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  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    This is the list of Conservative MPs representing London constituencies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Conservative_Party_MPs_in_London

    Do you see any likely candidates there, or do you think the Tories will have to find someone else?
    The GLA members are the other obvious possible source, although there's no standout candidates there either.

    Good name recognition is probably the key requirement to unseat the incumbent.
  • FWIW as someone who's had a bit of contact with him, I think he's genuinely bright, but doesn't usually bother to apply it, since he's found that winging it is enough to win in every walk of life, so long as you're also affable and amusing. That has yet to be disproved, but I agree he's testing it to destruction. I do wonder if he's altogether well at the moment - he's arguably going beyond winging it to something more extreme.
    Looks like Long Covid to me. He’s not quite right.

    But could also be stress, sleep problems, depression, alcohol or some other explanation.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    HYUFD said:

    The DUP could get a say in who the UK government is though if we get a 2017 style result again next time, possible on current polls.

    They will not support a UK government not committed to back the Union even if the GFA criteria for a border poll are met
    Once again read the criteria that triggers a border poll before talking complete rubbish.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087
    eek said:

    Once again read the criteria that triggers a border poll before talking complete rubbish.

    The criteria for triggering a border poll is irrelevant to who the DUP would back if they are Kingmakers again in terms of choosing which party becomes the UK government as they were in 2017
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,394

    Yes. It has been cancelled. On something like 50 occasions the Tories pledged to build NPR in full. Would you like the link to the PM in Manchester saying literally that?

    As the only surviving elements of anything that can be called NPR is a high speed line from Manchester to Marsden and a crayon sketch of a line from Warrington to the airport, the promise is not being delivered. It has been cancelled.
    Sorry about the delay in replying; was out.

    You seem to be under an illusion that high-speed 'NPR' was a set thing; a project that had a well-defined route that had been settled and agreed. It wasn't. AFAIAA it was a series of squiggles on a map; three or four potential routes designed to serve different communities, often mutually incompatibly. Your 'crayon sketch' comment is very true of the situation before last week as well.

    The waveforms of those potential routes were always going to collapse down into one, leaving some towns and cities pi**ed off. The high-speed aspect of NPR is, and always was, different to the route upgrades that will serve the other towns and cities.

    This does not excuse the disgraceful cancellation of much of the eastern phase 2 route.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    Looks like Long Covid to me. He’s not quite right.

    But could also be stress, sleep problems, depression, alcohol or some other explanation.
    Boris likes the idea of “getting things done”.
    But he’s not managed to deliver anything in the manifesto, and levelling up has been butchered by Treasury.

    It’s possible he’s just really fucking bored of the actual job.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    They were really, really bad, and probably responsible for a couple of percentage points off Livingstone’s tally.

    Incidentally the revived Routemaster shows one of Boris’s strengths.

    A dispassionate bureaucrat would have told you that it was impossible to revive the Routemaster, and that no other city on Earth had any call for that apparently irrational form factor.

    Boris went and found a manufacturer and got them made. They work well, in my opinion, and jolly up the cityscape (even if you can’t, contra promise, jump on the back mid-transit, like you could the old ones).
    I never understood the logic of bendy buses, they take up more road space in a city that already has too many cars.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    But as I said that is unenforceable. It is akin to the old Not the Nine O'clock news 'Savage' sketch. Arresting people for 'looking at me in a funny way'. I agree it is a problem and I agree it would be great to dissuade it but practically you are putting laws in place that are, at best, never going to be enforceable (if you need hard evidence) and at worst a charter for anyone who wants to complain about perfectly innocent people (if all you need is the word of the supposed victim).
    With enforcement, a piece of 'sexual harassing' behaviour can be a crime or something short of that threshold, depending on the circumstances, and I don't think this poster changes that. To me it comes over as saying to the men who do the really creepy stuff, "Don't, you might be getting yourself in trouble" and to the women on the receiving end, "You don't have to tolerate it. Tell us." Seems reasonable to me. I see more upside than downside.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,537

