politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » With just four days to the big day Marf returns to give her
Comments
-
stop using big numbers, you'll confuse him.rcs1000 said:
I think I only score one. Gutted.BlackDouglas said:
Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissistsHugh said:
Good point! So we have-MonikerDiCanio said:
RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....Hugh said:
Good idea.Alanbrooke said:
maybe we need one going the other wayTheuniondivvie said:
Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.
Casual anti-Scottish racism.
Tories.
London.
Feel free to add to the list anyone...
Casual anti-Scottish racism
Tories
London
RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense
Racist and biased football commentators
Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
Anglo-Saxon supremacism
Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
Contrived eccentricity
Whitehall scammers...0 -
Just the YouGovSunil_Prasannan said:
Thanks TSE! Any other polls this weekend? We count nine including Survation with fieldwork since the 8th.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://t.co/EQRJKDT7XRSunil_Prasannan said:
Ooops, we missed that one for our ELBOW - are there any tables?AndyJS said:Today's Survation/MoS:
Lab 35% (-1)
Con 31% (+4)
UKIP 19% (-3)
LD 8% (+1)
Updated numbers for ELBOW this week, inc. Survation:
Lab 36.0% (+0.1)
Con 31.2% (-1.6)
UKIP 15.9% (+1.2)
LD 7.5% (+0.1)
changes from 17th August (four weeks back):
Lab -0.2
Con -2.0
UKIP +2.6
LD -1.10 -
Maybe the 5/2 I took on ukip here isn't so bad
OOPS! I mentioned betting!!! Sorry my bad
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ)
14/09/2014 20:58
Labour is facing a battle from Ukip, a party that bangs on about local roots. And so it does this. Head. Wall. --> manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-m…0 -
Ah. Well I refuse to believe the Scottish political class will not produce its own fair share of overeducated, public schooled eccentrics, as that's a human thing, not a London thing. A certain percentage in any bunch.Freggles said:kle4 said:
OK, 'contrived eccentricity' confuses me - is that a reference to something, or do you not have eccentrics in Scotland?BlackDouglas said:
Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissistsHugh said:
Good point! So we have-MonikerDiCanio said:
RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....Hugh said:
Good idea.Alanbrooke said:
maybe we need one going the other wayTheuniondivvie said:
Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.
Casual anti-Scottish racism.
Tories.
London.
Feel free to add to the list anyone...
Casual anti-Scottish racism
Tories
London
RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense
Racist and biased football commentators
Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
Anglo-Saxon supremacism
Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
Contrived eccentricity
Whitehall scammers...
'contrived' is key there, looks like a Boris reference0 -
[gasp] You're a footy commentator????rcs1000 said:
I think I only score one. Gutted.BlackDouglas said:
Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissistsHugh said:
Good point! So we have-MonikerDiCanio said:
RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....Hugh said:
Good idea.Alanbrooke said:
maybe we need one going the other wayTheuniondivvie said:
Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.
Casual anti-Scottish racism.
Tories.
London.
Feel free to add to the list anyone...
Casual anti-Scottish racism
Tories
London
RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense
Racist and biased football commentators
Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
Anglo-Saxon supremacism
Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
Contrived eccentricity
Whitehall scammers...
0 -
never the same as a blogfoxinsoxuk said:
He is on twitter.Alanbrooke said:
I miss HD2, a true eccentric.rcs1000 said:
I don't think James Kelly is still in jail. Like most people who've gotten banned it will almost certainly have been for a very brief period. (HD2 is the exception here...)Hugh said:
I think they should certainly let James Kelly out of jail (if he wants it).Roger said:alex
"I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"
.....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own
(PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)
Always polite and insightful.
MickPork might be less to people's tastes, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back either.
Just think PB, you can rub their noses in it when Scotland votes no!0 -
Phones4U have gone into administration, inevitable when none of the major network would be doing any business with them.0
-
Perhaps they've worked out that Murdoch officially backing the Union is the "Yes" campaigns last hope? Always seemed very unconvincing this idea that they would actually want the support of the Scottish Sun...Howard said:Given that it is the political editor of The Sun that is tweeting about the Big Name and Midnight, it seems likely to be Rupert Murdoch.
0 -
Well, it seems that as none of the above, I am still welcome...BlackDouglas said:
Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissistsHugh said:
Good point! So we have-MonikerDiCanio said:
RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....Hugh said:
Good idea.Alanbrooke said:
maybe we need one going the other wayTheuniondivvie said:
Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.
Casual anti-Scottish racism.
Tories.
London.
Feel free to add to the list anyone...
Casual anti-Scottish racism
Tories
London
RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense
Racist and biased football commentators
Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
Anglo-Saxon supremacism
Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
Contrived eccentricity
Whitehall scammers...0 -
Not sure I've ever heard Boris Johnson do a football commentary, but he just about manages every other category.rcs1000 said:
I think I only score one. Gutted.BlackDouglas said:
Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissistsHugh said:
Good point! So we have-MonikerDiCanio said:
RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....Hugh said:
Good idea.Alanbrooke said:
maybe we need one going the other wayTheuniondivvie said:
Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.
Casual anti-Scottish racism.
Tories.
London.
Feel free to add to the list anyone...
Casual anti-Scottish racism
Tories
London
RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense
Racist and biased football commentators
Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
Anglo-Saxon supremacism
Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
Contrived eccentricity
Whitehall scammers...0 -
Personally I will not be glad to see the back of anything. If Scotland votes yes then I'll never set foot in the country again. Was very depressing to be on holiday there last week. Whatever happens 50% of the population will be extremely hacked off such is the nasty, divisive, sectarian hatred whipped up by Salmond. He's still lying to the electorate that negotiations will be conducted in a spirit of friendship. Like hell they will and no English politician will be left in any doubt about how they want any negotiations to be conducted.0
-
Queen perhaps, but non-entity also. The Monarchy has (in principle) some power. It's really hard to see that it has any purpose if it fails to act in something so vitally important as the Union.kle4 said:
I suppose the problem is she will be queen over all the island whichever side wins, so she does not feel it is one of the situations she can intervene these days, as she has to live with both sides afterwards. Simpler if Scotland were going republican.Omnium said:If the Queen can't intervene in Scottish independence what exactly is the point of having her?
I don't think she should intervene, but it seems like precisely the sort of question that we've always thought that the monarchy was all about. Which questions would they step forwards on?
Either she intervenes (one way or another) or I can't see any argument against abolition of the Monarchy.
If Scotland was declaring itself a Republican state would she intervene? Clearly no.
