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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 9,513
    And now another country sends instructors to help with the British-led infantry training program for Ukraine.

    "The Kyiv Independent
    @KyivIndependent
    ⚡️Finland to send military personnel to UK to train Ukrainian soldiers.

    About 20 Finnish service personnel will participate in the British training program for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The trainers will join up to 120 Swedish and 225 Canadian instructors.
    3:48 AM · Aug 9, 2022"


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1556834661292179456
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,489
    edited August 9
    Having read Eddie Jones's book (it's very good), I'd guess his comments are designed to wind up the public school boys in the current England team.
  • eekeek Posts: 20,666

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,323
    rcs1000 said:

    Is Lord Brown going to be in Starmer's Cabinet?

    He seems to be all over the media at the moment.

    Or maybe he is just covering the shop while Sir K takes a two week holiday?

    He would be an unusual choice.
    What, because he is a Cambridge graduate? Good point.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393

    Come Shadsy put up a market on these snitches are.

    Former Downing Street figures are preparing to give evidence claiming Boris Johnson misled Parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal, The Telegraph can reveal.

    This newspaper has talked to three people contacted by the committee investigating whether the Prime Minister misled MPs about what he knew about the lockdown-breaking gatherings.

    All three have alleged that Mr Johnson did not give the fullest account of the facts as he knew them at the time. One has agreed to give evidence to the committee, and two others are considering likewise.

    The development gives the clearest indication yet of what material Harriet Harman, the Labour chairman of the privileges committee, is starting to gather as part of her investigation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/08/boris-johnson-misled-parliament-partygate-downing-street-ex/

    Quick! Shut down the "witch hunt!!!"
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,328
    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    Agree - all the expensive stuff is put at eye level, with the value version tucked away somewhere high/low.

    Time is another thing poor people don't have loads of, so getting through a gargantuan Asda 10mins quicker will add up.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,717
    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    I think that's ASDA following suit, isn't it?

    Other supermarkets already use Yellow don't they?

    It reminds me of the old brand that used to be around in Yorkshire - "My Mum's ..."
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 41,813
    @AnthonySabatini
    It’s time for us in the Florida Legislature to call an emergency legislative session & amend our laws regarding federal agencies

    Sever all ties with DOJ immediately

    Any FBI agent conducting law enforcement functions outside the purview of our State should be arrested upon sight


    https://twitter.com/anthonysabatini/status/1556805568207196160
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 9,513
    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    One reason Aldi/Lidl are popular is the pseudo-brands. Cheap products but in "branded"packaging. But then they don't have vast varieties of the same thing, so you don't have to look hard for the cheapest tin of tomatoes.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,328
    MattW said:

    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    I think that's ASDA following suit, isn't it?

    Other supermarkets already use Yellow don't they?

    It reminds me of the old brand that used to be around in Yorkshire - "My Mum's ..."
    Nah, yellow/orange is used for stuff that is on offer.

    I can spot a nearly out of date Tesco finest pizza at about 50m.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    This is silly. If this winter is like the last time we had a major contraction in grocery spending power, the "Just Essentials" poverty packs will be sold in such vast numbers that nobody will feel left out.

    They are bright yellow specifically so that they are visible - its called beacon branding. Look! All the bright yellow packs are great value ad our store is full of yellow so come shop here!!!! Bright yellow for basic tier is nothing new. And Asda want customers switching their shop from Home Bargains and Poundland, so it has to be visible.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 9,347

    RUGBY UNION
    Eddie Jones: Public schools’ fury as England head coach suggests privately educated players lack resilience

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-jones-public-schools-fury-as-england-head-coach-suggests-privately-educated-players-lack-resilience-9c6px2ffl (£££)

    Same in politics. Vote Truss.

    Hardly surprising that people who get given things on a plate are less resilient than people who have to overcome adversity. Funny how they always get so angry when you question or threaten their supposed superiority.
    That’s prejudice speaking, right there. Every person faces challenges in their lives. Eddie Jones’s period has been at times thrilling, and I will never forge5 crushing Australia and then cruising past NZ at the WC. But I will always remember the disaster against SA too.
    We haven’t got get better, we’ve got worse in recent years. Time for a change.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    Literally that - "beacon branding". When its own label and can be across the whole shop it can be very effective. ISTR Co-op were yellow with their own basics range last time we had a big crunch, having inherited it from Zummerfield.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 37,175
    I would give Trump a total amnesty if he undertook to submit to full psychological and psychiatric analysis and profiling. The lessons learned would be hugely valuable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 41,239
    Telegraph:

    Former Downing Street figures are preparing to give evidence claiming Boris Johnson misled Parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal, The Telegraph can reveal.

    This newspaper has talked to three people contacted by the committee investigating whether the Prime Minister misled MPs about what he knew about the lockdown-breaking gatherings.

    All three have alleged that Mr Johnson did not give the fullest account of the facts as he knew them at the time. One has agreed to give evidence to the committee, and two others are considering likewise.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,488
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    In discussions of "average" house temperatures, it might be clearer if people were to say what times they are talking about. For example, an American might keep their house at 60 degrees when they are sleeping, 72 degrees when they are awake and in the house, and then 60 again when they are away at work. That works out, if those are roughly equal periods, to an average of about 64 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 18 degrees Celsius.

    And what seasons, for similar reasons.

    (If they have a "smart" thermostat, they could lower the day time temperature even more, and begin a warm-up shortly before they get home, saving even more energy in the winter and, if they have air condiitoning, do the reverse in he summer.)

    Almost no-one has air conditioning at home in the UK, which makes it very difficult to sleep on the few nights when it is hot.
    Heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers are the answer: pretty great at warming your house in winter, and can be used to cool it (albeit not as much as air conditioning) in summer. But massively more energy efficient.

    We overwhelmingly have air to water heat pumps that can’t do cooling, not air to air.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Looking forwards to the FBI breaking down Nancy Pelosi's door as they investigate her husband's remarkable success in trading shares in companies where Congress has access to privileged access.

    And that's even before we even get to Hunter "it's not his laptop but maybe it is but it doesn't matter anyway" Biden and how much old Cornpop knew.

