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How will any Tory manage the conversion from "prioritising themselves"rottenborough said:
Harry Cole
@MrHarryCole
Tricky to see how Douglas Ross, Ben Bradley, Dan Jarvis etc who all have big public jobs away from Westminster as an MSP, Council chief or Mayor will get past the Government's adoption of Standards Committee recommendation one: that they "prioritise" the Commons.0 -
Is he playing a disability card or is his deafness entirely tonal?TheScreamingEagles said:I changed my betting position from Tory hold to Tory loss/Lab gain the other day because the Tory candidate is an utter bellend. Why would you say this during the current climate? No matter how many clarifications he issues these comments will be raised a lot by Labour.
The Bexley by-election candidate says he might just keep his job as a Mayfair-based fund manager if he gets elected because, don't worry, he's not a "career politician"
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/14603025794271191091 -
Well, depends what you mean by recent. There are a few family names that can be traced to before the Conquest (Hatt, Wollstonecraft). Patronymic names, such as Macdonald or Fitzwalter can be traced 900-1000 years (and sometimes longer by legend) and by the 14th century surnames, whether patronym, place name (eg Bruce, Whittington), trade (eg Taylor, Clark, Smith), or personal charactoristic (Campbell, Brown) were fairly universal.OldKingCole said:
Watching cricket one often sees different names on Indian or Pakistani players shirts from those on the scorecard, as a result of trying to fit people's names into 'our' cultural norm.Foxy said:One thing that I have encountered is that in parts of India people have only one name. I have a colleague known as Kumar, or more formally Dr Kumar. This presented a problem in England as forms require a forename and a surname, so he had to invent one, and adopted his father's name as a forename. It was only after 10 years of working with him that he told me, so I had been misnaming for an embarrassingly long time.
There was a good sketch in Goodness Gracious Me on the subject of names:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7sr3t
Of course, in much of the British Isles, surnames, as we understand them now, are a comparatively recent invention. Does the same apply elsewhere in Europe?
In Turkey, however, Surnames were only made compulsory under Ataturk and many people adopted quite comic names because they thought it was just a passing fad. In Estonia nature names are very common and were often adopted in the thirties when many Swedish and German names were Estonianised, so for example Johanson became Juhasoo ("Spring-marsh").4 -
That would work as a loofahTheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
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So similar to pronouns - just call people what they want to be called…turbotubbs said:
Many of our Hong Kong students do this. I am currently supervising one who is called Jason to me, but something else to native speakers. No bother, as long as you know what they prefer to be called.Sandpit said:
That’s still surprisingly common among Chinese expatriates. I once worked at an hotel, where there were a number of Chinese staff and they all had Western names - so you’d get an email from ‘Lin Chi Han (Sophie). Marketing Executive, Asia’. Took a while to get used to it.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Dear friend of mine who recently passed away, a little old Chinese American lady originally from Hong Kong, came back from her first day at her new school, which was run by English-speaking Irish nuns.Flatlander said:
It doesn't say why 'Kevin' specifically. Maybe there was no particular reason.Farooq said:
A summary that isn't hard to understand here:Flatlander said:Has anyone managed to work out this 'Kevin' thing? I haven't seen any definitive explanation.
I wondered if it was related to call centres (legitimate or otherwise) in India giving their staff English aliases. I've definitely spoken to a 'Kevin' more than once. Did it come from from that, I wonder?
On the by-election I can see a big vote for staying at home. What are the odds on turnout?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/16/campaigners-warn-over-kevin-nickname-reported-by-azeem-rafiq
Assigning English names is bad enough, but assigning a single English name to all is obviously worse.
She told her mother that the nuns had told her class it was too difficult for them to learn all the Chinese names of all their Chinese students. So they instructed the girls to go home, think about it overnight, and come back the next day having picked their Anglo name.
Her mom thought for a bit, then gave her daughter two alternatives: Bridget or Colleen. She chose the latter, as being easier prettier and easier to say. Must say, her mother was clearly no dummy; not only gave the little girl a choice of two options that were BOTH calculated to please the Irish sisters!
And Colleen was how the English-speaking world knew her for the next seventy-plus years.2 -
Wow! Why on earth would he do that???TheScreamingEagles said:I changed my betting position from Tory hold to Tory loss/Lab gain the other day because the Tory candidate is an utter bellend. Why would you say this during the current climate? No matter how many clarifications he issues these comments will be raised a lot by Labour.
