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Like Ed0
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IndyRef NO doesn't look like an 80% to me.0
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Telegraph readers can't be trusted to leave sane, non racist comments beneath articles about Rotherham scandal.
That speaks volumes.0 -
Dave talking about "Barbarism" from Jihadists in the middle east
Maybe his favourite Smiths song should change from 'This Charming Man' to "Barabarism Begins At Home"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1ObUMFWMo0 -
When is he gpoing to start talking about barbarism from pretty much the same lot in Middle England?isam said:Dave talking about "Barbarism" from Jihadists in the middle east
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"The great grandson of one of the co-founders of the Labour Party will stand for Parliament in next year’s General Election as Ukip’s candidate for Alyn and Deeside.
Blair Smillie, from Higher Kinnerton, revealed to The Chronicle that he will not follow in great grandfather Robert Smillie’s footsteps and will instead stand for Ukip.
However, the 61-year-old says his famous ancestor would back his decision."
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/chester-businessman-who-great-grandson-76974810 -
Or maybe articles on the Telegraph website are accessible to large numbers of people who don't usually read the paper. It's this thing called the internet, where you can freely access millions of websites from virtually any computer on the world. You might have heard of it.BenM said:Telegraph readers can't be trusted to leave sane, non racist comments beneath articles about Rotherham scandal.
That speaks volumes.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Edited extra bit: these aren't tips (I shan't be including them in my 'official' figures') but I've made some early bets on Monza:
Bottas win each way 15
Bottas pole each way 17
Williams top score 7
Basically, this is because Monza is a collection of straight lines. And the Williams is the fastest car in a straight line. Only Mercedes should have a chance of beating them.0 -
Nah. They know their audience.Socrates said:
Or maybe articles on the Telegraph website are accessible to large numbers of people who don't usually read the paper. It's this thing called the internet, where you can freely access millions of websites from virtually any computer on the world. You might have heard of it.BenM said:Telegraph readers can't be trusted to leave sane, non racist comments beneath articles about Rotherham scandal.
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Fancy that 2/7 Labour in Rotherham? Best odds anywhere in the worldBenM said:
Nah. They know their audience.Socrates said:
Or maybe articles on the Telegraph website are accessible to large numbers of people who don't usually read the paper. It's this thing called the internet, where you can freely access millions of websites from virtually any computer on the world. You might have heard of it.BenM said:Telegraph readers can't be trusted to leave sane, non racist comments beneath articles about Rotherham scandal.
That speaks volumes.0 -
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
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Typical Dundonians!
Alex Salmond was mobbed by supporters as he campaigned for independence on the streets of Dundee today.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/video-fantastic-response-for-alex-salmond-in-dundee-1.553505#articlecomment
Full disclosure - author from Forfar!0 -
He appears to have lasted about 4 months in Left Unity!AndyJS said:"The great grandson of one of the co-founders of the Labour Party will stand for Parliament in next year’s General Election as Ukip’s candidate for Alyn and Deeside.
Blair Smillie, from Higher Kinnerton, revealed to The Chronicle that he will not follow in great grandfather Robert Smillie’s footsteps and will instead stand for Ukip.
However, the 61-year-old says his famous ancestor would back his decision."
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/chester-businessman-who-great-grandson-7697481
http://leftunity.org/blair-smillie-why-ive-joined/
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The problem is there is a gulf between the true moderates and the fundamentalists. We need to stop pretending that the noxious cultural elements are confined to 1% of British Muslims and confront it more widely. The intellectual debate and publicity from it will force people to move to become more moderate to defend their positions. This is what happened to Christians and Jews in the 18th-20th centuries, and it's what needs to happen to Muslims now.Patrick said:But as far as I know it is only the Muslims that get involved in beheadings, gang child rape, stonings, perpetual jihad, honour killings and all the rest - with a brazen 'two fingers' to the rest of us. Britain is a wonderfully tolerant and receptive host culture - and has been for centuries. But this one may be an integration too far. Delighted to have people of Pakistani ethnicity here. The fundamentlists can eff off ta v much.
