There was me thinking the clue was in the headline. And as an example this closing statement -
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As with my questions to Neil and others on here, it is daft to expect Europhiles to ever respond to direct questions. They simply have no answers.
Oh dear how sad for you but...
''A priority of CETA is to promote the movement of skilled labour between the EU and Canada. The agreement will accordingly include provisions for the temporary entry of a wide range of workers from various categories of business persons, including short-term business visitors, investors, intra-company transferees, and various professionals.The agreement will accordingly substantially facilitate the movement of workers and investors between the EU and Canada.
There are already several provisions under the North American Free Trade Agreement (“NAFTA”) that facilitates the movement of workers between Canada, the United States, and Mexico. NAFTA specifically encourages the movement of a range of skilled workers such as Accountants, Management Consultants, Engineers, and various categories of Scientists. NAFTA also has a broad range of business visitor categories, along with provisions intended to facilitate intra-company transferees. CETA will further open of Canada’s labour market to foreign markets. In return, Canadians will find it easier to search for and secure investment and work opportunities abroad.''
The notion that 'free trade' in the modern world does not include movement of labour and indeed labour standards is crass and naive. CETA includes provisions for common labour standards. Its true (but no surprise) that movement within the Continent of Europe is more general than across the Atlantic Ocean - but our economy is closer to Canada's anyway - move free movement there is. No answers? Will Kippers admit to the lies of their leadership?
Not sure why you are directing that at me.
1. I probably spend more time on here criticizing Farage than almost anyone else. 2. I have made clear in my discussions with my regular sparring partner RCS100 that whilst I am not a great fan of mass migration, the migration question is not one that taxes me with regard to the EU - hence my view that membership of EFTA would be a good result. 3. In all these discussions over the last few days on this I have not once mentioned immigration as an issue. 4. Unlike yourself I have always stated clearly my dislike of all parties and it is the criticism I level most often at others on here. Parties don't matter. Principles do.
"Ashya King’s entire family has been banned from visiting him in hospital in Spain as part of “inhuman” restrictions placed on them after the five-year-old cancer patient was made a ward of court by a judge. "
He is under the Spanish authorities at present, not our own. Whatever ones sympathies, one cannot deny the parents have form for taking the child without permission.
No they haven't. They dont need permission, he is their son
Mr Tyndall - ''And you really believe , given all he has said, that Cameron would be an honest broker in that situation? ''
You are becoming tiresome. I should be more patient but your words are absurd beyond parody. Cameron has been clear in what he has said. I'm fed up of quoting it. Its clear enough. It might not go far enough for you and you are perfectly free to vote against whatever results come out. There are sensible arguments to be had. But your irrational stance to pretend that he will not negotiate hard enough makes no sense. Not least because you are actively working to ensure a man in power who will not even negotiate at all and not offer a referendum at all.
UKIP and the extreme right are simply using the issue to destroy the centre right. Farage and Carswell want to destroy the rational right. Its nihilism in action.
And as I pointed out earlier today absolutely nothing you quoted in any way answered the questions that were being directed at you. You simply picked up a random quote that mentioned the EU and used that to try and support your ludicrous position.
As a Cameroon fanatic I expect nothing better from you and as such it pleases me that you find it tiresome.
First thoughts on Germany. As this is the first time I've been here in 5 years.
I'm in Koblenz, a mildly handsome town where the Rhine meets the Mosel (I'm writing a piece on touring the Rhineland).
This is the most export driven part of Germany. Yet it doesn't feel like the engine room of a European hegemon. It feels mildly prosperous yet there are lots of scruffy bits. I took a notably knackered inter city train from Frankfurt, to get here. Weeds sprout in city squares.
You can tell that German wages are static. This is not a booming country. It's doing ok, but no more. Sehr interessante. .
Fast trains go on the new direct line from Frankfurt to Koeln etc. winding along the Rhine on an ICE was a great journey but very slow. Incidentally, I'd say that Bavaria is more export driven, at least for higher value exports. The main German state archive used to be Koblenz (which I've never felt is great, notwithstanding the fantastic location). Stronger on the pre-WW1 period...
"Ashya King’s entire family has been banned from visiting him in hospital in Spain as part of “inhuman” restrictions placed on them after the five-year-old cancer patient was made a ward of court by a judge. "
He is under the Spanish authorities at present, not our own. Whatever ones sympathies, one cannot deny the parents have form for taking the child without permission.
No they haven't. They dont need permission
The medical team have to act in the childs best interest. When this conflicts with the parents desires then the legal system adjudicates as to the best interest of the child, hearing both sides of the story.