Scottish independence under the Crown is perhaps one of the few cases where she could legitimately express a view.
The Royals increasingly sicken me. (In the background as I type this I hear Harry braying on the TV with a voice that only taxpayer subsidy can enable)
0 -
Those that want James Kelly back; why post here about it? He has his own blog, as you may be aware, you can beg him to come back in the comments there. I'm indifferent whether he comes back or not, but I do tire of reading "oh James Kelly, he was the best, I wish he'd come back" comments here.0
-
Interesting short biography of Alex Salmond and what makes him tick, he seems a loner, focused entirely on the nationalist cause, helped by his older wife to mature, and with little interest in the detail of policy http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093444/Alex-Salmond-Scotlands-saviour-or-a-charlatan.html
Salmond has also said there will be no second referendum0 -
But Boris was responsible for one the truly "great" football tacklesThomasNashe said:
Not sure I've ever heard Boris Johnson do a football commentary, but he just about manages every other category.rcs1000 said:
I think I only score one. Gutted.BlackDouglas said:
Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissistsHugh said:
Good point! So we have-MonikerDiCanio said:
RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....Hugh said:
Good idea.Alanbrooke said:
maybe we need one going the other wayTheuniondivvie said:
Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.
Casual anti-Scottish racism.
Tories.
London.
Feel free to add to the list anyone...
Casual anti-Scottish racism
Tories
London
RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense
Racist and biased football commentators
Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
Anglo-Saxon supremacism
Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
Contrived eccentricity
Whitehall scammers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9F6BDffx40 -
Well the social attitudes are really not very different on either side of the border. I think surveys repeatedly point that out. I do think the Scots are more inclined to back the underdog though.Roger said:I'll miss Scotland being part of the union. I think of it as its heart and social conscience. The antithesis of 'Farageland' which too many other parts of the UK are turning into.
You're too harsh on the English. Don't get that element of the left at all.0 -
I agree that if YES win the negotiations will be for the UK selfish interest, and that's the mood that people will be in.Chris_A said:Personally I will not be glad to see the back of anything. If Scotland votes yes then I'll never set foot in the country again. Was very depressing to be on holiday there last week. Whatever happens 50% of the population will be extremely hacked off such is the nasty, divisive, sectarian hatred whipped up by Salmond. He's still lying to the electorate that negotiations will be conducted in a spirit of friendship. Like hell they will and no English politician will be left in any doubt about how they want any negotiations to be conducted.
Salmond will expolit that, feed on it, and present himself as the best person to stand up to the bullies in these negotiations.
And so on.
Did you see the BBC Scotland debate tonight? The audience was so emotional like a Jerry Springer mob.
The losers will be very depressed whoever they are - because this is not for 5 years its forever.0 -
Yes, I'd forgotten about that: Chopper JohnsonTheScreamingEagles said:
But Boris was responsible for one the truly "great" football tacklesThomasNashe said:
Not sure I've ever heard Boris Johnson do a football commentary, but he just about manages every other category.rcs1000 said:
I think I only score one. Gutted.BlackDouglas said:
Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissistsHugh said:
Good point! So we have-MonikerDiCanio said:
RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....Hugh said:
Good idea.Alanbrooke said:
maybe we need one going the other wayTheuniondivvie said:
Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.
Casual anti-Scottish racism.
Tories.
London.
Feel free to add to the list anyone...
Casual anti-Scottish racism
Tories
London
RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense
Racist and biased football commentators
Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
Anglo-Saxon supremacism
Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
Contrived eccentricity
Whitehall scammers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9F6BDffx40 -
He is indeed but that limit on the number of characters per message doesn't allow him enough scope to do justice to his views. I make no comment on his views but at least he was normally polite on here.foxinsoxuk said:
He is on twitter.Alanbrooke said:
I miss HD2, a true eccentric.rcs1000 said:
I don't think James Kelly is still in jail. Like most people who've gotten banned it will almost certainly have been for a very brief period. (HD2 is the exception here...)Hugh said:
I think they should certainly let James Kelly out of jail (if he wants it).Roger said:alex
"I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"
.....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own
(PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)
Always polite and insightful.
MickPork might be less to people's tastes, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back either.
Just think PB, you can rub their noses in it when Scotland votes no!0 -
Aye, I was muting that earlier today.TheScreamingEagles said:Apologies if this has been posted before, but re that ICM indyref poll, has a pollster ever described their own poll as an outlier?
Martin Boon, the head of ICM Research, said his firm's poll should be seen in the context of a volatile campaign in which results have shifted dramatically.
“Polls can and do go up and down and the fuss an individual poll makes will soon be forgotten when the real result arrives,” he said. “The proper way to analyse this poll is simply to take it as an ‘outlier’ which fits into the overall impression created by all Scottish polls right now: it seems too close to call, and could go either way
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html
Why on earth would a pollster say that?0 -
The tank being more famous and important than Grant's presidency.TheScreamingEagles said:
But Sherman never went on to be President, he just had a type of tank named after him.another_richard said:You can't unless you take up heavy drinking.
Being Sherman would be more fun anyway.
Sherman would likely have become President if he had wanted to.
0 -
Point 4, humour is an extremely subjective thing, as you demonstrate so eloquently*JonnyJimmy said:
So far it's seems to have two points. Point one, to show up humourless lefties*, point two to show that humourless Nats** can't take a dig at Scotland even from a Canadian***Hugh said:Can someone explain to me the point of this cartoon?
*you
** so far TUD & SD
***Marf
*not really.
0 -
How did they annoy the major networks?TheScreamingEagles said:Phones4U have gone into administration, inevitable when none of the major network would be doing any business with them.
0 -
Yes he isn't really someone you want on your side. Perhaps the morale boost might be because he likes to go with the side tat appears to be winning?alex said:
Perhaps they've worked out that Murdoch officially backing the Union is the "Yes" campaigns last hope? Always seemed very unconvincing this idea that they would actually want the support of the Scottish Sun...Howard said:Given that it is the political editor of The Sun that is tweeting about the Big Name and Midnight, it seems likely to be Rupert Murdoch.
I sort of hope it is someone else - but we will soon find out!0 -
I guess he doesn't believe his own poll, which wouldn't be the first time for a pollster.AllyM said:
Aye, I was muting that earlier today.TheScreamingEagles said:Apologies if this has been posted before, but re that ICM indyref poll, has a pollster ever described their own poll as an outlier?
Martin Boon, the head of ICM Research, said his firm's poll should be seen in the context of a volatile campaign in which results have shifted dramatically.
