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  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    edited September 2014
    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    Britain would like to secure one of the main economic portfolios, such as trade, last held in 2004-09, competition, or the internal market and services.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/31/david-cameron-donald-tust-european-council

    Finance not even mentioned.

    Financial Services didnt exist as a portfolio before today, it was part of internal markets, the part of internal markets that the UK is particularly interested in. Noone really believed that the UK would ever be given the portfolio that looks after the City, it really is a coup to have gotten it.

    Or, in Socrates speak, "everything the EU does is always a conspiracy against the UK. Everything."
    No, they were interested in internal markets because reform to get free trade in services is in the UK's interest.

    How does "Everything the EU does is always a conspiracy against the UK. Everything." chime with "It's certainly better than getting a minor energy position", which I said just a few posts below?
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    LOL
    Charles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    HYUFD said:

    NP The Czech and Slovak divorce was pretty acrimonious at the time too

    and still is. Slovaks dislike Czechs as they think they're bossy and Czechs think Slovaks are gangsters.
    Are either of them wrong?
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    foxinsoxuk said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Off-topic:

    Following our conversation on foreign housing yesterday, SeanT might like to commission the following house:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-29127057

    Either to buy, or to use in a book as a villain's layer.

    Although they missed a trick: it would be brilliant if the bottom floor was glass.

    It looks like its near the 12 Apostles on Victoria's Great Ocean Road.

    I hope the buyer reads up on the history of London Bridge there:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Arch

    And all the excitement or Warnambool on a Saturday night, just an hour or two away...

    (It seems that 4 of the 12 Apostles have fallen down too: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Apostles,_Victoria

    It may be better to rent than purchase this house!)
    The 12 Apostles were superb, and the pictures of the London Bridge arch collapsing with tourists trapped on the newly-formed stack rather chilling.

    http://www.standard.net.au/story/1721965/london-bridge-collapse-survivor-returns/

    However I prefer the little-known Duncansby Stacks, near John O'Groats. With a lighthouse and Orkney in the background, it is superb.

    http://www.landforms.eu/Caithness/Stacks of Duncansby.htm

    And to stop the residents of the principality feeling left out, there's the Green Bridge of Wales (which you can only reach if the military aren't playing):

    http://www.pembrokeshirecoast.org.uk/default.asp?pid=120
  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    dr_spyn said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    Cameron was looking for an economic job:

    Source 1: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10973293/David-Cameron-and-Jean-Claude-Juncker-greet-each-other-with-a-high-five.html
    Source 2: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/15/lord-hill-cameron-uk-european-commissioner
    Source 3: http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/juncker-next-economic-and-monetary.html

    So he fails to get what he wants, and the Tories declare victory anyway. It's embarrassing.

    Or, as the FT called it just now:

    "Britain secured its most prized job in Europe on Wednesday as Jean-Claude Juncker stunned Brussels by tapping Lord Hill, a Tory peer plucked from obscurity, to oversee the bloc’s financial services sector."

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1b6916ca-38d1-11e4-a53b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3CuHjtvzN
    Who wrote this the other day, when it was reported Lord Hill got the climate change gig?

    Devastating for Cameron if true. He gets spat in the face with Juncker's appointment, and they don't even bother to give him a big job to make up for it. They haven't even decided on who they want as internal markets, but they have to decided to exclude the Brits. To make it worse, one of the big economic appointments goes to France! Clearly the EU just wants to screw us now and Juncker is getting his revenge.

    The "we must stay in for influence" argument goes up in smoke if this goes through. Cameron must be fighting hard to overturn this.
    Last Lord Hill who went to Brussels carried on to Waterloo.
    "Daddy" Hill, a brilliant soldier and superb leader who has had less than his just share of fame.
  • hucks67
    hucks67 Posts: 758
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    I should imagine that quite a lot of financial services companies will look at moving out of Scotland. This is not necessarily a problem, given the level of risk it can present. Yes some lost income, but they will have make up for this by trying to attract other businesses, which they may do by lowering corporation tax. The trouble is that some aspects such as currency and EU membership may not be settled for awhile. Businesses may therefore wait to see what happens before making decisions.
  • Itajai
    Itajai Posts: 721
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    Itajai said:

    Was this not done under the guidance of our very own British Vishinsky? Not surprisingly I see he now wants to be the Labour MP for Holborn.

    There are legitimate criticisms to be made of the law enacted by Parliament, which Sir Keir was appointed to enforce. Comparing a respected human rights lawyer of considerable ability and liberal instincts to the Soviet State Prosecutor at the Moscow show trials is preposterous.
    And like Vishinsky he did not use his judgement. And Vishinsky had reason not to.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    edited September 2014
    Hmm BT have some lovely partners ...............

    twitter.com/stevenreynolds/status/509615313194090496/photo/1
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Just read John Major's words in Times. Very accurate, not sure it is helpful to No campaign - but I am a YES supporter. Hits nail on head.
    "We should not forget that, throughout the 1980s and 1990s, Labour connived with nationalist opinion in demonising the Conservatives and, by implication, the English. They are doing it still, and have fed a divisive narrative that has bitten deep, ignoring the revolution in Scottish living standards brought about, in large part, by Conservative policies.

    It was under John Major, first as cabinet minister then as PM, that support for Unionism in Scotland was dealt a fatal blow. In 1992 the Tories held most of their Scottish seats, but got wiped out in 1997.

