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Wednesday's Independent front page – "A nation divided against itself" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #indref pic.twitter.com/zg36ji6Uoq

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    Test
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    What happened to the last thread?
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Headline says it all. Very worrying.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Reading the front of the independent,it seems the Scottish labour party and Scottish labour voters are divided ;-)
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    We were left out in the cold for a period there.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Daily Mail wins the front page of the day.

    Scottish Sun chickens out and stays neutral.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    RobD said:

    What happened to the last thread?

    Someone broke Vanilla


    *Innocent Face*
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Given it might be close and that it will require an Act of the UK Parliament to make Scotland independent is there any possibility that Cameron may not get this through?
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Yes ..... what happened? I think we should be told!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Did we hit some discontinuity in the space-time continuum on the last thread? Maybe it was the praising of Gordon Brown which crashed the universe.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    Daily Mail front page added to the thread header
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    peter_from_putney said:

    Yes ..... what happened? I think we should be told!

    Don't know. Vanilla got overloaded I think
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited September 2014
    The Sun sitting on the fence about this, presumably to avoid being seen as being on the "losing side", makes me wonder what Murdoch will do if it looks like Labour will win next year's election.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Daily Mail front page added to the thread header

    Imagine what the media will be like if we ever get an EU referendum!
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Chris_A said:

    Given it might be close and that it will require an Act of the UK Parliament to make Scotland independent is there any possibility that Cameron may not get this through?

    None, in the event of a yes, even by 1 vote, Westminster will accept it and move on.

    The alternative of a democratic result being ignored is too horrid to contemplate. It'd trash the UKs reputation, result in civil disorder and a UDI declaration in Edinburgh.

    People would die.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited September 2014
    Eek, that's a seriously nasty front page story for the Mail. Scotland we be torn in two by this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    MikeSmithson said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    Yes ..... what happened? I think we should be told!

    Don't know. Vanilla got overloaded I think
    Tipping point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,932
    Bill Clinton issues a statement tonight to Scotland which encapsulates the campaign in one "Unity with maximum self-determination sends a powerful message to a world torn by identity conflicts that it is possible to respect our differences while living and working together. This is the great challenge of our time. The Scots can show us how to meet it." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-29216377
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Chris_A said:

    Given it might be close and that it will require an Act of the UK Parliament to make Scotland independent is there any possibility that Cameron may not get this through?

    I was actually wondering this. Will it need parliamentary approval for Scotland to become independent even after the referendum?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The front pages are hurling abuse at the SNP and YES voters. The same tactic they tried and failed against UKIP in May. Will it work this time?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,235
    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,846
    Its getting shoutier with ever increasing levels of personal abuse. Considering what's at stake its not a surprise. This is the point where the powers that be unleash their "Salmond met with Satan" letter to ensure the yes campaign are under siege going into polling day.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    nigel4england said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Daily Mail front page added to the thread header

    Imagine what the media will be like if we ever get an EU referendum!
    It will be like that, but reversed (excluding the FT).
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I wanted to read the comments on the previous thread but it says "comments closed".
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Obama was in town today speaking at the CDC - is that what broke PB?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Question: are these the Scottish paper front pages, or standard UK?

    Big difference, even inside the Union.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,397
    Are these front pages the same in England and Scotland?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014
    MikeK said:

    The front pages are hurling abuse at the SNP and YES voters. The same tactic they tried and failed against UKIP in May. Will it work this time?

    This is different.
    This time the accused are physically attacking their opponents in front of the camera.
    So they can't play innocent.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Betfair has actually moved against YES since these 3 polls were released. It was 4.5 and now 5:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/market?marketId=1.110033387&status=SUCCESS

    Must be lack of momentum for YES so far as punters are concerned.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    AndyJS said:

    I wanted to read the comments on the previous thread but it says "comments closed".

    Thats to stop you being nosey. ;-)

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Did we hit some discontinuity in the space-time continuum on the last thread? Maybe it was the praising of Gordon Brown which crashed the universe.

    *sniggers*

    Well actually

    *Chortles*

    Nah, lets be honest,

    *full out belly laugh*

    And now I have broken my specs, so off to beddy-byes I must be, Goodnight all and thanks for a great day's entertainment.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,397
    I repeat... there should be a referendum every five years until one side wins by 10%

    Else pent up anxiety of the losing side will create a horrible atmosphere in Scotland, and sectarianism and violence will increase IMO
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,235
    So far as the Daily mail is concerned it is good of them to ask a question and answer on it the same page. I will be very glad when this is over.
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    MikeK said:

    The front pages are hurling abuse at the SNP and YES voters. The same tactic they tried and failed against UKIP in May. Will it work this time?

