What an extraordinary first week for PM Truss – politicalbetting.com
What an extraordinary first week for PM Truss – politicalbetting.com
Liz Truss is just ending her first full week as prime minister and what an extremely tricky challenge she has had to face. Rather than have a short honeymoon period where she could make herself better known she has had to stand aside and make supporting the new monarch her first priority.
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Early polling certainly shows Truss' help with energy costs has slightly boosted the Tory voteshare, though Labour remain clearly ahead.
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Yes, fair assessment. Opinium is the best hope for Mike's Tory lead bet, as it factors in a supposed Lab->Con swingback that doesn't seem to be happening in reality. Rather, there's a "Oh God, I'm a Tory but Boris??"->Tory swingback, which we've also seen on here.HYUFD said:Early polling certainly shows Truss' help with energy costs has slightly boosted the Tory voteshare, though Labour remain clearly ahead.
Most of the world leaders at the funeral next week will be heads of state though unlike Truss, the only other PMs there will be PMs of the other Commonwealth realms
I quite like Truss - I always prefer serious types to the flamboyant sort. But she's not looking much like a winner yet.2 -
I really don't think so. Getting 1/100 of an entire population to do anything in coordinated fashion is pretty darn unusual.Carnyx said:
Less than 1 per cent of the population? Doesn't show anything much either way.rottenborough said:
Really? Perhaps 1/2 million will queue this weekend. And that shows 'sod all'?CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
I think it shows sod all personallyrottenborough said:That live stream is something else. Weirdly powerful. Moving.
If I was editor of a Sunday newspaper I would be commissioning articles on what that queue and the live stream tells us about modern Britain and the deep ancestral roots that still stir.
If 100,000 people go on a protest march on one hand that's virtually nothing, right? Less than a percent, why would any of us even report on such a non event? On the other hand that's an awful lot of people to do something together at the same time. It's actually really noteworthy.
Even more than that queueing for hours, for whatever reason, is even more noteworthy. The idea it shows nothing because its less than 1% of the population is just silly.0 -
Truss who?0
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On topic. Alternatively she wasn’t ready to burst out the traps with a poll boosting crisis plans - they are still not ready, particularly the business one, so imagine the intense pressure for details and delivery she would now be under without this media story to hide behind and work on it behind; her failure to be ready would have been the main headline instead.
“a number of set piece events up and down the country where she could introduce herself to the nation.”
If true then why did she completely spurn the chance to do that with her acceptance speech to party andPodium address the next day. She hardly said anything to introduce herself, apart from taking both opportunities to praise Boris, snub Rishi handshake and talk about Tory party the best party in the world, rather than UK best country in the world.0 -
Fascinating thread:
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However, this discussion is significant. For the first time people start realizing that Putin is not invincible. Hard to overestimate how important this myth is for Russia. Belief that Putin will prevail no matter what paralyzes all independent action 12/25
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Putin will not survive the military defeat in a war where he staked the whole country 25/25
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I am hoping for Opinium Tory lead0
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Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
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I think the PM has been wholly incidental this past week.
We'll have to wait until a semblance of normality returns before we can make any judgement on her.2 -
Rangers fans sing the national anthem in full voice, well done them
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1570171571280437249?s=20&t=UHtY6Fl6vT67eBb8bvd0lQ1 -
Macron spoke with King Charles III.
Au téléphone avec Sa Majesté le Roi Charles III, je lui ai présenté les condoléances de la France pour le décès de sa mère, Sa Majesté la Reine Elizabeth II. Lundi, je serai à Londres pour assister aux obsèques.
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The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
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It's a pretty impressively open debate, even if it's just designed to let off steam.rottenborough said:Fascinating thread:
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However, this discussion is significant. For the first time people start realizing that Putin is not invincible. Hard to overestimate how important this myth is for Russia. Belief that Putin will prevail no matter what paralyzes all independent action 12/25
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Putin will not survive the military defeat in a war where he staked the whole country 25/25
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Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.2 -
Any sign of KCIII resurrecting the claim to be King of France?williamglenn said:Macron spoke with King Charles III.
