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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Do you have a "legal" name? Not sure it is a concept in English law. You can call yourself what you like.
    People execute deeds poll (a deed poll being simply a deed with only one party to it) to change their name. You can indeed call yourself what you like but if you want a passport your name has to match up with a birth certificate and if it doesn't you need a marriage certificate or deed to bridge the gap

    It was believed when I was at school that you could change the names you were christened with by being confirmed under different ones. No idea if this is true
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    kyf_100 said:

    Indeed. And for the masochists among you, it is also the birthplace of Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, from which the kink derives its name.

    Legend has it, when he left the city, his friends had a whip-round.
    On a more sober note, it has long been a great centre of learning.
    This guy studied there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin
  • Andy_JS said:

    What's the significance?
    Defection maybe but Sky reporting it would suggest they are monitoring it
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    IshmaelZ said:

    People execute deeds poll (a deed poll being simply a deed with only one party to it) to change their name. You can indeed call yourself what you like but if you want a passport your name has to match up with a birth certificate and if it doesn't you need a marriage certificate or deed to bridge the gap

    It was believed when I was at school that you could change the names you were christened with by being confirmed under different ones. No idea if this is true
    I know someone who claimed that she did just that, but I can't confirm that it is actually legal.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    @bigjohnowls please explain? Starmer net positive approval, almost overtaking Sunak?

    3pt leads mid term is a losing position IMO Something called swingback

    I know you think SKS is next PM so we must wait for Election night to see who is right.

    My prediction as i have stated several times is

    1. Labour will do significantly worse than 2017 and marginally better than 2019

    2, IMO Labour will get less seats than 2015 and 2017 but a few more than 2019

    3. Starmer will get nowhere near the number of votes of 2017 and will get well under the 40% Jezza got

    Not sure if you are willing to give us your predictions for the next GE ?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Andy_JS said:

    They kept saying how they'd worked for the intelligence services, albeit a long time ago. I'm pretty sure most people who'd worked for them wouldn't say so on a public forum.
    It sounded like that they had a civil service job with some very vague connection to the intelligence services (as many civil service jobs do), which they tried to make sound more significant than it actually was. We are all guilty of this kind of exaggeration sometimes.

    What I would say is that people who have significant jobs in any part of the government would be very careful not to give any hint of their position, in a forum like PB. When you are out of the game however, it is a bit different.
  • Fishing said:

    He is young. He was promoted wildly above his ability and experience when Javid unexpectedly quit, and then bought popularity with hundreds of billions of public money. But he might get another chance several years hence.
    Boris will be gone sooner or later and Rishi will be a candidate in his succession

    The idea he has blown it is hyperbole
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    Sky reporting Abramovich private jet seen flying towards Turkey

    I think the appropriate terrace chant is "Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio......"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295

    I agree. She was a hardline mask-wearer (which I wouldn't have thought a bot would care about) and shifted from prewar dove to hawk once war was unleashed, but she's not alone in that. She had to put up with quite a bit of abuse and some pearl-clutching (probably a lesbian! said someone derisively) and I think was more sinned against than sinning. Certainly didn't seem to be a troll, and usually interesting; if she's still around I hope she'll come back. I don't really care if she's actually Russian, so long as she's an interesting Russian.
    Indeed. It would actually be nice to think Russians still have access to PB
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302

    Indeed. It really isn't that surprising given that statistic.

    Quite extraordinary how China has completely and utterly fubared this.
    I cannot imagine they mind anything that humbles Hong Kong and gives them excuse to control it tightly for as long as they want.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    dixiedean said:

    Is it?
    Tbh. Until reading this thread I hadn't clocked Heathener as a she.
    I don't know about 'she' - could be - but more just the style and content of the posts. Quite lurid, always taking an extreme position but not in any predictable 'left v right' or 'leave v remain' way. In any case, Mystic Rose retread or not, male or female, it's no way a bot imo, Russian or any other.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,384


    Indeed. It really isn't that surprising given that statistic.

    Quite extraordinary how China has completely and utterly fubared this.