    FWIW as someone who's had a bit of contact with him, I think he's genuinely bright, but doesn't usually bother to apply it, since he's found that winging it is enough to win in every walk of life, so long as you're also affable and amusing. That has yet to be disproved, but I agree he's testing it to destruction. I do wonder if he's altogether well at the moment - he's arguably going beyond winging it to something more extreme.
    I agree. He is often compared to Trump; a mini Trump. I don't think this is accurate. Trump is clearly very stupid and believes all sorts of nutty things, which makes him particularly dangerous. Boris isn't and doesn't. Boris is sane. I think Boris wanted the job, not because he wanted to achieve anything in particular, but because he just wanted the job. It is on his bucket list. But the job comes with a to do list and he drew the short straw on that front with the pandemic, although one item on the list, Brexit, he knew he would have to do.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    HYUFD said:

    The criteria for triggering a border poll is irrelevant to who the DUP would back if they are Kingmakers again in terms of choosing which party becomes the UK government as they were in 2017
    You also miss the fact the DUP aren't likely to be kingmakers again.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,269
    eek said:

    It's unavoidable as Covid continues to spread up to the point we get herd immunity.

    As Germany said yesterday, everyone is going to get Covid, the only difference is whether you recover or die from it. Vaccination seems to increase your chance of recovery rather than death by 30 to 80 times (depending on age).
    I don't think the figures are quite that good. The latest weeks report on the ONS data is 24th Sept (death certificate data). Comparing Age Specific Death rates per 100 000 in the >21 day double vaxxed group vs unvaxxed:

    Over 80's 10 vs 40.6
    70-79 2.8 vs 12.2
    60-69 1.1 vs 8.5
    Under 60 0.2 vs 0.4

    This looks to me to be a 4 to 8 fold reduction in mortality depending on age. Other weeks are in keeping.

    There isn't data yet on the ONS site for treble vaxxed, and the above is quite a useful drop, but this is still quite a nasty disease to catch.



  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    I once got in mild trouble with that - a girl on the Tube had a T-shirt with a slogan on it, not in especially large letters. I'm short-sighted so I absent-mindedly looked a bit closer to read it, and got an accusing glare. I immediately realised why I was being glared at, but saying "Sorry, I was only trying to read your slogan" seemed, while true, to make it even worse, so I hastily looked away. I now consciously avoid peering at T-shirt slogans...

    A bit like those bumper stickers which say "If you can read this, you're too close".
    :smile: - Oh dear. Sounds like a Sid James line in Carry On Commuting.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    edited November 2021
    HYUFD said:

    The criteria for triggering a border poll is irrelevant to who the DUP would back if they are Kingmakers again in terms of choosing which party becomes the UK government as they were in 2017
    But that's the exact opposite of what you just posted which was

    Shadow NI Secretary says a Labour government would remain neutral in any future border poll in NI.

    Bang goes Starmer's chances of DUP support in a hung parliament then

    And it's not a UK matter being blunt especially because at the point a border poll is triggered the result is likely to be a forgone conclusion.

    What I do find surprising is that you seem very happy to subsidise Northern Ireland but not other parts of the England.
  • HYUFD said:

    Shadow NI Secretary says a Labour government would remain neutral in any future border poll in NI.

    Bang goes Starmer's chances of DUP support in a hung parliament then

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1463129064420651011?s=20

    How’s that news? I first started learning about politics in the 1970s, and Labour were neutral on the Irish unification question even back then.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    MaxPB said:

    I never understood the logic of bendy buses, they take up more road space in a city that already has too many cars.
    I hate cars. If I ever get any powers again I'd ban the lot.

    Ken Livingstone, 1999
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    How’s that news? I first started learning about politics in the 1970s, and Labour were neutral on the Irish unification question even back then.
    Indeed, didn’t there used to be (and maybe still is) some link between Labour and the SDLP?