The parents do need permission to remove the child if such a process is underway. That is the UK law.
First thoughts on Germany. As this is the first time I've been here in 5 years.
I'm in Koblenz, a mildly handsome town where the Rhine meets the Mosel (I'm writing a piece on touring the Rhineland).
This is the most export driven part of Germany. Yet it doesn't feel like the engine room of a European hegemon. It feels mildly prosperous yet there are lots of scruffy bits. I took a notably knackered inter city train from Frankfurt, to get here. Weeds sprout in city squares.
You can tell that German wages are static. This is not a booming country. It's doing ok, but no more. Sehr interessante. .
Funnily enough driving around Germany the last couple of years I felt the exact opposite. Almost every bridge, motorway and factory looks like it is being rebuilt. There appears to be an absolutely huge amount of investment in infrastructure and it gave the impression, perhaps falsely it seems, that Germany was booming.
"Ashya King’s entire family has been banned from visiting him in hospital in Spain as part of “inhuman” restrictions placed on them after the five-year-old cancer patient was made a ward of court by a judge. "
He is under the Spanish authorities at present, not our own. Whatever ones sympathies, one cannot deny the parents have form for taking the child without permission.
No they haven't. They dont need permission
The medical team have to act in the childs best interest. When this conflicts with the parents desires then the legal system adjudicates as to the best interest of the child, hearing both sides of the story.
The parents do need permission to remove the child if such a process is underway. That is the UK law.
Whilst clearly you are right regarding the principle, was such a process underway in this case?
A somewhat confused article by Andrew (as much of his stuff sometimes is) He thinks modernisation didn't go far enough, and thinks this is down to the choice of topics - like the EU. Then he talks about authenticity, and says we wouldn't be authentic if we didn't talk about it.
He seems to want more focus on the economy and public services. But makes no mention of housing or immigration - two huge issues.
He gets a little closer to the real lesson in the final paragraph (when he talks about the Conservative party needing to talk about its beliefs)
The trouble is that the present leaders don't have any.
Come off it Socrates - ' The headline argued for limits to free movement of people, but nothing on free movement of labour. What restrictions has Cameron argued for in terms of limiting workers moving in the EU? ' What a delerious bit of dissembling. Headline ''Free movement within Europe needs to be less free'' Thats the clue. Geddit 'clue'
The first sentance then says ... 'On January 1, the people of Romania and Bulgaria will have the same right to work in the UK as other EU citizens. I know many people are deeply concerned about the impact that could have on our country. I share those concerns.' 'right to work' -- the article is about work.
Further on after a long list of restrictions we read, 'So Britain, as part of our plan to reform the EU, will now work with others to return the concept of free movement to a more sensible basis.' No way can you say the issue of restricting the rules on movemnt have not been discussed.
" the issue lies with the consumers who are too lazy to switch banks and too willing to accept poor service."
I might be one of the people you are talking about there. I have been with the same bank since I got married and with the same branch for more than twenty years. We have other accounts elsewhere for specific things (e.g. savings and going out on the razzle) but the basic day to day stuff remains with the same bank that it always has, and why should it not. OK they make a few quid out of me each year, but whenever I have needed money in an emergency ( e.g. a new boiler or a new car for Herself) they have never yipped or even asked questions. Where then is this poor service that should make people change banks? Staying with a bank so that they can see you and get to know you seems, even in this internet age, a much better bet, and one I wager that your family firm encourages.
Looks like we're getting a good for Yes Indyref Yougov poll tonight
@bbcnickrobinson: Interviewing @AlexSalmond in the morning at a distillery. He'll be smiling & may even raise a glass when he sees latest YouGov poll
Last one was Yes 35, No 55, Undecided 10.
That was the last YouGov for the Sun, the last one by YouGov was Yes 38, No 51 DK 11
Yeah, edited my original post once I realised my mistake.
We've all done it.
WoS is tweeting that they received a tip it may be Yes 47 (+4) No 53 (-4).
Wings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 5m Starting to seem like I may have been over-sceptical about a tipoff that tonight's YouGov poll could be a stunning Y47 N53. From YG, huge.
But it would be wrong to understand the “yes” vote merely through the prism of the harassment of Mr Murphy. YouGov’s poll for this newspaper in July showed an 18-point lead in favour of the Union. A poll today has narrowed the gap to six points. Two trends explain this shift. First, undecided voters are moving to the “yes” side by a ratio of two to one. Second, the percentage of Labour supporters intending to vote yes has risen dramatically, from 13 per cent to 30.
