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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Just checking, does Scotland count as a foreign nation in this context?
    Scotland comes ahead of Spain when you consider the time before the 1707 Act of Union yes and the wars England rather than the UK fought
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Foxy said:

    He might get a pasting.
    Carrie might instigate a de facto regency, stripe-ing Boris of all genuine power.
  • kle4 said:

    I can't shake the feeling that he is loving this somehow. Russia against the world, in need of a firm leader who can just sign whatever he feels like law.
    Not much use when he cannot get parts
  • So Putin supporters are Scousers..

    Tomasz Oryński
    @TOrynski
    If I read it correctly (i am not really any good in reading Russian) the sign on his jacket says "I support Putin".

    Great photo.


    https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1503477508091621384
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502

    So Putin supporters are Scousers..

    Tomasz Oryński
    @TOrynski
    If I read it correctly (i am not really any good in reading Russian) the sign on his jacket says "I support Putin".

    Great photo.


    https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1503477508091621384

    You look in the dustbin for something to eat?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    HYUFD said:

    Scotland comes ahead of Spain when you consider the time before the 1707 Act of Union yes and the wars England rather than the UK fought
    If we’re doing top trumps, is pure length of war enough, or do you need to consider intensity? Perhaps it needs a graph? I mean the 100 years war was a bit on and off, and light touch so we should weight it.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,538
    HYUFD said:

    Well the South African President has taken a neutral stance between Russia and NATO not wholly without self interest.

    I would prefer him to be in the NATO camp but that is the reality
    Albania, former Stalinist/Maoist/Hoxhaist dictatorship is, much to my surprise, a NATO member.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,538

    So Putin supporters are Scousers..

    Tomasz Oryński
    @TOrynski
    If I read it correctly (i am not really any good in reading Russian) the sign on his jacket says "I support Putin".

    Great photo.


    https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1503477508091621384

    Yes, "I'm for Putin".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    Great. Just great.



    Allie Hodgkins-Brown
    @AllieHBNews
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    Tuesday’s FINANCIAL TIMES: “China signalled willingness to provide Russia with military support, says US” #TomorrowsPapersToday
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,538

    Too late, consider yourself cancelled.
    "No pot pourri!"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,044
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  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    tlg86 said:

    You look in the dustbin for something to eat?
    You find a dead dog and you think it's a treat?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,966
    edited March 2022
    Leon said:

    "We have not prospered during the period of US hegemony"

    What drugs do you take?


    Sure, America supplanted us as global superpower, but that was gonna happen at some point, we are a small island and we governed 1/3 of the world, it was pretty unsustainable, and we kept it going for a fantastically long time

    Far far better we were overtaken by the USA than by the USSR (which America defeated) or Nazi Germany (which us and the Americans and USSR defeated) or by China (which we are now trying to defeat)

    Meanwhile, under this awful "US hegemony" Britons have become richer, healthier and better educated than at any time in their history, and the UK still wields significant soft and hard power, and is one of the world's leading nations of the 2nd rank, behind the USA and China

    Quite frankly, as I look around the world this evening, I would quite like outright US hegemony - 1990s style - to return and run the world for another century or two. Sadly that period has passed
    It would be better, I think, if Europe pulled together and became able to look after our own defence, but your fundamental point is sound. I was thinking at the weekend how different the world would feel if, say, America as the technological, economically and militarily dominant power were the fascist dictatorship and, say, Russia as the weaker power were the bastion of democracy on whom we depended. Not a happy place to be.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236
    HYUFD said:

    It is only NATO and the Anglosphere which help us to contain the big boys of Russia and China.

    Yes we can defend the Falklands and Gibraltar and deal with Nationalists within our own islands but we cannot contain Putin and Xi alone
    I would suggest that Japan and South Korea - neither of which are either NATO nor Anglosphere are very much holding their end up as well.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Leon said:

    You find a dead dog and you think it's a treat?
    Dead rat mate
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394

    I would suggest that Japan and South Korea - neither of which are either NATO nor Anglosphere are very much holding their end up as well.
    Japan drive on the left :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394

    Albania, former Stalinist/Maoist/Hoxhaist dictatorship is, much to my surprise, a NATO member.
    Germany, former Kaiserist autocracy and later National Socialist dictatorship is also a NATO member!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    They may have not left Russia, but consumer goods company Procter & Gamble is increasing prices tomorrow…..