    In NZ, the outcomes are as you might expect – and NZ has been supremely successful overall – the chief problem there is mindset, hence why Jacinda is now in trouble in the opinion polls.

    Jacinda Ardern's main problem has been the escalating cost of fuel. In a country far more dependent on the car even then the UK, rising petrol and diesel prices have caused a real backlash to which her Government has responded (quite adroitly it seems) by a cut in fuel excise duty (take note, Rishi !!)

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300540834/the-politics-of-petrol--fuel-excise-cut-just-the-start-in-wider-inflation-war

    Luxon's National Party are offering the usual centre-right nonsense about cutting taxes without quite explaining how that helps alleviate inflation. NZ has a big problem when it comes to importing certain goods and the transportation of goods round that vast country.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303

    3pt leads mid term is a losing position IMO Something called swingback

    I know you think SKS is next PM so we must wait for Election night to see who is right.

    My prediction as i have stated several times is

    1. Labour will do significantly worse than 2017 and marginally better than 2019

    2, IMO Labour will get less seats than 2015 and 2017 but a few more than 2019

    3. Starmer will get nowhere near the number of votes of 2017 and will get well under the 40% Jezza got

    Not sure if you are willing to give us your predictions for the next GE ?
    Suggesting that Labour will do better than 2019 has to be as close to a sure thing as you can get on this site I would say.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    edited March 2022
    Fishing said:

    He is young. He was promoted wildly above his ability and experience when Javid unexpectedly quit, and then bought popularity with hundreds of billions of public money. But he might get another chance several years hence.
    Maybe, but a man of his background sticking around for a long time if Labour do win the next election? Cannot see it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    darkage said:

    It sounded like that they had a civil service job with some very vague connection to the intelligence services (as many civil service jobs do), which they tried to make sound more significant than it actually was. We are all guilty of this kind of exaggeration sometimes.

    What I would say is that people who have significant jobs in any part of the government would be very careful not to give any hint of their position, in a forum like PB. When you are out of the game however, it is a bit different.
    But did she say which countries intelligence service? 🤔
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520

    Same applies to a lesbian, surely.
    The only person I've ever disliked on account of their sexuality was someone in a discussion group who prefaced every remark with 'speaking as a gay man'. Even when there was no conceivable association between anyone's sexuality and the subject of discussion.
    That does sound quite annoying.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Sky just announced that BP's move away from Russia will cost them many billions and is their defence against any windfall tax

    Are they not reporting PBs move away from Russian Trolls?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    FF43 said:

    Tactless of India to be quite so blatant in their sanctions busting. They are supposed to be a trusted partner, blah blah...
    Terrible advert for the symbolic value of the Commonwealth.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Could Boris conceivably call a quasi-Khaki Election in 2022?

    As with Salisbury's Conservative-Liberal Unionist alliance that won the original Khaki Election in 1900, Boris's Conservative & Unionist Party will almost certain need to time any such electoral gambit this year, to occur BEFORE the end of the War (Boer then, Ukrainian today).

    Personally think proper atmosphere AND timing are less propitious and likely harder for Tories this millennium than last. But who knows?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785

    Terrible advert for the symbolic value of the Commonwealth.
    Or the Anglosphere. Or is it only white countries that are considered anglosphere?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914
    edited March 2022

    ...

    Lord Astor applies here.
    BP to suffer significant financial repercussions in selling their 19.75% stake in Rosneft and is to write down $25 billion at the end of the first quarter of 2022

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/27/bp-exiting-its-1975-shareholding-in-russian-oil-giant-rosneft?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,953
    Nigelb said:

    On a more sober note, it has long been a great centre of learning.
    This guy studied there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin
    Yes, it is a city with an extraordinarily rich history and has been on my "places I'd love to visit some day" list for absolutely ages. Quite a lot of Jewish history in Ukraine, too, which can get overlooked.

    Still hoping I get to visit one day.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785

    Could Boris conceivably call a quasi-Khaki Election in 2022?