"Ashya King’s entire family has been banned from visiting him in hospital in Spain as part of “inhuman” restrictions placed on them after the five-year-old cancer patient was made a ward of court by a judge. "
He is under the Spanish authorities at present, not our own. Whatever ones sympathies, one cannot deny the parents have form for taking the child without permission.
No they haven't. They dont need permission
The medical team have to act in the childs best interest. When this conflicts with the parents desires then the legal system adjudicates as to the best interest of the child, hearing both sides of the story.
The parents do need permission to remove the child if such a process is underway. That is the UK law.
Whilst clearly you are right regarding the principle, was such a process underway in this case?
We only hear one side of the story as the hospital cannot breach confidentiality.
Such a process can be started in an emergency if ward staff have grounds to believe there is risk of harm to a child. This can take place even after the child has been taken, though this requires notifying the child protection team on call and the police via them if they agree.
Every hospital has such a system, most often used when a paediatrician suspects non-accidental injury, but in other circamstances too.
First thoughts on Germany. As this is the first time I've been here in 5 years.
I'm in Koblenz, a mildly handsome town where the Rhine meets the Mosel (I'm writing a piece on touring the Rhineland).
This is the most export driven part of Germany. Yet it doesn't feel like the engine room of a European hegemon. It feels mildly prosperous yet there are lots of scruffy bits. I took a notably knackered inter city train from Frankfurt, to get here. Weeds sprout in city squares.
You can tell that German wages are static. This is not a booming country. It's doing ok, but no more. Sehr interessante. .
Fast trains go on the new direct line from Frankfurt to Koeln etc. winding along the Rhine on an ICE was a great journey but very slow. Incidentally, I'd say that Bavaria is more export driven, at least for higher value exports. The main German state archive used to be Koblenz (which I've never felt is great, notwithstanding the fantastic location). Stronger on the pre-WW1 period...
Maybe it was in a better place to avoid invasion by the Russians or being blown up by The Bomb?
As for your comment on a post-EU deal, that's just bollocks. The Korean-EU FTA, or the coming Canadian-EU FTA don't involved free movement of labour. I have made this point a dozen times, and none of you Europhile Tories have a response to it.
Poppycock. Yes, you've made this silly point many times, and many times it has been rebutted.
It's nonsense like that which convinces me that the Out side can never win. To persuade people to make the leap, the Out side will have to address genuine (and some spurious) concerns about the effect on jobs and prosperity. The idea that voters will accept the proposition that 'it's OK, the very limited access to the Single Market which South Korea has is enough' is preposterous.
Quite apart from anything else, it doesn't include the market for services, which is absolutely key for the UK.
But if you really think the arguments are so strong, why on earth are you so afraid of a referendum that you want to torpedo it?
@HurstLlama has made my point already - but -'d amplify that it's the French that keep frustrating things.
Additionally they seemed determined to try and loot one of our leading industries with an extraterritorial tax that will dramatically reduce the competitiveness of the UK
If you call rip-offs and recurrent criminality one of our key industries .......
Oi! Be fair, Mr Brooke, I carry no flame for bankers, though Mr Charles seems a good egg and the ladies at the Lloyds Bank Branch in Hassocks are always charming, but banking and associated services are about the only thing that have kept this country afloat for as long as I can remember. Probably not a good thing, not a healthy thing, but until you metal-bashers start generating gazillions of profits from overseas sales we haven't got anything else.
Every time we generate cash we get sold off and our operations closed down and shipped overseas. Go figure as the colonials would say.
Maybe if we had a CoE who understood setting up a factory is a damned sight more complex than a hairdressing parlour we'd be in better shape.
If we had a Chancellor whose goals were aligned to British business we might be in with a shout. Osborne's ain't and he now seems to be wholly owned by the Treasury, who have been fucking up the UK since at least 1945.
The Times says the YouGov has the No leading by six points.
In July it was 18.
Catastrophic. I now think the union is lost, YES has all the momentum. Cameron will resign. Labour are totally f*cked for a generation.
Recession will ensue for us all.
Dark times.
Unbelievably inept and cringingly awful campaign by NO, led by SLab. They knew how seasoned a political campaigner Salmond was. They still let him outfox and get the better of them - again.
Don't agree with the recession or Cameron's resignation, but I do agree the Union is now on an absolute knife edge.
Here's the thing, is it movement of voters, or the undecideds splitting.
From the Times
First, undecided voters are moving to the “yes” side by a ratio of two to one. Second, the percentage of Labour supporters intending to vote yes has risen dramatically, from 13 per cent to 30.