    I saw something that suggested the pre-Euro abuse cost UKIP about 2-3% (Ford and Goodwin perhaps?). That said, the Euros were a free vote and this referendum is serious, so it's not really comparing like with like.
  • GarethofthevaleGarethofthevale Posts: 503
    You do wonder how these stories of intimidation will play with women, who have been one of the key swing groups
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,932
    edited September 2014
    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence for Europe could be the same as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    Hoping that the Daily Mail pun was unintentional. 'How ...to beat sex problems pullout' I think they have less problem with the pulling out, more to do with the putting in.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    The prime minister will face widespread calls to resign if Scotland opts for separation, including from members of his government. Andrew Rosindell, MP for Romford, became the first to go public yesterday. “I hope Scots vote to stay. If it goes wrong, however, the prime minister will have to decide what the honourable thing is to do,” he told The Financial Time
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    AndyJS said:

    Betfair has actually moved against YES since these 3 polls were released. It was 4.5 and now 5:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/market?marketId=1.110033387&status=SUCCESS

    Must be lack of momentum for YES so far as punters are concerned.

    That 56% Yes Poll from ICM the other day probably kept some momentum for Yes.

    Without it, large volumes of punters probably feel less concerned.

    Lucky them!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Still no YES poll leads as we go into the last 48 hours, postal votes looking good for NO, energised NO groundworkers and frustrated YES supporters now turning to anger on the streets?

    Seems pretty clear to me: YES have lost this.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Even Lord Barnett himself says that the Barnett formula is a mistake:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11100400/My-funding-formula-for-Scotland-is-a-terrible-mistake-Lord-Barnett-admits.html

    So why do we have a LibLabCon stitch-up to maintain higher spending in Scotland than in EWNI long-term? If the Scots need a bribe to stay in, then they should just leave.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Y'all missed a cracking observation from Jonathan on the last thread...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,235
    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    DavidL said:

    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.

    Will the criminal activity by YES be condemned by the SNP?

    I will repeat my previous question.
    According to DavidL, the YES has destroyed private property, physically attacked people and disrupted communications. At which level of criminal activity will the YES campaign be described as a terrorist organisation by current anti-terror laws?
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    Garethofthevale said:

    You do wonder how these stories of intimidation will play with women, who have been one of the key swing groups

    I would think most woman would push back. Woman don't take kindly, at all, to such behaviour.

    My Wife; a classic case in point! If someone tried to make her feel uncomfortable, she won't give in to it.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Speedy said:

    MikeK said:

    The front pages are hurling abuse at the SNP and YES voters. The same tactic they tried and failed against UKIP in May. Will it work this time?

    This is different.
    This time the accused are physically attacking their opponents in front of the camera.
    So they can't play innocent.
    You are so right. It was mainly Kippers and UKIP that got physically attacked.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Scotland voting to leave the UK, would have the same consequences for me, when Robbie left Take That in 1995.

    I was inconsolable for days.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Casino: " postal votes looking good for NO"

    How in God's name do you know ?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    SimonStClare said:

    Eek, that's a seriously nasty front page story for the Mail. Scotland we be torn in two by this.

    Scotland has already been ripped in two, perhaps irreversibly. Headlines like this, and further proof of 1933 German levels of intimidation will make this worse. A development which is even more scary is the carving up of Scotland into 'Unionist' and 'Separatist' parts.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Scottish Daily Mail front page
    http://t.co/PYIGgKy4zX
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,932
    DavidL Well yes I suppose they are Yes backers, perhaps best not to fall to the worst level of the most extreme of the cybernats
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Scotland voting to leave the UK, would have the same consequences for me, when Robbie left Take That in 1995.

    I was inconsolable for days.
    Chin up! Scotland leaving would make it more likely that the Tories win will the next election in rUK.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited September 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Scotland voting to leave the UK, would have the same consequences for me, when Robbie left Take That in 1995. - I was inconsolable for days.
    Seriously? - blimey, I thought all those stories in the tabloids were made up...
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    DavidL said:

    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.

    Do you know when the Sky intimidation stuff will be released?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,243
    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence for Europe could be the same as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    Russia is going to become communist?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    MikeK said:

    The front pages are hurling abuse at the SNP and YES voters. The same tactic they tried and failed against UKIP in May. Will it work this time?

    I doubt it, but then the abuse has been hurled around liberally all through this campaign and no-one looks good for it, this is just a bit more direct and on the front page.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence for Europe could be the same as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    One more political failure trying to surface on dribble.
    It will be bad regarding Spain, Italy and Belgium, but not world war level.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
  • Unionist1707Unionist1707 Posts: 43
    DavidL said:

    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.