    Banging on about Europe does a lot of harm. It encourages secessionists everywhere.
  • Life_ina_market_town
    Life_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    Neil said:

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.

    Indeed. It looks as if Juncker at least is trying to make concessions to buy off a British exit. That said, the kangaroo assembly can only block the appointment of the Commission en bloc, which would be a pretty drastic step, especially as it would entail the rejection of Juncker as President, and thus siding with Cameron!
  • PeterC
    PeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited September 2014
    John Major was widely mocked as PM and certainly had a torrid time of it. But his judgements were largely sound, ERM excepted: Maastricht, single currency, borders, economy, and especially devolution. Not a bad PM at all IMO. Fundamentally honest and decent; thousands of time better than Blair/Brown, who are the real architects of the impending constitutional calamity.
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Blimey ..... Gordon Brown, Alastair Darling, Prezza - it's just like the bad old days. Whoever next?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    peter_from_putney said:

    Blimey ..... Gordon Brown, Alastair Darling, Prezza - it's just like the bad old days. Whoever next?

    Ron Davies is going to turn up looking for badgers.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Putney, Blair?

    Doubt they could afford him. And he's too busy bringing peace to the Middle East.
  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    peter_from_putney said:

    Blimey ..... Gordon Brown, Alastair Darling, Prezza - it's just like the bad old days. Whoever next?

    John Major. Do try and keep up.
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    *spills tea*
    Casino_Royale said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    malcolmg said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. G, when you say 'CU here we come' are you talking to Brussels or London? :p

    On a serious note, there is no desire for a currency union down here.

    MD , you will have no say in the matter
    What about the sovereign will of the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland?

    What an arrogant bunch you Nats are.
    your politicians will decide , not you and they will be forced by the market. You are a serious prat yourself.
    Come on, you can do better than that. My favourite insult of yours was calling someone "fanny features" once.

    I spat out a whole mouthful of my tea: I haven't heard that one since I was 8 years old in the school playground.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:


    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.
    EPP+ECR+ALDE should get them over the line, though with Germany getting a laughable role as Digital Economy commissioner there are no guarantees the EPP will vote it through.
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    That said, the kangaroo assembly can only block the appointment of the Commission en bloc, which would be a pretty drastic step, especially as it would entail the rejection of Juncker as President, and thus siding with Cameron!

    That's technically correct but not true in practice. The EP has in the past used its pressure to force individual Commissioners to be withdrawn:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocco_Buttiglione#Nominee_for_the_European_Commission
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    Britain would like to secure one of the main economic portfolios, such as trade, last held in 2004-09, competition, or the internal market and services.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/31/david-cameron-donald-tust-european-council

    Finance not even mentioned.

    Financial Services didnt exist as a portfolio before today, it was part of internal markets, the part of internal markets that the UK is particularly interested in. Noone really believed that the UK would ever be given the portfolio that looks after the City, it really is a coup to have gotten it.

    Or, in Socrates speak, "everything the EU does is always a conspiracy against the UK. Everything."
    So has internal markets lost City oversight? If so then this is a big win for the PM.
    The internal markets directorate will have two Commissioners - for financial services it will report to the UK Commissioner.

    Then it is a big win. Surprisingly big.

    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.
    Conspiracy theorists will say it consolidates British acceptance of EU control of the City. Then they can give the job to someone else.
    It might consolidate a system of Britain getting the job every time.
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:


    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.
    EPP+ECR+ALDE should get them over the line, though with Germany getting a laughable role as Digital Economy commissioner there are no guarantees the EPP will vote it through.
    Why would the EPP support a Tory candidate particularly? The Tories gave them a pretty big two fingers.

  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    That's a rather callous attitude to fellow Scots who may soon be unemployed....
    read my other post , your scaremongering is pathetic. We have been here before and it was bollocks then and it is bollocks now.
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    It was smart politics to leak a crappy position for the UK a week ago. Makes this one look much better in comparison.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    edited September 2014
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Charles said:

    Although Scotland can then declare UDI.

    Not if they're thinking of applying for membership of the EU.
    What would Nigel Farage's hero, Mr Putin, do about Scotland?

    Send aid to English-accented workers in Aberdeen and the Shetlands, followed by a local referendum on re-joining England. That way, England gets all the oil back! Deny all involvement and if Salmond objects, remind him, a la Putin, we could conquer the Highlands in a fortnight if we wanted.

    To be honest, Decrepit, that seems a perfectly reasonable strategy.

    We could snatch everything that's worth having in Scotland - the lochs, the whisky, the pretty girls. The Scots can have the rest.

    There would be the usual hand-wringing at the UN but without a single Treaty Partner in the world Scotland would find there would be even less done about it than there was in respect of the invasion of Ukraine.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:


    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.
    EPP+ECR+ALDE should get them over the line, though with Germany getting a laughable role as Digital Economy commissioner there are no guarantees the EPP will vote it through.
    Why would the EPP support a Tory candidate particularly? The Tories gave them a pretty big two fingers.

    I mean the whole list being voted down, but generally if the Germans are happy with it then the EPP will surely vote it through.

