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Odds of 2/1 on a Johnson 2022 exit look value – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,150
edited May 2022 in General
imageOdds of 2/1 on a Johnson 2022 exit look value – politicalbetting.com

Clearly Boris Johnson is going through a very tricky period and the big question remains whether he can survive certainly until the end of the year. Until late past week I’ve taken the view that he would make it but this lunchtime I placed a bet at about 2/1 on Betfair that he would be out this year. This is not a prediction but an assessment that the odds offered value.

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  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    This is like shouting "FIRE" in an empty room.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    A new thread? That's working?

    And they say the age of miracles has passed...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,757
    o_O
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,757
    And on top of that insightful comment - Mike - I do hope you're well.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498
    Macron going for the jugular on Russia, saying that Le Pen depends on Putin.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    FP,P,PT Niven presents the Merchant anecdote as Sam Goldwyn advising Edward G Robinson, and finishes the anecdote by saying Hur hur hur, I don't think even Goldwyn was that ignorant

    Spookily the only place I can find this on the internet is in the French translation of Niven. Dunno if this link will work

    https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/David_Niven_Mémoires/LmA7EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=david+niven+shylock&pg=PT560&printsec=frontcover
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,276
    Toms said:

    This is like shouting "FIRE" in an empty room.

    There is a thread on which the only comment is from an esteemed poster writing "First!".
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Conservative MPs are out of their tiny minds.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    WOAH!

    It's working.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    geoffw said:

    This far in the debate we can see it'll be no game changer for Mme Le Pen.

    She doesn't seem very confident.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,916
    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    I have a vision of BJ being smeared top to toe in spermicidal jelly before leaving the house, like an overweight cross-channel swimmer.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    If she was that strict what was she doing with condoms?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men Gang aft agley,
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,865
    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    rcs1000 said:

    geoffw said:

    This far in the debate we can see it'll be no game changer for Mme Le Pen.

    She doesn't seem very confident.
    Who wouldn't be whilst walking a political tightrope?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    rcs1000 said:

    WOAH!

    It's working.

    I never doubted you, Boss.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    If she was *that* Catholic I'm surprised she was willing to use condoms anyway...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,702
    The Debate won't do anything for turnout.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    So BoJo has accused Starmer of being a liar? ROFL
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Congratulations to OGH, TSE, Robert et al for this glorious new thread

    It may have seemed dead, but on the third thread life rose again.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    Toms said:

    This is like shouting "FIRE" in an empty room.

    FIRE! you say?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOll3v55Dmo&t=60s
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited April 2022
    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,806
    Literally the most exciting thing that has happened since.......

    Yesterday?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    Theuniondivvie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    I have a vision of BJ being smeared top to toe in spermicidal jelly before leaving the house, like an overweight cross-channel swimmer.
    Blubber is good for migrant swimmers. (a), added buoyancy, like whales, as the fat is of lower specific gravity than seawater; (b) some degree of thermal insulation; (c) reduces surface area/volume ratio, improving the heat loss problem. But as for looking like a character in a Woody Allen film, I wouldn't know.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Has the Conservative party lost its mind and learned absolutely zilch from the past few months?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Carnyx said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    I have a vision of BJ being smeared top to toe in spermicidal jelly before leaving the house, like an overweight cross-channel swimmer.
    Blubber is good for migrant swimmers. (a), added buoyancy, like whales, as the fat is of lower specific gravity than seawater; (b) some degree of thermal insulation; (c) reduces surface area/volume ratio, improving the heat loss problem. But as for looking like a character in a Woody Allen film, I wouldn't know.
    Well, Johnson has never been short of blubber, er, muscle.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    Did you see Prof Tomkins was writing down the ScoTories today?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/disown-johnson-or-face-terminal-decline-tory-tells-scottish-party-pgnhk298f
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,865
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,191
    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,075
    Good work to deal with the likely cyber attack from Rapestan to PB. Similar attacks across the UK, but never mind.
    Meanwhile another Rapist staff officer is killed and things not going 100% for them in any front.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    Maybe she didn't anticipate ever getting married, so it wasn't premarital sex.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Con Maj drifting again.