You can spend all the time in the world blaming it on other people, but we need to work out how to deal with it now.HurstLlama said:Hodges column is brilliant? Really? He acknowledges that over the centuries we have welcomed immigrants from all faiths and all races and they have integrated successfully. He then suggests a Royal Commission or some such to investigate our failure to get some of the Muslims living here to integrate. Eh? When did it become our failure?
Quite. I've already noticed a change in thinking since the Rotherham allegations. It's become a final straw. The centre-right, which was sympathetic to these criticisms of Muslim integration has now become convinced by them, and the more open-minded elements of the centre-left has now accepted it's a major issue. Finally.nigel4england said:
It was always about realism, sensible people have been saying that for years.
Islam isn't the first religion to state this. Other religions have also claimed it. The difference is that so many of their followers subscribe to the certainty of it. We need a major debate to highlight its contradictions. Then we will convert a lot more people into being vaguely Muslim of background, but otherwise culturally British and critical of non-integration.AndyJS said:Surely Hodges already knows the answer? The religion is a supremacist one, which believes it is right and everyone else is wrong. Compromise is impossible.
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Stumpy little arsehead wants to fiddle with the composition of Parliament's servants to fit in a candidate that nobody except him [and a panel of presumably narcoleptic buffoons] seems to want:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29011919
Is this woman some sort of avatar of Athena that she must be foist upon Parliament, and Parliament's own structures gerrymandered to hasten her inclusion?
Better to axe Bercow than accept this nonsense.0 -
Dave basically bringing back control orders.
All that Tory posturing about civil liberties and nanny state when in opposition, like so much from Cameron a load of guff.
And looks like the Lib Dems have basically given up.0 -
Do you really want us fruitcakes, closet racists and loonies back TSE?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
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Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
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Would be nice!
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@Election4castUK @GoodwinMJ @robfordmancs @Michael_Heaver Would be really helpful if Ashcroft did a batch of polls on the UKIP targets. Reply
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@Election4castUK @robfordmancs @Michael_Heaver I imagine @LordAshcroft has various ideas up his sleeve regarding that one
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@GoodwinMJ @Election4castUK @robfordmancs @Michael_Heaver indeed!0 -
Mr. Eagles, it falls to me to once again push uphill the Sisyphian rock and try to educate you:
Carthage wasn't wiped out until the Third Punic War, nearly a century later. And it was then rebuilt.
After Cannae Hannibal remained undefeated in Italy for a decade.
He had to go back home because lesser men had lost Iberia to Scipio.0 -
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
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I want Roger Lord.nigel4england said:
Do you really want us fruitcakes, closet racists and loonies back TSE?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
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It's curious that the Lib Dems have pushed more on protecting jihadists right not to be left stateless than on innocent Britons' rights to not have their personal communications read by GCHQ agents.0
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Fruitcakes, closet racists and loonies? I thought they were the Muslims Jihadists?nigel4england said:
Do you really want us fruitcakes, closet racists and loonies back TSE?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
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Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice0 -
Theresa May looking about 1000
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More evidence UKIP is increasingly targetting Labour voters, believing they've already cleaned up most of the Tory support they're likely to get.Neil said:
He appears to have lasted about 4 months in Left Unity!AndyJS said:"The great grandson of one of the co-founders of the Labour Party will stand for Parliament in next year’s General Election as Ukip’s candidate for Alyn and Deeside.
Blair Smillie, from Higher Kinnerton, revealed to The Chronicle that he will not follow in great grandfather Robert Smillie’s footsteps and will instead stand for Ukip.
However, the 61-year-old says his famous ancestor would back his decision."
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/chester-businessman-who-great-grandson-7697481
http://leftunity.org/blair-smillie-why-ive-joined/0 -
I said ultimately. Like kippers you're just focussed upon short term victories.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, it falls to me to once again push uphill the Sisyphian rock and try to educate you:
Carthage wasn't wiped out until the Third Punic War, nearly a century later. And it was then rebuilt.
After Cannae Hannibal remained undefeated in Italy for a decade.
He had to go back home because lesser men had lost Iberia to Scipio.
Don't lose Zama, Carthage would still have existed.