  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    PeterC said:

    John Major was widely mocked as PM and certainly had a torrid time of it. But his judgements were largely sound, ERM excepted: Maastricht, single currency, borders, economy, and especially devolution. Not a bad PM at all IMO. Fundamentally honest and decent; thousands of time better than Blair/Brown, who are the real architects of the impending constitutional calamity.

    Yes, it was Blair and Brown who infiltrated the Thatcher and Major Cabinets and proposed all the anti-Scottish (as seen from Scotland) measures which led to the number of Scots Conservative MPs fall from two dozen to none. There was an episode of Dr Who about it (or was that van Gogh?)
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    Wonderful retribution. I loved Michael Crichton - was a super clever and fascinating interviewee. He took no crap and dealt with his tormenters with savage courtesy.
    Sean_F said:

    WRT Chris Grayling, Michael Crichton wrote a novel in which he made a hostile critic into a child rapist.

  • Lennon
    Lennon Posts: 1,815
    Heywood and Middleton by-election set for October 9th (same date as Clacton)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29143285

    Clearly Labour trying to reduce the UKIP power by splitting resources and not having the momentum of having just gained there first MP
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    Socrates said:

    It was smart politics to leak a crappy position for the UK a week ago. Makes this one look much better in comparison.

    It certainly helped that some people fell for what was an unconvincing leak hook, line and sinker.

  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    Cameron in his speech is strongly indicating that he is sticking around if it's a Yes vote.
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    It was smart politics to leak a crappy position for the UK a week ago. Makes this one look much better in comparison.

    It certainly helped that some people fell for what was an unconvincing leak hook, line and sinker.

    You mean the posts from me full of caveats: "if this goes through", "if true" etc?
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    Ooh Err. Well that's making it pretty clear where their assets are going if the vote goes Yes.
    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Robert Peston ‏@Peston 58s

    Standard Life to shortly put on website that will protect customers' interests in event of Scottish independence

    It's up -

    http://www.standardlife.com/utility/customer_statement-2.html

    'In view of the uncertainty around Scotland's constitutional future, we have put in place precautionary measures which would help enable us to provide customers with continuity. This includes planning for new regulated companies in England to which we could transfer parts of our business if there was a need to do so.'

    Note this line -

    'Standard Life has a long history in Scotland – a heritage of which we are very proud – and we hope that this continues but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers, our shareholders, our people and other stakeholders in our business.'
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Dropping the F-Bomb: @Sun_Politics Cam to Scots: referendum not about "if you're fed up with the effing Tories you can given them a kick".
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Cut me in half and I bleed purple and yellow

    Michael Heaver (@Michael_Heaver)
    10/09/2014 11:19
    UKIP sticks of rock have arrived in Clacton - "Let's Rock Politics" pic.twitter.com/KpBhzAzfMY
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    That's a rather callous attitude to fellow Scots who may soon be unemployed....
    read my other post , your scaremongering is pathetic. We have been here before and it was bollocks then and it is bollocks now.
    Malcolm - is there a need to be so consistently rude?
  • __Bobajob__
    __Bobajob__ Posts: 144
    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    Admittedly the scare stories are now becoming laughable. The key problem with the NO campaign is that it does not learn from its mistakes
  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Charles said:

    Although Scotland can then declare UDI.

    Not if they're thinking of applying for membership of the EU.
    What would Nigel Farage's hero, Mr Putin, do about Scotland?

    Send aid to English-accented workers in Aberdeen and the Shetlands, followed by a local referendum on re-joining England. That way, England gets all the oil back! Deny all involvement and if Salmond objects, remind him, a la Putin, we could conquer the Highlands in a fortnight if we wanted.

    To be honest, Decrepit, that seems a perfectly reasonable strategy.

    We could snatch everything that's worth having in Scotland - the lochs, the whisky, the pretty girls. The Scots can have the rest.

    There would be the usual hand-wringing at the UN but without a single Treaty Partner in the world Scotland would find there would be even less done about it than there was in respect of the invasion of Ukraine.
    Talking of whisky, what are the implications for booze prices in the next budget when the Chancellor no longer needs to set duty on spirits so as to protect the Scottish distillers?
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:


    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.
    EPP+ECR+ALDE should get them over the line, though with Germany getting a laughable role as Digital Economy commissioner there are no guarantees the EPP will vote it through.
    Why would the EPP support a Tory candidate particularly? The Tories gave them a pretty big two fingers.

    I mean the whole list being voted down, but generally if the Germans are happy with it then the EPP will surely vote it through.

    If Parliament decides that it doesnt like one candidate they have shown in the past that they will veto the whole Commission until he or she is withdrawn. Given that Barnier (the immediate predecessor) has just instructed the EBA to look into the practice of British banks trying to get around the bonus cap that Osborne challenged legally... Well, you can see trouble ahead.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014
    Plato said:

    Ooh Err. Well that's making it pretty clear where their assets are going if the vote goes Yes.

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Robert Peston ‏@Peston 58s

    Standard Life to shortly put on website that will protect customers' interests in event of Scottish independence

    It's up -

    http://www.standardlife.com/utility/customer_statement-2.html

    'In view of the uncertainty around Scotland's constitutional future, we have put in place precautionary measures which would help enable us to provide customers with continuity. This includes planning for new regulated companies in England to which we could transfer parts of our business if there was a need to do so.'