    NOM 1.92
    Con Maj 3.5
    Lab Maj 5
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    williamglenn said:

    Macron going for the jugular on Russia, saying that Le Pen depends on Putin.

    Now onto pensions and retirement age
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,650
    Le Pen is doing better than last time, when she was incapable on simply factual matters. This time instead her positions on Frexit and Russian bank loans are causing her problems, though a lot of the ground they've covered includes her weak points on Europe and Ukraine and less on the president's weakness on global inflation.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    PB triumphs over sinister conspiracy to deny our collective wisdom to the wider (and weirder) world!
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Cicero said:

    Good work to deal with the likely cyber attack from Rapestan to PB. Similar attacks across the UK, but never mind.
    Meanwhile another Rapist staff officer is killed and things not going 100% for them in any front.

    For some reason your comment reminded me of "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,865
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    Maybe she didn't anticipate ever getting married, so it wasn't premarital sex.
    True but then again wouldn't that also preclude her being catholic. Was the phrase "Be fruitful and multiply over the face of the earth" omitted?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    I really am not sure, since Ms May moved on.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited April 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway.

    Lord Sachs was in the Lords when alive and of course the former chief rabbi so your facts are not even correct
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,472
    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    At uni, a female friend of mine had a boyfriend who 'adulterated' the condom they were using. This resulted in her going to the morning-after clinic, and she asked me to go with her for support. I sat near her as a nurse asked her a load of questions, and as the story came out, the nurse cast me daggers.

    It was only after five minutes or so that my friend realised, and told the nurse I wasn't the sh*t who was responsible ...
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,650
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    Yes, and indeed the Church of England as a whole has not disowned its Catholic identity, which has attracted anti-Roman dissidents from the Catholic Church in other countries towards the Anglican Communion.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    edited April 2022
    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    Don't know much about Liz Truss, beyond the fact that she's out of her depth as FS. I think Steven Barclay is Church of England although I could be wrong.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,865
    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    It's because they're wrong and they can see it so very clearly in others but not themselves. Much easier to turn on one another about the proper way to decide the date of Easter or whether indulgences are canon than to confront the yawning chasm of self-contradiction in your Bronze-age superstition.
    Did you not get the impression somewhere there that the way I commented indicated a lack of christian belief?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    edited April 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway.

    Lord Sachs was in the Lords when alive and of course the former chief rabbi so your facts are not even correct
    The good Lord S wasn't a Lord by virtue of being a rabbi. Any more than the odd Methodist preacher Lord was a Lord for that reason. You're moving the goalposts again.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Cyclefree said:


    Apropos of nothing at all, it was 19 degrees today in my bit of the Lakes today. Sat outside on my terrace reading in the sunshine this morning listening to the birds and lambs bleating in the field next door. All is well in my world.

    Our village is hosting some Ukrainian families. I am helping with the visa applications. Not really my area of expertise but it is something I can do to help. I hope they will like it here.

    Somehow doubt much is beyond your talents. Maybe riding a unicycle backwards AND blindfolded?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    Macron looking a bit too smug as Le Pen challenges him on unemployment figures and the deficit
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.
    The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% there
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    Boris probably. :wink:
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    HYUFD said:

    Macron looking a bit too smug as Le Pen challenges him on unemployment figures and the deficit

    Glad the main site is back.

    Macron is useless but people won't vote Le Pen so Macron will be ok around 57 - 43.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,806
    Sorry to go on about the war but....

    Has anyone seen or heard from an expert predicting that the Russians are likely to make a major breakthrough in the Donbass? I'm struck by the near universal scepticism from pretty much everyone I listen to or read. At the start of the war many were predicting Kiev would fall in days and the whole country within weeks. Now I can hardly find anyone who thinks they'll get very far. Quite a turnaround. There is a difference between unlikely and impossible and wars are unpredictable beasts. I hope the pendulum hasn't swung back too far the other way and the experts aren't herding in their views.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,865
    JosiasJessop said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    At uni, a female friend of mine had a boyfriend who 'adulterated' the condom they were using. This resulted in her going to the morning-after clinic, and she asked me to go with her for support. I sat near her as a nurse asked her a load of questions, and as the story came out, the nurse cast me daggers.