    @AnthonySabatini
    It’s time for us in the Florida Legislature to call an emergency legislative session & amend our laws regarding federal agencies

    Sever all ties with DOJ immediately

    Any FBI agent conducting law enforcement functions outside the purview of our State should be arrested upon sight


    https://twitter.com/anthonysabatini/status/1556805568207196160

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393

    @AnthonySabatini
    It’s time for us in the Florida Legislature to call an emergency legislative session & amend our laws regarding federal agencies

    Sever all ties with DOJ immediately

    Any FBI agent conducting law enforcement functions outside the purview of our State should be arrested upon sight


    https://twitter.com/anthonysabatini/status/1556805568207196160

    Like I said, this is what the Trump RICO has done to America. Imagine the Illinois legislature having Elliot Ness arrested for threatening their favourite gangster Mr Capone.

    Would have made for a very different movie. "Only a wop brings a knife to a legislative fight"
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 37,175
    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,488
    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    Don’t be so hard on yourself
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393

    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    Apparently not. Now does the Federal structure matter to the Gilead Party as seen in that tweet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,717

    From water shortages to soaring energy bills and chaos at airports, greedy bosses have betrayed Margaret Thatcher's privatisation dream
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11093467/ALEX-BRUMMER-Greedy-bosses-betrayed-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-dream.html

    The Brexit excuse? Privatisation was a brilliant magic money tree policy and it's unfair that it has all gone wrong.

    Here is the fundamental problem will flogging off strategic national infrastructure like water. There is no free market. No competition. Simply a monopoly where private companies "have paid their bosses gargantuan salaries, and their foreign owners enormous dividends, while failing to invest in the infrastructure necessary to deal with a thirsty and growing population."

    But it is a regulated industry. So regulate the fuckers to do the strategic national infrastructure part. They won't invest otherwise so force them to do so as part of their operating license.

    The 30 year failure of all governments to properly "regulate the fuckers" is the failing. Yes they should never have been flogged off abroad cheaply, but having done that they should at least have been forced to do what they need to do.
    The real advantage is that it is taken away from direct political control. When nationalised, it becomes all about appearances and protecting political arses in the too and fro, rather than supplying a decent water service.

    See, for example, the backside-covering reactions when the Ferret Fact Service found that shitty rivers had been tackled far less effectively in ('nationalised' water) Scotland than (privatised water) England:
    https://theferret.scot/scotland-behind-england-sewage-leaks/

    I'm not convinced by the "privatisation failure" talking point - more investment, a lot less leakage, much higher purity water, and so on. To me it is like the delusional people alleging that rail privatisation is an abject failure compared to British Rail.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1556827746033995776

    Love Fux News - "Biden's FBI raid home of potential 2024 opponent".
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 18,310

    Trump is saying that he has been raided by the FBI.

    I hope he said 'Is this some kind of a bust?', and they said 'Yes, it's very impressive, but we have a warrant to search these premises.'
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 31,222
    A little advice from PB, please.

    The little 'un wants to go fossil hunting in Lyme Regis (because of the Mary Anning connection). He is not massively into fossils, so I expect most of the day to be playing on the beach.

    I'm thinking of doing Splashdown in Poole with him one day, and perhaps the tank museum. Does anyone have other ideas of things for kids, museums etc in the area to the west of Southampton? I'm fairly knowledgeable about the coast, but not so much inland.

    TIA.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Explain to me why heat pumps are not shit.

    Everything I read suggests they operate at 35C not 60-70C, so how do they get a radiator hot enough to heat a room? Also, if it's really cold, does the output drop making it chillier just when you need it most? How do you turn up the thermostat quickly so it responds? What about extra hot water you need for a bath or shower?

    They sound shit.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,489

    A little advice from PB, please.

    The little 'un wants to go fossil hunting in Lyme Regis (because of the Mary Anning connection). He is not massively into fossils, so I expect most of the day to be playing on the beach.

    I'm thinking of doing Splashdown in Poole with him one day, and perhaps the tank museum. Does anyone have other ideas of things for kids, museums etc in the area to the west of Southampton? I'm fairly knowledgeable about the coast, but not so much inland.

    TIA.

    My sister and family were in Dorset recently. Swanage steam railway and Corfe Castle might be of interest.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    MattW said:

    From water shortages to soaring energy bills and chaos at airports, greedy bosses have betrayed Margaret Thatcher's privatisation dream
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11093467/ALEX-BRUMMER-Greedy-bosses-betrayed-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-dream.html

    The Brexit excuse? Privatisation was a brilliant magic money tree policy and it's unfair that it has all gone wrong.

    Here is the fundamental problem will flogging off strategic national infrastructure like water. There is no free market. No competition. Simply a monopoly where private companies "have paid their bosses gargantuan salaries, and their foreign owners enormous dividends, while failing to invest in the infrastructure necessary to deal with a thirsty and growing population."

    But it is a regulated industry. So regulate the fuckers to do the strategic national infrastructure part. They won't invest otherwise so force them to do so as part of their operating license.

    The 30 year failure of all governments to properly "regulate the fuckers" is the failing. Yes they should never have been flogged off abroad cheaply, but having done that they should at least have been forced to do what they need to do.
    The real advantage is that it is taken away from direct political control. When nationalised, it becomes all about appearances and protecting political arses in the too and fro, rather than supplying a decent water service.

    See, for example, the backside-covering reactions when the Ferret Fact Service found that shitty rivers had been tackled far less effectively in ('nationalised' water) Scotland than (privatised water) England:
    https://theferret.scot/scotland-behind-england-sewage-leaks/

    I'm not convinced by the "privatisation failure" talking point - more investment, a lot less leakage, much higher purity water, and so on. To me it is like the delusional people alleging that rail privatisation is an abject failure compared to British Rail.
    If there is a lot less leakage, how is it that the failure of private monopolies like Thames Water to do anything about maintenance is cited as one of the big drivers behind our water shortage?

    These companies are pirates.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 16,479
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    Agree - all the expensive stuff is put at eye level, with the value version tucked away somewhere high/low.

    Time is another thing poor people don't have loads of, so getting through a gargantuan Asda 10mins quicker will add up.
    Is that true? Sainsbury's seems to put the good stuff high up. In any case, the busybodies might have a point. Ten years ago, Tesco stopped the blue and white stripes on its cheapest range for this very reason.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,717
    edited August 9

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    In discussions of "average" house temperatures, it might be clearer if people were to say what times they are talking about. For example, an American might keep their house at 60 degrees when they are sleeping, 72 degrees when they are awake and in the house, and then 60 again when they are away at work. That works out, if those are roughly equal periods, to an average of about 64 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 18 degrees Celsius.

    And what seasons, for similar reasons.

    (If they have a "smart" thermostat, they could lower the day time temperature even more, and begin a warm-up shortly before they get home, saving even more energy in the winter and, if they have air condiitoning, do the reverse in he summer.)

