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YouGov has Truss 3% behind Starmer as “best PM” – politicalbetting.com

As well as the Redfield & Wilton numbers featured in the previous post the latest YouGov has Starmer 3% ahead as “best PM”.As can be seen LEAVE voters back Truss over Starmer by 48% to 16% which is interesting because since the Referendum Truss has switched from Remain to Leave

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rottenborough

FPT:

Them's the breaks.

Schumer and Biden have done a kind of LBJ move (in the end) and got the votes to pass a bill via god knows what deals and arm twisting and pork barrel malarky.

OnlyLivingBoy

When does the polling honeymoon usually start? Presumably only once actually elected. We all know that Truss essentially has the job already, but Joe Public maybe doesn't. I would assume that Truss and the Tories will see a decent electoral bounce once she is in place, Tory leads of around 5% and Truss well ahead of Starmer as best PM.

rottenborough

Is Lord Brown going to be in Starmer's Cabinet?

He seems to be all over the media at the moment.

Or maybe he is just covering the shop while Sir K takes a two week holiday?

CorrectHorseBattery

As usual, depends who you ask.

Within MoE Starmer and Liz are tied. Which does not suggest a big bounce for Liz when she takes over

CorrectHorseBattery

rottenborough said:

Is Lord Brown going to be in Starmer's Cabinet?

He seems to be all over the media at the moment.

Or maybe he is just covering the shop while Sir K takes a two week holiday?

Surely Brown to be a Sir by 2024?

rcs1000

rottenborough said:

Is Lord Brown going to be in Starmer's Cabinet?

He seems to be all over the media at the moment.

Or maybe he is just covering the shop while Sir K takes a two week holiday?

He would be an unusual choice.

Stuartinromford

OnlyLivingBoy said:

When does the polling honeymoon usually start? Presumably only once actually elected. We all know that Truss essentially has the job already, but Joe Public maybe doesn't. I would assume that Truss and the Tories will see a decent electoral bounce once she is in place, Tory leads of around 5% and Truss well ahead of Starmer as best PM.

1990 was very much when TBW announced her departure. I'll let you all decide what you want B to stand for.



Hard to tell since then. Blair-Brown was signalled massively in advance. Cameron-May was tangled up in the referendum, and May-Johnson was at a time when everything was bonkers.

rottenborough

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Gardenwalker

rottenborough said:

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Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Stuartinromford

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
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Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Yup. I don't know what can be done in four months (a mass campaign of knitting draught excluders?), but it's all worth doing. Channel the spirit of Spring 2020 and all that.

CorrectHorseBattery

Well done Lib Dems, good policy!

NeilVW

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Well done Lib Dems, good policy!

Not targeted at the vulnerable.

Big_G_NorthWales

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
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Gordon Brown said his windfall tax amendment to the present government's would raise an additional 10 billion and Davey wants to find 36 billion handing cuts to all including millionaires, celebrities and footballers

I would agree it is sensible to direct to the low paid and those on benefits, even standard rate taxpayers but not a universal handout

EPG

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

Big_G_NorthWales

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

What happens next year and subsequent years

EPG

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

What happens next year and subsequent years

It goes for Sunak too. What self-terminating notion would inspire a government to eventually increase household bills by hundreds of quid at a time of no crisis (which is exactly when they would be doing it)? So this would just mean the nationalisation of the energy sector really, neither profits nor efficiencies going forward.

Big_G_NorthWales

EPG said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

What happens next year and subsequent years

It goes for Sunak too. What self-terminating notion would inspire a government to eventually increase household bills by hundreds of quid at a time of no crisis (which is exactly when they would be doing it)? So this would just mean the nationalisation of the energy sector really, neither profits nor efficiencies going forward.

It is simply not thought through

Flatlander

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

The price is going up for a reason. How are the companies going to keep up with demand if supply is limited and the consumer isn't paying the full cost?

Help, yes. Change the effective marginal price, no.

Gardenwalker

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

What happens next year and subsequent years

It goes for Sunak too. What self-terminating notion would inspire a government to eventually increase household bills by hundreds of quid at a time of no crisis (which is exactly when they would be doing it)? So this would just mean the nationalisation of the energy sector really, neither profits nor efficiencies going forward.

It is simply not thought through

As opposed to Truss and Rishi’s plans you mean?

Gardenwalker

As far as I’m aware, most of the large European countries are planning some kind of either price suppression or consumer subsidy.

This LD policy would - even at first glance - sit within a European mainstream.

The US doesn’t have the same energy issue.

NeilVW

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

Insulation will save you money in good times and bad. These are very bad times.

not_on_fire

Breaking: The FBI are raiding Mar-a-Lago

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/mar-a-lago-search-warrant-fbi-donald-trump/index.html

Big_G_NorthWales

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

What happens next year and subsequent years

It goes for Sunak too. What self-terminating notion would inspire a government to eventually increase household bills by hundreds of quid at a time of no crisis (which is exactly when they would be doing it)? So this would just mean the nationalisation of the energy sector really, neither profits nor efficiencies going forward.

It is simply not thought through

As opposed to Truss and Rishi’s plans you mean?

I await details in the September emergency budget but you must agree a 36 billion handout to everyone in October is not the best use of taxpayer's money and how is next year addressed

Richard_Tyndall

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Gordon Brown said his windfall tax amendment to the present government's would raise an additional 10 billion and Davey wants to find 36 billion handing cuts to all including millionaires, celebrities and footballers

I would agree it is sensible to direct to the low paid and those on benefits, even standard rate taxpayers but not a universal handout

Brown is mad. And thick. We are already seeing Energy companies moving some investment away from the UK as a result of the Windfall tax but Sunak has managed to avert most of that with his decision to allow companies to offset exploration and development costs against he tax. Without that the trickle would become a flood. There are far more lucrative places in the world for companies to spend their exploration and development budgets than the UK North Sea.