    It was only after five minutes or so that my friend realised, and told the nurse I wasn't the sh*t who was responsible ...
    I once had to take a girl to hospital for a broken wrist and made the mistake of admitting I had broken it by hitting her with a sword. That took rather a lot of explaining and a lot of dirty looks thrown my way till she finally managed to convince them that it was purely because she stumbled over a log and instead of parrying with her sword it was purely accidental she did so with her vambrace
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited April 2022
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    Boris probably. :wink:
    Yes, I think so, although he needs a bit more practice.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    londonpubman said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron looking a bit too smug as Le Pen challenges him on unemployment figures and the deficit

    Glad the main site is back.

    Macron is useless but people won't vote Le Pen so Macron will be ok around 57 - 43.
    Probably but will still likely be significantly closer than 2017
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    Don't know much about Liz Truss, beyond the fact that she's out of her depth as FS. I think Steven Barclay is Church of England although I could be wrong.
    She's probably out of her depth in a saucer of milk
    She’s currently FAV to be next Con leader. Speaks volumes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    A new thread open for comments?

    Hallelujah.

    I thought Mike had got bored of us all and booted us off his site…
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    Our postal votes arrived yesterday and were sent back today.

    I was able to persuade Wor Lass to vote tactically for Labour to help get rid of the Tory.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Carnyx said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    Did you see Prof Tomkins was writing down the ScoTories today?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/disown-johnson-or-face-terminal-decline-tory-tells-scottish-party-pgnhk298f
    Yes. It was the word “terminal” which caught my eye. At Easter, one’s mind turn to resurrection. The only future for the centre-right now is post-independence. Until then the Tomkins terminal decline prophecy will hold.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,650
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Re: condoms & Catholics, in the USA the Roman Catholic Church fought tooth and nail against condoms, and later the pill. For example, lobbying for state laws (such as in Connecticut) banning their sale.

    Yet IIRC by 1970s approx. 90% of Catholic women in USA capable of childbearing were using the pill or condoms, and only small minority the church-approved rhythm method. Most did NOT tell their priest about it, or make a big deal about it socially or politically.

    But they did it anyway. Most remaining committed Catholics - in belief that, on this issue, they are NOT the ones out of step with true religion.

    Rather it's popes & priests who err - and despite what some of THEM think, they are NOT the Church.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited April 2022
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.

    The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.

    Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.

    Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.

    How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    StuartDickson said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.

    How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?
    Most polls do not have a Labour lead of 10%+ UK wide
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.

    Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.

    I doubt the Tories are even looking long term now. Literally everything is short termist rubbish that’ll come back to bite them
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited April 2022
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.

    Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.

    Labour MPs did not vote to investigate Blair over WMD misleading in Parliament
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.

    The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.

    Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic
    But the C of E is absolutely full of romanists and hardline evangelicals anyway. So it's useless for the reason you clam. It's just a political construct to provide an ideological arm for the English state which is long out of date. The Scottish equivalent would be sacrificing a virgin on the summit of Arthur's Seat every Beltane dawn.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    Sunak, if he didn't read the question.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.
    The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% there
    That one sentence explains why the Union is broken.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,276
    FrankBooth said:

    Sorry to go on about the war but....

    Has anyone seen or heard from an expert predicting that the Russians are likely to make a major breakthrough in the Donbass? I'm struck by the near universal scepticism from pretty much everyone I listen to or read. At the start of the war many were predicting Kiev would fall in days and the whole country within weeks. Now I can hardly find anyone who thinks they'll get very far. Quite a turnaround. There is a difference between unlikely and impossible and wars are unpredictable beasts. I hope the pendulum hasn't swung back too far the other way and the experts aren't herding in their views.