    Almost no-one has air conditioning at home in the UK, which makes it very difficult to sleep on the few nights when it is hot.
    Heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers are the answer: pretty great at warming your house in winter, and can be used to cool it (albeit not as much as air conditioning) in summer. But massively more energy efficient.

    We overwhelmingly have air to water heat pumps that can’t do cooling, not air to air.
    Types of cooling are possible on the same pipework system.

    It is not rare, though certainly not common, to have the ability to cycle cool water through the ufh system when the heat pump is not running. That tends to have the effect of redistributing heat, though - so not technically cooling, but increases resilience to overheating.

    It's something I have seen amongst self-builders. One of the potential downsides is condensation around the pipework, which has to be considered.

    Cooling and keeping heat out becomes a topic of debate at time like this :smile: .
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.



    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Norway has drawn up plans to ration electricity exports in a move that has heightened fears of energy shortages in the UK and Europe this winter.

    The government in Oslo on Monday announced new rules limiting the sale of power to foreign countries as heatwaves threaten Norway’s hydroelectric power generation.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/08/ftse-100-markets-live-news-inflation-interest-cost-living/ (£££)

    That’s really bad news.

    Energy nationalism is a prisoners’ dilemma, and everyone needs to avoid it no matter how attractive it might seem.

    If Biden block exports before the mid-terms, Europe is utterly screwed this winter.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,073
    If the Republicans spend all their time talking about Trump, rather than talking about policies that affect voters, won’t that lose them votes among “Independents”? The Dems just need to keep talking about reducing healthcare costs, improving infrastructure, standing up to China, abortion etc.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,520
    edited August 9

    Aaron Bell in The Times.

    I was leaning towards Rishi, but now I’m backing Liz

    here have been a lot of twists and turns in this leadership race. It seems more than a month ago that the starting gun was fired by the prime minister’s resignation. Since then, we have had parliamentary hustings, TV debates and membership hustings — not to mention Twitter spats and WhatsApp wars.

    It has been a tough campaign for everybody. There has been a lot of in-depth policy debate about the future of our party and country, much of which has been productive and insightful. And it’s important that there has been a contest, because it’s right that the candidates have been tested under pressure — we need to know that our next prime minister has what it takes to lead. But there has been a darker side to the campaign too. The blue-on-blue attacks have been bruising and have left me concerned for the good reputation of our party.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-was-leaning-towards-rishi-but-now-im-backing-liz-cjx9p3hdp

    Lol at the "in-depth policy debate".
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 17,823
    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    I suspect unlike your demand for partisan retribution under a GOP Administration, there is some hard and fast evidence to suggest there are national security sensitive documents in Mar a Lago that shouldn't be in Mar a Lago. That seems worth investigating at a moment in time when the US is in tacit conflict with a foreign power that has known personal links to residents of Mar a Lago who previously had access to aforementioned sensitive material and now shouldn't.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,328
    edited August 9

    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    Agree - all the expensive stuff is put at eye level, with the value version tucked away somewhere high/low.

    Time is another thing poor people don't have loads of, so getting through a gargantuan Asda 10mins quicker will add up.
    Is that true? Sainsbury's seems to put the good stuff high up. In any case, the busybodies might have a point. Ten years ago, Tesco stopped the blue and white stripes on its cheapest range for this very reason.
    Apparently, and it's more effective on men cos we're lazy.

    Used to work in retail and we worked really hard to get the sightlines right in the shop.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,738
    edited August 9
    Compared to RedfieldWilton the Yougov numbers are not good for Truss. Starmer has more 2019 Tory voters preferring him as PM to her than she has 2019 Labour voters preferring her as PM to him. Starmer also has significantly more LD voters preferring him as PM to her.

    Most 2019 Conservative voters also think Boris should not have been removed and most voters think the leadership campaign has showed the party in a bad light
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 41,239
    edited August 9

    Aaron Bell in The Times.

    I was leaning towards Rishi, but now I’m backing Liz

    here have been a lot of twists and turns in this leadership race. It seems more than a month ago that the starting gun was fired by the prime minister’s resignation. Since then, we have had parliamentary hustings, TV debates and membership hustings — not to mention Twitter spats and WhatsApp wars.

    It has been a tough campaign for everybody. There has been a lot of in-depth policy debate about the future of our party and country, much of which has been productive and insightful. And it’s important that there has been a contest, because it’s right that the candidates have been tested under pressure — we need to know that our next prime minister has what it takes to lead. But there has been a darker side to the campaign too. The blue-on-blue attacks have been bruising and have left me concerned for the good reputation of our party.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-was-leaning-towards-rishi-but-now-im-backing-liz-cjx9p3hdp

    TLDR: "A junior job would be nice, please?"

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    Sandpit said:

    Norway has drawn up plans to ration electricity exports in a move that has heightened fears of energy shortages in the UK and Europe this winter.

    The government in Oslo on Monday announced new rules limiting the sale of power to foreign countries as heatwaves threaten Norway’s hydroelectric power generation.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/08/ftse-100-markets-live-news-inflation-interest-cost-living/ (£££)

    That’s really bad news.

    Energy nationalism is a prisoners’ dilemma, and everyone needs to avoid it no matter how attractive it might seem.

    If Biden block exports before the mid-terms, Europe is utterly screwed this winter.
    Nationalism? Or just sanity? If Norway isn't generating sufficient energy for Norway, why should it make itself even shorter by continuing to sell what it doesn't have?

    The interconnected energy market only works when there is sufficient power generation being fed into it. As there isn't, there isn't a surplus to be traded. Which is bad news for countries like the UK who failed to invest in generation instead relying on others to invest for us.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 59,344
    It'd be ironic if Sunak won and had to decide which MPs to put in the Cabinet: those who never wanted him to start with, or those who did but jumped ship.
  • eekeek Posts: 20,666

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
    But most people won't see that point.

    What they will see (because Trump will claim it as truth) is that the Democrats signed off the visit even though there is zero evidence to back it up.