Big_G_NorthWales

Gardenwalker said:

As far as I’m aware, most of the large European countries are planning some kind of either price suppression or consumer subsidy.

This LD policy would - even at first glance - sit within a European mainstream.

The US doesn’t have the same energy issue.

I agree the US is in a very different place to the UK and Europe but Sunak has already committed 37 billion so Davey proposes to near double it to 73 billion

Gardenwalker

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

What happens next year and subsequent years

It goes for Sunak too. What self-terminating notion would inspire a government to eventually increase household bills by hundreds of quid at a time of no crisis (which is exactly when they would be doing it)? So this would just mean the nationalisation of the energy sector really, neither profits nor efficiencies going forward.

It is simply not thought through

As opposed to Truss and Rishi’s plans you mean?

I await details in the September emergency budget but you must agree a 36 billion handout to everyone in October is not the best use of taxpayer's money and how is next year addressed

At the end of the day, the only way to avoid some quite serious immiseration is a bung.

I prefer to avoid serious immiseration and so for me it is simply question of what kind of bung and how much.

Davey seems to have got to the same answer, and more quickly than Keir, Rishi and Truss. They’ll all get there eventually.

EPG

Flatlander said:

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

The price is going up for a reason. How are the companies going to keep up with demand if supply is limited and the consumer isn't paying the full cost?

Help, yes. Change the effective marginal price, no.

They would ration it for non-consumer users, would be one answer.

The problem of not enough energy can't be solved by trying to buy more energy, or by a blank cheque that government will cover whatever price Saudis ask for (remember those? a 19th century banking technology, mlord). So someone will have to pay the cost, and if households don't have to change anything from 2021, it will be industry.

Gardenwalker

EPG said:

Flatlander said:

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

How are they ever going to back out of that one? And why bother being the numpty who insulated their own house when the government was always going to bail you out when the going go tough?

The price is going up for a reason. How are the companies going to keep up with demand if supply is limited and the consumer isn't paying the full cost?

Help, yes. Change the effective marginal price, no.

They would ration it for non-consumer users, would be one answer.

The problem of not enough energy can't be solved by trying to buy more energy, or by a blank cheque that government will cover whatever price Saudis ask for (remember those? a 19th century banking technology, mlord). So someone will have to pay the cost, and if households don't have to change anything from 2021, it will be industry.

The energy hike is not caused by the Saudis.

carnforth

Stuartinromford said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Yup. I don't know what can be done in four months (a mass campaign of knitting draught excluders?), but it's all worth doing. Channel the spirit of Spring 2020 and all that.

The Germans are stocking up on Electric heaters - turn the gas central heating off and heat one room with electric - and maybe an electric blanket.

Might backfire if enough house fires are started by people who don’t know how to safely use an electric heater, though.

Big_G_NorthWales

carnforth said:

Stuartinromford said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Yup. I don't know what can be done in four months (a mass campaign of knitting draught excluders?), but it's all worth doing. Channel the spirit of Spring 2020 and all that.

The Germans are stocking up on Electric heaters - turn the gas central heating off and heat one room with electric - and maybe an electric blanket.

Might backfire if enough house fires are started by people who don’t know how to safely use an electric heater, though.

I have bought two oil filled remote operated electric radiators for the bedroom and lounge to reduce our need for gas ch and they are very efficient

carnforth

Big_G_NorthWales said:

carnforth said:

Stuartinromford said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Yup. I don't know what can be done in four months (a mass campaign of knitting draught excluders?), but it's all worth doing. Channel the spirit of Spring 2020 and all that.

The Germans are stocking up on Electric heaters - turn the gas central heating off and heat one room with electric - and maybe an electric blanket.

Might backfire if enough house fires are started by people who don’t know how to safely use an electric heater, though.

I have bought two oil filled remote operated electric radiators for the bedroom and lounge to reduce our need for gas ch and they are very efficient

Yes, there’s a big difference between ones which are safe to use when asleep and not. I have a big 2000W hot-wire heater, which is not safe, but also a 400w panel heater which is safe enough to be on at night and takes the chill off.

The difficulty with oil-filled radiators is that they are £80 rather than the £20 that the hot-wire ones cost, so the poorest families will not buy them.

rcs1000

From the New Yorker on Trump and his Generals:

The President’s loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical: “You fucking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”

“Which generals?” Kelly asked.

“The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.

“You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said.

rcs1000

carnforth said:

Stuartinromford said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Yup. I don't know what can be done in four months (a mass campaign of knitting draught excluders?), but it's all worth doing. Channel the spirit of Spring 2020 and all that.

The Germans are stocking up on Electric heaters - turn the gas central heating off and heat one room with electric - and maybe an electric blanket.

Might backfire if enough house fires are started by people who don’t know how to safely use an electric heater, though.

On the positive side, it will certainly warm people up.

Big_G_NorthWales

carnforth said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

carnforth said:

Stuartinromford said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Yup. I don't know what can be done in four months (a mass campaign of knitting draught excluders?), but it's all worth doing. Channel the spirit of Spring 2020 and all that.

The Germans are stocking up on Electric heaters - turn the gas central heating off and heat one room with electric - and maybe an electric blanket.

Might backfire if enough house fires are started by people who don’t know how to safely use an electric heater, though.

I have bought two oil filled remote operated electric radiators for the bedroom and lounge to reduce our need for gas ch and they are very efficient

Yes, there’s a big difference between ones which are safe to use when asleep and not. I have a big 2000W hot-wire heater, which is not safe, but also a 400w panel heater which is safe enough to be on at night and takes the chill off.

The difficulty with oil-filled radiators is that they are £80 rather than the £20 that the hot-wire ones cost, so the poorest families will not buy them.