Au téléphone avec Sa Majesté le Roi Charles III, je lui ai présenté les condoléances de la France pour le décès de sa mère, Sa Majesté la Reine Elizabeth II. Lundi, je serai à Londres pour assister aux obsèques.
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What a gorgeous, wonderful gesture. The man understands so much about the Britain of 2022.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.6 -
Macron is already Emperor of France in all but name, so that position is filledLostPassword said:
Any sign of KCIII resurrecting the claim to be King of France?williamglenn said:Macron spoke with King Charles III.
Au téléphone avec Sa Majesté le Roi Charles III, je lui ai présenté les condoléances de la France pour le décès de sa mère, Sa Majesté la Reine Elizabeth II. Lundi, je serai à Londres pour assister aux obsèques.
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Well we might hold Cities of London and Westminster and Surrey yet, even if we still lose the redwall!CorrectHorseBattery3 said:Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.3 -
I find this very amusing.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
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I don't think that was about his wishes. His content has been relatively pro-monarchy in fact.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
I think the point is fewer and fewer people believe it is divinely ordained. You do. The Queen did. But not as many others now as there used to be. Does Charles even believe it?1 -
Will Truss take the opportunity to do initial meetings with other leaders in the day or two after the funeral, while they are in the country, or would that be considered uncouth?0
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This suggests that the French use of the word "obsèques" is more common than the English obsequies?williamglenn said:Macron spoke with King Charles III.
Au téléphone avec Sa Majesté le Roi Charles III, je lui ai présenté les condoléances de la France pour le décès de sa mère, Sa Majesté la Reine Elizabeth II. Lundi, je serai à Londres pour assister aux obsèques.
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God wants this boy to be King and this boy to die under Russian bombs. Some god.1
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Sunil (and others) who are into trains, or maybe just historic funeral trains, should check out YouTube footage & etc. re: funeral train that took Bobby Kennedy from New York to Washington, DC following his assassination in 1968.
Remember watching that train trip live on TV, after watching RFK's funeral in St Patrick's Cathedral in New York City, which I will never forget.
The late Queen was shortchanged (in a sense) by not being transported in the manner royal, certainly her subjects and fellow humans were:
Royals on Rails: The Inside Story of Britain's Royal Train (National Railway Museum)
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Ireland's Taoiseach (ie Prime Minister) Micheál Martin and President Michael D Higgins will come.HYUFD said:Early polling certainly shows Truss' help with energy costs has slightly boosted the Tory voteshare, though Labour remain clearly ahead.
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Feels a bit like an unfriendly leak. I don't know whether this cap has dissuaded any wealth creating bankers from doing their wealth creating magic here. I'm open to the idea, but it's an odd one to float out there at the forefront.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.0 -
Oh goody.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.
We can add the Financial Crisis Horseman to join his mates - Plague, War and a Gas Famine.
And just when the Chancellor has sacked the only senior Treasury civil servant who advised the government during the last financial crisis.
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I was astonished when our Amtrak host pointed out over the public address system Dealey plaza as we left Dallas on the train - you can see the Book depository & the grassy knoll, all from your train window.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Sunil (and others) who are into trains, or maybe just historic funeral trains, should check out YouTube footage & etc. re: funeral train that took Bobby Kennedy from New York to Washington, DC following his assassination in 1968.
Remember watching that train trip live on TV, after watching RFK's funeral in St Patrick's Cathedral in New York City, which I will never forget.
The late Queen was shortchanged (in a sense) by not being transported in the manner royal, certainly her subjects and fellow humans were:
Royals on Rails: The Inside Story of Britain's Royal Train (National Railway Museum)
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Surely Kwarteng wouldn’t be that stupid . In the middle of a cost of living crisis and people struggling he’d think removing the cap is a good look ! The general public don’t give a fig about the City of London’s global competitiveness .2
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Oh come on @CyclefreeCyclefree said:
Oh goody.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.
We can add the Financial Crisis Horseman to join his mates - Plague, War and a Gas Famine.
And just when the Chancellor has sacked the only senior Treasury civil servant who advised the government during the last financial crisis.
