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  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    stodge said:

    Another Conservative supporter bleating on about what the Opposition would or wouldn't have done had they been in charge.

    The fact is (and this may come as a surprise) - the Conservative Party won the last GE, they are the Government and it is therefore them and their decisions in Government we are holding to account and scrutiny.
    If you're replacing a government, "this government bad" isn't enough - you have to compare it to what the alternative would have done.

    In the case of Covid, the first year of the pandemic would have been almost identical under Labour. The second year would have been far, far worse.
  • And yet what? The attack line is "would have stayed in the EU vaccinations programme which means we wouldn't have developed the vaccine."

    That categorically isn't true. The medic (I forget her name) who personally signed off the vaccine said so directly at a Downing Street press conference.

    That the EU has become a totemic issue isn't in question. But EU Vaccines = no vaccine is just incorrect. Wrong. A lie.
    We’d have developed the vaccine - but having handed procurement over to the EU would have got it slower - remember when the EU tried to slow down our vaccine roll out by two months so they could speed up by a week?

    And then Starmer would have slowed down vaccination of oldies in favour of school staff - against scientific advice:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55828160
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,101

    Well, he's ignorant about one thing. Six months non-means-tested unemployment benefit is still available, under the name JSA, and it was never "no questions asked", the legislation says you have to be available for and actively seeking work and as long as I can remember it has been the Jobcentre's role to enforce it. I know it's not central to his argument, but if he's wrong about one simple thing it hardly gives you confidence.
    John available and actively seeking work is a joke
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733

    Things can be a both/and rather than an either/or.

    Depending upon their personal views some people want to blame the government for things which other organisations shared the mistake or praise the government for things which other organisations shared the correct decision.

    And that can be taken down to the next level - for example the decision whether to have a lockdown for Omicron had both supporters and opponents within the government.
    I’m not clear what all of that means.
    What’s certain is that the discharge policy was a clear national instruction to discharge patient into care homes irrespective of their infection status, as I documented here at the time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    Of course, we don't know what he says to Chinese passengers.
    “Fuck off you chiselling bastards”, probably, but in Sinhalese or Tamil so they don’t understand

    Anti-Chinese sentiment here is widespread and fervent. The Sri Lankans feel their corrupt government has basically sold the whole country into debt bondage to China

    I have no idea how much of this is true, but I have heard this opinion everywhere


    “Sri Lankans who once embraced Chinese investment are now wary of Chinese domination”

    That’s a headline BEFORE Covid fucked the economy

    https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-sri-lanka-port-2017-story.html
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,101
    edited February 2022
    DavidL said:

    The acceptance that Scotland will have to pay its own pensions is roughly £8.5bn that was apparently not in Kate Forbes' sums. To put that into context it is £1600 per annum for every man, woman, whatever other category the SNP want to invent and child in the country.

    To suggest that certain costs don't count because they get paid out of the block grant in the context of independence is, frankly, bizarre. I note that he also ignores the cost of health and social care. I also disagree with him that the rUK would continue to pay pensions for those still in work where there is a fund but I do agree that those funds would have to be split with Scotland getting a share.

    The fundamental problem is highlighted by some of the figures in that response. Scotland pays roughly 6.6% of the UK's IT (and an even smaller proportion of its CT) but has 8% of the population. The issue is not whether an independent Scotland can pay pensions on independence but at what rate we can pay them. And the answer is that even if we do not lose some of our existing businesses in finance and a number of our HRTs (which we will) Scotland would need to cut public spending by roughly 20% to balance the books. And that will include pensions.
    We pay it already David , or did you miss that part, and as he says with many never making it we woudl actually be a lot better off not having to pay for the pampered south who live much longer as a consequence.
    Unionists just cannot accept facts, they prefer the too wee too poor mince every time.
    PS: You are turning into Carlotta.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited February 2022
    Ukraine: Scholz plans to appeal to Putin in last-ditch diplomatic push

    https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1492847946081226756
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    Leon said:

    “Fuck off you chiselling bastards”, probably, but in Sinhalese or Tamil so they don’t understand

    Anti-Chinese sentiment here is widespread and fervent. The Sri Lankans feel their corrupt government has basically sold the whole country into debt bondage to China

    I have no idea how much of this is true, but I have heard this opinion everywhere


    “Sri Lankans who once embraced Chinese investment are now wary of Chinese domination”

    That’s a headline BEFORE Covid fucked the economy

    https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-sri-lanka-port-2017-story.html
    The debt they took on was certainly a mistake, and the was probably China’s fault as much as theirs. There’s no doubt about who benefited.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/sri-lanka-appeals-to-china-to-ease-debt-burden-amid-economic-crisis
    … China accounted for about 10% of Sri Lanka’s $35bn foreign debt to April 2021, government data shows. Officials said China’s total lending could be much higher when taking into account loans to state-owned enterprises and the central bank.

    Sri Lanka has borrowed heavily from China for infrastructure, some of which ended up as white elephants. Unable to repay a $1.4bn loan for a port construction in southern Sri Lanka, Colombo was forced to lease the facility to a Chinese company for 99 years in 2017.…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062
    OllyT said:

    My point was that Johnson barely got more votes than May 2 years earlier. He is not the fantastic vote magnet you keep trying to tell us is.
    The 1.2% swing to the Tories from 2017 to 2019 Johnson got was enough to get the small Tory majority needed to deliver Brexit on its own.

    Even if there had been zero swing from Labour to LD from 2017 to 2019 at all amongst Remainers who disliked Corbyn
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,101
    Nigelb said:

    Versus US English, I think, malcolm.
    Which is widespread elsewhere (almost universal in S Korea, for instance).
    There are hundreds of different English accents though. I have never heard of a British English one. Next he will be saying we have a British Scottish accent or a British Welsh accent
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Eabhal said:

    What's so interesting is that Scotland earns and pays tax at a similar rate as the UK.