The Bexley by-election candidate says he might just keep his job as a Mayfair-based fund manager if he gets elected because, don't worry, he's not a "career politician"
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/14603025794271191090 -
I don't get the point...TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
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I don't think it's particularly woke to take the trouble to learn someone's name. But it's a complex subject.DecrepiterJohnL said:
One does wonder if the practice will survive the twin challenges of President Xi's Chinese nationalism and well-meaning (and, separately) woke Westerners telling them Chinese names are best. A bit like how we worry about using Mumbai and Uluru but don't give a thought to London being called Londres or indeed calling Roma Rome. A Boris by any other name...Nigelb said:
My son did a bit of tutoring while at Imperial. The Chinese students were both surprised and pleased when he asked and learned their actual names.turbotubbs said:
Many of our Hong Kong students do this. I am currently supervising one who is called Jason to me, but something else to native speakers. No bother, as long as you know what they prefer to be called.Sandpit said:
That’s still surprisingly common among Chinese expatriates. I once worked at an hotel, where there were a number of Chinese staff and they all had Western names - so you’d get an email from ‘Lin Chi Han (Sophie). Marketing Executive, Asia’. Took a while to get used to it.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Dear friend of mine who recently passed away, a little old Chinese American lady originally from Hong Kong, came back from her first day at her new school, which was run by English-speaking Irish nuns.Flatlander said:
It doesn't say why 'Kevin' specifically. Maybe there was no particular reason.Farooq said:
A summary that isn't hard to understand here:Flatlander said:Has anyone managed to work out this 'Kevin' thing? I haven't seen any definitive explanation.
I wondered if it was related to call centres (legitimate or otherwise) in India giving their staff English aliases. I've definitely spoken to a 'Kevin' more than once. Did it come from from that, I wonder?
On the by-election I can see a big vote for staying at home. What are the odds on turnout?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/16/campaigners-warn-over-kevin-nickname-reported-by-azeem-rafiq
Assigning English names is bad enough, but assigning a single English name to all is obviously worse.
She told her mother that the nuns had told her class it was too difficult for them to learn all the Chinese names of all their Chinese students. So they instructed the girls to go home, think about it overnight, and come back the next day having picked their Anglo name.
Her mom thought for a bit, then gave her daughter two alternatives: Bridget or Colleen. She chose the latter, as being easier prettier and easier to say. Must say, her mother was clearly no dummy; not only gave the little girl a choice of two options that were BOTH calculated to please the Irish sisters!
And Colleen was how the English-speaking world knew her for the next seventy-plus years.
(No criticism implied, though.)
Korean names, for example, can be a minefield given the different modes of address depending on social heirarchy.0 -
Sorry to hear that. Hope all ok.DavidL said:
My brother, who is seriously ill, now has Covid. He almost certainly got it on his hospital trips since he doesn't go out otherwise. Hospitals are best stayed away from at the moment.Sandpit said:
Good luck this morning!MattW said:Thanks for the header, Mike.
Minor op tomorrow. With a General Anaesthetic. Ugh. Taxi at 6:30am.
I’m in tomorrow morning for something minor, really hate hospitals.
(My double vaxxed brother also has it)1 -
Perhaps we're being harsh. I mean everyone loves a banker/(hedge) fund manager.DavidL said:
Is he playing a disability card or is his deafness entirely tonal?TheScreamingEagles said:I changed my betting position from Tory hold to Tory loss/Lab gain the other day because the Tory candidate is an utter bellend. Why would you say this during the current climate? No matter how many clarifications he issues these comments will be raised a lot by Labour.
The Bexley by-election candidate says he might just keep his job as a Mayfair-based fund manager if he gets elected because, don't worry, he's not a "career politician"
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/14603025794271191090 -
Off-topic, but has anyone seen a hitchiker in the last ten years? I can't remember the last time I did. In my late teens, I'd hitchike regularly, and when I had a car, I'd pick them up on a regular basis.
