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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    Nigelb said:

    Sounds like their Neptune anti-ship missiles, which as described have both the range and the ground attack capability.

    https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1557016814986661895
    The Ukrainian military official with knowledge of the situation said that Ukrainian forces were behind the explosion but would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”

    Could be. Some claims that the Ukrainians seriously degraded Russian air defence recently, which would increase the chance of missiles making it to their target.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590

    Andy_JS said:

    FT Economics Editor:

    "@ChrisGiles_
    My column:

    Let's not be naive about Russia being able to send Europe into recession this winter.

    It can and it will

    But it doesn't have to be a calamity and it's Putin's last economic card (so long as Europe does the right things)"

    https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1557023371560361986

    How exactly is Europe not buying Russian gas 'Russia sending Europe into recession'?
    If either Europe reduces Russian gas consumption or the Russians reduce supply, then substantial chunks of European industrial production will have to stop/be reduced so that people can have heating and light.

    Russia has already massively reduced the flow of gas.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,042
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    Why on earth would Truss bring him back into government? Never mind his views, she has plenty of MPs of at least equal quality to Lord Frost to choose from, why waste even a junior ministerial role on a peer, and a figure known for rocking the boat?
    It would be quite funny putting him in a junior role under Penny Mordaunt, who he demolished during her campaign.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Nigelb said:

    Kari Lake issues a statement that apparently she will have Arizona secede from the Union if elected Governor.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1556814563642953728

    Someone called Lake really ought to have considered the implications for their water supply...

    Whilst the sanctuary thing does not appear to be on the same level, it is almost entertaining to see what happens when elected or hoping to be elected officials compete with one another to show loyalty most fervently.

    Are we too cynical for it? Nadine and JRM have tried going that route with Boris, just short of breaking into tears when talking about his ousting, but it doesn't seem to have really caught on, even when contemplating Saint Maggie or the Jezziah.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    Nuclear seems beloved and heralded as the answer by all across the political spectrum - I really don't see why, especially given recent situations in Ukraine.
    Why, are you expecting a Russian invasion of Hinkley Point ?
    One of the nice thing about nuclear power is that we can offer heating-for-life to millions of Russians (and other annoying people).
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    Is Lord Frost really so ignorant that he thinks nuclear power is implicated in climate change? Presumable because it generates heat??

    Frighteningly stupid.

    In the article, Frost is very pro nuclear.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590

    Nigelb said:

    Sounds like their Neptune anti-ship missiles, which as described have both the range and the ground attack capability.

    https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1557016814986661895
    The Ukrainian military official with knowledge of the situation said that Ukrainian forces were behind the explosion but would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”

    Could be. Some claims that the Ukrainians seriously degraded Russian air defence recently, which would increase the chance of missiles making it to their target.
    Neptune seems to be quite a nice missile.

    Should we buy some?

    {BAe achieves fusion at room temperature}
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,395
    Trump's legal problems are not limited to his possible theft of official documents, though that is getting most of coverage right now:
    "Donald Trump is facing historic legal and legislative scrutiny for a former president, under investigation by U.S. lawmakers, local district attorneys, a state attorney general and the Justice Department. Authorities are looking into Trump and his family business for a medley of possible wrongdoing, including his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol and how he valued his various assets for loan and tax purposes."
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/trump-investigations-litigation/

    And then, besides those official investigations, he is also the target of lawsuits by individuals and groups.

    Months ago, I argued that the accumulation of all these legal problems would erode his popularity with Republicans, bit by bit -- and I think we can see that happening. Moreover, if, as seems likely, his antics cause the Republicans to lose ground in the Senate this November, some Republicans are likely to turn against him because he is a loser.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,812

    dixiedean said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kari Lake issues a statement that apparently she will have Arizona secede from the Union if elected Governor.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1556814563642953728

    Someone called Lake really ought to have considered the implications for their water supply...

    Florida GOP are already talking about barring feds from law enforcement activities in Florida
    Can they even do that?
    Ill try and find the tweet, but a Florida govt guy was saying that and described how.
    IANAE, but wouldn't that mean every wanted felon from the rest of US would have an incentive to flee there?
    Yeah i may have misread but he seemed to be intimating preventing the feds working independently of State authorities. Hmmmmm, ok i will look for the tweet but until i find it i am declaring myself FAKE NEWS
    Fake news no more. It was Sabatini

    https://twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/status/1556805568207196160?t=Qr8GslRPRWwBkNIpOeqL8w&s=19
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    MISTY said:

    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    Is Lord Frost really so ignorant that he thinks nuclear power is implicated in climate change? Presumable because it generates heat??

    Frighteningly stupid.

    In the article, Frost is very pro nuclear.
    I’m more pro nuclear than Lord Frost.

    He is one of those fission reactor wimps.

    I want to implement nuclear fusion (the fun kind) combined with geothermal….

    “Threaten us with nuclear weapons? Ha! We detonate one every
    60 seconds just to power the country…”
  • On topic, wait for the terrible backlash against the Dems for Joe Biden personally telling the FBI to raid Mar-A-Lago.

    I mean these people alternate from telling us Joe Biden is dementia ridden or an evil genius.

    The FBI better get their man now or this is an absolute gift to Trump and his run for 2024.
    I don't recall people saying the FBI were a gift to Hillary.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kari Lake issues a statement that apparently she will have Arizona secede from the Union if elected Governor.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1556814563642953728

    Someone called Lake really ought to have considered the implications for their water supply...

    Whilst the sanctuary thing does not appear to be on the same level, it is almost entertaining to see what happens when elected or hoping to be elected officials compete with one another to show loyalty most fervently.

    Are we too cynical for it? Nadine and JRM have tried going that route with Boris, just short of breaking into tears when talking about his ousting, but it doesn't seem to have really caught on, even when contemplating Saint Maggie or the Jezziah.
    @Leon did warn us about Kari Lake the new demagogue on the block.

    Trump's running mate?

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,800
    Nigelb said:

    Olive oil prices to rise 25% as heatwave hits production
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62433295

    Ok, this sh*t's just got real.
  • MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,008
    MISTY said:

    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    Is Lord Frost really so ignorant that he thinks nuclear power is implicated in climate change? Presumable because it generates heat??

    Frighteningly stupid.

    In the article, Frost is very pro nuclear.
    Yes, actually having just looked at the report, I think it was a frighteningly stupid news soundbite, which gave the impression he was backing nuclear on the basis that there was no evidence of climate change.

    In fact, he is backing increasing what he calls "carbon-efficient" forms on energy, rather than limiting power consumption. In fact he says nothing about cutting down on wind power. Though why he thinks fracking is "carbon-efficient" I don't know:
    https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/V6-Holy-Illusions.pdf
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    I was vaguely hoping that these zanies from the early Boris era were shuffling out of history, but with Truss is seems they're back with a vengeance. Is the return of Dom imminent? Surely he wouldn't work under 'crackers' lady and she wouldn't appoint, but who knows?
    She is continuity Johnson.