To be honest we would not use them overnight rather the bed blanket and high tog duvet serves that purpose

Our oil remote radiators cost £130 each

Mind you I remember the time living in Berwick in the 1950s with no heating and getting dressed under the bed clothes in winter

Andy_JS

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

Gardenwalker

@AndyJS

Personally I find almost everywhere overheated in winter, I like an invigorating 18 degrees.

I concede that I must be cold-blooded, but wiki says that “a 1978 UK study found average indoor home temperatures to be 15.8 °C (60.4 °F) while Japan in 1980 had median home temperatures of 13 °C (55 °F) to 15 °C (59 °F)”.

Gardenwalker

Trump is saying that he has been raided by the FBI.

Jim_Miller

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

edmundintokyo

Gardenwalker said:

@AndyJS

Personally I find almost everywhere overheated in winter, I like an invigorating 18 degrees.

I concede that I must be cold-blooded, but wiki says that “a 1978 UK study found average indoor home temperatures to be 15.8 °C (60.4 °F) while Japan in 1980 had median home temperatures of 13 °C (55 °F) to 15 °C (59 °F)”.

Japan had a different technique. Your house as a whole would be cold and drafty af, and you'd just heat a little area where you were, for example by sitting with your legs under a little table with a blanket over it and a heater underneath.

But in the 80s they started putting insulation into new builds, and at least the room you're in is now usually properly heated.

BartholomewRoberts

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
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Interesting policy, but leaves a dilemma as to how to handle those who have signed fixed rate tariffs higher than the price cap, in order to avoid the expected cap rise.

In theory they'd have no reason to complain, they'd still have the contract they signed, but complain they would and it would dominate the news. Squeaky wheels always do.

Jim_Miller

In discussions of "average" house temperatures, it might be clearer if people were to say what times they are talking about. For example, an American might keep their house at 60 degrees when they are sleeping, 72 degrees when they are awake and in the house, and then 60 again when they are away at work. That works out, if those are roughly equal periods, to an average of about 64 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 18 degrees Celsius.

And what seasons, for similar reasons.

(If they have a "smart" thermostat, they could lower the day time temperature even more, and begin a warm-up shortly before they get home, saving even more energy in the winter and, if they have air condiitoning, do the reverse in he summer.)

DecrepiterJohnL

Betfair next prime minister
1.11 Liz Truss 90%
9.8 Rishi Sunak 10%

Next Conservative leader
1.11 Liz Truss 90%
10 Rishi Sunak 10%

DecrepiterJohnL

@Gardenwalker asked on the last thread about Rishi's plans re inflation and growth.

Inflation: increase supply; growth: tax allowances for R&D and investment.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1555650334005026817

vik

Jim_Miller said:

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

Trying to jail him will not end well for American democracy. It will turn him into a martyr.

He needs to be beaten at the ballot box.

Andy_JS

Gardenwalker said:

@AndyJS

Personally I find almost everywhere overheated in winter, I like an invigorating 18 degrees.

I concede that I must be cold-blooded, but wiki says that “a 1978 UK study found average indoor home temperatures to be 15.8 °C (60.4 °F) while Japan in 1980 had median home temperatures of 13 °C (55 °F) to 15 °C (59 °F)”.

I agree. Shops and cafes/pubs are the worst for overheating.

Andy_JS

Jim_Miller said:

In discussions of "average" house temperatures, it might be clearer if people were to say what times they are talking about. For example, an American might keep their house at 60 degrees when they are sleeping, 72 degrees when they are awake and in the house, and then 60 again when they are away at work. That works out, if those are roughly equal periods, to an average of about 64 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 18 degrees Celsius.

And what seasons, for similar reasons.

(If they have a "smart" thermostat, they could lower the day time temperature even more, and begin a warm-up shortly before they get home, saving even more energy in the winter and, if they have air condiitoning, do the reverse in he summer.)

Almost no-one has air conditioning at home in the UK, which makes it very difficult to sleep on the few nights when it is hot.

Jim_Miller

Andy_JS - I understand, since I live in a part of the United States (the Seattle area) where, even now, most older homes and apartments (including mine) do not have air conditioning. And we just had two hot spells where I would very much like to have had it.

However, we are the exception; according to Google, about 90 percent of homes in the US now have air conditioning.

edmundintokyo

vik said:

Jim_Miller said:

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

Trying to jail him will not end well for American democracy. It will turn him into a martyr.

He needs to be beaten at the ballot box.

Just letting him flagrantly commit crimes is also bad.

DecrepiterJohnL

Norway has drawn up plans to ration electricity exports in a move that has heightened fears of energy shortages in the UK and Europe this winter.

The government in Oslo on Monday announced new rules limiting the sale of power to foreign countries as heatwaves threaten Norway’s hydroelectric power generation.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/08/ftse-100-markets-live-news-inflation-interest-cost-living/ (£££)

DecrepiterJohnL

UK urged to come up with microchip strategy
Bosses at Intel to invest billions in EU instead
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-urged-to-come-up-with-microchip-strategy-5875rwlcs (£££)

DecrepiterJohnL

RUGBY UNION
Eddie Jones: Public schools’ fury as England head coach suggests privately educated players lack resilience
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-jones-public-schools-fury-as-england-head-coach-suggests-privately-educated-players-lack-resilience-9c6px2ffl (£££)

Same in politics. Vote Truss.

edmundintokyo

Good thread on what could be happening with the Trump raid:

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1556809096879284227?t=TxE6ffY5hTpRCu98DKjMbQ&s=19

If the goal is to secure the documents, it may not necessarily imply that they're going to try to lock up Trump.

DecrepiterJohnL

edmundintokyo said:

Good thread on what could be happening with the Trump raid:

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1556809096879284227?t=TxE6ffY5hTpRCu98DKjMbQ&s=19

If the goal is to secure the documents, it may not necessarily imply that they're going to try to lock up Trump.