I remember well the last four Yorkshiremen I picked up.2 -
Boris seems to have shot Labour's fox but do we know the details? I expect there will be another row and u-turn later on when Boris is sat on by well-remunerated colleagues, especially if they see an exception for book royalties!Scott_xP said:Today, the government will bring in new rules on second jobs for MPs, including clear provisions in response to revelations about Geoffrey Cox earning millions while living in the Caribbean. And the minister doing the media round for it is denying Geoffrey Cox did anything wrong.
We will make sure nothing like this ever happens again. But no one has done anything wrong
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“Mayfair based fund manager” = personal financial adviser at Tilney.TheScreamingEagles said:I changed my betting position from Tory hold to Tory loss/Lab gain the other day because the Tory candidate is an utter bellend. Why would you say this during the current climate? No matter how many clarifications he issues these comments will be raised a lot by Labour.
The Bexley by-election candidate says he might just keep his job as a Mayfair-based fund manager if he gets elected because, don't worry, he's not a "career politician"
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1460302579427119109
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Essex is of course a bit like Yorkshire - it's probably equally split between its urban area in the East End and the rural area where it has traditionally also recruited players from Herts and Suffolk. So you would suspect a big urban Asian component and then maybe a lot of people in the sticks who just don't understand. Having said that, it is the county of Nasser Hussain so you would have thought that would give people a better attitude. But then I believe the player recently complaining was of Afro-Caribbean origin and this probably isn't just about Asian playersOldKingCole said:Good morning everyone.
Well, what with second (and, I believe, on occasion third' jobs and the furore over cricket there's plenty for the papers to get their teeth into.
The Essex supporters site is quite supportive of those who are complaining, although does wonder if some of the puddings are rather over-egged.0 -
The Nazis banned fox hunting. *Before* setting up Dachau.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I'm not sure the Nazis embraced multiculturalism before visiting Eton.Fairliered said:
They particularly admired the institutional racism.tlg86 said:Does this count as a Godwin?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-their-elite-schools-on-top-british-private-schools
Nazis based their elite schools on top British private schools
Eton and Harrow among those whose ‘character-building’ qualities were admired by German educators in 1930s and 1940s
Mind you, this is the same bunch that attempted to prosecute the commandant of Auschwitz for...... sadism and murder.0 -
S&M gear ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
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Why so understated?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
Those won't meet the "Loud shoes in a built up area" criteria......0 -
Wins a prize for today's most esoteric contribution from PB's brains trust - really interesting.Cicero said:
Well, depends what you mean by recent. There are a few family names that can be traced to before the Conquest (Hatt, Wollstonecraft). Patronymic names, such as Macdonald or Fitzwalter can be traced 900-1000 years (and sometimes longer by legend) and by the 14th century surnames, whether patronym, place name (eg Bruce, Whittington), trade (eg Taylor, Clark, Smith), or personal charactoristic (Campbell, Brown) were fairly universal.OldKingCole said:
Watching cricket one often sees different names on Indian or Pakistani players shirts from those on the scorecard, as a result of trying to fit people's names into 'our' cultural norm.Foxy said:One thing that I have encountered is that in parts of India people have only one name. I have a colleague known as Kumar, or more formally Dr Kumar. This presented a problem in England as forms require a forename and a surname, so he had to invent one, and adopted his father's name as a forename. It was only after 10 years of working with him that he told me, so I had been misnaming for an embarrassingly long time.
There was a good sketch in Goodness Gracious Me on the subject of names:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7sr3t
Of course, in much of the British Isles, surnames, as we understand them now, are a comparatively recent invention. Does the same apply elsewhere in Europe?
In Turkey, however, Surnames were only made compulsory under Ataturk and many people adopted quite comic names because they thought it was just a passing fad. In Estonia nature names are very common and were often adopted in the thirties when many Swedish and German names were Estonianised, so for example Johanson became Juhasoo ("Spring-marsh").
My own name apparently comes from a profession of mercenary European pilgrims, which sounds the sort of thing you'd accuse a Rejoiner to be. The Church used to insist that landowners made a pilgrimage to Rome every year. Naturally they thought that a tiresome distraction from counting their money, so they persuaded the bishops to allow them to delegate it. Thus you could make a decent living as a p(s)almer, commuting to Rome and singing psalms on behalf of Baron X.
There are worse jobs.5 -
Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.0
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Trevelyan on R4 utterly clueless about what the government is actually proposing on second jobs. Fast talking but all waffle.0
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Did the Scottish Government announce 100,000 new green jobs and magically phase out domestic demand for oil and gas today?