    The problem is with expenditure. And even then, Scotland's deficit has only diverged from the rest of the UK's since about 2012 - and that gap continued to grow pre-Covid.

    2010 the Tories came in. In 2011 we elected a majority SNP government. And held a referendum in 2014. It's all very arguable whose fault it is.
    Fault is really irrelevant to the independence question. And the difference between 6.6% and 8% is not small.

    The main cause of the growth in the gap is the reducing contribution of the North Sea. If you go back far enough Scotland was paying more than its fair share of the tax. But what we are seeing now is the reality that an independent Scotland would face and it would be tough. Not third world poverty or anything, but seriously tougher than we have right now.

    For me, the only question is how do we reverse this dependence on England whether we remain a part of the UK or go independent? How do we create an economy that can pay for the high public spending we think we need or deserve? It is the same issue of levelling up that Gove is wrestling with in the north of England and it is not a simple problem. Sadly, the SNP have no interest in answering that question.
  • Leon said:

    Because my older daughter has done REALLY well in her mocks and I want to take her somewhere special during half term, as a present. She’s earned it
    You are too soft! I just told my daughter that she would have to keep working hard so she could do equally well in her actual exams. Mind you, even our mediocre half term plans fell through thanks to Covid, so perhaps it's as well that I take this Calvinist kind of approach to parenting. Enjoy your half term.
  • Nigelb said:

    I’m not clear what all of that means.
    What’s certain is that the discharge policy was a clear national instruction to discharge patient into care homes irrespective of their infection status, as I documented here at the time.
    Implemented across all 4 administrations, so presumably in line with and not against advice?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Seeing as it’s 'relaxed Sunday' I’ve done another ‘woke joke’ for the Board. My last one was bad and got rightly slagged but I think this one is better. It also has the benefit of being a 100% true story. Apols for length and please skip if not in the mood. :smile:

    So in the changing room after my swim yesterday a screw came off my glasses and the left lens dropped out. It didn’t smash, thankfully, but the screw is miniscule and it wasn’t apparent where it’d had gone. An emergency because I can’t drive home safely with only one lens in, furthermore these are my favourite specs, the lennon photochromics I only got recently.

    What the hell to do? Well I first of all got down on all fours and systematically patted around the floor until I located the screw. People were watching but I managed to block them out and concentrate. Took about 10 minutes, a pretty long 10 minutes given the circumstances. Anyway, got it, and then came the more difficult task. Resting the glasses in my lap I had to slot the lens into precisely the correct position and, keeping it there, somehow insert this tiny little screw into where it’s meant to go, and then, still balancing everything just so, tighten it up using my nail - 3 separate manoeuvres, all incredibly fiddly and all requiring great focus and dexterity. Not made easier by the fact I’d cut my nails on Thursday.

    Again and again I’d get close but fail. I’d have the lens in but not the screw. Or the screw would go in and the lens would pop out. Or, most tantalizing scenario of all, lens and screw both perfectly in but my free finger lodged at an angle that didn’t allow me to do any tightening. Time passed, people came and went, and still I sat there, hunched up, intent on fixing these glasses, needing to fix them, simply not taking no for an answer. At one point, would you believe, the screw escaped and, almost weeping with frustration, I had to repeat the crawling around on the floor performance.

    Finally finally it all clicked. Best part of an hour but we’re there. Lens in, screw in, screw tightened to the max, glasses sorted and back on face, able to get dressed and leave. And here’s the point and why I’m relating this in such excruciating detail - what I noticed as I was driving home is I felt a million dollars. Why? Because I’d done something of genuine merit, something I knew most people wouldn’t have accomplished because they’d have lost their rag with it and given up. It’s been years since I’d had that feeling and it brought home to me how beneficial it is to a person, doing things which stretch them. Certainly I was now resolved to carry on in this vein. There’d be no sliding back into my old comfort zone. It was just a matter of what the next challenge would be.

    Fortunately I didn’t have to wait long to find one. My wife, openly impressed after listening to my tale, had the idea for it herself. “Why don’t you,” she said, “start cleaning the bathroom instead of always expecting me to do it?”
  • malcolmg said:

    There are hundreds of different English accents though. I have never heard of a British English one. Next he will be saying we have a British Scottish accent or a British Welsh accent
    I think most people would use the term to refer to a Received Pronunciation or "BBC English" accent, as it used to be called. Which is presumably an English accent.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,101
    Eabhal said:

    What's so interesting is that Scotland earns and pays tax at a similar rate as the UK.

    The problem is with expenditure. And even then, Scotland's deficit has only diverged from the rest of the UK's since about 2012 - and that gap continued to grow pre-Covid.

    2010 the Tories came in. In 2011 we elected a majority SNP government. And held a referendum in 2014. It's all very arguable whose fault it is.
    Bollox, the expenditure is just made up, those clowns do not have a clue what it is spent on , they just allocate all of the debt to Scotland. Only a halfwitted moron would believe that all the money borrowed is for Scotland.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited February 2022
    A nest of singing birds:

    The people around Keir Starmer have no political vision other than 'attack and humiliate the left'. That's a tragedy for Labour, but above all, it's a tragedy for the country.

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1492849276552110083
  • DavidL said:

    Fault is really irrelevant to the independence question. And the difference between 6.6% and 8% is not small.

    The main cause of the growth in the gap is the reducing contribution of the North Sea. If you go back far enough Scotland was paying more than its fair share of the tax. But what we are seeing now is the reality that an independent Scotland would face and it would be tough. Not third world poverty or anything, but seriously tougher than we have right now.

    For me, the only question is how do we reverse this dependence on England whether we remain a part of the UK or go independent? How do we create an economy that can pay for the high public spending we think we need or deserve? It is the same issue of levelling up that Gove is wrestling with in the north of England and it is not a simple problem. Sadly, the SNP have no interest in answering that question.
    It's the same question perhaps but the problem is worse in most parts of Northern England and in Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland is one of the parts of the UK that is less dependent on London/SE cash.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    There is no Civil Service pension fund, it is a pay as you go scheme. It is "notionally funded" ie they work out contributions based on current and future liabilities as if there were a fund. I presume military pensions are paid on the same basis.
    Indeed but there are schemes that are at least partly funded for LG and education (or at least some parts of it).
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    malcolmg said:

    Part 2..........