    Remember a lot of people will believe Trump even when all the evidence points elsewhere.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    I see that the hard left have launched a campaign - https://wesayenough.co.uk/

    This won't work. Because they don't want "fair" anything. They want to overthrow the whole system. Which the people struggling don't want.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 102,738
    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    Trump fans will vote GOP anyway, it is the independent swing voters in the suburbs who are still key
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    I suspect unlike your demand for partisan retribution under a GOP Administration, there is some hard and fast evidence to suggest there are national security sensitive documents in Mar a Lago that shouldn't be in Mar a Lago. That seems worth investigating at a moment in time when the US is in tacit conflict with a foreign power that has known personal links to residents of Mar a Lago who previously had access to aforementioned sensitive material and now shouldn't.
    Yawn. You are one of the most partisan people on here. Anything that comes up about Trump, you and many others can't stop your frothing. I don't want him to run in 2024, I think it would be bad for the United States but your woeful blindness when it comes to seeing only the faults of one side in this whole saga is at the root of the problem. Clinton's campaign after all was the only who fed false evidence to get a Federal court to sign off on the FBI investigating a Presidential campaign.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    It also signposts the products to make them easier to find.

    What to one busybody is insulting to 1000 other people is simply making things easier to spot…
    Agree - all the expensive stuff is put at eye level, with the value version tucked away somewhere high/low.

    Time is another thing poor people don't have loads of, so getting through a gargantuan Asda 10mins quicker will add up.
    Is that true? Sainsbury's seems to put the good stuff high up. In any case, the busybodies might have a point. Ten years ago, Tesco stopped the blue and white stripes on its cheapest range for this very reason.
    Apparently, and it's more effective on men cos we're lazy.

    Used to work in retail and we worked really hard to get the sightlines right in the shop.
    Getting an optimal planogram (the layout of products on shelf) is something a lot of companies spend a lot of money on. Get your products in the "hot spot" - the central bubble where the eye is naturally drawn - and you sell more than if you are on the periphery.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 4,668
    Tesla cars now incorporate something called a Superbottle, so called because it has a logo of someone resembling superman on it but wearing a Tesla t shirt. Its job is to act as a centralised hub for all heat transfer in the car. Battery cooling/heating, internal climate control, computer heat extraction etc… such that no power is wasted on hearing/cooling, much of the heat is merely shifted from one place to the other.

    It’s seen by engineers as utterly revolutionary because normally each department in an auto company is highly siloed and you’d never get this degree of coordination. Instead you gets layers of duplicated activity and pushing against a string. But it is possible in a car company that has very high degrees of vertical integration rather than just being an glorified components assembler.

    So for homes. A project long hinted at by Musk but no sign of yet. It’s waaay harder due to the bespoke nature of home building and the plethora of appliances. But it’s not beyond plausibility that in the not so distant future goods like fridge-freezers or air con units will direct expunged heat to a centralised “superbottle” that would then in turn use the heat to preheat or your hot water tank.

    It’s the sort of thing that the Lunar base / Mars projects will demand and it will happen. Doesn’t solve the issue for existing properties however. Which is a problem in a country that can’t keep up with new demand yet alone make a dent in replenishing the existing stock.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    A little advice from PB, please.

    The little 'un wants to go fossil hunting in Lyme Regis (because of the Mary Anning connection). He is not massively into fossils, so I expect most of the day to be playing on the beach.

    I'm thinking of doing Splashdown in Poole with him one day, and perhaps the tank museum. Does anyone have other ideas of things for kids, museums etc in the area to the west of Southampton? I'm fairly knowledgeable about the coast, but not so much inland.

    TIA.

    Army Flying Museum at Middle Wallop, about 20 miles North of Southampton.

    Fleet Air Arm museum at Yeovilton, includes a Concorde prototype.

    Salisbury Cathedral (if you’re a wannabe Russian terrorist).
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
    There is no way Biden did not know about this raid beforehand given all the potential implications.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 54,002
    edited August 9

    From water shortages to soaring energy bills and chaos at airports, greedy bosses have betrayed Margaret Thatcher's privatisation dream
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11093467/ALEX-BRUMMER-Greedy-bosses-betrayed-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-dream.html

    The Brexit excuse? Privatisation was a brilliant magic money tree policy and it's unfair that it has all gone wrong.

    Here is the fundamental problem will flogging off strategic national infrastructure like water. There is no free market. No competition. Simply a monopoly where private companies "have paid their bosses gargantuan salaries, and their foreign owners enormous dividends, while failing to invest in the infrastructure necessary to deal with a thirsty and growing population."

    But it is a regulated industry. So regulate the fuckers to do the strategic national infrastructure part. They won't invest otherwise so force them to do so as part of their operating license.

    The 30 year failure of all governments to properly "regulate the fuckers" is the failing. Yes they should never have been flogged off abroad cheaply, but having done that they should at least have been forced to do what they need to do.
    Good morning

    This does not apply to Welsh water

    https://corporate.dwrcymru.com/en/about-us/company-structure/glas-cymru
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 22,950
    PB is remarkably quiet on Mar-A-Largo being raided by the FBI.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    eek said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
    But most people won't see that point.

    What they will see (because Trump will claim it as truth) is that the Democrats signed off the visit even though there is zero evidence to back it up.

    Remember a lot of people will believe Trump even when all the evidence points elsewhere.
    I know - because Trump and the GOP are the mob. So do the US authorities stand back and say the law doesn't apply to Mr Trump because he is the mob? Or go after him anyway because America used to stand for truth and justice?

    Lets all be honest here. They find evidence that Trump has shot 47 people and personally stolen gold from Fort Knox. As in hard irrefutable evidence. The GOP and shitkickers will still say fake news and its a partisan witch hunt.

    That is the power of the mob. And if they get back into power they will never again be removed from it. So a lot is at stake.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 9,513

    Explain to me why heat pumps are not shit.

    Everything I read suggests they operate at 35C not 60-70C, so how do they get a radiator hot enough to heat a room? Also, if it's really cold, does the output drop making it chillier just when you need it most? How do you turn up the thermostat quickly so it responds? What about extra hot water you need for a bath or shower?

    They sound shit.

    My brother-in-law put a heat pump with underfloor heating and concrete heat-retaining slabs in his new-build (well, it's about three years old now). It works great.

    It will be harder and more expensive to retrofit an existing house, but they certainly work.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,987
    edited August 9
    HYUFD said:
    Very rabble rousing statement. And if I were part of the rabble (I have my rabble moments) I would be roused.

    As you say, if I were a Trump fan it wouldn't make a difference but without knowing the whys and wherefores of the raid it sounds on the face of it like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and I imagine many in the US will take against the action. Will it make them vote for Trump?