The significant tweet in that thread might be this one:-

First, assuming that this involves mishandling or unauthorized removal of classified information, their presence at Mar-a-Lago is ipso-facto evidence — in other words, the substance of the documents are not what the FBI is interested in; it’s whether they are there, period

Aiui the penalties for mishandling these government documents can include disqualification from office. Trouble is I can't find where I read that so DYOR as they say.

edmundintokyo

DecrepiterJohnL said:

edmundintokyo said:

Good thread on what could be happening with the Trump raid:

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1556809096879284227?t=TxE6ffY5hTpRCu98DKjMbQ&s=19

If the goal is to secure the documents, it may not necessarily imply that they're going to try to lock up Trump.

The significant tweet in that thread might be this one:-

First, assuming that this involves mishandling or unauthorized removal of classified information, their presence at Mar-a-Lago is ipso-facto evidence — in other words, the substance of the documents are not what the FBI is interested in; it’s whether they are there, period

Aiui the penalties for mishandling these government documents can include disqualification from office. Trouble is I can't find where I read that so DYOR as they say.

Yeah, I saw that as well. But even if he got done for that then I think he just runs and if he wins he lets the Supreme Court he appointed decide whether they want to overturn the election result.

Based on the heuristic that the theory that disappoints the most people is probably true, I reckon maybe they're just trying to secure whatever confidential intelligence the stupid fat fuck insisted on storing at home with the golf trophies, and they're not going to try to lock him up or anything.

DecrepiterJohnL

Tory MP Laura Farris quits Partygate inquiry but keeps reason a secret to avoid risk of prejudicing the probe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11093225/Tory-MP-Laura-Farris-quits-Partygate-inquiry-keeps-reason-secret-avoid-risk-prejudice.html

DecrepiterJohnL

From water shortages to soaring energy bills and chaos at airports, greedy bosses have betrayed Margaret Thatcher's privatisation dream
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11093467/ALEX-BRUMMER-Greedy-bosses-betrayed-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-dream.html

The Brexit excuse? Privatisation was a brilliant magic money tree policy and it's unfair that it has all gone wrong.

DecrepiterJohnL

Northerners earn £8,404 less despite years of Tory promises to 'level-up'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northerners-earn-8404-less-despite-27688744

DecrepiterJohnL

Liz vs Rishi 7pm tonight at the Darlington hustings.

Scott_xP

...

JosiasJessop

DecrepiterJohnL said:

From water shortages to soaring energy bills and chaos at airports, greedy bosses have betrayed Margaret Thatcher's privatisation dream
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11093467/ALEX-BRUMMER-Greedy-bosses-betrayed-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-dream.html

The Brexit excuse? Privatisation was a brilliant magic money tree policy and it's unfair that it has all gone wrong.

They seem a rather odd set of things to put down to 'privatisation' given the world situation at the moment.

ydoethur

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Northerners earn £8,404 less despite years of Tory promises to 'level-up'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northerners-earn-8404-less-despite-27688744

TBF that is a meaningless claim unless you compare it with the cost of living as well.

It is a lot more expensive to life in the South, partly because of the higher salaries paid there..

rcs1000

vik said:

Jim_Miller said:

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

Trying to jail him will not end well for American democracy. It will turn him into a martyr.

He needs to be beaten at the ballot box.

The problem is that when he's beaten at the ballot box, he claims that is all rigged, and that he really won.

It's extraordinary what damage one man can do to democracy.

rcs1000

Andy_JS said:

Jim_Miller said:

In discussions of "average" house temperatures, it might be clearer if people were to say what times they are talking about. For example, an American might keep their house at 60 degrees when they are sleeping, 72 degrees when they are awake and in the house, and then 60 again when they are away at work. That works out, if those are roughly equal periods, to an average of about 64 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 18 degrees Celsius.

And what seasons, for similar reasons.

(If they have a "smart" thermostat, they could lower the day time temperature even more, and begin a warm-up shortly before they get home, saving even more energy in the winter and, if they have air condiitoning, do the reverse in he summer.)

Almost no-one has air conditioning at home in the UK, which makes it very difficult to sleep on the few nights when it is hot.

Heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers are the answer: pretty great at warming your house in winter, and can be used to cool it (albeit not as much as air conditioning) in summer. But massively more energy efficient.

DecrepiterJohnL

JosiasJessop said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

From water shortages to soaring energy bills and chaos at airports, greedy bosses have betrayed Margaret Thatcher's privatisation dream
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11093467/ALEX-BRUMMER-Greedy-bosses-betrayed-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-dream.html

The Brexit excuse? Privatisation was a brilliant magic money tree policy and it's unfair that it has all gone wrong.

They seem a rather odd set of things to put down to 'privatisation' given the world situation at the moment.

One common factor seems to be lack of investment; another, lax regulation. As the article says, you can't blame the water companies for the weather but you can blame them for inactive desalination plants, lack of reservoirs, no investment in a grid to move water round the country.

Then there is something I've pointed to in the past. Our utilities have been sold overseas.

noneoftheabove

rcs1000 said:

vik said:

Jim_Miller said:

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

Trying to jail him will not end well for American democracy. It will turn him into a martyr.

He needs to be beaten at the ballot box.

The problem is that when he's beaten at the ballot box, he claims that is all rigged, and that he really won.

It's extraordinary what damage one man can do to democracy.

The bigger problem is he has convinced the Republican party to attempt to rig the next one!

TheScreamingEagles

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RUGBY UNION
Eddie Jones: Public schools’ fury as England head coach suggests privately educated players lack resilience
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-jones-public-schools-fury-as-england-head-coach-suggests-privately-educated-players-lack-resilience-9c6px2ffl (£££)

Same in politics. Vote Truss.

Sack Eddie Jones.

I'd rather have Stuart Lancaster back than the hater of privately educated, given how much Eddie Jones hates the privately educated, he must be a shoo-in to be a Labour MP in the future.

