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Italy makes vaccinations compulsory for the over 50s – politicalbetting.com
Italy makes vaccinations compulsory for the over 50s – politicalbetting.com
The sheer scale of the number of infections to the latest omnicom variant and the speed that it is spreading have caused Italy to be the first major country to make vaccinations compulsory. This will be for those of 50 and above.
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- New cases: 17,232
- Average: 7,798 (+916)
- In hospital: 290 (+39)
- In ICU: 50 (+2)
- New deaths: 6
- Average: 1 (-)
Ashes is cancelled. No cricket on tonight it seems.
BREAKING: U.S. reports 716,714 new coronavirus cases, setting world record for cases in one day
I imagine what they will go with is making life just a pain in the arse if you aren't plus not being able to access leisure, bars, restaurants etc. The Italians are already very good at making life a pain in the arse if you need to apply for anything. No vaccination, you can't renew your passport, your driving licence, your car tax, without add loads of extra steps e.g. unvaccinated can only do it every 3rd Thursday of every 3rd month....
Or they could go down the route of you get added tax / fine every year you don't.
Incidentally, Italy abandoned need for PCR confirmation of positive LFT test three days ago. LFT result deemed sufficient proof.
The Tories are failing to retain a huge chunk of people who voted for them in 2019. So are the Lib Dems, but presumably that is mostly folk who refused to back Corbyn now willing to vote tactically for Starmer’s party to get rid of the Sleaze Party.
The SNP has fantastic retention (I cannot recall ever seeing any party retaining 96% before). And those 2% LD-voters and 1% Lab-voters planning on voting SNP next time round might look tiny in a UK context, but are huge chunks of the SLD and SLab vote.
Retention of 2019 voters:
SNP 96% (Grn 3%, LD 2%)
Lab 86% (Grn 4%, Con 4%, LD 3%, SNP 1%, Refuk 1%)
Con 79% (Lab 11%, Refuk 5%, LD 3%)
LD 70% (Lab 17%, Con 8%, Grn 3%, SNP 2%)
How are 2019 DNVs planning on voting next time:
Lab 57%
Con 20%
LD 8%
Grn 6%
Refuk 6%
Will not vote, again 4%
(Redfield & Wilton Strategies, 3 January, sample = 2,000)
Next state to leave the European Union?
Italy 7/2
Greece 6/1
Poland 7/1
France 8/1
Austria 12/1
Czechia 13/1
Netherlands 14/1
Spain 14/1
Hungary 14/1
Portugal 16/1
Cyprus 18/1
Belgium 25/1
Ireland 25/1
Sweden 33/1
Germany 33/1
Croatia 33/1
Bulgaria 33/1
Slovenia 33/1
Denmark 33/1
Slovakia 33/1
Romania 33/1
Finland 40/1
Estonia 40/1
Latvia 40/1
Lithuania 40/1
Malta 50/1
Luxembourg 66/1
- The lack of an enzyme in the body causes the fatal nerve-wasting disease Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's Disease, an Italian study has shown, raising hope for new treatment options.
- Italy’s inflation rate hits 3.9%
- Sicily returning fragment of Parthenon to Greece (Ahem… British Museum)
- Cases of COVID-19 in children and teenagers below the age of 18 in Italy almost doubled in the week between December 28 and January 3. The number of youngsters hospitalised also almost doubled from 66 to 123.
- Italy's small islands will be 'exiled' by vaccine restrictions, warn mayors. From Monday, Italy will only allow vaccinated citizens who have a "super green pass" to use public transport, such as planes and boats. The pass will only work for Italians who have been fully vaccinated against the virus or have recently recovered from infection. A negative test will no longer be sufficient to use transport under next week's new rules. But a number of officials have warned that some island residents will now be unable to travel to the Italian mainland and will find themselves in "forced exile". Most of Italy's 87 small islands -- which are represented by ANCIM -- have no permanent health facilities.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/05/uk-firm-goes-from-debt-to-205m-thanks-to-lucrative-covid-test-deals
Note that they are both expensive (the margin on them for both the Chinese manufacturers and the US middlemen Innova will be very large), and an absolute bargain compared to PCR. Which they are also vastly superior to in terms of preventing mass transmission.
Welcome to PB, Mr. Pensfold.
Not a fan of mandatory vaccination.
Going to be an interesting test of human rights when some anti-vaxxers cite Article 2 of the ECHR - claiming they are being deprived of their right to life by a compulsory vaccination that could give them a deadly blood clot....
Shall we just tell the England players to get themselves on the same plane as No-Vax the tennis player?