    I can't think of anything specific, but I do remember that Alastair Meeks had a different impression, writing that:

    "We keep being told by military strategists that this is a very different proposition from the battleground in northern Ukraine and we should not assume that just because the Russians failed in their assault on Kyiv that they will fail to make progress in the Donbas."

    There had also been some nervous pointing towards the potential for encirclement of the JFO before the withdrawal from around Kyiv.

    There is a lot of uncertainty, and as I think one of the analysts on twitter said, "war is a series of contingent events," but if Ukraine are to emerge victorious then it's hard to think of a possible opening eight weeks to the war that would be more likely to lead them in that direction.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,955
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.

    Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.

    But BoZo gets to be PM for one more day
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    FrankBooth said:

    Sorry to go on about the war but....

    Has anyone seen or heard from an expert predicting that the Russians are likely to make a major breakthrough in the Donbass? I'm struck by the near universal scepticism from pretty much everyone I listen to or read. At the start of the war many were predicting Kiev would fall in days and the whole country within weeks. Now I can hardly find anyone who thinks they'll get very far. Quite a turnaround. There is a difference between unlikely and impossible and wars are unpredictable beasts. I hope the pendulum hasn't swung back too far the other way and the experts aren't herding in their views.

    Several, I think. Trouble is anyone suggesting this is liable to be accused of Putinism.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    EPG said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.
    Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.

    The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.

    Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.

    Labour MPs did not vote to investigate Blair over WMD misleading in Parliament
    The Conservatives should have higher standards than 'as bad as Blair.'
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.
    Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.

    The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church
    Largest does not equate established.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    StuartDickson said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.
    The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% there
    That one sentence explains why the Union is broken.
    No it isn't. Scotland voted 55% to keep the Union in 2014 despite a Tory PM with only 1 Scottish seat and it has Holyrood to run most of its domestic policies now anyway
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,237
    Scott_xP said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.

    Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.

    But BoZo gets to be PM for one more day
    What is the point of an investigation when everyone has already made up their minds? It is just a way for the opposition to get the story to come back at a later date.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.

    How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?
    Most polls do not have a Labour lead of 10%+ UK wide
    Most polls are not UK-wide.

    So, a range of different pollsters all showing a 10 point plus Con deficit GB-/UK-wide will suffice? I take it your daft 10 point Con lead in the Midlands observation was your attempt at squirrel spotting.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    34% off the pace in Scotland is, though.
    The Tories can win a majority with only 1 seat in Scotland, as they did in 2015 when they also got 15% there
    That one sentence explains why the Union is broken.
    No it isn't. Scotland voted 55% to keep the Union in 2014 despite a Tory PM with only 1 Scottish seat and it has Holyrood to run most of its domestic policies now anyway
    "most of its domestic policies" my sharny arse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.

    The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.

    Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic
    But the C of E is absolutely full of romanists and hardline evangelicals anyway. So it's useless for the reason you clam. It's just a political construct to provide an ideological arm for the English state which is long out of date. The Scottish equivalent would be sacrificing a virgin on the summit of Arthur's Seat every Beltane dawn.
    No it isn't. The largest group in the Church of England is liberals with a smaller group of conservative evangelicals and a tiny subset of Anglo Catholics still (many of whom went to Rome already over women priests).

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,650
    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.
    Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.

    The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church
    Irrelevant to your claim that England would "go Catholic" if it switched to a Swedish or Dutch system. Your rhetoric is stuck in the era of Popery paranoia and witch hunts.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    StuartDickson said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    HYUFD said:

    StuartDickson said:

    - “… with his ratings and Tory voting numbers in apparent freefall…”

    Five more Deltapoll-scale findings and I reckon he’s history. Tory MPs are clearly not interested in ethics, but the slimeballs won’t look forward to re-entering the jobs market just as England regains her Sick Man of Europe title.