    Can Scotland afford the State Pension? The answer is Yes and we can use the Brit Nat bible of the GERS date to show that.

    That should have been at the start of part 1 not part 2, it would have saved some reading.

  • malcolmg said:

    PS: You are turning into Carlotta.
    And in Scotland it will be on his her say so, thanks to your government.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,644
    edited February 2022
    Applicant said:

    If you're replacing a government, "this government bad" isn't enough - you have to compare it to what the alternative would have done.

    In the case of Covid, the first year of the pandemic would have been almost identical under Labour. The second year would have been far, far worse.
    You simply cannot say that with any certainty, Applicant.

    It's a reasonable assumption but it doesn't matter anyway because, as Stodge indicated, they were not the Government. You don't excuse Chamberlain's policy of Appeasement on the grounds that the opposition would have done likewise, if not more so. You don't excuse Blair's Iraq policy because the opposition Party was even more gung-ho than his own.

    You judge the Government of its day on its merits.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    Ukraine: Scholz plans to appeal to Putin in last-ditch diplomatic push

    https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1492847946081226756

    Buried at the bottom of that report is a prediction of five MILLION refugees, if Russia properly invades

    Jesus
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    malcolmg said:

    We pay it already David , or did you miss that part, and as he says with many never making it we woudl actually be a lot better off not having to pay for the pampered south who live much longer as a consequence.
    Unionists just cannot accept facts, they prefer the too wee too poor mince every time.
    PS: You are turning into Carlotta.
    You're double counting Malcolm, as does he. The £8.5bn we pay now reflects the fact that Scots on average die significantly earlier. If we lived as long as those in the south we would be paying a lot more. So this is not a gain that comes on independence, it is already reflected in the figures that we use.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159
    malcolmg said:

    Bollox, the expenditure is just made up, those clowns do not have a clue what it is spent on , they just allocate all of the debt to Scotland. Only a halfwitted moron would believe that all the money borrowed is for Scotland.
    Well don't quote GERS then.

    If I were the SNP I'd push wind really, really hard. Effective during this period of high energy costs.

    - Announce levy on all Scottish electricity that is exported to RUK/ROW.
    - Kick up a fuss when Whitehall blocks it
    - Announce open season for offshore wind in Scotland, sign agreements with EU(Germany) for export with Scots levy if independent
    - Show how this makes Scotland incredibly rich (doesn't have to be strictly accurate)
    - Section 30. Force denial, create lots of drama
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Leon said:

    Buried at the bottom of that report is a prediction of five MILLION refugees, if Russia properly invades

    Jesus
    That's always been the issue and that is why we have an interest. That would cause economic chaos across the EU and we would have problems too.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    malcolmg said:

    There are hundreds of different English accents though. I have never heard of a British English one. Next he will be saying we have a British Scottish accent or a British Welsh accent
    No, a Scottish English or Welsh English accent. In this context, English is the language...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited February 2022
    Brit/US fearmongering:

    GERMANY'S VICE CHANCELLOR HABECK SAYS WE MAY BE ON THE VERGE OF WAR IN EUROPE - RTL/NTV

    https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1492849124160729089
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    Brit/US fearmongering:

    GERMANY'S VICE CHANCELLOR HABECK SAYS WE MAY BE ON THE VERGE OF WAR IN EUROPE - RTL/NTV

    https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1492849124160729089

    I for one have enjoyed the roughly 36 hours between the end of the last apocalypse - plague - and the arrival of the next horseman - war
  • Leon said:

    Buried at the bottom of that report is a prediction of five MILLION refugees, if Russia properly invades

    Jesus
    And they'll all make straight for Primrose Hill, Leon.

    Sure you want to get on that plane?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    You simply cannot say that with any certainty, Applicant.

    It's a reasonable assumption but it doesn't matter anyway because, as Stodge indicated, they were not the Government. You don't excuse Chamberlain's policy of Appeasement on the grounds that the opposition would have done likewise, if not more so. You don't excuse Blair's Iraq policy because the opposition Party was even more gung-ho than his own.

    You judge the Government of its day on its merits.
    And at an election you choose a government between the two options provided. A general election isn't solely a referendum on the preceding four or five years.

    It's more than just "a reasonable assumption", too. It's crystal clear from everything that Labour spokespeople said that they would have implemented every disastrous restriction the government did, and many more that the government didn't.
  • kinabalu said:

    Seeing as it’s 'relaxed Sunday' I’ve done another ‘woke joke’ for the Board. My last one was bad and got rightly slagged but I think this one is better. It also has the benefit of being a 100% true story. Apols for length and please skip if not in the mood. :smile:

    So in the changing room after my swim yesterday a screw came off my glasses and the left lens dropped out. It didn’t smash, thankfully, but the screw is miniscule and it wasn’t apparent where it’d had gone. An emergency because I can’t drive home safely with only one lens in, furthermore these are my favourite specs, the lennon photochromics I only got recently.

    What the hell to do? Well I first of all got down on all fours and systematically patted around the floor until I located the screw. People were watching but I managed to block them out and concentrate. Took about 10 minutes, a pretty long 10 minutes given the circumstances. Anyway, got it, and then came the more difficult task. Resting the glasses in my lap I had to slot the lens into precisely the correct position and, keeping it there, somehow insert this tiny little screw into where it’s meant to go, and then, still balancing everything just so, tighten it up using my nail - 3 separate manoeuvres, all incredibly fiddly and all requiring great focus and dexterity. Not made easier by the fact I’d cut my nails on Thursday.

