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  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Can someone explain to me the point of this cartoon?
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    edited September 2014
    OFFICIAL SVT PROGNOSIS (with 3708 out of 5837 districts counted)

    RED-GREENS 43.8%

    CENTRE-RIGHT 39.0%

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 13.1%

    *** CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT ***

    From Centre-right Minority to Red-Green Minority.
  • Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    SWEDEN: with 494 out of 5837 districts counted:

    RED-GREENS
    Left 5,1
    Social Democrats 31.8
    Greens 5.7
    (Feminist Initiative 2.4 UNDER 4% threshold)

    CENTRE-RIGHT (PM Fredrik Reinfeldt)
    Centre 8.6
    Peoples' Party 4.4
    Christian Democrats 5,0
    Moderates 20.6

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 15.5

    Others 0.9

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP)?
    The Swedish Democrats were formed by Nazis weren't they? Hardly UKIP.
    So why are UKIP their new best chums?
    because the SNP are allied with Sinn Fein ?
    Is that true? Are the SNP really in the same grouping as SF?
    No, it is not true.

    Sinn Fein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left–Nordic_Green_Left

    SNP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens–European_Free_Alliance
    Hey it's a staight forward lie, but why should that upset you ?

    Here's the OO organising their latest KKK lodge

    http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2005/1643.html
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, only to find out what washing powder they use to get their outfits to brilliantly white and clean.
    best ask Stuart he's the man with the inside track.
    Really?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited September 2014
    FPT @josiasjessop

    isam said:


    I really don't know, its not much of a choice is it. I guess if I had been tortured Id say anything.

    I agreed with @JosiasJessop last night to prevent the torture of his endless pinickity questions so Im not trying to be a brave keyboard warrior!

    I wouldn't go anywhere near the middle east personally. Although its probably coming to me soon

    You seem rather obsessed with me, mate.

    Can I suggest a voluntary pact? I won't respond to your posts, and you won't respond to mine.

    It seems the simplest way of ending the 'torture' you feel when you have your views challenged.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Not at all obsessed, I noticed you name checked me a few times in conversations with others in the last day or so, so thought it was fair game

    (A nice way of saying you started it basically... "Mate")

    But your suggestion of never responding to me sounds fantastic, I am bang up for it.

    I don't respond to yours anyway unless directly asked a question so no problem there

    No indirect passive aggressive mentions either please, I promise I won't do that either

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    SWEDEN: with 494 out of 5837 districts counted:

    RED-GREENS
    Left 5,1
    Social Democrats 31.8
    Greens 5.7
    (Feminist Initiative 2.4 UNDER 4% threshold)

    CENTRE-RIGHT (PM Fredrik Reinfeldt)
    Centre 8.6
    Peoples' Party 4.4
    Christian Democrats 5,0
    Moderates 20.6

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 15.5

    Others 0.9

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP)?
    The Swedish Democrats were formed by Nazis weren't they? Hardly UKIP.
    So why are UKIP their new best chums?
    Because the Tories nicked all their other allies and the EU has rules to screw them out of funding otherwise?
    Ah, UKIP prioritising money over principles like all the other parties. How sad.
    If a party is Non-Inscrit, it has much more limited speaking rights, and rights to sit on Committees, in the EU Parliament, than if it belongs to a group.

    At least UKIP don't caucus with Fianna Fail.
  • I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
  • Mona Sahlin, the defeated Social Democrat leader from the GE in 2010 is absolutely gutted!! Note: her party has just "won".

  • alexalex Posts: 244
    kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Breakfast

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MikeK said:

    Telegraph News ‏@TelegraphNews 8m
    Britain to curb Muslim Brotherhood operations in London http://tgr.ph/1qW7PWj

    So someone in Britain is at last waking up to the threat from the so called more moderate muslims. Lets see if this not another round of just talk, while the country is gently subverted from within.

    Yay. Great to see the UK bow down before pressure from the likes of the KSA.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
  • MikeK said:

    Trash Apparently ‏@a_Londoner 1h
    UKIP MEP under police protection because she spoke out against @UKLabour’s protection of ppl linked to child abuse.
    http://bit.ly/1oLygsK

    She is 100% right, about time someone threw the book at Labour over this
    Well it doesn't seem likely that Cameron and May are going to.

    But then they don't seem concerned that a police force collaberated with child rapists.
  • I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    Imagine if the cartoon was written from the perspective of the other "we". They'd all be going bananas by now.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Gentle reminder if needed, I'm really interested in your source re Mr Salmond and Kristallnacht please - it is something I obviously missed.

  • Am I the only person who finds the ending of the cricket season always very melancholic ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    alex said:

    kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Breakfast

    They'll do fine. Last time I was in Scotland the breakfast was the usual English one, but with potato scones, which I thought a fine variation on the theme.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited September 2014
    The kind of stereotypes portrayed in the cartoon need to be ok for everyone or not ok for anyone.