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Haha well phrased @TSESocrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice0 -
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 20170 -
Do you have anything substantive to say about the topic or is it the usual "nothing to see, only racists want to talk about it, move along here" dog whistle?BenM said:
Nah. They know their audience.Socrates said:
Or maybe articles on the Telegraph website are accessible to large numbers of people who don't usually read the paper. It's this thing called the internet, where you can freely access millions of websites from virtually any computer on the world. You might have heard of it.BenM said:Telegraph readers can't be trusted to leave sane, non racist comments beneath articles about Rotherham scandal.
That speaks volumes.
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Just a promise of a referendum!TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 20170 -
I'm not particularly concerned that the Boris for Uxbridge slips are going to be worthless but interesting nonetheless:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2739363/ANDREW-PIERCE-The-Olympian-defeat-Boris-race-MP-Uxbridge.html
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Plus a free 5 year Labour government with Europhilia sauce.TheScreamingEagles said:
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice0 -
Mr. Eagles, the Romans were defeated in Africa during the First Punic War and still won the war. The lesson of the Second was the importance of public patriotism and a sound constitution (incidentally, this is also why Bercow's attempt to modernise for the sake of it and carve himself a little empire is wrong).0
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Meh, the guy seems to think he's more Tory than Labour but he's been a member of Labour and Left Unity (!) before trying UKIP (the last three, it seems, within the space of a year). I dont think he is personally evidence of much.AndyJS said:
More evidence UKIP is increasingly targetting Labour voters, believing they've already cleaned up most of the Tory support they're likely to get.Neil said:
He appears to have lasted about 4 months in Left Unity!AndyJS said:"The great grandson of one of the co-founders of the Labour Party will stand for Parliament in next year’s General Election as Ukip’s candidate for Alyn and Deeside.
Blair Smillie, from Higher Kinnerton, revealed to The Chronicle that he will not follow in great grandfather Robert Smillie’s footsteps and will instead stand for Ukip.
However, the 61-year-old says his famous ancestor would back his decision."
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/chester-businessman-who-great-grandson-7697481
http://leftunity.org/blair-smillie-why-ive-joined/
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For those who genuinely want out, an EU referndum in 2017 would be an unmitigated disaster. Fighting it from a position of weakness against the full establishment would surely result in a NO - thus killing any chance of actually leaving. It would be like England invading France alone in 1942. Sometimes you need to avoid battle until you can win. Read your Sun Zi.
Farage, rightly in my opinion (from a long term strategic point of view) wants Dave to lose (highly likely), Redward to be a complete disaster (racing cert) and a re-united right to take power in 2020+ (somewhat likely). Only from that position would the actual exit be deliverable. A Farage/BoJO/Carswell driven referendum MIGHT win. A 2017 one just won't.0 -
Not defending them on GCHQ but it would have been people who were thought to be jihadists, not just actual jihadists, and there would be false positives, so in both cases we'd be talking about innocent Britons. Also, as with reading emails, unaccountable power is always abused and expanded, so over time it would spread beyond suspected jihadists. It's easier to nip this stuff in the bud before it's applied to the initial target (usually terrorists), and almost impossible to roll it back once it's been implemented and gradually expanded.Socrates said:It's curious that the Lib Dems have pushed more on protecting jihadists right not to be left stateless than on innocent Britons' rights to not have their personal communications read by GCHQ agents.
PS I didn't catch the statement so I don't know if I should be saying "would have been" or "will be".0 -
YepPatrick said:For those who genuinely want out, an EU referndum in 2017 would be an unmitigated disaster. Fighting it from a position of weakness against the full establishment would surely result in a NO - thus killing any chance of actually leaving. It would be like England invading France alone in 1942. Sometimes you need to avoid battle until you can win. Read your Sun Zi.
Farage, rightly in my opinion (from a long term strategic point of view) wants Dave to lose (highly likely), Redward to be a complete disaster (racing cert) and a re-united right to take power in 2020+ (somewhat likely). Only from that position would the actual exit be deliverable. A Farage/BoJO/Carswell driven referendum MIGHT win. A 2017 one just won't.0 -
Kippers are committing the second worse strategic and tactical descision since Emperor Palpatine allowed the Rebel Alliance to know the location of the second Death Star.TGOHF said:
Plus a free 5 year Labour government with Europhilia sauce.TheScreamingEagles said:
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
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Dave will get replaced if he doesn't deliverSunil_Prasannan said:
Just a promise of a referendum!TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
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According to the Daily Mash the threat level has risen to "underpants".