    London
    Lab 50%
    Con 20%

    Rest of South
    Con 43%
    Lab 37%

    Midlands
    Con 47%
    Lab 37%

    North
    Lab 54%
    Con 24%

    Scotland
    SNP 49%
    Lab 29%
    Con 15%

    Wales
    Lab 56%
    PC 19%
    Con 13%

    (Deltapoll/Mail on Sunday; Sample Size: 1,550; Fieldwork: 13th - 14th April 2022)

    10% poll lead in the Midlands is hardly devastating for him
    Now you’re moving the goalposts. Previously it was a 10 point deficit which was your Ditch Johnson benchmark. Now a 10 point Con lead in one region is sufficient to save him.

    How bad does Con VI need to be before you advocate a fresh leader? Fifteen point deficit? A deficit in every single country and region?
    Most polls do not have a Labour lead of 10%+ UK wide
    Most polls are not UK-wide.

    So, a range of different pollsters all showing a 10 point plus Con deficit GB-/UK-wide will suffice? I take it your daft 10 point Con lead in the Midlands observation was your attempt at squirrel spotting.
    Remember, people who don't vote Tory DON'T COUNT.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Politico.com - As Russia mounts new offensive, Western allies’ help for Ukraine could be too little, too late
    Following Biden-led call, leaders make vague offers of assistance.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-new-offensive-west-allies-pledge-help-ukraine/

    More weapons. More money. More sanctions. More commitments to provide security guarantees.

    Major Western allies on Tuesday promised Ukraine more of virtually every type of assistance, but they could offer no more assurances that any of it would stop Russia’s brutal new military assault in eastern Ukraine, or prevent the Kremlin’s armies from conquering all of Donbas or committing further wartime atrocities.

    The pledges of additional support came after a videoconference of allied leaders convened by U.S. President Joe Biden. But, in fact, the pledges were largely a recitation of help previously promised to Ukraine, with only vague suggestions of new assistance — raising a high risk that Ukrainian forces would find themselves running low on ammunition and weapons at a potentially decisive moment in the war.

    Russia on Monday night unleashed a ferocious bombardment, striking targets all across Ukraine as it began what senior Kremlin officials described as a new phase of the war focused on the eastern region of Donbas. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other officials have pleaded with the West for more weapons and ammunition, while insisting their forces will not surrender any turf.

    Biden’s videoconference on Tuesday was joined by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, Polish President Andrzej Duda, Romanian President Klaus Iohannis, and U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, as well as European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, European Council President Charles Michel and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg.

    One senior EU official said it was important for the leaders to reconnect but also acknowledged there was “no real deliverable” from the call. Rather, the official said, leaders gave updates on assistance being provided by individual nations, and discussed theoretical plans for helping guarantee Ukraine’s future security and for rebuilding the country.

    In the meantime, however, fierce battles already underway in eastern Ukraine could determine the country’s fate. “What happens in the east could have a catastrophic effect on the whole situation in Ukraine,” the senior official said.

    Asked, as he disembarked Air Force One upon landing Tuesday in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, if he would be sending more artillery to Ukraine, Biden answered simply: “Yes.” . . . .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited April 2022
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.
    Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.

    The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church
    Largest does not equate established.
    It does, even in Germany and the Netherlands now, which used to be Protestant, they have the Roman Catholic church as their largest church as they have no established Protestant church like we, the Danes and Norwegians do
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

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    Pagan2 said:

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    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    The Quakers are also a tiny minority in Scotland. Scottish religion has been and still is dominated by Roman Catholicism a la Celtic and Church of Scotland evangelical Presbyterianism a la Rangers or even more hardline evangelism in the Free Church of Scotland.

    The reason England still has the Church of England as its largest church, not the Roman Catholic church or hardcore evangelicals, is the Church of England is the established church.

    Mr Johnson is not Supreme Governor of the C of E, the Queen is, Mr Johnson is not even Anglican but Roman Catholic
    But the C of E is absolutely full of romanists and hardline evangelicals anyway. So it's useless for the reason you clam. It's just a political construct to provide an ideological arm for the English state which is long out of date. The Scottish equivalent would be sacrificing a virgin on the summit of Arthur's Seat every Beltane dawn.
    No it isn't. The largest group in the Church of England is liberals with a smaller group of conservative evangelicals and a tiny subset of Anglo Catholics still (many of whom went to Rome already over women priests).