You know the bonus cap was a politically motivated bit of spite.
You need proper regulation, attentive management and appropriate risk controls. If you have that what you pay good performers is irrelevant
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Only one fly in the ointment. God doesn't actually exist.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
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Personally I think he ( she ? it ? ) does, but the creating force doesn't make royal appointments. Look to Einstein's view of God.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Only one fly in the ointment. God doesn't actually exist.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
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Oh come on. Don't be naive. This is not the only bit of deregulation being planned for the City - reducing bank reserves is also being planned.StillWaters said:
Oh come on @CyclefreeCyclefree said:
Oh goody.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.
We can add the Financial Crisis Horseman to join his mates - Plague, War and a Gas Famine.
And just when the Chancellor has sacked the only senior Treasury civil servant who advised the government during the last financial crisis.
You know the bonus cap was a politically motivated bit of spite.
You need proper regulation, attentive management and appropriate risk controls. If you have that what you pay good performers is irrelevant
As for thinking that bonuses go to good performers - that is unbelievably naive. It incentivises the sorts of behaviours which lie at the heart of so many scandals. And good regulation and some risk controls are not enough to mitigate this. You don't create the wrong incentives in the first place.
This is Truss and Kwarteng applying a deregulation ideology to the City in the hope of generating tax revenues without any proper understanding of what went wrong in the first place or why. And critically that it was much of the deregulation which created the conflicts of interest which lie at the heart of pretty much every financial scandal there has ever been.10 -
The plan to reduce bank reserves is much more stupid.nico679 said:Surely Kwarteng wouldn’t be that stupid . In the middle of a cost of living crisis and people struggling he’d think removing the cap is a good look ! The general public don’t give a fig about the City of London’s global competitiveness .
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Wrt Sweden, doesn't it say something odd about the country that for many years the only party willing to talk about the manifest increase in gang violence was the far-right? Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.1
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"Who cares whether it's a good policy or beneficial to the country. What matters is pandering to the lowest common denominator opinion."nico679 said:Surely Kwarteng wouldn’t be that stupid . In the middle of a cost of living crisis and people struggling he’d think removing the cap is a good look ! The general public don’t give a fig about the City of London’s global competitiveness .
Aren't you opposed to populism?2 -
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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Apparently my IQ is 107 so I’m average. I knew it0
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IQ is a very shallow and inadequate measure of intelligence, Horse.1
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To be fair, they didn't just ignore the problem. They also called anyone who suggested there was a problem a racist.Andy_JS said:Wrt Sweden, doesn't it say something odd about the country that for many years the only party willing to talk about the manifest increase in gang violence was the far-right? Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.
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I couldn't agree more. We seem to be heading back to some sort of turbo charged Thatcherite nightmare, exaept that Thatcher herself was in fact at an earlier stage of this ideological obsession. It's like 1986 meets 2006, as if nothing had failed since then, or shown itself to have any complexity.Cyclefree said:
Oh come on. Don't be naive. This is not the only bit of deregulation being planned for the City - reducing bank reserves is also being planned.StillWaters said:
Oh come on @CyclefreeCyclefree said:
Oh goody.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:Brexit Britain latest:
Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses - introduced after the 2008 financial crash - in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.
We can add the Financial Crisis Horseman to join his mates - Plague, War and a Gas Famine.
And just when the Chancellor has sacked the only senior Treasury civil servant who advised the government during the last financial crisis.
You know the bonus cap was a politically motivated bit of spite.
You need proper regulation, attentive management and appropriate risk controls. If you have that what you pay good performers is irrelevant
As for thinking that bonuses go to good performers - that is unbelievably naive. It incentivises the sorts of behaviours which lie at the heart of so many scandals. And good regulation and some risk controls are not enough to mitigate this. You don't create the wrong incentives in the first place.