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/uk-threat-level-raised-to-underpants-200707012510 -
Depending on how you mean that, either I won't get it in either case because neither UKIP or the Tories will form a majority government, or I will get it in both cases because both UKIP and Tory MPs will vote for one in 2017.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 20170 -
PS Are the PKK still on the terrorist list? Are people allowed to fight with them against ISIS? Maybe they could have a special category like "friendly terrorist"?0
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Kippers faith in their cause and the British public is touching they don't want to hold a referendum lest they lose it.
Sack up you Kippers.0 -
I wonder what year Farage thinks a Conservative, UKIP or Con-KIP coalition would come to power if the right splinters in 2015. 2025? 2030?0
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Surely that depends on what constituency you're in.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
If you're in Clacton, you can vote UKIP safe in the knowledge that there will be either a UKIP or a Conservative MP elected. One presumes that UKIP MPs will vote for the EU Referendum Bill, 2017, were it proposed.
In other constituencies the calculation is different.
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TBF a lot of sceptics reckon that the correctness of their view will become gradually more apparent over time, in which case a later referendum is better for them.Neil said:
Have you that little confidence in the cause?Patrick said:For those who genuinely want out, an EU referndum in 2017 would be an unmitigated disaster.
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"Oh, I'm afraid the Labour majority will still be operational when your Tory friends arrive!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Kippers are committing the second worse strategic and tactical descision since Emperor Palpatine allowed the Rebel Alliance to know the location of the second Death Star.TGOHF said:
Plus a free 5 year Labour government with Europhilia sauce.TheScreamingEagles said:
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice0 -
Boris will be an 'in'er.Patrick said:For those who genuinely want out, an EU referndum in 2017 would be an unmitigated disaster. Fighting it from a position of weakness against the full establishment would surely result in a NO - thus killing any chance of actually leaving. It would be like England invading France alone in 1942. Sometimes you need to avoid battle until you can win. Read your Sun Zi.
Farage, rightly in my opinion (from a long term strategic point of view) wants Dave to lose (highly likely), Redward to be a complete disaster (racing cert) and a re-united right to take power in 2020+ (somewhat likely). Only from that position would the actual exit be deliverable. A Farage/BoJO/Carswell driven referendum MIGHT win. A 2017 one just won't.0 -
Certainly on the American's list.edmundintokyo said:PS Are the PKK still on the terrorist list? Are people allowed to fight with them against ISIS? Maybe they could have a special category like "friendly terrorist"?
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm
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Will you head off to Syria or Iraq if Ed wins in 2015?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers faith in their cause and the British public is touching they don't want to hold a referendum lest they lose it.
Sack up you Kippers. 0 -
I'm sure malcolm will be delighted (or not) to learn that the 'Yes shop burnt down by No supporters' was in fact:
- Not a 'Yes' shop - but an empty shop with Yes stickers on it
- It was a bin outside the shop that was set alight and
- Not even the Yes stickers on the shop suffered damage.
I'm sure he'll be rushing to criticise those who spread such false and malicious rumours....or not...
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The vast majority of seats will not be like Clacton.rcs1000 said:
Surely that depends on what constituency you're in.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
If you're in Clacton, you can vote UKIP safe in the knowledge that there will be either a UKIP or a Conservative MP elected. One presumes that UKIP MPs will vote for the EU Referendum Bill, 2017, were it proposed.
In other constituencies the calculation is different.
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How does 2047 suit them?edmundintokyo said:
TBF a lot of sceptics reckon that the correctness of their view will become gradually more apparent over time, in which case a later referendum is better for them.Neil said:
Have you that little confidence in the cause?Patrick said:For those who genuinely want out, an EU referndum in 2017 would be an unmitigated disaster.