    Again and again I’d get close but fail. I’d have the lens in but not the screw. Or the screw would go in and the lens would pop out. Or, most tantalizing scenario of all, lens and screw both perfectly in but my free finger lodged at an angle that didn’t allow me to do any tightening. Time passed, people came and went, and still I sat there, hunched up, intent on fixing these glasses, needing to fix them, simply not taking no for an answer. At one point, would you believe, the screw escaped and, almost weeping with frustration, I had to repeat the crawling around on the floor performance.

    Finally finally it all clicked. Best part of an hour but we’re there. Lens in, screw in, screw tightened to the max, glasses sorted and back on face, able to get dressed and leave. And here’s the point and why I’m relating this in such excruciating detail - what I noticed as I was driving home is I felt a million dollars. Why? Because I’d done something of genuine merit, something I knew most people wouldn’t have accomplished because they’d have lost their rag with it and given up. It’s been years since I’d had that feeling and it brought home to me how beneficial it is to a person, doing things which stretch them. Certainly I was now resolved to carry on in this vein. There’d be no sliding back into my old comfort zone. It was just a matter of what the next challenge would be.

    Fortunately I didn’t have to wait long to find one. My wife, openly impressed after listening to my tale, had the idea for it herself. “Why don’t you,” she said, “start cleaning the bathroom instead of always expecting me to do it?”

    The tiny packs of screwdrivers which are sometimes found in Christmas crackers can be very useful for repairs to glasses.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    Brit/US fearmongering:

    GERMANY'S VICE CHANCELLOR HABECK SAYS WE MAY BE ON THE VERGE OF WAR IN EUROPE - RTL/NTV

    https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1492849124160729089

    Maybe it would have been idea to issue some economic threats with teeth before we got to this point? Dumb, self-centered Krauts.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    And they'll all make straight for Primrose Hill, Leon.

    Sure you want to get on that plane?
    A couple of million hard working young Ukrainian waitresses might actually be a benefit to the UK economy. And Primrose Hill

    Bit of a shame for the Ukraine though
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    And they'll all make straight for Primrose Hill, Leon.

    Sure you want to get on that plane?
    They absolutely will not. The vast majority of refugees end up in our poorest areas, particularly NE England.

    NE England
    NW
    Yorks
    West Mid
    London
    Wales
    Scotland
    East Mid
    NI
    East
    SW
    SE
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Here is some advice from a Syrian to Ukrainians on tips and tricks for surviving war. Gives you a taste of what European weakness will be costing a European people bordering Poland.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sqozyc/to_ukrainian_citizens/
  • Leon said:

    A couple of million hard working young Ukrainian waitresses might actually be a benefit to the UK economy. And Primrose Hill

    Bit of a shame for the Ukraine though
    I was going to make a similar point myself but preferred the whimsical tease instead. Sadly, someone else took my post seriously. Sigh.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    I was going to make a similar point myself but preferred the whimsical tease instead. Sadly, someone else took my post seriously. Sigh.
    Ah woops
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317

    A nest of singing birds:

    The people around Keir Starmer have no political vision other than 'attack and humiliate the left'. That's a tragedy for Labour, but above all, it's a tragedy for the country.

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1492849276552110083

    Not like you to be celebrating Jones and Bastani. Whatever floats your boat.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,628
    Eabhal said:

    They absolutely will not. The vast majority of refugees end up in our poorest areas, particularly NE England.

    NE England
    NW
    Yorks
    West Mid
    London
    Wales
    Scotland
    East Mid
    NI
    East
    SW
    SE
    And if people dare to pipe up about their area becoming a dumping ground they’ll just be called racist by people whose wealthy areas are not dumping grounds.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    Hard to believe we are staring at a massive conventional war in Europe. Tanks and troops and the works

    Let us hope it is still, at this late stage, a kind of fever dream. I feel the Normalcy Bias rising inside, like reflux
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317
    HYUFD said:

    The Mau Mau did some pretty nasty stuff themselves
    Well that's OK then.

    I had an old colonial Kenyan teacher at Grammar School. She was quite keen to promote your narrative, but not the alternative.

    I dined at the Nairobi Club in 1988. Old colonial attitudes were certainly alive and well despite over 20 years of independence.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    Ominous




  • Leon said:

    Ominous




    British insurers are suspending coverage of Ukrainian airspace tomorrow.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Leon said:

    Hard to believe we are staring at a massive conventional war in Europe. Tanks and troops and the works

    Let us hope it is still, at this late stage, a kind of fever dream. I feel the Normalcy Bias rising inside, like reflux

    Hasn't this been the situation with Russia for at least 8 years though?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    British insurers are suspending coverage of Ukrainian airspace tomorrow.
    We'll know it's on when Netflix announce an embedded documentary team in 16 Air Assault Brigade.

  • Eabhal said:

    They absolutely will not. The vast majority of refugees end up in our poorest areas, particularly NE England.

    NE England
    NW
    Yorks
    West Mid
    London
    Wales
    Scotland
    East Mid
    NI
    East
    SW
    SE
    That's down to the welfare cap. It caps the amount of support that can be given to any family, including refugees, and the cap includes rent. So if you try to house a refugee family in an area with high rental costs they end up with about £10 per week to spend on everything apart from rent. And even with the PB Let Them Eat Lentils Poverty Cookbook to hand that's a stretch. So they get sent to the areas where the rent is consistent with the welfare cap, ie poor areas. It's not a conspiracy, it's just what happens when an overheated property market meets a miserly and inflexible welfare system.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810

    When it's just me and my wife getting a Bajaj in Sri Lanka our usual trick is for me to hide while my wife flags one down and agrees a price. Then I appear and they shake their head ruefully. Being British Sri Lankan with ropey Sinhala my wife gets charged about double the going rate, but with me in tow it's more like double that again. It's all done in good humour though.
    No, exactly, that's not a 'ripped off' feeling, is it. I'm a poor barterer myself. I like to either pay what's on the label or do the other extreme - come winging straight in with a 'best and final'. With small things I usually do the first and with big things the second.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    Fuck this shit. Soon as half term is over I’m going somewhere hot AGAIN
  • kinabalu said:

    No, exactly, that's not a 'ripped off' feeling, is it. I'm a poor barterer myself. I like to either pay what's on the label or do the other extreme - come winging straight in with a 'best and final'. With small things I usually do the first and with big things the second.
    Yes like you I am a bad barterer, I usually end up with a crushing feeling that I am so much better off than the other side, why am I even quibbling over small change. But even that makes me feel guilty because by overpaying you are distorting the prices for everyone else. First World problems, but in the third world, I suppose. In Sri Lanka at least I can usually leave it up to other people.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,338
    edited February 2022
    Leon said:

    Fuck this shit. Soon as half term is over I’m going somewhere hot AGAIN

    Kharkov?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    That's down to the welfare cap. It caps the amount of support that can be given to any family, including refugees, and the cap includes rent. So if you try to house a refugee family in an area with high rental costs they end up with about £10 per week to spend on everything apart from rent. And even with the PB Let Them Eat Lentils Poverty Cookbook to hand that's a stretch. So they get sent to the areas where the rent is consistent with the welfare cap, ie poor areas. It's not a conspiracy, it's just what happens when an overheated property market meets a miserly and inflexible welfare system.
    The benefit cap*

    Welfare cap is a limit on government expenditure, rather than on household benefit award.

    And this is a function of LHAs, BRMAs etc. As you say, it all depends on whether the family gets housing support through their UC award - I'm not sure whether that is the case for refugees who are often holed up in hotels.

    Note also that the BC is different in London, and mostly affects families with at least two children.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Leon said:

    I for one have enjoyed the roughly 36 hours between the end of the last apocalypse - plague - and the arrival of the next horseman - war
    Bloody hell - and after that Famine.

    Good job Mrs. P. is such a hoarder stocker-up of tins of beans etc.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317

    Sorry Nick, but that's bullshit. Pure and absolute bullshit. I feel bad using such language against you, but it needs saying.

    Putin has invaded Ukraine twice - the first time capturing very valuable territory, and the second with his surrogates getting bogged down. Saying we are 'poking' them when they have this track record, and he has moved massive numbers of troops to the border, is ridiculous.

    We have zero fault in this. The Russian supporters (or anti-western) people would see *anything* we said as 'poking'.

    As for why we should support Ukraine,:
    *) They got rid of their nukes in return international agreement for their protection.
    *) The right to self-determination.
    *) The Holodmor. Russia's behaviour wrt Ukraine has never been good (indeed, the same goes for other countries against Ukraine as well.)

    Russia is the aggressor here. Save your ire for them.
    Of course Russia is the aggressor.

    Nonetheless the West has emboldened Putin by doing sweet FA about Litvinenko, Crimea, Malaysian Flight 17, the Skripals or laundered Russian money in London, Paris and New York.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810

    I suspect there needs to be a critical mass of personal resentments and/or a critical mass of policy disagreements as well.

    With the first and possibly the second requiring many years to build up.

    Looking back they played a significant part in the removals of Thatcher and Blair.

    I wonder if Wilson would have been forced out before 1979 if he hadn't jumped first.
    Yes, don't know about Wilson. He was a master of party management but it was a precarious situation with the tiny majority and the various factions. As for Johnson, I do think it's mainly about the electoral calculus - he doesn't have any ideology really and neither does he inspire much personal loyalty. Most Tory MPs seem to either dislike or just tolerate him.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296

    Kharkov?
    Average high -0.8C in February. Might be a bit warmer next week though.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,644
    edited February 2022
    kinabalu said:

    No, exactly, that's not a 'ripped off' feeling, is it. I'm a poor barterer myself. I like to either pay what's on the label or do the other extreme - come winging straight in with a 'best and final'. With small things I usually do the first and with big things the second.
    Dr Henry Kissinger thought the Chinese were the best negotiators he ever encountered.

    Their method was to start by asking for ideally what they would like. When you demurred, they skipped straight to the minimum they would accept and didn't budge. The result was that deals were made quickly. You knew exactly what they had in mind and exactly what they would accept as a minimum. The trouble with the more conventional haggling approach was that you would gradually and slowly work towards a settlement but you never knew when you were there; the temptation was then to think you could always squeeze a bit more. This dragged things out and often led to a total breakdown.

    I've often applied this in my own minor negotiations. It's surprising how often you get what you ask for, and when I shift to my 'best offer' and it's rejected, walking away works a treat because you really mean it and it shows.
  • Leon said:

    Fuck this shit. Soon as half term is over I’m going somewhere hot AGAIN

    I am regretting being too lazy to go for a run at 9am. At least it's not too cold today.
  • There are only two possible negotiating positions for the SNP around the state pension liability:

    (1.) If we won’t pay it, will you?

    (2.) If we will pay it, what will you give us?

    The UK Government can only answer: *no* and *nothing*.

    Where does that leave the SNP policy?


    https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1492458567726735364
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829

    Sorry Nick, but that's bullshit. Pure and absolute bullshit. I feel bad using such language against you, but it needs saying.

    Putin has invaded Ukraine twice - the first time capturing very valuable territory, and the second with his surrogates getting bogged down. Saying we are 'poking' them when they have this track record, and he has moved massive numbers of troops to the border, is ridiculous.

    We have zero fault in this. The Russian supporters (or anti-western) people would see *anything* we said as 'poking'.

    As for why we should support Ukraine,:
    *) They got rid of their nukes in return international agreement for their protection.
    *) The right to self-determination.
    *) The Holodmor. Russia's behaviour wrt Ukraine has never been good (indeed, the same goes for other countries against Ukraine as well.)

    Russia is the aggressor here. Save your ire for them.
    Actually, I agree that we should support Ukraine against Russia if the latter invades. However, our support should be as a supplier, facilitator, trainer, etc., and should under no circumstances involve British military personnel or ordnance in the conflict.