    Note this line -

    'Standard Life has a long history in Scotland – a heritage of which we are very proud – and we hope that this continues but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers, our shareholders, our people and other stakeholders in our business.'
    "It's all a bluff by a big fanny. Hoots. Turnips"
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    Beverley_C said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    That's a rather callous attitude to fellow Scots who may soon be unemployed....
    read my other post , your scaremongering is pathetic. We have been here before and it was bollocks then and it is bollocks now.
    Malcolm - is there a need to be so consistently rude?
    It's his shtick. Cheers me up on a daily basis, and I don't perceive any malice behind it.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs, he said he would protect customers. He can do this without any job moves. Moving the jobs would damage customers due to the enormous costs.
    You are not really very smart are you. Tory scaremongering as ever.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    __Bobajob__ said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    Admittedly the scare stories are now becoming laughable. The key problem with the NO campaign is that it does not learn from its mistakes
    Are Standard Life part if the No Campaign?

    Is threatening to default on your debt a "scare story" too?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @simon_telegraph: Alex Salmond's response to Sir Ian Wood this morning - he's wrong. His response to Standard Life - they won't do it. Is that all he's got?

    Yes. Yes, that is all he's got. Fantasy. Tragedy.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited September 2014
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Charles said:

    Although Scotland can then declare UDI.

    Not if they're thinking of applying for membership of the EU.
    What would Nigel Farage's hero, Mr Putin, do about Scotland?

    Send aid to English-accented workers in Aberdeen and the Shetlands, followed by a local referendum on re-joining England. That way, England gets all the oil back! Deny all involvement and if Salmond objects, remind him, a la Putin, we could conquer the Highlands in a fortnight if we wanted.

    To be honest, Decrepit, that seems a perfectly reasonable strategy.

    We could snatch everything that's worth having in Scotland - the lochs, the whisky, the pretty girls. The Scots can have the rest.

    There would be the usual hand-wringing at the UN but without a single Treaty Partner in the world Scotland would find there would be even less done about it than there was in respect of the invasion of Ukraine.
    Talking of whisky, what are the implications for booze prices in the next budget when the Chancellor no longer needs to set duty on spirits so as to protect the Scottish distillers?
    Big fat import duty on scotch, tax break for gin.
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    @Watcher

    Mind you, Wotch, Standard Life is such a terrible company that I'm not sure if that's a win for England or Scotland.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    __Bobajob__ said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    Admittedly the scare stories are now becoming laughable. The key problem with the NO campaign is that it does not learn from its mistakes
    Bob , they are led and supported by idiots like Carlotta , they assume everyone is stupid and will believe their pathetic lies. They think it is 1950 when they controlled the press and the public could not get the truth.
    Dodos heading for the cliff.
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    Scott_P said:

    @simon_telegraph: Alex Salmond's response to Sir Ian Wood this morning - he's wrong. His response to Standard Life - they won't do it. Is that all he's got?

    Yes. Yes, that is all he's got. Fantasy. Tragedy.

    Just agreed with one of my suppliers if it's a Yes he'll move my account from Scotland to his facility in UK.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014
    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs, he said he would protect customers. He can do this without any job moves. Moving the jobs would damage customers due to the enormous costs.
    You are not really very smart are you. Tory scaremongering as ever.
    Where would the re-domiciled business be taxed?

  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    Beverley_C said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    That's a rather callous attitude to fellow Scots who may soon be unemployed....
    read my other post , your scaremongering is pathetic. We have been here before and it was bollocks then and it is bollocks now.
    Malcolm - is there a need to be so consistently rude?
    You are easily upset , that is me being nice. If I was being rude you would really know it. I will refrain from commenting on your likeness to a root vegetable.
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    Very dry - LOL
    Neil said:



    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    Cameron was looking for an economic job:

    Source 1: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10973293/David-Cameron-and-Jean-Claude-Juncker-greet-each-other-with-a-high-five.html
    Source 2: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/15/lord-hill-cameron-uk-european-commissioner
    Source 3: http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/juncker-next-economic-and-monetary.html

    So he fails to get what he wants, and the Tories declare victory anyway. It's embarrassing.

    Or, as the FT called it just now:

    "Britain secured its most prized job in Europe on Wednesday as Jean-Claude Juncker stunned Brussels by tapping Lord Hill, a Tory peer plucked from obscurity, to oversee the bloc’s financial services sector."

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1b6916ca-38d1-11e4-a53b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3CuHjtvzN
    Plucked from obscurity? Has the FT librarian taken an early lunch? (Hill was the minister who famously failed to resign.)
    He also famously had to be googled by Juncker's staff when they heard he was appointed.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    @Watcher

    Mind you, Wotch, Standard Life is such a terrible company that I'm not sure if that's a win for England or Scotland.

    Their tax payments are always welcome!
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    Scott_P said:

    @simon_telegraph: Alex Salmond's response to Sir Ian Wood this morning - he's wrong. His response to Standard Life - they won't do it. Is that all he's got?

    Yes. Yes, that is all he's got. Fantasy. Tragedy.

    Truth does just fine. Wood is a liar given his backtracking on previous numbers, typical unionist mind you.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    Nick Robinson @bbcnickrobinson · 15m

    Cameron in Edinburgh says "If you make this decision to go it alone as PM I will help make this happen" (so won't resign if there's a YES)
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    malcolmg said:

    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs, he said he would protect customers. He can do this without any job moves. Moving the jobs would damage customers due to the enormous costs.
    You are not really very smart are you. Tory scaremongering as ever.