    By 43%

    https://twitter.com/girkingirkin/status/1503412565170401280?s=21
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,966
    An employee on Russia’s state Channel One television has interrupted the channel’s main news programme with an extraordinary protest against Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Marina Ovsyannikova, an editor at Channel One, burst on to the set of the live broadcast of the nightly news on Monday evening, shouting: “Stop the war. No to war.”

    She also held a sign saying: “Don’t believe the propaganda. They’re lying to you here.” It was signed in English: “Russians against the war”.

    The news anchor continued to read from her teleprompter speaking louder in an attempt to drown out Ovsyannikova, but her protest could be seen and heard for several seconds before the channel switched to a record segment.

    Ovsyannikova also released a pre-recorded video on her social media channels in which she expressed her shame at working for Channel One and spreading “Kremlin propaganda”.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    kle4 said:

    I'm embarrassed I didn't spot the potpourri gag. When one fails like that it means the other absorbs their PB power, like Highlander. Use it well.
    "There can be only Pun!"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    Leon said:

    You find a dead dog and you think it's a treat?
    "Just eat"
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    IanB2 said:

    It would be better, I think, if Europe pulled together and became able to look after our own defence, but your fundamental point is sound. I was thinking at the weekend how different the world would feel if, say, America as the technological, economically and militarily dominant power were the fascist dictatorship and, say, Russia as the weaker power were the bastion of democracy on whom we depended. Not a happy place to be.
    The point is that global hegemony of any stripe makes it not a very comfortable place to be, though I agree that it is made more palatable if the hegemon has the trappings of Western democracy. The 19th century had a panoply of powers, large, small, medium, land powers, sea powers etc. Britain was a leading power, but never a global hegemon, and much as I am a fan of us, had we been, we may also have been unbearably exploitative - power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The 19th century saw unparalleled peace, prosperity, and human advancement.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited March 2022

    I would suggest that Japan and South Korea - neither of which are either NATO nor Anglosphere are very much holding their end up as well.
    To an extent but as you say they are not in NATO nor are they in the AUKUS security agreement either
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,975
    from Helsingin Sanomat on Finnish president Sauli Niinistö's interview with Christiane Amanpour for CNN in London after briefing Boris Johnson and Nordic leaders:

    1) Putin wants recognition that Crimea is part of Russia.

    2) Putin wants the Donbas to be considered part of Russia. Putin interprets the Donbass region broadly - separatist areas alone are not enough.

    3) Putin wants Ukraine demilitarized. Niinistö did not reveal in detail what this would mean in practice. It has been interpreted in the past that Putin would seek to destroy Ukraine's military infrastructure.

    4) Ukraine will be made a neutral country. It should therefore not join NATO or the European Union.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,138
    "US astronaut’s family in tears amid fears son could be left in space"

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/russia-mark-vande-hei-nasa-astronaut-stranded-space-ukraine-b987771.htm
  • IanB2 said:

    An employee on Russia’s state Channel One television has interrupted the channel’s main news programme with an extraordinary protest against Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Marina Ovsyannikova, an editor at Channel One, burst on to the set of the live broadcast of the nightly news on Monday evening, shouting: “Stop the war. No to war.”

    She also held a sign saying: “Don’t believe the propaganda. They’re lying to you here.” It was signed in English: “Russians against the war”.

    The news anchor continued to read from her teleprompter speaking louder in an attempt to drown out Ovsyannikova, but her protest could be seen and heard for several seconds before the channel switched to a record segment.

    Ovsyannikova also released a pre-recorded video on her social media channels in which she expressed her shame at working for Channel One and spreading “Kremlin propaganda”.

    Russian twitter thread about her translated..

    Pavel Chikov
    @pchikov
    Who is this star of the First Channel? She must be protected urgently.

    Marina Ovsyannikova, editor of the First Channel. Detained, taken to the Ostankino police station. Went lawyer Daniil Berman

    there will be a protocol on the fashionable article on military censorship 20.3.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses for discrediting the Russian armed forces

    The Ostankino police station does not have it. The police will apparently hide Marina from her lawyer.




