Writing in his blog, Mr Cummings added further detail about his account of the discussions leading up to the party on 20 May.
The former advisor claimed that day in 2020 was a "particularly intense shambles" of a day. He alleged Mr Johnson's principal private secretary (PPS), Martin Reynolds, sent out the email inviting 100 staff to "socially distanced drinks in the No 10 garden", but "a very senior official replied by email saying the invite broke the rules".
After discussing it in private, he claimed the PPS said he would "check with the PM if he's happy for it to go ahead", adding: "I am sure he did check with the PM."
Mr Cummings said he then challenged Mr Johnson himself. "I said to the PM something like, 'Martin's invited the building to a drinks party, this is what I'm talking about, you've got to grip this madhouse'," he wrote. "The PM waved it aside."
Desperate attempt by No 10 to move this on to a cultural systemic thing. As Cummings is pointing out this evening.
Whether No 10 staff got legless all day every day in pre-covid is not the same as whether they did so when it was AGAINST THE FUCKING LAW THEY MADE.
Indeed. That has more likes than any post I've seen since I joined this site.
And it's the context: the godawful sacrifices we all made through that horrendous winter when that w*nker was boozing it up breaking his own rules that he enforced on us.
Writing in his blog, Mr Cummings added further detail about his account of the discussions leading up to the party on 20 May.
The former advisor claimed that day in 2020 was a "particularly intense shambles" of a day. He alleged Mr Johnson's principal private secretary (PPS), Martin Reynolds, sent out the email inviting 100 staff to "socially distanced drinks in the No 10 garden", but "a very senior official replied by email saying the invite broke the rules".
After discussing it in private, he claimed the PPS said he would "check with the PM if he's happy for it to go ahead", adding: "I am sure he did check with the PM."
Mr Cummings said he then challenged Mr Johnson himself. "I said to the PM something like, 'Martin's invited the building to a drinks party, this is what I'm talking about, you've got to grip this madhouse'," he wrote. "The PM waved it aside."
Bye!
Just a question now of whether we need a caretaker PM or he will remain in post whilst Sunak is elected.
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Beth Rigby on @SkyNews just reported she now has a second senior source inside No. 10 who backs Cummings' account, that Johnson was warned about the party he claims he knew nothing of and didn't realise was a party. This means PM flat-out lied to Parliament (and to his own MPs). https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1483134113171312641
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
No, when Dave left, everyone else left, and I'd remind you, Dave hadn't passed laws and regulations banning meeting up and drinking for the country, different times and circumstances.
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
The "Boris Question" on the ballot for Tory MPs and members seems to be boiling down to something rather familiar. It's either Leave or Remain & Reform. The latter being that he stays but on the condition he becomes a "Better Boris". Cummings again running the Leave campaign.
Tories face a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with Rishi, or continued chaos with Boris.
ISTR strong and stable government has been promised by all the 3 Tory PM'S we have endured over the past 11 years. Fool me three times...
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
I missed it, but have we done Big John admitting the enquiry found that he was guilty of some of the allegations? Though he maintains that the investigator was a kangaroo:
A parliamentary inquiry will conclude that John Bercow, the former Speaker, bullied three House of Commons members of staff, he has revealed, denouncing it as as “kangaroo court”.
The parliamentary commissioner for standards, Kathryn Stone, has found Bercow guilty on 21 counts out of 35 brought by Robert Lisvane, the former clerk of the Commons, and private secretaries Kate Emms and Angus Sinclair, he told the Sunday Times.
The former Speaker, who stood down in 2019, said he is appealing against Stone’s ruling, with a final decision expected by the end of the month.
I linked this report yesterday and Bercow seems to have leaked the report and is appealing
Should Kathryn Stone confirm her findings post his appeal he faces a lifetime ban from Parliament and the House of Lords
I assume he will be unique in this respect as I do not know of any speaker receiving this sanction
During the Commonwealth? IIRC one ran away for a couple of decades, and another one was impeached.
Restoration, too.
I quite like the idea of a kangaroo court. Presumably the judge & jury are kangaroos. Who else? The prosecution? defence barristers? Or are they drop bears?
A criminal court tries criminals, and a family court tries families. So I've always assumed a kangaroo court tries kangaroos.
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Yes, I see that, but TSEs point was that there wasn't a drinking culture under Cameron, by providing an account which shows that there was.
Come on Boris, this is done and dusted now. You Got Brexit Done, you got us all vaxxed, you got us all boostered, and you kept us out of Lockdowns 4, 5 and 6 (which Labour would not have done). You have also returned the UK economy to pre-pandemic size (against all expectations, and ahead of Italy Spain and GERMANY)
It's not a bad record and history will judge you as a transformative if transient PM, way more important than the last three....
But this is toxic. Time to go. Pretending to send migrants to Lesotho in a non-existent ark is not gonna save you
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Yes, I see that, but TSEs point was that there wasn't a drinking culture under Cameron, by providing an account which shows that there was.
Beth Rigby on @SkyNews just reported she now has a second senior source inside No. 10 who backs Cummings' account, that Johnson was warned about the party he claims he knew nothing of and didn't realise was a party. This means PM flat-out lied to Parliament (and to his own MPs). https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1483134113171312641
No Malmsy. If this were real elections in Tory areas who don’t like labour, Libdems would get the votes the opinion polls ain’t acknowledging. I’m sure of it.
I think I’m sure of it. Pollsters earn money for being clever about this, I need to respect that.
Well, I'm in a seat (SW Surrey, Hunt's seat) which is classically Tory (53%) but has a vigorous LibDem presence (39%). Labour got 8% last time. The recent MRP poll showed Tories down to 43%, LibDems also down to 29, and Labour up to 22. But I don't think most of this is a Labour surge - what it chiefly shows is the huge extent of tactical voting by people who are actually Labour supporters. Asked in a mid-term poll, they truthfully say they support Labour. At election time, after delivery of 20 LibDem leaflets, many swing tactically. So you're right that there's plenty of potential for LibDem votes where it matters, though not all of them are necessarily devotees of Ed Davey.