    Remember that meal with 3 middle management project managers I mentioned a while back......

    I think you are in for a mighty surprise....
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs, he said he would protect customers. He can do this without any job moves. Moving the jobs would damage customers due to the enormous costs.
    You are not really very smart are you. Tory scaremongering as ever.
    Deluded. As one of his customers if he leaves my pension in Scotland I'll be moving it for him.
  • Life_ina_market_town
    Life_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited September 2014
    Neil said:

    That's technically correct but not true in practice. The EP has in the past used its pressure to force individual Commissioners to be withdrawn

    That concerned the nomination of a specific individual rather than the allocation of portfolios. There is no way that HMG will withdraw Hill's nomination. So there would have to be a job swab with another Commissioner already nominated for a lesser position, which would be a major embarrassment for Juncker, and, would galvanise British opposition to Brussels. As a Eurosceptic, I would welcome such a move under the Trotskyite principle of "the worse the better", but I can't see it happening.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs,.
    So he's going to leave 5000 jobs in Scotland to cover 10% of his business? Right.....
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    TheWatcher said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs, he said he would protect customers. He can do this without any job moves. Moving the jobs would damage customers due to the enormous costs.
    You are not really very smart are you. Tory scaremongering as ever.
    Where would the re-domiciled business be taxed?

    Where will the myriad companies that are currently taxed in London pay their tax. Doh.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    E&W suspect it's goodbye - but split on whether more Devo should be offered:

    http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/09/10/rest-of-britons-now-expect-scottish-independence/
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nick Robinson @bbcnickrobinson · 15m

    Cameron in Edinburgh says "If you make this decision to go it alone as PM I will help make this happen" (so won't resign if there's a YES)

    There's still a chance of a confidence vote (which he could win), 15% is a very low threshold (some letters have already been written). However given the time that would take and the possibility of hanging on in the interim while a replacement is elected I'm not liking the look of 4/1 for leaving this year.

  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    I totally agree. And he had serious cojones. Standing down as Party leader whilst PM to call his opponents bluff was stunning.
    PeterC said:

    John Major was widely mocked as PM and certainly had a torrid time of it. But his judgements were largely sound, ERM excepted: Maastricht, single currency, borders, economy, and especially devolution. Not a bad PM at all IMO. Fundamentally honest and decent; thousands of time better than Blair/Brown, who are the real architects of the impending constitutional calamity.

  • hamiltonace
    hamiltonace Posts: 694
    hucks67 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    I should imagine that quite a lot of financial services companies will look at moving out of Scotland. This is not necessarily a problem, given the level of risk it can present. Yes some lost income, but they will have make up for this by trying to attract other businesses, which they may do by lowering corporation tax. The trouble is that some aspects such as currency and EU membership may not be settled for awhile. Businesses may therefore wait to see what happens before making decisions.
    It is nice to think that everyone will operate in a calm controlled manner but that is not how business works. The last financial crisis is a prime example of how things can move very fast. Once one company moves the others will have to follow suit quickly. For most of these companies the Scottish business is not significant.

    Where we work the union business is over 60% of turnover and in the last 2 weeks the phones have gone almost dead whilst everyone watches to see what happens. The fear is palpable. I think the arrogant attitude of people such as Malcolm who basically show no empathy to those who will lose their jobs is not helping their cause. The only question is whether the Scots have to suffer 2 weeks of pain or 8 months of absolute turmoil.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Lennon said:

    Heywood and Middleton by-election set for October 9th (same date as Clacton)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29143285

    Clearly Labour trying to reduce the UKIP power by splitting resources and not having the momentum of having just gained there first MP

    Heywood and Middleton was in the news for the same reasons as Rotherham. Did the Council & Gtr Manchester police have similar robust child protection policies?

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: That's right. For a laugh, Standard Life must be bluffing its own board, staff and the markets as Salmond says.
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    Neil said:

    That's technically correct but not true in practice. The EP has in the past used its pressure to force individual Commissioners to be withdrawn

    That concerned the nomination of a specific individual rather than the allocation of portfolios. There is no way that HMG will withdraw Hill's nomination. So there would have to be a job swab with another Commissioner already nominated for a lesser position, which would be a major embarrassment for Juncker, and, would galvanise British opposition to Brussels. As a Eurosceptic, I would welcome such a move under the Trotskyite principle of "the worse the better", but I can't see it happening.
    Yes, it might well take a job swap as Hill is hardly objectionable as a candidate. However if his answers on, say, British banks' designation of allowances as fixed pay do not meet what the Parliament wants or expects then do not be surprised if there are fireworks.

  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Cameron: Well if that nice Roy Hodgson can use effing bad language and get away with it, then why can't I?
  • Lennon
    Lennon Posts: 1,815
    Lennon said:

    Heywood and Middleton by-election set for October 9th (same date as Clacton)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29143285

    Clearly Labour trying to reduce the UKIP potential for a 2nd gain by splitting resources and not having the momentum of having just gained there first MP

    Interestingly they've only just made it in time. Under the new 21 to 27 day timetable, this is the latest possible day that the writ could have been moved to still have the by-election on the 9th October. By my reckoning Nominations will need to be at 4pm on Day 4 (today being Day 0) which I calculate as 16th September (ie Tuesday of next week) - so parties will need to get their act together and select pretty fast.
  • saddo
    saddo Posts: 534
    Labour MP on Daily Politics only argument for Scot MP's voting on England only matters is that they've always done it. Suicidal position for Labour in 2015
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014
    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs, he said he would protect customers. He can do this without any job moves. Moving the jobs would damage customers due to the enormous costs.
    You are not really very smart are you. Tory scaremongering as ever.
    Where would the re-domiciled business be taxed?