    Marina Ovsyannikova can be held by the police for more than 3 hours only in two cases: registration of a protocol under the "arrest" article of the Code of Administrative Offenses - petty hooliganism (Article 20.1) or disobedience to the requirements of a police officer (Article 19.3) detention on suspicion of committing a crime1️⃣2️⃣

    Article 20.3.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses on discrediting the armed forces, which appeared on March 4 and has already been applied at least 164 times in Russia for anti-war slogans, implies only punishment in the form of a fine. It does not allow the police to hold Ovsyannikova for more than three hours.

    ❗️Marina Ovsyannikova is in the duty part of the Ostankino television center, - says lawyer Daniil Berman. He is not allowed to visit her. At the television center there are several police cars of the Internal Affairs Department of the North-Eastern Administrative District of Moscow.

    https://twitter.com/pchikov/status/1503447201858691076
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,612

    Great. Just great.



    Allie Hodgkins-Brown
    @AllieHBNews
    ·
    17m
    Tuesday’s FINANCIAL TIMES: “China signalled willingness to provide Russia with military support, says US” #TomorrowsPapersToday

    Let's impose sanctions on China and stop importing their plastic tat.

    Mind, the west has turned a blind eye to their behaviour in Tibet, HK, etc, so I am not holding my breath.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,044
    HYUFD said:

    No it isn't, a technical solution can be used in Ireland
    That is what is happening. You can even read the EU's own proposal for the techincal solution here (https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf)

  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    My advice, as armchair strategist, is to distract Putin with another proxy war, whilst he is getting bogged down in Ukraine. Find some new breakaway republic to back, or something.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,538

    Germany, former Kaiserist autocracy and later National Socialist dictatorship is also a NATO member!
    That was a bit longer ago. Someone of my age would have spent the first 26 years of their life under Stalinism (broadly defined)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502
    Andy_JS said:
    I recently read Tim Peake's book Ask An Astronaut (it's very good, by the way).

    He covered many things regarding complications with space flight and all the dangers. He didn't cover the scenario facing Vande Hei.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,973
    A
    darkage said:

    My advice, as armchair strategist, is to distract Putin with another proxy war, whilst he is getting bogged down in Ukraine. Find some new breakaway republic to back, or something.

    Wasn't that what Japan was up to a few days ago?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092

    Visegrád 24
    @visegrad24
    ·
    47m
    Bayer has threatened to suspend crop supply sales to Russia unless the country stops its attacks on Ukraine.

    The German drug and agrochemical conglomerate, a leading seed and crop treatment supplier, said it is considering halting the sale of essential farming inputs to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1503475625792786436
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,538
    darkage said:

    My advice, as armchair strategist, is to distract Putin with another proxy war, whilst he is getting bogged down in Ukraine. Find some new breakaway republic to back, or something.

    Indeed. A second/third front would be great. Maybe if the Ukrainians can find and kill Kadyrov the Chechens will kick off again.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    edited March 2022

    Indeed. A second/third front would be great. Maybe if the Ukrainians can find and kill Kadyrov the Chechens will kick off again.
    Yay, more death!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,158
    Andy_JS said:
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  • glwglw Posts: 10,306
    Andy_JS said:

    China claims that not a single person in their country has died of Covid-19 since April 2020. The number has been stuck on 4,636 since then.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Last time I could be arsed to check I think I calculated (sub-back of a envelope level accuracy) that China was effectively claiming to have done 20 times better than even New Zealand. Hmmm. Very hmmm.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    darkage said:

    My advice, as armchair strategist, is to distract Putin with another proxy war, whilst he is getting bogged down in Ukraine. Find some new breakaway republic to back, or something.

    They may not necessarily need our encouragement. Huge, diverse country with a collapsing economy, decimated military and an autocratic government losing control? Sounds ripe for rebellion.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,538

    Yay, more death!
    That's how you win wars, I'm afraid.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    Bleak reading.



    Putin and Xi Jinping Flirt With the Attractions of a Wider European War

    "The new threat to Europe is that in going for broke, Putin might try to widen the conflict on the Hitlerian assumption that the best way to retrieve a massive strategic blunder is to make another one somewhere else; throwing all the cards in the air to see if a better hand is available when they land. "


    "In essence, Putin seems to be flirting with the idea of a greater European war since he cannot see how to win the one he has already started. "


    https://tippingpoint2020s.com/2022/03/14/putin-and-xi-jinping-flirt-with-the-attractions-of-a-wider-european-war/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    IshmaelZ said:
    Usual MSM garbage - https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/after-two-weeks-of-war-the-international-space-station-flies-on/

    In addition, SpaceX has something close to launch on demand - With their current cadence there is a rocket on the pad being prepped for a flight nearly continuously.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,306

    Usual MSM garbage - https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/after-two-weeks-of-war-the-international-space-station-flies-on/

    In addition, SpaceX has something close to launch on demand - With their current cadence there is a rocket on the pad being prepped for a flight nearly continuously.
    Musk would love to launch a rescure mission, maybe that's why he's offering to fight Putin?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,966

    Russian twitter thread about her translated..