“Polls can and do go up and down and the fuss an individual poll makes will soon be forgotten when the real result arrives,” he said. “The proper way to analyse this poll is simply to take it as an ‘outlier’ which fits into the overall impression created by all Scottish polls right now: it seems too close to call, and could go either way
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html
Why on earth would a pollster say that?
As we often forget, one out of twenty polls by a pollster is an outlier, unlucky for ICM that their last online poll was that outlier, which everyone will judge them against.0 -
"I noticed you name checked me a few times in conversations with others in the last day or so, so thought it was fair game "isam said:FPT @josiasjessop
isam said:
I really don't know, its not much of a choice is it. I guess if I had been tortured Id say anything.
I agreed with @JosiasJessop last night to prevent the torture of his endless pinickity questions so Im not trying to be a brave keyboard warrior!
I wouldn't go anywhere near the middle east personally. Although its probably coming to me soon
You seem rather obsessed with me, mate.
Can I suggest a voluntary pact? I won't respond to your posts, and you won't respond to mine.
It seems the simplest way of ending the 'torture' you feel when you have your views challenged.
-------------------------------------------------------
Not at all obsessed, I noticed you name checked me a few times in conversations with others in the last day or so, so thought it was fair game
(A nice way of saying you started it basically... "Mate")
But your suggestion of never responding to me sounds fantastic, I am bang up for it.
I don't respond to yours anyway unless directly asked a question so no problem there
No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please, I promise I won't do that either
I think you might be wrong with that one. Perhaps I did in the last day or so outside of our conversations, but I cannot recall it. However you have name checked me several times over that period.
"I don't respond to yours anyway unless directly asked a question so no problem there"
I'm calling you a liar on that one. Just last night you jumped into a conversation I was having with PAW. You were not involved in the conversation, and I hadn't asked you a question, yet in a slightly creepy manner you used a post I had made days or weeks earlier to try to prove me wrong. Something you failed in, due to not understanding context.
"No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please"
Like what? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.
I would have sent this as a personal message, but we all know how you will just publish the PM on the main board a few weeks later, out of context, in an attempt to prove some farcical point.
Ho hum. Perhaps this peace pact will not work, but it's worth a try ...0 -
I did. I concur too.Bazowzer said:Anyone else see the BBC debate this evening? Seemed to me a pretty clear victory for the NO side, and in general one of the stronger debates that Better Together have had. Naturally they were helped by the fact that YES was clearly unable to ram this particular studio with its own activists.
0 -
Good points.another_richard said:
The tank being more famous and important than Grant's presidency.TheScreamingEagles said:
But Sherman never went on to be President, he just had a type of tank named after him.another_richard said:You can't unless you take up heavy drinking.
Being Sherman would be more fun anyway.
Sherman would likely have become President if he had wanted to.0 -
Big labour internal rows in Rochdale over candidate for heywood and middleton
Jennifer Williams (@JenWilliamsMEN)
14/09/2014 17:14
Some rank and file councillors considering a walk out from tomorrow's Heywood and Middleton hustings - because no properly local candidates
Jennifer Williams (@JenWilliamsMEN)
14/09/2014 15:49
No Rochdale councillors on there. Several Labour figures have suggested party don't want campaign associated with town hall shenannigans
0 -
Did Scottish politics notice?Carnyx said:
"GEORGE Galloway branded First Minister Alex Salmond and Labour leader Iain Gray "the political equivalent of the Krankies" yesterday as he officially re-entered Scottish politics."0 -
Did you take Isam's tip of 16/1 on Cameron leaving post of PM in 2014? Now 4/1?JonnyJimmy said:Those that want James Kelly back; why post here about it? He has his own blog, as you may be aware, you can beg him to come back in the comments there. I'm indifferent whether he comes back or not, but I do tire of reading "oh James Kelly, he was the best, I wish he'd come back" comments here.
I disagree with Isam about politics, to say the VERY least, but I'm glad he posts here.
James Kelly, similar.0 -
Isn't it obvious? They basically did two polls in the same time period - one phone poll (for the Guardian) and one online. The difference between the two was outside of the margin of error. Since the other one was published first they had no option but to claim that this one was an 'outlier' (it could technically have been the other, but this was a better candidate, being low sample and out of line with other companies' polling). Anything else would have fundamentally undermined the validity of one or other of their polling methods.AllyM said:
Aye, I was muting that earlier today.TheScreamingEagles said:Apologies if this has been posted before, but re that ICM indyref poll, has a pollster ever described their own poll as an outlier?
Martin Boon, the head of ICM Research, said his firm's poll should be seen in the context of a volatile campaign in which results have shifted dramatically.
“Polls can and do go up and down and the fuss an individual poll makes will soon be forgotten when the real result arrives,” he said. “The proper way to analyse this poll is simply to take it as an ‘outlier’ which fits into the overall impression created by all Scottish polls right now: it seems too close to call, and could go either way
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html
Why on earth would a pollster say that?
0 -
How has ELBOW been calculated?
11 polls - Lab leads:
YouGov: 5,6,6,4,3
Populus: 2,4
Ashcroft: 7
MORI: minus 1
Opinium: 8
Survation: 4
Average Lab lead = 4.36 (ie 48/11)0 -
Aye, suppose he felt he had to say something.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess he doesn't believe his own poll, which wouldn't be the first time for a pollster.AllyM said:
Aye, I was muting that earlier today.TheScreamingEagles said:Apologies if this has been posted before, but re that ICM indyref poll, has a pollster ever described their own poll as an outlier?
Martin Boon, the head of ICM Research, said his firm's poll should be seen in the context of a volatile campaign in which results have shifted dramatically.
“Polls can and do go up and down and the fuss an individual poll makes will soon be forgotten when the real result arrives,” he said. “The proper way to analyse this poll is simply to take it as an ‘outlier’ which fits into the overall impression created by all Scottish polls right now: it seems too close to call, and could go either way
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html
Why on earth would a pollster say that?
As we often forget, one out of twenty polls by a pollster is an outlier, unlucky for ICM that their last online poll was that outlier, which everyone will judge them against.0 -
Standard poll on Friday showed over 50% thought ukip talked about the important issues other parties shied away from
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/poll-surge-puts-ukip-in-with-byelection-chance-9728907.html
Jennifer Williams (@JenWilliamsMEN)
14/09/2014 17:58
Still in Heywood, one of the first Ukip leaflets: not scared to use grooming issue as campaign tactic, clearly pic.twitter.com/uX6Ob2qpj80 -
There's a move within the industry, to stop selling via so many third parties.AndyJS said:
How did they annoy the major networks?TheScreamingEagles said:Phones4U have gone into administration, inevitable when none of the major network would be doing any business with them.