    It's the essex jokes double standard. I'm fine with them, though I could make a case for them insulting my whole family if I wanted to be a bleeding heart. But people that give it have to take it or do one

  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
  • AndyJS said:

    Today's Survation/MoS:

    Lab 35% (-1)
    Con 31% (+4)
    UKIP 19% (-3)
    LD 8% (+1)

    Ooops, we missed that one for our ELBOW - are there any tables?
  • kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited September 2014

    Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    SWEDEN: with 494 out of 5837 districts counted:

    RED-GREENS
    Left 5,1
    Social Democrats 31.8
    Greens 5.7
    (Feminist Initiative 2.4 UNDER 4% threshold)

    CENTRE-RIGHT (PM Fredrik Reinfeldt)
    Centre 8.6
    Peoples' Party 4.4
    Christian Democrats 5,0
    Moderates 20.6

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 15.5

    Others 0.9

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP)?
    The Swedish Democrats were formed by Nazis weren't they? Hardly UKIP.
    So why are UKIP their new best chums?
    because the SNP are allied with Sinn Fein ?
    Is that true? Are the SNP really in the same grouping as SF?
    No, it is not true.

    Sinn Fein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left–Nordic_Green_Left

    SNP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens–European_Free_Alliance
    Hey it's a staight forward lie, but why should that upset you ?

    Here's the OO organising their latest KKK lodge

    http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2005/1643.html
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, only to find out what washing powder they use to get their outfits to brilliantly white and clean.
    best ask Stuart he's the man with the inside track.
    Really?
    Of course, Stuart likes funny handshakes, hence a new border would be known as the Mason-Dickson line . Naturally we're the Union.
  • MikeK said:

    Trash Apparently ‏@a_Londoner 1h
    UKIP MEP under police protection because she spoke out against @UKLabour’s protection of ppl linked to child abuse.
    http://bit.ly/1oLygsK

    She is 100% right, about time someone threw the book at Labour over this
    Well it doesn't seem likely that Cameron and May are going to.

    But then they don't seem concerned that a police force collaberated with child rapists.
    Yep, totally agree.

    There is a massive cover up going on, the Tories have an open goal to stick it to Labour and they have resisted. The whole thing is a total disgrace and has almost been forgotten, but I think this whole business will come back to bite the establishment
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    edited September 2014

    kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    Muffins

  • Am I the only person who finds the ending of the cricket season always very melancholic ?

    No, but Yorkshire winning the title and possibly Lancashire getting relegated in the same season should rid you of any melancholia.
  • AndyJS said:

    Today's Survation/MoS:

    Lab 35% (-1)
    Con 31% (+4)
    UKIP 19% (-3)
    LD 8% (+1)

    Ooops, we missed that one for our ELBOW - are there any tables?
    http://t.co/EQRJKDT7XR
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Carnyx said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Gentle reminder if needed, I'm really interested in your source re Mr Salmond and Kristallnacht please - it is something I obviously missed.

    I made it up, what do you think ?

    I'm modelling my posts on Swinneynomics.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Charles said:

    Toms said:

    You're on song there Marf. However, I'm told that deep fried Mars bars are irresistible. Must try one, gluten free. DIY that's quite feasible.

    Melted Tolberone poured over vanilla ice cream is far tastier and more decadent
    Oh, dear God. What a splendid recipe. So obvious when someone points it out. Thank you, Mr. Charles, I shall give that to Herself tomorrow evening. I expect you will hear her purring all the way up there in London.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited September 2014
    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Hugh said:

    Can someone explain to me the point of this cartoon?

    So far it's seems to have two points. Point one, to show up humourless lefties*, point two to show that humourless Nats** can't take a dig at Scotland even from a Canadian***

    *you
    ** so far TUD & SD
    ***Marf
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    SWEDEN: with 494 out of 5837 districts counted:

    RED-GREENS
    Left 5,1
    Social Democrats 31.8
    Greens 5.7
    (Feminist Initiative 2.4 UNDER 4% threshold)

    CENTRE-RIGHT (PM Fredrik Reinfeldt)
    Centre 8.6
    Peoples' Party 4.4
    Christian Democrats 5,0
    Moderates 20.6

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 15.5

    Others 0.9

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP)?
    The Swedish Democrats were formed by Nazis weren't they? Hardly UKIP.
    So why are UKIP their new best chums?
    because the SNP are allied with Sinn Fein ?
    Is that true? Are the SNP really in the same grouping as SF?
    No, it is not true.

    Sinn Fein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left–Nordic_Green_Left

    SNP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens–European_Free_Alliance
    Hey it's a staight forward lie, but why should that upset you ?