If so, fantastic news well done.
If not, “Stop Cambo” doesn’t get us very far. In fact, it gets us unemployment and more imported oil for decades.
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Nigelb said:
S&M gear ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
I'm having dinner at The Ritz in February and they've got a ludicrous dress code, so I'm buying it solely for that.Malmesbury said:
Why so understated?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
Those won't meet the "Loud shoes in a built up area" criteria......1 -
All at once?CD13 said:Off-topic, but has anyone seen a hitchiker in the last ten years? I can't remember the last time I did. In my late teens, I'd hitchike regularly, and when I had a car, I'd pick them up on a regular basis.
I remember well the last four Yorkshiremen I picked up.
I used to have a mini which was twitchy in high winds in the motorway, and selectively pick up fatties as ballast.4 -
Sympathies to you and your brother - I hope the issues clear up soon.DavidL said:
LOL There are a remarkable number of doctors who seem to manage it at Ninewells and are still working from home. I have been told that my follow up from my little excitement in June with blood clots etc won't be until the New Year. Its a bit disappointing to be honest.Foxy said:
Bit of a problem for me!DavidL said:
My brother, who is seriously ill, now has Covid. He almost certainly got it on his hospital trips since he doesn't go out otherwise. Hospitals are best stayed away from at the moment.Sandpit said:
Good luck this morning!MattW said:Thanks for the header, Mike.
Minor op tomorrow. With a General Anaesthetic. Ugh. Taxi at 6:30am.
I’m in tomorrow morning for something minor, really hate hospitals.3 -
The best dress code was for Home House, when I was a member there.TheScreamingEagles said:Nigelb said:
S&M gear ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
I'm having dinner at The Ritz in February and they've got a ludicrous dress code, so I'm buying it solely for that.Malmesbury said:
Why so understated?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
Those won't meet the "Loud shoes in a built up area" criteria......
"Clothes are preferred"0 -
Simplist is to ask!Nigelb said:
I don't think it's particularly woke to take the trouble to learn someone's name. But it's a complex subject.DecrepiterJohnL said:
One does wonder if the practice will survive the twin challenges of President Xi's Chinese nationalism and well-meaning (and, separately) woke Westerners telling them Chinese names are best. A bit like how we worry about using Mumbai and Uluru but don't give a thought to London being called Londres or indeed calling Roma Rome. A Boris by any other name...Nigelb said:
My son did a bit of tutoring while at Imperial. The Chinese students were both surprised and pleased when he asked and learned their actual names.turbotubbs said:
Many of our Hong Kong students do this. I am currently supervising one who is called Jason to me, but something else to native speakers. No bother, as long as you know what they prefer to be called.Sandpit said:
That’s still surprisingly common among Chinese expatriates. I once worked at an hotel, where there were a number of Chinese staff and they all had Western names - so you’d get an email from ‘Lin Chi Han (Sophie). Marketing Executive, Asia’. Took a while to get used to it.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Dear friend of mine who recently passed away, a little old Chinese American lady originally from Hong Kong, came back from her first day at her new school, which was run by English-speaking Irish nuns.Flatlander said:
It doesn't say why 'Kevin' specifically. Maybe there was no particular reason.Farooq said:
A summary that isn't hard to understand here:Flatlander said:Has anyone managed to work out this 'Kevin' thing? I haven't seen any definitive explanation.
I wondered if it was related to call centres (legitimate or otherwise) in India giving their staff English aliases. I've definitely spoken to a 'Kevin' more than once. Did it come from from that, I wonder?
On the by-election I can see a big vote for staying at home. What are the odds on turnout?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/16/campaigners-warn-over-kevin-nickname-reported-by-azeem-rafiq
Assigning English names is bad enough, but assigning a single English name to all is obviously worse.
She told her mother that the nuns had told her class it was too difficult for them to learn all the Chinese names of all their Chinese students. So they instructed the girls to go home, think about it overnight, and come back the next day having picked their Anglo name.
Her mom thought for a bit, then gave her daughter two alternatives: Bridget or Colleen. She chose the latter, as being easier prettier and easier to say. Must say, her mother was clearly no dummy; not only gave the little girl a choice of two options that were BOTH calculated to please the Irish sisters!