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Latest ElectionForecast vote shares:
Con 33.0%
Lab 31.8%
LD 14.1%
UKIP 10.9%
Con and Lab are about right IMO, but I'd probably swap LD and UKIP.
http://electionforecast.co.uk/0 -
Luke = David CameronTheScreamingEagles said:
The vast majority of seats will not be like Clacton.rcs1000 said:
Surely that depends on what constituency you're in.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
If you're in Clacton, you can vote UKIP safe in the knowledge that there will be either a UKIP or a Conservative MP elected. One presumes that UKIP MPs will vote for the EU Referendum Bill, 2017, were it proposed.
In other constituencies the calculation is different.
Darth Vader = Farage
Nigel to Dave: No, I am your father.
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Is it 100% certain there will be a Clacton by-election?
My understanding is you are allowed to wait 6 months before calling a BE.
Even if Carswell resigns today (has he?) then 6 months takes us to 1 March. If a BE is called on 1 March it would not take place until Parliament has dissolved - so would not happen.
If Con just wait and even if Lab moves writ then Con could oppose it. A UKIP boost will also harm LD so Cameron should be able to get Clegg's support.0 -
An oft misquoted line.TheScreamingEagles said:
Luke = David CameronTheScreamingEagles said:
The vast majority of seats will not be like Clacton.rcs1000 said:
Surely that depends on what constituency you're in.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
If you're in Clacton, you can vote UKIP safe in the knowledge that there will be either a UKIP or a Conservative MP elected. One presumes that UKIP MPs will vote for the EU Referendum Bill, 2017, were it proposed.
In other constituencies the calculation is different.
Darth Vader = Farage
Nigel to Dave: No, I am your father.
Should be: "No, Luke Dave. I am your father.0 -
* Diplomacy Post*
Just a reminder to those in game IV of 2014 you have just over an hour to submit your moves. Some of you might want to take the chance to do some diplomacy, you know that that stuff that the game is about. Diplomacy, the clue is in the name, FFS.
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Wouldn't we need to repudiate a while bunch of international treaties to make people stateless?Socrates said:It's curious that the Lib Dems have pushed more on protecting jihadists right not to be left stateless than on innocent Britons' rights to not have their personal communications read by GCHQ agents.
I wonder what the tax position of a stateless person is? Perhaps some hedge fund managers will claim to be jihadists to lose their passports :-)0 -
Desperate stuff even by PB Tories standardsMikeL said:Is it 100% certain there will be a Clacton by-election?
My understanding is you are allowed to wait 6 months before calling a BE.
Even if Carswell resigns today (has he?) then 6 months takes us to 1 March. If a BE is called on 1 March it would not take place until Parliament has dissolved - so would not happen.
If Con just wait and even if Lab moves writ then Con could oppose it. A UKIP boost will also harm LD so Cameron should be able to get Clegg's support.
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Does this make Redward Jar Jar Binks?TheScreamingEagles said:
Luke = David CameronTheScreamingEagles said:
The vast majority of seats will not be like Clacton.rcs1000 said:
Surely that depends on what constituency you're in.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
If you're in Clacton, you can vote UKIP safe in the knowledge that there will be either a UKIP or a Conservative MP elected. One presumes that UKIP MPs will vote for the EU Referendum Bill, 2017, were it proposed.
In other constituencies the calculation is different.
Darth Vader = Farage
Nigel to Dave: No, I am your father.0 -
Nah. I'm staying. It'll be fun winding up the Kippers for not giving us a referendum.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will you head off to Syria or Iraq if Ed wins in 2015?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers faith in their cause and the British public is touching they don't want to hold a referendum lest they lose it.
Sack up you Kippers.0 -
By the way, did either of you read Mary Gentle's book on Carthage? A novel take on the situationTheScreamingEagles said:
I said ultimately. Like kippers you're just focussed upon short term victories.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, it falls to me to once again push uphill the Sisyphian rock and try to educate you:
Carthage wasn't wiped out until the Third Punic War, nearly a century later. And it was then rebuilt.
After Cannae Hannibal remained undefeated in Italy for a decade.
He had to go back home because lesser men had lost Iberia to Scipio.