    Hmm... Not sure whether I should drive up in the early hours of Thursday morning or join the phone bank. What do you think?
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Socrates said:

    Even Lord Barnett himself says that the Barnett formula is a mistake:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11100400/My-funding-formula-for-Scotland-is-a-terrible-mistake-Lord-Barnett-admits.html

    So why do we have a LibLabCon stitch-up to maintain higher spending in Scotland than in EWNI long-term? If the Scots need a bribe to stay in, then they should just leave.

    This is the very, very big question Cameron has to answer to Conservative voters. There's simply no ducking it.
    For Miliband and Clegg it was an easy decision, it preserved their parties' seats.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,888
    Eh_ehm_a_eh said:

    Scottish Daily Mail front page
    http://t.co/PYIGgKy4zX

    It's almost like they're talking to two different countries.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    edited September 2014
    Danny565 said:

    Chris_A said:

    Given it might be close and that it will require an Act of the UK Parliament to make Scotland independent is there any possibility that Cameron may not get this through?

    I was actually wondering this. Will it need parliamentary approval for Scotland to become independent even after the referendum?
    I should think so, but almost no-one's going to vote against that if the referendum is for Yes. What would that accomplish even from the most fervent supporter of the Union?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Meanwhile, a YES vote is now out to 5 on Betfair.

    My hunch is that the Scots are gonna reject this, by a few tens of thousands of votes.

    AAAARGH.

    Decided I ought to share in the "squeaky bum time" feeling. Just put £200 on NO.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,235
    Chameleon said:

    DavidL said:

    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.

    Do you know when the Sky intimidation stuff will be released?
    No. I am surprised it was not on tonight. I was not there and cannot vouch the extent of it. The word "pelters" came from the organiser at tonight's meeting and I am not entirely sure what he meant by this. Verbal abuse bordering on racial abuse "English bastard" etc is pretty common and seems to be tolerated. Actual threats I have seen very little of.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Eh_ehm_a_eh said:

    Scottish Daily Mail front page
    http://t.co/PYIGgKy4zX

    Wrong title.
    It should be saying "24 hours to save scotland from SNP".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    Not immediately I hope?
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    In the last week we have seen the true colours of ZANU-SNP, I fear the nationalist thugs will now resort to armed struggle if they cannot win by democratic means.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    Not immediately I hope?
    "Scotland voting YES will result in HM The Queen to suffer a massive heart attack!"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,932
    edited September 2014
    Brilliant frontpage of the Mirror, in total contrast to the bet hedging Sun
    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/511991954344017920/photo/1
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,235
    Unionist1707 said:

    DavidL said:

    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.

    Hmm... Not sure whether I should drive up in the early hours of Thursday morning or join the phone bank. What do you think?
    I wouldn't come up on the off chance. We are getting reasonably organised and jobs are being allocated. If you are minded to come up contact the BT organisers where you would be minded to go so you can have a polling station or other task allocated etc. now. I would suggest that providing transport is going to be of limited use if you don't know the areas.

    I think the phone banks are going to be key and there is a lot of useful work to be done there. Our supporters have been much more motivated since that Yougov poll which will hopefully be the turning point of the campaign but there is always some who need a reminder of what is at stake.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    edited September 2014
    dodrade said:

    In the last week we have seen the true colours of ZANU-SNP, I fear the nationalist thugs will now resort to armed struggle if they cannot win by democratic means.

    Settle down now - nationalists know even a No win is not the end for the cause, they have increased their chances of independence steadily over decades. If they cannot get it this time, they will get another chance in, say, 10 years, why would they jeopardize that?

    Also, they may well still win by democratic means of course.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    What happened to the comments in the last thread?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    Not immediately I hope?
    "Scotland voting YES will result in HM The Queen to suffer a massive heart attack!"
    Try adding this:

    Sky News ‏@SkyNews 26m
    DAILY STAR FRONT PAGE: 'Invasion of the giant spiders' #skypapers pic.twitter.com/zbzTgxp84j
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    What happened to the comments in the last thread?

    Vanilla overloaded.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    What happened to the comments in the last thread?