TheScreamingEagles

Aaron Bell in The Times.

I was leaning towards Rishi, but now I’m backing Liz

here have been a lot of twists and turns in this leadership race. It seems more than a month ago that the starting gun was fired by the prime minister’s resignation. Since then, we have had parliamentary hustings, TV debates and membership hustings — not to mention Twitter spats and WhatsApp wars.

It has been a tough campaign for everybody. There has been a lot of in-depth policy debate about the future of our party and country, much of which has been productive and insightful. And it’s important that there has been a contest, because it’s right that the candidates have been tested under pressure — we need to know that our next prime minister has what it takes to lead. But there has been a darker side to the campaign too. The blue-on-blue attacks have been bruising and have left me concerned for the good reputation of our party.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-was-leaning-towards-rishi-but-now-im-backing-liz-cjx9p3hdp

Morris_Dancer

Good morning, everyone,

Mr. 1000, but don't heat pumps cost a small fortune to install, including potentially needing new radiators?

Long term efficiency savings at the price of massive short term cost and inconvenience is a tough sell (if we get more heat waves that will become a little easier but the cost remains substantial).

MattW

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Northerners earn £8,404 less despite years of Tory promises to 'level-up'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northerners-earn-8404-less-despite-27688744

Standard misleading garbage from the Daily Mirror aiming for retweets from unthinking idiots on social media .

Innumerate and cynical. No comparison with the N 5 or 12 years ago, despite that being the implication of the headline. The comparison is with London.

Does the Mirror really have this level of contempt for its own readers?

On this basis, they could have said "South Easterners earn £7016 less, despite etc" - looking at the official numbers on median salary for 2021.

No_Offence_Alan

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

How does that work with WFH?

OnlyLivingBoy

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RUGBY UNION
Eddie Jones: Public schools’ fury as England head coach suggests privately educated players lack resilience
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-jones-public-schools-fury-as-england-head-coach-suggests-privately-educated-players-lack-resilience-9c6px2ffl (£££)

Same in politics. Vote Truss.

Hardly surprising that people who get given things on a plate are less resilient than people who have to overcome adversity. Funny how they always get so angry when you question or threaten their supposed superiority.

ydoethur

No_Offence_Alan said:

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

How does that work with WFH?

One room, with either an electric radiator or some kind of solid fuel stove.

I’ve thought of that one for this winter…

DecrepiterJohnL

ydoethur said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Northerners earn £8,404 less despite years of Tory promises to 'level-up'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northerners-earn-8404-less-despite-27688744

TBF that is a meaningless claim unless you compare it with the cost of living as well.

It is a lot more expensive to life in the South, partly because of the higher salaries paid there..

It is not meaningless. It means exactly what it says. It might be misleading in parts, and not just for cost of living reasons; for instance there are plenty of poor people in the South, but you could make similar distractions for any statistic.

For instance, if you said people drive older cars in the north, I could retort that you need to factor in the price of cars and that older cars are cheaper. It is true but it might be just a distraction from your main point.

ydoethur

DecrepiterJohnL said:

ydoethur said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Northerners earn £8,404 less despite years of Tory promises to 'level-up'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northerners-earn-8404-less-despite-27688744

TBF that is a meaningless claim unless you compare it with the cost of living as well.

It is a lot more expensive to life in the South, partly because of the higher salaries paid there..

It is not meaningless. It means exactly what it says. It might be misleading in parts, and not just for cost of living reasons; for instance there are plenty of poor people in the South, but you could make similar distractions for any statistic.

For instance, if you said people drive older cars in the north, I could retort that you need to factor in the price of cars and that older cars are cheaper. It is true but it might be just a distraction from your main point.

Do they actually drive older cars in the north? My impression is they drove somewhat newer cars due to more disposable income, but then I live in the Midlands rather than the north.

rcs1000

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone,

Mr. 1000, but don't heat pumps cost a small fortune to install, including potentially needing new radiators?

Long term efficiency savings at the price of massive short term cost and inconvenience is a tough sell (if we get more heat waves that will become a little easier but the cost remains substantial).

I wouldn't retrofit then without good reason, but if I was building a new house (or doing extensive renovations), then I'd certainly look to use them over a boiler.

TheScreamingEagles

Come Shadsy put up a market on these snitches are.

Former Downing Street figures are preparing to give evidence claiming Boris Johnson misled Parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal, The Telegraph can reveal.

This newspaper has talked to three people contacted by the committee investigating whether the Prime Minister misled MPs about what he knew about the lockdown-breaking gatherings.

All three have alleged that Mr Johnson did not give the fullest account of the facts as he knew them at the time. One has agreed to give evidence to the committee, and two others are considering likewise.

The development gives the clearest indication yet of what material Harriet Harman, the Labour chairman of the privileges committee, is starting to gather as part of her investigation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/08/boris-johnson-misled-parliament-partygate-downing-street-ex/

DecrepiterJohnL

ydoethur said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

How does that work with WFH?

One room, with either an electric radiator or some kind of solid fuel stove.

I’ve thought of that one for this winter…

You do not even need to heat the whole room. Wrap yourself in an electric blanket or throw. It will be interesting to see if there is an uptick in returns to the office this winter. Certainly when I was WFH, on particularly hot days, I'd go into work for free air conditioning. As fuel prices rocket, we might see the same in cold weather.

Or, we might see the opposite. Will companies look to save money by requiring staff to work from home so the firm can save on its heating bill?

Taz

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone,

Mr. 1000, but don't heat pumps cost a small fortune to install, including potentially needing new radiators?

Long term efficiency savings at the price of massive short term cost and inconvenience is a tough sell (if we get more heat waves that will become a little easier but the cost remains substantial).

Yes, you potentially need new radiators and pipe work. I would need new as the pipe work in my house is about half and inch dia if I was to have one.