Plus, phones4u have a reputation for bad selling practices which damages the network.0 -
Did you leave point 3 clear for me to have another dig at you? That's awfully kind of you, did you get given extra manners during the sense of humour bypass?Theuniondivvie said:
Point 4, humour is an extremely subjective thing, as you demonstrate so eloquently*JonnyJimmy said:
So far it's seems to have two points. Point one, to show up humourless lefties*, point two to show that humourless Nats** can't take a dig at Scotland even from a Canadian***Hugh said:Can someone explain to me the point of this cartoon?
*you
** so far TUD & SD
***Marf
*not really.0 -
Scotland is the place to be for a politician if he wants to be noticed, until Saturday though.Theuniondivvie said:
Did Scottish politics notice?Carnyx said:
"GEORGE Galloway branded First Minister Alex Salmond and Labour leader Iain Gray "the political equivalent of the Krankies" yesterday as he officially re-entered Scottish politics."0 -
Gamechanger.Chris_A said:Personally I will not be glad to see the back of anything. If Scotland votes yes then I'll never set foot in the country again.
0 -
Isn't that potentially defamatory?Carnyx said:The Krankies is of course the nickname for almost any combination of Scottish politicians ad libitum - currently seemingly Ms Lamont and Ms Davidson. But see this from 2011 (not that it worked very well):
"GEORGE Galloway branded First Minister Alex Salmond and Labour leader Iain Gray "the political equivalent of the Krankies" yesterday as he officially re-entered Scottish politics."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/george-galloway-announces-holyrood-bid-with-attack-on-salmond-and-gray-1-1497098
Children’s TV entertainers The Krankies have revealed their sordid past as secret swingers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075996/The-Krankies-admit-secret-swingers-Not-fan-dabi-dozi.html0 -
Thanks! Already got the YouGov!TheScreamingEagles said:
Just the YouGovSunil_Prasannan said:
Thanks TSE! Any other polls this weekend? We count nine including Survation with fieldwork since the 8th.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://t.co/EQRJKDT7XRSunil_Prasannan said:
Ooops, we missed that one for our ELBOW - are there any tables?AndyJS said:Today's Survation/MoS:
Lab 35% (-1)
Con 31% (+4)
UKIP 19% (-3)
LD 8% (+1)
Updated numbers for ELBOW this week, inc. Survation:
Lab 36.0% (+0.1)
Con 31.2% (-1.6)
UKIP 15.9% (+1.2)
LD 7.5% (+0.1)
changes from 17th August (four weeks back):
Lab -0.2
Con -2.0
UKIP +2.6
LD -1.10 -
Did you see the Ipsos-Mori that had the Tories ahead and the Opinium one?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Thanks! Already got the YouGov!TheScreamingEagles said:
Just the YouGovSunil_Prasannan said:
Thanks TSE! Any other polls this weekend? We count nine including Survation with fieldwork since the 8th.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://t.co/EQRJKDT7XRSunil_Prasannan said:
Ooops, we missed that one for our ELBOW - are there any tables?AndyJS said:Today's Survation/MoS:
Lab 35% (-1)
Con 31% (+4)
UKIP 19% (-3)
LD 8% (+1)
Updated numbers for ELBOW this week, inc. Survation:
Lab 36.0% (+0.1)
Con 31.2% (-1.6)
UKIP 15.9% (+1.2)
LD 7.5% (+0.1)
changes from 17th August (four weeks back):
Lab -0.2
Con -2.0
UKIP +2.6
LD -1.10 -
@JosiasJessop
""No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please"
Like what? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.
I would have sent this as a personal message, but we all know how you will just publish the PM on the main board a few weeks later, out of context, in an attempt to prove some farcical point."
Ummm... I don't want to take sides here, but maybe he meant just like the last sentence I quoted..0 -
I thought there were rumours a few days ago that Rupert was going to go for Yes and the Scottish Sun would declare for Yes tomorrow.
I wonder why the change of heart? Is it just that he is now expecting No to win? He normally goes for the winner!0 -
Count almost over in Sweden.
He's the live count and results:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/valaret2014/riksdag/Valresultat/#/area=national
There are good news for everyone.
For the moderates, the left dont have a majority.
For the right, the Swedish Democrats overperformed to become the third largest party.
For everyone, Carl Bildt is out of power.0 -
A good magician NEVER reveals his secrets!MikeL said:How has ELBOW been calculated?
11 polls - Lab leads:
YouGov: 5,6,6,4,3
Populus: 2,4
Ashcroft: 7
MORI: minus 1
Opinium: 8
Survation: 4
Average Lab lead = 4.36 (ie 48/11)
BTW we count only nine polls with fieldwork end-date 8th to 12th,
fieldwork end
Survation 12th September 2014
YouGov 12th September 2014
YouGov 11th September 2014
Populus 11th September 2014
Opinium 11th September 2014
YouGov 10th September 2014
YouGov 9th September 2014
Ipsos-MORI 9th September 2014
YouGov 8th September 20140 -
Perhaps as the fruit of the OGH loins you can let me know what is the PB ban protocol (just in case)? Is one informed when the excommunication is rescinded or is one left to drift in outer darkness?rcs1000 said:
I don't think James Kelly is still in jail. Like most people who've gotten banned it will almost certainly have been for a very brief period. (HD2 is the exception here...)Hugh said:
I think they should certainly let James Kelly out of jail (if he wants it).Roger said:alex
"I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"
.....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own
(PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)
Always polite and insightful.
MickPork might be less to people's tastes, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back either.
Just think PB, you can rub their noses in it when Scotland votes no!0 -
What is the Swedish for "stick it up your erchie"? I assume "swede" is the Swedish for turnip.0
-
Perhaps someone suggested that if you make his banker to make him a call, Rupert might reconsider.MikeL said:I thought there were rumours a few days ago that Rupert was going to go for Yes and the Scottish Sun would declare for Yes tomorrow.