This is Truss and Kwarteng applying a deregulation ideology to the City in the hope of generating tax revenues without any proper understanding of what went wrong in the first place or why. And critically that it was much of the deregulation which created the conflicts of interest which lie at the heart of pretty much every financial scandal there has ever been.1 -
Gang violence and official corruption (and in fact also neo-Nazism) appear a lot in a lot of popular fiction in Sweden. It's like a "return of the oppressed", given the official and widely asserted ideology in that country of nicy-nicy and "lagom".Andy_JS said:Wrt Sweden, doesn't it say something odd about the country that for many years the only party willing to talk about the manifest increase in gang violence was the far-right? Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.
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Oh it's accurate, I've always been of average intelligence. My personality though, is exceptionalWhisperingOracle said:IQ is a very shallow and inadequate measure of intelligence, Horse.
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If he stays in position long enough for coins to be minted with his mug on, expect some well wacky symbols on them.kle4 said:
I don't think that was about his wishes. His content has been relatively pro-monarchy in fact.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
I think the point is fewer and fewer people believe it is divinely ordained. You do. The Queen did. But not as many others now as there used to be. Does Charles even believe it?0 -
@Horse - the notion that a person "has" an "IQ" in the way that you have DNA or a height is utter tosh.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Oh it's accurate, I've always been of average intelligence. My personality though, is exceptionalWhisperingOracle said:IQ is a very shallow and inadequate measure of intelligence, Horse.
The same applies to the idea that it's anything other than idiotic to think there even exists such a thing as "general" intelligence. If you want to do better on those 20th century verbal-numerical-visuospatial pattern tests, just practise a bit and your score will shoot up.2 -
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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"He"?HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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The Flying Spaghetti Monster (All Hail His Noodley Appendage) would beg to differ.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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Have you not heard of the Pastafarian Right of Kings?Richard_Tyndall said:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (All Hail His Noodley Appendage) would beg to differ.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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God doesn't exist, HYUFD.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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Maybe HYUFD is in fact, God ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
God doesn't exist, HYUFD.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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Who do you think made the Flying Spaghetti Monster?Richard_Tyndall said:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (All Hail His Noodley Appendage) would beg to differ.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
Satirical sock puppets may pretend to.
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It's flying spaghetti monsters all the way down.RobD said:
Who do you think made the Flying Spaghetti Monster?Richard_Tyndall said:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (All Hail His Noodley Appendage) would beg to differ.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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For the first time, a video emerges of a recruitment talk for Wagner by Prigozhin in a Russian prison camp. Absolutely bonkers. “Nobody goes back behind bars. If you serve six months, you are free. If you arrive in Ukraine and decide it’s not for you, we execute you.”
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/15700982723494215700 -
And Elephants. Don't forget the elephantsrcs1000 said:
It's flying spaghetti monsters all the way down.RobD said:
Who do you think made the Flying Spaghetti Monster?Richard_Tyndall said:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (All Hail His Noodley Appendage) would beg to differ.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
Satirical sock puppets may pretend to.1 -
Typical for Soviet punishment battalions circa 1944.rcs1000 said:Yaroslav Trofimov
@yarotrof
For the first time, a video emerges of a recruitment talk for Wagner by Prigozhin in a Russian prison camp. Absolutely bonkers. “Nobody goes back behind bars. If you serve six months, you are free. If you arrive in Ukraine and decide it’s not for you, we execute you.”
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/15700982723494215700 -
Please do NOT jest about Godhead. As yours truly still has lingering trauma from a bus ride years ago across half of Louisiana (or so it seemed) with a locally-famous religious nut who announced (fifteen minutes into the trip) that he was not just God's prophet, but God himself.
Really freaked me out, man.
This particular manifestation & personification of The Divine was known as Holy Hubert, and was famous for haranguing crowds of LSU students in the company of another evangelist, Sister Sadie. Who specialized in tirades against the sin and debauchery of the student body (guilty as charged) punctuated by the hoots and hollers of godless LSU frat boys, a group that could give lessons in entitled depravity to Bullingtonians. The frat boys especially liked pretending they were looking up Sister Sadie's Jesus-freak maxi-dress, which always got a rise out of her (if nobody else).