MattW

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone,

Mr. 1000, but don't heat pumps cost a small fortune to install, including potentially needing new radiators?

Long term efficiency savings at the price of massive short term cost and inconvenience is a tough sell (if we get more heat waves that will become a little easier but the cost remains substantial).

It depends. A part of the £5k (if that is still where we are) grant seems to fall straight through to increasing installation prices, going on quotes I have seen; the effective day rates can be eyewatering.

There is still a huge amount of work to do on the skill-base, and customising it correctly for each installation is not a universal skill yet. In principle an ASHP should be not much more complex to install than say a gas boiler, but we have been doing those for more than half a century. And there are more different types around - for example one currently fashionable approach is called 'hybrid heat pump', which uses a heat pump alongside another heat source eg which is more efficient at lower temperatures.

I am not sure if we are even yet at a point where one can be installed to include cooling, or if it still requires an extra diddle at maintainer access level, or a DIP switch, to un-cripple the configuration. It *was* a regulatory rule in the UK that cooling was not allowed under the Govt scheme; that may have gone.

DecrepiterJohnL

MattW said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Northerners earn £8,404 less despite years of Tory promises to 'level-up'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northerners-earn-8404-less-despite-27688744

Standard misleading garbage from the Daily Mirror aiming for retweets from unthinking idiots on social media .

Innumerate and cynical. No comparison with the N 5 or 12 years ago, despite that being the implication of the headline. The comparison is with London.

Does the Mirror really have this level of contempt for its own readers?

On this basis, they could have said "South Easterners earn £7016 less, despite etc" - looking at the official numbers on median salary for 2021.

If you read the story, you'd see the figures come from a thinktank chaired by George Osborne.

JohnLilburne

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

I certainly don't understand why people hear their homes overnight.

DecrepiterJohnL

TheScreamingEagles said:

Come Shadsy put up a market on these snitches are.

Former Downing Street figures are preparing to give evidence claiming Boris Johnson misled Parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal, The Telegraph can reveal.

This newspaper has talked to three people contacted by the committee investigating whether the Prime Minister misled MPs about what he knew about the lockdown-breaking gatherings.

All three have alleged that Mr Johnson did not give the fullest account of the facts as he knew them at the time. One has agreed to give evidence to the committee, and two others are considering likewise.

The development gives the clearest indication yet of what material Harriet Harman, the Labour chairman of the privileges committee, is starting to gather as part of her investigation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/08/boris-johnson-misled-parliament-partygate-downing-street-ex/

Tbh I'm bored with partygate and want to move on to Lebedevgate and whether Boris has more than a Russian name.

IshmaelZ

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RUGBY UNION
Eddie Jones: Public schools’ fury as England head coach suggests privately educated players lack resilience
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-jones-public-schools-fury-as-england-head-coach-suggests-privately-educated-players-lack-resilience-9c6px2ffl (£££)

Same in politics. Vote Truss.

Hardly surprising that people who get given things on a plate are less resilient than people who have to overcome adversity. Funny how they always get so angry when you question or threaten their supposed superiority.

Or they LOL and check out Jonny Wilkinson's background

ydoethur

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Come Shadsy put up a market on these snitches are.

Former Downing Street figures are preparing to give evidence claiming Boris Johnson misled Parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal, The Telegraph can reveal.

This newspaper has talked to three people contacted by the committee investigating whether the Prime Minister misled MPs about what he knew about the lockdown-breaking gatherings.

All three have alleged that Mr Johnson did not give the fullest account of the facts as he knew them at the time. One has agreed to give evidence to the committee, and two others are considering likewise.

The development gives the clearest indication yet of what material Harriet Harman, the Labour chairman of the privileges committee, is starting to gather as part of her investigation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/08/boris-johnson-misled-parliament-partygate-downing-street-ex/

Tbh I'm bored with partygate and want to move on to Lebedevgate and whether Boris has more than a Russian name.

I can answer that for you. He does, he's got two of them

TheScreamingEagles

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Come Shadsy put up a market on these snitches are.

Former Downing Street figures are preparing to give evidence claiming Boris Johnson misled Parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal, The Telegraph can reveal.

This newspaper has talked to three people contacted by the committee investigating whether the Prime Minister misled MPs about what he knew about the lockdown-breaking gatherings.

All three have alleged that Mr Johnson did not give the fullest account of the facts as he knew them at the time. One has agreed to give evidence to the committee, and two others are considering likewise.

The development gives the clearest indication yet of what material Harriet Harman, the Labour chairman of the privileges committee, is starting to gather as part of her investigation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/08/boris-johnson-misled-parliament-partygate-downing-street-ex/

Tbh I'm bored with partygate and want to move on to Lebedevgate and whether Boris has more than a Russian name.

Aye, we need a new Profumo style scandal.

Was X custard cousins with members of the KGB?

Taz

JohnLilburne said:

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

I certainly don't understand why people hear their homes overnight.

We certainly don’t. It goes off at 10 and back on at 5.30 then off at 7.

Also as I lagged the loft last summer the savings we made were really noticeable. It was only about a hundred quid to do as well. Added a few lap vents to minimise risk of condensation in the loft.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Come Shadsy put up a market on these snitches are.

Former Downing Street figures are preparing to give evidence claiming Boris Johnson misled Parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal, The Telegraph can reveal.

This newspaper has talked to three people contacted by the committee investigating whether the Prime Minister misled MPs about what he knew about the lockdown-breaking gatherings.

All three have alleged that Mr Johnson did not give the fullest account of the facts as he knew them at the time. One has agreed to give evidence to the committee, and two others are considering likewise.

The development gives the clearest indication yet of what material Harriet Harman, the Labour chairman of the privileges committee, is starting to gather as part of her investigation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/08/boris-johnson-misled-parliament-partygate-downing-street-ex/

Tbh I'm bored with partygate and want to move on to Lebedevgate and whether Boris has more than a Russian name.

