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am one of the few people in the world that loves the Brummy accent.Mexicanpete said:
The latter, and it has been a millstone throughout my career.Nigel_Foremain said:
Do you say Solihull as in Sole-lee-hull or Solihull as in Solly-'ull ?Mexicanpete said:
Architechturally Birminghham is a ****hole, and I speak as someone born and raised next door in once leafy Solihull. But that is not the nub of Mr Granger's argument, he is making an islamophobic point.Nigel_Foremain said:
Quite a sizeable part of my family come from Birmingham area. I think most of them would agree with his assessment.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
The Selfridges building doesn't look to have the mark of the Grand Mosque of Paris about it. So I doubt that was his main thrust.1 -
They want their water back.ydoethur said:
Really? What are the Welsh doing there, pushing the Brummies out?Nigel_Foremain said:
Problem is that Manchester is full of Mancs. Whereas Birmingham is full of the friendliest and funniest people in the world.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
I've only been once in the last few years but really enjoyed it. There was, for want of a better word, a "West Coast" feel to it. Mild climate, a sense the countryside and hills are not far away, a bit alternative and boho. It did seem to have a big homelessness problem though.Foxy said:
Clifton is OK, if a bit posho, but the rest of the city is a dump. One of my least favourite sizeable British cities.Leon said:Bristol is underrated
A strange and fascinating city, with tons of history, and a genuine world class burb in Clifton0 -
Kwasi has an awful habit of reacting to clapping by jumping on it and raising his voice.
He needs some basic public speaking training.
He has an excellent voice for public speaking, but terrible technique.0 -
Is this a speech that was written before this morning, and nobody could face updating it?eek said:It seems 1 half of the tory party is happy to attack the other half for reasons
Sam Coates Sky
@SamCoatesSky
Forget a consensual approach, Kwasi Kwarteng goes in two footed. Says Britain was facing "slow managed decline" (hello Boris! hello Rishi"
And mentions twice 70 year tax burden - again implicit Sunak criticism - at a time when Truss gvt ought to be reaching out to his supporters0 -
Kwarteng making a big thing about the energy package handouts.
Basically what cost Sunak, who was in favour of the handouts, the election vs Truss who was against them.
They are a very weird party.2 -
Many cities think they are rather more brilliant than might objectively be the case. I'd cite Newcastle and Nottingham in this respect. Manchester's certainty of its own brilliance is something else again though. (I say this as a suburban Mancunian with a great deal of affection for the place. But modest we are not in Manchester.)IshmaelZ said:
All the best cities think they are actually number one. Without that self confidence you are nowhere.NorthofStoke said:
Manchester has a vibe like it thinks it is actually number one which often grates. Some parts of Brum are interesting/pleasant. Near the exhibition centre canal area and near the University are two that spring to mind. I prefer Liverpool, Glasgow and particularly Edinburgh to Manchester.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in Manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
You and Sam Coates actually think that we shouldn't be criticising Sunak now, for some reason??Stuartinromford said:
Is this a speech that was written before this morning, and nobody could face updating it?eek said:It seems 1 half of the tory party is happy to attack the other half for reasons
Sam Coates Sky
@SamCoatesSky
Forget a consensual approach, Kwasi Kwarteng goes in two footed. Says Britain was facing "slow managed decline" (hello Boris! hello Rishi"
And mentions twice 70 year tax burden - again implicit Sunak criticism - at a time when Truss gvt ought to be reaching out to his supporters0 -
As someone who lives a mile from St Pancras (magnificent station) and passes through it regularly, I can confidently say that long queues for Eurostar are not a new, Brexity thingLuckyguy1983 said:
Tut tut, using 'yards' - you'll have your remoaner passport taken away, let alone your data passport.TOPPING said:Hey Brexit fuckers.
You have so cocked things up. Queues for non-Business class Eurostar stretching for literally hundreds of yards at St. Pancras and having to buy a "data passport" to use my mobile data allowance in France.
Utter, utter fuckers.
