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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    The punishment for this offence is much more than a penalty charge notice.
    Yes, but he won't be punished. It's becoming painfully obvious that the Met will not touch him for anything. I'm not sure whether that's because they're cowards or because they're corrupt. But whichever it is, he's going to get away with it.
  • There are actually two pixelated women - one on the right of the picture too.

    I suspect the reason is that the story is the PM and the chap in the middle (whose name I don't know off hand but I believe was a fairly senior figure who has previously been named).

    The women might well be much more junior figures - PAs/secretaries for example - and what would be the point plastering their faces over the papers? "PM and senior official break their own rules" is news; "secretary also in attendance" isn't - maybe they should have gone home, but they're not really responsible for the situation.
    Thinking about it, there was discussion around Gray's report about whether junior civil servants would be named or not. Perhaps it is to do with that.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited February 2022
    ydoethur said:

    I'm sorry I'll Read That Again joke, while spoofing Macbeth, 1970:

    David Hatch: Scene one, the blasted Heath.

    Bill Oddie: Better than the infernal Wilson.

    Ha! I beat them to it, in 1968 or 1969 I wrote a spoof Shakespeare play for the school magazine, featuring Heath, Wilson, and The Fool, Thorpe:

    "When shall we three meet again?"

    "When the next election's lost and won"

    "Where's the place?"

    "Upon the Heath!"

    .. etc etc
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    ydoethur said:

    I'm sorry I'll Read That Again joke, while spoofing Macbeth, 1970:

    David Hatch: Scene one, the blasted Heath.

    Bill Oddie: Better than the infernal Wilson.
    Light. Not reliable back then.

    Oddly as you mention Oddie, and the Goodies were simply about doing the good thing - popular I think because the government was seen as anything but doing that.

    They were insanely popular at one point.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    Ha! I beat them to it, in 1968 or 1969 I wrote a spoof Shakespeare play for the school magazine, featuring Heath, Wilson, and The Fool, Thorpe:

    "When shall we three meet again?"

    "When the next election's lost and won"

    "Where's the place?"

    "Upon the Heath!"

    .. etc etc
    You were upon Heath? *raises eyebrows*
  • The punishment for this offence is much more than a penalty charge notice.
    Isn't this is a bit unlikely? I would have thought there would need to be a bit more evidence of transaction to meet the burden of proof for criminal proceedings.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    Thinking about it, there was discussion around Gray's report about whether junior civil servants would be named or not. Perhaps it is to do with that.
    Whether they should be named or not (probably they shouldn't, but that's another story) they should be disciplined.

    Or to put it another way, would I have kept my job if I had behaved like that? I think not.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Wow, that would be a bit of a game-changer, wouldn't it?
    If it happened, but then so would Her Majesty the Queen announcing her engagement in the Court Circular.

    Lady Dick probably sounds like a transphobic smear to you, but to some it's the aspiration of a lifetime.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    Entirely o/t - when a fishmonger sends you an email saying 15% off until midnight.... it could be 100% off, and I'd not buy!

    (details slightly changed because the firm concerned isn't bad)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    Omnium said:

    Entirely o/t - when a fishmonger sends you an email saying 15% off until midnight.... it could be 100% off, and I'd not buy!

    (details slightly changed because the firm concerned isn't bad)

    I'm sure many fell for it hook, line and sinker.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272


    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    4m
    NEW: 50 people to be sent questions by Met under Operation Hillman - aka Partygate - via email.

    An impish choice to name the Operation.

  • Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    4m
    NEW: 50 people to be sent questions by Met under Operation Hillman - aka Partygate - via email.

    Interesting name. My parents used to have a Hillman that was a bit clapped out. Something of a metaphor for the Met, or the government, or both
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    ydoethur said:

    I'm sure many fell for it hook, line and sinker.
    Learn your plaice man :)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    You were upon Heath? *raises eyebrows*
    There were reports about the same time of a coastguard rescue of Jeremy Thorpe. He was winched off a small cove.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Farooq said:

    Legal question: if you have evidence that somebody has accepted bribes, and the police fail to prosecute, is there any way a civil case can be brought by a third party?