What the LibDems need to do to have a shot at winning seats like this is (a) focus ruthlessly on the winnable seats (b) treat Labour and Green voters in those seats with respect ("Please lend us your votes", not "Your party is hopeless") and (c) try to be quietly helpful in local elections rather than seek to get 100% of the non-Tory seats. Labour should do exactly the same in reverse, and we're all in business.
I see Ken Livingstone is joining the Greens, by the way.
And where are NPxMP's politics these days? Have you repented of your Corbyn fascination?
Vigorous LDs are pretty nasty - I'm sure rentokill can help.
I remain fond of Jeremy, and would like a Labour programme with meaningful progressive commitments, rather than merely patriotism and stability, nice though those things are. As a trivial example, several higher council tax brackets and one or two lower ones - it is ridiculous that people in houses worth millions only pay just over 3 times someone in a bedsit. We lefties would also like some commitments that aren't that obvious - e.g. foreign aid back at 0.7%.
I expect some commitments will be along in due course. For now, I'm just enjoying the polling party.
I'd remind you all that in the run up to GE2015 it was said on here and elsewhere (by respected people) that the Tories needed a lead of 10% in the popular vote to get a majority of 2.
My boy Dave did it with a 6.5% lead, Scotland was an irrelevance, had Labour won every seat in Scotland, the Tories would have won a majority of 10 instead of 12.
So I'd be wary of sticking 13% Labour leads into electoral calculus and saying no Labour majority.
I will eat a pizza with pineapple on it if Labour don't get a majority with a double digit lead.
Yep. Did it with a small swing TO Labour in E+W as well. UNS really isn't a thing anymore.
Take the Redfield as example (though it has been called wrong for too low Lib score) Lab Lib Green 59% Tory’s 30%. So in unfair fight of vote lending UNS could fail to call a Tory bloodbath.
In politics always be aware of those who assure you 1+1 always equals 2.
PS I got that last line from Baron Noir, anyone else watched that? 🙂
Beth Rigby on @SkyNews just reported she now has a second senior source inside No. 10 who backs Cummings' account, that Johnson was warned about the party he claims he knew nothing of and didn't realise was a party. This means PM flat-out lied to Parliament (and to his own MPs). https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1483134113171312641
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Yes, I see that, but TSEs point was that there wasn't a drinking culture under Cameron, by providing an account which shows that there was.
A glass once every few weeks isn't a drinking culture, one event I went to, there was no drinking, but plenty of singing.
The "Boris Question" on the ballot for Tory MPs and members seems to be boiling down to something rather familiar. It's either Leave or Remain & Reform. The latter being that he stays but on the condition he becomes a "Better Boris". Cummings again running the Leave campaign.
Tories face a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with Rishi, or continued chaos with Boris.
As a leftie, Rishi's the one I fear. I still don't think he will turn it around now but it might be good damage limitation for the tories.
Liz Truss will be made mincemeat before the electorate.
The "Boris Question" on the ballot for Tory MPs and members seems to be boiling down to something rather familiar. It's either Leave or Remain & Reform. The latter being that he stays but on the condition he becomes a "Better Boris". Cummings again running the Leave campaign.
Tories face a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with Rishi, or continued chaos with Boris.
ISTR strong and stable government has been promised by all the 3 Tory PM'S we have endured over the past 11 years. Fool me three times...
To misquote the 1950 Liberal slogan ‘Time we had the LibDems back!’
Not that it did any good for the then Liberal Party.
Come on Boris, this is done and dusted now. You Got Brexit Done, you got us all vaxxed, you got us all boostered, and you kept us out of Lockdowns 4, 5 and 6 (which Labour would not have done). You have also returned the UK economy to pre-pandemic size (against all expectations, and ahead of Italy Spain and GERMANY)
It's not a bad record and history will judge you as a transformative if transient PM, way more important than the last three....
But this is toxic. Time to go. Pretending to send migrants to Lesotho in a non-existent ark is not gonna save you
Signed, wearily,
a one time Borisovian
Remind him how much money is waiting for him when he shuffles off.
"Shakespeare: the genius who was nearly as good as me" is still awaiting publication.
Writing in his blog, Mr Cummings added further detail about his account of the discussions leading up to the party on 20 May.
The former advisor claimed that day in 2020 was a "particularly intense shambles" of a day. He alleged Mr Johnson's principal private secretary (PPS), Martin Reynolds, sent out the email inviting 100 staff to "socially distanced drinks in the No 10 garden", but "a very senior official replied by email saying the invite broke the rules".
After discussing it in private, he claimed the PPS said he would "check with the PM if he's happy for it to go ahead", adding: "I am sure he did check with the PM."
Mr Cummings said he then challenged Mr Johnson himself. "I said to the PM something like, 'Martin's invited the building to a drinks party, this is what I'm talking about, you've got to grip this madhouse'," he wrote. "The PM waved it aside."
Bye!
Just a question now of whether we need a caretaker PM or he will remain in post whilst Sunak is elected.
Perhaps Boris should say, 'Remember that figure about the NHS on the side of that bus? You can't trust a word Cummings says!'
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
🚨 @BethRigby now has two confirmed Downing St sources confirming PM knew about the Downing St party in May 🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now 🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Yes, I see that, but TSEs point was that there wasn't a drinking culture under Cameron, by providing an account which shows that there was.
A glass once every few weeks isn't a drinking culture, one event I went to, there was no drinking, but plenty of singing.
Indeed not, but since you weren't at every event, and since (I'm guessing here) the events just sort of died when Cameron left, rather than people being formally asked to leave, your account, whilst adding interesting colour, only proves solidly that BYOB was already a thing.