Don't lose Zama, Carthage would still have existed.0 -
EiT pointed out that - technically - Carswell would need to be appointed to a Crown post to cease being an MP. If that were to be delayed by a few months, then a byelection could also be avoided.MikeL said:Is it 100% certain there will be a Clacton by-election?
My understanding is you are allowed to wait 6 months before calling a BE.
Even if Carswell resigns today (has he?) then 6 months takes us to 1 March. If a BE is called on 1 March it would not take place until Parliament has dissolved - so would not happen.
If Con just wait and even if Lab moves writ then Con could oppose it. A UKIP boost will also harm LD so Cameron should be able to get Clegg's support.
I don't happen to think that Cameron is that slimy. But it's possible.0 -
So Dave will lose because he is as crap as Admiral Ozzel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. I'm staying. It'll be fun winding up the Kippers for not giving us a referendum.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will you head off to Syria or Iraq if Ed wins in 2015?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers faith in their cause and the British public is touching they don't want to hold a referendum lest they lose it.
Sack up you Kippers.0 -
Admiral Ozzell.Patrick said:
Does this make Redward Jar Jar Binks?TheScreamingEagles said:
Luke = David CameronTheScreamingEagles said:
The vast majority of seats will not be like Clacton.rcs1000 said:
Surely that depends on what constituency you're in.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
If you're in Clacton, you can vote UKIP safe in the knowledge that there will be either a UKIP or a Conservative MP elected. One presumes that UKIP MPs will vote for the EU Referendum Bill, 2017, were it proposed.
In other constituencies the calculation is different.
Darth Vader = Farage
Nigel to Dave: No, I am your father.
Even his own side want to choke him0 -
The appointment to be Steward of the Duchy of so-and-so has already happened. Carswell is no longer an MP.rcs1000 said:
EiT pointed out that - technically - Carswell would need to be appointed to a Crown post to cease being an MP. If that were to be delayed by a few months, then a byelection could also be avoided.
I don't happen to think that Cameron is that slimy. But it's possible.
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Is on my listCharles said:
By the way, did either of you read Mary Gentle's book on Carthage? A novel take on the situationTheScreamingEagles said:
I said ultimately. Like kippers you're just focussed upon short term victories.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, it falls to me to once again push uphill the Sisyphian rock and try to educate you:
Carthage wasn't wiped out until the Third Punic War, nearly a century later. And it was then rebuilt.
After Cannae Hannibal remained undefeated in Italy for a decade.
He had to go back home because lesser men had lost Iberia to Scipio.
Don't lose Zama, Carthage would still have existed.
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They almost have a country now, they's are getting perilously close to what you mighty call "an army".edmundintokyo said:PS Are the PKK still on the terrorist list? Are people allowed to fight with them against ISIS? Maybe they could have a special category like "friendly terrorist"?
Surely we should be prepared to ally ourselves with anyone to defeat the loathsome IS, if necessary stabbing them in the back afterwards (see "perfidious Albion").
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Introducing the newly-appointed Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, Mr John Douglas Wilson Carswell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Steward_and_Bailiff_of_the_Manor_of_Northstead
The appointer was Mr George Gideon Oliver Osborne.0 -
Mr. Charles, no, but I shall peruse it on Amazon and perhaps make a note to buy it later.
Edited extra bit: what's the title, incidentally?0 -
Already done:rcs1000 said:Carswell would need to be appointed to a Crown post to cease being an MP. If that were to be delayed by a few months
http://www.hmtreasury.presscentre.com/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=433323&NewsAreaId=2
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I'm pretty sure that one of the bits of being a jihadist is having your bank accounts frozen. A bit of a downer for your hedge fund manager I would think.rcs1000 said:
Wouldn't we need to repudiate a while bunch of international treaties to make people stateless?Socrates said:It's curious that the Lib Dems have pushed more on protecting jihadists right not to be left stateless than on innocent Britons' rights to not have their personal communications read by GCHQ agents.
