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Odds of 2/1 on a Johnson 2022 exit look value – politicalbetting.com
Clearly Boris Johnson is going through a very tricky period and the big question remains whether he can survive certainly until the end of the year. Until late past week I’ve taken the view that he would make it but this lunchtime I placed a bet at about 2/1 on Betfair that he would be out this year. This is not a prediction but an assessment that the odds offered value.
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This is like shouting "FIRE" in an empty room.0
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A new thread? That's working?
And they say the age of miracles has passed...2 -
o_O
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And on top of that insightful comment - Mike - I do hope you're well.1
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Macron going for the jugular on Russia, saying that Le Pen depends on Putin.0
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FP,P,PT Niven presents the Merchant anecdote as Sam Goldwyn advising Edward G Robinson, and finishes the anecdote by saying Hur hur hur, I don't think even Goldwyn was that ignorant
Spookily the only place I can find this on the internet is in the French translation of Niven. Dunno if this link will work
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/David_Niven_Mémoires/LmA7EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=david+niven+shylock&pg=PT560&printsec=frontcover0 -
ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it0
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Apropos of nothing at all, it was 19 degrees today in my bit of the Lakes today. Sat outside on my terrace reading in the sunshine this morning listening to the birds and lambs bleating in the field next door. All is well in my world.
Our village is hosting some Ukrainian families. I am helping with the visa applications. Not really my area of expertise but it is something I can do to help. I hope they will like it here.7 -
There is a thread on which the only comment is from an esteemed poster writing "First!".Toms said:This is like shouting "FIRE" in an empty room.
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A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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Conservative MPs are out of their tiny minds.0
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WOAH!
It's working.1 -
Congratulations to OGH, TSE, Robert et al for this glorious new thread7
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Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?0 -
I have a vision of BJ being smeared top to toe in spermicidal jelly before leaving the house, like an overweight cross-channel swimmer.IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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If she was that strict what was she doing with condoms?IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men Gang aft agley,IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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If she was *that* Catholic I'm surprised she was willing to use condoms anyway...IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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The Debate won't do anything for turnout.0
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So BoJo has accused Starmer of being a liar? ROFL0
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On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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It may have seemed dead, but on the third thread life rose again.RochdalePioneers said:Congratulations to OGH, TSE, Robert et al for this glorious new thread
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FIRE! you say?Toms said:This is like shouting "FIRE" in an empty room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOll3v55Dmo&t=60s1 -
- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)0 -
Literally the most exciting thing that has happened since.......
Yesterday?0 -
Blubber is good for migrant swimmers. (a), added buoyancy, like whales, as the fat is of lower specific gravity than seawater; (b) some degree of thermal insulation; (c) reduces surface area/volume ratio, improving the heat loss problem. But as for looking like a character in a Woody Allen film, I wouldn't know.Theuniondivvie said:
I have a vision of BJ being smeared top to toe in spermicidal jelly before leaving the house, like an overweight cross-channel swimmer.IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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Has the Conservative party lost its mind and learned absolutely zilch from the past few months?0
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Well, Johnson has never been short of blubber, er, muscle.Carnyx said:
Blubber is good for migrant swimmers. (a), added buoyancy, like whales, as the fat is of lower specific gravity than seawater; (b) some degree of thermal insulation; (c) reduces surface area/volume ratio, improving the heat loss problem. But as for looking like a character in a Woody Allen film, I wouldn't know.Theuniondivvie said:
I have a vision of BJ being smeared top to toe in spermicidal jelly before leaving the house, like an overweight cross-channel swimmer.IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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Did you see Prof Tomkins was writing down the ScoTories today?StuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/disown-johnson-or-face-terminal-decline-tory-tells-scottish-party-pgnhk298f0 -
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)0 -
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?0 -
Good work to deal with the likely cyber attack from Rapestan to PB. Similar attacks across the UK, but never mind.
Meanwhile another Rapist staff officer is killed and things not going 100% for them in any front.
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Maybe she didn't anticipate ever getting married, so it wasn't premarital sex.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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Con Maj drifting again.