🚨 @BethRigby now has two confirmed Downing St sources confirming PM knew about the Downing St party in May 🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now 🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
I wonder if the real killer wasn't Dom but Her Majesty the Queen. That desperate image of her sitting alone in Westminster Abbey when the Downing St mob had been partying on the eve of his funeral has enraged people: especially the kind of people in the Conservative membership.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
🚨 @BethRigby now has two confirmed Downing St sources confirming PM knew about the Downing St party in May 🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now 🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
Gray will keep having to put back her publication date as the new information floods in.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
We just had the Brexiteers in charge, and it was fucking chaos.
BoZo, the PM who "got Brexit done" will be remembered as fondly as the PM who "got Suez done"
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
No chance. Firstly the EU don't want us in a hokey-cokey state. Neither do half the people who voted remain.
🚨 @BethRigby now has two confirmed Downing St sources confirming PM knew about the Downing St party in May 🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now 🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
I wonder if the real killer wasn't Dom but Her Majesty the Queen. That desperate image of her sitting alone in Westminster Abbey when the Downing St mob had been partying on the eve of his funeral has enraged people: especially the kind of people in the Conservative membership.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
Not really. Cameron got elected in 2014 and called his EU vote in 2016
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Yes, I see that, but TSEs point was that there wasn't a drinking culture under Cameron, by providing an account which shows that there was.
A glass once every few weeks isn't a drinking culture, one event I went to, there was no drinking, but plenty of singing.
Indeed not, but since you weren't at every event, and since (I'm guessing here) the events just sort of died when Cameron left, rather than people being formally asked to leave, your account, whilst adding interesting colour, only proves solidly that BYOB was already a thing.
I'm still in contact with the people who worked for Dave, they said they never drank like this under Dave's premiership, even when they wanted, they didn't have the time or the energy to do so.
To cite one example, after the Indyref you would have thought that was a reason for the mother of all benders, nope, they went home and slept, as they didn't have much sleep the month before the vote, once the result was in, their focus turned to the Tory conference which was a week away.
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Yes, I see that, but TSEs point was that there wasn't a drinking culture under Cameron, by providing an account which shows that there was.
A glass once every few weeks isn't a drinking culture, one event I went to, there was no drinking, but plenty of singing.
Indeed not, but since you weren't at every event, and since (I'm guessing here) the events just sort of died when Cameron left, rather than people being formally asked to leave, your account, whilst adding interesting colour, only proves solidly that BYOB was already a thing.
Struggling to understand how you come to that perverse conclusion given the evidence TSE has set out.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
You're barking. Labour don't have a plan to rejoin. Not anytime in the forseable.
If BoZo the Liar, who got sacked for telling lies, twice, gets defenestrated for telling more lies, then just perhaps some people will come to questions whether his promises over Brexit were not quite as true as he claimed...
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
Tbf he also does aliens, covid origins, wine, holidays, woke and the end of the world.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
You're barking. Labour don't have a plan to rejoin. Not anytime in the forseable.
FFS move on! They have.
If they could go for free movement and closer trading links that would be enough at this stage.
🚨 @BethRigby now has two confirmed Downing St sources confirming PM knew about the Downing St party in May 🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now 🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
Gray will keep having to put back her publication date as the new information floods in.
Bojo gone by end Mar has inexplicably lengthened to 4.5. I have topped up and had a microscopic flutter on end jan
Beth Rigby on @SkyNews just reported she now has a second senior source inside No. 10 who backs Cummings' account, that Johnson was warned about the party he claims he knew nothing of and didn't realise was a party. This means PM flat-out lied to Parliament (and to his own MPs). https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1483134113171312641
Not sure that is conclusive proof. The PM will say he always disagreed it was a party, despite the warnings, therefore of course he did not realise it was a party because it wasn't one.
No-one seems particularly focused that it did not have to be a party to be against the law, it merely had to be not essential for work purposes. I think the open non mandatory invitation in the email is clear proof that the meeting was non essential.
My take is that today’s stuff from Cummo is aimed directly at Gray, not at Bozo per se or to public opinion. He’s making her wonder whether she’s been told the whole truth and concentrating her mind on the possibility that if she does a whitewash, it - and her credibility - could be blown out of the water by subsequent revelations. He’s trying to keep her honest.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
You clearly don't read my many posts that are scare-mongering about Covid, boasting about my sex life, boasting about selling stories from my young mistress about UFOS in Tooting to the Mail, recounting my adventures in Antarctica, discussing the best way to make a smoked haddock risotto, or baiting anyone with a Scot Nat tendency
Stay. Hang out. My output is diverse, but hysterical
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
🚨 @BethRigby now has two confirmed Downing St sources confirming PM knew about the Downing St party in May 🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now 🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
I wonder if the real killer wasn't Dom but Her Majesty the Queen. That desperate image of her sitting alone in Westminster Abbey when the Downing St mob had been partying on the eve of his funeral has enraged people: especially the kind of people in the Conservative membership.
If what dom says is true that Johnson tried to go and see hmq knowing he was potentially infectious...
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
No chance. Firstly the EU don't want us in a hokey-cokey state. Neither do half the people who voted remain.
The key is in your last sentence. Half of Remainers really DO want to revisit this question ASAP
It still dominates their thinking and emotions. That's 24% of the country, and a lot more - as a percentage - of Labour activists, pundits, writers, MPs - I suggest, Starmer himself was a 2nd voter. He wanted to overturn democracy
They will not stay quiet. They cannot help themselves. Tho they will try
The "Boris Question" on the ballot for Tory MPs and members seems to be boiling down to something rather familiar. It's either Leave or Remain & Reform. The latter being that he stays but on the condition he becomes a "Better Boris". Cummings again running the Leave campaign.
Tories face a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with Rishi, or continued chaos with Boris.