I wonder why the change of heart? Is it just that he is now expecting No to win? He normally goes for the winner!0 -
If I've added up correctly, it looks like the centre-left's lead over the centre-right is going to be about 4 points, which is about half of what most of the recent opinion polls were saying.0
-
Mr. Isam, UKIP just have to keep talking about the things ordinary people think are important. By doing that they can get change regardless of how many MPs they have.isam said:Standard poll on Friday showed over 50% thought ukip talked about the important issues other parties shied away from
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/poll-surge-puts-ukip-in-with-byelection-chance-9728907.html
Jennifer Williams (@JenWilliamsMEN)
14/09/2014 17:58
Still in Heywood, one of the first Ukip leaflets: not scared to use grooming issue as campaign tactic, clearly pic.twitter.com/uX6Ob2qpj80 -
He's probably decided that Yes needed to be ahead in more than two polls by now in order to actually win as opposed to getting very close to winning.MikeL said:I thought there were rumours a few days ago that Rupert was going to go for Yes and the Scottish Sun would declare for Yes tomorrow.
I wonder why the change of heart? Is it just that he is now expecting No to win? He normally goes for the winner!0 -
Ah OK, Populus and Ashcroft are omitted as fieldwork ended on 7th.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A good magician NEVER reveals his secrets!MikeL said:How has ELBOW been calculated?
11 polls - Lab leads:
YouGov: 5,6,6,4,3
Populus: 2,4
Ashcroft: 7
MORI: minus 1
Opinium: 8
Survation: 4
Average Lab lead = 4.36 (ie 48/11)
BTW we count only nine polls with fieldwork end-date 8th to 12th,
fieldwork end
Survation 12th September 2014
YouGov 12th September 2014
YouGov 11th September 2014
Populus 11th September 2014
Opinium 11th September 2014
YouGov 10th September 2014
YouGov 9th September 2014
Ipsos-MORI 9th September 2014
YouGov 8th September 2014
But in that case you need to wait for tomorrow to announce the week's ELBOW - in order to include the Populus and Ashcroft which will be announced tomorrow morning and afternoon - otherwise these will never be included.0 -
Here are my top 10 things we'll be glad to see the back of if Scotland leaves the UK (I won't see the back of them, as barring really bad circumstances, I won't move back -though I do entertain it), but you know what I mean.
1. David Cameron
2. A big bunch of Labour MPs
3. Scottish nationalists -you got your wish, have fun, please don't keep in touch
4. A big portion of this country's misery-sustaining left wing consensus
5. Scottish oil -Yes, really, f***ng keep it. If it really is what's keeping us all afloat, I'd rather see RUK learn to exist on its wits
6. Windfarms everywhere
7. Speed cameras everywhere
8. The EU (with any luck)
9. Scottish MPs being able to vote on English issues
10. Trident (with any luck)
That wasn't too hard, and I could go on, but it's really nothing to what we'll (all) lose. Nothing.0 -
A. You did name check me a couple of times, I'm not wrong on that. Rather petty of me, but it's the only reason I did it backJosiasJessop said:
"I noticed you name checked me a few times in conversations with others in the last day or so, so thought it was fair game "isam said:FPT @josiasjessop
Can I suggest a voluntary pact? I won't respond to your posts, and you won't respond to mine.
It seems the simplest way of ending the 'torture' you feel when you have your views challenged.
-------------------------------------------------------
Not at all obsessed, I noticed you name checked me a few times in conversations with others in the last day or so, so thought it was fair game
(A nice way of saying you started it basically... "Mate")
But your suggestion of never responding to me sounds fantastic, I am bang up for it.
I don't respond to yours anyway unless directly asked a question so no problem there
No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please, I promise I won't do that either
I think you might be wrong with that one. Perhaps I did in the last day or so outside of our conversations, but I cannot recall it. However you have name checked me several times over that period.
"I don't respond to yours anyway unless directly asked a question so no problem there"
I'm calling you a liar on that one. Just last night you jumped into a conversation I was having with PAW. You were not involved in the conversation, and I hadn't asked you a question, yet in a slightly creepy manner you used a post I had made days or weeks earlier to try to prove me wrong. Something you failed in, due to not understanding context.
"No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please"
Like what? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.
I would have sent this as a personal message, but we all know how you will just publish the PM on the main board a few weeks later, out of context, in an attempt to prove some farcical point.
Ho hum. Perhaps this peace pact will not work, but it's worth a try ...
B. you're right I did that last night. Bit ott to use words such as creepy and liar etc, I just noticed you were denying saying something that you had, but fair enough I did butt in
C. I am not referring to anything, just saying that if you don't want to respond to each other it's fine, but sometimes people get round things like that by obvious mentions "without actually mentioning". Not saying you have done this because you haven't, but saying I won't do so and I hope you won't either
D. Ok
No need to be constantly looking for one upmanship. I'm more than happy to never mention you or respond again if you like, let's just stop talking about it and do it. All the best
0 -
So you know what this means?
About 4 hours before the poll is published, one of their columnists is going to casually mention the poll lead in an article.
Opinium Research @OpiniumResearch 51s
Big, FINAL, @OpiniumResearch #indyref YES/NO #indypoll out this Wednesday for the @Telegraph0 -
Does anyone care anymore, apart from his slavering Establishment chums?MikeL said:I thought there were rumours a few days ago that Rupert was going to go for Yes and the Scottish Sun would declare for Yes tomorrow.
I wonder why the change of heart? Is it just that he is now expecting No to win? He normally goes for the winner!
Actually scrap that, whatever he wants, it's always sensible to support the exact opposite.0 -
The great thing about "talking about things" is that you can pick up thousands of votes without ever having to propose/implement any solutions.HurstLlama said:
Mr. Isam, UKIP just have to keep talking about the things ordinary people think are important. By doing that they can get change regardless of how many MPs they have.isam said:Standard poll on Friday showed over 50% thought ukip talked about the important issues other parties shied away from
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/poll-surge-puts-ukip-in-with-byelection-chance-9728907.html
Jennifer Williams (@JenWilliamsMEN)
14/09/2014 17:58
Still in Heywood, one of the first Ukip leaflets: not scared to use grooming issue as campaign tactic, clearly pic.twitter.com/uX6Ob2qpj80 -
Welcome back, Marf!
Great cartoon.0 -
I assume the big name coming out for the Union tonight is obvious?
Nick Robinson.
or
Sir Chris Hoy
or
Princess Anne....
or
Archie from Balamory.0 -
That was hardly passive-aggressive. It is factual, and explains why I have to mention it on this board rather than PM him directly.JonnyJimmy said:@JosiasJessop
""No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please"
Like what? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.
I would have sent this as a personal message, but we all know how you will just publish the PM on the main board a few weeks later, out of context, in an attempt to prove some farcical point."