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Correction - should have said, Red Army penal brigades.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Typical for Soviet punishment battalions circa 1944.rcs1000 said:Yaroslav Trofimov
@yarotrof
For the first time, a video emerges of a recruitment talk for Wagner by Prigozhin in a Russian prison camp. Absolutely bonkers. “Nobody goes back behind bars. If you serve six months, you are free. If you arrive in Ukraine and decide it’s not for you, we execute you.”
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/15700982723494215700 -
The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate1 -
Coming to PBS in 2024 - "The Queue" a gripping nine-part drama centered on the struggles of a band of loyal but befuddled strangers from different parts of the UK, who leave a rear guard to hold their places in the line, while the other spread out in search of a functioning porta-potty.8
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The Rest is Politics podcast with Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell. Question Time.
1: is Liz Truss joining in the Royal Tour the first mistake of King Charles's reign or of Liz Truss's premiership?
... and so on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4glzpo_33Jo (and various podcast platforms)0 -
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate0 -
I'm thinking about possibly going in the Queue. Depends how large it gets. 5 miles would be a bit too long.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate0 -
You should be able to convert queue length to waiting time by looking at how fast people pass the coffin. However, it looks to me like they are letting fewer in right now than earlier, so they pass the coffin in single file with gaps between groups. A friend chose to leave flowers at the palace instead.Andy_JS said:
I'm thinking about possibly going in the Queue. Depends how large it gets. 5 miles would be a bit too long.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate1 -
Threat of cross-Channel power crunch as Britain and France rely on importing each other's energy
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/14/threat-cross-channel-power-crunch-britain-france-rely-importing/ (£££)0 -
Wow.
Analyst on R5L’s wake up to money - tracking a basket of essential goods says price difference between Morrissons and Aldi is now 40%. Explained by Morrisons having to service a gigantic debt.
Shop at Aldi, people.0 -
Alternatively, you will always believe in fairies, and the Tory party.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
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That applies only to the Italian Kingdom of Ethiopia.rcs1000 said:
Have you not heard of the Pastafarian Right of Kings?Richard_Tyndall said:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (All Hail His Noodley Appendage) would beg to differ.HYUFD said:
God believes in it as he gives it and that is all that matters on thatChris said:
Nobody's believed in the divine right of monarchs for centuries.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
Satirical sock puppets may pretend to.0 -
That applies to much of the whole European grid.DecrepiterJohnL said:Threat of cross-Channel power crunch as Britain and France rely on importing each other's energy
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/14/threat-cross-channel-power-crunch-britain-france-rely-importing/ (£££)1 -
The fallacy of sunk cost in respect of wars is particularly horrible.
I went to a Russian border city, where I spoke with soldiers who retreated from Ukraine and pro-Kremlin Ukrainians who fled. “It can’t be in vain that so many of our guys have died. It just can’t be that all of this was in vain.”
https://twitter.com/evangershkovich/status/1570153755550617601
It can, and is true of at least one side in every war.2 -
One for @Dura_Ace
Note the scooter at the end.
This is a cyclist using his knowledge of physics and aerodynamics to gain a competitive advantage
Michael Guerra unclips from his pedals, lies down on the seat and stretches out his legs to achieve ultimate aerodynamic efficiency.
https://twitter.com/ValaAfshar/status/15698651464947466242 -
I think they said something about a previous queue stopping for an hour to allow cleaning. It would make sense to do it overnight.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
I'd also expected the queue to get shorter overnight, but perhaps some people also cannot really get time off work, and think the queue at the weekend will be horrendous?1 -
Retired US general.rcs1000 said:Yaroslav Trofimov
@yarotrof
For the first time, a video emerges of a recruitment talk for Wagner by Prigozhin in a Russian prison camp. Absolutely bonkers. “Nobody goes back behind bars. If you serve six months, you are free. If you arrive in Ukraine and decide it’s not for you, we execute you.”
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1570098272349421570
As I’ve said on @cnn, Russia is incapable of adapting their army. There is no desire to professionalize, train, or lead a modern Army. This “Dirty Dozen” approach to soldier recruitment is a precursor to more battlefield failure. This is formalized fratricide.
https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/15701464282317496322 -
Might have to try that on my commuteNigelb said:One for @Dura_Ace
Note the scooter at the end.