Tugenhadt was on R4 PM, substantially more impressive than Sunak.
No Malmsy. If this were real elections in Tory areas who don’t like labour, Libdems would get the votes the opinion polls ain’t acknowledging. I’m sure of it.
I think I’m sure of it. Pollsters earn money for being clever about this, I need to respect that.
Well, I'm in a seat (SW Surrey, Hunt's seat) which is classically Tory (53%) but has a vigorous LibDem presence (39%). Labour got 8% last time. The recent MRP poll showed Tories down to 43%, LibDems also down to 29, and Labour up to 22. But I don't think most of this is a Labour surge - what it chiefly shows is the huge extent of tactical voting by people who are actually Labour supporters. Asked in a mid-term poll, they truthfully say they support Labour. At election time, after delivery of 20 LibDem leaflets, many swing tactically. So you're right that there's plenty of potential for LibDem votes where it matters, though not all of them are necessarily devotees of Ed Davey.
What the LibDems need to do to have a shot at winning seats like this is (a) focus ruthlessly on the winnable seats (b) treat Labour and Green voters in those seats with respect ("Please lend us your votes", not "Your party is hopeless") and (c) try to be quietly helpful in local elections rather than seek to get 100% of the non-Tory seats. Labour should do exactly the same in reverse, and we're all in business.
I see Ken Livingstone is joining the Greens, by the way.
Well, no. Of course I respect being leftish Labour you are not interested in Lib above 9 nationally, nor Bob Unit out on West Coast whose Tory.
But.
92 - 18% 97 - 17% 01 - 18% 05 - 22% 10 - 23%
That’s what Lib Dem got. That’s where they should be. To poll that in general elections they need to poll that consistently in opinion polls. It needs it now to prove they have 2015 out their system and can again poll better in GE. Arguably to get Labour votes where it matters at GE requires betting polling and recognition mid term.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
No chance. Firstly the EU don't want us in a hokey-cokey state. Neither do half the people who voted remain.
The key is in your last sentence. Half of Remainers really DO want to revisit this question ASAP
It still dominates their thinking and emotions. That's 24% of the country, and a lot more - as a percentage - of Labour activists, pundits, writers, MPs - I suggest, Starmer himself was a 2nd voter. He wanted to overturn democracy
They will not stay quiet. They cannot help themselves. Tho they will try
Yes, because if Remain had won, no Leaver would have wanted to overturn the result in the future with a future election victory.
If BoZo the Liar, who got sacked for telling lies, twice, gets defenestrated for telling more lies, then just perhaps some people will come to questions whether his promises over Brexit were not quite as true as he claimed...
You mean my unicorn version of Brexit with free trade and no freedom of movement except for us British won't occur. I'm shocked...
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
Not really. Cameron got elected in 2014 and called his EU vote in 2016
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
This is why a lot of Tories want to get rid of Boris, they are now worrying about a Labour majority that unwinds Brexit. Rishi as PM might not get an 80 seat majority but ultimately a 20-30 seat majority kicks any Labour government that tries to unwind Brexit into 2029 at which point we'll be so far diverged from the EU that going back is untenable.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
No chance. Firstly the EU don't want us in a hokey-cokey state. Neither do half the people who voted remain.
The key is in your last sentence. Half of Remainers really DO want to revisit this question ASAP
It still dominates their thinking and emotions. That's 24% of the country, and a lot more - as a percentage - of Labour activists, pundits, writers, MPs - I suggest, Starmer himself was a 2nd voter. He wanted to overturn democracy
They will not stay quiet. They cannot help themselves. Tho they will try
But this is why the PM is in such trouble. He embodies two things. COVID and Brexit. Both of which everyone bar you is absolutely sick to the back teeth of. That is why we haven't seen disgust. We have seen visceral rage.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
No chance. Firstly the EU don't want us in a hokey-cokey state. Neither do half the people who voted remain.
The key is in your last sentence. Half of Remainers really DO want to revisit this question ASAP
It still dominates their thinking and emotions. That's 24% of the country, and a lot more - as a percentage - of Labour activists, pundits, writers, MPs - I suggest, Starmer himself was a 2nd voter. He wanted to overturn democracy
They will not stay quiet. They cannot help themselves. Tho they will try
No, 24% might vote for it and actively want it. For 5-10% it might dominate their political thinking. For 1-2% it might dominate their thinking.
What may be possible by 2024 is discussion on some form of associate membership something like EFTA/EEA but tailored to the UK.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
We all read your Spectator piece. You don’t have to effectively plug it. You really need to get over this. You won. The referendum has been honoured. The future, however, is up for grabs. Why would it necessarily be a problem? Eight weeks ago we were wondering when Labour would ever get a poll lead again. I’m not sure a more ameliorative attitude would be at all unpopular. They won’t rejoin the EU but you’d best get used to the idea of a relationship more akin to Switzerland’s. Because that’s where we’ll end up.
🚨 @BethRigby now has two confirmed Downing St sources confirming PM knew about the Downing St party in May 🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now 🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
I wonder if the real killer wasn't Dom but Her Majesty the Queen. That desperate image of her sitting alone in Westminster Abbey when the Downing St mob had been partying on the eve of his funeral has enraged people: especially the kind of people in the Conservative membership.
If what dom says is true that Johnson tried to go and see hmq knowing he was potentially infectious...
1st question at PMQs: Did you visit the Queen while positive with Covid-19?
Doesn't really matter of its true, already associate the parties with Her Maj so there is blood in the water.
EXC: Desperate No 10 officials have explored use of sonic weapons to turn small boats around in Channel - but met extreme resistance from the Home Office and Border Force..
No Malmsy. If this were real elections in Tory areas who don’t like labour, Libdems would get the votes the opinion polls ain’t acknowledging. I’m sure of it.
I think I’m sure of it. Pollsters earn money for being clever about this, I need to respect that.