    Having said that, HYUFD’s right to point out a certain incompatibility between Labour and the DUP. Overcomeable, though.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,323

    If the Pfizer vaccine is less durable, it might explain why countries with apparently similar levels of vaccination to the UK - but with Pfizer the predominant jab - are now experiencing higher levels of hospitalisation and deaths. The seemingly better T-cell response that comes from the AstraZeneca vaccine may mean it gives longer protection, despite an apparently inferior initial antibody response.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/11/23/astrazeneca-lost-vaccine-battle-europe-us-now-winning-war/

    Maybe, but which specific countries do you have in mind? The only countries I can find with higher current death rates than the UK also have lower levels of vaccination, except Belgium.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    The government really really wish Covid Was Beaten, for all sorts of reasons.

    And wanting something to be true makes it so, doesn't it?
    What do you mean beaten. Exist in the public's mind as something to be avoided but not life-changing? That sounds like beaten to me.

    And as for LFTs I order a set every day. There will come a day when we have to pay for them.

    And I don't take them and haven't taken one since I actually got the bug.
  • To get a No win in an Indyref2, first you need an Indyref2.
    Shhh. He loves his little fantasy world. Don’t point out harsh truths.
  • TOPPING said:

    What do you mean beaten. Exist in the public's mind as something to be avoided but not life-changing? That sounds like beaten to me.

    And as for LFTs I order a set every day. There will come a day when we have to pay for them.

    And I don't take them and haven't taken one since I actually got the bug.
    I wonder why one day we will have to pay for them.......
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,942

    Looks like Long Covid to me. He’s not quite right.

    But could also be stress, sleep problems, depression, alcohol or some other explanation.
    Very simple.
    Being PM is hard work. The incumbent has no experience.
  • Boris likes the idea of “getting things done”.
    But he’s not managed to deliver anything in the manifesto, and levelling up has been butchered by Treasury.

    It’s possible he’s just really fucking bored of the actual job.
    How long will Sunak survive if Johnson turns vindictive? He doesn’t strike me as the kind of personality that will tolerate his programme being butchered by the Treasury.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    Jesus F*****g Christ people.

    Criteria is plural. The criteria *are*....
  • Looks like Long Covid to me. He’s not quite right.

    But could also be stress, sleep problems, depression, alcohol or some other explanation.
    I don't think it is Long Covid, more Long Scrutiny - people are simply noticing characteristics that have always been there, but have previously passed unnoticed. He has two fundamental issues, both of which make him unsuitable as a leader. He is lazy (both physically and intellectually) and he is egotistical. It is a dangerous combo that results in chaotic and disjointed actions and decisions. He genuinely thinks his instinct is likely to be right. Anything more than the back of fag packet approach to understanding the detail is really quite unnecessary. When things go wrong they are other people's fault and they will be made to pay.
  • TOPPING said:

    Jesus F*****g Christ people.

    Criteria is plural. The criteria *are*....

    On which criterion are you basing this assumption?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739

    How long will Sunak survive if Johnson turns vindictive? He doesn’t strike me as the kind of personality that will tolerate his programme being butchered by the Treasury.
    It's too late - Boris has already had a reshuffle and can't now sanely do one until early 2023 - by which point he will have gone.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,119

    They were really, really bad, and probably responsible for a couple of percentage points off Livingstone’s tally.

    Incidentally the revived Routemaster shows one of Boris’s strengths.

    A dispassionate bureaucrat would have told you that it was impossible to revive the Routemaster, and that no other city on Earth had any call for that apparently irrational form factor.