    I am of the view that he gets in in 2024 because people are drawn to him, so yes perhaps it will.

    note: I know absolutely nothing about American politics, hence felt compelled to comment.
  • pingping Posts: 2,659
    For anyone following the Predictit shenanigans, the Star Spangled Gamblers podcast has an interview with the CEO.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    I suspect unlike your demand for partisan retribution under a GOP Administration, there is some hard and fast evidence to suggest there are national security sensitive documents in Mar a Lago that shouldn't be in Mar a Lago. That seems worth investigating at a moment in time when the US is in tacit conflict with a foreign power that has known personal links to residents of Mar a Lago who previously had access to aforementioned sensitive material and now shouldn't.
    Yawn. You are one of the most partisan people on here. Anything that comes up about Trump, you and many others can't stop your frothing. I don't want him to run in 2024, I think it would be bad for the United States but your woeful blindness when it comes to seeing only the faults of one side in this whole saga is at the root of the problem. Clinton's campaign after all was the only who fed false evidence to get a Federal court to sign off on the FBI investigating a Presidential campaign.
    Question: is that Clinton badness remotely on the same scale of bad as the Trump mob?

    Objectively there is no comparison. Or with Hunter Biden's laptop. And you must know this - so why suggest there is?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,328

    I see that the hard left have launched a campaign - https://wesayenough.co.uk/

    This won't work. Because they don't want "fair" anything. They want to overthrow the whole system. Which the people struggling don't want.

    I'm not super hard left and I recognise that the "system" isn't working.

    If it's as bad as everyone is suggesting this winter, you might well find people want a mini revolution. Corbyn got 40% in 2017.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 54,002
    HYUFD said:

    Compared to RedfieldWilton the Yougov numbers are not good for Truss. Starmer has more 2019 Tory voters preferring him as PM to her than she has 2019 Labour voters preferring her as PM to him. Starmer also has significantly more LD voters preferring him as PM to her.

    Most 2019 Conservative voters also think Boris should not have been removed and most voters think the leadership campaign has showed the party in a bad light

    The biggest culprit for showing the party in a bad light is Johnson himself
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 53,486
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:
    Very rabble rousing statement. And if I were part of the rabble (I have my rabble moments) I would be roused.

    As you say, if I were a Trump fan it wouldn't make a difference but without knowing the whys and wherefores of the raid it sounds on the face of it like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and I imagine many in the US will take against the action. Will it make them vote for Trump?

    I am of the view that he gets in in 2024 because people are drawn to him, so yes perhaps it will.

    note: I know absolutely nothing about American politics, hence felt compelled to comment.
    Thank God the AG is finally bloody doing something to try and stop this demagogue from becoming POTUS again.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,749
    rkrkrk said:

    Aaron Bell in The Times.

    I was leaning towards Rishi, but now I’m backing Liz

    here have been a lot of twists and turns in this leadership race. It seems more than a month ago that the starting gun was fired by the prime minister’s resignation. Since then, we have had parliamentary hustings, TV debates and membership hustings — not to mention Twitter spats and WhatsApp wars.

    It has been a tough campaign for everybody. There has been a lot of in-depth policy debate about the future of our party and country, much of which has been productive and insightful. And it’s important that there has been a contest, because it’s right that the candidates have been tested under pressure — we need to know that our next prime minister has what it takes to lead. But there has been a darker side to the campaign too. The blue-on-blue attacks have been bruising and have left me concerned for the good reputation of our party.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-was-leaning-towards-rishi-but-now-im-backing-liz-cjx9p3hdp

    Lol at the "in-depth policy debate".
    Indeed, not to mention ‘productive and insightful’ and ‘good reputation of our party’.

    Is grimacing out loud a thing?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
    There is no way Biden did not know about this raid beforehand given all the potential implications.
    Sure! So flip this over. The Trump-appointed head of the FBI believes there is a legal reason his agents need to raid Mar-el-Lago. Should Biden intervene because politics?

    Again, whither the rule of law?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:
    Very rabble rousing statement. And if I were part of the rabble (I have my rabble moments) I would be roused.

    As you say, if I were a Trump fan it wouldn't make a difference but without knowing the whys and wherefores of the raid it sounds on the face of it like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and I imagine many in the US will take against the action. Will it make them vote for Trump?

    I am of the view that he gets in in 2024 because people are drawn to him, so yes perhaps it will.

    note: I know absolutely nothing about American politics, hence felt compelled to comment.
    It does come across as politically motivated, same as the “January 6” hearings.

    It’s the sort of thing that drives Republican turnout, although I’m not sure how many swing voters are pulled one way or the other.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 9,513
    Incidentally, when did the right-wing start becoming reflexively anti new technology? Whenever a new technology comes along there always seem to be a bunch of right-wrong people creating sprouts arguments why it's crap.

    We've seen this with wind turbines, solar panels, electric cars, heart pumps, over and over again. It's really negative and boring. Indicative that there are many on the right who just reflexively oppose anything, particularly if they've ever heard a left-wrong person surreal favourably about it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 7,116
    HYUFD said:

    Compared to RedfieldWilton the Yougov numbers are not good for Truss. Starmer has more 2019 Tory voters preferring him as PM to her than she has 2019 Labour voters preferring her as PM to him. Starmer also has significantly more LD voters preferring him as PM to her.

    Most 2019 Conservative voters also think Boris should not have been removed and most voters think the leadership campaign has showed the party in a bad light

    Neither set of numbers is brilliant. Thatcher's announcement of her departure led to an instant C+10/L-10 shift in the polls, and there's no sign of that happening. There's still time, but one obvious opportunity has passed. As it stands, Truss's honeymoon looks like it might be at the Skegness Bypass Travelodge end of things, rather than a 5* hotel on a private Caribbean Island.

    The other set of findings might say why. Lots of Conservative members are backing Doris Johnson because they don't believe that Boris should go. And whilst Truss is ruthless enough to dump Boris, his backers and policies the attosecond she doesn't need them any more, she has missed one obvious opportunity to do so.

    Boris Derangement Syndrome comes in several variants, and a lot of Conservatives look like they have a serious case of the one involving the Sun and Boris's bottom.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 22,950
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:
    Very rabble rousing statement. And if I were part of the rabble (I have my rabble moments) I would be roused.

    As you say, if I were a Trump fan it wouldn't make a difference but without knowing the whys and wherefores of the raid it sounds on the face of it like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and I imagine many in the US will take against the action. Will it make them vote for Trump?

    I am of the view that he gets in in 2024 because people are drawn to him, so yes perhaps it will.

    note: I know absolutely nothing about American politics, hence felt compelled to comment.
    Trump removed hundreds of classified docs from the white House to Mar-A-Largo when he left office, docs at a secrecy level so high hey can't be described in public indictments.