    As with Salisbury's Conservative-Liberal Unionist alliance that won the original Khaki Election in 1900, Boris's Conservative & Unionist Party will almost certain need to time any such electoral gambit this year, to occur BEFORE the end of the War (Boer then, Ukrainian today).

    Personally think proper atmosphere AND timing are less propitious and likely harder for Tories this millennium than last. But who knows?

    Not sure it would do him much good. At best he has clawed back to a modest Labour lead, with the polls seeming to put Starmer in Downing St, albeit in a rather unstable minority government.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394

    3pt leads mid term is a losing position IMO Something called swingback

    I know you think SKS is next PM so we must wait for Election night to see who is right.

    My prediction as i have stated several times is

    1. Labour will do significantly worse than 2017 and marginally better than 2019

    2, IMO Labour will get less seats than 2015 and 2017 but a few more than 2019

    3. Starmer will get nowhere near the number of votes of 2017 and will get well under the 40% Jezza got

    Not sure if you are willing to give us your predictions for the next GE ?
    Three months and 8 days since the last Tory poll lead.

    @bigjohnowls please explain
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520

    Good shout, both early morning, quite long posters that came across as trying that bit too hard to be contrarian (as in the word, not the poster).
    It's my absolute specialty, picking up them 'back with a new name' posters. :smile:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    kinabalu said:

    It's just Mystic Rose back with a new name, isn't it?
    Surely posters don’t come back with new names? I’m shocked to the core of my being.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    What happened re: Heathener?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Suggesting that Labour will do better than 2019 has to be as close to a sure thing as you can get on this site I would say.
    Politics is a strange beast. I guess I am in the minority thinking Labours % of the vote will be much closer to 2019 than 2017.

    I just feel SKS will struggle to motivate voters at thr next GE so will do poorly compared to the current wisdom on here

    I have been wrong before and could be again but overall i am well in profit in political betting terms and will be laying Labour next time
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    Foxy said:

    Or the Anglosphere. Or is it only white countries that are considered anglosphere?
    I’d ask Dan Hannan on twitter but the wee snowflake has blocked me.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    I've read with interest the commentary on Heathener and for some reason it's prompted me to de-lurk and offer my £0.02.

    The overriding reason why I have considered PB as essential reading for many years is the sheer breadth of views and political knowledge on show BTL. Yes, the headers are of a very good standard, and there are some fantastic betting tips exchanged, but PB.com is all about the BTL commenters, and their diversity of strongly held opinions.

    As a result, I always feel a bit of discomfort when somebody "leaves" to great cheers from the BTL masses - even when, as was the case with Heathener, I can't think of a single thing that they've typed that I've come close to agreeing with.

    Politics is a tribal pursuit, so it should come as no surprise that the vast majority of us commenters are also tribal in our own politics. When you get a situation where 95% of us belong in the same tribe, it can get pretty ugly for those other 5%. This is a case in point - we're almost all in the Putin is a bad 'un/we must help Ukraine tribe, of course we are, so every time somebody raises a counter-argument the 95% descend like a pack of hyenas. Supporters of Donald Trump will have had a very similar experience. Maybe even supporters of Johnson in recent months.

    Personally, I tend to see things in shades of grey rather than in black and white. Examples - has Brexit turned out 100% well or 100% badly, or is the reality that there's elements of both? Does the fact that Donald Trump is a pretty odious character in many ways mean that he can't be right on anything? On this topic, does the fact that Vladimir Putin is a seriously odious character in almost every way, and what he's doing in the Ukraine is 100% wrong preclude us from examining whether some Western policies have inadvertently pushed us towards this point? Does the fact that the vaccines have undoubtedly done much to reduce the severity of the pandemic and helped give us a route out preclude us from questioning the motivations of big pharma and any potential side effects?

    There has been a tendency, both here and in the wider world, to insist that everybody not only agrees with the prevailing view, but accepts it unquestioningly and in full. Even raising any of the points above could get me labelled a Trumpite, anti-vax right wing Putin apologist. Many of us have pulled HYUFD up when he's told a conservative voter that they've unfortunately only got 90% on the HYUFD purity test and therefore they're not a conservative - but is that not what many people are doing on some of the subjects above?