    Boris went and found a manufacturer and got them made. They work well, in my opinion, and jolly up the cityscape (even if you can’t, contra promise, jump on the back mid-transit, like you could the old ones).
    But the promise was open platform, and yet the platforms are never open, and the conductors of the early days are gone. Without either, it’s just an incredibly expensive bus that has the sole advantage of a design that hints, but doesn’t deliver, the freedom of the old jump-on jump-off routemasters, with the downside of being the most unpleasant place to be on those rare days when London suffers warm summer weather.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,964

    This is the list of Conservative MPs representing London constituencies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Conservative_Party_MPs_in_London

    Do you see any likely candidates there, or do you think the Tories will have to find someone else?
    I think Stephen Hammond would be their best bet.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    kinabalu said:

    :smile: - Oh dear. Sounds like a Sid James line in Carry On Commuting.
    “If you can read this slogan please give me money for enhancements”
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    edited November 2021
    When posing for a photo opportunity - check the surroundings

    image
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    I don't think it is Long Covid, more Long Scrutiny - people are simply noticing characteristics that have always been there, but have previously passed unnoticed. He has two fundamental issues, both of which make him unsuitable as a leader. He is lazy (both physically and intellectually) and he is egotistical. It is a dangerous combo that results in chaotic and disjointed actions and decisions. He genuinely thinks his instinct is likely to be right. Anything more than the back of fag packet approach to understanding the detail is really quite unnecessary. When things go wrong they are other people's fault and they will be made to pay.
    Characteristics of a sociopath, according to WebMD

    - Lack of empathy for others
    - Impulsive behavior
    - Attempting to control others with threats or aggression
    - Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others
    - Not learning from mistakes or punishment
    - Lying for personal gain
    - Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights
    - Generally superficial relationships
    - Sometimes, stealing or committing other crimes
    - Threatening suicide to manipulate without intention to act
    - Sometimes, abusing drugs or alcohol
    - Trouble with responsibilities such as a job, paying bills, etc.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    On which criterion are you basing this assumption?
    Oh blessed relief.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    Farooq said:

    You just said "criteria is" though :wink:
    I think I am correct in that and am disobeying the law that says any post pointing out a grammatical failure will itself contain a grammatical failure.

    The word "criteria" like the word "tables" is plural.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266
    TOPPING said:

    Jesus F*****g Christ people.

    Criteria is plural. The criteria *are*....

    First they said "data is" and you did not speak up, because you were not a data scientist.

    .....

    Then they said "criteria is" and by that time there was no one left with any sense of grammar :disappointed:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,820
    Concerning that Northern Ireland is going back to Working From Home. That’s a chunk of the UK with the same vaccination experience as the UK.

    Did NI not open up as early and emphatically as England? What makes Belfast different to London?

    Genuine questions. Because if there isn’t a big difference then WFH could be returning to mainland Britain as well
  • Indeed, didn’t there used to be (and maybe still is) some link between Labour and the SDLP?

    Having said that, HYUFD’s right to point out a certain incompatibility between Labour and the DUP. Overcomeable, though.
    Leaving the constitutional issue to one side, the DUP are instinctively far closer to the centre-left than the centre-right. Their instincts are “big government”.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    Johnson caught telling the truth.

    How novel.
    It’s The flat cap those up north may not actually like.

    But to be really fair to Boris and the Conservatives though, unless I misunderstand it’s not their idea how to solve it?

    There is something I don’t understand about the social care cap please. Why is it an unprogressive flat amount regardless of your wealth and not a percentage amount? This isn’t a dig at current government, because dilnott report seems against percentage and insist on May and Boris capping way of doing it, Kings Fund is against using percentage, and the argument used against using the progressive percentage measure is that it’s far too complicated. But really?

    Edit: the making the promise they couldn’t keep was their own idea though?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087
    eek said:

    But that's the exact opposite of what you just posted which was

    Shadow NI Secretary says a Labour government would remain neutral in any future border poll in NI.

    Bang goes Starmer's chances of DUP support in a hung parliament then

    And it's not a UK matter being blunt especially because at the point a border poll is triggered the result is likely to be a forgone conclusion.

    What I do find surprising is that you seem very happy to subsidise Northern Ireland but not other parts of the England.
    No referendum result is ever a foregone conclusion, as recent events have proved.

    My point that the DUP would never back a party not committed to backing the Union stands.