This is a cyclist using his knowledge of physics and aerodynamics to gain a competitive advantage
Michael Guerra unclips from his pedals, lies down on the seat and stretches out his legs to achieve ultimate aerodynamic efficiency.
https://twitter.com/ValaAfshar/status/1569865146494746624
Hadn't clocked until the end that the pedals were still going round like crazy, good skills getting clipped back in.
I was slightly disappointed the mobility scooter driver didn't also give the technique a go
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It won’t be altogether in vain if that bewilderment and anger comes to be directed at Putin.Nigelb said:The fallacy of sunk cost in respect of wars is particularly horrible.
I went to a Russian border city, where I spoke with soldiers who retreated from Ukraine and pro-Kremlin Ukrainians who fled. “It can’t be in vain that so many of our guys have died. It just can’t be that all of this was in vain.”
https://twitter.com/evangershkovich/status/1570153755550617601
It can, and is true of at least one side in every war.0 -
It can't be a competitive advantage because he's not a in a race - no dossard and he's on a fixie.Nigelb said:One for @Dura_Ace
Note the scooter at the end.
This is a cyclist using his knowledge of physics and aerodynamics to gain a competitive advantage
Michael Guerra unclips from his pedals, lies down on the seat and stretches out his legs to achieve ultimate aerodynamic efficiency.
https://twitter.com/ValaAfshar/status/1569865146494746624
I'm pretty sure it would get you chucked out of any UCI sanctioned event. cf "puppy paws" and "super tuck" are now banned in competition.0 -
The bit I watched they paused the filing past whilst the guard was changed. Took about 2 or 3 minutes. Not sure how often they change them. And even using both sides it seems slower than need be without looking rushed.JosiasJessop said:
I think they said something about a previous queue stopping for an hour to allow cleaning. It would make sense to do it overnight.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
I'd also expected the queue to get shorter overnight, but perhaps some people also cannot really get time off work, and think the queue at the weekend will be horrendous?0 -
Good morningping said:Wow.
Analyst on R5L’s wake up to money - tracking a basket of essential goods says price difference between Morrissons and Aldi is now 40%. Explained by Morrisons having to service a gigantic debt.
Shop at Aldi, people.
I heard that report as well and it is astonishing that Morrisons apparently have a 7 billion debt
Shop anywhere but Morrisons would be the message
5live also discussed Kwarteng's proposal to abolish city bonuses and it really does make you wonder if the conservative party have lost all it's instincts to govern
It may be the right thing from a business sense, but the optics are shocking and hands yet another gift to labour
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I think they said on the TV yesterday that the guard is changed every twenty minutes.paulyork64 said:
The bit I watched they paused the filing past whilst the guard was changed. Took about 2 or 3 minutes. Not sure how often they change them. And even using both sides it seems slower than need be without looking rushed.JosiasJessop said:
I think they said something about a previous queue stopping for an hour to allow cleaning. It would make sense to do it overnight.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
I'd also expected the queue to get shorter overnight, but perhaps some people also cannot really get time off work, and think the queue at the weekend will be horrendous?1 -
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate1 -
I often pop into Morrisons as it is next to the hospital. It may well vary with what you put in your basket, but I have always found their prices competitive, particularly fruit and veg.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morningping said:Wow.
Analyst on R5L’s wake up to money - tracking a basket of essential goods says price difference between Morrissons and Aldi is now 40%. Explained by Morrisons having to service a gigantic debt.
Shop at Aldi, people.
I heard that report as well and it is astonishing that Morrisons apparently have a 7 billion debt
Shop anywhere but Morrisons would be the message
5live also discussed Kwarteng's proposal to abolish city bonuses and it really does make you wonder if the conservative party have lost all it's instincts to govern
It may be the right thing from a business sense, but the optics are shocking and hands yet another gift to labour1 -
Well, there’s a surprise:
Research on effects of school SARS-CoV-2 mitigation is complex and requires systematic analysis of available evidence, study design and quality, and causes for discrepancies.[1,2] Systematic reviews, including a Cochrane review, give balanced overviews.[3–5] From our European perspective, Gurdasani et al[6] has significant methodological limitations relevant to policy-making.