Went on a primary school trip to Koblenz in the early 90s, including wine tasting. This was children aged 9 to 11. At the time I thought it was a good idea, but it seems a bit young now.
"Ashya King’s entire family has been banned from visiting him in hospital in Spain as part of “inhuman” restrictions placed on them after the five-year-old cancer patient was made a ward of court by a judge. "
He is under the Spanish authorities at present, not our own. Whatever ones sympathies, one cannot deny the parents have form for taking the child without permission.
No they haven't. They dont need permission
The medical team have to act in the childs best interest. When this conflicts with the parents desires then the legal system adjudicates as to the best interest of the child, hearing both sides of the story.
The parents do need permission to remove the child if such a process is underway. That is the UK law.
Whilst clearly you are right regarding the principle, was such a process underway in this case?
We only hear one side of the story as the hospital cannot breach confidentiality.
Such a process can be started in an emergency if ward staff have grounds to believe there is risk of harm to a child. This can take place even after the child has been taken, though this requires notifying the child protection team on call and the police via them if they agree.
Every hospital has such a system, most often used when a paediatrician suspects non-accidental injury, but in other circamstances too.
The law maybe an ass, but it is still the law.
1. The law is still enacted by people; it is not the "law" that is the ass.
2. If the hospital could not break confidentiality, why was it released that they were Jehovah's Witnesses?
Here's the thing, is it movement of voters, or the undecideds splitting.
From the Times
First, undecided voters are moving to the “yes” side by a ratio of two to one. Second, the percentage of Labour supporters intending to vote yes has risen dramatically, from 13 per cent to 30.
First thoughts on Germany. As this is the first time I've been here in 5 years.
I'm in Koblenz, a mildly handsome town where the Rhine meets the Mosel (I'm writing a piece on touring the Rhineland).
This is the most export driven part of Germany. Yet it doesn't feel like the engine room of a European hegemon. It feels mildly prosperous yet there are lots of scruffy bits. I took a notably knackered inter city train from Frankfurt, to get here. Weeds sprout in city squares.
You can tell that German wages are static. This is not a booming country. It's doing ok, but no more. Sehr interessante. .
Koblenz isn't really export territory its wine country. Exports are more the South ( BW and Bavaria ) and further up the Rhine from Cologne on and into the Ruhr.
Are you doing Burg Eltz it's just down the Mosel and worth a visit, The Mosel is nicer than the Rhine imo.
It seems to me, and others, that Germany has not only stood still, but gone backwards ever since Merkel came to power.
"Ashya King’s entire family has been banned from visiting him in hospital in Spain as part of “inhuman” restrictions placed on them after the five-year-old cancer patient was made a ward of court by a judge. "
He is under the Spanish authorities at present, not our own. Whatever ones sympathies, one cannot deny the parents have form for taking the child without permission.
No they haven't. They dont need permission
The medical team have to act in the childs best interest. When this conflicts with the parents desires then the legal system adjudicates as to the best interest of the child, hearing both sides of the story.
The parents do need permission to remove the child if such a process is underway. That is the UK law.
Whilst clearly you are right regarding the principle, was such a process underway in this case?
We only hear one side of the story as the hospital cannot breach confidentiality.
Such a process can be started in an emergency if ward staff have grounds to believe there is risk of harm to a child. This can take place even after the child has been taken, though this requires notifying the child protection team on call and the police via them if they agree.
Every hospital has such a system, most often used when a paediatrician suspects non-accidental injury, but in other circamstances too.
The law maybe an ass, but it is still the law.
1. The law is still enacted by people; it is not the "law" that is the ass.
2. If they could not break confidentiality, why was it released that they were Jehovah's Witnesses?
1) It is up to parliament in Westminster to enact child protection law. If we get asses elected to parliament then we get bad laws, but that is the fault of people who voted for the asses in the first place. Vote silly, get silly.
2) Plenty has been said about this family, but precious little by the hospital concerned. Where the Jehovahs witness aspect came from I do not know, possibly the police who work under different rules.
The Times says the YouGov has the No leading by six points.
In July it was 18.
Catastrophic. I now think the union is lost, YES has all the momentum. Cameron will resign. Labour are totally f*cked for a generation.
Recession will ensue for us all.
Dark times.
They will be dark times on here for sure, can you imagine MalcolmG's conceit. There will be no point in coming here for weeks.
Whisper this: From the point of view of the ordinary English person it will be rather good news,
England is a very flexible country, and will cope very well. I suspect the shock will mostly be North of the border as Salmonds bluster is exposed, but it will be too late to turn back.