    Or a private prosecution?
  • Omnium said:

    Learn your plaice man :)
    Oh no fish puns! These will be so rotten, they will be off the SCALE
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,103
    Omnium said:

    Learn your plaice man :)
    Made a cod of himself there
  • Omnium said:

    Learn your plaice man :)
    Your pun maybe fell a bit flat there
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    Your pun maybe fell a bit flat there
    We haven't fin-ished yet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    Interesting name. My parents used to have a Hillman that was a bit clapped out. Something of a metaphor for the Met, or the government, or both
    Yep, those are the Rootes of the problem.
  • ydoethur said:

    We haven't fin-ished yet.
    Best not skate round the issue
  • I wonder what this means timing-wise. The Met say they'll send out their questionnaire to 50 people this week, and the recipients have 7 days to respond. Presumably there will then potentially be more questions, but it sounds as though things could move quite quickly now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    Foxy said:

    Yep, those are the Rootes of the problem.
    We shall hopefully have the opportunity to avenger series of injustices wreaked by these bastards.
  • ydoethur said:

    We shall hopefully have the opportunity to avenger series of injustices wreaked by these bastards.
    You are a bit of an Imp
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    You are a bit of an Imp
    Even when my voice is rather husky as at present.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,856
    ydoethur said:

    We shall hopefully have the opportunity to avenger series of injustices wreaked by these bastards.
    Would any of the alternatives be an Imp-rovement?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    malcolmg said:

    Made a cod of himself there
    I can't be bothered with this. You'll just carp on.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    Would any of the alternatives be an Imp-rovement?
    At least 14 of them...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    ydoethur said:

    We shall hopefully have the opportunity to avenger series of injustices wreaked by these bastards.
    No Sunbeam on these uplands...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    Foxy said:

    No Sunbeam on these uplands...
    It's over the far horizon.

    (Are we allowed Talbot jokes as well?)
  • Adam Payne @adampayne26

    New: The UK hopes the DUP walkout will prompt a "big enough" EU move on the Protocol this month

    Senior government source says failing to resolve it before May election means the DUP likely won't form an Executive. "That’d put us in a very difficult place"


    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1491445059740651521

    It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the government is actively hoping for civil breakdown and violence in NI.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    ydoethur said:

    That's an astonishing post. You actually think there are people in the Met who have minds?

    What's altogether more likely is they will declare it was, and we'll all know they're lying and things will get still worse.
    Don't be silly. You know perfectly well I was being deeply sarcastic. Honestly .....
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited February 2022
    Savanta ComRes

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    Con 33% (nc)
    LD 9% (nc)
    Grn 5% (+2)
  • I wonder what this means timing-wise. The Met say they'll send out their questionnaire to 50 people this week, and the recipients have 7 days to respond. Presumably there will then potentially be more questions, but it sounds as though things could move quite quickly now.

    Yeh, right. :lol:

    They might have a report on PC Dick's desk by next Xmas.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    geoffw said:

    Blackpool rock gave you toothache?

    The town of Blackpool is a bit grim. But the front, and the beach, are splendid. The sunsets over the Irish Sea are amongst the finest in the country. The promenade is surprisingly classy. The illuminations are fun. Enjoy it for what it is, rather than despising it for what it isn't, and it's a lovely place to be for the day.
    I've been with the family about six times in the past two years. Genuinely enjoyed myself every time.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    Foxy said:

    An impish choice to name the Operation.
    Questionnaires? A short interview with relevant evidence for each interviewee in a file to be referred to as needed is the minimum I would expect.

    I'm beginning to think, you know, that the police are a bit rubbish at their job.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    ydoethur said:

    It's over the far horizon.

    (Are we allowed Talbot jokes as well?)
    Beyond the Humber?
  • My eyebrows are currently in Scotland.