NOM 1.92
Con Maj 3.5
Lab Maj 50 -
Now onto pensions and retirement agewilliamglenn said:Macron going for the jugular on Russia, saying that Le Pen depends on Putin.
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If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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Le Pen is doing better than last time, when she was incapable on simply factual matters. This time instead her positions on Frexit and Russian bank loans are causing her problems, though a lot of the ground they've covered includes her weak points on Europe and Ukraine and less on the president's weakness on global inflation.0
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PB triumphs over sinister conspiracy to deny our collective wisdom to the wider (and weirder) world!1
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For some reason your comment reminded me of "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card.Cicero said:Good work to deal with the likely cyber attack from Rapestan to PB. Similar attacks across the UK, but never mind.
Meanwhile another Rapist staff officer is killed and things not going 100% for them in any front.0 -
True but then again wouldn't that also preclude her being catholic. Was the phrase "Be fruitful and multiply over the face of the earth" omitted?rcs1000 said:
Maybe she didn't anticipate ever getting married, so it wasn't premarital sex.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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I really am not sure, since Ms May moved on.Stuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?0 -
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway.
Lord Sachs was in the Lords when alive and of course the former chief rabbi so your facts are not even correct0 -
At uni, a female friend of mine had a boyfriend who 'adulterated' the condom they were using. This resulted in her going to the morning-after clinic, and she asked me to go with her for support. I sat near her as a nurse asked her a load of questions, and as the story came out, the nurse cast me daggers.IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
It was only after five minutes or so that my friend realised, and told the nurse I wasn't the sh*t who was responsible ...0 -
Yes, and indeed the Church of England as a whole has not disowned its Catholic identity, which has attracted anti-Roman dissidents from the Catholic Church in other countries towards the Anglican Communion.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.0 -
Don't know much about Liz Truss, beyond the fact that she's out of her depth as FS. I think Steven Barclay is Church of England although I could be wrong.Stuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?0 -
Did you not get the impression somewhere there that the way I commented indicated a lack of christian belief?Farooq said:
It's because they're wrong and they can see it so very clearly in others but not themselves. Much easier to turn on one another about the proper way to decide the date of Easter or whether indulgences are canon than to confront the yawning chasm of self-contradiction in your Bronze-age superstition.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
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The good Lord S wasn't a Lord by virtue of being a rabbi. Any more than the odd Methodist preacher Lord was a Lord for that reason. You're moving the goalposts again.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway.
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Somehow doubt much is beyond your talents. Maybe riding a unicycle backwards AND blindfolded?Cyclefree said:
Apropos of nothing at all, it was 19 degrees today in my bit of the Lakes today. Sat outside on my terrace reading in the sunshine this morning listening to the birds and lambs bleating in the field next door. All is well in my world.
Our village is hosting some Ukrainian families. I am helping with the visa applications. Not really my area of expertise but it is something I can do to help. I hope they will like it here.1 -
Macron looking a bit too smug as Le Pen challenges him on unemployment figures and the deficit0
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The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% thereFarooq said:
34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)0 -
Boris probably.Stuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
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Glad the main site is back.HYUFD said:Macron looking a bit too smug as Le Pen challenges him on unemployment figures and the deficit
Macron is useless but people won't vote Le Pen so Macron will be ok around 57 - 43.0 -
Sorry to go on about the war but....