    Where will the myriad companies that are currently taxed in London pay their tax. Doh.
    Are NI and PAYE payments going to keep Scotland afloat?

    I wonder how long the Scottish government can keep paying for university tuition, when that corporation tax remains in the south.
  • __Bobajob__
    __Bobajob__ Posts: 144
    @Carlotta

    Endlessly negative garbage from vested interests.

    It is hurting, and it certainly isn't working.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    Standard Life says given uncertainty about Scotland's future it has contingency plans to transfer business to England "if a need to do so"

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 1m

    .."This transfer of our business could potentially include pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers"

    steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 54s

    Standard Life ceo David Nish: "We have a long history in Scotland –but our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers .."

    He couldn't be any clearer, but Malcolm will no doubt label him a 'bluffing turnip' or 'Tory stooge'.

    Links in with this article -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10656483/Standard-Life-warns-it-could-quit-an-independent-Scotland.html

    They employ 5000 workers, north of the border.
    Yes , and they can put a brass plate up in London whilst 4995 people still work in Edinburgh. Another unionist stooge trying to help his pal.
    No, it's a CEO trying to protect his business and judging that with 90% of his customer base in a foreign country with a different currency and tax regime it would be smart to relocate there.....don't tell me you weren't expecting this?
    He did not say he was transferring 5000 jobs, he said he would protect customers. He can do this without any job moves. Moving the jobs would damage customers due to the enormous costs.
    You are not really very smart are you. Tory scaremongering as ever.
    Where would the re-domiciled business be taxed?

    Where will the myriad companies that are currently taxed in London pay their tax. Doh.
    There goes the tax bonanza from Independence then....
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    I've found malcolmg's insults hilarious for years - it's like a drive-by shooting using Bugsy Malone style Splat machine guns.
    Anorak said:

    Beverley_C said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    That's a rather callous attitude to fellow Scots who may soon be unemployed....
    read my other post , your scaremongering is pathetic. We have been here before and it was bollocks then and it is bollocks now.
    Malcolm - is there a need to be so consistently rude?
    It's his shtick. Cheers me up on a daily basis, and I don't perceive any malice behind it.
  • Pong
    Pong Posts: 4,693
    edited September 2014
    MikeSmithson said:

    When the Survation boss describes his poll as "quite something" what does he mean? I've been pondering that for hours.

    The same as YouGov

    Better for YES than YouGov

    Better for NO than YouGov

    Any thoughts?

    I was hoping the Daily Record Liveblog might shed some light on things;

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-latest-news-live-4193415

    But nae. The coverage still seems mostly objective, if slightly pro-indy.

    This tweet was quite interesting though;

    David Clegg ✔ @davieclegg

    Phones at the Record ringing off the hook from finance firms wanting to know the details of the poll. Results at 10.30pm tonight. #indyref

    The only other thing to go on is the wording at the top of the survation poll alert;

    eepurl.com/2VgMH

    Which poses the question; "As with YouGov and TNS/BMRB Has there been a further move with Survation to the Yes! campaign in Scotland?"

    Basically, it's still a stab in the dark!

    I'd guess good for yes, if I had to pick.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MarkKleinmanSky: Exclusive: Ex-Scottish Widows chair Lord Leitch will be latest prominent businessman to back 'No' campaign later today. Full story up soon.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    dr_spyn said:

    Lennon said:

    Heywood and Middleton by-election set for October 9th (same date as Clacton)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29143285

    Clearly Labour trying to reduce the UKIP power by splitting resources and not having the momentum of having just gained there first MP

    Heywood and Middleton was in the news for the same reasons as Rotherham. Did the Council & Gtr Manchester police have similar robust child protection policies?

    Labour called it before the funeral so they must be scared... I expect ukip to highlight the current scandal and labours massive part in it
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    Plato said:

    I've found malcolmg's insults hilarious for years - it's like a drive-by shooting using Bugsy Malone style Splat machine guns.

    Anorak said:

    Beverley_C said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    @journodave: While we're watching people hiss and cheer for political theatre, Standard Life are considering moving to England http://t.co/OraFkRZwHI

    Boo Hoo Sob
    That's a rather callous attitude to fellow Scots who may soon be unemployed....
    read my other post , your scaremongering is pathetic. We have been here before and it was bollocks then and it is bollocks now.
    Malcolm - is there a need to be so consistently rude?
    It's his shtick. Cheers me up on a daily basis, and I don't perceive any malice behind it.
    Indeed. It's like another Ave It.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    __Bobajob__ said:

    @Carlotta

    Endlessly negative garbage from vested interests.

    It is hurting, and it certainly isn't working.