Aye, we need a new Profumo style scandal.

Was X custard cousins with members of the KGB?

Johnson certainly needs a new Profumo scandal to Ward off his current woes.

edmundintokyo

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone,

Mr. 1000, but don't heat pumps cost a small fortune to install, including potentially needing new radiators?

Long term efficiency savings at the price of massive short term cost and inconvenience is a tough sell (if we get more heat waves that will become a little easier but the cost remains substantial).

The single-room aircon/heat pump units they have all over Asia are dead easy to install. You just need a place to plug it in, a little bit of wall to mount the inside unit on, a place to put the outside unit (which can be on the ground outside, on the roof or mounted to a wall) and a way to run a hose between the two.

Nigelb

rcs1000 said:

vik said:

Jim_Miller said:

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

Trying to jail him will not end well for American democracy. It will turn him into a martyr.

He needs to be beaten at the ballot box.

The problem is that when he's beaten at the ballot box, he claims that is all rigged, and that he really won.

It's extraordinary what damage one man can do to democracy.

It’s not one man.
The majority of the Republican party enabled him even when it was quite clear what he was; the degradation of the Supreme Court is a result of a project which long predates him, which he had little or no real interest in.
He was both catalyst and figurehead, but they’d quite likely have found an alternative.

bondegezou

vik said:

Jim_Miller said:

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

Trying to jail him will not end well for American democracy. It will turn him into a martyr.

He needs to be beaten at the ballot box.

While acknowledging that risk, does not democracy not also require that all are equal before the law? If he’s broken the law (and surely he has), doesn’t he have to face justice?

No_Offence_Alan

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RUGBY UNION
Eddie Jones: Public schools’ fury as England head coach suggests privately educated players lack resilience
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-jones-public-schools-fury-as-england-head-coach-suggests-privately-educated-players-lack-resilience-9c6px2ffl (£££)

Same in politics. Vote Truss.

Hardly surprising that people who get given things on a plate are less resilient than people who have to overcome adversity. Funny how they always get so angry when you question or threaten their supposed superiority.

Many Irish Rugby players, including B O'D, went to the all-male private Blackrock College.

RochdalePioneers

vik said:

Jim_Miller said:

Regarding that raid on Mar a Swampo: I'll bet some musicians are already practicing a new version of that old song. Instead of "hail to the Chief", it will be "Jail to the Chief".

Trying to jail him will not end well for American democracy. It will turn him into a martyr.

He needs to be beaten at the ballot box.

That one statement highlights that American democracy is already broken.

Trump is a gangster. The Fibbies and others have amassed a pile of evidence of his multi-layered RICO and yet when anyone starts to dig into this the scream political interference.

Trump should be facing 50 years in jail, not the ballot box.

Nigelb

TheScreamingEagles said:

Aaron Bell in The Times.

I was leaning towards Rishi, but now I’m backing Liz

here have been a lot of twists and turns in this leadership race. It seems more than a month ago that the starting gun was fired by the prime minister’s resignation. Since then, we have had parliamentary hustings, TV debates and membership hustings — not to mention Twitter spats and WhatsApp wars.

It has been a tough campaign for everybody. There has been a lot of in-depth policy debate about the future of our party and country, much of which has been productive and insightful. And it’s important that there has been a contest, because it’s right that the candidates have been tested under pressure — we need to know that our next prime minister has what it takes to lead. But there has been a darker side to the campaign too. The blue-on-blue attacks have been bruising and have left me concerned for the good reputation of our party.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-was-leaning-towards-rishi-but-now-im-backing-liz-cjx9p3hdp

Bit late to be concerned about the good reputation of the party.
That bus left some time ago.

RochdalePioneers

DecrepiterJohnL said:

edmundintokyo said:

Good thread on what could be happening with the Trump raid:

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1556809096879284227?t=TxE6ffY5hTpRCu98DKjMbQ&s=19

If the goal is to secure the documents, it may not necessarily imply that they're going to try to lock up Trump.

The significant tweet in that thread might be this one:-

First, assuming that this involves mishandling or unauthorized removal of classified information, their presence at Mar-a-Lago is ipso-facto evidence — in other words, the substance of the documents are not what the FBI is interested in; it’s whether they are there, period

Aiui the penalties for mishandling these government documents can include disqualification from office. Trouble is I can't find where I read that so DYOR as they say.

Mishandling classified documents? Like emails?

Lock him up!
Lock him up!

Seriously America, how stupid do you have to be to have fallen for *that*

MattW

rcs1000 said:

Andy_JS said:

Jim_Miller said:

In discussions of "average" house temperatures, it might be clearer if people were to say what times they are talking about. For example, an American might keep their house at 60 degrees when they are sleeping, 72 degrees when they are awake and in the house, and then 60 again when they are away at work. That works out, if those are roughly equal periods, to an average of about 64 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 18 degrees Celsius.

And what seasons, for similar reasons.

(If they have a "smart" thermostat, they could lower the day time temperature even more, and begin a warm-up shortly before they get home, saving even more energy in the winter and, if they have air condiitoning, do the reverse in he summer.)

Almost no-one has air conditioning at home in the UK, which makes it very difficult to sleep on the few nights when it is hot.

Heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers are the answer: pretty great at warming your house in winter, and can be used to cool it (albeit not as much as air conditioning) in summer. But massively more energy efficient.

@rcs1000

You asked for an updated on my portable air con / heat pump. I'll be testing further next weekend, but it seems effective.

Insulated air ducts are important, as for me will be properly plumbing it in through a hole in the wall - rather than using the insulated plywood piece I have made cut for a window to the conservatory whilst experimenting.
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1 - In hot weather this is quite capable of lowering my downstairs temperature by several degrees quite quickly, whilst using about 1kW+ of power. I have not had seriously hot temperatures since it arrived.