    Pavel Chikov
    @pchikov
    Who is this star of the First Channel? She must be protected urgently.

    Marina Ovsyannikova, editor of the First Channel. Detained, taken to the Ostankino police station. Went lawyer Daniil Berman

    there will be a protocol on the fashionable article on military censorship 20.3.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses for discrediting the Russian armed forces

    The Ostankino police station does not have it. The police will apparently hide Marina from her lawyer.




    Marina Ovsyannikova can be held by the police for more than 3 hours only in two cases: registration of a protocol under the "arrest" article of the Code of Administrative Offenses - petty hooliganism (Article 20.1) or disobedience to the requirements of a police officer (Article 19.3) detention on suspicion of committing a crime1️⃣2️⃣

    Article 20.3.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses on discrediting the armed forces, which appeared on March 4 and has already been applied at least 164 times in Russia for anti-war slogans, implies only punishment in the form of a fine. It does not allow the police to hold Ovsyannikova for more than three hours.

    ❗️Marina Ovsyannikova is in the duty part of the Ostankino television center, - says lawyer Daniil Berman. He is not allowed to visit her. At the television center there are several police cars of the Internal Affairs Department of the North-Eastern Administrative District of Moscow.

    https://twitter.com/pchikov/status/1503447201858691076
    She’s not going to be seen again while Putin is still around. Hopefully he’ll be gone and she’ll be released eventually. As she says in her video, “they can’t put everyone in prison”.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667

    Evening folks.

    Well, signed up for the official Government refugee system today saying we have space in our house for a couple of Ukrainians so we will see what happens next.

    A few thoughts on the process.

    The introductory pages seem to be unnecessarily convoluted to actually get to the sign up page. I assume this is because they want to make sure everyone has properly absorbed the implications of signing up but it didn't seem immediately obvious where to go to get to the bit where you fill out your details. At one point I did find that clicking buttons which were supposed to get me to the forms put me back to the start again.

    Secondly the forms themselves are very straight forward and easy to complete. A good thing and well done.

    Thirdly - and my main criticism - is the idiotic decision that initially you will only be able to host someone who is not your relative if you have independently made contact with them through social media. as it stands you have to be able to name the person or persons you are expecting to host. Now I know a couple of people professionally in Ukraine but none of them are interested in being given safe haven. They are too busy trying to kick the Russians out of their country. So for now there seems to be no way to link up ourselves as people wiling to host refugees with Ukrainians who need refuge.

    This seems to me to be a particularly daft system and one that - since it relies on social media contacts - seems rife for the less scrupulous including traffickers to take advantage. The Government must have a list of those they have already accepted for entry to the UK so why not just assign people as necessary.

    I will keep you informed of developments.

    Anyone else signed up yet who can compare notes and thoughts?

    Well done Richard. My landlady has tried, but the website seemed to be down - she'll have another go in a couple of days. She was confused by the term "sponsor" - thought it meant someone had to vouch for her.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    IanB2 said:

    She’s not going to be seen again while Putin is still around. Hopefully he’ll be gone and she’ll be released eventually. As she says in her video, “they can’t put everyone in prison”.
    He can actually. In the NK sense of RU is becoming one massive open prison.
  • Re election, it will be between a majority and a Hung Parliament. If polls show even a slim majority Johnson goes for it I reckon
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Bleak reading.



    Putin and Xi Jinping Flirt With the Attractions of a Wider European War

    "The new threat to Europe is that in going for broke, Putin might try to widen the conflict on the Hitlerian assumption that the best way to retrieve a massive strategic blunder is to make another one somewhere else; throwing all the cards in the air to see if a better hand is available when they land. "


    "In essence, Putin seems to be flirting with the idea of a greater European war since he cannot see how to win the one he has already started. "


    https://tippingpoint2020s.com/2022/03/14/putin-and-xi-jinping-flirt-with-the-attractions-of-a-wider-european-war/

    Though also suggests the sanctions imposed by the West on Russia may have put Xi off invading Taiwan
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 162
    darkage said:

    My advice, as armchair strategist, is to distract Putin with another proxy war, whilst he is getting bogged down in Ukraine. Find some new breakaway republic to back, or something.