    They were politely asked to be returned and Trump refused.

    The options are: Trump is above the law or FBI raid time.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    HYUFD said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    Trump fans will vote GOP anyway, it is the independent swing voters in the suburbs who are still key
    True. But independents don't exactly think the Administration is a beacon of probity. Anyone who is an independent can see where this path will go to because it's happened before when it comes to retaliation. The Democrats scrapped the filibuster for federal appointments, the Republicans then did the same for the Supreme Court. Given what is happening in the US at the moment, unless there is a smoking gun, this is not a clever move.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,717
    Seen elsewhere: Radio Times, 1974.



  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,746
    Some true hilarity with the nomination/presidency markets on Predictit.

    Biden at an implied 63% chance for the presidency
    Desantis at 73%.
    Trump at 84%.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    Eabhal said:

    I see that the hard left have launched a campaign - https://wesayenough.co.uk/

    This won't work. Because they don't want "fair" anything. They want to overthrow the whole system. Which the people struggling don't want.

    I'm not super hard left and I recognise that the "system" isn't working.

    If it's as bad as everyone is suggesting this winter, you might well find people want a mini revolution. Corbyn got 40% in 2017.
    You misunderstand me. Their stated objectives are fine - I even think "enough is enough" is quite clever. But as I watched it my first reaction was "oh God, not Sultana". She is getting deselected. The hard left will kick and scream about Corbyn, not about people's bills. And demand a General Strike.

    People may agree with the individual aims. But not with the General Strike already being called for by the fine individuals in this campaign. Which is why it will not only fail, it will aid the Tories. Which is the group's 6th aim unstated...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,073
    .
    MrEd said:

    HYUFD said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    Trump fans will vote GOP anyway, it is the independent swing voters in the suburbs who are still key
    True. But independents don't exactly think the Administration is a beacon of probity. Anyone who is an independent can see where this path will go to because it's happened before when it comes to retaliation. The Democrats scrapped the filibuster for federal appointments, the Republicans then did the same for the Supreme Court. Given what is happening in the US at the moment, unless there is a smoking gun, this is not a clever move.
    So, independents think the Republicans will respond inappropriately, therefore they will vote Republican? I don’t entirely follow the logic there.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,078

    A little advice from PB, please.

    The little 'un wants to go fossil hunting in Lyme Regis (because of the Mary Anning connection). He is not massively into fossils, so I expect most of the day to be playing on the beach.

    I'm thinking of doing Splashdown in Poole with him one day, and perhaps the tank museum. Does anyone have other ideas of things for kids, museums etc in the area to the west of Southampton? I'm fairly knowledgeable about the coast, but not so much inland.

    TIA.

    We went to Lyme Regis for exactly that reason - Junior had learnt about Mary Anning at school. He was surprisingly interested by the little independent fossil museum in LR, and you can buy a fossil for a quid on the way out.

    The Seaton Tramway is fun too.

    We took his bike in the car and stopped off at the traffic-free path at Blandford Forum on the way back, which he loved... right up until the time he decided to speed down a hill and come off at the bottom. Hey ho.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,176

    Incidentally, when did the right-wing start becoming reflexively anti new technology? Whenever a new technology comes along there always seem to be a bunch of right-wrong people creating sprouts arguments why it's crap.

    We've seen this with wind turbines, solar panels, electric cars, heart pumps, over and over again. It's really negative and boring. Indicative that there are many on the right who just reflexively oppose anything, particularly if they've ever heard a left-wrong person surreal favourably about it.

    Surreal indeed

    The case against heat pumps is pretty compelling, as even their proponents seem to concede. Barely detectable warmth pumps would be more accurate
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730

    I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

    Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

    Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

    The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

    It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

    However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

    All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

    One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

    Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

    But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

    Not Yorkshire’s any more, is it.
    Aren’t the Issa brothers Mancunians ?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,707

    I see that the hard left have launched a campaign - https://wesayenough.co.uk/

    This won't work. Because they don't want "fair" anything. They want to overthrow the whole system. Which the people struggling don't want.

    The problem they have is that they won't be able to prevent the free palestine/net zero stuff gradually creeping in to this type of campaign, alienating them from their prospective supporters. Then the communists would join in and start going on about Lenin. That and the inevitable infighting.

    A more credible and likely popular campaign, would be D Cummings 'stop paying bills' idea. It could scapegoat "elite remainers policies of green crap, green levies, stopping coal power stations" etc.

  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,373

    HYUFD said:

    Compared to RedfieldWilton the Yougov numbers are not good for Truss. Starmer has more 2019 Tory voters preferring him as PM to her than she has 2019 Labour voters preferring her as PM to him. Starmer also has significantly more LD voters preferring him as PM to her.

    Most 2019 Conservative voters also think Boris should not have been removed and most voters think the leadership campaign has showed the party in a bad light

    Neither set of numbers is brilliant. Thatcher's announcement of her departure led to an instant C+10/L-10 shift in the polls, and there's no sign of that happening. There's still time, but one obvious opportunity has passed. As it stands, Truss's honeymoon looks like it might be at the Skegness Bypass Travelodge end of things, rather than a 5* hotel on a private Caribbean Island.

    The other set of findings might say why. Lots of Conservative members are backing Doris Johnson because they don't believe that Boris should go. And whilst Truss is ruthless enough to dump Boris, his backers and policies the attosecond she doesn't need them any more, she has missed one obvious opportunity to do so.

    Boris Derangement Syndrome comes in several variants, and a lot of Conservatives look like they have a serious case of the one involving the Sun and Boris's bottom.
    "Meet the new boss ..."

    In view of her past history a Truss honeymoon will share much with the honeymoons of George Joseph Smith.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,176
    Alistair said:

    PB is remarkably quiet on Mar-A-Largo being raided by the FBI.

    Difficult to take a view till we know what they found
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:
    Very rabble rousing statement. And if I were part of the rabble (I have my rabble moments) I would be roused.

    As you say, if I were a Trump fan it wouldn't make a difference but without knowing the whys and wherefores of the raid it sounds on the face of it like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and I imagine many in the US will take against the action. Will it make them vote for Trump?

    I am of the view that he gets in in 2024 because people are drawn to him, so yes perhaps it will.

    note: I know absolutely nothing about American politics, hence felt compelled to comment.
    It does come across as politically motivated, same as the “January 6” hearings.