    Two more years of this clown show. God knows what the country will be like when they've finished.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    Posters claiming that “1980 wasn’t so bad” are truly the pits.

    If folks like it so much, they might try emigrating to somewhere with 1980 levels of income. Romania perhaps.

    I would rather live in 1980 than today. The music was better.
    Thing is, your brain will retain the goods bits of that and forget the crud bits.

    Reality: queuing for cash in banks twice a week, people smoking in offices, pubs, trains and restaurants, and everywhere else, a far more conformist and hierarchical office culture - often by class, poor cars by modern standards that rust in 2-3 years, ordering anything by mail order taking 28 days (at least) with a far more limited range available, more pubs but crap food in them, maybe a Berni Inn was half-acceptable, four channels (if that), no PCs, no internet for this.. strikes, communist agitation, a nasty recession etc..

    I like Gary Numan too, but still keen?
    Yes, and this is a point Thatcher fans keep missing, which is that for all sorts of reasons that had nothing to do with the government, life just got better in the 1980s.

    Cars stopped rusting as soon as they drove off the forecourt, and developments like anti-lock brakes and electric windows would trickle down car ranges.

    Banks would give us proper ATM cards, replacing the ones that would be swallowed on each withdrawal and posted back to you. Credit cards were given to the masses.

    Computers would invade the home and the office (which were separate places back then). Hi-fi, VCRs and colour televisions were affordable.

    Foreign holidays would become an option for most, not just the jet set.

    Not so much fun for Maggie's millions; I'll grant you that.
    Maggie's millions got to buy their council houses they'd effectively been buying for decades. And they loved her for it.
    Renting is not effectively buying. Selling £10 notes for £5 is often popular with shoppers
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Seems legit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
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    19m
    Labour lead by 15% in the Red Wall.

    Red Wall Voting Intention (8 August):
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    And wait, patiently, for 30 years to build the reactors.

    In 30 years, you could fill the North Sea with turbines….
  • MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    The risk of "rationing" and "shutdowns" and expense is due to how expensive and restricted carbon power has become due to Russia's invasion especially.

    Wind etc is reducing our vulnerability not increasing it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Olive oil prices to rise 25% as heatwave hits production
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62433295

    Ok, this sh*t's just got real.
    Anyone got the flaked Parmesan forward contract market feed?
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    If wind is the cheapest form of energy, and we have a lot of wind energy (on the verge of green superpowerdom blah blah blah) then why, pray, is energy so expensive?


    Everybody knows why energy is expensive. Its because the green lobby has over decades bust a gut absolutely everywhere to stop, hinder or restrict hydrocarbon investment and development. That's f8cking why.
  • MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    Onshore wind is also (along with improving insulation and other efficiency measures) about the only thing that can be ramped up at all over the next four months.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    edited August 2022

    Another slow burning crisis.


    That's a 3 month old graph from John Burn-Murdoch in the FT, who is shockingly poor in his handling of data. Here he is debunked in the FT comments.

    In this case he does not even adequately define what he means by "Out of Pocket Spending" in the US and UK, nor explain why has excluded the pay packet contributions from US people which seem to me to come from their pockets.

    Article is here:
    https://www.ft.com/content/dbf166ce-1ebb-4a67-980e-9860fd170ba2

    Burn-Murdoch's usual shtick afaics is to focus on a detail, and ignore the wider context, then drawing sweeping conclusions from his narrow analysis than it justifies.

    This graph has been called out everywhere.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    kle4 said:

    Seems legit.

    How is a stable democracy falling for this neofascist shite?

    It is barely believable.
    Obviously I find separating my own deep dislike of Trump from analysing the situation to be very difficult, but I remain genuinely baffled how personalised the politics seems to have become, how focused on Trump himself as requiring such intense individual loyalty from what always seemed a very independent minded, disparate national politics.

    I know he is, regrettably, a charismatic force, but the intensity of personal support he gets from elected figures even before he is the candidate seems most odd. This is not the sort of thing that is just standing up for one of their own.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,008

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    The risk of "rationing" and "shutdowns" and expense is due to how expensive and restricted carbon power has become due to Russia's invasion especially.

    Wind etc is reducing our vulnerability not increasing it.
    I and others should have looked at what he'd actually said before posting:
    https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/V6-Holy-Illusions.pdf

    The only reference to wind power is here:
    Instead of focusing on technological solutions that enable us to master our environment and get more energy in a more carbon-efficient way — nuclear, CCS, fracking, one day fusion – we have focused on managing demand so we can use medieval technology like wind power.

    He's not saying wind power isn't a positive. He's saying that other technologies would mean we wouldn't have to rely solely on wind power. (As I said, I don't understand why he described fracking as "carbon-efficient".)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590

    kle4 said:

    Seems legit.

    How is a stable democracy falling for this neofascist shite?

    It is barely believable.
    Look at the past history of such comic characters.

    None of them were the noble general on a white horse - even Boulanger (the original) was a useless twat.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    MattW said:



    Burn-Murdoch's usual shtick afaics is to focus on a detail, and ignore the wider context, then drawing sweeping conclusions from his narrow analysis than it justifies.

    I'd make a joke about which PBer he was, but frankly that could be 95% of us :)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    There's a rational argument in there somewhere. But there is no excuse for stupidity or for weaponising the stupidity of others. Do you see much force in the claim that wind energy is medieval?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    How is he planning on persuading energy companies to drill for gas in the UK? There is this slightly naïve view, that there are massive - easy to extract - gas reserves in the UK, and you merely need to mutter the word "fracking" and the natural gas with flow.

    The reality - and I speak as a man who lost a lot of money in Igas - is that the wells and core samples have been very disappointing. Yes, there's gas. But it's nowhere near as abundant or technically easy as the best US shale plays.

    Now, the UK government could massively subsidise its extraction - and there's an energy security case for that - but what if the price for imported Australian LNG is $6/mmbtu, and the price of Blackpool natural gas is $30? That's paying an awful lot for security of supply.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem with Liz Truss' and her tax cuts is she keeps (deliberately?) conflating two outcomes.
    Firstly, to encourage growth in the economy. This is entirely plausible.
    And secondly, and in tandem, to help with the CofL crisis. This is unarguably true. But it does nowt at all in the immediate term for those most in need of help.
    So she's always answering a subtly different question to the one being asked.

    Here is my carefully considered insight:

    Liz doesn't get it!
    I think it's highly likely that in the event that energy prices rise as high as is currently predicted, the Government will step in with some form of assistance. At the moment, we don't know exactly what will happen, so it seems fair not to have a totally fleshed out policy of what that assistance will be.

    On a related note, I think it would probably be a good idea to decouple any cash grant from energy - ie. people don't have to use it to purchase energy. Otherwise it's a pure bung to energy companies. It will save energy, because those who prefer an extra jumper and to spend it on food etc., will be able to do so.