    Here's the OO organising their latest KKK lodge

    http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2005/1643.html
    Those guys need to keep their pointy hats on, or someone may create a little trouble...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    SD Lofven will have to take a more anti EU anti immigration line to win over SD support, and if he takes a more Eurosceptic line than Reinfeldt as a result that could actually help Cameron
  • Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    SWEDEN: with 494 out of 5837 districts counted:

    RED-GREENS
    Left 5,1
    Social Democrats 31.8
    Greens 5.7
    (Feminist Initiative 2.4 UNDER 4% threshold)

    CENTRE-RIGHT (PM Fredrik Reinfeldt)
    Centre 8.6
    Peoples' Party 4.4
    Christian Democrats 5,0
    Moderates 20.6

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 15.5

    Others 0.9

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP)?
    The Swedish Democrats were formed by Nazis weren't they? Hardly UKIP.
    So why are UKIP their new best chums?
    because the SNP are allied with Sinn Fein ?
    Is that true? Are the SNP really in the same grouping as SF?
    No, it is not true.

    Sinn Fein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left–Nordic_Green_Left

    SNP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens–European_Free_Alliance
    Hey it's a staight forward lie, but why should that upset you ?

    Here's the OO organising their latest KKK lodge

    http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2005/1643.html
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, only to find out what washing powder they use to get their outfits to brilliantly white and clean.
    best ask Stuart he's the man with the inside track.
    Really?
    Of course, Stuart likes funny handshakes, hence a new border would be known as the Mason-Dickson line . Naturally we're the Union.
    Obviously I'm missing something here.

    I wanna be Ulysses S. Grant
  • kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix9OP1i9UN8
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,Clydesdale.....
    LOL
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    I hate to break it to you, but you won't be seeing the back of the Tories. Perhaps you meant, 'Tories in power', although if the Scots Parliament is anything to go by, you will have more of them than Scots MPs at any rate.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    edited September 2014
    I'll miss Scotland being part of the union. I think of it as its heart and social conscience. The antithesis of 'Farageland' which too many other parts of the UK are turning into.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Gentle reminder if needed, I'm really interested in your source re Mr Salmond and Kristallnacht please - it is something I obviously missed.

    I made it up, what do you think ?

    I'm modelling my posts on Swinneynomics.
    Thank you. I did wonder just a wee bit, but I'm too nice to say so out loud.

    Rather like the street violence and trashed blocks of flats, it's one of those things that happen in the PB alternative universe but not in the newspapers.

    Mind you, there's apparently an interesting pair of alternative realities around today on the initial period of iScotland. Tom Devine in the Sunday Herald and Andrew Roberts in, I seem to recall, the Telegraph or Times (but have not read the latter).

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Hugh said:

    Can someone explain to me the point of this cartoon?

    So far it's seems to have two points. Point one, to show up humourless lefties*, point two to show that humourless Nats** can't take a dig at Scotland even from a Canadian***

    *you
    ** so far you, TUD & SD
    ***Marf
    Sorry @Hugh I didn't realise that you were both kinds of humourless
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail? The constant insults might start to be missed, and he does such a good job for the Unionist cause.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Trying to limit the definition of Christianity by specific doctrines rather than following Jesus is just the old 'no true Scotsman' method of excluding anyone you don't want in your gang.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    edited September 2014

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....
    Good point! So we have-

    Casual anti-Scottish racism
    Tories
    London
    RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense

  • Gordon Brown caught telling porkies. Again.

    'We will block more powers warns Tory MP'

    Christopher Chope has told the BBC that there are enough back bench Conservative MPs in Parliament who are against more powers going to Scotland in the event of a No vote and who would vote against such a move.

    Chope was discussing more powers on BBC Radio 4 when he was asked if he accepted that Westminster had now lost the power to veto further devolution as outlined by Gordon Brown this week. The MP replied: "No, I don't accept anything has been lost. If there is a No vote then it will be the status quo".

    Challenged by the presenter that it would not be no change, Chope replied: "It will be, because we can't change the constitution without the approval of the United Kingdom Parliament and that seems to have been lost in this debate."

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9736-we-will-block-more-powers-warns-tory-mp
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited September 2014
    I've sometimes thought with stereotyping you need to go big and absurd, so it is clear that unless one is an abhorrent racist, it is obviously not sincere. Too subtle and some people will think it is serious.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    Primrose Hill intellectuals...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Gentle reminder if needed, I'm really interested in your source re Mr Salmond and Kristallnacht please - it is something I obviously missed.

    I made it up, what do you think ?

    I'm modelling my posts on Swinneynomics.
    Thank you. I did wonder just a wee bit, but I'm too nice to say so out loud.

    Rather like the street violence and trashed blocks of flats, it's one of those things that happen in the PB alternative universe but not in the newspapers.