    Every time there's a whiff of gunpowder in the air, the, the 'up boys and at 'em' tendency takes over the more suggestible posters on PB - one can only imagine how they'd feel if they had to do more than cheer on our brave boys from behind a keyboard in the Home Counties.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    Farooq said:

    Hell?
    Woe!.. Doom even! Alas!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    kinabalu said:

    No, exactly, that's not a 'ripped off' feeling, is it. I'm a poor barterer myself. I like to either pay what's on the label or do the other extreme - come winging straight in with a 'best and final'. With small things I usually do the first and with big things the second.
    Who the hell seriously haggles in a country as poor as Sri Lanka. I am pretty sure they are charging me twice or thrice the going rate. I just pretend to haggle - so everyone is happy - then agree to the absurd rate. It is still pennies. They are skint
  • Eabhal said:

    The benefit cap*

    Welfare cap is a limit on government expenditure, rather than on household benefit award.

    And this is a function of LHAs, BRMAs etc. As you say, it all depends on whether the family gets housing support through their UC award - I'm not sure whether that is the case for refugees who are often holed up in hotels.

    Note also that the BC is different in London, and mostly affects families with at least two children.
    Yes sorry, benefit cap. I am not all over the details, but I know the broad parameters of the issue as we are involved in a local group seeking to help house and integrate a refugee family locally. The person in our group who has gone through the details of what is available to the family tells us that realistically it's going to be hard to pay more than £1200-£1300 per month rent, which for a family of four means that it will be pretty much impossible to house them locally (in SE14/SE4/SE15) at market rents. So while we are trying to help house a family in London, it is obvious why most end up in places where rents are far lower. And while I would like the system to be more flexible, then people will ask why refugees are getting subsidised to live in expensive areas at the public expense. There are no easy answers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    A nest of singing birds:

    The people around Keir Starmer have no political vision other than 'attack and humiliate the left'. That's a tragedy for Labour, but above all, it's a tragedy for the country.

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1492849276552110083

    Shouldn't he be more concerned that it works? Thst the country seems to like it?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    Actually, I agree that we should support Ukraine against Russia if the latter invades. However, our support should be as a supplier, facilitator, trainer, etc., and should under no circumstances involve British military personnel or ordnance in the conflict.

    Every time there's a whiff of gunpowder in the air, the, the 'up boys and at 'em' tendency takes over the more suggestible posters on PB - one can only imagine how they'd feel if they had to do more than cheer on our brave boys from behind a keyboard in the Home Counties.
    I'm quite persuaded by the "second yellow card" approach to this.

    I still can't quite get over that Russia shot down a passenger jet and smeared a fucking nerve agent all over Salisbury and we still have people going with "poking the bear". It's telling that we give Putin more rope than poor Martinelli.

    Impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine and bomb anything that crosses the border - claim they are Russian backed "insurgents".
  • I see earlier our favourite turnip farmer was citing Dr Tim Ridout in defence of SINDY’s ability to easily pay pensions….

    Tim is reassured that an independent Scotland will have a £3 billion surplus to pay “other benefits”.

    Those “other benefits” currently cost £13 billion.

    Bonus point for understanding that the UK Government won’t pay, but really… this is just phenomenally stupid.


    https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1491127190838444034
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,553
    Leon said:

    Ok this is bonkers. My Uber driver is a half Croatian onetime futsal pro and he has just said something angry in Tamil and I used google translate and he said “I’d rather suck my dog’s pizzle than read another tedious story by that @kinabalu on the British political website political betting dot com run by Mike smithson from the Bedford Lib Dems”

    I actually translated it twice to make sure I hadn’t misheard

    I believe he comes here to be entertained by my awesome puns.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810

    The tiny packs of screwdrivers which are sometimes found in Christmas crackers can be very useful for repairs to glasses.
    Yes, I'd have given my right arm for one of them at the time. But you don't think to carry one around, do you?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,553
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, I'd have given my right arm for one of them at the time. But you don't think to carry one around, do you?
    Are you left handed?

    Because if not, giving up your right arm for a screwdriver would not have got you noticeably further forward.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    ydoethur said:

    Are you left handed?

    Because if not, giving up your right arm for a screwdriver would not have got you noticeably further forward.
    Very sinister.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,553
    Omnium said:

    Very sinister.
    I was thinking how I made a point with dexterity.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    I’m so bored of people constantly dissing China. They’ve built a magnificent expressway from my hotel, the Galle Face, to Colombo airport, enabling me to get there in about fifteen minutes

    Surely 3 decades of debt slavery is worth the extra airside drinking time this brings me?

    It’s even raised above the hovels so I can look down at their tiny picturesque Stone Age rooms with no running water, a bit like the westway where it goes over them caravans
  • Of course Russia is the aggressor.

    Nonetheless the West has emboldened Putin by doing sweet FA about Litvinenko, Crimea, Malaysian Flight 17, the Skripals or laundered Russian money in London, Paris and New York.
    Does anyone know what the economic effect of oligarch money actually is ?

    I imagine that there are various City fund managers, Rolls-Royce dealers, nouveau posho restaurants, footballers agents etc making good money from it.

    On the other hand out own poshos must be a bit put out if they're now outbid for Mayfair mansions.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    Leon said:

    I’m so bored of people constantly dissing China. They’ve built a magnificent expressway from my hotel, the Galle Face, to Colombo airport, enabling me to get there in about fifteen minutes

    Surely 3 decades of debt slavery is worth the extra airside drinking time this brings me?