    The DUP will therefore likely again go with the Tories not Labour if they are kingmakers in a hung parliament
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087

    Leaving the constitutional issue to one side, the DUP are instinctively far closer to the centre-left than the centre-right. Their instincts are “big government”.
    Boris is hardly a laissez-faire, small government Thatcherite either
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    I don't think it is Long Covid, more Long Scrutiny - people are simply noticing characteristics that have always been there, but have previously passed unnoticed. He has two fundamental issues, both of which make him unsuitable as a leader. He is lazy (both physically and intellectually) and he is egotistical. It is a dangerous combo that results in chaotic and disjointed actions and decisions. He genuinely thinks his instinct is likely to be right. Anything more than the back of fag packet approach to understanding the detail is really quite unnecessary. When things go wrong they are other people's fault and they will be made to pay.
    Accurate, I think. And I'd just add the enormous arrogance. Other people need to prep, make serious points, tick the boxes, but not I. I'm first and foremost an entertainer. It's a bit like David Brent if he'd gone to Eton.
  • Farooq said:

    Elections are like conception and governing is like parenting.
    Boris liked being a fornicator. Being a dad has not been high up his agenda.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087
    edited November 2021
    eek said:

    You also miss the fact the DUP aren't likely to be kingmakers again.
    On most current polls we are likely heading for a hung parliament where either the SNP and LDs or DUP will be kingmakers depending on which poll you read.

    So actually there is a significant chance they will be again
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    Selebian said:

    First they said "data is" and you did not speak up, because you were not a data scientist.

    .....

    Then they said "criteria is" and by that time there was no one left with any sense of grammar :disappointed:
    I am and have always been a data are kind of guy.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    HYUFD said:

    No referendum result is ever a foregone conclusion, as recent events have proved.

    My point that the DUP would never back a party not committed to backing the Union stands.

    The DUP will therefore likely again go with the Tories not Labour if they are kingmakers in a hung parliament
    Nope, the DUP will go for whoever writes the biggest cheque.

    However, unless things change the DUP aren't going to be in a position to do so and if the Tories are in the position to need the DUP - Labour will have the first right to try and create a Government, in the same way the Tories had the right back in 2010.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266
    TOPPING said:

    I think I am correct in that and am disobeying the law that says any post pointing out a grammatical failure will itself contain a grammatical failure.

    The word "criteria" like the word "tables" is plural.
    I'd have put a comma after 'Christ', but that might just be me. :tongue:

    Otherwise it appears that you're adressing your comment to the Jesus F*****g Christ people (all Christians, maybe?)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    My daughter’s school is recommending a daily LFT for the students until the end of term.

    There does seem to be a new, slightly raised, anxiety abroad.

    And to what end? We seem to be stuck between people who think we can suppress the virus and those who think we should now get on with living with it. My belief is that parts of Europe are showing that suppressing is not viable in the longer term. If a child is unwell, test them and if positive, keep them off school. But testing every day? Not worth it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812
    kjh said:

    I agree. He is often compared to Trump; a mini Trump. I don't think this is accurate. Trump is clearly very stupid and believes all sorts of nutty things, which makes him particularly dangerous. Boris isn't and doesn't. Boris is sane. I think Boris wanted the job, not because he wanted to achieve anything in particular, but because he just wanted the job. It is on his bucket list. But the job comes with a to do list and he drew the short straw on that front with the pandemic, although one item on the list, Brexit, he knew he would have to do.
    Short straw with the pandemic but also a long one. It's covered up an awful lot.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Undoubtedly it has been pointed out already, but Johnson wasn't really harmed by the 'fu*k business' thing, or his clown act in general. I think it is just a problem when added to all the other stuff, the sleaze problems etc, people might decide that they don't want the clown any more.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266

    And to what end? We seem to be stuck between people who think we can suppress the virus and those who think we should now get on with living with it. My belief is that parts of Europe are showing that suppressing is not viable in the longer term. If a child is unwell, test them and if positive, keep them off school. But testing every day? Not worth it.
    Incoming in the next year or two: cohort or case-control studies on the dangers of shoving (effectively) a cotton bud up your nose every day. :wink:
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266
    Oh, new thread?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,225
    IanB2 said:

    But the promise was open platform, and yet the platforms are never open, and the conductors of the early days are gone. Without either, it’s just an incredibly expensive bus that has the sole advantage of a design that hints, but doesn’t deliver, the freedom of the old jump-on jump-off routemasters, with the downside of being the most unpleasant place to be on those rare days when London suffers warm summer weather.
    The reason the New Route Master buses cost more is that they were designed as "deep" hybrids - with a big battery. In fact, they were designed so that conversion to full electric was relatively simple - at the time they were introduced batteries were still too expensive for that.

    Built in the UK as well.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,119
    dixiedean said:

    Very simple.
    Being PM is hard work. The incumbent has no experience.
    This +1

    Read his life story. He’s a lazy sod who has used his innate ability plus his talent in evading any sanction to breeze through life without really having to apply himself to anything, and feeling he is able to bluff or brazen his way out of any difficult spot that might transpire.

    Becoming FS was his first real test, which by any objective standard he failed, but for reasons well rehearsed many Tories chose to ignore the lessons.

    His second real test is as PM and he is clearly starting to sink beneath the waves.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087
    eek said:

    Nope, the DUP will go for whoever writes the biggest cheque.

    However, unless things change the DUP aren't going to be in a position to do so and if the Tories are in the position to need the DUP - Labour will have the first right to try and create a Government, in the same way the Tories had the right back in 2010.
    If the Tories are in a position to need the DUP with the DUP Kingmakers then the Tories will certainly be comfortably largest party again as they were in 2010 even if short of a majority and would have first right to form a government again
  • Characteristics of a sociopath, according to WebMD

    - Lack of empathy for others
    - Impulsive behavior
    - Attempting to control others with threats or aggression
    - Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others
    - Not learning from mistakes or punishment
    - Lying for personal gain
    - Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights
    - Generally superficial relationships
    - Sometimes, stealing or committing other crimes
    - Threatening suicide to manipulate without intention to act
    - Sometimes, abusing drugs or alcohol
    - Trouble with responsibilities such as a job, paying bills, etc.
    He certainly shows sociopathic tendencies.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    Selebian said:

    I'd have put a comma after 'Christ', but that might just be me. :tongue:

    Otherwise it appears that you're adressing your comment to the Jesus F*****g Christ people (all Christians, maybe?)
    I do have my stream of consciousness his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes moments.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,119
    MaxPB said:

    Oh god the bendy buses. They were so awful.
    Bendy buses work in cities that were designed for traffic, which essentially means the US (just a shame they don’t really do public transport) or the occasional European city that was extensively redesigned in more recent centuries with wide arteries and boulevards. In old London Town, not so much.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,119
    HYUFD said:

    If the Tories are in a position to need the DUP with the DUP Kingmakers then the Tories will certainly be comfortably largest party again as they were in 2010 even if short of a majority and would have first right to form a government again
    You overlook the parlous loss of credibility that would be a consequence of the current big-majority Tories having fallen into such a tragic spot.
  • MaxPB said:

    I never understood the logic of bendy buses, they take up more road space in a city that already has too many cars.
    We used to have them here in the West of Scotland, but with the local culture of fare dodging, they didn't allow the doors in the rear half of the bus to open.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087
    IanB2 said:

    You overlook the parlous loss of credibility that would be a consequence of the current big-majority Tories having fallen into such a tragic spot.
    To form a government you need numbers, a moral loss does not mean you lose power if you still have the numbers.

    Given the choice between a Tory and DUP government or the only viable alternative of a Labour and SNP and LD and DUP and PC and SDLP and Green and Alliance government, it is not difficult to see which would be the more stable
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    IanB2 said:

    Bendy buses work in cities that were designed for traffic, which essentially means the US (just a shame they don’t really do public transport) or the occasional European city that was extensively redesigned in more recent centuries with wide arteries and boulevards. In old London Town, not so much.
    I think it was in Istanbul where they were introduced and abandoned within a week due to the middle bit getting continually grounded...
  • HYUFD said:

    To form a government you need numbers, a moral loss does not mean you lose power if you still have the numbers.