    Mind you, there's apparently an interesting pair of alternative realities around today on the initial period of iScotland. Tom Devine in the Sunday Herald and Andrew Roberts in, I seem to recall, the Telegraph or Times (but have not read the latter).

    It matters not, it's a NO the Sunday Post have spoken.
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    I never got over "Salt'n'sauce" instead of "salt'n'vinegar" in chippys in Edinburgh. Initially I had to have three or four goes at decoding "salltoonsooz?".
    As a Northern Scot, nor do I.

    A mystery 'salt n sauce' is.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Survation/MoS:

    Lab 35% (-1)
    Con 31% (+4)
    UKIP 19% (-3)
    LD 8% (+1)

    Ooops, we missed that one for our ELBOW - are there any tables?
    http://survation.com/labour-lead-at-4-points-survationmail-on-sunday/
  • Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    Primrose Hill intellectuals...
    Is that directed at EdM, seanT, or both of them?
  • kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    Had you considered that the "we" might just be Marf and Ratty?
  • Anyone else see the BBC debate this evening? Seemed to me a pretty clear victory for the NO side, and in general one of the stronger debates that Better Together have had. Naturally they were helped by the fact that YES was clearly unable to ram this particular studio with its own activists.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    Primrose Hill intellectuals...
    Is that directed at EdM, seanT, or both of them?
    I don't think SeanT is an intellectual, more an emotional incontinent.
  • Apologies if this has been posted before, but re that ICM indyref poll, has a pollster ever described their own poll as an outlier?

    Martin Boon, the head of ICM Research, said his firm's poll should be seen in the context of a volatile campaign in which results have shifted dramatically.

    “Polls can and do go up and down and the fuss an individual poll makes will soon be forgotten when the real result arrives,” he said. “The proper way to analyse this poll is simply to take it as an ‘outlier’ which fits into the overall impression created by all Scottish polls right now: it seems too close to call, and could go either way

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Gordon Brown caught telling porkies. Again.

    'We will block more powers warns Tory MP'

    Christopher Chope has told the BBC that there are enough back bench Conservative MPs in Parliament who are against more powers going to Scotland in the event of a No vote and who would vote against such a move.

    Chope was discussing more powers on BBC Radio 4 when he was asked if he accepted that Westminster had now lost the power to veto further devolution as outlined by Gordon Brown this week. The MP replied: "No, I don't accept anything has been lost. If there is a No vote then it will be the status quo".

    Challenged by the presenter that it would not be no change, Chope replied: "It will be, because we can't change the constitution without the approval of the United Kingdom Parliament and that seems to have been lost in this debate."

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9736-we-will-block-more-powers-warns-tory-mp

    That doesn't necessarily mean Brown was wrong. If, and it is a big if, Labour and the Tory leadership, and even the LDs, can reach a consensus, then it doesn't matter how many backbench Tories are against it.
  • Re Heywood and Middleton labour selection

    Danczuk is supporting Liz McInness
  • Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    SWEDEN: with 494 out of 5837 districts counted:

    RED-GREENS
    Left 5,1
    Social Democrats 31.8
    Greens 5.7
    (Feminist Initiative 2.4 UNDER 4% threshold)

    CENTRE-RIGHT (PM Fredrik Reinfeldt)
    Centre 8.6
    Peoples' Party 4.4
    Christian Democrats 5,0
    Moderates 20.6

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 15.5

    Others 0.9

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP)?
    The Swedish Democrats were formed by Nazis weren't they? Hardly UKIP.
    So why are UKIP their new best chums?
    because the SNP are allied with Sinn Fein ?
    Is that true? Are the SNP really in the same grouping as SF?
    No, it is not true.

    Sinn Fein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left–Nordic_Green_Left

    SNP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens–European_Free_Alliance
    Hey it's a staight forward lie, but why should that upset you ?

    Here's the OO organising their latest KKK lodge

    http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2005/1643.html
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, only to find out what washing powder they use to get their outfits to brilliantly white and clean.
    best ask Stuart he's the man with the inside track.
    Really?
    Of course, Stuart likes funny handshakes, hence a new border would be known as the Mason-Dickson line . Naturally we're the Union.
    Obviously I'm missing something here.

    I wanna be Ulysses S. Grant
    You can't unless you take up heavy drinking.

    Being Sherman would be more fun anyway.
  • Bazowzer said:

    Anyone else see the BBC debate this evening? Seemed to me a pretty clear victory for the NO side, and in general one of the stronger debates that Better Together have had. Naturally they were helped by the fact that YES was clearly unable to ram this particular studio with its own activists.

    Maybe I should try again. I found it a very bear-pit atmosphere, with the YES audience thinking that the louder they clap the more votes they will get. (Perhaps the NO audience was like that too-I didn't stay tuned to see).
  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    Had you considered that the "we" might just be Marf and Ratty?
    Will an independent Scotland not have Auld Firm matches any more then?

  • kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!

    Zuppa Inglese,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuppa_Inglese
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    alex

    "I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"

    .....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own

    (PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!


    FULL ENGLISH BREAKFASTS!

  • Am I the only person who finds the ending of the cricket season always very melancholic ?

    No, but Yorkshire winning the title and possibly Lancashire getting relegated in the same season should rid you of any melancholia.
    I have a framed print of the scorecard of the game against Glamorgan which sealed the 2001 title.

    I'll have to see if I can get one of the Notts match this year.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    Primrose Hill intellectuals...
    Is that directed at EdM, seanT, or both of them?
    I don't think SeanT is an intellectual, more an emotional incontinent.
    And a saucer of milk for the good doctor. Meaowwww!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    The Krankies is of course the nickname for almost any combination of Scottish politicians ad libitum - currently seemingly Ms Lamont and Ms Davidson. But see this from 2011 (not that it worked very well):

    "GEORGE Galloway branded First Minister Alex Salmond and Labour leader Iain Gray "the political equivalent of the Krankies" yesterday as he officially re-entered Scottish politics."

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/george-galloway-announces-holyrood-bid-with-attack-on-salmond-and-gray-1-1497098
  • HowardHoward Posts: 97
    edited September 2014

    Gordon Brown caught telling porkies. Again.

    'We will block more powers warns Tory MP'

    Christopher Chope has told the BBC that there are enough back bench Conservative MPs in Parliament who are against more powers going to Scotland in the event of a No vote and who would vote against such a move.

    Chope was discussing more powers on BBC Radio 4 when he was asked if he accepted that Westminster had now lost the power to veto further devolution as outlined by Gordon Brown this week. The MP replied: "No, I don't accept anything has been lost. If there is a No vote then it will be the status quo".

    Challenged by the presenter that it would not be no change, Chope replied: "It will be, because we can't change the constitution without the approval of the United Kingdom Parliament and that seems to have been lost in this debate."

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9736-we-will-block-more-powers-warns-tory-mp

    Tory MPs haven't won a majority in Westminster since the election of 1992. So not likely to be in a position to do that.
  • Lovely cartoon, Marf! You have been missed!

    BTW, for those wot missed it, this week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) - eight polls with fieldwork 8th to 12th Sep:

    Lab 36.1% (+0.2)
    Con 31.2% (-1.6)
    UKIP 15.6% (+1.0)

    LD 7.4% (+0.0)

    (changes from last week's ELBOW in brackets)

    changes from the very first ELBOW from 4 weeks ago (17th August 2014):

    Lab -0.1%
    Con -1.9%
    UKIP +2.3%

    LD -1.2%

    Accepting the correlation between the Labour lead and inverted Yes vote would predict No 52.45%,Yes 47.55%.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Apologies if this has been posted before, but re that ICM indyref poll, has a pollster ever described their own poll as an outlier?

    Martin Boon, the head of ICM Research, said his firm's poll should be seen in the context of a volatile campaign in which results have shifted dramatically.

    “Polls can and do go up and down and the fuss an individual poll makes will soon be forgotten when the real result arrives,” he said. “The proper way to analyse this poll is simply to take it as an ‘outlier’ which fits into the overall impression created by all Scottish polls right now: it seems too close to call, and could go either way

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html

    I think he said the same about their euro polls on the Daily politics
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    New UKPR polling average sees Tories drop a point and the Greens gain one:

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/uk-polling-report-average-2
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited September 2014

    kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!

    A lot of english dishes are named after towns or regions same as any other european country

    Cumberland sausages, Eton Mess, Worcester Sauce, Lancashire Hotpot, Cornish pasty etc.
  • Roger said:

    I'll miss Scotland being part of the union. I think of it as its heart and social conscience. The antithesis of 'Farageland' which too many other parts of the UK are turning into.

    Are you conceding defeat already Roger? Tis only Sunday.
  • You can't unless you take up heavy drinking.

    Being Sherman would be more fun anyway.

    But Sherman never went on to be President, he just had a type of tank named after him.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Roger said:

    alex

    "I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"

    .....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own

    (PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)

    I think they should certainly let James Kelly out of jail (if he wants it).

    Always polite and insightful.

    MickPork might be less to people's tastes, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back either.

    Just think PB, you can rub their noses in it when Scotland votes no!
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Any rumours re this 'big name' coming out for the union later?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    Primrose Hill intellectuals...
    Is that directed at EdM, seanT, or both of them?
    I don't think SeanT is an intellectual, more an emotional incontinent.
    And a saucer of milk for the good doctor. Meaowwww!
    To be Fair he has said far worse of me!

  • kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!

    kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!