First, the premise of a “global scientific consensus” is incorrect……
…..In conclusion, COVID-19 school mitigation in UK and elsewhere is much more complex than suggested by [6], and the methods applied invalidate the criticism of the UK vs. relevant comparable countries.
https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj-2022-071234/rapid-responses2 -
6 hours…rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
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Yes they change every twenty minutes.JosiasJessop said:
I think they said on the TV yesterday that the guard is changed every twenty minutes.paulyork64 said:
The bit I watched they paused the filing past whilst the guard was changed. Took about 2 or 3 minutes. Not sure how often they change them. And even using both sides it seems slower than need be without looking rushed.JosiasJessop said:
I think they said something about a previous queue stopping for an hour to allow cleaning. It would make sense to do it overnight.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
I'd also expected the queue to get shorter overnight, but perhaps some people also cannot really get time off work, and think the queue at the weekend will be horrendous?0 -
I very much hope @Casino_Royale went. It seemed like something he needed to do.2
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Six hours, I heard yesterday.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
And, as I then predicted to my mother, one apparently collapsed.
(Edit) Here you are.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/royal-westminster-hall-tower-of-london-b2167577.html?amp
While the soldiers rotate every 20 minutes, the hours of remaining completely still while standing are six-hours in length.
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We’ve got a hardline libertarian government. They are that stupid.nico679 said:Surely Kwarteng wouldn’t be that stupid . In the middle of a cost of living crisis and people struggling he’d think removing the cap is a good look ! The general public don’t give a fig about the City of London’s global competitiveness .
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Luddites. 😊Dura_Ace said:
It can't be a competitive advantage because he's not a in a race - no dossard and he's on a fixie.Nigelb said:One for @Dura_Ace
Note the scooter at the end.
This is a cyclist using his knowledge of physics and aerodynamics to gain a competitive advantage
Michael Guerra unclips from his pedals, lies down on the seat and stretches out his legs to achieve ultimate aerodynamic efficiency.
https://twitter.com/ValaAfshar/status/1569865146494746624
I'm pretty sure it would get you chucked out of any UCI sanctioned event. cf "puppy paws" and "super tuck" are now banned in competition.0 -
Edit - I must have misunderstood a remark on TV yesterday - Nick Robinson on R4 just confirming the 20minutes comments above.CarlottaVance said:
6 hours…rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
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Wrong. The watches are six hours and the officers are rotated every 20 minutes.Nigelb said:
Six hours, I heard yesterday.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
And, as I then predicted to my mother, one apparently collapsed.
(Edit) Here you are.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/royal-westminster-hall-tower-of-london-b2167577.html?amp
While the soldiers rotate every 20 minutes, the hours of remaining completely still while standing are six-hours in length.0 -
It was a Gentleman at Arms (Archer) who collapsed. Those boys can be quite old.Nigelb said:
Six hours, I heard yesterday.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
And, as I then predicted to my mother, one apparently collapsed.
(Edit) Here you are.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/royal-westminster-hall-tower-of-london-b2167577.html?amp
While the soldiers rotate every 20 minutes, the hours of remaining completely still while standing are six-hours in length.0 -
Offt. Looks very painful. Hope he is ok.TOPPING said:
It was a Gentleman at Arms (Archer) who collapsed. Those boys can be quite old.Nigelb said:
Six hours, I heard yesterday.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
And, as I then predicted to my mother, one apparently collapsed.
(Edit) Here you are.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/royal-westminster-hall-tower-of-london-b2167577.html?amp
While the soldiers rotate every 20 minutes, the hours of remaining completely still while standing are six-hours in length.0 -
Quick recap of the big UK fireball last night:
– videos show it lasted at least ~20s.
– several eyewitnesses reported (via AMS system) booms/rumbles in the minute or so after.