    Yeah. It needs to discourage use as much as possible.
    I never quite got why a flat £400 was chosen?
    It goes to everyone equally. Billionaires, second and third home owners. And single folk like me with a tiny energy efficient flat, which will cover the leccy entirely.
    Surely a %age discount off everyone's bills would have been just as easy to administer? And encourage lower use?
    Combined with a bung to the lowest paid?
    Of course. As matt w notes. They could always change the cap as well.
    I may have argued it previously.

    I would bear down on the cap (even fix it at the current level, or with a small increase), which would have a beneficial side effect of clobbering retail inflation quite significantly. And being clear political communication.

    Then offer supply-side support to keep companies above water where necessary. I'm quite tempted by a low interest rate (eg base rate or base + 1%) borrowing facility against assets to be paid back over 5 years.

    I'm not sure if we can buck world prices without upsetting our international contract arrangements. Though a levy or further windfall tax is perhaps attractive.

    The things confusing in the windfall tax is that media-idiots are failing to report existing measures such as higher taxes for the sector, and a windfall tax already having happened, and slinging mud at companies on the basis of worldwide profits.

    And it goes without saying that insulation programmes etc should have been beefed up and driven harder 18 months ago, but Big Chief Sitting Bullshitter Boris sat on his butt.
    This is spot on - especially your point about bucking world prices.

    Ultimately, about 10% has been taken out of world natural gas exports. That pain is going to be shared among importers. And while Germany and the EU is particularly vulnerable because it is (largely) their 10%, we are also badly impacted because we're big importers of spot LNG cargoes.

    Ultimately, demand has to drop to match the drop in world exports. And we are going to have to take a share of that.

    The easiest short term way to alleviate the issue is to see if we can encourage more coal... the problem is that the price of seaborne coal has increased by just as much as natural gas.
    Anyone got Arthur Scargill's number?
    Hopefully Dignitas.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Chris said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    The risk of "rationing" and "shutdowns" and expense is due to how expensive and restricted carbon power has become due to Russia's invasion especially.

    Wind etc is reducing our vulnerability not increasing it.
    I and others should have looked at what he'd actually said before posting:
    https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/V6-Holy-Illusions.pdf

    The only reference to wind power is here:
    Instead of focusing on technological solutions that enable us to master our environment and get more energy in a more carbon-efficient way — nuclear, CCS, fracking, one day fusion – we have focused on managing demand so we can use medieval technology like wind power.

    He's not saying wind power isn't a positive. He's saying that other technologies would mean we wouldn't have to rely solely on wind power. (As I said, I don't understand why he described fracking as "carbon-efficient".)
    Nobody is saying wind power isn't a positive. OF course its a positive. Its a big positive. But as of yet it cannot do the heavy lifting we need to keep us going.

    One day it might. I hope it does. Right now it can't.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    Andy_JS said:

    FT Economics Editor:

    "@ChrisGiles_
    My column:

    Let's not be naive about Russia being able to send Europe into recession this winter.

    It can and it will

    But it doesn't have to be a calamity and it's Putin's last economic card (so long as Europe does the right things)"

    https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1557023371560361986

    That's broadly my view.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    Trump's legal problems are not limited to his possible theft of official documents, though that is getting most of coverage right now:
    "Donald Trump is facing historic legal and legislative scrutiny for a former president, under investigation by U.S. lawmakers, local district attorneys, a state attorney general and the Justice Department. Authorities are looking into Trump and his family business for a medley of possible wrongdoing, including his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol and how he valued his various assets for loan and tax purposes."
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/trump-investigations-litigation/

    And then, besides those official investigations, he is also the target of lawsuits by individuals and groups.

    Months ago, I argued that the accumulation of all these legal problems would erode his popularity with Republicans, bit by bit -- and I think we can see that happening. Moreover, if, as seems likely, his antics cause the Republicans to lose ground in the Senate this November, some Republicans are likely to turn against him because he is a loser.

    Here's hoping!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,439

    Trump's legal problems are not limited to his possible theft of official documents, though that is getting most of coverage right now:
    "Donald Trump is facing historic legal and legislative scrutiny for a former president, under investigation by U.S. lawmakers, local district attorneys, a state attorney general and the Justice Department. Authorities are looking into Trump and his family business for a medley of possible wrongdoing, including his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol and how he valued his various assets for loan and tax purposes."
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/trump-investigations-litigation/

    And then, besides those official investigations, he is also the target of lawsuits by individuals and groups.

    Months ago, I argued that the accumulation of all these legal problems would erode his popularity with Republicans, bit by bit -- and I think we can see that happening. Moreover, if, as seems likely, his antics cause the Republicans to lose ground in the Senate this November, some Republicans are likely to turn against him because he is a loser.

    And yet today Republican politicians, his rivals for 24 included are rushing to express their fealty and value supporting him above the rule of law, the FBI and even the whole federal nature of the USA.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    The former president has discovered a new test of power: using his own misconduct to compel party leaders to rally to him. One by one, they have executed the ritual of submission: Kevin McCarthy, Marco Rubio, even the would-be Trump replacer Ron DeSantis. Maybe they’re inwardly hoping the FBI will do for them what they are too weak and frightened to do for themselves.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-search-republicans-loyalty/671084/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    Why on earth would Truss bring him back into government? Never mind his views, she has plenty of MPs of at least equal quality to Lord Frost to choose from, why waste even a junior ministerial role on a peer, and a figure known for rocking the boat?
    It would be quite funny putting him in a junior role under Penny Mordaunt, who he demolished during her campaign.
    PMs need to take their humour where they can - putting people who hate each other in close proximity would work.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    MattW said:

    Another slow burning crisis.


    That's a 3 month old graph from John Burn-Murdoch in the FT, who is shockingly poor in his handling of data. Here he is debunked in the FT comments.

    In this case he does not even adequately define what he means by "Out of Pocket Spending" in the US and UK, nor explain why has excluded the pay packet contributions from US people which seem to me to come from their pockets.

    Article is here:
    https://www.ft.com/content/dbf166ce-1ebb-4a67-980e-9860fd170ba2

    Burn-Murdoch's usual shtick afaics is to focus on a detail, and ignore the wider context, then drawing sweeping conclusions from his narrow analysis than it justifies.

    This graph has been called out everywhere.
    So he is comparing the excess Americans are paying on their medical insurance with people in the U.K. paying for private health cover. Usually via insurance from work!

    All the people I know who use private medical (to nearly 100%) are using it to short circuit the wait for seeing a consultant. And doing so via insurance.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    Trump's legal problems are not limited to his possible theft of official documents, though that is getting most of coverage right now:
    "Donald Trump is facing historic legal and legislative scrutiny for a former president, under investigation by U.S. lawmakers, local district attorneys, a state attorney general and the Justice Department. Authorities are looking into Trump and his family business for a medley of possible wrongdoing, including his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol and how he valued his various assets for loan and tax purposes."
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/trump-investigations-litigation/

    And then, besides those official investigations, he is also the target of lawsuits by individuals and groups.