    Whether it's crème anglais or crème brulee, it's delicious, though even it has to yield to cranachan - which is quite simply food for the gods - and in itself reason enough for the preservation of the union.
  • Sweden seat proj:

    Centre-left 160

    Centre-right 142

    Sweden Democrats 47

    So - SD's kingmakers.

    Could Reinfeldt stay as PM with their tacit support? Or will they not oppose Lofven and a SocDem led government...?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    SWEDEN: with 494 out of 5837 districts counted:

    RED-GREENS
    Left 5,1
    Social Democrats 31.8
    Greens 5.7
    (Feminist Initiative 2.4 UNDER 4% threshold)

    CENTRE-RIGHT (PM Fredrik Reinfeldt)
    Centre 8.6
    Peoples' Party 4.4
    Christian Democrats 5,0
    Moderates 20.6

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP) 15.5

    Others 0.9

    SWEDEN DEMOCRATS (UKIP)?
    The Swedish Democrats were formed by Nazis weren't they? Hardly UKIP.
    So why are UKIP their new best chums?
    because the SNP are allied with Sinn Fein ?
    Is that true? Are the SNP really in the same grouping as SF?
    No, it is not true.

    Sinn Fein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left–Nordic_Green_Left

    SNP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens–European_Free_Alliance
    Hey it's a staight forward lie, but why should that upset you ?

    Here's the OO organising their latest KKK lodge

    http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2005/1643.html
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, only to find out what washing powder they use to get their outfits to brilliantly white and clean.
    best ask Stuart he's the man with the inside track.
    Really?
    Of course, Stuart likes funny handshakes, hence a new border would be known as the Mason-Dickson line . Naturally we're the Union.
    Obviously I'm missing something here.

    I wanna be Ulysses S. Grant
    You can't unless you take up heavy drinking.

    Being Sherman would be more fun anyway.
    And immortalised in Cockney rhyming slang via the M4 tank (though Grant got a tank too, courtesy of the British).

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    Had you considered that the "we" might just be Marf and Ratty?
    Will an independent Scotland not have Auld Firm matches any more then?

    I'm not quite sure what that has to do with Marf & Ratty being the "we".. I'm certain an independent Scotland would have Celtic v Rangers matches but they may not be guaranteed a slot on the BBC news any more
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,903
    If the Queen can't intervene in Scottish independence what exactly is the point of having her?

    I don't think she should intervene, but it seems like precisely the sort of question that we've always thought that the monarchy was all about. Which questions would they step forwards on?

    Either she intervenes (one way or another) or I can't see any argument against abolition of the Monarchy.

  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Carola said:

    Any rumours re this 'big name' coming out for the union later?

    Fergie. Not the one with red hair.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Carola said:

    Any rumours re this 'big name' coming out for the union later?

    There is only one name that can have a big enough effect short of Salmond or Sturgeon, and despite her slip-up earlier in the day, I can't see QE intervening.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    Omnium said:

    If the Queen can't intervene in Scottish independence what exactly is the point of having her?

    I don't think she should intervene, but it seems like precisely the sort of question that we've always thought that the monarchy was all about. Which questions would they step forwards on?

    Either she intervenes (one way or another) or I can't see any argument against abolition of the Monarchy.

    The idea of the Queen not being a Unionist is like the Pope coming out for Agnosticism.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Gentle reminder if needed, I'm really interested in your source re Mr Salmond and Kristallnacht please - it is something I obviously missed.

    I made it up, what do you think ?

    I'm modelling my posts on Swinneynomics.
    Thank you. I did wonder just a wee bit, but I'm too nice to say so out loud.

    Rather like the street violence and trashed blocks of flats, it's one of those things that happen in the PB alternative universe but not in the newspapers.

    Mind you, there's apparently an interesting pair of alternative realities around today on the initial period of iScotland. Tom Devine in the Sunday Herald and Andrew Roberts in, I seem to recall, the Telegraph or Times (but have not read the latter).

    It matters not, it's a NO the Sunday Post have spoken.
    Quite. But I only ever read it for Oor Wullie, the Broons, occasionally the Hon Man and the fruit and vegetable marketing advice.

    I see the Sunday Mail* is neutral, however ...

    *The Sabbath version of the Record, not to be confused with the MoS, for our southron friends

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Omnium said:

    If the Queen can't intervene in Scottish independence what exactly is the point of having her?

    I don't think she should intervene, but it seems like precisely the sort of question that we've always thought that the monarchy was all about. Which questions would they step forwards on?

    Either she intervenes (one way or another) or I can't see any argument against abolition of the Monarchy.

    I suppose the problem is she will be queen over all the island whichever side wins, so she does not feel it is one of the situations she can intervene these days, as she has to live with both sides afterwards. Simpler if Scotland were going republican.