    I fear the trustees are going to have to walk.

    Capt Sir Tom Moore: Watchdog to review charity's accounts


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-60319650

    Quelle surprise.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,856

    Adam Payne @adampayne26

    New: The UK hopes the DUP walkout will prompt a "big enough" EU move on the Protocol this month

    Senior government source says failing to resolve it before May election means the DUP likely won't form an Executive. "That’d put us in a very difficult place"


    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1491445059740651521

    It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the government is actively hoping for civil breakdown and violence in NI.

    That's an odd conclusion. You don't think they genuinely want the EU to move on the Protocol?
  • ydoethur said:

    Lord George Bentinck, writing to his newly appointed successor the Marquis of Granby on the 11th February 1846:

    'My advice to you is to appoint your own whippers in, and let them take orders from none but you.'

    Granby let Derby appoint his whips instead.

    Granby resigned on the 4th March 1846...
    And yet Granby has pubs named after him the length and breadth of England.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    Adam Payne @adampayne26

    New: The UK hopes the DUP walkout will prompt a "big enough" EU move on the Protocol this month

    Senior government source says failing to resolve it before May election means the DUP likely won't form an Executive. "That’d put us in a very difficult place"


    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1491445059740651521

    It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the government is actively hoping for civil breakdown and violence in NI.

    Might I refer you to the header. This government sacked a Minister who did his best for NI. We should - but won't - be furious at such casual indifference to good governance in a place which has rarely had it but badly needs it.
  • "Row breaks out after Blackpool likened to Chernobyl"

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1491459141365342211

    No doubt the citizens of Blackpool are having a meltdown.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    And yet Granby has pubs named after him the length and breadth of England.
    Different Marquis of Granby!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Manners,_Marquess_of_Granby
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Cookie said:

    The town of Blackpool is a bit grim. But the front, and the beach, are splendid. The sunsets over the Irish Sea are amongst the finest in the country. The promenade is surprisingly classy. The illuminations are fun. Enjoy it for what it is, rather than despising it for what it isn't, and it's a lovely place to be for the day.
    I've been with the family about six times in the past two years. Genuinely enjoyed myself every time.
    I have had a couple of weekends there, albeit a couple of decades ago. It is fun, but you have to enter the spirit of the place. All wear viking helmets, eat fish and chips, be a bit lairy with a few beers.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    No doubt the citizens of Blackpool are having a meltdown.
    You'll need your Big Coat in Blackpool.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    No doubt the citizens of Blackpool are having a meltdown.
    Are you suggesting they're over-reactoring?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    IshmaelZ said:

    There were reports about the same time of a coastguard rescue of Jeremy Thorpe. He was winched off a small cove.
    Wasn't that because his hovercraft broke down? Too many eels probably.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    edited February 2022
    Farooq said:

    Legal question: if you have evidence that somebody has accepted bribes, and the police fail to prosecute, is there any way a civil case can be brought by a third party?

    Interesting question. A first glance comment:

    It may be worth looking at the tort of conspiracy if, and only if, you can show that you may have suffered loss by the actions of the other two parties.

    So A trades in plastic ducks. So does B. B bribes C, a wholesale purchase of plastic ducks, to contract with B for the delivery of 400 million plastic ducks.

    A, despite being wholly uninvolved may have a cause of action in conspiracy for loss of opportunity.

    Not sure. There is no doubt plenty more to be said.

    At the moment there isn't a route that springs to mind where the third party has no interest in the matter except a moral one. But maybe there is.