Has anyone seen or heard from an expert predicting that the Russians are likely to make a major breakthrough in the Donbass? I'm struck by the near universal scepticism from pretty much everyone I listen to or read. At the start of the war many were predicting Kiev would fall in days and the whole country within weeks. Now I can hardly find anyone who thinks they'll get very far. Quite a turnaround. There is a difference between unlikely and impossible and wars are unpredictable beasts. I hope the pendulum hasn't swung back too far the other way and the experts aren't herding in their views.0 -
I once had to take a girl to hospital for a broken wrist and made the mistake of admitting I had broken it by hitting her with a sword. That took rather a lot of explaining and a lot of dirty looks thrown my way till she finally managed to convince them that it was purely because she stumbled over a log and instead of parrying with her sword it was purely accidental she did so with her vambraceJosiasJessop said:
At uni, a female friend of mine had a boyfriend who 'adulterated' the condom they were using. This resulted in her going to the morning-after clinic, and she asked me to go with her for support. I sat near her as a nurse asked her a load of questions, and as the story came out, the nurse cast me daggers.IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
It was only after five minutes or so that my friend realised, and told the nurse I wasn't the sh*t who was responsible ...1 -
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church0 -
Yes, I think so, although he needs a bit more practice.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Boris probably.Stuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?0 -
Probably but will still likely be significantly closer than 2017londonpubman said:
Glad the main site is back.HYUFD said:Macron looking a bit too smug as Le Pen challenges him on unemployment figures and the deficit
Macron is useless but people won't vote Le Pen so Macron will be ok around 57 - 43.0 -
She’s currently FAV to be next Con leader. Speaks volumes.Farooq said:
She's probably out of her depth in a saucer of milkydoethur said:
Don't know much about Liz Truss, beyond the fact that she's out of her depth as FS. I think Steven Barclay is Church of England although I could be wrong.Stuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?0 -
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
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A new thread open for comments?
Hallelujah.
I thought Mike had got bored of us all and booted us off his site…2 -
Our postal votes arrived yesterday and were sent back today.
I was able to persuade Wor Lass to vote tactically for Labour to help get rid of the Tory.2 -
Yes. It was the word “terminal” which caught my eye. At Easter, one’s mind turn to resurrection. The only future for the centre-right now is post-independence. Until then the Tomkins terminal decline prophecy will hold.Carnyx said:
Did you see Prof Tomkins was writing down the ScoTories today?StuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/disown-johnson-or-face-terminal-decline-tory-tells-scottish-party-pgnhk298f0 -
And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?1 -
Re: condoms & Catholics, in the USA the Roman Catholic Church fought tooth and nail against condoms, and later the pill. For example, lobbying for state laws (such as in Connecticut) banning their sale.
Yet IIRC by 1970s approx. 90% of Catholic women in USA capable of childbearing were using the pill or condoms, and only small minority the church-approved rhythm method. Most did NOT tell their priest about it, or make a big deal about it socially or politically.
But they did it anyway. Most remaining committed Catholics - in belief that, on this issue, they are NOT the ones out of step with true religion.
Rather it's popes & priests who err - and despite what some of THEM think, they are NOT the Church.0 -
The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.
Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic0 -
Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.
Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.2 -
Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)
How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?0 -
Most polls do not have a Labour lead of 10%+ UK wideStuartDickson said:
Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)
How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?0 -
I doubt the Tories are even looking long term now. Literally everything is short termist rubbish that’ll come back to bite themTheScreamingEagles said:Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.
Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.0 -
Labour MPs did not vote to investigate Blair over WMD misleading in ParliamentTheScreamingEagles said:Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.
Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.0 -
But the C of E is absolutely full of romanists and hardline evangelicals anyway. So it's useless for the reason you clam. It's just a political construct to provide an ideological arm for the English state which is long out of date. The Scottish equivalent would be sacrificing a virgin on the summit of Arthur's Seat every Beltane dawn.HYUFD said:
The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.
Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic0 -
Stuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
Sunak, if he didn't read the question.Stuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?0 -
That one sentence explains why the Union is broken.HYUFD said:
The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% thereFarooq said:
34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)0 -
I can't think of anything specific, but I do remember that Alastair Meeks had a different impression, writing that:FrankBooth said:Sorry to go on about the war but....
Has anyone seen or heard from an expert predicting that the Russians are likely to make a major breakthrough in the Donbass? I'm struck by the near universal scepticism from pretty much everyone I listen to or read. At the start of the war many were predicting Kiev would fall in days and the whole country within weeks. Now I can hardly find anyone who thinks they'll get very far. Quite a turnaround. There is a difference between unlikely and impossible and wars are unpredictable beasts. I hope the pendulum hasn't swung back too far the other way and the experts aren't herding in their views.
"We keep being told by military strategists that this is a very different proposition from the battleground in northern Ukraine and we should not assume that just because the Russians failed in their assault on Kyiv that they will fail to make progress in the Donbas."