    It’s even raised above the hovels so I can look down at their tiny picturesque Stone Age rooms with no running water, a bit like the westway where it goes over them caravans

    Your struggle for taxis is over!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    ydoethur said:

    I was thinking how I made a point with dexterity.
    Then you'd have to choose sides. Handy as you may be that's a choice.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited February 2022
    Leon said:

    Who the hell seriously haggles in a country as poor as Sri Lanka. I am pretty sure they are charging me twice or thrice the going rate. I just pretend to haggle - so everyone is happy - then agree to the absurd rate. It is still pennies. They are skint
    I once nearly killed an Indian tradesman from shock by simply agreeing to his first price (about 50p) rather than spend time haggling - I was late, tired, thirsty and hot. Strangely in Chang Mai I found haggling in French much easier - they always started at lower prices anyway. And I committed the ultimate folly of heroically haggling down the price of a malachite chess set in Mombassa only to find on checking in a nearby shop the starting price lower than after my twenty minutes of sweaty and I thought triumphant haggling!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Leon said:

    Ok this is bonkers. My Uber driver is a half Croatian onetime futsal pro and he has just said something angry in Tamil and I used google translate and he said “I’d rather suck my dog’s pizzle than read another tedious story by that @kinabalu on the British political website political betting dot com run by Mike smithson from the Bedford Lib Dems”

    I actually translated it twice to make sure I hadn’t misheard

    It was a woke joke - something you ludicrously say isn't possible. Bet you Stewart Lee or Peter Kay could tell it and have the House rocking. I might send it to both of them.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited February 2022
    Nigelb said:

    The debt they took on was certainly a mistake, and the was probably China’s fault as much as theirs. There’s no doubt about who benefited.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/sri-lanka-appeals-to-china-to-ease-debt-burden-amid-economic-crisis
    … China accounted for about 10% of Sri Lanka’s $35bn foreign debt to April 2021, government data shows. Officials said China’s total lending could be much higher when taking into account loans to state-owned enterprises and the central bank.

    Sri Lanka has borrowed heavily from China for infrastructure, some of which ended up as white elephants. Unable to repay a $1.4bn loan for a port construction in southern Sri Lanka, Colombo was forced to lease the facility to a Chinese company for 99 years in 2017.…
    AIUI Chinese tours it’s are not popular in Thailand, largely because they travel in groups and don’t tip. The only ones less popular are Russians, because the men especially are rude and over-assertive
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    Eabhal said:

    I'm quite persuaded by the "second yellow card" approach to this.

    I still can't quite get over that Russia shot down a passenger jet and smeared a fucking nerve agent all over Salisbury and we still have people going with "poking the bear". It's telling that we give Putin more rope than poor Martinelli.

    Impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine and bomb anything that crosses the border - claim they are Russian backed "insurgents".
    Quite apart from the wisdom of that approach, who is paying for these bombs? British taxpayers who can't heat their homes?

    I am a right wing Tory and I am by no means immune to a desire to see British prestige upheld abroad, but I recognise that to be a serious player in world affairs you need a solid foundation of wealth that can fund a solid military, and that military still needs to be used wisely, sparingly, and judiciously, when the endgame is clear and victory resulting in lasting peace is achievable. Above all, Britain's own interests must come first second and third. None of that is evident in our handling of this affair. Instead we have Truss doing her twat in a hat act, when all she's doing anyway is repeating (not very professionally it seems) what the Americans want us to.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    Leon said:

    I’m so bored of people constantly dissing China. They’ve built a magnificent expressway from my hotel, the Galle Face, to Colombo airport, enabling me to get there in about fifteen minutes

    Surely 3 decades of debt slavery is worth the extra airside drinking time this brings me?

    It’s even raised above the hovels so I can look down at their tiny picturesque Stone Age rooms with no running water, a bit like the westway where it goes over them caravans

    Would you accept bondage to Beijing in return for them improving travel links to Heathrow?
  • Yes sorry, benefit cap. I am not all over the details, but I know the broad parameters of the issue as we are involved in a local group seeking to help house and integrate a refugee family locally. The person in our group who has gone through the details of what is available to the family tells us that realistically it's going to be hard to pay more than £1200-£1300 per month rent, which for a family of four means that it will be pretty much impossible to house them locally (in SE14/SE4/SE15) at market rents. So while we are trying to help house a family in London, it is obvious why most end up in places where rents are far lower. And while I would like the system to be more flexible, then people will ask why refugees are getting subsidised to live in expensive areas at the public expense. There are no easy answers.
    In the end, almost every social problem comes back to stupid house prices in London / SE England.

    And any party that fixes those will be out of power for a generation.

    So we carry on with the rest of this mess.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    In all seriousness - my Uber driver has just started ranting - yes - about China. Apparently they built this gleaming toll road expressway from Colombo to the airport BUT the deal is for fifty years China takes 80% of the tolls and the desperately poor Sri Lankan government gets 20%

    No idea if this is remotely true but he certainly believes it

    China is a new global empire and it is stoking massive resentment around the world. I heard similar in Ethiopia about 4 years ago

    I guess all empires breed these feelings but we may see a global reaction at some point. Debt servitude is not fun
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810

    Dr Henry Kissinger thought the Chinese were the best negotiators he ever encountered.

    Their method was to start by asking for ideally what they would like. When you demurred, they skipped straight to the minimum they would accept and didn't budge. The result was that deals were made quickly. You knew exactly what they had in mind and exactly what they would accept as a minimum. The trouble with the more conventional haggling approach was that you would gradually and slowly work towards a settlement but you never knew when you were there; the temptation was then to think you could always squeeze a bit more. This dragged things out and often led to a total breakdown.

    I've often applied this in my own minor negotiations. It's surprising how often you get what you ask for, and when I shift to my 'best offer' and it's rejected, walking away works a treat because you really mean it and it shows.
    Yes, I agree. People often make a meal of it and then what happens is it becomes about the process not the outcome. Property is very prone to this imo.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    Quite apart from the wisdom of that approach, who is paying for these bombs? British taxpayers who can't heat their homes?