Ummm... I don't want to take sides here, but maybe he meant just like the last sentence I quoted..
Besides, it is hard to avoid mentioning someone when your post is in reply to theirs. I think he was referring to mentions in other, unrelated, posts ...0 -
The Swedish Democrats sucked up most of the protest vote during the campaign.AndyJS said:If I've added up correctly, it looks like the centre-left's lead over the centre-right is going to be about 4 points, which is about half of what most of the recent opinion polls were saying.
Also, what the heck does a feminist party is doing in Sweden?
Sweden is the last place in the world to need a feminist party, no wonder they got only 3% and got shafted (not in a sexist way) out of parliament.0 -
How could I forget??Freggles said:Luckyguy1983 said:
English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!Stuart_Dickson said:
Mustard.kle4 said:
For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?nigel4england said:
If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine!
Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
FULL ENGLISH BREAKFASTS!
0 -
Great how?Richard_Nabavi said:Welcome back, Marf!
Great cartoon.0 -
Unless he was making pro-independence/pro-union comments, or pro-labour/tory delete as appropriate.Hugh said:
Does anyone care anymore, apart from his slavering Establishment chums?MikeL said:I thought there were rumours a few days ago that Rupert was going to go for Yes and the Scottish Sun would declare for Yes tomorrow.
I wonder why the change of heart? Is it just that he is now expecting No to win? He normally goes for the winner!
Actually scrap that, whatever he wants, it's always sensible to support the exact opposite.
0 -
The mischievous-but-not-necessarily-realistic bit of my brain is thinking that the two by-elections on 9th October 2014 might be like the two which happened on 28th April 1977.
Grimsby: marginal Labour, unexpectedly held
Ashfield: safe Labour, unexpectedly lost to Conservative
What if the Conservative Party managed to hold Clacton (like in Newark) but then UKIP sneaked through to gain Heywood & Middleton instead?
Unlikely. But more exciting than being bludgeoned to death with a cucumber.0 -
Ah yes, I think it's called 'proportional representation'.Stuart_Dickson said:Löfven is from the right of his party. He wants to do a deal with the two liberal parties (Centre + Peoples' Party), but they point blank refuse. So he will have to reply on the communists, the greens and the Swedish Kippers. A recipe for absolute chaos.
0 -
@AndyJS
Also if you look at the results, the only movement is a 7% swing from the Moderates to the Swedish Democrats.
No wonder, the Moderates main campaign point was that Russia is going to invade Sweden any moment now (the Carl Bildt factor), so people laughed at them, they had a really bad campaign so attention shifted to the Swedish Democrats vs the Left.0 -
Can you say Big, FINAL, @OpiniumResearch #indyref YES/NO #indypoll if you've only had one before?TheScreamingEagles said:So you know what this means?
About 4 hours before the poll is published, one of their columnists is going to casually mention the poll lead in an article.
Opinium Research @OpiniumResearch 51s
Big, FINAL, @OpiniumResearch #indyref YES/NO #indypoll out this Wednesday for the @Telegraph0 -
It'd be appalling if the Queen started commenting on current issues. The Monarchy is largely uncontroversial because she doesn't. Other she'll just be another politician.Omnium said:If the Queen can't intervene in Scottish independence what exactly is the point of having her?
I don't think she should intervene, but it seems like precisely the sort of question that we've always thought that the monarchy was all about. Which questions would they step forwards on?
Either she intervenes (one way or another) or I can't see any argument against abolition of the Monarchy.
Reinfeldt will be commenting shortly, but after a massive loss of seats he's thought likely to defer to the Social Democrats to have the first try to form a government. The Social Democrat preference is to split off the small centre parties (who have said no up to now, but...?), but a minority green-left government is also possible. Nobody is speculating on Reinfelt staying on with SD support, and there's a general reluctance to let SD be kingmakers.DoubleCarpet said:Sweden seat proj:
Centre-left 160
Centre-right 142
Sweden Democrats 47
So - SD's kingmakers.
Could Reinfeldt stay as PM with their tacit support? Or will they not oppose Lofven and a SocDem led government...?
0 -
You did say in that sentence that we all knew he'd reveal a private message, do it out of context, and to make a farcical point. If they're all facts, maybe I misread the passive part..JosiasJessop said:
That was hardly passive-aggressive. It is factual, and explains why I have to mention it on this board rather than PM him directly.JonnyJimmy said:@JosiasJessop
""No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please"
Like what? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.
I would have sent this as a personal message, but we all know how you will just publish the PM on the main board a few weeks later, out of context, in an attempt to prove some farcical point."
Ummm... I don't want to take sides here, but maybe he meant just like the last sentence I quoted..
Besides, it is hard to avoid mentioning someone when your post is in reply to theirs. I think he was referring to mentions in other, unrelated, posts ...0 -
Fear not, MikeL! They will be included, we'll just need to update our Excel file and the resulting figures!MikeL said:
Ah OK, Populus and Ashcroft are omitted as fieldwork ended on 7th.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A good magician NEVER reveals his secrets!MikeL said:How has ELBOW been calculated?
11 polls - Lab leads:
YouGov: 5,6,6,4,3
Populus: 2,4
Ashcroft: 7
MORI: minus 1
Opinium: 8
Survation: 4
Average Lab lead = 4.36 (ie 48/11)
BTW we count only nine polls with fieldwork end-date 8th to 12th,
fieldwork end
Survation 12th September 2014
YouGov 12th September 2014
YouGov 11th September 2014
Populus 11th September 2014
Opinium 11th September 2014
YouGov 10th September 2014
YouGov 9th September 2014
Ipsos-MORI 9th September 2014
YouGov 8th September 2014
But in that case you need to wait for tomorrow to announce the week's ELBOW - in order to include the Populus and Ashcroft which will be announced tomorrow morning and afternoon - otherwise these will never be included.
BTW we never use the "headline" party-wise tallies, as we have found that looking at the tables and using the actual samples used and the relevant weighted "total voters" sometimes - rarely - gives figures that are at variance.