    What are the Tartars up to these days? They seem the obvious choice.
  • HYUFD said:

    We are in the middle of the greatest European crisis since WW2. The idea Johnson will call a general election now or before 2024 is ludicrous and certainly not on current polling
    2023 seems likely
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    HYUFD said:

    We are in the middle of the greatest European crisis since WW2. The idea Johnson will call a general election now or before 2024 is ludicrous
    Exactly.

    Seems unlikely it will be over before the end of 2022 and indeed could well be far far worse by then.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    glw said:

    Musk would love to launch a rescure mission, maybe that's why he's offering to fight Putin?
    It's more about how fucked in the head Dmitry "I'm Fucked In De head" Rogozin is when he is on/off his pills.

    It is interesting ho quiet Musk has been on twitter - apart from the Starlink offer to Ukraine.

    - Russian space program fall down, go doom
    - Everyone round the world is queuing up to see if Musk has spare launches
    - Half his American rivals were using Russian/Ukrainian stuff
    - Sue Origin still can't make rocket engines.
    - Boeing still can't fly a capsule.

    Quite a lot of people are speculating that SpaceX will fly OneWeb satellites, just for the LOLs, and being able to tell the anti-trust lawyers to sit and spin....

    The real problem is that if the Russians turn off the system that de-saturates the orientation gyros for ISS, then the station loses attitude control fairly rapidly. It's in the Russian segment of ISS.....
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432

    Re election, it will be between a majority and a Hung Parliament. If polls show even a slim majority Johnson goes for it I reckon

    I can’t see Johnson going early unless there is a substantial poll lead, and even then the ghost of 2017 will loom large. Same applies if Johnson is replaced. It’s not as if there isn’t a decent majority to do stuff, if only the world would stop throwing curve balls all the time...
  • HYUFD said:

    To an extent but as you say they are not in NATO nor are they in the AUKUS security agreement either
    You really are out of touch if you think that AUKUS would take action without the approval and engagement of South Korea and Japan
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,092
    Presumably if China supplies Russia, the
    West would have to think about onshoring some of the lost manufacturing capability (hopefully not just the cheap tat..)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    President Biden’s national security adviser met with a top Chinese official on Monday to warn against China giving Russia military or economic assistance, as the Kremlin struggles with the aftermath of its invasion of Ukraine.

    NY Times blog
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302

    President Biden’s national security adviser met with a top Chinese official on Monday to warn against China giving Russia military or economic assistance, as the Kremlin struggles with the aftermath of its invasion of Ukraine.

    NY Times blog

    I don't really see what would be in it for the Chinese to get involved in any way at all. Can't they just sit it out and then buy up Russian assets at knockdown prices?
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303

    Re election, it will be between a majority and a Hung Parliament. If polls show even a slim majority Johnson goes for it I reckon

    Either a majority or a hung parliament are the only two options available: who do you think will have the majority?
  • 2023 seems likely
    Only after boundary changes
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236

    Well done Richard. My landlady has tried, but the website seemed to be down - she'll have another go in a couple of days. She was confused by the term "sponsor" - thought it meant someone had to vouch for her.
    No I read that to mean that we as the hosts are 'sponsoring' the Ukrainians by providing them with accommodation etc and helping them find work, schooling, getting onto the local Health system etc.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,966
    HYUFD said:

    We are in the middle of the greatest European crisis since WW2. The idea Johnson will call a general election now or before 2024 is ludicrous and certainly not on current polling
    So it’s ludicrous in principle, but all your posts contain the vital point that really it’s about self-interest
  • 43,000 applications for Gove's sponsorship scheme received by 9.00pm tonight
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,371
    MISTY said:

    Johnson's luck is astounding.

    Ukraine has enabled him to get beyond partygate, keep covid blunders out of the headlines, turn immigration around from a very unpromising place, bury tax rises and find an excuse to finesse energy policy beyond net zero.

    And then there's inflation......Food prices? Petrol costs? Vlad's fault guvnor.