We, and other countries, might not have compulsory vaccination but I suggest that vaxports... are raising their head again.
How do I feel about them; not sure.
Wonder what the result of Djokovic's lawyer's intervention will be!
The company, Disruptive Nanotechnology, has gone from debts to £20.5m (URLs can hide very important full stops).
Hard to see how he could do worse.
I'm not saying they are stupid as was suggested. They are being gaslit on an epic scale by their media. But Biden DID win the election. Massively. Fairly. Demonstrably. That they still don't believe it is bonkers.
So I think the film got it pitch perfect. Here is something undeniably true. Just look at it. No, its a fake, don't look at it.
57% of Americans think a repeat attempted coup is likely to occur again. Perhaps the Canadian professor was right and the land of the Maple leaf needs to start preparing for refugees fleeing Gilead...
Britain is not perfect but remains one of the most progressive, least racist, countries in the world. Anyone who is truly concerned about racism or slavery need only to look to the developing world, where both are prevalent and expanding. Look no further than China.
The abolition of slavery and colonialism are major achievements. But Britain is in a death spiral caused by a loss of confidence in itself and what it has achieved over its history. The people who continually do it down and seek to relitigate historic sins have no coherant vision of the future. They are just parasites destroying the host.
Life as a travelling sportsman will be a complete pain in the proverbial, if he ends up with “DEPORTED” stamped in his passport.
Life as a travelling sportsman will also be a pain in the proverbial, if he keeps insisting on not being vaccinated.
The crimes of Empire are not centuries old, there are still survivors of British torture in Kenyan concentration camps alive for example.
I am in favour of making the lives of the non medically exempt unvaccinated hell though.
No benefits for them, ban them from public transport, cinemas, theatres, restaurants, gigs, leaving the country, supermarkets, owning cars etc.
Heck, even deny them the vote.
Absolute balderdash.
The role of historians is to accurately relate the past, as much as available evidence and the power of reason permits. It isn't to super-impose modern day political sensibilities, and that can not only pervert by the bastardry of revisionism what history is taught but make it outright inaccurate.
In Justin Pollard's biography of Alfred he explains that Ivar the Boneless' odd nickname may be down to a mistranslation. In another book on Norse history (well, mythology, but the Sons of Ragnar cover both) it is written without any qualification or alternative that the nickname is because Ivar had cartilage rather than bones and was taken as proof of the shift away from battlefront prowess towards respect for intelligence in leadership.
Vikings always approved of cunning, but the second approach cuts out a valuable, and more probable, explanation of the name.
I recently read a Greek history in which the historian unashamedly referred to Marxism as being a good way to interpret the past. Needless to say, I did not agree.
Not many murderers come under that aegis, though, I expect.
I don't think that the chief architects of that crime should continue to be honoured, especially as our future as a country rests on every one of its citizens, including millions of descendents of slaves, feeling like they have a stake in it. In my opinion it is the statue shaggers who lack any coherent vision of the future - they want us to worship the past without understanding it, and celebrate who we were not who we are or who we could become.
"History" is not fixed even if the actual events themselves are.
Our current lot of aspirational iconoclasts do not want to study history; they want to use it as a quarry to pick out bits and pieces to justify the things they want to do, or have done.
Those talking about 'slavery' want to ignore the black tribes who sold captives from other black tribes to the white man and the Islamic man in order to make money; they want to ignore black on black slavery in Africa (both still within contemporary memory);
They want to forget about the Barbary Trade enslaving European people; they want to ignore the role of Empire in stopping slavery; and they (and perhaps we) want to ignore the wider historical compass, such as the role of slavery as foundational for the ancient societies we say we admire.
They (and we) also need to think about the historic practice of selling-off of war captives.
And they want to destroy history, without studying it in the round.
That imo is why the unthinking anti-colonialist, BLM movements etc have to be questioned strongly enough to address such deliberate biases.
You are putting the cart before the horse. You cannot in a liberal democracy demand these things unless vaccination is firstly made mandatory. Otherwise this would be taking away rights from a cohort of people who had done nothing illegal.
Up to then, individuals who make their own choices within the law are entitled to protection against the views you espouse.
So pass a law that you can either be vaccinated or have to use an NHS approved test per day. Cost £50.
Fines under the Recusancy laws once made up a substantial proportion of state income...
For instance, the Viking ship, which is a highly sophisticated vehicle. Was it solely dispersed farmer-craftsmen and -women who created it or does it hide a complex social and economic structure?
*) Those who, for whatever reason, choose not to get vaccinated but don't spread antivax propaganda.