    It’s the sort of thing that drives Republican turnout, although I’m not sure how many swing voters are pulled one way or the other.
    It comes across as politically motivated because the GOP mob say any investigation into their RICO activities is politically motivated. What other reason could here be for the Trump-appointed FBI Head to find sufficient evidence of RICO to raid Trump's house?

    And note the pivots again back to Clinton and Hunter Biden. Any minor issue from them not being witch-hunted is political bias, just as any investigation at all against the boss is political bias.

    And yet people still claim America is a functioning democracy.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
    There is no way Biden did not know about this raid beforehand given all the potential implications.
    Sure! So flip this over. The Trump-appointed head of the FBI believes there is a legal reason his agents need to raid Mar-el-Lago. Should Biden intervene because politics?

    Again, whither the rule of law?
    In 1960, Nixon didn't challenge the election results - even though he thought honestly JFK had cheated - because he was concerned about the fallout from calling the US electoral system into disrepute (less well known is that Romney had similar doubts in 2012 and didn't pursue them).

    Given the atmosphere in the US at the moment, there are ways this could have been handled better. As I said, raiding a former President's home - and, more importantly, one who could be the opposing candidate to an incumbent - sends off a powerful signal.

    Let's flip it round again. Let's say the FBI had raided Hunter Biden's apartment before the November 2020 election looking for evidence that his family may have been involved in backhanders. Would you have been so comfortable talking about this being the rule of law?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393

    Incidentally, when did the right-wing start becoming reflexively anti new technology? Whenever a new technology comes along there always seem to be a bunch of right-wrong people creating sprouts arguments why it's crap.

    We've seen this with wind turbines, solar panels, electric cars, heart pumps, over and over again. It's really negative and boring. Indicative that there are many on the right who just reflexively oppose anything, particularly if they've ever heard a left-wrong person surreal favourably about it.

    Are they against the technology, or against the people who are for the technology?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,749
    edited August 9
    IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    PB is remarkably quiet on Mar-A-Largo being raided by the FBI.

    Difficult to take a view till we know what they found
    Ill advised perhaps, but not difficult I see..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,054

    Sandpit said:

    Norway has drawn up plans to ration electricity exports in a move that has heightened fears of energy shortages in the UK and Europe this winter.

    The government in Oslo on Monday announced new rules limiting the sale of power to foreign countries as heatwaves threaten Norway’s hydroelectric power generation.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/08/ftse-100-markets-live-news-inflation-interest-cost-living/ (£££)

    That’s really bad news.

    Energy nationalism is a prisoners’ dilemma, and everyone needs to avoid it no matter how attractive it might seem.

    If Biden block exports before the mid-terms, Europe is utterly screwed this winter.
    Nationalism? Or just sanity? If Norway isn't generating sufficient energy for Norway, why should it make itself even shorter by continuing to sell what it doesn't have?

    The interconnected energy market only works when there is sufficient power generation being fed into it. As there isn't, there isn't a surplus to be traded. Which is bad news for countries like the UK who failed to invest in generation instead relying on others to invest for us.
    UK will be comparatively okay, compared to many other European countries. We have a fair amount of renewables and reasonable O&G production capacity.

    Many other places will be relying on importing O&G products at almost any price.

    Yes, it’s superficially attractive for each country to try keep their own energy prices down, but if everyone does it then large parts of Europe are totally reliant on Putin not turning off the tap. It’s a time for co-operation rather than nationalism.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,987
    Alistair said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:
    Very rabble rousing statement. And if I were part of the rabble (I have my rabble moments) I would be roused.

    As you say, if I were a Trump fan it wouldn't make a difference but without knowing the whys and wherefores of the raid it sounds on the face of it like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and I imagine many in the US will take against the action. Will it make them vote for Trump?

    I am of the view that he gets in in 2024 because people are drawn to him, so yes perhaps it will.

    note: I know absolutely nothing about American politics, hence felt compelled to comment.
    Trump removed hundreds of classified docs from the white House to Mar-A-Largo when he left office, docs at a secrecy level so high hey can't be described in public indictments.

    They were politely asked to be returned and Trump refused.

    The options are: Trump is above the law or FBI raid time.
    Yebbut no one knows that. Unless they find the docs.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 20,393
    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
    There is no way Biden did not know about this raid beforehand given all the potential implications.
    Sure! So flip this over. The Trump-appointed head of the FBI believes there is a legal reason his agents need to raid Mar-el-Lago. Should Biden intervene because politics?

    Again, whither the rule of law?
    In 1960, Nixon didn't challenge the election results - even though he thought honestly JFK had cheated - because he was concerned about the fallout from calling the US electoral system into disrepute (less well known is that Romney had similar doubts in 2012 and didn't pursue them).

    Given the atmosphere in the US at the moment, there are ways this could have been handled better. As I said, raiding a former President's home - and, more importantly, one who could be the opposing candidate to an incumbent - sends off a powerful signal.

    Let's flip it round again. Let's say the FBI had raided Hunter Biden's apartment before the November 2020 election looking for evidence that his family may have been involved in backhanders. Would you have been so comfortable talking about this being the rule of law?
    The FBI raiding Hunter Biden in August 2018? Sure, if they had evidence.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,961
    Good morning everybody.
    The dental story on the BBC last night seems to have flashed across the sky like a comet and vanished!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 22,323
    Does anyone have a link to the historic energy price cap data split by electricity and gas rates?

    Everywhere I look all I can find is the composite rate (2,900kWh electric; 12,000kWh gas) which is effin' useless if you live somewhere without mains gas.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,707

    Explain to me why heat pumps are not shit.

    Everything I read suggests they operate at 35C not 60-70C, so how do they get a radiator hot enough to heat a room? Also, if it's really cold, does the output drop making it chillier just when you need it most? How do you turn up the thermostat quickly so it responds? What about extra hot water you need for a bath or shower?

    They sound shit.

    My brother-in-law put a heat pump with underfloor heating and concrete heat-retaining slabs in his new-build (well, it's about three years old now). It works great.

    It will be harder and more expensive to retrofit an existing house, but they certainly work.
    I was discussing a ventillation system to deal with a problem of condensation in our property with a surveyor. It turned out that the ventilation system would pump in cold air in winter which would then lead to a greater need for heating. The suggestion was that it would save money because we wouldn't need to keep the windows open in winter, which we don't do anyway.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    This is law enforcement, not ‘the Democrats’.
    Just how stupid can you get - or is it that you just expect voters for fall for that kind of bullshit ?

    A warrant was granted by a judge, and demonstrating probable cause to search a former President’s house would be a pretty high bar. That an AG as timid as the current one signed off on this reinforces that.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,328
    IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    PB is remarkably quiet on Mar-A-Largo being raided by the FBI.