    Its almost tailor made.
    Just as Brexit saved him from 2 years of bad Brexit's-not-working headlines!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    Russia’s suggested peace terms (reported upthread via the Helsinki newspaper) are interesting, I note that they wish Ukraine not to join EU.

    Opportunity for UK and Ukraine to craft some kind of extra-EU sphere, perhaps along with EFTA.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Noticing more Johnson on here and less Boris. The war effect? Whatever, good to see.
  • Just as Brexit saved him from 2 years of bad Brexit's-not-working headlines!
    Do you not mean covid ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302

    Russia’s suggested peace terms (reported upthread via the Helsinki newspaper) are interesting, I note that they wish Ukraine not to join EU.

    Really? They've kept that wish very quiet. If only they'd done something to show how much they hated the idea.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    kinabalu said:

    Noticing more Johnson on here and less Boris. The war effect? Whatever, good to see.

    It's your imagination.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    IanB2 said:

    She’s not going to be seen again while Putin is still around. Hopefully he’ll be gone and she’ll be released eventually. As she says in her video, “they can’t put everyone in prison”.
    Stalin had a good go. Anyone who might be a threat anyway.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,953

    No I read that to mean that we as the hosts are 'sponsoring' the Ukrainians by providing them with accommodation etc and helping them find work, schooling, getting onto the local Health system etc.

    Well done, and thank you. I'd love to take someone in, but my place only has one bedroom.
    kle4 said:

    I don't really see what would be in it for the Chinese to get involved in any way at all. Can't they just sit it out and then buy up Russian assets at knockdown prices?
    I think China is perhaps the only economy that can withstand autarky. We could be witnessing the end of globalization, a model which the West depends on for its prosperity. At the moment, we're bankrupting Russia. But if this escalates, we could end up bankrupt as well. For that reason, it may benefit China to pour a little petrol on the fire.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    To placate Russia I suggest Ukraine join the European Union of European Union Allies. Who could object to joining the EUEUA?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    You really are out of touch if you think that AUKUS would take action without the approval and engagement of South Korea and Japan
    Depends what it was, if China ever threatened Australia it would
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    kle4 said:

    Really? They've kept that wish very quiet. If only they'd done something to show how much they hated the idea.
    Despite your sarcasm, I don’t think they’d spelled it out before.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369
    kinabalu said:

    Noticing more Johnson on here and less Boris. The war effect? Whatever, good to see.

    Not a good time to have a Russian name I guess. Although, if you're going to fund your party with shed loads of roubles from dodgy oligarchs then calling yourself "Boris" at least has the benefit of consistency.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    kinabalu said:

    Noticing more Johnson on here and less Boris. The war effect? Whatever, good to see.

    Boris will be Boris.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    kyf_100 said:

    Well done, and thank you. I'd love to take someone in, but my place only has one bedroom. I think China is perhaps the only economy that can withstand autarky. We could be witnessing the end of globalization, a model which the West depends on for its prosperity. At the moment, we're bankrupting Russia. But if this escalates, we could end up bankrupt as well. For that reason, it may benefit China to pour a little petrol on the fire.
    The Chinese model of economic growth is very dependent on cheap exports to the US and Europe.

    If demand for that falls it hits them too
  • eekeek Posts: 29,537
    Sizewell b to continue for another 20 years (if possible)

    https://www.ft.com/content/51d4ff8c-f0c0-4082-8db6-11c031be1420
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    kinabalu said:

    Noticing more Johnson on here and less Boris. The war effect? Whatever, good to see.

    You can’t win. Call him Boris - people complain. Call him Johnson - people complain. Perhaps there should be some pb approved list for what name we can use to refer to politicians?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    kle4 said:

    I don't really see what would be in it for the Chinese to get involved in any way at all. Can't they just sit it out and then buy up Russian assets at knockdown prices?
    They will be able to buy Russia for 10 cents on the dollar by Easter.

    Crazy to side with Russia. Why chain yourself to a corpse?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302

    Despite your sarcasm, I don’t think they’d spelled it out before.
    Without the sarcasm, that's nonsense. They've repeatedly demanded 'neutrality' including through a change to the constitution, which is required as it apparently currently references seeking membership of the EU and NATO.