– not clear yet whether it was natural or debris (@UKMeteorNetwork experts working on that now).
https://twitter.com/willgater/status/1570297320926756868
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@TOPPING will know more than me but you can rock on your feet, scrunch your toes. You can see some of the Guards officers doing this.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate0 -
Right, surely? Both “6 hours” (the watch) and “20 minutes” (the vigil at the coffin) are correct - they just refer to different things. No one is standing stock still by the coffin for 6 hours.TOPPING said:
Wrong. The watches are six hours and the officers are rotated every 20 minutes.Nigelb said:
Six hours, I heard yesterday.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
And, as I then predicted to my mother, one apparently collapsed.
(Edit) Here you are.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/royal-westminster-hall-tower-of-london-b2167577.html?amp
While the soldiers rotate every 20 minutes, the hours of remaining completely still while standing are six-hours in length.0 -
But you're missing the point - you are drawing on such a large population in either case that you'd get the same results, from your very own logic, if 10%, or 50%, or 90% were royalist, curious, etc. In all cases the market, so to speak, is so restricted that the actual numbers are meaningless on a UK scale.kle4 said:
I really don't think so. Getting 1/100 of an entire population to do anything in coordinated fashion is pretty darn unusual.Carnyx said:
Less than 1 per cent of the population? Doesn't show anything much either way.rottenborough said:
Really? Perhaps 1/2 million will queue this weekend. And that shows 'sod all'?CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
I think it shows sod all personallyrottenborough said:That live stream is something else. Weirdly powerful. Moving.
If I was editor of a Sunday newspaper I would be commissioning articles on what that queue and the live stream tells us about modern Britain and the deep ancestral roots that still stir.
If 100,000 people go on a protest march on one hand that's virtually nothing, right? Less than a percent, why would any of us even report on such a non event? On the other hand that's an awful lot of people to do something together at the same time. It's actually really noteworthy.
Even more than that queueing for hours, for whatever reason, is even more noteworthy. The idea it shows nothing because its less than 1% of the population is just silly.0 -
There's also the slight problem that, *on the monarchy's own evidence*, it supports two different religions, or at least two very different varieties of non-RC Christianity, one north and the other south of the border. The English variety of Catholic episcopalianism, subordinating Church to State, is completely incompatible with Calvinist Presbyterianism. As indeed the history of the High Kirk of St Giles reminds us.Nigelb said:
Alternatively, you will always believe in fairies, and the Tory party.HYUFD said:
The monarch will always be divinely ordained, whatever liberal intellectuals may wishAndy_JS said:Ben Judah in UnHerd
"Queen Elizabeth’s death marks the latest step away from divinely ordained monarchy, towards something else. No longer sacred, the European monarch would rather be a pilot, or a country gentleman interested in urban planning. Another step along the path we have travelled since the laying of hands on His Majesty to cure disease was suspended after Queen Anne. It is no longer possible to suspend disbelief. The magic — or rather the mindset — was gone. There have been tears for the Queen this week, but can we imagine the same for Prince William decades from now?"
https://unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/0 -
Take it up with the Indy.TOPPING said:
Wrong. The watches are six hours and the officers are rotated every 20 minutes.Nigelb said:
Six hours, I heard yesterday.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate
And, as I then predicted to my mother, one apparently collapsed.
(Edit) Here you are.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/royal-westminster-hall-tower-of-london-b2167577.html?amp
While the soldiers rotate every 20 minutes, the hours of remaining completely still while standing are six-hours in length.
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Yep all of those things. But 20 minutes is not very long at all relatively.Eabhal said:
@TOPPING will know more than me but you can rock on your feet, scrunch your toes. You can see some of the Guards officers doing this.rottenborough said:
How do those guards standing there stock still do it? How long is each shift?DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK, people are moving past the coffin again.DecrepiterJohnL said:The Queue is 2.9 miles long, up half a mile from earlier in the evening. I'd have thought it would get shorter overnight but apparently not; perhaps too many had the same idea.
The BBC's livestream showed only a handful passing the coffin, and a few seconds ago switched to an outside view. Have they stopped letting people in?
Queue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY
Coffin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l00566tz/hm-the-queen-lyinginstate0