    I didn't say most of the C of E were - simply that there were plenty of the types I mentioned.
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    Craig Whittaker MP says that he has called for the PM to resign over his "law-breaking" and he should be willing to refer himself to the privileges committee.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Razedabode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cannot believe the Tories are whipping against investigating Boris Johnson.

    Every MP that votes for that disgrace are going to get beaten like morning wood at the next election.

    I doubt the Tories are even looking long term now. Literally everything is short termist rubbish that’ll come back to bite them
    Yup,
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

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    EPG said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

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    IshmaelZ said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    ROFL Johnson is about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it

    A bloke I was at university with was enamoured of a strictly Catholic girlfriend and used to push pins through unopened condom packets in the hope of impregnating and therefore marrying her. It didn't happen. He is now married to someone else and has children. The takeaway being, condoms are impregnated (ironic word) with spermicide and quite useful even when holed.
    hmmm so sex before marriage and using condoms....that is a very loose definition of the phrase "strictly catholic"
    On a point of PB pedantry, Ishmael didn't say 'Roman'. She might have been C of E, especially on the High/Puseyite sense.
    shrugs I cant keep all the denominations straight frankly, christians seem to be sects maniacs
    If it's any consolation, it's only because of an active interest in local history that I've had to learn the very real differences. Which are seriously important for anyone doing 19th century history (and interested in anything earlier). It's still utterly f***ing outrageous that the C of E is allocated seats in a supposedly modern parliament, when nobody else, no Kirk ministers, Muslim imams, Jewish rabbis, witches, shamans, or Jedi knights, gets places.
    No it isn't as the Church of England is the established Church and the Monarch its Supreme Governor.

    The Roman Catholic Church won't allow their bishops to be in the Lords anyway as it challenges the supremacy of the Vatican and the evangelicals have little interest in bishops anyway
    Oh, so Mr Johnson has put himself under the supremacy of the Vatican? Dodgy, you say.

    The whole point is that the C of E should not be an Established Church at all in the modern world. You know, we're not in the Tudor era any more. Or even the Stuart one. And look what happened to the Stuarts.
    Yes it should, the whole point we have the established church is to stop Rome again being our main established Catholic church, as it is in Scotland for instance where there is only a choice between Roman Catholic Popery or Presbyterian evangelicals. The Scottish Episcopal Anglican church is just a small minority church now.

    Not to mention the Parish system in England of the established church guarantees every Parishioner a church wedding or funeral regardless of how often they attend church
    Trying to start the Gordon Riots again?

    If I were an active Christian Scot I would be really angry at your description of Scottish religion as an Old Firm plus Partick Thistle. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that, starting with the Quakers.

    And your latter point is utterly irrelevant to your political worldview. It's a moral and pastoral one. it doesn't mean that Mr J pp HMtQ has to be i/c the C of E. In any case, what't the point of a boss of the C of E who keeps slagging it off?

    And there are numerous state and ex-state church arrangements across Europe that don't involve legislative power for bishops, and which aren't "Popery", to use HYUFD's sectarian slur.
    Almost every other nation in Europe has the Roman Catholic church or the Orthodox Church as its largest church.

    The main exceptions are nations like Norway and Denmark which also have the Protestant Lutheran church as their established church
    Largest does not equate established.
    It does, even in Germany and the Netherlands now, which used to be Protestant, they have the Roman Catholic church as their largest church as they have no established Protestant church like we, the Danes and Norwegians do
    But it's not established, is it? You're talking more mince than a catering pack of Quorn from Farmfoods.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    Interesting to see No 10 and Mr J relentlessly attacking the C of E.

    He is, of course, de facto Head vice HMtQ.

    What's the point of an Established Church if the Conservative Party feel totally free to order it about, and ignore it?

    How long before the C of E sheds the Erastian heresy and moves to disestablishment?

    Who is the most senior practising Anglican in the government?

    Come to think of it, who is the most senior minister who would put "C of E" in the box labelled "religion" on a form, without thinking about it much?
    Raab is Church of England, albeit he is half Jewish too
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