    You think the CEO of Standard Life does not know his business and his customers?
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    Lennon said:

    Lennon said:

    Heywood and Middleton by-election set for October 9th (same date as Clacton)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29143285

    Clearly Labour trying to reduce the UKIP potential for a 2nd gain by splitting resources and not having the momentum of having just gained there first MP

    Interestingly they've only just made it in time. Under the new 21 to 27 day timetable, this is the latest possible day that the writ could have been moved to still have the by-election on the 9th October. By my reckoning Nominations will need to be at 4pm on Day 4 (today being Day 0) which I calculate as 16th September (ie Tuesday of next week) - so parties will need to get their act together and select pretty fast.
    Cowards.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    What on earth is William Hague on about?

    Yorkshiremen are always keen to speak for a far bigger area than they represent
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: That's right. For a laugh, Standard Life must be bluffing its own board, staff and the markets as Salmond says.

    cowardy custard, big greeting jessie, grow a backbone, get up off your belly. What more can you say to a quivering whinging low life yellow belly fanny featured halfwit.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    Scott_P said:

    @MarkKleinmanSky: Exclusive: Ex-Scottish Widows chair Lord Leitch will be latest prominent businessman to back 'No' campaign later today. Full story up soon.

    ooooooooooH trembling big time now
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:


    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.
    EPP+ECR+ALDE should get them over the line, though with Germany getting a laughable role as Digital Economy commissioner there are no guarantees the EPP will vote it through.
    Why would the EPP support a Tory candidate particularly? The Tories gave them a pretty big two fingers.

    Mutti Merkel will keep her little ones firmly in line.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Pong said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    When the Survation boss describes his poll as "quite something" what does he mean? I've been pondering that for hours.

    The same as YouGov

    Better for YES than YouGov

    Better for NO than YouGov

    Any thoughts?

    I was hoping the Daily Record Liveblog might shed some light on things;

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-latest-news-live-4193415

    But nae. The coverage still seems mostly objective, if slightly pro-indy.

    This tweet was quite interesting though;

    David Clegg ✔ @davieclegg

    Phones at the Record ringing off the hook from finance firms wanting to know the details of the poll. Results at 10.30pm tonight. #indyref
    If share prices are affected by poll rumour, can the financial regulators step in, and demand that the results are published immediately?
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Pong said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    When the Survation boss describes his poll as "quite something" what does he mean? I've been pondering that for hours.

    The same as YouGov

    Better for YES than YouGov

    Better for NO than YouGov

    Any thoughts?

    Phones at the Record ringing off the hook from finance firms wanting to know the details of the poll. Results at 10.30pm tonight. #indyref
    Why? They're not bothered about their business, their customers or their shareholders....

    They are only interested in scare stories....
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Paul Nuttall.... What he says about Rotherham and Rochdale here should form the basis of UKIPs campaign in heywood and middleton

    Paul Nuttall (@paulnuttallukip)
    10/09/2014 11:50
    My most recent column in which I discuss Calais, Clacton and Matthew Parris #ukip #clacton pic.twitter.com/FmV6htQREO
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    I do wonder when things like Standard Life come out and say it, what impact it will start to have on the soft Yes votes.

    It's becoming real all of sudden. And the workers in the Naval dockyards and others who've known for a long while that their future income is about to move South.

    This really reminds me of the Crash - once Lehmans went down, the lemmings started running for cover/dumping staff as they didn't need to worry about jumping first. Standard Life has just raised the stakes in a massive game-changing way.

    Well done to their Board for having the guts to say it.
    Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: That's right. For a laugh, Standard Life must be bluffing its own board, staff and the markets as Salmond says.

  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Might the Tories decide not to contest Heywood and Middleton?
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    CarlottaVance said:

    Pong said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    When the Survation boss describes his poll as "quite something" what does he mean? I've been pondering that for hours.

    The same as YouGov

    Better for YES than YouGov

    Better for NO than YouGov

    Any thoughts?

    Phones at the Record ringing off the hook from finance firms wanting to know the details of the poll. Results at 10.30pm tonight. #indyref
    Why? They're not bothered about their business, their customers or their shareholders....

    They are only interested in scare stories....
    They are too busy getting their money on YES
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    TheScreamingEagles said:



    Admittedly the scare stories are now becoming laughable. The key problem with the NO campaign is that it does not learn from its mistakes

    I'm astonished to find that Mr Darling has admitted that the new powers are not new at all but have been around for months and are the same old devonano (I paraphrase) - in which case why upset the EWNIish with talk of devomax (whch, quite correctly, cannot and should not be assured without their consent)??

    Source is Andrew Sparrow in the Graun running blog on an interview with Mr D:

    "Q: What about the timing of this? Gordon Brown announced this timetable after some people had sent in their postal votes?

    Darling says the proposed additional powers were announced by party leaders in the summer.

    Q: You could not answer this when asked in the TV debates.

    Darling repeats the points about the proposed new powers being announced some time ago.

    Q: But people are not sure what powers Scotland would get. That’s a failing of your campaign."