And Colleen was how the English-speaking world knew her for the next seventy-plus years.
(No criticism implied, though.)
Korean names, for example, can be a minefield given the different modes of address depending on social heirarchy.
Though English names also have curious etiquette depending on hierarchy. Most of the staff at the hospital call me Dr Foxy* even when I call them by the first name, even when I ask them to call me by my forename. There are exceptions, so the ward receptionist calls me by my first name as we have known each other nearly 30 years in differing roles.
*not my real name, but a self chosen one for here.0 -
You mean a not very glorified telephone sales position?Charles said:
“Mayfair based fund manager” = personal financial adviser at Tilney.TheScreamingEagles said:I changed my betting position from Tory hold to Tory loss/Lab gain the other day because the Tory candidate is an utter bellend. Why would you say this during the current climate? No matter how many clarifications he issues these comments will be raised a lot by Labour.
The Bexley by-election candidate says he might just keep his job as a Mayfair-based fund manager if he gets elected because, don't worry, he's not a "career politician"
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/14603025794271191090 -
Best wishes to your brother. Have been putting it off for a while, definitely didn’t want to go to the hospital when there was a nasty virus going around, and people were going there and getting sick rather than better.DavidL said:
My brother, who is seriously ill, now has Covid. He almost certainly got it on his hospital trips since he doesn't go out otherwise. Hospitals are best stayed away from at the moment.Sandpit said:
Good luck this morning!MattW said:Thanks for the header, Mike.
Minor op tomorrow. With a General Anaesthetic. Ugh. Taxi at 6:30am.
I’m in tomorrow morning for something minor, really hate hospitals.1 -
Too complicated, will leave it to the LibDems to findSandpit said:
Shropshire is the bit between Birmingham and Wales.NickPalmer said:I get the impression that Labour is making an effort here but not so much in North Shropshire, and the LibDems the reverse. Not based on much, but I'm getting WhatsApp messages urging me to Bexley, and nobody's mentioned Shropshire at all. As a Lomdoner at heart I know how to get to Bexley, whereas tbh I couldn't find Shropshire on a map without help. Er, NW Midlands or something?
Like Foxy I expect a Bexley Con hold though, but a reasonable swing to Labour.
Get to Shrewsbury on the train from New Street to Aberystwyth.
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Go into the garden and see if you can find two hedgehogs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
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Tory MPs realising Boris Johnson is a leftie.
Boris Johnson faces a confrontation with his backbenchers today as he pushes for MPs to be banned from taking on second jobs as consultants.
The prime minister gave in yesterday to pressure over sleaze by proposing that MPs be barred from acting as paid political consultants. He also called for a limit on the amount of time MPs can spend on outside interests.
He will push his plans to a vote in the Commons today in an attempt to outflank Labour. The move represents a significant shift in Johnson’s position a fortnight after his botched attempt to block the suspension of Owen Paterson, a former cabinet minister.
There was a backlash yesterday from Tory MPs with outside interests, who accused him of “capitulation”. One said: “It’s pouring petrol on to the flames. He’s caved to the left. Now if you have a consultancy it will be assumed you’re evil.”
Another MP said that Johnson announced the plans because he was concerned about being embarrassed during an appearance before the liaison committee of MPs this afternoon. “There’s a lot of unease. It’s the lurching, the U-turning, the lack of consultation.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-moves-to-ban-mps-from-lobbying-rlhjqhc9x0 -
In the Netherlands (much like the rest of Europe I assume) they used patronyms or job titles until the 19th century. After Napoleon took over the Netherlands in 1811 he insisted on the proper recording of a registry of births, marriages and deaths and insisted on the introduction of the French system of family names. So this is where many of the Dutch names based on towns or villages comes from. There is an urban myth in the Netherlands that this is where a lot of the strange Dutch surnames come from as they were intended as a rebellion against the Napoleonic system. But most of the strange sounding Dutch surnames have rather prosaic origins.OldKingCole said:
Watching cricket one often sees different names on Indian or Pakistani players shirts from those on the scorecard, as a result of trying to fit people's names into 'our' cultural norm.Foxy said:One thing that I have encountered is that in parts of India people have only one name. I have a colleague known as Kumar, or more formally Dr Kumar. This presented a problem in England as forms require a forename and a surname, so he had to invent one, and adopted his father's name as a forename. It was only after 10 years of working with him that he told me, so I had been misnaming for an embarrassingly long time.