Well, I'm in a seat (SW Surrey, Hunt's seat) which is classically Tory (53%) but has a vigorous LibDem presence (39%). Labour got 8% last time. The recent MRP poll showed Tories down to 43%, LibDems also down to 29, and Labour up to 22. But I don't think most of this is a Labour surge - what it chiefly shows is the huge extent of tactical voting by people who are actually Labour supporters. Asked in a mid-term poll, they truthfully say they support Labour. At election time, after delivery of 20 LibDem leaflets, many swing tactically. So you're right that there's plenty of potential for LibDem votes where it matters, though not all of them are necessarily devotees of Ed Davey.
What the LibDems need to do to have a shot at winning seats like this is (a) focus ruthlessly on the winnable seats (b) treat Labour and Green voters in those seats with respect ("Please lend us your votes", not "Your party is hopeless") and (c) try to be quietly helpful in local elections rather than seek to get 100% of the non-Tory seats. Labour should do exactly the same in reverse, and we're all in business.
I see Ken Livingstone is joining the Greens, by the way.
Nick, I knew SWSurrey very well. I was heavily involved in the joint SWSurrey/Guildford campaign when we won Guildford and missed SWSurrey by a few hundred. SWSurrey was the main target. With a week to go it looked like Guildford was the better chance as proved correct.
A confidential poll was carried out in SWSurrey by the LDs, as this was a top target, at the beginning of the campaign. The details were not disclosed. At that point Labour were just in 2nd place. This is before everyone is reminded that it is a close Tory/LD fight with tons of leaflets.
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
Sort of chimes with what Tony Blair said - we were all too tired for that.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
Not really. Cameron got elected in 2014 and called his EU vote in 2016
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
I can't see Sir Keir wanting to get bogged down in all that - negotiating the terms of our re-entry alone would take years. What's in it for him? (Unless he's secretly obsessed with Boris and intends to get some deranged pleasure from wrecking his legacy.)
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
You clearly don't read my many posts that are scare-mongering about Covid, boasting about my sex life, boasting about selling stories from my young mistress about UFOS in Tooting to the Mail, recounting my adventures in Antarctica, discussing the best way to make a smoked haddock risotto, or baiting anyone with a Scot Nat tendency
Stay. Hang out. My output is diverse, but hysterical
The risotto is colluding with the BBC in putting the specialist press out of biz
In case it ever happens to me, would I as a randomer have stood a chance of selling the tooting UAP to the Mail or would I need some sort of journo credentials to get through the door?
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
No chance. Firstly the EU don't want us in a hokey-cokey state. Neither do half the people who voted remain.
The key is in your last sentence. Half of Remainers really DO want to revisit this question ASAP
It still dominates their thinking and emotions. That's 24% of the country, and a lot more - as a percentage - of Labour activists, pundits, writers, MPs - I suggest, Starmer himself was a 2nd voter. He wanted to overturn democracy
They will not stay quiet. They cannot help themselves. Tho they will try
Yes, because if Remain had won, no Leaver would have wanted to overturn the result in the future with a future election victory.
Well actually no, they would not. Of course a hardcore of Leavers would have kept the faith but it would have been a tiny cult of Farageists and Bill cash. Everyone else would have shrugged and said OK, we're in for the long haul, fuck this, let's get on with it
the difference is that the hardcore of Remainers is massive, and much more influential, and with every day that passes they go crazier. LOOK WHAT YOU VOTED FOR YOU BREXITY THICKOS. WHAT WAS BREXIT ABOUT YOU MORONS. YES I AM ANGRY. MY NAME IS FBPE. I HAVE FLAGS IN MY BIO!!
No way Starmer gets to ignore this vocal constituency. Polly Toynbee is probably writing her first Rejoin column right now
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
Not really. Cameron got elected in 2014 and called his EU vote in 2016
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
So what? If the people want it they’ll vote for it. If they don’t they won’t. The referendum’s been honoured. Its mandate past. That’s how democracy works.
Brexit been such a resounding success I see, you have to vote Tory to keep it. Because. Reasons. My precioussss or summat. PS. There is a representative sample of Remainers on this site I reckon. Care to name the 50% of us desperate to re-open the whole tedious process?
Come on Boris, this is done and dusted now. You Got Brexit Done, you got us all vaxxed, you got us all boostered, and you kept us out of Lockdowns 4, 5 and 6 (which Labour would not have done). You have also returned the UK economy to pre-pandemic size (against all expectations, and ahead of Italy Spain and GERMANY)
It's not a bad record and history will judge you as a transformative if transient PM, way more important than the last three....
But this is toxic. Time to go. Pretending to send migrants to Lesotho in a non-existent ark is not gonna save you
Signed, wearily,
a one time Borisovian
Remind him how much money is waiting for him when he shuffles off.
"Shakespeare: the genius who was nearly as good as me" is still awaiting publication.
A twist on the pointed question as to why God created Shakespeare a better write than (s/)he was in the bible?
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh Tory MP tells me they had more than 500 emails from constituents 'by Saturday night alone'. “That’s 500 against Boris. I had just 20 supporting him.”
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh · 38m "Seven of the 20 [pro-Johnson emails] were so similar they looked as though they were sent by the same person. "Far be it from me to suggest this, but perhaps the regional office of the Conservative party was assisting people with their drafting...."
George Eaton @georgeeaton · 1m The Tories spinning the licence fee freeze as a “cost-of-living” measure after cutting Universal Credit, raising taxes and doing nothing on energy bills is darkly comic. Quote Tweet Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries · 3h We simply cannot justify putting extra pressure on the wallets of hard-working households. That's why we're freezing the Licence Fee.