    I am a right wing Tory and I am by no means immune to a desire to see British prestige upheld abroad, but I recognise that to be a serious player in world affairs you need a solid foundation of wealth that can fund a solid military, and that military still needs to be used wisely, sparingly, and judiciously, when the endgame is clear and victory resulting in lasting peace is achievable. Above all, Britain's own interests must come first second and third. None of that is evident in our handling of this affair. Instead we have Truss doing her twat in a hat act, when all she's doing anyway is repeating (not very professionally it seems) what the Americans want us to.
    I'm sure it would be a messy disaster.

    But what is the alternative? What are the armed forces for? What are British interests?

    I'd argue it's important that a failing Russia isn't allowed to undermine the economies and democracies of a fast growing and increasingly liberal eastern Europe.

    We already pay for all the fixed costs of aircraft, pilot training, a stock of weapons.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,553
    Omnium said:

    Then you'd have to choose sides. Handy as you may be that's a choice.
    Ironically, that's not true as I am in fact ambidextrous.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    I once nearly killed an Indian tradesman from shock by simply agreeing to his first price (about 50p) rather than spend time haggling - I was late, tired, thirsty and hot. Strangely in Chang Mai I found haggling in French much easier - they always started at lower prices anyway. And I committed the ultimate folly of heroically haggling down the price of a malachite chess set in Mombassa only to find on checking in a nearby shop the starting price lower than after my twenty minutes of sweaty and I thought triumphant haggling!
    When doing any serious shopping in Thailand we always take our Thai daughter-in-law to help with the bargaining.
    Next time we go though, I expect it will be one of the granddaughters!

    Such is life!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    Leon said:

    In all seriousness - my Uber driver has just started ranting - yes - about China. Apparently they built this gleaming toll road expressway from Colombo to the airport BUT the deal is for fifty years China takes 80% of the tolls and the desperately poor Sri Lankan government gets 20%

    No idea if this is remotely true but he certainly believes it

    China is a new global empire and it is stoking massive resentment around the world. I heard similar in Ethiopia about 4 years ago

    I guess all empires breed these feelings but we may see a global reaction at some point. Debt servitude is not fun

    China is working on a far tighter plan than the British ever did,
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    Leon said:

    In all seriousness - my Uber driver has just started ranting - yes - about China. Apparently they built this gleaming toll road expressway from Colombo to the airport BUT the deal is for fifty years China takes 80% of the tolls and the desperately poor Sri Lankan government gets 20%

    No idea if this is remotely true but he certainly believes it

    China is a new global empire and it is stoking massive resentment around the world. I heard similar in Ethiopia about 4 years ago

    I guess all empires breed these feelings but we may see a global reaction at some point. Debt servitude is not fun

    I guess one question is: what do the Chinese do if a government decides to court popularity by unilaterally renegotiating one of these deals?

    We know that the reaction of the British Empire was to send the Navy in to enforce commercial deals - as recently as 1956 I believe - and people say the same about the Americans. Will the Chinese send a punitive expedition to a country that reneges on debt repayments?

    It will be the next logical step in establishing their global power - disciplining those who step out of line.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Leon said:

    Who the hell seriously haggles in a country as poor as Sri Lanka. I am pretty sure they are charging me twice or thrice the going rate. I just pretend to haggle - so everyone is happy - then agree to the absurd rate. It is still pennies. They are skint
    That's a warm-hearted approach. Although if you throw money about in the Global South as if it's confetti it can verge on the disrespectful. Fine line to tread.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    ydoethur said:

    Ironically, that's not true as I am in fact ambidextrous.
    I have no future in comedy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Eabhal said:

    I'm quite persuaded by the "second yellow card" approach to this.

    I still can't quite get over that Russia shot down a passenger jet and smeared a fucking nerve agent all over Salisbury and we still have people going with "poking the bear". It's telling that we give Putin more rope than poor Martinelli.

    Impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine and bomb anything that crosses the border - claim they are Russian backed "insurgents".
    1. Does the west have anything like the capability to do that?
    2. If it does, what will be the next escalation from Russia and how do we react to that, whilst avoiding a rapid spiral towards nuclear war?

    Surely much better to impose severe financial sanctions on Russia. Kick them out of SWIFT for a start.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,373

    Of course Russia is the aggressor.

    Nonetheless the West has emboldened Putin by doing sweet FA about Litvinenko, Crimea, Malaysian Flight 17, the Skripals or laundered Russian money in London, Paris and New York.
    You might remember noisy people complaining (in a similar manner to now) about what we did do about those things. Denial that Russia was responsible (e.g. the hilarious conversations on here about flight 17, where someone was directly channelling Russian propaganda), and when that fails, we're doing too much. Or the little that was are doing is ineffectual - yet definitely not wanting us to go further.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, I'd have given my right arm for one of them at the time. But you don't think to carry one around, do you?
    I know the feeling only too well - though little blobs of blutack, masking tape etc. to hold things together help. What really is worse is when the specs have been re-screwed so many times the thread strips or crosses and blunts ... happened to Mrs C. I got one of those cheap packs of assorted screws and things to mend almost any glasses - next size up worked a treat and my domestic polling rating jumped up. .

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=glasses+repair+kit+screws&i=diy&crid=1Z6HFS29IH2GA&sprefix=glasses+rep,diy,94&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_3_11
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    ydoethur said:

    Are you left handed?

    Because if not, giving up your right arm for a screwdriver would not have got you noticeably further forward.
    That's an excellent point. Although tbh the screw in question was so infinitesimally small I'm not sure it would have helped anyway. Very few things in the material world smaller than this screw.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Farooq said:

    Leon would do it for a bottle of gin
    Even if that were true, you'd need to provide the tonic. Mustn't forget that.
  • The new Opinium poll is surely not good news for the Tories, because even with the "don't knows" taken into account, they'd still lose dozens of seats and be in opposition. The Tory coalition has broken apart and I cannot see right now where the voters come from, for a majority.
  • kinabalu said:

    Yes, I'd have given my right arm for one of them at the time. But you don't think to carry one around, do you?
    They're a useful thing to keep in a car glove box though.
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