There was a good sketch in Goodness Gracious Me on the subject of names:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7sr3t
Of course, in much of the British Isles, surnames, as we understand them now, are a comparatively recent invention. Does the same apply elsewhere in Europe?1 -
Is it so ludicrous that a lounge suit and simple black work shoes can’t suffice??TheScreamingEagles said:Nigelb said:
S&M gear ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
I'm having dinner at The Ritz in February and they've got a ludicrous dress code, so I'm buying it solely for that.Malmesbury said:
Why so understated?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
Those won't meet the "Loud shoes in a built up area" criteria......
Or don’t you own a simple pair of black work shoes?
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Mentioned in the Canterbury Tales prologue.NickPalmer said:
Wins a prize for today's most esoteric contribution from PB's brains trust - really interesting.Cicero said:
Well, depends what you mean by recent. There are a few family names that can be traced to before the Conquest (Hatt, Wollstonecraft). Patronymic names, such as Macdonald or Fitzwalter can be traced 900-1000 years (and sometimes longer by legend) and by the 14th century surnames, whether patronym, place name (eg Bruce, Whittington), trade (eg Taylor, Clark, Smith), or personal charactoristic (Campbell, Brown) were fairly universal.OldKingCole said:
Watching cricket one often sees different names on Indian or Pakistani players shirts from those on the scorecard, as a result of trying to fit people's names into 'our' cultural norm.Foxy said:One thing that I have encountered is that in parts of India people have only one name. I have a colleague known as Kumar, or more formally Dr Kumar. This presented a problem in England as forms require a forename and a surname, so he had to invent one, and adopted his father's name as a forename. It was only after 10 years of working with him that he told me, so I had been misnaming for an embarrassingly long time.
There was a good sketch in Goodness Gracious Me on the subject of names:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7sr3t
Of course, in much of the British Isles, surnames, as we understand them now, are a comparatively recent invention. Does the same apply elsewhere in Europe?
In Turkey, however, Surnames were only made compulsory under Ataturk and many people adopted quite comic names because they thought it was just a passing fad. In Estonia nature names are very common and were often adopted in the thirties when many Swedish and German names were Estonianised, so for example Johanson became Juhasoo ("Spring-marsh").
My own name apparently comes from a profession of mercenary European pilgrims, which sounds the sort of thing you'd accuse a Rejoiner to be. The Church used to insist that landowners made a pilgrimage to Rome every year. Naturally they thought that a tiresome distraction from counting their money, so they persuaded the bishops to allow them to delegate it. Thus you could make a decent living as a p(s)almer, commuting to Rome and singing psalms on behalf of Baron X.
There are worse jobs.
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
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Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.1
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It's our Valentine's Day weekend break, I'm trying to make an effort.Sandpit said:
Is it so ludicrous that a lounge suit and simple black work shoes can’t suffice??TheScreamingEagles said:Nigelb said:
S&M gear ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
I'm having dinner at The Ritz in February and they've got a ludicrous dress code, so I'm buying it solely for that.Malmesbury said:
Why so understated?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
Those won't meet the "Loud shoes in a built up area" criteria......
Or don’t you own a simple pair of black work shoes?
Apart from my morning suit, I have no remotely black suits, and I only wear black shoes with black suits.0 -
The only hitch-hikers I know of are the cheapstake car delivery drivers who used to then hitchhike to their next job.CD13 said:Off-topic, but has anyone seen a hitchiker in the last ten years? I can't remember the last time I did. In my late teens, I'd hitchike regularly, and when I had a car, I'd pick them up on a regular basis.
I remember well the last four Yorkshiremen I picked up.
I even picked one up once as he went from here to Rothwell as it was on my way to Manchester (although checking the date that was in 2009 for the first day of that Pet Shop Boys tour).0 -
What do you wear to funerals?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's our Valentine's Day weekend break, I'm trying to make an effort.Sandpit said:
Is it so ludicrous that a lounge suit and simple black work shoes can’t suffice??TheScreamingEagles said:Nigelb said:
S&M gear ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
I'm having dinner at The Ritz in February and they've got a ludicrous dress code, so I'm buying it solely for that.Malmesbury said:
Why so understated?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
Those won't meet the "Loud shoes in a built up area" criteria......