Red circle LIVE: My statement to @HouseofCommons Down pointing backhand index
70p a month pays for about 3 kwh of electricity at post April prices. No one is going to care that the licence fee has remained the same when energy prices have gone sky high.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
Not really. Cameron got elected in 2014 and called his EU vote in 2016
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
There’s no chance of the UK rejoining for the foreseeable future . The EU doesn’t want another load of drama , Remainers I know still think Brexit is a fxcking disaster but wouldn’t want another referendum anytime soon . There would have to be a massive shift in opinion to a huge majority to rejoin and I can’t see that happening for a generation.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
You clearly don't read my many posts that are scare-mongering about Covid, boasting about my sex life, boasting about selling stories from my young mistress about UFOS in Tooting to the Mail, recounting my adventures in Antarctica, discussing the best way to make a smoked haddock risotto, or baiting anyone with a Scot Nat tendency
Stay. Hang out. My output is diverse, but hysterical
The risotto is colluding with the BBC in putting the specialist press out of biz
In case it ever happens to me, would I as a randomer have stood a chance of selling the tooting UAP to the Mail or would I need some sort of journo credentials to get through the door?
I wouldn’t have tried as it was clearly a plane, just like the one I posted earlier...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 5m EXC: Desperate No 10 officials have explored use of sonic weapons to turn small boats around in Channel - but met extreme resistance from the Home Office and Border Force..
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
You don’t need a referendum to join the EEA and CU, and since this was always the most sensible way to start Brexit anyway, the political cost for their doing so will be limited, particularly if the Tories have demonstrated that they can’t control the borders and that Brexit means aa semi-open door to India
The "Boris Question" on the ballot for Tory MPs and members seems to be boiling down to something rather familiar. It's either Leave or Remain & Reform. The latter being that he stays but on the condition he becomes a "Better Boris". Cummings again running the Leave campaign.
Tories face a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with Rishi, or continued chaos with Boris.
Tugenhadt was on R4 PM, substantially more impressive than Sunak.
I’m not here to be really really rude Pete, but your politics is weird.
EXC: Desperate No 10 officials have explored use of sonic weapons to turn small boats around in Channel - but met extreme resistance from the Home Office and Border Force..
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
Not really. Cameron got elected in 2014 and called his EU vote in 2016
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
This is why a lot of Tories want to get rid of Boris, they are now worrying about a Labour majority that unwinds Brexit. Rishi as PM might not get an 80 seat majority but ultimately a 20-30 seat majority kicks any Labour government that tries to unwind Brexit into 2029 at which point we'll be so far diverged from the EU that going back is untenable.
Yes, exactly. As so often, you get it, when others don't
Rishi is also a LEAVER. Unlike Truss or Hunt
Mordaunt is likewise LEAVE
No way the Tories will install a Remainer, at this perilous juncture, unless Truss can do an amazingly convincing sermon espousing her Conversion to Brexit
This is just the Sonia Khan story recycled, yet again. Far too much credence is being given to one SPAD's tales of drinking culture at No. 10. She was at No. 10 relatively briefly before Cummings marched her out, though she'd been in Whitehall a few years. There's little corroboration of a long-standing drinking culture at No. 10. I have reason to believe it's a relatively recent phenomenon, partly caused by the closure of pubs during lockdown, but also by the appointment of lots of young whizz kids by the Cummings/Johnson regime.
As someone who went to a few Downing Street events under Dave, there really wasn't that much of a drinking culture, there'd be a bottle of wine/etc that four people might share, they really didn't have the time or energy to go out on regular benders, plus Dave had a young family upstairs, he was keen to spend time with them, and everyone buggered off early into the night.
So you're confirming that pretty much the same thing, with the same format, happened under Cameron. Cameron himself may not have stayed, but nobody is accusing Boris of staying either.
Yes but. Cameron didn't forbid the rest of the country from doing it. Which is the real issue at hand here.
Yes, I see that, but TSEs point was that there wasn't a drinking culture under Cameron, by providing an account which shows that there was.
A glass once every few weeks isn't a drinking culture, one event I went to, there was no drinking, but plenty of singing.
Indeed not, but since you weren't at every event, and since (I'm guessing here) the events just sort of died when Cameron left, rather than people being formally asked to leave, your account, whilst adding interesting colour, only proves solidly that BYOB was already a thing.
I'm still in contact with the people who worked for Dave, they said they never drank like this under Dave's premiership, even when they wanted, they didn't have the time or the energy to do so.
To cite one example, after the Indyref you would have thought that was a reason for the mother of all benders, nope, they went home and slept, as they didn't have much sleep the month before the vote, once the result was in, their focus turned to the Tory conference which was a week away.
They did during the evening I spent with Cammo at number ten. But then that was billed as a drinks event and was after hours.
EXC: Desperate No 10 officials have explored use of sonic weapons to turn small boats around in Channel - but met extreme resistance from the Home Office and Border Force..
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
It’s because he too wrote two letters, but still couldn’t decide.
Come on Boris, this is done and dusted now. You Got Brexit Done, you got us all vaxxed, you got us all boostered, and you kept us out of Lockdowns 4, 5 and 6 (which Labour would not have done). You have also returned the UK economy to pre-pandemic size (against all expectations, and ahead of Italy Spain and GERMANY)
It's not a bad record and history will judge you as a transformative if transient PM, way more important than the last three....
But this is toxic. Time to go. Pretending to send migrants to Lesotho in a non-existent ark is not gonna save you
Signed, wearily,
a one time Borisovian
Remind him how much money is waiting for him when he shuffles off.
"Shakespeare: the genius who was nearly as good as me" is still awaiting publication.
A twist on the pointed question as to why God created Shakespeare a better write than (s/)he was in the bible?