I wonder what the tax position of a stateless person is? Perhaps some hedge fund managers will claim to be jihadists to lose their passports :-)0 -
Quite and what a load of twaddle from the booers. Not long ago they were wanting the thing brought forward. If their case really stacks up it shouldn't matter when it's held. Personally I wish my party would back a referendum (as it did pre 2010) and get the bloody thing done with.Neil said:
How does 2047 suit them?edmundintokyo said:
TBF a lot of sceptics reckon that the correctness of their view will become gradually more apparent over time, in which case a later referendum is better for them.Neil said:
Have you that little confidence in the cause?Patrick said:For those who genuinely want out, an EU referndum in 2017 would be an unmitigated disaster.
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The PKK and the Peshmerga are very different.JohnLilburne said:
They almost have a country now, they's are getting perilously close to what you mighty call "an army".edmundintokyo said:PS Are the PKK still on the terrorist list? Are people allowed to fight with them against ISIS? Maybe they could have a special category like "friendly terrorist"?
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That might have something to do with the fact that being left stateless is a massively serious penalty, effectively wrecking your life, whereas having a computer scan the headers of your emails (along with billions of other emails) has precisely zero practical impact on your life.Socrates said:It's curious that the Lib Dems have pushed more on protecting jihadists right not to be left stateless than on innocent Britons' rights to not have their personal communications read by GCHQ agents.
Your lack of perspective on different aspects of civil liberties is breath-taking.
Oh, and by the way, they are alleged jihadists, not jihadists. People genuinely concerned about civil liberties think this is an important distinction.0 -
John Baron criticising Cam...0
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Doubts were expressed on here about whether Boris was a natural fit for a constituency so close to Heathrow, which he wants to downsize to a gliding club while the jobs go to Boris Island, so it is interesting that the Mail makes the same point.Neil said:I'm not particularly concerned that the Boris for Uxbridge slips are going to be worthless but interesting nonetheless:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2739363/ANDREW-PIERCE-The-Olympian-defeat-Boris-race-MP-Uxbridge.html0 -
How come the Kurds of Iraq can have virtually their own independent state but the Kurds of Turkey and Iran can't?Neil said:
The PKK and the Peshmerga are very different.JohnLilburne said:
They almost have a country now, they's are getting perilously close to what you mighty call "an army".edmundintokyo said:PS Are the PKK still on the terrorist list? Are people allowed to fight with them against ISIS? Maybe they could have a special category like "friendly terrorist"?
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How can you be so mean as to overlook the Kurds of Syria?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How come the Kurds of Iraq can have virtually their own independent state but the Kurds of Turkey and Iran can't?Neil said:
The PKK and the Peshmerga are very different.JohnLilburne said:
They almost have a country now, they's are getting perilously close to what you mighty call "an army".edmundintokyo said:PS Are the PKK still on the terrorist list? Are people allowed to fight with them against ISIS? Maybe they could have a special category like "friendly terrorist"?
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Voting UKIP makes sense if you live in a safe Conservative, Labour, or Lib Dem seat.rcs1000 said:
Surely that depends on what constituency you're in.TheScreamingEagles said:
So vote Tory and get one in 2017.Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017
If you're in Clacton, you can vote UKIP safe in the knowledge that there will be either a UKIP or a Conservative MP elected. One presumes that UKIP MPs will vote for the EU Referendum Bill, 2017, were it proposed.
In other constituencies the calculation is different.
It also makes sense if you live in a seat that UKIP has a chance of winning.0 -
I doubt they'd want the scrutiny of their offshore assets...rcs1000 said:
Wouldn't we need to repudiate a while bunch of international treaties to make people stateless?Socrates said:It's curious that the Lib Dems have pushed more on protecting jihadists right not to be left stateless than on innocent Britons' rights to not have their personal communications read by GCHQ agents.
I wonder what the tax position of a stateless person is? Perhaps some hedge fund managers will claim to be jihadists to lose their passports :-)0 -
I find your lack of faith disturbing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kippers are committing the second worse strategic and tactical descision since Emperor Palpatine allowed the Rebel Alliance to know the location of the second Death Star.TGOHF said:
Plus a free 5 year Labour government with Europhilia sauce.TheScreamingEagles said:
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
When Darth Farage ensures the evil Labour Empire will be back in charge for 5 long tough years I will hoping to be frozen in carobonite until 2020..0 -
Of course! Oops!Neil said:
How can you be so mean as to overlook the Kurds of Syria?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How come the Kurds of Iraq can have virtually their own independent state but the Kurds of Turkey and Iran can't?Neil said:
The PKK and the Peshmerga are very different.JohnLilburne said:
They almost have a country now, they's are getting perilously close to what you mighty call "an army".edmundintokyo said:PS Are the PKK still on the terrorist list? Are people allowed to fight with them against ISIS? Maybe they could have a special category like "friendly terrorist"?