    BTW when people want to litigate out of principle and not for money (as perhaps in this question) lawyers rub their hands together.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    Foxy said:

    Or a private prosecution?
    Paging The Good Law project !
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    No doubt the citizens of Blackpool are having a meltdown.
    That's the fallout to expect...
  • rpjs said:

    Wasn't that because his hovercraft broke down? Too many eels probably.
    Well, one of his Liberal colleagues was member for the Isle of Ely.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266
    Foxy said:

    That's the fallout to expect...
    Certainly when one has gone critical
  • Back briefly to laptops. With thanks to the various contributions the other day have decided we're going to buy Microsoft Surface devices. A choice of laptops and convertables should do the job.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    kle4 said:

    PB has headers?
    Of mixed repute. Cyclefree's are well worth reading (like smoothy, like!). whereas there's a random nutter called TSE that mainly posts about the evils of pineapple in pineapples - poor pineapples. When you watch carefully then the Grand Wizard (@mike) shows you the glittering path to free money too, but it's gone like a wisp, and he's a fickle god-type-proprietor-person.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    Omnium said:

    Of mixed repute. Cyclefree's are well worth reading (like smoothy, like!). whereas there's a random nutter called TSE that mainly posts about the evils of pineapple in pineapples - poor pineapples. When you watch carefully then the Grand Wizard (@mike) shows you the glittering path to free money too, but it's gone like a wisp, and he's a fickle god-type-proprietor-person.

    Is TSE the chap who likes Radiohead ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    kle4 said:

    PB has headers?
    Does it also have volleys ?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    Taz said:


    Is TSE the chap who likes Radiohead ?
    Nope that's rcs1000 .

    TSE's likes 70s and 80s pop....
  • Savanta ComRes

    Lab 42% (-2)
    Con 33% (nc)
    LD 9% (nc)
    Grn 5% (+2)

    Two months, three days without a Tory lead and counting...
  • eek said:

    Nope that's rcs1000 .

    TSE's likes 70s and 80s pop....
    90s pop as well.
  • No doubt the citizens of Blackpool are having a meltdown.
    They do great Fission Chips.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    Foxy said:

    I have had a couple of weekends there, albeit a couple of decades ago. It is fun, but you have to enter the spirit of the place. All wear viking helmets, eat fish and chips, be a bit lairy with a few beers.
    Yes, though that's not the only spirit of the place. The lairy drinkers co-exist quite happily with the families, pensioners, northern soul weekenders and various oddballs.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    eek said:

    Nope that's rcs1000 .

    TSE's likes 70s and 80s pop....
    Ah, a kindred spirit. Can’t beat a bit of glam rock.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    Taz said:


    Is TSE the chap who likes Radiohead ?
    I think you go too far!
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    Foxy said:

    I have had a couple of weekends there, albeit a couple of decades ago. It is fun, but you have to enter the spirit of the place. All wear viking helmets, eat fish and chips, be a bit lairy with a few beers.
    And be careful about the trousers - or chernobyl fallout.
  • Adam Payne @adampayne26

    New: The UK hopes the DUP walkout will prompt a "big enough" EU move on the Protocol this month

    Senior government source says failing to resolve it before May election means the DUP likely won't form an Executive. "That’d put us in a very difficult place"


    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1491445059740651521

    It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the government is actively hoping for civil breakdown and violence in NI.

    Let's hope they invoke Article 16 before it gets that far. That's what it's there for after all!

    All could be avoided if the EU just move significantly.
  • Two months, three days without a Tory lead and counting...
    Half a century without a Tory lead and counting...
  • Adam Payne @adampayne26

    New: The UK hopes the DUP walkout will prompt a "big enough" EU move on the Protocol this month

    Senior government source says failing to resolve it before May election means the DUP likely won't form an Executive. "That’d put us in a very difficult place"


    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1491445059740651521

    It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the government is actively hoping for civil breakdown and violence in NI.

    Boris Johnson only cares about Boris Johnson.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    edited February 2022
    Cookie said:

    Yes, though that's not the only spirit of the place. The lairy drinkers co-exist quite happily with the families, pensioners, northern soul weekenders and various oddballs.
    I was quite a bit younger then!