  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    So it's worth bearing in mind there are now seven vice-presidents, referred to as "super commissioners" by the BBC:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29139503

    And we got none of them. So Lord Hill's position can't be claimed to be bigger than ninth. This is supposedly a victory for the UK. It's a middle of the pack position, so par for the course for the UK in the EU.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Socrates said:

    Lennon said:

    Lennon said:

    Heywood and Middleton by-election set for October 9th (same date as Clacton)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29143285

    Clearly Labour trying to reduce the UKIP potential for a 2nd gain by splitting resources and not having the momentum of having just gained there first MP

    Interestingly they've only just made it in time. Under the new 21 to 27 day timetable, this is the latest possible day that the writ could have been moved to still have the by-election on the 9th October. By my reckoning Nominations will need to be at 4pm on Day 4 (today being Day 0) which I calculate as 16th September (ie Tuesday of next week) - so parties will need to get their act together and select pretty fast.
    Cowards.
    Quite smart actually - they know the bun fight in Clacton will blow any local embarrassment of the front pages.....

  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:


    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.
    EPP+ECR+ALDE should get them over the line, though with Germany getting a laughable role as Digital Economy commissioner there are no guarantees the EPP will vote it through.
    Why would the EPP support a Tory candidate particularly? The Tories gave them a pretty big two fingers.

    Mutti Merkel will keep her little ones firmly in line.
    Of course she doesnt have a majority by herself even if she swings the EPP into line ;)

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @benrileysmith: Asked Salmond 3 times why investors were pulling 100s of millions from Scotland. Twice turned his back. Third time said it wasn't happening.

    Run away from reality
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    OllyT said:

    I instinctively mistrust nationalism - most nationalist movements play on convincing people that all their problems are caused by someone else. UKIP and SNP are both fall into this category, one scapegoats the EU, the other scapegoats the rUK.
    Blaming someone else for your problems then often spills over into hatred and racism.
    Much as I would regret seeing the union split I would relish watching Salmond deliver over the next decade when the prop of blaming someone else for all your problems is removed.
    Ironically, if he wins, I think there is a fair chance Salmond would rapidly become the most hated figure in Scotland.

    Nazi's and Mussolini's mob started out as nationalist lefties. Just saying.
    (he ducks)
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:

    Neil said:

    MaxPB said:


    Let's see if the EUP now try and block it.

    That has to be a risk. Particularly as the Tories arent in the EPP.
    EPP+ECR+ALDE should get them over the line, though with Germany getting a laughable role as Digital Economy commissioner there are no guarantees the EPP will vote it through.
    Why would the EPP support a Tory candidate particularly? The Tories gave them a pretty big two fingers.

    I mean the whole list being voted down, but generally if the Germans are happy with it then the EPP will surely vote it through.

    If Parliament decides that it doesnt like one candidate they have shown in the past that they will veto the whole Commission until he or she is withdrawn. Given that Barnier (the immediate predecessor) has just instructed the EBA to look into the practice of British banks trying to get around the bonus cap that Osborne challenged legally... Well, you can see trouble ahead.
    Which is why I said EPP+ECR+ALDE. The EPP surely wouldn't vote down a list of commissioners from their own man. The anti-banker movement on the EUP mainly comes from the Greens and Left,the EPP clearly aren't that bothered given that their man has given Britain financial services.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Danish liberal Margrethe Vestager will be in charge of the powerful competition portfolio that gives the EU a big say in the expansion or merger plans of the world's biggest companies, while former Slovenian prime minister Alenka Bratusek will oversee the EU's plan to create an energy union.

    Sweden's Cecilia Malmstrom will have the task of negotiating the world's biggest trade agreement between the United States and Europe.

    I don't know anything about these individuals, but it's encouraging that competition & the US trade deal will both be the responsibility of commissions from non-Eurozone, business-friendly countries.
  • __Bobajob__
    __Bobajob__ Posts: 144
    Carlotta

    Once again you miss the point completely - the endless scare stories, whether based in fact or fear, are not helping No. Where is the positive message for the Union? We just look endlessly negative. You see it on here in microcosm everyday - the likes of ScottP retweeting the latest disaster that will befall Scotland if it leaves. It's utterly counterproductive
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    Bloody hell, Hague and Harman have co-ordinated their Qs and As beforehand.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014
    Plato said:

    Standard Life has just raised the stakes in a massive game-changing way.

    Well done to their Board for having the guts to say it.

    Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: That's right. For a laugh, Standard Life must be bluffing its own board, staff and the markets as Salmond says.

    They're not 'raising the stakes', or getting involved politically, it's purely business.

    Standard Life are required to make these announcements to the markets, and their customers to reassure them about how they will operate.

  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited September 2014
    The Betfair "Yes" market is shortening just a tad ..... currently 3.2 to back, 3.25 to lay.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    And Mr D again as reported in the Graun rolling blog:

    "Q: What are the new powers going to be? What happens if Ukip hold the balance of power at Westminster?

    Darling says the three UK parties have agreed to give the Scottish parliament more power over taxation.

    He says he thinks there will be a Labour government after the next election. But what is being offered is being offered by all three main parties, and they are the ones who will be forming a government.

    Q: Why is Labour not promising Scotland as much power over income tax as the Conservatives?

    Darling says the difference between the two parties is not that large. Labour wants to retain some revenue to the UK for pooling the cost of risks.

    Q: What if Ukip holds the balance of power?

    Darling says that not in his wildest dreams does Nigel Farage expect to get more than a few seats."

    And he has admitted that it is not at all certain that the promises would be kept, or the Scottish Parliament avoid being closed down by London.

    Well, well, that was the leader of the No Campaign speaking. It sure reinforces what someone else pointed out, we now have a Yes option of clarity and certainty compared with chaos, uncertainty and mibbes aye, mibbes naw for No.
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