There had also been some nervous pointing towards the potential for encirclement of the JFO before the withdrawal from around Kyiv.
There is a lot of uncertainty, and as I think one of the analysts on twitter said, "war is a series of contingent events," but if Ukraine are to emerge victorious then it's hard to think of a possible opening eight weeks to the war that would be more likely to lead them in that direction.0 -
But BoZo gets to be PM for one more dayTheScreamingEagles said:Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.
Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.0 -
Several, I think. Trouble is anyone suggesting this is liable to be accused of Putinism.FrankBooth said:Sorry to go on about the war but....
Has anyone seen or heard from an expert predicting that the Russians are likely to make a major breakthrough in the Donbass? I'm struck by the near universal scepticism from pretty much everyone I listen to or read. At the start of the war many were predicting Kiev would fall in days and the whole country within weeks. Now I can hardly find anyone who thinks they'll get very far. Quite a turnaround. There is a difference between unlikely and impossible and wars are unpredictable beasts. I hope the pendulum hasn't swung back too far the other way and the experts aren't herding in their views.1 -
Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.EPG said:
And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church0 -
The Conservatives should have higher standards than 'as bad as Blair.'HYUFD said:
Labour MPs did not vote to investigate Blair over WMD misleading in ParliamentTheScreamingEagles said:Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.
Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.1 -
Largest does not equate established.HYUFD said:
Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.EPG said:
And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church1 -
No it isn't. Scotland voted 55% to keep the Union in 2014 despite a Tory PM with only 1 Scottish seat and it has Holyrood to run most of its domestic policies now anywayStuartDickson said:
That one sentence explains why the Union is broken.HYUFD said:
The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% thereFarooq said:
34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)0 -
What is the point of an investigation when everyone has already made up their minds? It is just a way for the opposition to get the story to come back at a later date.Scott_xP said:
But BoZo gets to be PM for one more dayTheScreamingEagles said:Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.
Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.1 -
Most polls are not UK-wide.HYUFD said:
Most polls do not have a Labour lead of 10%+ UK wideStuartDickson said:
Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)
How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?
So, a range of different pollsters all showing a 10 point plus Con deficit GB-/UK-wide will suffice? I take it your daft 10 point Con lead in the Midlands observation was your attempt at squirrel spotting.1 -
"most of its domestic policies" my sharny arse.HYUFD said:
No it isn't. Scotland voted 55% to keep the Union in 2014 despite a Tory PM with only 1 Scottish seat and it has Holyrood to run most of its domestic policies now anywayStuartDickson said:
That one sentence explains why the Union is broken.HYUFD said:
The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% thereFarooq said:
34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)1 -
No it isn't. The largest group in the Church of England is liberals with a smaller group of conservative evangelicals and a tiny subset of Anglo Catholics still (many of whom went to Rome already over women priests).Carnyx said:
But the C of E is absolutely full of romanists and hardline evangelicals anyway. So it's useless for the reason you clam. It's just a political construct to provide an ideological arm for the English state which is long out of date. The Scottish equivalent would be sacrificing a virgin on the summit of Arthur's Seat every Beltane dawn.HYUFD said:
The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.
Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic
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Irrelevant to your claim that England would "go Catholic" if it switched to a Swedish or Dutch system. Your rhetoric is stuck in the era of Popery paranoia and witch hunts.HYUFD said:
Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.EPG said:
And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church0 -
Remember, people who don't vote Tory DON'T COUNT.StuartDickson said:
Most polls are not UK-wide.HYUFD said:
Most polls do not have a Labour lead of 10%+ UK wideStuartDickson said:
Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.HYUFD said:
10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for himStuartDickson said:- “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”
Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.
London
Lab 50%
Con 20%
Rest of South
Con 43%
Lab 37%
Midlands
Con 47%
Lab 37%
North
Lab 54%
Con 24%
Scotland
SNP 49%
Lab 29%
Con 15%
Wales
Lab 56%
PC 19%
Con 13%
(Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)
How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?