    Northern Soul Weekenders are quite something. There is one in Ryde for the scooter festival every August.
  • Adam Payne @adampayne26

    New: The UK hopes the DUP walkout will prompt a "big enough" EU move on the Protocol this month

    Senior government source says failing to resolve it before May election means the DUP likely won't form an Executive. "That’d put us in a very difficult place"


    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1491445059740651521

    It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the government is actively hoping for civil breakdown and violence in NI.

    They HOPE it will prompt a response? Hope??

    What sort of basis for an international policy change is that? Bl**dy amateurs!
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    I see the tin hat brigade are already out in force over Starmer being confronted in public.

    https://twitter.com/ruby78678013/status/1491241646738251776?s=21
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    Foxy said:

    I have had a couple of weekends there, albeit a couple of decades ago. It is fun, but you have to enter the spirit of the place. All wear viking helmets, eat fish and chips, be a bit lairy with a few beers.
    Once levelling up is complete Blackpool will be mentioned in the same breath as Venice, Machu Picchu and Florence. Naples will be called 'The Blackpool of Campania'. Etonians (Eton is now based in Accrington) will apply to Blackpool University to read classics and ancient history, alongside the gilded youth of Castleford and Featherstone. I have every faith in Boris to deliver on this.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    Half a century without a Tory lead and counting...
    Should Scotland become once again Scotland the politics will be very interesting. Small c conservatism must be a big part of the SNP vote, and the SNP will disintegrate.
  • Omnium said:

    Should Scotland become once again Scotland the politics will be very interesting. Small c conservatism must be a big part of the SNP vote, and the SNP will disintegrate.
    Bloody well hope so. Can’t wait to see the back of the SNP.

  • Adam Wagner

    @AdamWagner1
    Amazing to think that the prime minister may be the individual suspected of the most criminal offences relating to these gatherings

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1491495471285772289

    ===

    About as amazing as next door's cat's ability to sleep a lot.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,137
    2016: Boris Johnson promises higher wages as a post Brexit benefit.
    2022: Tory minister says don’t ask for a pay rise. https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1491496326021976064
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    algarkirk said:

    Once levelling up is complete Blackpool will be mentioned in the same breath as Venice, Machu Picchu and Florence. Naples will be called 'The Blackpool of Campania'. Etonians (Eton is now based in Accrington) will apply to Blackpool University to read classics and ancient history, alongside the gilded youth of Castleford and Featherstone. I have every faith in Boris to deliver on this.

    And Leon will write for the chert and obsidian knappers' Gazette about the artisanal mushy peas, tempura cod and fried Peruvian red potatoes on the seafront cafes' outside tables.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    edited February 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    2016: Boris Johnson promises higher wages as a post Brexit benefit.
    2022: Tory minister says don’t ask for a pay rise. https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1491496326021976064

    As with the BoE Governor, at best these people have no real understanding of the situation of those on low and middling incomes. At worse they do, but the plight of the people is nonetheless entirely subordinate to guaranteeing the growth of their asset portfolios.

    Regardless, examples of a ruling class of which we would be well rid.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,137
    Why can't we be more like Germany...

    German trade stats for December 21 are out. Exports +0.9% compared to November 21, +15.6 compared to December 20. But as it's the December figures, let's do the whole year, shall we? (thread)

    German exports to the EU: +17.6
    German exports to other countries: +10
    German exports to the UK: -2.6 /3

    German imports from the EU: +16.8
    German imports from other countries: 17.5
    German imports from the UK: -8.5


    https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1491506932800180226
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Foxy said:

    I was quite a bit younger then!

    Northern Soul Weekenders are quite something. There is one in Ryde for the scooter festival every August.
    Mrs C has just come in with a cup of coffee.

    "What's PB discussing now?"

    "The merits of Blackpool holidays. They're bored with Boris Johnson."
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    Bloody well hope so. Can’t wait to see the back of the SNP.
    back of the uk, or back of the snp? what's better?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,778

    Adam Payne @adampayne26

    New: The UK hopes the DUP walkout will prompt a "big enough" EU move on the Protocol this month

    Senior government source says failing to resolve it before May election means the DUP likely won't form an Executive. "That’d put us in a very difficult place"


    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1491445059740651521

    It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the government is actively hoping for civil breakdown and violence in NI.