    Given the choice between a Tory and DUP government or the only viable alternative of a Labour and SNP and LD and DUP and PC and SDLP and Green and Alliance government, it is not difficult to see which would be the more stable
    "Stable" government doesn't necessarily mean good government. We have been conned by those with a vested interest that single (or in this suggestion dual party) party government is inherently more stable and better when it is very arguable that it is not
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    MaxPB said:

    I never understood the logic of bendy buses, they take up more road space in a city that already has too many cars.
    The logic was that you have more doors, so people can exit/board more quickly at bus stops. All other things being equal, this would make for faster journey times and fewer problems with queues of buses at bus stops. Worth a trial, which should have revealed all the ways in which the other things were not equal.
  • TOPPING said:

    I do have my stream of consciousness his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes moments.
    Stream of consciousness is a bloody good tune
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    Leon said:

    Concerning that Northern Ireland is going back to Working From Home. That’s a chunk of the UK with the same vaccination experience as the UK.

    Did NI not open up as early and emphatically as England? What makes Belfast different to London?

    Genuine questions. Because if there isn’t a big difference then WFH could be returning to mainland Britain as well

    They loosened restrictions on things like nightclubs a lot later than England. They also have issues with the border with the Republic.
  • Stream of consciousness is a bloody good tune
    Just for the uninitiated ( I know there are some people of good musical taste on here):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpq7MctZcc

    Note guitar solo at about 4 mins in; one of the greatest of all time IMHO.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    And to what end? We seem to be stuck between people who think we can suppress the virus and those who think we should now get on with living with it. My belief is that parts of Europe are showing that suppressing is not viable in the longer term. If a child is unwell, test them and if positive, keep them off school. But testing every day? Not worth it.
    I am having this daily in my workplace team. A clear split in attitude that is very hard to reconcile. I find it very hard not to question people who use phraseology like 'avoid complacency' and 'it's not over', and the dreaded 'stay safe'. Such is the language of suppression, which serves only to delay as far as I can see (and, even then, it's minimal unless you favour closing schools and sequestering hospitals).

    'GET YOUR JABS' seems to me to be the only rational message. Maybe I am wrong but that to me seems the logical outlook in the post-vaccine stage.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161

    I am having this daily in my workplace team. A clear split in attitude that is very hard to reconcile. I find it very hard not to question people who use phraseology like 'avoid complacency' and 'it's not over', and the dreaded 'stay safe'. Such is the language of suppression, which serves only to delay as far as I can see (and, even then, it's minimal unless you favour closing schools and sequestering hospitals).

    'GET YOUR JABS' seems to me to be the only rational message. Maybe I am wrong but that to me seems the logical outlook in the post-vaccine stage.
    Yes, immunisation should be first, second and third (dose) priority.

    Though I would also add that people should stay at home if they have any respiratory infection.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Yes, immunisation should be first, second and third (dose) priority.

    Though I would also add that people should stay at home if they have any respiratory infection.
    Oh absolutely – but that was always my view pre-covid. The ludicrous spectacle of office workers dragging themselves in when spluttering with ugly colds has to end.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    MattW said:

    Brains Trust.

    I'm looking for a selection of international-perspective news TV stations in English.

    Any good suggestions?

    France24, Russia Today, Al Jazeera all have English language stations.
    BBC World is probably the most popular international news channel.
    The American cable news stations have all gone completely bonkers - does The Hill have a TV station, they’re perhaps the most normal.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677

    I am having this daily in my workplace team. A clear split in attitude that is very hard to reconcile. I find it very hard not to question people who use phraseology like 'avoid complacency' and 'it's not over', and the dreaded 'stay safe'. Such is the language of suppression, which serves only to delay as far as I can see (and, even then, it's minimal unless you favour closing schools and sequestering hospitals).