Comments
1. I probably spend more time on here criticizing Farage than almost anyone else.
2. I have made clear in my discussions with my regular sparring partner RCS100 that whilst I am not a great fan of mass migration, the migration question is not one that taxes me with regard to the EU - hence my view that membership of EFTA would be a good result.
3. In all these discussions over the last few days on this I have not once mentioned immigration as an issue.
4. Unlike yourself I have always stated clearly my dislike of all parties and it is the criticism I level most often at others on here. Parties don't matter. Principles do.
The world has gone mad
As a Cameroon fanatic I expect nothing better from you and as such it pleases me that you find it tiresome.
@bbcnickrobinson: Interviewing @AlexSalmond in the morning at a distillery. He'll be smiling & may even raise a glass when he sees latest YouGov poll
The parents do need permission to remove the child if such a process is underway. That is the UK law.
@schofieldkevin: Stay tuned for a big #indyref YouGov poll for The Sun coming later ....
Edit - sorry, had the wrong numbers!
He seems to want more focus on the economy and public services. But makes no mention of housing or immigration - two huge issues.
He gets a little closer to the real lesson in the final paragraph (when he talks about the Conservative party needing to talk about its beliefs)
The trouble is that the present leaders don't have any.
Headline
''Free movement within Europe needs to be less free'' Thats the clue. Geddit 'clue'
The first sentance then says ... 'On January 1, the people of Romania and Bulgaria will have the same right to work in the UK as other EU citizens. I know many people are deeply concerned about the impact that could have on our country. I share those concerns.' 'right to work' -- the article is about work.
Further on after a long list of restrictions we read, 'So Britain, as part of our plan to reform the EU, will now work with others to return the concept of free movement to a more sensible basis.'
No way can you say the issue of restricting the rules on movemnt have not been discussed.
" the issue lies with the consumers who are too lazy to switch banks and too willing to accept poor service."
I might be one of the people you are talking about there. I have been with the same bank since I got married and with the same branch for more than twenty years. We have other accounts elsewhere for specific things (e.g. savings and going out on the razzle) but the basic day to day stuff remains with the same bank that it always has, and why should it not. OK they make a few quid out of me each year, but whenever I have needed money in an emergency ( e.g. a new boiler or a new car for Herself) they have never yipped or even asked questions. Where then is this poor service that should make people change banks? Staying with a bank so that they can see you and get to know you seems, even in this internet age, a much better bet, and one I wager that your family firm encourages.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/scottish-town-where-green-is-beyond-the-pale-981747.html
I'm starting to prepare myself for a shock. I'm no longer betting on anything other than turnout.
In July it was 18.
Such a process can be started in an emergency if ward staff have grounds to believe there is risk of harm to a child. This can take place even after the child has been taken, though this requires notifying the child protection team on call and the police via them if they agree.
Every hospital has such a system, most often used when a paediatrician suspects non-accidental injury, but in other circamstances too.
The law maybe an ass, but it is still the law.
The ComRes phone poll for the Indy is out at 10pm
It gives an opportunity to taunt lefties.
Blair and Labour not only did you eff Iraq, you also effed up the UK when we warned you devolution would lead to separation.
Oh, and Lord Robertson, what did you say about devolution killing Scottish nationalism stone dead.
But theres not a fag paper between Blair and Cameron so taunting from Cameroons would be a bit hollow
The timetable just doesn't work.
Dave will fight 2015 on a "I'll see through the transition then step down" Blair type ticket.
David Cameron, a TORY PRIME MINISTER WHO BROKE UP THE UK.
Britain has survived lots of worse things than a Yes vote (though worth noting that No are still winning in the polls)
Don't agree with the recession or Cameron's resignation, but I do agree the Union is now on an absolute knife edge.
Idiots.
First, undecided voters are moving to the “yes” side by a ratio of two to one. Second, the percentage of Labour supporters intending to vote yes has risen dramatically, from 13 per cent to 30.
1. The law is still enacted by people; it is not the "law" that is the ass.
2. If the hospital could not break confidentiality, why was it released that they were Jehovah's Witnesses?
Whisper this: From the point of view of the ordinary English person it will be rather good news,
Ever been in a working man's club?
2) Plenty has been said about this family, but precious little by the hospital concerned. Where the Jehovahs witness aspect came from I do not know, possibly the police who work under different rules.
They could have told punters a while ago about things like undecideds, Labour supporters, turnout, ground campaigns etc.
;-)