*) Those who actively are unvaccinated, and gleefully spread antivax propaganda.
Both types are problematic, but the latter group are those who really need targeting. One of the latter group is a parent at my son's school, and he is often spreading antivax propaganda over the village's FB page. He seems to take a manic glee in the arguments it causes - although he doesn't seem to realise that many people don't see TikTok as a valid source of information.
Latest poll is Trump 44% Biden 38% with 8% of Biden 2020 voters now backing Trump
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/joe-biden-administration-approval-ratings-and-hypothetical-voting-intention-18-december-2021/
The way I’d do it in the UK, is an NI surcharge of 5%, which raises a lot of money but is cheap to administer, and for arrivals in the country to either produce vaccination papers or have a week’s institutional quarantine at their own expense.
I strongly dislike restrictions on eg. bars and sporting events, which inconvenience everyone including small businesses.
Which reminds me I must check if the new PAYE RTI files are out.
Payroll is again an IT issue which is why you now find Chancellors announcing stuff a year in advance -
1) because payroll is awkward
2) even yesterday I found 2 different fundamental flaws in the methodology used to be 2 different PAYE providers (the workplace pension tax credit is Funnnnnnnnn).
Way better to insist on regular PCR tests from a private provider with an in person witnesses.
We know that a significant number of Americans have been persuaded to Don't Look Up, that there was no coup, that the election was stolen. If they can be manipulated to believe things they witnessed to have not happened then they can be manipulated to believe anything.
There isn't an obvious USA/CSA border split this time is there?
Letting this rip may be beloved of the cull-set but for most of us who have a heart and soul we're now gambling with many lives.
I am sick and tired of the unvaxxed twats clogging up the NHS and causing people with heart attacks and cancer not getting the treatment they need.
They are destroying the economy and companies thanks to their selfishness.
If anything, ignoring the wider topic of slavery is excusing and belittling the suffering of millions of people, including down to the current day.
Using a failed economic model to look at the past doesn't seem that much of an improvement - especially when it becomes a dogma that blinds you to the fact that progress means an effort is required to access the mind states of the people who inhabited the past. Henry and Co. believed absolutely - and their religion was trivially worth dying for, to them.
I also note the sheer hypocrisy of those getting agitated about this verdict who were all-too-happy to throw their support behind those who overthrew Ceaucescu or the protestors in Tiannamen Square.
Libertarians love the overthrow of oppression until it comes to their turn.
Do it with tax code then. Anyone unvaccinated has tax code 0, no personal allowance.
I don't think Mr Colston's avatar was 'vulnerable and exploited' in that social sense at least, and neither are the Merchant Venturers of Bristol. What actually puzzles me, now I think aboutt it some more, is how they even had a locus in the matter of the plaque to be placed on the statue - unfortunate as it worked so obviously to obstruct progress and prevent the head of political steam from not building up and exploding. What right did they have any more than any other Bristol organization or citizen, to block the actions of the elected mayor?
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-just-1-in-4-americans-want-biden-or-trump-to-run-again-in-2024-190141237.html
But all the polls show that both Biden and Trump are unpopular, and three quarters of Americans don't want another match between them.
By the way, the last line of the header has an unintentional double negative.
I saw a video recently from a Youtube channel I previously liked describing the medieval peasant working habits (different for men and women) as being down to 'outdated gender stereotypes'. Sure... just ignore the biological reality.
Mr. Carnyx, adding to history as new evidence emerges is not only fine, but necessary. Bastardising it to fit in with modern day political ideologies is quite the opposite.
It's an interesting discussion. Where I live (Cologne) within a few metres of my door I walk over a Stolperstein
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolperstein
small brass plaques set in the pavement that just say "here lived" with a name and a date. There are loads of them around the city, they started in Cologne in 1992 and have spread across Germany and beyond. I think they are a good way of remembering victims of Nazism, a lot of the time I don't notice them (any more) as I walk around the neighbourhood, the city, but every now and then I see them and stop and catch my breath.
The AfD and others really don't like them, and they use similar arguments - we should be proud of the many good things in German history, we shouldn't feel guilty about what previous generations did, what about all the other terrible things that other people did, Germany should be confident and not crippled with guilt, the people putting these plaques there are unpatriotic anti-German etc etc.
And then a group of people decided that the democratic process wasn’t important.
(As an aside, the way they have left it damaged and on its side in a museum is an interesting and thoughtful response.)
They find facts distressing.
So I carpet bomb WhatsApp from time to time. In the style of the late, great, Sir Arthur Harris.