Case in point:
YouGov (end-date 10th Sep) had a headline Lab tally of 38%, but looking at the tables revealed it was actually 38.65%!0 -
A. I'm not sure I did. In fact, I've been trying to avoid it for exactly this sort of reason.isam said:
A. You did name check me a couple of times, I'm not wrong on that. Rather petty of me, but it's the only reason I did it back
B. you're right I did that last night. Bit ott to use words such as creepy and liar etc, I just noticed you were denying saying something that you had, but fair enough I did butt in
C. I am not referring to anything, just saying that if you don't want to respond to each other it's fine, but sometimes people get round things like that by obvious mentions "without actually mentioning". Not saying you have done this because you haven't, but saying I won't do so and I hope you won't either
D. Ok
No need to be constantly looking for one upmanship. I'm more than happy to never mention you or respond again if you like, let's just stop talking about it and do it. All the best
B. That terminology's not OTT when you quickly produce posts of mine from times past. I did find it slightly creepy. Besides, you didn't really prove anything; you ignored the context of the earlier posts, which was using a fictitious and non-specific example of immigration. I could have used Indonesian scientists instead, but stuck with something I know a little of.
C. Ah, so it's not something I've done. Fair enough.
D. Cool.0 -
Are you allowed "The English Sausage" ("High Fat Offal Tube") courtesy of Yes MinisterLuckyguy1983 said:
How could I forget??Freggles said:Luckyguy1983 said:
English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!Stuart_Dickson said:
Mustard.kle4 said:
For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?nigel4england said:
If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine!
Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
FULL ENGLISH BREAKFASTS!
0 -
Christ yeah! I'm gonna criss-cross the border all the time just so I can still get haggis and a full English!Luckyguy1983 said:
How could I forget??Freggles said:Luckyguy1983 said:
English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!Stuart_Dickson said:
Mustard.kle4 said:
For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?nigel4england said:
If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine!
Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
FULL ENGLISH BREAKFASTS!
(who eats a British hotel "continental breakfast?" is there anything crapper?)0 -
They're all facts. I'm not sure where you're going with the 'passive' part.JonnyJimmy said:
You did say in that sentence that we all knew he'd reveal a private message, do it out of context, and to make a farcical point. If they're all facts, maybe I misread the passive part..JosiasJessop said:
That was hardly passive-aggressive. It is factual, and explains why I have to mention it on this board rather than PM him directly.JonnyJimmy said:@JosiasJessop
""No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please"
Like what? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.
I would have sent this as a personal message, but we all know how you will just publish the PM on the main board a few weeks later, out of context, in an attempt to prove some farcical point."
Ummm... I don't want to take sides here, but maybe he meant just like the last sentence I quoted..
Besides, it is hard to avoid mentioning someone when your post is in reply to theirs. I think he was referring to mentions in other, unrelated, posts ...
Ho hum. I'm off to bed.0 -
Or perhaps they could elect a monarch every five years, choosing between the descendants of the Queen. Henry the Ninth!weejonnie said:
Didn't Charles go to Gordonstoun?alex said:The Queen should announce that if Scotland votes yes, then she will promote it above Wales as the training ground for the first son and heir of the UK monarch.
0 -
At the time it was a decision of the Council of Nicea which represented the collective view of all Christians at the time. There's a reasonable case for allowing the main groups in a given faith to determine who belongs to that faith and who doesn't.Life_ina_market_town said:FPT
And just who has the authority to declare someone a heretic, and therefore not a Christian? The pope of Rome, some apostate Anglican archbishop or even the state? It is certainly arguable, on the basis of tradition, that your own Anglican sect is nothing more than a heretical bunch of schismatics intent on corrupting the one true apostolic Catholic faith. Indeed, the late Runcie, like Stephen Gardiner before him, devoted much of his time in office to healing the so-called Anglo-Roman schism.Charles said:Arian are heretics, not Christians. The fact that someone claims to be something doesn't make it true
0 -
I'd say it's more a British Banger! Though the Scots do have these square sausages which just aren't nice.weejonnie said:
Are you allowed "The English Sausage" ("High Fat Offal Tube") courtesy of Yes MinisterLuckyguy1983 said:
How could I forget??Freggles said:Luckyguy1983 said:
English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!Stuart_Dickson said:
Mustard.kle4 said:
For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?nigel4england said:
If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine!
Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
FULL ENGLISH BREAKFASTS!0 -
Compared to the contribution Hugh makes here?Hugh said:
Great how?Richard_Nabavi said:Welcome back, Marf!
Great cartoon.0 -
Who is "we"?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Fear not, MikeL! They will be included, we'll just need to update our Excel file and the resulting figures!MikeL said:
Ah OK, Populus and Ashcroft are omitted as fieldwork ended on 7th.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A good magician NEVER reveals his secrets!MikeL said:How has ELBOW been calculated?
11 polls - Lab leads:
YouGov: 5,6,6,4,3
Populus: 2,4
Ashcroft: 7
MORI: minus 1
Opinium: 8
Survation: 4
Average Lab lead = 4.36 (ie 48/11)
BTW we count only nine polls with fieldwork end-date 8th to 12th,
fieldwork end
Survation 12th September 2014
YouGov 12th September 2014
YouGov 11th September 2014
Populus 11th September 2014
Opinium 11th September 2014
YouGov 10th September 2014
YouGov 9th September 2014
Ipsos-MORI 9th September 2014
YouGov 8th September 2014
But in that case you need to wait for tomorrow to announce the week's ELBOW - in order to include the Populus and Ashcroft which will be announced tomorrow morning and afternoon - otherwise these will never be included.
Are you a collective, like the Borg??
0 -
IIRC, you're a atheist, aren't you? (It may be @RichardT)Socrates said:Charles speaking a lot of crap about heresy and Christianity on the previous thread. Just because you had a Roman Emperor on your side doesn't make your side right.
But as far as I'm concerned, it's up to the main recognised Christian faiths to decide whether they view another group as being part of the same faith as them0 -
I think the pollsters are getting even more excited by the indyref than we are.Theuniondivvie said:
Can you say Big, FINAL, @OpiniumResearch #indyref YES/NO #indypoll if you've only had one before?TheScreamingEagles said:So you know what this means?
About 4 hours before the poll is published, one of their columnists is going to casually mention the poll lead in an article.
Opinium Research @OpiniumResearch 51s
Big, FINAL, @OpiniumResearch #indyref YES/NO #indypoll out this Wednesday for the @Telegraph0 -
Reinfeldt confirms that he'll resign tomorrow.0
-
You quoted 1 out of 107 questions and responses.Luckyguy1983 said:
There's the Westminster Catechism:kle4 said:@ Charles - Arian are heretics, not Christians. The fact that someone claims to be something doesn't make it true
They were Christians up until the point a rival doctrine declared them not to be so. Just because someone claims someone else is not something does not make it true either, there is no single authority on what makes someone a christian, and if modern christianity has evolved considerably from its earliest beginnings, when it appears there was considerable disagreement on some fundamental questions, what makes one a heretic today might not have then and might not in the future, hence all the many 'back to the basics' movements through history which reject the churches of their time for what they think is the intended 'pure' and 'true' faith which has been lost.