    Or maybe they are hoping the Eu will live up to the deal they signed?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,539

    90s pop as well.
    Shudders.
  • "Row breaks out after Blackpool likened to Chernobyl"

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1491459141365342211

    That seems a bit unkind to Chernobyl...
  • That seems a bit unkind to Chernobyl...
    I know all the critics loved Chernobyl and it was popular here, but I thought David Tennant was pretty good in Blackpool.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    Carnyx said:

    Mrs C has just come in with a cup of coffee.

    "What's PB discussing now?"

    "The merits of Blackpool holidays. They're bored with Boris Johnson."
    I'm sure they are, what's he ever done for Blackpool?
  • pigeon said:

    As with the BoE Governor, at best these people have no real understanding of the situation of those on low and middling incomes. At worse they do, but the plight of the people is nonetheless entirely subordinate to guaranteeing the growth of their asset portfolios.

    Regardless, examples of a ruling class of which we would be well rid.
    Utterly indefensible.

    If the Chancellor didn't want people to ask for a payrise, he shouldn't have put up taxes so people need more money to take home the same amount.

    Except he's also put up employers payroll tax too, so employers will struggle as it is let alone to meet any wage demands without putting prices up considerably.

    The Chancellor has created the perfect storm in increasing two taxes on wages at the same time.
  • I know all the critics loved Chernobyl and it was popular here, but I thought David Tennant was pretty good in Blackpool.
    Was he starring at the Tower Ballroom?
  • My eyebrows are currently in Scotland.

    I fear the trustees are going to have to walk.

    Capt Sir Tom Moore: Watchdog to review charity's accounts


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-60319650

    Rough rule of thumb, when they start doing duvet covers of something it’s likely dodgy as fcuk.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Weird reporting on latest F1 shenanigans:

    Under the title 'Formula 1: FIA aware of new Michael Masi title-decider radio messages'

    but despite the title it then says

    The radio transmissions are not new - they were on a video released by Formula 1 on 16 December, four days after the race - but the one from Wheatley appears to have missed general circulation in the storm that followed.

    So are they new or not?

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60318052
  • Carnyx said:

    Mrs C has just come in with a cup of coffee.

    "What's PB discussing now?"

    "The merits of Blackpool holidays. They're bored with Boris Johnson."
    Well there is little point in discussing Boris since he appears to do whatever suits him and the party / country / PB can get stuffed it would seem. They certainly do not give a d*mn about NI unless it imperils their precious Brexit money-making chumocracy.

    As for the header - does anyone really think that the "Conservatives" will put anyone in charge who is not an Old Boy and who has not been to Oxford?

    John Major snuck through the gaps and was a surprise win. They have since changed the system to make sure that sort of thing does not happen again.

    So you might as discuss Blackpool and Chernobyl.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,539
    Taz said:

    I see the tin hat brigade are already out in force over Starmer being confronted in public.

    https://twitter.com/ruby78678013/status/1491241646738251776?s=21

    I think it is fair to say that a few loons go along way. It is Resistance GB who are claiming this is a staged false flag event.

    I note the Guardian has an article about William Coleshill who heads Resistance GB, a conspiracy theory group, who was amongst those personally hassling Starmer. He has also hassled Gove and Jess Philips and for the benefit of @NerysHughes he is an ex_Tory Councillor and apparently even managed to get a selfie canvasing with Boris. The Tory's were sensible enough to throw him out of the party pretty quickly, but it shows that the nutters (unlike @NerysHughes thinks) come from all sides. Once they move onto the loony conspiracy front it really doesn't matter what their origins are, they are all as bad as one another and we shouldn't be pandering to this sort of stuff.
  • Scott_xP said:

    2016: Boris Johnson promises higher wages as a post Brexit benefit.
    2022: Tory minister says don’t ask for a pay rise. https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1491496326021976064

    Wow. I take it Simon Clarke is a bitter Remoaner, as that's just torpedoed everyone's favourite reason for Brexit - lack of immigrant labour pushing up wages for the natives.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677
    algarkirk said:

    Interesting question. A first glance comment:

    It may be worth looking at the tort of conspiracy if, and only if, you can show that you may have suffered loss by the actions of the other two parties.