    As I say, just my two penneth. This is still my favourite place to get my current affairs commentary from, because of the breadth of views, even the extreme ones around the edges that I probably disagree with. If this site ever ditches unfashionable views and becomes an echo chamber, it would be a very sad day.

    I don't think Heathener has left though. They haven't been banned. It has emerged that they are posting from a compromised PC, and their response was that they are doing so to protect someone close to power: an intriguing situation. Everyone is waiting to see what happens next.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Three months and 8 days since the last Tory poll lead.

    @bigjohnowls please explain
    Its mid term Boris has been up to his neck in Parties and Russian Billionaires

    If you think a 3pt lead is a good reason why SKS will be next PM you should explain so we can all take advantage of your political wisdom
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Stocky said:

    No, I saw your hint about this the other day but don't buy this one despite your legendary powers .....

    Mystic Rose used to irritate me at times but this other poster is genuinely unpleasant in my view and Mystic Rose was never that. She used to go on about her literary prowess and trips to the Far East and stuff. Libdem activism too.
    I'm only 70% on it. Eg I don't recall that libdem activism with MR. So that's a point if you're remembering right. Which I guess you are, being one.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,137
    "Boycott of Russian gas and oil ‘could cause mass poverty in Germany’
    Minister warns an immediate stop to supplies could hurt Germany’s population more than Putin"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/14/russian-gas-oil-boycott-mass-poverty-warns-germany
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    UK cases by specimen date

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  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    I cannot imagine they mind anything that humbles Hong Kong and gives them excuse to control it tightly for as long as they want.
    Plan is to demote Hong Kong from international commercial center, to gambling - tourist - shady business hub for China, the Las Vegas of the East.

    With PRC Secret Police instead of Nevada Gaming Commission ruling the roost.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    UK R

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    kinabalu said:

    It's my absolute specialty, picking up them 'back with a new name' posters. :smile:
    Pretty sure I’ve got one wriggling in the catch net at the moment.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    I’d ask Dan Hannan on twitter but the wee snowflake has blocked me.
    Is India primarily English speaking? I don't think so. I would include places like South Africa and Nigeria as part of the Anglosphere, but not India.
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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    Case summary

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    Aslan said:

    Is India primarily English speaking? I don't think so. I would include places like South Africa and Nigeria as part of the Anglosphere, but not India.
    I think it’s in the top 5 countries for numbers of English speakers.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017

    Pretty sure I’ve got one wriggling in the catch net at the moment.
    The return of Bluest Blue?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    kyf_100 said:

    Yes, it is a city with an extraordinarily rich history and has been on my "places I'd love to visit some day" list for absolutely ages. Quite a lot of Jewish history in Ukraine, too, which can get overlooked.

    Still hoping I get to visit one day.
    A lot of interesting places in Ukranian Subcarpathia, best known to Diplomacy players as Galicia. I hope to get there at some point, but hard to see it being soon.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    Hospitals

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    Deaths

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    Age related data

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  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Just received notice from my mobile service provider that my Social Security Number has been compromised. I wonder if this is part of a broader Russian hack attack, or just something random.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785

    Its mid term Boris has been up to his neck in Parties and Russian Billionaires

    If you think a 3pt lead is a good reason why SKS will be next PM you should explain so we can all take advantage of your political wisdom
    It's a substantially bigger lead than Corbyn managed at either election.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    I think it’s in the top 5 countries for numbers of English speakers.
    Sure, and London comes very high in the list of French speakers, but I still wouldn’t class it as very French. % of total means a lot more than absolute numbers.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Andy_JS said:

    "Boycott of Russian gas and oil ‘could cause mass poverty in Germany’
    Minister warns an immediate stop to supplies could hurt Germany’s population more than Putin"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/14/russian-gas-oil-boycott-mass-poverty-warns-germany

    True or otherwise it would be better not to say so publicly. Putin needs to know there are further consequences if he does something abominable.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,272
    kinabalu said:

    I'm only 70% on it. Eg I don't recall that libdem activism with MR. So that's a point if you're remembering right. Which I guess you are, being one.
    She played some role in election campaign for a local candidate (in Scotland I think) but then used to drive me crazy with stuff which a die-hard Labourite would say. (Thinking about it, is Mystic Rose RochdaleP??)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    COVID summary

    - Cases up. R has flattened out at 1.3 across the UK. Interestingly, R by age group is showing rises for the 0-14 groups. Vaccination, once again, is key.
    - Hospital admissions up.
    - MV beds flat
    - In hospital up
    - Deaths continuing to fall, but at a slowing rate. Looks like it will go flat below 100 per day

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    edited March 2022

    The return of Bluest Blue?
    No, that is I don’t think it’s Bluestblue.
    His disappearance coinciding with BJ’s reputation taking a nosedive was pretty hilarious, definitely causation not correlation.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394

    I think it’s in the top 5 countries for numbers of English speakers.
    Hint: How many Bollywood films are produced in English?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,966
    edited March 2022

    Good shout, both early morning, quite long posters that came across as trying that bit too hard to be contrarian (as in the word, not the poster).
    And both are some of the least mystic people going, whose predictions are abysmal.

    But there is still the question of the spammer IP address. A VPN wouldn’t give you that?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Aslan said:

    Is India primarily English speaking? I don't think so. I would include places like South Africa and Nigeria as part of the Anglosphere, but not India.
    Yes, it's one of 2 official languages along with Hindi. Bloody everyone speaks it.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,272

    The return of Bluest Blue?
    @BluestBlue was one of my favourite posters - sadly missed - I've tried to rattle his cage with a couple of PMs but to no avail.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    Aslan said:

    Is India primarily English speaking? I don't think so. I would include places like South Africa and Nigeria as part of the Anglosphere, but not India.
    Nigeria only 18% speak English as a first language
    SA only 9.3% speak English as a first language
    India less than 0.1%
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Bill news.

    Lords wrecking amendment thrown out 292-217 by the Commons. Back to the Lords now to see if they insist (based on the Third Reading debate I doubt they will).

    FTPA's days are numbered...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    TimT said:

    Just received notice from my mobile service provider that my Social Security Number has been compromised. I wonder if this is part of a broader Russian hack attack, or just something random.

    Unlikely that your mobile provider has any knowledge of your social security number.

    This crap really does come from Russia.

    Russian person, fuck off.

    (Unfair though it may be.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Foxy said:

    Or the Anglosphere. Or is it only white countries that are considered anglosphere?
    On the strictest definition, the core Anglosphere is only the UK, USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere#:~:text=The Anglosphere is a group,diplomatic and military co-operation.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    biggles said:


    The end of mining in the East Mids (and the ex-miners dying off)?
    Given the lead expands from 2015 to 2017 so much, can anyone help me think of a political event that happened in 2016 that could explain this?

    Cheers in advance.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Could Boris conceivably call a quasi-Khaki Election in 2022?

    As with Salisbury's Conservative-Liberal Unionist alliance that won the original Khaki Election in 1900, Boris's Conservative & Unionist Party will almost certain need to time any such electoral gambit this year, to occur BEFORE the end of the War (Boer then, Ukrainian today).

    Personally think proper atmosphere AND timing are less propitious and likely harder for Tories this millennium than last. But who knows?

    Not unless the Tories get a big poll lead no
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    IshmaelZ said:

    Yes, it's one of 2 official languages along with Hindi. Bloody everyone speaks it.
    Only 0.06% as a first language.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    IshmaelZ said:

    Yes, it's one of 2 official languages along with Hindi. Bloody everyone speaks it.
    If by everyone you mean 10%, I'd agree.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited March 2022

    Terrible advert for the symbolic value of the Commonwealth.
    India and most of the Commonwealth were neutral even in the Cold War.