    Vanilla overloaded.
    You should have tried the Neapolitan! (joke!)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,932
    edited September 2014
    Salmond tried to silence Vice Principal of St Andrews says Daily Telegraph

    twitter.com/AcademicsTog/status/511980523187863552/photo/1
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    Speedy said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    Not immediately I hope?
    "Scotland voting YES will result in HM The Queen to suffer a massive heart attack!"
    Try adding this:

    Sky News ‏@SkyNews 26m
    DAILY STAR FRONT PAGE: 'Invasion of the giant spiders' #skypapers pic.twitter.com/zbzTgxp84j
    "Scotland voting YES will cause every first-born Scots male's willy to fall off!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    HYUFD said:

    Brilliant frontpage of the Mirror, in total contrast to the bet hedging Sun
    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/511991954344017920/photo/1

    Wouldn't it be a coup for any of the people pictured to now come out for Yes. Ok, it's only 3 people, but still an opportunity.

  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,579
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    Not immediately I hope?
    "Scotland voting YES will result in HM The Queen to suffer a massive heart attack!"
    "Scotland voting YES will result in OGH tearing all remaining hair out!"

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,102
    edited September 2014
    twitter.com/The_SSP_/status/511975012656746496

    This just out.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    It will light the fuse, but be 5 billion years before it happens, so plenty of time to work on warp drive...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    What happened to the comments in the last thread?

    Vanilla overloaded.
    You should have tried the Neapolitan! (joke!)
    I'm not sure I'm keen on mixing the colours.

    Separate but equal
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Speedy said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    Not immediately I hope?
    "Scotland voting YES will result in HM The Queen to suffer a massive heart attack!"
    Try adding this:

    Sky News ‏@SkyNews 26m
    DAILY STAR FRONT PAGE: 'Invasion of the giant spiders' #skypapers pic.twitter.com/zbzTgxp84j
    "Scotland voting YES will cause every first-born Scots male's willy to fall off!"
    I almost feel bad for the first born, they always seem to be the ones to get punished. No one ever punishes the fifth born.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,577
    HYUFD said:

    Brilliant frontpage of the Mirror, in total contrast to the bet hedging Sun
    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/511991954344017920/photo/1

    Whilst I understand the sentiment and the intent I am not sure using the debacle of the Scots Greys at Waterloo is the best way to send a message to Scotland. Thankfully 99% of those who see the front page won't know the history.
  • Unionist1707Unionist1707 Posts: 43
    DavidL said:

    Unionist1707 said:

    DavidL said:

    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.

    Hmm... Not sure whether I should drive up in the early hours of Thursday morning or join the phone bank. What do you think?
    I wouldn't come up on the off chance. We are getting reasonably organised and jobs are being allocated. If you are minded to come up contact the BT organisers where you would be minded to go so you can have a polling station or other task allocated etc. now. I would suggest that providing transport is going to be of limited use if you don't know the areas.

    I think the phone banks are going to be key and there is a lot of useful work to be done there. Our supporters have been much more motivated since that Yougov poll which will hopefully be the turning point of the campaign but there is always some who need a reminder of what is at stake.
    Very well, phone bank it is. I've campaigned in person at the weekend, so I don't feel like it's too much of a cop-out.

    I guess that's 10+ hours of calls to look forward to on Thursday. Bring it on!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,577
    tpfkar said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Former Italian PM Enrico Letta tonight has said the consequences of Scottish independence could have the same consequences as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4208846.ece

    What the pop group?

    Is this a hyperbole competition and can anyone join in?
    Can I? :)

    "Scotland voting YES will cause the Sun to go supernova and destroy the entire solar system!"
    Not immediately I hope?
    "Scotland voting YES will result in HM The Queen to suffer a massive heart attack!"
    "Scotland voting YES will result in OGH tearing all remaining hair out!"


    Both of them!!!???

    :-)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,888
    HYUFD said:

    Brilliant frontpage of the Mirror, in total contrast to the bet hedging Sun
    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/511991954344017920/photo/1

    You do know how many copies the Mirror sells in Scotland?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Possible if not probable 2 outcomes of the Indy/ref:

    YES wins by 27,000
    NO wins by 140,000

    In other words and either way, a massive headache for the UK.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Brilliant frontpage of the Mirror, in total contrast to the bet hedging Sun
    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/511991954344017920/photo/1

    Isn't that the Charge Of The Light Brigade they are using. Hardly our finest moment
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,235
    HYUFD said:

    Salmond tried to silence Vice Principal of St Andrews says Daily Telegraph

    twitter.com/AcademicsTog/status/511980523187863552/photo/1

    To be honest that is rather old news in Scotland. The bullying of academics from various universities has been a theme for over a year. The fear of being perceived as being critical in the tertiary sector in Scotland is a problem and is one of the reasons that the lack of funded places for Scots students has been such a non story.