    So A trades in plastic ducks. So does B. B bribes C, a wholesale purchase of plastic ducks, to contract with B for the delivery of 400 million plastic ducks.

    A, despite being wholly uninvolved may have a cause of action in conspiracy for loss of opportunity.

    Not sure. There is no doubt plenty more to be said.

    At the moment there isn't a route that springs to mind where the third party has no interest in the matter except a moral one. But maybe there is.

    BTW when people want to litigate out of principle and not for money (as perhaps in this question) lawyers rub their hands together.
    What if the taxpater believes he has suffered loss due to the tort, perhaps made non-trivial by being a repeat occurrence?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited February 2022

    Well there is little point in discussing Boris since he appears to do whatever suits him and the party / country / PB can get stuffed it would seem. They certainly do not give a d*mn about NI unless it imperils their precious Brexit money-making chumocracy.

    As for the header - does anyone really think that the "Conservatives" will put anyone in charge who is not an Old Boy and who has not been to Oxford?

    John Major snuck through the gaps and was a surprise win. They have since changed the system to make sure that sort of thing does not happen again.

    So you might as discuss Blackpool and Chernobyl.
    I don't know if anyone has mentioned it this evening, but there's often not much for the S of S for Scotland/Wales/NI/Bits (depending on the current organization) to do since devolution. This person is often not even the top dog in the relevant nation/province, even in the Tory party thereof, despite what Mr R-M seemed to think a few weeks ago. So that would downgrade Mr Smith some more in the eyes of the party, I would think. (IIRC he did have to do rather more than usual the last time the DUP ejected a toyshop from their pram. But in normal times that's the situation.)
  • Was he starring at the Tower Ballroom?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackpool_(TV_series)
  • Carnyx said:

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned it this evening, but there's often not much for the S of S for Scotland/Wales/NI/Bits (depending on the current organization) to do since devolution. This person is often not even the top dog in the relevant nation/province, even in the Tory party thereof, despite what Mr R-M seemed to think a few weeks ago. So that would downgrade Mr Smith some more in the eyes of the party, I would think. (IIRC he did have to do rather more than usual the last time the DUP ejected a toyshop from their pram. But in normal times that's the situation.)
    Dunno, Alister Jack seems to have a very busy media career offering a quote for every pro BJ & Union occasion.
  • Carnyx said:

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned it this evening, but there's often not much for the S of S for Scotland/Wales/NI/Bits (depending on the current organization) to do since devolution. This person is often not even the top dog in the relevant nation/province, even in the Tory party thereof, despite what Mr R-M seemed to think a few weeks ago. So that would downgrade Mr Smith some more in the eyes of the party, I would think. (IIRC he did have to do rather more than usual the last time the DUP ejected a toyshop from their pram. But in normal times that's the situation.)
    I did see the post earlier that said the SoS NI was about 4th from the bottom in Cabinet Seniority. It does not surprise me in the slightest.

    The DUP's resignation gamble is beginning to look about as wise as their Brexit calculation, especially since the High Court override the orders from Stormont and businesses were advised to ignore it.

    And now there is no FM to allow the alteration of rules / guidance.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    They HOPE it will prompt a response? Hope??

    What sort of basis for an international policy change is that? Bl**dy amateurs!
    Why would it? The DUP endlessly walkout and collapse the Executive for no purpose. They voted for Brexit yet are unable to support it.

    Indeed if they had had a proper representative these last years then maybe they would have actually had some input into the Brexit deal.
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