    It is NATO that contains Russia, not the Commonwealth
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    HYUFD said:

    On the strictest definition, the core Anglosphere is only the UK, USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere#:~:text=The Anglosphere is a group,diplomatic and military co-operation.
    And Ireland - 93% speak English as a first language (UK only 92%).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    Andy_JS said:

    "Boycott of Russian gas and oil ‘could cause mass poverty in Germany’
    Minister warns an immediate stop to supplies could hurt Germany’s population more than Putin"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/14/russian-gas-oil-boycott-mass-poverty-warns-germany

    As I noted at the outset of this crisis.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017
    Stocky said:

    @BluestBlue was one of my favourite posters - sadly missed - I've tried to rattle his cage with a couple of PMs but to no avail.
    My complete guess is he is already back, although being more serious and this time skipping the hyper partisan Boris is a God posts.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    And on topic, of which there is only one today, you know what they say there's only one thing worse than....
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    edited March 2022
    I think people under-estimate how toxic some of Labours post-2015 positions were in places which were massively-Leave and, perhaps more distantly, still remember and memorialise victims of bombing campaigns.

    That's before you get to the economic drivers of people moving from the very centre to better-off suburbs and outlying towns, buying houses and setting up their own businesses.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited March 2022

    And Ireland - 93% speak English as a first language (UK only 92%).
    Ireland can also be included but is not automatically in the core 5.

    It includes close military, diplomatic, economic and historic ties not just ties of language
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    IanB2 said:

    And both are some of the least mystic people going, whose predictions are abysmal.

    But there is still the question of the spammer IP address. A VPN wouldn’t give you that?
    No, a real VPN wouldn't.

    Apparently it was the address of a compromised machine. @Heathener 's explanation that she was using an compromised machine as a DIY VPN is... interesting.

    It's the internet equivalent hiding your identity by wearing a balaclava, when walking down the road. It attracts attention....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Only 0.06% as a first language.
    That's minus payload, of course.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    For a related example, there was a Sikh protest in the Jewellery Quarter in December 2020. Every other vehicle was either an expensive car or a trade van. That's increasingly the case of the Midlands.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    HYUFD said:

    Ireland can also be included but is not automatically in the core 5
    Anglosphere, % speaking English as a first language:

    Ireland 93.2%
    UK 92.3%
    NZ 85.9%
    USA 78.1%
    Aus 72.7%
    Can 54.4%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    Farooq said:

    Only about 10% of Indians speak English at all, and that's STILL more English speakers than the whole of the UK.
    The UK's place in the Anglosphere is pretty marginal. A cul-de-sac of a suburb of a backwater town.
    Only 0.06% of Indians speak English as a first language, unfortunatement.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Anglosphere, % speaking English as a first language:

    Ireland 93.2%
    UK 92.3%
    NZ 85.9%
    USA 78.1%
    Aus 72.7%
    Can 54.4%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
    As I said language is NOT the sole criteria, that is the Anglophone nations.

    The Anglosphere also includes close military, political, economic and diplomatic ties
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,876

    For a related example, there was a Sikh protest in the Jewellery Quarter in December 2020. Every other vehicle was either an expensive car or a trade van. That's increasingly the case of the Midlands.

    Hitting the sweet spot between higher rates of pay and still affordable housing would be my summary.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TimT said:

    If by everyone you mean 10%, I'd agree.
    Everybody foreigner-facing.

    I don't see that the Anglosphere is primarily defined by language anyway. Even if it is, having English as an *official* language is fairly persuasive
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617

    My complete guess is he is already back, although being more serious and this time skipping the hyper partisan Boris is a God posts.
    At least it was a righty that left (I wish he'd return also). More usually it is a lefty who decides it's not worth banging their heads against a brick wall having fallen foul of the well off perhaps retired male white Anglo Saxon I live in a big house with a charming garden what's all the fuss about PB contingent.

    Which is quite large.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    IshmaelZ said:

    Everybody foreigner-facing.