There are many things about some modern christian denominations which would have not been acceptable hundreds or thousands of years ago. That's why someone's self identification of christianity makes more sense to me than the reverse (they may well not be 'mainstream' however), because the cut off point of what makes a true christian, however divergent from one denomination to another, can always be shifted, from nicenean to chalcedonian and so on and so on.
https://www.ccel.org/creeds/westminster-shorter-cat.html
'God is a Spirit, infinite, eternal, and unchangeable, in his being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness, and truth.'
Can you give any examples of substance where modern Christian denominations have moved away from this? In belief, not method of demonstrating or exercising that belief.
For instance, Q6 would exclude the Arians.0 -
One of the difficulties of opinion polling in the Scottish referendum arises from postal votes. Asking someone who has voted how they intend to vote on Thursday is clearly an absurdity. Nor can polls of how people have voted be published before 10 o'clock on Thursday. Does anyone know how the polling companies have dealt with this issue, or whether they are simply ignoring it?0
-
And who determines which ones are 'main' enough to decide that? Is it judged by number of adherents? Restorationists are not permitted to seek an early time and still be within the umbrella of the same faith, despite earlier denominations making their own changes as they wanted? Interesting distinctions at play, but then without such things we would not have so many denominations within single faiths of course.Charles said:
IIRC, you're a atheist, aren't you? (It may be @RichardT)Socrates said:Charles speaking a lot of crap about heresy and Christianity on the previous thread. Just because you had a Roman Emperor on your side doesn't make your side right.
But as far as I'm concerned, it's up to the main recognised Christian faiths to decide whether they view another group as being part of the same faith as them
0 -
That's like saying someone wasn't a Marxist because they, or their doctrines were condemned by Comintern. Plainly absurd.Charles said:At the time it was a decision of the Council of Nicea which represented the collective view of all Christians at the time. There's a reasonable case for allowing the main groups in a given faith to determine who belongs to that faith and who doesn't.
0 -
I didn't know Isam would reveal a private message and he doesn't always make out of context and/or farcical points. That's them "facts" dealt with.JosiasJessop said:
They're all facts. I'm not sure where you're going with the 'passive' part.JonnyJimmy said:
You did say in that sentence that we all knew he'd reveal a private message, do it out of context, and to make a farcical point. If they're all facts, maybe I misread the passive part..JosiasJessop said:
That was hardly passive-aggressive. It is factual, and explains why I have to mention it on this board rather than PM him directly.JonnyJimmy said:@JosiasJessop
""No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please"
Like what? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.
I would have sent this as a personal message, but we all know how you will just publish the PM on the main board a few weeks later, out of context, in an attempt to prove some farcical point."
Ummm... I don't want to take sides here, but maybe he meant just like the last sentence I quoted..
Besides, it is hard to avoid mentioning someone when your post is in reply to theirs. I think he was referring to mentions in other, unrelated, posts ...
Ho hum. I'm off to bed.
On the "passive" part, if you take it away from passive-aggressive you're left with ........? You normally post stuff I agree with, and I wanted Isam to answer your questions - I'd love to know what Ukippers would have as their red lines on immigration. But that line seemed, to me at least, quite unnecessarily rude.0 -
Alec Salmond.Scrapheap_as_was said:I assume the big name coming out for the Union tonight is obvious?
Nick Robinson.
or
Sir Chris Hoy
or
Princess Anne....
or
Archie from Balamory.0 -
Reinfeldt has added that he's resigning as party leader and expects that they will be in opposition for the next 4 years. He gave a hat-tip to Cameron (and Obama) as people he'd enjoyed working with. He didn't (so far as I noticed) comment on what the centre parties ought to do.0
-
Very true, Mr. Alex, but it does have a direct benefit for the ordinary punters - it gets what they are worried about on the the agenda of the great ad and the good. The solutions may come later, but if they don't then the party that was raising the issues is going to get the votes and perhaps its own chance to come up with solutions.alex said:
The great thing about "talking about things" is that you can pick up thousands of votes without ever having to propose/implement any solutions.HurstLlama said:
Mr. Isam, UKIP just have to keep talking about the things ordinary people think are important. By doing that they can get change regardless of how many MPs they have.isam said:Standard poll on Friday showed over 50% thought ukip talked about the important issues other parties shied away from
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/poll-surge-puts-ukip-in-with-byelection-chance-9728907.html
Jennifer Williams (@JenWilliamsMEN)
14/09/2014 17:58
Still in Heywood, one of the first Ukip leaflets: not scared to use grooming issue as campaign tactic, clearly pic.twitter.com/uX6Ob2qpj8
I know listening to people and giving them a voice is never going to catch on with the, current, major parties but that that is no reason not to do it.0 -
Why on earth is John Bickley getting it in the neck from the Guardian and from Labour? His comments seem perfectly reasonable:
Bickley is quoted in the leaflet as saying that his father was a Labour trade unionist and worked hard to give his family a good start in life.
"The Labour party of today would be unrecognisable to him," Bickley wrote. "They have betrayed ordinary working people through their love affair with immigration, political correctness and multi-culturalism.
"Labour's betrayal is no more apparent than with the young white working-class girls of Rotherham and Rochdale where rather than upset immigrant communities, years of abuse were ignored and complaints swept under the carpet.
"Meanwhile, the Tories have stood idly by as immigration has driven wages down, created housing shortages and made the life of ordinary people tougher every day."
Naturally, I wouldn't agree with the last of those points, but he hasn't said anything unpleasant, incendiary or objectionable there, they are all reasonable political opinions.
He also comes over as very reasonable in this interview from a local paper:
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/91328/john-bickley-ukip-candidate-for-heywood-and-middleton-byelection-vows-to-represent-the-people
0 -
Creme AnglaisStuart_Dickson said:
Mustard.kle4 said:
For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?nigel4england said:
If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!No_Offence_Alan said:I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru
EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine!
Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.0 -
Surely Sir Awex - just as the campaign goes into Fergie time...0
-
You'll go blind, John.JohnLoony said:
What if the Conservative Party managed to hold Clacton (like in Newark) but then UKIP sneaked through to gain Heywood & Middleton instead?
Unlikely. But more exciting than being bludgeoned to death with a cucumber.0