    Months ago, I argued that the accumulation of all these legal problems would erode his popularity with Republicans, bit by bit -- and I think we can see that happening. Moreover, if, as seems likely, his antics cause the Republicans to lose ground in the Senate this November, some Republicans are likely to turn against him because he is a loser.

    And yet today Republican politicians, his rivals for 24 included are rushing to express their fealty and value supporting him above the rule of law, the FBI and even the whole federal nature of the USA.
    It's a cult. A proto-fascist cult and it will destroy America if he is allowed to run and win again.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    The former president has discovered a new test of power: using his own misconduct to compel party leaders to rally to him. One by one, they have executed the ritual of submission: Kevin McCarthy, Marco Rubio, even the would-be Trump replacer Ron DeSantis. Maybe they’re inwardly hoping the FBI will do for them what they are too weak and frightened to do for themselves.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-search-republicans-loyalty/671084/

    Notably, this is something that Boris singularly failed to manage in the end - the MPs simply got fed up with eternally pledging loyalty when the next scandal popped up which they were expected to just eat.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772

    Nigelb said:

    Sounds like their Neptune anti-ship missiles, which as described have both the range and the ground attack capability.

    https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1557016814986661895
    The Ukrainian military official with knowledge of the situation said that Ukrainian forces were behind the explosion but would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”

    Could be. Some claims that the Ukrainians seriously degraded Russian air defence recently, which would increase the chance of missiles making it to their target.
    Neptune seems to be quite a nice missile.

    Should we buy some?

    {BAe achieves fusion at room temperature}
    We do have a tripartite military and economic alliance with Ukraine and Poland. A lot of potential for that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    The former president has discovered a new test of power: using his own misconduct to compel party leaders to rally to him. One by one, they have executed the ritual of submission: Kevin McCarthy, Marco Rubio, even the would-be Trump replacer Ron DeSantis. Maybe they’re inwardly hoping the FBI will do for them what they are too weak and frightened to do for themselves.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-search-republicans-loyalty/671084/

    That is not new, he used that test of power from the start - many of those who used to criticise things he said or did have, since he was first elected, gone on to defend much much worse statements and actions. They'd not even blink at some of the things they previously condemned.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,699
    kle4 said:

    Seems legit.

    That looks like the sort of batshit meme you get off far right cranks on Twitter.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Seems legit.

    That looks like the sort of batshit meme you get off far right cranks on Twitter.
    I prefer the one showing him as the God Emperor of Mankind.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    IshmaelZ said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    There's a rational argument in there somewhere. But there is no excuse for stupidity or for weaponising the stupidity of others. Do you see much force in the claim that wind energy is medieval?

    No that's overstating the case. If we can develop ways of saving large amounts of renewables for cold dry calm winter days (and nights) its the best solution. And there are some great ideas.

    Right now, we can't. Sorry. These industries are in their infancy. Its like expecting a fleet of Stevenson's Rockets to power a modern railway service.

    Its insane.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,837
    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    What do you mean by the "Lord Frosts of this world"?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    edited August 2022

    MattW said:

    Another slow burning crisis.


    That's a 3 month old graph from John Burn-Murdoch in the FT, who is shockingly poor in his handling of data. Here he is debunked in the FT comments.

    In this case he does not even adequately define what he means by "Out of Pocket Spending" in the US and UK, nor explain why has excluded the pay packet contributions from US people which seem to me to come from their pockets.

    Article is here:
    https://www.ft.com/content/dbf166ce-1ebb-4a67-980e-9860fd170ba2

    Burn-Murdoch's usual shtick afaics is to focus on a detail, and ignore the wider context, then drawing sweeping conclusions from his narrow analysis than it justifies.

    This graph has been called out everywhere.
    So he is comparing the excess Americans are paying on their medical insurance with people in the U.K. paying for private health cover. Usually via insurance from work!

    All the people I know who use private medical (to nearly 100%) are using it to short circuit the wait for seeing a consultant. And doing so via insurance.
    I could not get that far, because he does not explain it.

    He is comparing 'out of pocket payments' - with a an added bit of an emphasis on crowdfunding for exotic treatment. He also pulls in "out of pocket" payments by uninsured US people, which don't exist in the UK of course as everyone is covered by NHS (arguably, tourists aside).

    Other categories (which are other sub-categories of an American type health expenditure analysis he does not specify) are "compulsory" and "voluntary". He seems to put some things in voluntary that he does not specify etc.

    It's a shoot-from-the-hip dog's breakfast.

    There was another one recently where he was arguing without much supporting data and questionable comparisons that the NHS was in collapse because of 'chronic illness'. I think it was this one, which is now firewalled:
    https://www.ft.com/content/2f1d62ee-bc1b-4eae-bebd-f4e32076bcd5
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    If wind is the cheapest form of energy, and we have a lot of wind energy (on the verge of green superpowerdom blah blah blah) then why, pray, is energy so expensive?


    Everybody knows why energy is expensive. Its because the green lobby has over decades bust a gut absolutely everywhere to stop, hinder or restrict hydrocarbon investment and development. That's f8cking why.
    There's a global shortage of fusil fields because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine you stupid nitwit. If we, and the rest of Europe, had built wind turbines (and solar panels) more quickly we wouldn't need to buy so much gas and we'd save a fortune.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    MISTY said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    There's a rational argument in there somewhere. But there is no excuse for stupidity or for weaponising the stupidity of others. Do you see much force in the claim that wind energy is medieval?

    No that's overstating the case. If we can develop ways of saving large amounts of renewables for cold dry calm winter days (and nights) its the best solution. And there are some great ideas.

    Right now, we can't. Sorry. These industries are in their infancy. Its like expecting a fleet of Stevenson's Rockets to power a modern railway service.

    Its insane.
    The technology is there. It’s a matter of rolling it out.

    How many TWh of storage do you want?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    "A federal appeals court just ruled that the House of Representatives can gain access to Trump’s tax returns. The ruling upheld a district court judge’s decision last year that the law gives a House committee chairman broad authority to request them, despite Trump’s status as a former president."

    NY Times blog
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    If wind is the cheapest form of energy, and we have a lot of wind energy (on the verge of green superpowerdom blah blah blah) then why, pray, is energy so expensive?


    Everybody knows why energy is expensive. Its because the green lobby has over decades bust a gut absolutely everywhere to stop, hinder or restrict hydrocarbon investment and development. That's f8cking why.
    There's a global shortage of fusil fields because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine you stupid nitwit. If we, and the rest of Europe, had built wind turbines (and solar panels) more quickly we wouldn't need to buy so much gas and we'd save a fortune.
    Why is Vladimir Putin the only person with any gas? why does nobody else have gas, and why does he have so much?