I’ve no idea what data passports are. I go abroad and use my phone. As I always did
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I don't have a problem with anything in that picture other than the Selfridges carbunkle. Most German Cities successfully mix the old with the post war austere.Leon said:Birmingham City Centre
Honestly, the best thing they could do is level the entire thing and start again. And get King Charles to pick the architects
This may be one upside of the impending nuclear war. Radical improvements to British urbanism0 -
Yes good point. Prior to our exit from the EU I was disallowed from using "yards". Now that we are free I can use yards, pints, furlongs and all the rest.Luckyguy1983 said:
Tut tut, using 'yards' - you'll have your remoaner passport taken away, let alone your data passport.TOPPING said:Hey Brexit fuckers.
You have so cocked things up. Queues for non-Business class Eurostar stretching for literally hundreds of yards at St. Pancras and having to buy a "data passport" to use my mobile data allowance in France.
Utter, utter fuckers.
Phewee.0 -
Liverpool has Scousers. Edinburgh is one of my favourite places, but it has Nicola Sturgeon. I guess everywhere has its downsides.PeterM said:
Liverpool has a much nicer setting than Manchester due to the waterfront. Not the same cosmopolitan feel as Manchester though. Edinburgh is lovely my favourite British city but suffers for me due to cold weather and being in scotlandNorthofStoke said:
Manchester has a vibe like it thinks it is actually number one which often grates. Some parts of Brum are interesting/pleasant. Near the exhibition centre canal area and near the University are two that spring to mind. I prefer Liverpool, Glasgow and particularly Edinburgh to Manchester.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in Manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”1 -
In the 80s book The Third World War, Birmingham gets nuked. So….Leon said:Birmingham City Centre
Honestly, the best thing they could do is level the entire thing and start again. And get King Charles to pick the architects
This may be one upside of the impending nuclear war. Radical improvements to British urbanism0 -
I walked past St Cwyfan's Church-in-the-sea on Anglesey, which is spectacularly situated. The name 'in the sea' is very apt:Leon said:
I recently visited that exact monastery!algarkirk said:
An example of Armenian ugliness:Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”
https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/place/the-architecture-of-churches
They eat there heart out in Armenia when they think of Birmingham's ecclesiastical architecture.
Armenia has stunning monuments like that, and some quite epic landscapes, but all the towns - Yerevan apart - are hideous. Soviet grey concrete meets drab grey weather. And earthquakes
However the people are brilliant. Kind, generous, funny, clever, curious (in both senses). And the young women are notably beautiful
I strongly recommend a visit. It’s fabulous
https://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/limeworkstcwyfan/limeworkstcwyfan.htm
(There was some sort of story that the rector used to keep parishioners in late, meaning they were trapped on the island and he could preach for longer.)0 -
a little turbulance reminds me of the green shoots of recovery - Callaghan never actually said 'crisis what crisis'0
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It does look like a bombed German toilet. Like Düsseldorf or Cologne (minus the cathedral)Mexicanpete said:
I don't have a problem with anything in that picture other than the Selfridges carbunkle. Most German Cities successfully mix the old with the post war austere.Leon said:Birmingham City Centre
Honestly, the best thing they could do is level the entire thing and start again. And get King Charles to pick the architects
This may be one upside of the impending nuclear war. Radical improvements to British urbanism
The modern towers are so pathetically STUMPY
At least crap American and Asian cities have properly tall skyscrapers. British towers are so apologetic and weedy. Outside London2 -
And I imagine that Rentokill charge a big price when you have a nasty case of 'Nicola Sturgeon'?Nigel_Foremain said:
Liverpool has Scousers. Edinburgh is one of my favourite places, but it has Nicola Sturgeon. I guess everywhere has its downsides.PeterM said:
Liverpool has a much nicer setting than Manchester due to the waterfront. Not the same cosmopolitan feel as Manchester though. Edinburgh is lovely my favourite British city but suffers for me due to cold weather and being in scotlandNorthofStoke said:
Manchester has a vibe like it thinks it is actually number one which often grates. Some parts of Brum are interesting/pleasant. Near the exhibition centre canal area and near the University are two that spring to mind. I prefer Liverpool, Glasgow and particularly Edinburgh to Manchester.PeterM said:
strange place Birmingham. Supposed to be our 2nd city yet i always find the vibe in Manchester much better and to me Manchester always feels like our 2nd city.Leon said:Is Birmingham really as ugly as “any city in the world”?