God didn't write the bible (but he did write the Koran and book of Mormon)
Shakespeare vs kjv, William probably wins on points but not a slam dunk
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
You clearly don't read my many posts that are scare-mongering about Covid, boasting about my sex life, boasting about selling stories from my young mistress about UFOS in Tooting to the Mail, recounting my adventures in Antarctica, discussing the best way to make a smoked haddock risotto, or baiting anyone with a Scot Nat tendency
Stay. Hang out. My output is diverse, but hysterical
The risotto is colluding with the BBC in putting the specialist press out of biz
In case it ever happens to me, would I as a randomer have stood a chance of selling the tooting UAP to the Mail or would I need some sort of journo credentials to get through the door?
A good story always has a chance, indeed an excellent chance: the UK press is competitive and voracious and loves stories
But you'd have been hard pushed to go from random Whatsapp message from young lady to getting it in the paper 3 hours later
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
It's at least two years since I've encountered anyone so obsessed about Brexit as you still are.
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
Stay. Hang out. My output is diverse, but hysterical
He really is trapped now. Obliged to offer implausible accounts in an effort to avoid admitting legal liability when a story breaks, then the inevitable disintegration of the "will this do?" excuse just extends the story further. Then there's another party, and another excuse... https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1483170290859446274
The "Boris Question" on the ballot for Tory MPs and members seems to be boiling down to something rather familiar. It's either Leave or Remain & Reform. The latter being that he stays but on the condition he becomes a "Better Boris". Cummings again running the Leave campaign.
Tories face a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with Rishi, or continued chaos with Boris.
ISTR strong and stable government has been promised by all the 3 Tory PM'S we have endured over the past 11 years. Fool me three times...
The "Boris Question" on the ballot for Tory MPs and members seems to be boiling down to something rather familiar. It's either Leave or Remain & Reform. The latter being that he stays but on the condition he becomes a "Better Boris". Cummings again running the Leave campaign.
Tories face a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with Rishi, or continued chaos with Boris.
ISTR strong and stable government has been promised by all the 3 Tory PM'S we have endured over the past 11 years. Fool me three times...
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
No chance. Firstly the EU don't want us in a hokey-cokey state. Neither do half the people who voted remain.
The key is in your last sentence. Half of Remainers really DO want to revisit this question ASAP
It still dominates their thinking and emotions. That's 24% of the country, and a lot more - as a percentage - of Labour activists, pundits, writers, MPs - I suggest, Starmer himself was a 2nd voter. He wanted to overturn democracy
They will not stay quiet. They cannot help themselves. Tho they will try
Yes, because if Remain had won, no Leaver would have wanted to overturn the result in the future with a future election victory.
Well actually no, they would not. Of course a hardcore of Leavers would have kept the faith but it would have been a tiny cult of Farageists and Bill cash. Everyone else would have shrugged and said OK, we're in for the long haul, fuck this, let's get on with it
the difference is that the hardcore of Remainers is massive, and much more influential, and with every day that passes they go crazier. LOOK WHAT YOU VOTED FOR YOU BREXITY THICKOS. WHAT WAS BREXIT ABOUT YOU MORONS. YES I AM ANGRY. MY NAME IS FBPE. I HAVE FLAGS IN MY BIO!!
No way Starmer gets to ignore this vocal constituency. Polly Toynbee is probably writing her first Rejoin column right now
Polly's been adamant that the national trauma of another Brexit war shouldn't be revisited.
If Labour do return to power, especially if they get an unexpected majority, I wonder how long it will be before their ill-concealed Remainer instincts come to the fore?
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
There's no way back without a referendum which would take years to organize and legislate for.
Not really. Cameron got elected in 2014 and called his EU vote in 2016
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
This is why a lot of Tories want to get rid of Boris, they are now worrying about a Labour majority that unwinds Brexit. Rishi as PM might not get an 80 seat majority but ultimately a 20-30 seat majority kicks any Labour government that tries to unwind Brexit into 2029 at which point we'll be so far diverged from the EU that going back is untenable.
There’s nothing to unwind . Not sure why Leavers can’t accept the win and move on .
He really is trapped now. Obliged to offer implausible accounts in an effort to avoid admitting legal liability when a story breaks, then the inevitable disintegration of the "will this do?" excuse just extends the story further. Then there's another party, and another excuse... https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1483170290859446274
Any chance he can extend his hiding in the fridge medical isolation?
About 2 or 3 years should do the trick.
Though at this rate, the Conservative poll ratings will be negative well before the local elections.
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The former advisor claimed that day in 2020 was a "particularly intense shambles" of a day. He alleged Mr Johnson's principal private secretary (PPS), Martin Reynolds, sent out the email inviting 100 staff to "socially distanced drinks in the No 10 garden", but "a very senior official replied by email saying the invite broke the rules".
After discussing it in private, he claimed the PPS said he would "check with the PM if he's happy for it to go ahead", adding: "I am sure he did check with the PM."
Mr Cummings said he then challenged Mr Johnson himself. "I said to the PM something like, 'Martin's invited the building to a drinks party, this is what I'm talking about, you've got to grip this madhouse'," he wrote. "The PM waved it aside."
And it's the context: the godawful sacrifices we all made through that horrendous winter when that w*nker was boozing it up breaking his own rules that he enforced on us.
We will never forget. We will never forgive.
Just a question now of whether we need a caretaker PM or he will remain in post whilst Sunak is elected.
Which is the real issue at hand here.
Toast.
Fool me three times...
It's not a bad record and history will judge you as a transformative if transient PM, way more important than the last three....
But this is toxic. Time to go. Pretending to send migrants to Lesotho in a non-existent ark is not gonna save you
Signed, wearily,
a one time Borisovian
I expect some commitments will be along in due course. For now, I'm just enjoying the polling party.
In politics always be aware of those who assure you 1+1 always equals 2.
PS I got that last line from Baron Noir, anyone else watched that? 🙂
Bye Red Wall Northern Tories.
Thanks for your contribution.
Liz Truss will be made mincemeat before the electorate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_DwE7nU6o
Not that it did any good for the then Liberal Party.