    'GET YOUR JABS' seems to me to be the only rational message. Maybe I am wrong but that to me seems the logical outlook in the post-vaccine stage.
    My team has mixed views too. As you know, we have different outlooks on this, and we avoid being derisive about it. I think the same should apply to our workplace teams. There is a genuine difference of opinion in the public, and we should each respect the others.

    Now I've had two vaccinations and a booster, I feel reasonably safe myself - I'm going to see Dune with a couple of friends in a bit. But most of us know people who have recently had very bad bouts, including vaccinated people (though in my circle not yet those who've also had the booster), and I can why people who want to avoid that at almost all costs.

    And what are the costs? It depends so much on the workplace. In my office we've postponed reopening till the spring, since we find we can work 95% as well from home, and many positively prefer it. In other offices, it will have a big impact onm work.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677
    HYUFD said:



    Given the choice between a Tory and DUP government or the only viable alternative of a Labour and SNP and LD and DUP and PC and SDLP and Green and Alliance government, it is not difficult to see which would be the more stable

    I doubt if it will in practice require all of those, certainly not actually inside government. Also, would you describe the present single-party government as "stable"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,225

    The logic was that you have more doors, so people can exit/board more quickly at bus stops. All other things being equal, this would make for faster journey times and fewer problems with queues of buses at bus stops. Worth a trial, which should have revealed all the ways in which the other things were not equal.
    Various people pointed out that articulated buses are incompatible with the London road plan. They were overruled by those whose project it was.
  • Mr. Malmesbury, you can't let reality get in the way of a plan!

    Next you'll be saying socialism is a bad idea.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,225

    Mr. Malmesbury, you can't let reality get in the way of a plan!

    Next you'll be saying socialism is a bad idea.

    Whenever people say that "X has never really been tried and should be implemented" where X is a political system, I respond that we should really try these things in alphabetical order.

    Since, according to my personal definition, Absolute Monarchy has never been tried.....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,225

    They loosened restrictions on things like nightclubs a lot later than England. They also have issues with the border with the Republic.
    They do have slightly lower vaccine take up.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161

    Various people pointed out that articulated buses are incompatible with the London road plan. They were overruled by those whose project it was.
    In 2019 Lothian buses started using some new extra long double decker buses with nearly 50% extra capacity. I saw them testing one out in the local area seeing if they could make it round all the corners - they had a guy with an iPad taking notes and photos as it did so.

    You don't need to have an argument about this in theory, just try them out and see if they will fit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Strange that the previous thread was cut short with only 29 comments.

    What is extraordinary is that the polling question asked was just about the most extreme that could have been devised. i.e. An implied COMPLETE lockdown on the unvaccinated for an INDEFINITE period. Yet 45% still supported that, compared to 32% against.

    The question could easily have been posed in less extreme terms, something along the lines of
    "Should those who choose to remain unvaccinated be prevented from mixing in crowded public places over the winter period?"
    Based on the earlier poll, I would expect responses to be about 60% in favour to about 25% against. There is a great deal of anger over those who by their foolish actions are causing a continuing huge wave of unnecessary deaths and bringing the wider health service to its knees.

    It’s a terrible and very theoretical question.

    Loads of people agree with the principle that we should make life difficult for the unvaccinated, but pretty much every scheme actually proposed involves the vaccinated and small businesses having to jump through hoops and incur costs, usually with the added kicker of a massive government surveillance database.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,225

    In 2019 Lothian buses started using some new extra long double decker buses with nearly 50% extra capacity. I saw them testing one out in the local area seeing if they could make it round all the corners - they had a guy with an iPad taking notes and photos as it did so.

    You don't need to have an argument about this in theory, just try them out and see if they will fit.
    It was literally a case of

    - The bus building company stated that the minimum radius turns the base were compatible with were X.
    - A number of the turns the buses would be required to make were X-{something}
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