    I mentioned a while ago that the son of a friend of mine who had not done as well in his exams as required tried to go into clearing only to be told that these places were only available if he could contrive to get an English address and agree to pay fees. Scottish education is living off English fees to an extent that the Universities are frightened to admit. Just another example of rank hypocrisy and dishonesty.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,235
    Unionist1707 said:

    DavidL said:

    Unionist1707 said:

    DavidL said:

    I posted some comments at the end of the last thread. I can't recover it at the moment.

    What I said was that Sky had a news reporter undercover today in Dundee. He went out wearing a No T shirt and got pelters. All recorded apparently.

    The BT bus in Dundee was also vandalised today. The Courier reports farmers with signs in their fields have had their phone lines cut and threats to let their stock loose over the Perth dual carriageway. Rather than simply vandalising the signs in the field some have now been burnt.

    I see from the news Ed finally did something useful for the campaign today: he got attacked. We were briefed tonight to expect trouble and intimidation at polling stations and indeed at the count itself. Things are reaching a boiling point and there is a real risk of disorder. So far this has been trivial and frankly overblown but things are changing.

    Last night I promised to report back from the meeting. The suggestion was that if those south of the border had already made contact with either BT, the tories or Labour to arrive in Scotland they would be very welcome. We want as large a presence as possible at the polling stations to at least witness any intimidation that arises. If not both the tories and Labour are now running phone banks from England to help with GOTV and are looking for volunteers.

    My perception of this campaign is a lot more like the polls than most of the comments on the last thread. It is on a knife edge and major efforts are still required. Still, I like our chances.

    Hmm... Not sure whether I should drive up in the early hours of Thursday morning or join the phone bank. What do you think?
    I wouldn't come up on the off chance. We are getting reasonably organised and jobs are being allocated. If you are minded to come up contact the BT organisers where you would be minded to go so you can have a polling station or other task allocated etc. now. I would suggest that providing transport is going to be of limited use if you don't know the areas.

    I think the phone banks are going to be key and there is a lot of useful work to be done there. Our supporters have been much more motivated since that Yougov poll which will hopefully be the turning point of the campaign but there is always some who need a reminder of what is at stake.
    Very well, phone bank it is. I've campaigned in person at the weekend, so I don't feel like it's too much of a cop-out.

    I guess that's 10+ hours of calls to look forward to on Thursday. Bring it on!
    Thanks for your help. I really mean that.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    More importantly, aren't we all glad arsenal always make the champions league....
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,577
    manofkent2014 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Brilliant frontpage of the Mirror, in total contrast to the bet hedging Sun
    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/511991954344017920/photo/1

    Isn't that the Charge Of The Light Brigade they are using. Hardly our finest moment
    No its the Scots Greys at Waterloo. Another ill conceived cavalry charge.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    manofkent2014 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Brilliant frontpage of the Mirror, in total contrast to the bet hedging Sun
    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/511991954344017920/photo/1

    Isn't that the Charge Of The Light Brigade they are using. Hardly our finest moment
    I also thought that, then remembered that the cavalry group of the Light Brigade wore a different coloured uniform.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Danny565 said:

    Chris_A said:

    Given it might be close and that it will require an Act of the UK Parliament to make Scotland independent is there any possibility that Cameron may not get this through?

    I was actually wondering this. Will it need parliamentary approval for Scotland to become independent even after the referendum?
    Absolutely both the Union with England Act 1706 (S) and Union with Scotland Act 1707 will need repealing (and much else besides) and only the UK Parliament can do that, although there is some legal opinion apparently which says that these are not acts but international treaties.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,430
    Can't believe The Sun isn't even sticking up for the continuation of Britain. What's the bloody point of them then?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Sky: Tom Newton-Dunn thinks there will be riots on Friday...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,102
    Chris_A said:

    Danny565 said:

    Chris_A said:

    Given it might be close and that it will require an Act of the UK Parliament to make Scotland independent is there any possibility that Cameron may not get this through?

    I was actually wondering this. Will it need parliamentary approval for Scotland to become independent even after the referendum?
    Absolutely both the Union with England Act 1706 (S) and Union with Scotland Act 1707 will need repealing (and much else besides) and only the UK Parliament can do that, although there is some legal opinion apparently which says that these are not acts but international treaties.

    This was discussed here a year or so back. It is apparently alternatively possible (IIRC) for the Queen in Council to sign an order to give Scotland independence if Parliament does not object - effectively to give 100% devolution.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,932
    Sunil For hopefully the penultimate time Labour would still be ahead without Scotland, it is UKIP who would benefit most
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,932
    kle4 I don't think those leading the cavalry charge at Waterloo will be voting on Thursday sadly!
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