So, a range of different pollsters all showing a 10 point plus Con deficit GB-/UK-wide will suffice? I take it your daft 10 point Con lead in the Midlands observation was your attempt at squirrel spotting.0 -
Politico.com - As Russia mounts new offensive, Western allies’ help for Ukraine could be too little, too late
Following Biden-led call, leaders make vague offers of assistance.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-new-offensive-west-allies-pledge-help-ukraine/
More weapons. More money. More sanctions. More commitments to provide security guarantees.
Major Western allies on Tuesday promised Ukraine more of virtually every type of assistance, but they could offer no more assurances that any of it would stop Russia’s brutal new military assault in eastern Ukraine, or prevent the Kremlin’s armies from conquering all of Donbas or committing further wartime atrocities.
The pledges of additional support came after a videoconference of allied leaders convened by U.S. President Joe Biden. But, in fact, the pledges were largely a recitation of help previously promised to Ukraine, with only vague suggestions of new assistance — raising a high risk that Ukrainian forces would find themselves running low on ammunition and weapons at a potentially decisive moment in the war.
Russia on Monday night unleashed a ferocious bombardment, striking targets all across Ukraine as it began what senior Kremlin officials described as a new phase of the war focused on the eastern region of Donbas. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other officials have pleaded with the West for more weapons and ammunition, while insisting their forces will not surrender any turf.
Biden’s videoconference on Tuesday was joined by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, Polish President Andrzej Duda, Romanian President Klaus Iohannis, and U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, as well as European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, European Council President Charles Michel and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg.
One senior EU official said it was important for the leaders to reconnect but also acknowledged there was “no real deliverable” from the call. Rather, the official said, leaders gave updates on assistance being provided by individual nations, and discussed theoretical plans for helping guarantee Ukraine’s future security and for rebuilding the country.
In the meantime, however, fierce battles already underway in eastern Ukraine could determine the country’s fate. “What happens in the east could have a catastrophic effect on the whole situation in Ukraine,” the senior official said.
Asked, as he disembarked Air Force One upon landing Tuesday in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, if he would be sending more artillery to Ukraine, Biden answered simply: “Yes.” . . . .0 -
It does, even in Germany and the Netherlands now, which used to be Protestant, they have the Roman Catholic church as their largest church as they have no established Protestant church like we, the Danes and Norwegians doCarnyx said:
Largest does not equate established.HYUFD said:
Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.EPG said:
And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church0 -
I didn't say most of the C of E were - simply that there were plenty of the types I mentioned.HYUFD said:
No it isn't. The largest group in the Church of England is liberals with a smaller group of conservative evangelicals and a tiny subset of Anglo Catholics still (many of whom went to Rome already over women priests).Carnyx said:
But the C of E is absolutely full of romanists and hardline evangelicals anyway. So it's useless for the reason you clam. It's just a political construct to provide an ideological arm for the English state which is long out of date. The Scottish equivalent would be sacrificing a virgin on the summit of Arthur's Seat every Beltane dawn.HYUFD said:
The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.
Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic0 -
Craig Whittaker MP says that he has called for the PM to resign over his "law-breaking" and he should be willing to refer himself to the privileges committee.
#TheTake: https://news.sky.com/
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1516875939275284482/video/10 -
Yup,Razedabode said:
I doubt the Tories are even looking long term now. Literally everything is short termist rubbish that’ll come back to bite themTheScreamingEagles said:Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.
Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.0 -
But it's not established, is it? You're talking more mince than a catering pack of Quorn from Farmfoods.HYUFD said:
It does, even in Germany and the Netherlands now, which used to be Protestant, they have the Roman Catholic church as their largest church as they have no established Protestant church like we, the Danes and Norwegians doCarnyx said:
Largest does not equate established.HYUFD said:
Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.EPG said:
And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.Carnyx said:
Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?HYUFD said:
Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.Carnyx said:
Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.HYUFD said:
No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.Carnyx said:
If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.Pagan2 said:
shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacsCarnyx said:
On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"IshmaelZ said:
A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.CorrectHorseBattery said:ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.
And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?
The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church1 -
Raab is Church of England, albeit he is half Jewish tooStuartinromford said:
Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?Carnyx said:Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.
He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.
What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?
How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?0 -
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