Brum is a shocker (like too many British cities) but I suggest there are worse in the ex-USSR, China, Korea, sub Saharan Africa
eg Almost any town in Armenia is uglier than Birmingham
That could be Birmingham’s new motto. “Better than many places in Armenia”0 -
I think the assumption was definitely that Truss would cap energy in some way, though she refused to be drawn on how.noneoftheabove said:Kwarteng making a big thing about the energy package handouts.
Basically what cost Sunak, who was in favour of the handouts, the election vs Truss who was against them.
They are a very weird party.0 -
We’re onto the de-regulation part of this and Kwarteng gets a big cheer when saying he’ll remove those horrible EU rules !
I’m sure workers will be overjoyed when holiday entitlement , and the working time directive etc are gone .2 -
Theres not much behind the curtain is there?
Plenty of talk about growth, but nothing about how to get it1 -
Reminds me of a Jethro joke: It caused a billion pounds worth of improvements.Malmesbury said:
In the 80s book The Third World War, Birmingham gets nuked. So….Leon said:Birmingham City Centre
Honestly, the best thing they could do is level the entire thing and start again. And get King Charles to pick the architects
This may be one upside of the impending nuclear war. Radical improvements to British urbanism1 -
Curry 'shops' in Broad Street?DavidL said:
Birmingham has an excellent cricket ground at Edgebasten, where England usually win, and excellent curry shops in Broad street. Do English cities really need anything else?Mexicanpete said:
The post war planners looked at Birmingham and thought how can we resolve to remove buildings of intrinsic historic architechtural beauty and replace them with, for decades a makeshift car park, before building something ugly, dreary and modern? Look no further than Snow Hill Station.ydoethur said:
That is also true.Nigel_Foremain said:
Ouch. Well someone ought to tell the racist silly twat that Birmingham was even more of a dump before any Muslims settled there.Northern_Al said:
I suspect he's in trouble mainly because he suggested Birmingham's "dumpness" could be attributed to it having one of the highest Muslim population's in Britain, if you follow the thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is why I never went into politics, you get into trouble for speaking the truth.Scott_xP said:Young Tory chair Daniel Grainger has quit his role temporarily after calling Birmingham 'a dump'
I'm told he's stepped down pending an investigation..
@Young_Tories have distanced themselves from his remarks
https://twitter.com/alethaadu/status/1576937343348793344
In fact, Birmingham is ugly as any city in the world and it's as badly planned as a Special Military Operation, but it does have it's good points as well. Some decent civic centres, great shops, and a bustle and energy that's quite uplifting in its own way. It feels very much better now than even thirty years ago.0 -
There you go look, the data passport even allows overblown sarcasm.TOPPING said:
Yes good point. Prior to our exit from the EU I was disallowed from using "yards". Now that we are free I can use yards, pints, furlongs and all the rest.Luckyguy1983 said:
Tut tut, using 'yards' - you'll have your remoaner passport taken away, let alone your data passport.TOPPING said:Hey Brexit fuckers.
You have so cocked things up. Queues for non-Business class Eurostar stretching for literally hundreds of yards at St. Pancras and having to buy a "data passport" to use my mobile data allowance in France.
Utter, utter fuckers.
Phewee.0 -
“Major advances happening simultaneously for Ukraine on two fronts 100s of kms apart. Russian military Telegram channels are increasingly in total panic. Starting to feel like the wheels are coming off for the Russian military.”
“Others have noted this, but it bears repeating: these offensives don't enjoy the surprise that the Kharkiv one last month did. Here, the Russians know what is coming, and the Ukrainian army is solidly defeating them day after day. Hard to see how the bleeding stops.”
https://twitter.com/neilphauer/status/1576946172609953794?s=46&t=1pS0_ubk1S__VRnngjQo6A2 -
The key to look at is the asset side of the equation, and to understand where there is the possibility of (and size of) impairments.Pulpstar said:Deutsche liabilities 1.2T, Credit Suisse 0.6T.
Currency ?
Any of euro, dollar, sterling or Swiss franc since they're all close to the same nominal value these days0