    Because Vladimir Putin told the green lobby to do one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    kle4 said:

    The former president has discovered a new test of power: using his own misconduct to compel party leaders to rally to him. One by one, they have executed the ritual of submission: Kevin McCarthy, Marco Rubio, even the would-be Trump replacer Ron DeSantis. Maybe they’re inwardly hoping the FBI will do for them what they are too weak and frightened to do for themselves.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-search-republicans-loyalty/671084/

    Notably, this is something that Boris singularly failed to manage in the end - the MPs simply got fed up with eternally pledging loyalty when the next scandal popped up which they were expected to just eat.
    Yes, although Johnson still seems to be more popular according to the opinion polls, so we may not have completely escaped from him.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    If wind is the cheapest form of energy, and we have a lot of wind energy (on the verge of green superpowerdom blah blah blah) then why, pray, is energy so expensive?


    Everybody knows why energy is expensive. Its because the green lobby has over decades bust a gut absolutely everywhere to stop, hinder or restrict hydrocarbon investment and development. That's f8cking why.
    There's a global shortage of fusil fields because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine you stupid nitwit. If we, and the rest of Europe, had built wind turbines (and solar panels) more quickly we wouldn't need to buy so much gas and we'd save a fortune.
    Why is Vladimir Putin the only person with any gas? why does nobody else have gas, and why does he have so much?

    Because Vladimir Putin told the green lobby to do one.
    Geology.
  • kle4 said:

    Seems legit.

    Biden 81 million votes
    Trump 74 million votes

    :innocent:
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,837
    Oh dear, that Trump launch video. It manages to be both turgid and cheesy at the same time. I remain happy with my Big Short.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited August 2022

    kle4 said:

    The former president has discovered a new test of power: using his own misconduct to compel party leaders to rally to him. One by one, they have executed the ritual of submission: Kevin McCarthy, Marco Rubio, even the would-be Trump replacer Ron DeSantis. Maybe they’re inwardly hoping the FBI will do for them what they are too weak and frightened to do for themselves.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-search-republicans-loyalty/671084/

    Notably, this is something that Boris singularly failed to manage in the end - the MPs simply got fed up with eternally pledging loyalty when the next scandal popped up which they were expected to just eat.
    Yes, although Johnson still seems to be more popular according to the opinion polls, so we may not have completely escaped from him.
    The elected figures, at least, have less to fear from their members than US Republicans do. It's why they could have been braver, earlier.

    Once a new leader is in place they should hopefully move on, like Labour's members have.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    If wind is the cheapest form of energy, and we have a lot of wind energy (on the verge of green superpowerdom blah blah blah) then why, pray, is energy so expensive?


    Everybody knows why energy is expensive. Its because the green lobby has over decades bust a gut absolutely everywhere to stop, hinder or restrict hydrocarbon investment and development. That's f8cking why.
    There's a global shortage of fusil fields because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine you stupid nitwit. If we, and the rest of Europe, had built wind turbines (and solar panels) more quickly we wouldn't need to buy so much gas and we'd save a fortune.
    Why is Vladimir Putin the only person with any gas? why does nobody else have gas, and why does he have so much?

    Because Vladimir Putin told the green lobby to do one.
    Putin isn’t the only one with gas. Russia represents something like 10% of global supply.

    The reason Russia has gas is that it has large, fairly accessible fields.

    The Norwegians have lots of gas. We have some. Most of Europe doesn’t have gas deposits.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    How is he planning on persuading energy companies to drill for gas in the UK? There is this slightly naïve view, that there are massive - easy to extract - gas reserves in the UK, and you merely need to mutter the word "fracking" and the natural gas with flow.

    The reality - and I speak as a man who lost a lot of money in Igas - is that the wells and core samples have been very disappointing. Yes, there's gas. But it's nowhere near as abundant or technically easy as the best US shale plays.

    Now, the UK government could massively subsidise its extraction - and there's an energy security case for that - but what if the price for imported Australian LNG is $6/mmbtu, and the price of Blackpool natural gas is $30? That's paying an awful lot for security of supply.
    If that's the case, and I'm not saying it isn't, then why are the frackers so keen to get fracking? private companies don't bother with unpromising or marginal sites, and yet the lobby to start fracking seems pretty intense...??
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080

    Nigelb said:

    Sounds like their Neptune anti-ship missiles, which as described have both the range and the ground attack capability.

    https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1557016814986661895
    The Ukrainian military official with knowledge of the situation said that Ukrainian forces were behind the explosion but would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”

    Could be. Some claims that the Ukrainians seriously degraded Russian air defence recently, which would increase the chance of missiles making it to their target.
    Neptune seems to be quite a nice missile.

    Should we buy some?

    {BAe achieves fusion at room temperature}
    We do have a tripartite military and economic alliance with Ukraine and Poland. A lot of potential for that.
    No one has said it was Neptune ... and it doesn't have the range unless there is a new one, or something carried it half of the way.

    Suspect some studied ambiguity is happening to keep Ivan guessing.

    The one I would like to see is more Russian troops in the pontential Kherson Kessel, then them being cut off and stranded.
  • Anyone got a live link to the hustings this evening 7 pm at Darlington? All the previous ones have been on youtube but I'm not finding anything......
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    MISTY said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    How is he planning on persuading energy companies to drill for gas in the UK? There is this slightly naïve view, that there are massive - easy to extract - gas reserves in the UK, and you merely need to mutter the word "fracking" and the natural gas with flow.

    The reality - and I speak as a man who lost a lot of money in Igas - is that the wells and core samples have been very disappointing. Yes, there's gas. But it's nowhere near as abundant or technically easy as the best US shale plays.

    Now, the UK government could massively subsidise its extraction - and there's an energy security case for that - but what if the price for imported Australian LNG is $6/mmbtu, and the price of Blackpool natural gas is $30? That's paying an awful lot for security of supply.
    If that's the case, and I'm not saying it isn't, then why are the frackers so keen to get fracking? private companies don't bother with unpromising or marginal sites, and yet the lobby to start fracking seems pretty intense...??
    The phenomenon of people hell bent on losing their shirts is an ancient and fascinating one.

    Look at the light space launch space market. Billions being invested in dozens of startups. That in most cases are aiming for a higher cost per launch than existing market participants. Yes, their business plan is to offer a product that costs more than the competition….

    The fact is many people will make lots of money providing the equipment, drilling holes etc, even if the investors lose their shirts. Just as in the light launch industry many people will have a good salary while the merry go round turns. And if they cash out their stock options before the bust, maybe even Fuck-You-Money.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sounds like their Neptune anti-ship missiles, which as described have both the range and the ground attack capability.

    https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1557016814986661895
    The Ukrainian military official with knowledge of the situation said that Ukrainian forces were behind the explosion but would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”

    Could be. Some claims that the Ukrainians seriously degraded Russian air defence recently, which would increase the chance of missiles making it to their target.
    Neptune seems to be quite a nice missile.