    I don't see that the Anglosphere is primarily defined by language anyway. Even if it is, having English as an *official* language is fairly persuasive
    Hint: how many Bollywood films are produced in English?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,137
    "'Three British ex-special forces troops are feared to have died in Russian airstrike near Polish border'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10611833/Three-British-ex-special-forces-troops-feared-died-Russian-airstrike.html
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    To sit behind his golden desk in his golden palace?
    FWIW, CPA 10 are the counter terrorism unit in the French air force.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    edited March 2022

    Anglosphere, % speaking English as a first language:

    Ireland 93.2%
    UK 92.3%
    NZ 85.9%
    USA 78.1%
    Aus 72.7%
    Can 54.4%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
    How bloody big is Quebec and/or how many First Nations languages are there is only 54.4% of Canadians speak English as a first language?

    I do like the Netherlands, where apparently 90.9% speak English, all as an additional language - that is some impressive schooling. (Unsurprisingly the Nordic countries are similar)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Only 0.06% of Indians speak English as a first language, unfortunatement.
    Malheureusely.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,384


    Politics is a strange beast. I guess I am in the minority thinking Labours % of the vote will be much closer to 2019 than 2017.

    I just feel SKS will struggle to motivate voters at thr next GE so will do poorly compared to the current wisdom on here

    I have been wrong before and could be again but overall i am well in profit in political betting terms and will be laying Labour next time

    I think using the hindsight of past Parliaments is uniquely unwise given everything that has and is happening. We have seen two transformative events since December 2019 and the repercussions of these are still playing out. There may be no "swingback" as it is traditionally known or it may be huge.

    I have genuinely no clue what is going to happen in one month let alone twenty six and the world outlook is now far different from how it looked when all we worried about was Brexit.

    The one thing of which I'm pretty sure is this was not what Johnson imagined governing would be like on the night of December 12th 2019.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,990
    Hmm, my gas and electric monthly DD has just doubled.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083
    kle4 said:

    How bloody big is Quebec and/or how many First Nations languages are there is only 54.4% of Canadians speak English as a first language?
    21% of Canadians are immigrants, which may have some bearing on it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785

    And Ireland - 93% speak English as a first language (UK only 92%).
    But not the West Indies. I wonder why.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited March 2022
    kle4 said:

    How bloody big is Quebec and/or how many First Nations languages are there is only 54.4% of Canadians speak English as a first language?
    83% of Canadians speak English on that link
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    Farooq said:

    Countries by number of English speakers [top 5]:
    USA 316,000,000
    India 194,000,000
    Pakistan 102,000,000
    Nigeria 178,000,000
    Philippines 64,000,000

    Weird.. feels like there's some country missing from this list..
    That includes people wot DON'T speak it as a FIRST language!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083

    Hmm, my gas and electric monthly DD has just doubled.

    Ouch.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    Andy_JS said:

    "'Three British ex-special forces troops are feared to have died in Russian airstrike near Polish border'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10611833/Three-British-ex-special-forces-troops-feared-died-Russian-airstrike.html

    I can imagine that there is a large number of retired HMF personnel who got down and dirty in Iraq and Afghan and who have grown restless with these recent years of peace.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    dixiedean said:

    Hitting the sweet spot between higher rates of pay and still affordable housing would be my summary.
    Loads more of it being built as well. Just like in certain parts of the North East.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    Andy_JS said:

    "'Three British ex-special forces troops are feared to have died in Russian airstrike near Polish border'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10611833/Three-British-ex-special-forces-troops-feared-died-Russian-airstrike.html

    Well, they are ex now....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    TOPPING said:

    As I noted at the outset of this crisis.
    It's why if there were going to be any measures at all they needed to be implemented quickly whilst people are still angry enough.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    HYUFD said:

    83% of Canadians speak English as their first language on that link
    WRONG, that is total speakers (54.4% first plus 28.7% second language).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    edited March 2022
    HYUFD said:

    83% of Canadians speak English on that link
    You seem to have missed a critical word in my sentence. Or rather you misread it, and have now amended, but that now doesn't make sense as a response to what I posted.

    Look, I looked at the wrong column too initially, it's ok.
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