    So whether it is something Ukraine could accept or not, Russia very much have spelled it out before in unambiguous terms. Here they did it 8 days ago (including the rather laughable comment that Ukraine can live as it wants, but only under conditions Russia imposes, ie not as it wants)

    https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-will-stop-moment-if-ukraine-meets-2022-03-07/

    On the issue of neutrality, Peskov said: "They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc."
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667

    No I read that to mean that we as the hosts are 'sponsoring' the Ukrainians by providing them with accommodation etc and helping them find work, schooling, getting onto the local Health system etc.

    Yes, that's my understanding too. But perhaps it will confuse some - maybe "hosting" gets the sense closer. Anyway, it's all good.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    The latest pretend we care scam from no 10 is this ludicrous new scheme . Instead of a simple system to match people they force the public to have to name those they want to sponsor . Thereby making sure less Ukrainians come to the UK .

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302

    You can’t win. Call him Boris - people complain. Call him Johnson - people complain. Perhaps there should be some pb approved list for what name we can use to refer to politicians?
    Or, people call them whatever they like without anyone complaining. If someone wants to go with Bojo or Bozo that's fine too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    Foxy said:

    They will be able to buy Russia for 10 cents on the dollar by Easter.
    Maybe we should do it that instead.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902

    You really are out of touch if you think that AUKUS would take action without the approval and engagement of South Korea and Japan
    The new president in South Korea seems quite keen on improving somewhat frosty relations with Japan, and leaning away from China and towards the alliance with the US.
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/South-Korea-election/How-Yoon-may-shift-South-Korean-foreign-policy-5-things-to-know

    HYUFD seems to have little clue.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    kle4 said:

    To placate Russia I suggest Ukraine join the European Union of European Union Allies. Who could object to joining the EUEUA?

    I return to my proposal that it replace Scotland in the U.K. when it leaves, and we get the President as PM.
  • How many half giraffes can you fit in a double decker bus?

    "Asteroid half the size of a giraffe strikes Earth off the coast of Iceland – just two HOURS after it was discovered by astronomers"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10610491/Asteroid-half-size-giraffe-strikes-Earth-coast-Iceland.html
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    kle4 said:

    It's your imagination.
    That's what I thought at first! But no, I did the audit, checked against my records, and there are no less than THREE posters just on the latter part of this thread who usually do B but have switched to J. It's quite striking. And I really hope I haven't now jinxed it. Won't forgive myself if I have.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432

    How many half giraffes can you fit in a double decker bus?

    "Asteroid half the size of a giraffe strikes Earth off the coast of Iceland – just two HOURS after it was discovered by astronomers"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10610491/Asteroid-half-size-giraffe-strikes-Earth-coast-Iceland.html

    What a weird size descriptor!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited March 2022

    Yes, I think that NZ used it’s natural advantages well. Yes they have restricted access to outsiders, but I suspect for many it’s been a price worth paying. They are now having plenty of cases but not much death, although it might seem like it to them.
    I would say though, that contrary to some people’s ideas, we could never have adopted a similar strategy in the U.K.
    Agreed on both counts. NZ has had an excellent pandemic overall - and including - the omicron wave. Which makes Ardern’s current strategy all the more nonsensical: it’s winding up New Zealanders who can see that passports to buy a cup of tea and draconian travel restrictions on countries with lower covid rates demonstrably do not work, and are - to put it mildly - a huge PITA.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,693
    HYUFD said:

    The Chinese model of economic growth is very dependent on cheap exports to the US and Europe.

    If demand for that falls it hits them too
    I think China is on the wrong path. It’s slowed down then ceased its decades long path towards being a globally integrated market economy in favour of cronyism, state capture and the chilling wind of autocracy. The way it has hollowed out Hong Kong is totally self destructive. Plus demography is not on its side, and I don’t get the sense it will ever embrace full throttle immigration and multiculturalism.

    It will remain powerful, probably increasingly militarily so, but I’m not convinced it will ever be as rich as Europe or the US.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520

    Boris will be Boris.....
    Well you're hard core. Anything from your end is a bonus.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    How many half giraffes can you fit in a double decker bus?

    "Asteroid half the size of a giraffe strikes Earth off the coast of Iceland – just two HOURS after it was discovered by astronomers"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10610491/Asteroid-half-size-giraffe-strikes-Earth-coast-Iceland.html

    If you’ve got the Olympic size swimming pool number, I have a conversion table.
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