    Should we buy some?

    {BAe achieves fusion at room temperature}
    We do have a tripartite military and economic alliance with Ukraine and Poland. A lot of potential for that.
    No one has said it was Neptune ... and it doesn't have the range unless there is a new one, or something carried it half of the way.

    Suspect some studied ambiguity is happening to keep Ivan guessing.

    The one I would like to see is more Russian troops in the pontential Kherson Kessel, then them being cut off and stranded.
    The Neptune has a long enough range (280km) to hit the airfield which is at a distance of (218km) from the front line.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1556992053426458624

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-360_Neptune

    But there's are lots of other possibilities. Could be ATACMS. Could be sabotage. Sometimes we hear more details about these sorts of strikes later and sometimes not.
  • https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1557033977315315715

    Labour lead by 15% in the Red Wall. Red Wall Voting Intention (8 August): Labour 48% (+3) Conservative 33% (-1) Liberal Democrat 7% (-3) Reform UK 6% (+3) Green 5% (–) Other 1% (-2) Plaid Cymru 1% (–) Changes +/- 25-26 July

    BJO please explain?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sounds like their Neptune anti-ship missiles, which as described have both the range and the ground attack capability.

    https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1557016814986661895
    The Ukrainian military official with knowledge of the situation said that Ukrainian forces were behind the explosion but would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”

    Could be. Some claims that the Ukrainians seriously degraded Russian air defence recently, which would increase the chance of missiles making it to their target.
    Neptune seems to be quite a nice missile.

    Should we buy some?

    {BAe achieves fusion at room temperature}
    We do have a tripartite military and economic alliance with Ukraine and Poland. A lot of potential for that.
    No one has said it was Neptune ... and it doesn't have the range unless there is a new one, or something carried it half of the way.

    Suspect some studied ambiguity is happening to keep Ivan guessing.

    The one I would like to see is more Russian troops in the pontential Kherson Kessel, then them being cut off and stranded.
    Given the ingenuity (forced by circumstance) that Ukrainian engineers have shown, a stretched Neptune seems quite plausible to me.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sounds like their Neptune anti-ship missiles, which as described have both the range and the ground attack capability.

    https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1557016814986661895
    The Ukrainian military official with knowledge of the situation said that Ukrainian forces were behind the explosion but would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”

    Could be. Some claims that the Ukrainians seriously degraded Russian air defence recently, which would increase the chance of missiles making it to their target.
    Neptune seems to be quite a nice missile.

    Should we buy some?

    {BAe achieves fusion at room temperature}
    We do have a tripartite military and economic alliance with Ukraine and Poland. A lot of potential for that.
    No one has said it was Neptune ... and it doesn't have the range unless there is a new one, or something carried it half of the way.

    Suspect some studied ambiguity is happening to keep Ivan guessing.

    The one I would like to see is more Russian troops in the pontential Kherson Kessel, then them being cut off and stranded.
    The Neptune has a long enough range (280km) to hit the airfield which is at a distance of (218km) from the front line.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1556992053426458624

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-360_Neptune

    But there's are lots of other possibilities. Could be ATACMS. Could be sabotage. Sometimes we hear more details about these sorts of strikes later and sometimes not.
    Thank-you . That's interesting.

    I had Neptune in my head as "tested to 100 miles".

    I think they need one with 1000km or so, so they can also get the Baltic Fleet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,551

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    I wouldn't use that language but yes he is !!!!!!
    It's good old Yorkshire shorthand forsomeone dafter than a daft 'ap 'orth.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,530
    This might rile up Trumps base but those who aren’t totally wedded to the cult are becoming tired of all the drama surrounding him .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,551
    kle4 said:

    Seems legit.

    No, the hands are too big.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Jon Sopel
    @jonsopel
    ·
    5h
    The paradox of the #MarALago raid by the #FBI is that it makes a run by #DonaldTrump in 2024 arguably more likely. The fury and swiftness of the response on the right in support of him, and against ‘overreach’ by the feds is quite something. Best day he’s had since leaving office
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    MattW said:

    Another slow burning crisis.


    That's a 3 month old graph from John Burn-Murdoch in the FT, who is shockingly poor in his handling of data. Here he is debunked in the FT comments.

    In this case he does not even adequately define what he means by "Out of Pocket Spending" in the US and UK, nor explain why has excluded the pay packet contributions from US people which seem to me to come from their pockets.

    Article is here:
    https://www.ft.com/content/dbf166ce-1ebb-4a67-980e-9860fd170ba2

    Burn-Murdoch's usual shtick afaics is to focus on a detail, and ignore the wider context, then drawing sweeping conclusions from his narrow analysis than it justifies.

    This graph has been called out everywhere.
    I’m sure you’re right, but Burn-Murdoch is a Visiting Senior Fellow in Data Science at the LSE, whereas you’re some guy on the internet who seems weirdly defensive about Brexit and the cost of old age pensions.

    More data needed, I think.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,952

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    Onshore wind is also (along with improving insulation and other efficiency measures) about the only thing that can be ramped up at all over the next four months.
    Really? Where are you importing the kit from and getting planning permission through in that time?

    Dream on.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,530

    Jon Sopel
    @jonsopel
    ·
    5h
    The paradox of the #MarALago raid by the #FBI is that it makes a run by #DonaldTrump in 2024 arguably more likely. The fury and swiftness of the response on the right in support of him, and against ‘overreach’ by the feds is quite something. Best day he’s had since leaving office

    Maybe it’s a plot to get him to run . Any Dem running against Trump has a much better chance of winning .
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    Absolute drivel from Rishi.
    It would beg the question why this hasn’t been done already, but you need a lobotomy to take this stuff seriously.

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1556593752633999362?s=20&t=Yy4ISncM9u9kUdOv2foK4Q
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,551
    Thread on how Ukraine might be using the anti-radar HARM missiles, which seems to make sense.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/noclador/status/1556751670402596865
    How did the US mount AGM-88 HARM missiles onto Ukrainian fighters... well, I think I know how. A short thread 🧵:

    AGM-88B/C-1/D missiles have three operation modes:

    • Self-Protect (SP)
    • Target Of Opportunity (TOO)
    • Pre-Briefed (PB)


    The 150km range in the latter mode is quite impressive.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,112

    Absolute drivel from Rishi.
    It would beg the question why this hasn’t been done already, but you need a lobotomy to take this stuff seriously.

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1556593752633999362?s=20&t=Yy4ISncM9u9kUdOv2foK4Q

    As Henry Mance implies, also, anyone who is still using a strip shredder in government work is seriously unfit. I wouldn't even use it for private purposes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    Onshore wind is also (along with improving insulation and other efficiency measures) about the only thing that can be ramped up at all over the next four months.
    Really? Where are you importing the kit from and getting planning permission through in that time?

    Dream on.
    The only thing that can be set up in tie frame is containerised diesel generators. Wonder what the prices for those is doing….
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,007
    I suspect that Trump meme will prove effective.