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I'm not talking about computers scanning the headers of your email. I'm talking about them getting screenshots of your communications via webcam.Richard_Nabavi said:
That might have something to do with the fact that being left stateless is a massively serious penalty, effectively wrecking your life, whereas having a computer scan the headers of your emails (along with billions of other emails) has precisely zero practical impact on your life.Socrates said:It's curious that the Lib Dems have pushed more on protecting jihadists right not to be left stateless than on innocent Britons' rights to not have their personal communications read by GCHQ agents.
Your lack of perspective on different aspects of civil liberties is breath-taking.
But how about a compromise. Why don't we say the government can do both, but they need a judicial warrant on a case by case basis to do it rather than by executive fiat?0 -
MAtthew Parris & Tim Montgomerie are having the same argument
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2014/09/a-thundering-row-on-the-right/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-thundering-row-on-the-right&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Still hasn't updated his Linked In profile.AndyJS said:Introducing the newly-appointed Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, Mr John Douglas Wilson Carswell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Steward_and_Bailiff_of_the_Manor_of_Northstead
The appointer was Mr George Gideon Oliver Osborne.0 -
Well, that's currently illegal, and if it has been happening then all parties, including the LibDems and the Conservatives, agree that it should be stopped.Socrates said:I'm not talking about computers scanning the headers of your email. I'm talking about them getting screenshots of your communications via webcam.
My point would still apply even to that illegal activity, though.0 -
So the government has been breaking the law then?Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, that's currently illegal, and if it has been happening then all parties, including the LibDems and the Conservatives, agree that it should be stopped.Socrates said:I'm not talking about computers scanning the headers of your email. I'm talking about them getting screenshots of your communications via webcam.
My point would still apply even to that illegal activity, though.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo0 -
I enjoyed it, but don't let it displac serious history. Plot based around the Carthagians and Burgundians ganging up on the FrenchTheScreamingEagles said:
Is on my listCharles said:
By the way, did either of you read Mary Gentle's book on Carthage? A novel take on the situationTheScreamingEagles said:
I said ultimately. Like kippers you're just focussed upon short term victories.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, it falls to me to once again push uphill the Sisyphian rock and try to educate you:
Carthage wasn't wiped out until the Third Punic War, nearly a century later. And it was then rebuilt.
After Cannae Hannibal remained undefeated in Italy for a decade.
He had to go back home because lesser men had lost Iberia to Scipio.
Don't lose Zama, Carthage would still have existed. 0 -
http://www.starwars.com/games-apps/star-wars-crawl-creatorTGOHF said:
I find your lack of faith disturbing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kippers are committing the second worse strategic and tactical descision since Emperor Palpatine allowed the Rebel Alliance to know the location of the second Death Star.TGOHF said:
Plus a free 5 year Labour government with Europhilia sauce.TheScreamingEagles said:
Voting kipper won't get you one in 2017Socrates said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you want a referendum in 2017 or do you want one after Ed has been PM?Socrates said:
Strange then, that Carswell voted for a referendum now, while the bulk of the other three parties didn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is like Cannae, overrated numpty gets a hollow victory but ultimately sets himself for a defeat that wipes out his people foreverMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
UKIP heading for a milestone. But will it be an victory like Cannae (tactically awesome but not a strategic breakthrough)?
Explains why Kippers don't want a referendum, it will be their Zama
A simple yes or no will suffice
When Darth Farage ensures the evil Labour Empire will be back in charge for 5 long tough years I will hoping to be frozen in carbonite until 2020..0 -
Ash: A Secret HistoryMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, no, but I shall peruse it on Amazon and perhaps make a note to buy it later.
Edited extra bit: what's the title, incidentally?
Some parts of it might be consider conjecture0
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