2 - The extra control via wifi is worth it for the extra £20 or so. I aim to be working to the thing coming on between 7am and 11am when the temperature is above 19C, which can be programmed.

It uses a generic App known as TUVA.

Eabhal

DecrepiterJohnL said:

ydoethur said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

How does that work with WFH?

One room, with either an electric radiator or some kind of solid fuel stove.

I’ve thought of that one for this winter…

You do not even need to heat the whole room. Wrap yourself in an electric blanket or throw. It will be interesting to see if there is an uptick in returns to the office this winter. Certainly when I was WFH, on particularly hot days, I'd go into work for free air conditioning. As fuel prices rocket, we might see the same in cold weather.

Or, we might see the opposite. Will companies look to save money by requiring staff to work from home so the firm can save on its heating bill?

Work has heating, showers, kitchen, gym.

Strong average hours a week but low productivity from me this winter.

TheScreamingEagles

I've always liked Yorkshire's ASDA.

Asda ‘shaming poor families’ by putting cheap food in bright yellow packaging

Asda has defended its new budget range of items after being accused of ‘shaming’ poor people with bright yellow packaging.

The chain recently replaced Smartprice products with new Just Essentials branding, its ‘largest ever budget-friendly range’, which is intended to help shoppers combat the rising cost of living.

It includes fresh meat, fish and poultry, bakery, frozen and cupboard staples as well as washing up liquid, toilet roll, shampoo and other toiletries and household essentials.

However, the bright yellow design of the new range has led some people to claim that it stands out too much and gives ‘poverty markers’ to shoppers.

All previous Smart Price items had white packaging.

One shopper said the bright colour screams: ‘We are poor!’

Another added it suggests ‘people on lower incomes should have a basket full of poverty markers’.

But Asda said its customers were ‘loving’ the range.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/08/asda-shaming-poor-families-by-putting-cheap-food-in-bright-yellow-packaging-17145967/

RochdalePioneers

DecrepiterJohnL said:

From water shortages to soaring energy bills and chaos at airports, greedy bosses have betrayed Margaret Thatcher's privatisation dream
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11093467/ALEX-BRUMMER-Greedy-bosses-betrayed-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-dream.html

The Brexit excuse? Privatisation was a brilliant magic money tree policy and it's unfair that it has all gone wrong.

Here is the fundamental problem will flogging off strategic national infrastructure like water. There is no free market. No competition. Simply a monopoly where private companies "have paid their bosses gargantuan salaries, and their foreign owners enormous dividends, while failing to invest in the infrastructure necessary to deal with a thirsty and growing population."

But it is a regulated industry. So regulate the fuckers to do the strategic national infrastructure part. They won't invest otherwise so force them to do so as part of their operating license.

The 30 year failure of all governments to properly "regulate the fuckers" is the failing. Yes they should never have been flogged off abroad cheaply, but having done that they should at least have been forced to do what they need to do.

MattW

No_Offence_Alan said:

Andy_JS said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
4h
Exclusive - Ed Davey calls for ‘energy furlough scheme’ to avoid October price cap rise, *cancelling* the £1400 rise in its entirety and having govt absorb the £36bn cost (paid in part via new windfall tax)

Probably the correct policy.

But only if paired with a tranche of domestic energy efficiency measures.

Even on the coldest days we don't have the heating on all day. It's usually on for about 3 hours in the morning and about 3 to 4 hours in the evening. If everyone did the same a lot of energy could be saved.

How does that work with WFH?

Moving in the right direction. But there's been a lot of populism about windfall taxes etc, so a decent debate is difficult.

Davey's consumer politics is really just standard energy Nimbyism - "I'll make somebody pay who isn't you."

On the last point, isn't a couple of hours morning and evening just SoP?

In well insulated houses airtight houses it will take 24 hours for the house to drop by 1-2C. Quite often getting the heat out in the autumn / spring / summer is as big a problem as getting it in in the winter.

And often the place will be run as a single heating zone, with the UFH slab heating providing a buffer.

edmundintokyo

MattW said:

rcs1000 said:

Andy_JS said:

Jim_Miller said:

In discussions of "average" house temperatures, it might be clearer if people were to say what times they are talking about. For example, an American might keep their house at 60 degrees when they are sleeping, 72 degrees when they are awake and in the house, and then 60 again when they are away at work. That works out, if those are roughly equal periods, to an average of about 64 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 18 degrees Celsius.

And what seasons, for similar reasons.

(If they have a "smart" thermostat, they could lower the day time temperature even more, and begin a warm-up shortly before they get home, saving even more energy in the winter and, if they have air condiitoning, do the reverse in he summer.)

Almost no-one has air conditioning at home in the UK, which makes it very difficult to sleep on the few nights when it is hot.

Heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers are the answer: pretty great at warming your house in winter, and can be used to cool it (albeit not as much as air conditioning) in summer. But massively more energy efficient.

@rcs1000

You asked for an updated on my portable air con / heat pump. I'll be testing further next weekend, but it seems effective.

Insulated air ducts are important, as for me will be properly plumbing it in through a hole in the wall - rather than using the insulated plywood piece I have made cut for a window to the conservatory whilst experimenting.
----------------------

1 - In hot weather this is quite capable of lowering my downstairs temperature by several degrees quite quickly, whilst using about 1kW+ of power. I have not had seriously hot temperatures since it arrived.

2 - The extra control via wifi is worth it for the extra £20 or so. I aim to be working to the thing coming on between 7am and 11am when the temperature is above 19C, which can be programmed.

It uses a generic App known as TUVA.

I love my wifi control so much. I have a little app by Panasonic that controls all my aircons. You never have to go into a too-hot not too-cold place, just set it before you go there, including when you're out and heading home.