    There's enough belief in his target selectorate that they are being economically and culturally victimised, not all of which is totally unfounded, for it to take hold.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    nico679 said:

    Jon Sopel
    @jonsopel
    ·
    5h
    The paradox of the #MarALago raid by the #FBI is that it makes a run by #DonaldTrump in 2024 arguably more likely. The fury and swiftness of the response on the right in support of him, and against ‘overreach’ by the feds is quite something. Best day he’s had since leaving office

    Maybe it’s a plot to get him to run . Any Dem running against Trump has a much better chance of winning .
    Not worth the risk - he was not that far off winning in 2020, despite being so many votes behind.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    Absolute drivel from Rishi.
    It would beg the question why this hasn’t been done already, but you need a lobotomy to take this stuff seriously.

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1556593752633999362?s=20&t=Yy4ISncM9u9kUdOv2foK4Q

    Didn't he have to fall back on the old 'efficiency savings' the other day as well? He's really struggling for material.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,741
    Evening all :)

    God help me, I have just seen into the very maw of madness itself.

    I'm not well today - I returned from the Lake District with Kendal Mint cake, some other local offerings and a stinking summer cold.

    Anyway, having recovered from my non-work related afternoon sleep, I decided to try to ease my delirium with a little tv and alighted on GB News and some offering called "Dewbs & Co". At first, I thought it might be a plucky attempt to re-create the manic humour of Tiswas from the early 80s.

    How wrong was I.

    Instead, Michelle Dewberry holds forth to a sycophantic group of individuals on the subject of the Conservative leadership contest - fair enough, was she going to discuss the philosophical and policy differences between Truss and Sunak or evaluate their latest hustings performances?

    No, apparently it's "all gone on too long" - why, she opined, didn't the Conservatives agree to end the contest at the end of July so "the winner could get on with it, recall Parliament in the second week of August and start governing". Apparently, democracy and the democratic process now have to align with those who have the attention span of an easily-distracted gnat. Apparently, the Tories should have changed their own rules so we could get a quicker result.

    I suppose the next thing will be the 24-hour election - dissolution Wednesday, vote Thursday, new Government Friday.

    Apart from at this point reaching for the painkillers my other thought was to ask how much time in the past 6-8 weeks "Dewbs & Co" has devoted to the Conservative leadership election and how much they have entertained their 30 or 40 viewers. I was left thinking a pint with Nigel Farage might not be the worst option after all.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,838
    eek said:
    Too bad, gov't coffers are stretched already so they'll just have to go without I guess.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    I wouldn't use that language but yes he is !!!!!!
    It's good old Yorkshire shorthand forsomeone dafter than a daft 'ap 'orth.
    I despair that Frost has any involvement at all
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    MISTY said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    How is he planning on persuading energy companies to drill for gas in the UK? There is this slightly naïve view, that there are massive - easy to extract - gas reserves in the UK, and you merely need to mutter the word "fracking" and the natural gas with flow.

    The reality - and I speak as a man who lost a lot of money in Igas - is that the wells and core samples have been very disappointing. Yes, there's gas. But it's nowhere near as abundant or technically easy as the best US shale plays.

    Now, the UK government could massively subsidise its extraction - and there's an energy security case for that - but what if the price for imported Australian LNG is $6/mmbtu, and the price of Blackpool natural gas is $30? That's paying an awful lot for security of supply.
    If that's the case, and I'm not saying it isn't, then why are the frackers so keen to get fracking? private companies don't bother with unpromising or marginal sites, and yet the lobby to start fracking seems pretty intense...??
    The phenomenon of people hell bent on losing their shirts is an ancient and fascinating one.

    Look at the light space launch space market. Billions being invested in dozens of startups. That in most cases are aiming for a higher cost per launch than existing market participants. Yes, their business plan is to offer a product that costs more than the competition….

    The fact is many people will make lots of money providing the equipment, drilling holes etc, even if the investors lose their shirts. Just as in the light launch industry many people will have a good salary while the merry go round turns. And if they cash out their stock options before the bust, maybe even Fuck-You-Money.
    The worst thing about the light launch industry is that there might be billions to be made in new space over the next few years. Yet people are concentrating on the trucks, rather than the cargo, as the trucks are 'sexy'.

    I was interested to see that Northrop Grumman are going with a small NewSpace company called Firefly to provide engines for its Antares rocket - as that currently relies n Russian engines. I can see Firefly abandoning its own rocket now (although they might try to get it to orbit, just to say they did so).

    If I wanted to lose a fortune in the space industry (which is much more likely than making a fortune), then I would make launcher-agnostic cargo - e.g. satellites - rather than yet another launcher.

    At least SpinLaunch are doing something different - even if it is crazy...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,551
    As someone who’s sunk many years into studying FBI’s political abuses of power, I’ll note that they tended to involve *secret* surveillance, for the obvious reason that it’s rather dangerous to openly go after powerful political actors when you don’t, in fact, have the goods...
    I suppose it’s conceivable that a notoriously cautious AG has decided to frivolously and very publicly kick a hornet’s nest for the sake of mildly inconveniencing the former president. But it does not seem very likely.

    https://twitter.com/normative/status/1557047082250272772
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,753

    kle4 said:

    Seems legit.

    How is a stable democracy falling for this neofascist shite?

    It is barely believable.
    Trump is not operating in a stable democracy. He has already seen to that.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,530
    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    Jon Sopel
    @jonsopel
    ·
    5h
    The paradox of the #MarALago raid by the #FBI is that it makes a run by #DonaldTrump in 2024 arguably more likely. The fury and swiftness of the response on the right in support of him, and against ‘overreach’ by the feds is quite something. Best day he’s had since leaving office

    Maybe it’s a plot to get him to run . Any Dem running against Trump has a much better chance of winning .
    Not worth the risk - he was not that far off winning in 2020, despite being so many votes behind.
    That was before the Jan 6 attack on Congress.

    I don’t see how he wins again and the GOP would rather someone else ran but are too frightened to say so now because of Trumps base . That’s not enough now to win elections but enough to keep the GOP in check .
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,741
    eek said:
    Not as dramatic as it might sound as the article suggests. Those whose political sympathies lie with either Sadiq Khan or Grant Shapps will want to make as much capital (sorry) as they can but fortunately the grown-ups doing the actual negotiating will reach a deal of sorts.

    Looking at the actual numbers, while weekend passenger numbers are back to 80-90% of pre-Covid, the weekday numbers are still at 65-75%. TfL are compensating by running fewer tubes so bigger gaps so the perception may be it's back to pre-Covid but it's not. Add in fare evasion which is endemic in my part of town especially among young men and even with more tourists about the truth is the pre-Covid operational model is broken.