  • Hugh said:

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....
    Good point! So we have-

    Casual anti-Scottish racism
    Tories
    London
    RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense

    Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissists
    Racist and biased football commentators
    Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
    Anglo-Saxon supremacism
    Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
    Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
    Contrived eccentricity
    Whitehall scammers...
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    The Queen should announce that if Scotland votes yes, then she will promote it above Wales as the training ground for the first son and heir of the UK monarch.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    isam said:

    Apologies if this has been posted before, but re that ICM indyref poll, has a pollster ever described their own poll as an outlier?

    Martin Boon, the head of ICM Research, said his firm's poll should be seen in the context of a volatile campaign in which results have shifted dramatically.

    “Polls can and do go up and down and the fuss an individual poll makes will soon be forgotten when the real result arrives,” he said. “The proper way to analyse this poll is simply to take it as an ‘outlier’ which fits into the overall impression created by all Scottish polls right now: it seems too close to call, and could go either way

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html

    I think he said the same about their euro polls on the Daily politics
    That Scot poll was so obviously a dodgy one he had to describe it as outlier for credibility. Such a small sample too, I'm surprised they even published it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Hugh said:

    Roger said:

    alex

    "I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"

    .....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own

    (PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)

    I think they should certainly let James Kelly out of jail (if he wants it).

    Always polite and insightful.

    MickPork might be less to people's tastes, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back either.

    Just think PB, you can rub their noses in it when Scotland votes no!
    I don't think James Kelly is still in jail. Like most people who've gotten banned it will almost certainly have been for a very brief period. (HD2 is the exception here...)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    kle4 said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Last week I saw they had Tunnock's Caramels in the vending machines at Coventry station, I couldn't resist eating one!

    EDIT: that would be the Tunnock's, not a vending machine! :)
    If they vote yes will we still be able to eat Scotch Eggs?
    For a higher price yes. And they will have to pay more for English...custard? What dishes have English in the name?
    Mustard.

    Not a dish per se, but can't think of anything else.
    English Muffins, Creme Anglaise... All I can think of off the top of my head!

    A lot of english dishes are named after towns or regions same as any other european country

    Cumberland sausages, Eton Mess, Worcester Sauce, Lancashire Hotpot, Cornish pasty etc.
    Craster kippers. Yum! But I'd better say goodnight before I end up getting hungry and making myself supper.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578



    Hugh said:

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....
    Good point! So we have-

    Casual anti-Scottish racism
    Tories
    London
    RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense

    Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissists
    Racist and biased football commentators
    Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
    Anglo-Saxon supremacism
    Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
    Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
    Contrived eccentricity
    Whitehall scammers...
    OK, 'contrived eccentricity' confuses me - is that a reference to something, or do you not have eccentrics in Scotland?
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    edited September 2014
    kle4 said:

    Omnium said:

    If the Queen can't intervene in Scottish independence what exactly is the point of having her?

    I don't think she should intervene, but it seems like precisely the sort of question that we've always thought that the monarchy was all about. Which questions would they step forwards on?

    Either she intervenes (one way or another) or I can't see any argument against abolition of the Monarchy.

    I suppose the problem is she will be queen over all the island whichever side wins, so she does not feel it is one of the situations she can intervene these days, as she has to live with both sides afterwards. Simpler if Scotland were going republican.

    Yes it would be interesting to see Republicans arguing that the Monarchy should remain neutral in a referendum on the Head of State ;) (although i think they might have done in the Australian referendum...)

  • Hugh said:

    Carola said:

    Any rumours re this 'big name' coming out for the union later?

    Fergie. Not the one with red hair.
    So that should be enough to swing the crucial constituency of Scottish Man Utd supporters?
  • HowardHoward Posts: 97
    edited September 2014
    Audience in debate was too annoying
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624



    Hugh said:

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....
    Good point! So we have-

    Casual anti-Scottish racism
    Tories
    London
    RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense

    Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissists
    Racist and biased football commentators
    Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
    Anglo-Saxon supremacism
    Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
    Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
    Contrived eccentricity
    Whitehall scammers...
    I think I only score one. Gutted.
  • Howard said:

    Gordon Brown caught telling porkies. Again.

    'We will block more powers warns Tory MP'

    Christopher Chope has told the BBC that there are enough back bench Conservative MPs in Parliament who are against more powers going to Scotland in the event of a No vote and who would vote against such a move.

    Chope was discussing more powers on BBC Radio 4 when he was asked if he accepted that Westminster had now lost the power to veto further devolution as outlined by Gordon Brown this week. The MP replied: "No, I don't accept anything has been lost. If there is a No vote then it will be the status quo".

    Challenged by the presenter that it would not be no change, Chope replied: "It will be, because we can't change the constitution without the approval of the United Kingdom Parliament and that seems to have been lost in this debate."