    Difficult to take a view till we know what they found
    I presume they have an agent embedded. Would be a huge cock-up if they didn't find anything actionable.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    I suspect unlike your demand for partisan retribution under a GOP Administration, there is some hard and fast evidence to suggest there are national security sensitive documents in Mar a Lago that shouldn't be in Mar a Lago. That seems worth investigating at a moment in time when the US is in tacit conflict with a foreign power that has known personal links to residents of Mar a Lago who previously had access to aforementioned sensitive material and now shouldn't.
    Yawn. You are one of the most partisan people on here. Anything that comes up about Trump, you and many others can't stop your frothing. I don't want him to run in 2024, I think it would be bad for the United States but your woeful blindness when it comes to seeing only the faults of one side in this whole saga is at the root of the problem. Clinton's campaign after all was the only who fed false evidence to get a Federal court to sign off on the FBI investigating a Presidential campaign.
    Question: is that Clinton badness remotely on the same scale of bad as the Trump mob?

    Objectively there is no comparison. Or with Hunter Biden's laptop. And you must know this - so why suggest there is?
    Clinton et al's main aim was the same as the Jan 6th mob - to overturn a result they didn't like. Their methods were different, their aims were the same.

    I think you need to check your privilege that you are the arbiter of what is objective and what is not. If it was Erik Trump with the same material and the same questions as HB is facing, you would be talking about how it shows Trump's corruption and the threat to democracy. You are not objective. I might not be either but then again I'm not claiming I have the right to set the standards.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,987
    Nigelb said:

    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    This is law enforcement, not ‘the Democrats’.
    Just how stupid can you get - or is it that you just expect voters for fall for that kind of bullshit ?

    A warrant was granted by a judge, and demonstrating probable cause to search a former President’s house would be a pretty high bar. That an AG as timid as the current one signed off on this reinforces that.
    Erm, you are one of the more seasoned PB posters yet you write this?!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 22,323

    All three tomato plants feeding me now, and the cucumbers continue

    We'll be eating our home grown aubergines this week.
  • eekeek Posts: 20,666
    Nigelb said:

    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    This is law enforcement, not ‘the Democrats’.
    Just how stupid can you get - or is it that you just expect voters for fall for that kind of bullshit ?

    A warrant was granted by a judge, and demonstrating probable cause to search a former President’s house would be a pretty high bar. That an AG as timid as the current one signed off on this reinforces that.
    That an AG appointed by Trump signed off on it - more than reinforces that fact. But MrEd is right that it isn't what a lot of people will see because their news will be biased towards a different viewpoint - that someone is attacking Trump for political reasons rather than criminal ones..
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Nigelb said:

    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    This is law enforcement, not ‘the Democrats’.
    Just how stupid can you get - or is it that you just expect voters for fall for that kind of bullshit ?

    A warrant was granted by a judge, and demonstrating probable cause to search a former President’s house would be a pretty high bar. That an AG as timid as the current one signed off on this reinforces that.
    Just like with the FISA court eh? What was it now? Oh yes, credible evidence that Trump was p1ssed on by Russian hookers. Ok........
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 41,239

    All three tomato plants feeding me now, and the cucumbers continue

    We'll be mostly eating our home grown aubergines this week.
    CTFY
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 9,347
    IshmaelZ said:

    Incidentally, when did the right-wing start becoming reflexively anti new technology? Whenever a new technology comes along there always seem to be a bunch of right-wrong people creating sprouts arguments why it's crap.

    We've seen this with wind turbines, solar panels, electric cars, heart pumps, over and over again. It's really negative and boring. Indicative that there are many on the right who just reflexively oppose anything, particularly if they've ever heard a left-wrong person surreal favourably about it.

    Surreal indeed

    The case against heat pumps is pretty compelling, as even their proponents seem to concede. Barely detectable warmth pumps would be more accurate
    A plumber who did some work for us talked about combined air-source heat pump/oil boilers for older rural properties like ours. The idea is a constant level of heating from the air source and when needed the oil kicks in. I guess a bit like hybrid cars.
    My relatives in Scotland had a new house built with ground source heating and fully set up for it (very well insulated, under floor heating) and it works brilliantly. The issue for most is that retro-fitting is not so simple (as has been said probably new, bigger radiators, bigger diameter pipes and so on.

    All new builds should be built to standards that allow air-source or ground source heat pumps, but the residual housing stock is a far harder challenge.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

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    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:


    As has been said, who raids an ex-President for the Presidential Records Act? It's like sending in the SAS to deal with a parking ticket. Unless they find a smoking gun, the Democrats have just given the Trump campaign a huge turnout boost when it comes to the GOP fan base without any corresponding boost to their own.

    The timing on this is also not coincidental. Trump was the big winner of last week's primaries. At the same time, the Democrats got their spending bill in and the polls have narrowed for congress. They obviously thought it was the right time to strike. The idea that Biden didn't know about this is laughable.

    But you reap what you sow. If you don't think the Republicans are not going to take your statement if they win Congress and investigate Biden for all the Hunter stuff, I have a bridge to sell you. Probably with Pelosi as well on all the share dealing stuff.





    MrEd said:

    Just saw the news about Trump. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just when there was good news coming through for the Democrats, then they sign off on this. How stupid can you get.

    The rule of law is the rule of law. In a democracy that matters.

    You keep saying the democrats. Trump personally appointed the head of the FBI who signed this off.
    There is no way Biden did not know about this raid beforehand given all the potential implications.
    Sure! So flip this over. The Trump-appointed head of the FBI believes there is a legal reason his agents need to raid Mar-el-Lago. Should Biden intervene because politics?

    Again, whither the rule of law?
    In 1960, Nixon didn't challenge the election results - even though he thought honestly JFK had cheated - because he was concerned about the fallout from calling the US electoral system into disrepute (less well known is that Romney had similar doubts in 2012 and didn't pursue them).

    Given the atmosphere in the US at the moment, there are ways this could have been handled better. As I said, raiding a former President's home - and, more importantly, one who could be the opposing candidate to an incumbent - sends off a powerful signal.

    Let's flip it round again. Let's say the FBI had raided Hunter Biden's apartment before the November 2020 election looking for evidence that his family may have been involved in backhanders. Would you have been so comfortable talking about this being the rule of law?
    The FBI raiding Hunter Biden in August 2018? Sure, if they had evidence.
    Fair enough then
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