    It's likely inflation will mean big fare increases in January which will go down like a lump of cold sick with public transport passengers but that won't help TfL that much. I suspect it won't come to, for example, mothballing the Bakerloo Line but there will be some serious reviews of the service if the numbers continue as they are.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279

    Anyone got a live link to the hustings this evening 7 pm at Darlington? All the previous ones have been on youtube but I'm not finding anything......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOf3M97FpZc
  • kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    Jon Sopel
    @jonsopel
    ·
    5h
    The paradox of the #MarALago raid by the #FBI is that it makes a run by #DonaldTrump in 2024 arguably more likely. The fury and swiftness of the response on the right in support of him, and against ‘overreach’ by the feds is quite something. Best day he’s had since leaving office

    Maybe it’s a plot to get him to run . Any Dem running against Trump has a much better chance of winning .
    Not worth the risk - he was not that far off winning in 2020, despite being so many votes behind.
    He also lost the popular vote in 2016
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,590

    MISTY said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html

    How is he planning on persuading energy companies to drill for gas in the UK? There is this slightly naïve view, that there are massive - easy to extract - gas reserves in the UK, and you merely need to mutter the word "fracking" and the natural gas with flow.

    The reality - and I speak as a man who lost a lot of money in Igas - is that the wells and core samples have been very disappointing. Yes, there's gas. But it's nowhere near as abundant or technically easy as the best US shale plays.

    Now, the UK government could massively subsidise its extraction - and there's an energy security case for that - but what if the price for imported Australian LNG is $6/mmbtu, and the price of Blackpool natural gas is $30? That's paying an awful lot for security of supply.
    If that's the case, and I'm not saying it isn't, then why are the frackers so keen to get fracking? private companies don't bother with unpromising or marginal sites, and yet the lobby to start fracking seems pretty intense...??
    The phenomenon of people hell bent on losing their shirts is an ancient and fascinating one.

    Look at the light space launch space market. Billions being invested in dozens of startups. That in most cases are aiming for a higher cost per launch than existing market participants. Yes, their business plan is to offer a product that costs more than the competition….

    The fact is many people will make lots of money providing the equipment, drilling holes etc, even if the investors lose their shirts. Just as in the light launch industry many people will have a good salary while the merry go round turns. And if they cash out their stock options before the bust, maybe even Fuck-You-Money.
    The worst thing about the light launch industry is that there might be billions to be made in new space over the next few years. Yet people are concentrating on the trucks, rather than the cargo, as the trucks are 'sexy'.

    I was interested to see that Northrop Grumman are going with a small NewSpace company called Firefly to provide engines for its Antares rocket - as that currently relies n Russian engines. I can see Firefly abandoning its own rocket now (although they might try to get it to orbit, just to say they did so).

    If I wanted to lose a fortune in the space industry (which is much more likely than making a fortune), then I would make launcher-agnostic cargo - e.g. satellites - rather than yet another launcher.

    At least SpinLaunch are doing something different - even if it is crazy...
    NG are going with Firefly because they have demonstrated that they can build a new rocket engine for less money. Rather than say, Aerojet. Who can re-warm an existing design, badly, for only 534% extra cost.

    This is awesome - new technology cutting costs and producing better products. It will also catapult Firefly up the size category into the medium/heavy lift world. I think that Firefly will simply move into bigger rockets….

    Note Tom Mueller is doing in space stuff now….
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    eek said:
    That sounds like quite a brave response from TFL.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,742
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Olive oil prices to rise 25% as heatwave hits production
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62433295

    Ok, this sh*t's just got real.
    No problem. We’re going back to 1980 apparently when olive oil was something you got from the chemist to clear ear wax, Mazola or dripping all the way otherwise.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,140
    MISTY said:

    Chris said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    "No evidence world faces climate emergency"?

    What other than the gazillion tons of evidence from scientists all around the world for decades now.

    The bloke is a world class clown.

    He needs a sit down with Telegraph's AEP who will patiently explain to him that we are on the threshold of being a world power in wind thanks to the N Sea Dogger Bank projects. Gigawatts of the stuff.

    We must all pray that this idiot doesn't get the business or energy brief in Truss's fiasco administration.


    People keep reading about how we are on the verge of green superpowerdom - as the government plans for rationing and shutdowns over the winter.

    Voters experiences are far, far removed from the paradise situation you and many on here describe. And you have no explanation as to why that is. Not really.

    You must therefore expect the Lord Frosts of this world to come in and seize the initiative before everybody f8cking freezes.
    The risk of "rationing" and "shutdowns" and expense is due to how expensive and restricted carbon power has become due to Russia's invasion especially.

    Wind etc is reducing our vulnerability not increasing it.
    I and others should have looked at what he'd actually said before posting:
    https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/V6-Holy-Illusions.pdf

    The only reference to wind power is here:
    Instead of focusing on technological solutions that enable us to master our environment and get more energy in a more carbon-efficient way — nuclear, CCS, fracking, one day fusion – we have focused on managing demand so we can use medieval technology like wind power.

    He's not saying wind power isn't a positive. He's saying that other technologies would mean we wouldn't have to rely solely on wind power. (As I said, I don't understand why he described fracking as "carbon-efficient".)
    Nobody is saying wind power isn't a positive. OF course its a positive. Its a big positive. But as of yet it cannot do the heavy lifting we need to keep us going.

    One day it might. I hope it does. Right now it can't.
    So, how do we get to that future? By investing in wind power and wind power technology.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,140
    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ex-Cabinet minister Lord Frost says there is no evidence world is facing ‘a climate emergency’ and Britain should end focus on ‘medieval’ wind power and go all in for nuclear and fracking

    He calls change of tack with greater emphasis on fracking and nuclear power
    Tory peer backs Liz Truss for PM - with claims he may soon return to Government"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11094685/Lord-Frost-says-theres-no-climate-emergency-Britain-end-focus-medieval-wind-power.html


    Lord Frost is a twat.
    Unfortunately, he is a twit with a platform who says things that some people want to hear.

    And those people are about to select our next Prime Minister for us...

    (Goes to find somewhere quiet and dark to go and wimper for a bit.)
    IF you think Frost's message is appealing to some now, wait til January.

    Considering wind power is the cheapest form of energy, I think it will be appealing to nobody sane.
    If wind is the cheapest form of energy, and we have a lot of wind energy (on the verge of green superpowerdom blah blah blah) then why, pray, is energy so expensive?


    Everybody knows why energy is expensive. Its because the green lobby has over decades bust a gut absolutely everywhere to stop, hinder or restrict hydrocarbon investment and development. That's f8cking why.
    There's a global shortage of fusil fields because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine you stupid nitwit. If we, and the rest of Europe, had built wind turbines (and solar panels) more quickly we wouldn't need to buy so much gas and we'd save a fortune.
    Why is Vladimir Putin the only person with any gas? why does nobody else have gas, and why does he have so much?

    Because Vladimir Putin told the green lobby to do one.
    I think it’s more to do with Russia being the largest country in the world and, thus, conveniently including some large gas fields.

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