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9736-we-will-block-more-powers-warns-tory-mp

    Tory MPs haven't won a majority in Westminster since the election of 1992. So not likely to be in a position to do that.
    But its the Conservatives in government not Gordon Brown.

    Therefore its not Gordon Brown who will be making decisions.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited September 2014

    Howard said:

    Gordon Brown caught telling porkies. Again.

    'We will block more powers warns Tory MP'

    Christopher Chope has told the BBC that there are enough back bench Conservative MPs in Parliament who are against more powers going to Scotland in the event of a No vote and who would vote against such a move.

    Chope was discussing more powers on BBC Radio 4 when he was asked if he accepted that Westminster had now lost the power to veto further devolution as outlined by Gordon Brown this week. The MP replied: "No, I don't accept anything has been lost. If there is a No vote then it will be the status quo".

    Challenged by the presenter that it would not be no change, Chope replied: "It will be, because we can't change the constitution without the approval of the United Kingdom Parliament and that seems to have been lost in this debate."

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9736-we-will-block-more-powers-warns-tory-mp

    Tory MPs haven't won a majority in Westminster since the election of 1992. So not likely to be in a position to do that.
    But its the Conservatives in government not Gordon Brown.

    Therefore its not Gordon Brown who will be making decisions.

    But on something like this all party leaders will probably reach agreement. It won't be tory backbenchers deciding either, so no concerns there either.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    kle4 said:



    Hugh said:

    Hugh said:

    I have lived in Scotland since 1988.
    I like - porridge, whisky, the kilt, plain bread, haggis, cranachan
    I dislike - bagpipes, Irn Bru

    Ssh, this is not a thread for people who actually live in Scotland. It's for the 'we'.
    maybe we need one going the other way
    Good idea.

    10 things "we'll" be glad to see the back of when "we" vote Yes.

    Casual anti-Scottish racism.
    Tories.
    London.


    Feel free to add to the list anyone...
    RBS,BoS,Standard Life, Tesco Bank,ClydesdaleBank,The Pound....
    Good point! So we have-

    Casual anti-Scottish racism
    Tories
    London
    RBS and other bankers who crashed the global economy and enforced austerity on us through their Tory chums while they continued to get rich at the taxpayers expense

    Myopic cultural supremacist Bloomsbury cerebral narcissists
    Racist and biased football commentators
    Warmongering political class embroiled in the military-industrial complex and Friends of Israel
    Anglo-Saxon supremacism
    Public schoolboy scroungers pretending to be hard-nosed capitalists
    Oxbridge muppets educated above their level of intelligence
    Contrived eccentricity
    Whitehall scammers...
    OK, 'contrived eccentricity' confuses me - is that a reference to something, or do you not have eccentrics in Scotland?

    'contrived' is key there, looks like a Boris reference
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited September 2014

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Survation/MoS:

    Lab 35% (-1)
    Con 31% (+4)
    UKIP 19% (-3)
    LD 8% (+1)

    Ooops, we missed that one for our ELBOW - are there any tables?
    http://t.co/EQRJKDT7XR
    Thanks TSE! Any other polls this weekend? We count nine including Survation with fieldwork since the 8th.

    Updated numbers for ELBOW this week, inc. Survation:

    Lab 36.0% (+0.1)
    Con 31.2% (-1.6)
    UKIP 15.9% (+1.2)

    LD 7.5% (+0.1)

    changes from 17th August (four weeks back):

    Lab -0.2
    Con -2.0
    UKIP +2.6

    LD -1.1
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    rcs1000 said:

    Hugh said:

    Roger said:

    alex

    "I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"

    .....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own

    (PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)

    I think they should certainly let James Kelly out of jail (if he wants it).

    Always polite and insightful.

    MickPork might be less to people's tastes, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back either.

    Just think PB, you can rub their noses in it when Scotland votes no!
    I don't think James Kelly is still in jail. Like most people who've gotten banned it will almost certainly have been for a very brief period. (HD2 is the exception here...)
    I miss HD2, a true eccentric.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    rcs1000 said:

    Hugh said:

    Roger said:

    alex

    "I don't want to tempt fate, but are the moderators going to let Malcolm out of jail?"

    .....and he's funny which is worth the admission fee on its own

    (PS Good to see you back. You were the DR Spock of PB. Intelligent logical and pithy)

    I think they should certainly let James Kelly out of jail (if he wants it).

    Always polite and insightful.

    MickPork might be less to people's tastes, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back either.

    Just think PB, you can rub their noses in it when Scotland votes no!
    I don't think James Kelly is still in jail. Like most people who've gotten banned it will almost certainly have been for a very brief period. (HD2 is the exception here...)
    I miss HD2, a true eccentric.
    He is on twitter.
  • Given that it is the political editor of The Sun that is tweeting about the Big Name and Midnight, it seems likely to be Rupert Murdoch.
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