"Shakespeare: the genius who was nearly as good as me" is still awaiting publication.
🚨 Sue Gray report may be delayed now
🚨 *All* Tory MPs she’s been speaking to say constituents are furious and are in a worse mood than last week https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1483156617021509636
Half of them are the bastard offspring of A C Grayling and @Scott_xP
They have never accepted Brexit, they would reverse it tomorrow (by a coup, if necessary) and Starmer is one of theirs. A 2nd voter. A Trumpite on the left, who was willing to overturn democracy by thwarting the referendum
Can they really keep their primal instincts concealed? It's like asking alcoholics to be happy with alcohol free lager, even tho their best friend now has the keys to the pub. It's not gonna work
At some point this is gonna become a real problem for Labour, I just wonder if it will be before or after the next election. If the polls stay amazing (for the left), it might come before
BoZo, the PM who "got Brexit done" will be remembered as fondly as the PM who "got Suez done"
You mention Brexit in every single post on here.
Starmer could do the same
And if we are ever going to Rejoin it need to be sooner rather than later, the more years go by, the more the UK settles into an ex-EU situation, the more theidea of Rejoining seems insane
I predict this will become quite a burning issue, if Labour retains dazzling polls. Watch the Guardian op-ed pages
"Time for a Rethink" blah blah blah
"Starmer has a golden opportunity to settle the EU Question"
And so forth
To cite one example, after the Indyref you would have thought that was a reason for the mother of all benders, nope, they went home and slept, as they didn't have much sleep the month before the vote, once the result was in, their focus turned to the Tory conference which was a week away.
FFS move on! They have.
Stay. Hang out. My output is diverse, but hysterical
It still dominates their thinking and emotions. That's 24% of the country, and a lot more - as a percentage - of Labour activists, pundits, writers, MPs - I suggest, Starmer himself was a 2nd voter. He wanted to overturn democracy
They will not stay quiet. They cannot help themselves. Tho they will try
We're at about the stage of trying out the cyanide on Blondi.
But.
92 - 18%
97 - 17%
01 - 18%
05 - 22%
10 - 23%
That’s what Lib Dem got. That’s where they should be. To poll that in general elections they need to poll that consistently in opinion polls. It needs it now to prove they have 2015 out their system and can again poll better in GE. Arguably to get Labour votes where it matters at GE requires betting polling and recognition mid term.
Pause
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
etc
Who to despise more, Boris or Cummings.
Hard one.
He embodies two things. COVID and Brexit.
Both of which everyone bar you is absolutely sick to the back teeth of.
That is why we haven't seen disgust.
We have seen visceral rage.
What may be possible by 2024 is discussion on some form of associate membership something like EFTA/EEA but tailored to the UK.
Doesn't really matter of its true, already associate the parties with Her Maj so there is blood in the water.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17354454/sonic-weapons-migrants-boats-channel/
A confidential poll was carried out in SWSurrey by the LDs, as this was a top target, at the beginning of the campaign. The details were not disclosed. At that point Labour were just in 2nd place. This is before everyone is reminded that it is a close Tory/LD fight with tons of leaflets.
In case it ever happens to me, would I as a randomer have stood a chance of selling the tooting UAP to the Mail or would I need some sort of journo credentials to get through the door?
the difference is that the hardcore of Remainers is massive, and much more influential, and with every day that passes they go crazier. LOOK WHAT YOU VOTED FOR YOU BREXITY THICKOS. WHAT WAS BREXIT ABOUT YOU MORONS. YES I AM ANGRY. MY NAME IS FBPE. I HAVE FLAGS IN MY BIO!!
No way Starmer gets to ignore this vocal constituency. Polly Toynbee is probably writing her first Rejoin column right now
Because. Reasons. My precioussss or summat.
PS. There is a representative sample of Remainers on this site I reckon.
Care to name the 50% of us desperate to re-open the whole tedious process?
@paulwaugh
Tory MP tells me they had more than 500 emails from constituents 'by Saturday night alone'.
“That’s 500 against Boris. I had just 20 supporting him.”
Paul Waugh
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"Seven of the 20 [pro-Johnson emails] were so similar they looked as though they were sent by the same person.
"Far be it from me to suggest this, but perhaps the regional office of the Conservative party was assisting people with their drafting...."
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1483155648825204738
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We simply cannot justify putting extra pressure on the wallets of hard-working households. That's why we're freezing the Licence Fee.
Red circle LIVE: My statement to @HouseofCommons Down pointing backhand index
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/ec0c2031-c46d-4fb3-b3ab-66c16ba6d477
70p a month pays for about 3 kwh of electricity at post April prices. No one is going to care that the licence fee has remained the same when energy prices have gone sky high.
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EXC: Desperate No 10 officials have explored use of sonic weapons to turn small boats around in Channel - but met extreme resistance from the Home Office and Border Force..
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1483167702105608202
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Utterly desperate and out of control.
It's like the last hours of Nixon.
Rishi is also a LEAVER. Unlike Truss or Hunt
Mordaunt is likewise LEAVE
No way the Tories will install a Remainer, at this perilous juncture, unless Truss can do an amazingly convincing sermon espousing her Conversion to Brexit
Hunt has zero chance
Shakespeare vs kjv, William probably wins on points but not a slam dunk
But you'd have been hard pushed to go from random Whatsapp message from young lady to getting it in the paper 3 hours later
He really is trapped now. Obliged to offer implausible accounts in an effort to avoid admitting legal liability when a story breaks, then the inevitable disintegration of the "will this do?" excuse just extends the story further. Then there's another party, and another excuse...
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1483170290859446274
https://twitter.com/AlbaMerchandise/status/1483159332917288966
About 2 or 3 years should do the trick.
Though at this rate, the Conservative poll ratings will be negative well before the local elections.