Or don’t you own a simple pair of black work shoes?
Apart from my morning suit, I have no remotely black suits, and I only wear black shoes with black suits.0 -
On the names front, we should also remember that many Jewish names were adopted from packing cases or shop signs to satisfy immigration officials.0
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And that wasn't obvious 2 weeks ago when most of the market expected a rate rise?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
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Non black suits.Sandpit said:
What do you wear to funerals?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's our Valentine's Day weekend break, I'm trying to make an effort.Sandpit said:
Is it so ludicrous that a lounge suit and simple black work shoes can’t suffice??TheScreamingEagles said:Nigelb said:
S&M gear ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
I'm having dinner at The Ritz in February and they've got a ludicrous dress code, so I'm buying it solely for that.Malmesbury said:
Why so understated?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
Those won't meet the "Loud shoes in a built up area" criteria......
Or don’t you own a simple pair of black work shoes?
Apart from my morning suit, I have no remotely black suits, and I only wear black shoes with black suits.0 -
Yes, Essex and Yorkshire are culturally similar. Both have urban areas, Yorkshire has Sheffield, Bradford and Leeds and Essex is right on the edge of London with parts of South Essex effectively outer London. Both also have large rural areas and villages and farming communities. Both also have a high percentage of white working class residents as well as BAME residents.JohnLilburne said:
Essex is of course a bit like Yorkshire - it's probably equally split between its urban area in the East End and the rural area where it has traditionally also recruited players from Herts and Suffolk. So you would suspect a big urban Asian component and then maybe a lot of people in the sticks who just don't understand. Having said that, it is the county of Nasser Hussain so you would have thought that would give people a better attitude. But then I believe the player recently complaining was of Afro-Caribbean origin and this probably isn't just about Asian playersOldKingCole said:Good morning everyone.
Well, what with second (and, I believe, on occasion third' jobs and the furore over cricket there's plenty for the papers to get their teeth into.
The Essex supporters site is quite supportive of those who are complaining, although does wonder if some of the puddings are rather over-egged.
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A well-to-do female doctor neighbour had a Chinese manservant known to all as "Whitey". His initials were YT.
Many Chinese students adopted that kind of initialism for their names.0 -
https://tinyurl.com/ynvuksx5eek said:
And that wasn't obvious 2 weeks ago when most of the market expected a rate rise?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
The MPC really are completely useless unless they've been given a different agenda.
The Government’s commitment to the Bank of England’s operational independence and the current regime of flexible inflation targeting, with an operational target of 2% CPI inflation, remains absolute.
Sunak started the budget by saying he'd written to the BoE to reaffirm the 2% target.0 -
I’m disappointed. I thought they were all PB readers!Foxy said:Nigelb said:
I don't think it's particularly woke to take the trouble to learn someone's name. But it's a complex subject.DecrepiterJohnL said:
One does wonder if the practice will survive the twin challenges of President Xi's Chinese nationalism and well-meaning (and, separately) woke Westerners telling them Chinese names are best. A bit like how we worry about using Mumbai and Uluru but don't give a thought to London being called Londres or indeed calling Roma Rome. A Boris by any other name...Nigelb said:
My son did a bit of tutoring while at Imperial. The Chinese students were both surprised and pleased when he asked and learned their actual names.turbotubbs said:
Many of our Hong Kong students do this. I am currently supervising one who is called Jason to me, but something else to native speakers. No bother, as long as you know what they prefer to be called.Sandpit said:
That’s still surprisingly common among Chinese expatriates. I once worked at an hotel, where there were a number of Chinese staff and they all had Western names - so you’d get an email from ‘Lin Chi Han (Sophie). Marketing Executive, Asia’. Took a while to get used to it.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Dear friend of mine who recently passed away, a little old Chinese American lady originally from Hong Kong, came back from her first day at her new school, which was run by English-speaking Irish nuns.Flatlander said:
It doesn't say why 'Kevin' specifically. Maybe there was no particular reason.Farooq said:
A summary that isn't hard to understand here:Flatlander said:Has anyone managed to work out this 'Kevin' thing? I haven't seen any definitive explanation.
I wondered if it was related to call centres (legitimate or otherwise) in India giving their staff English aliases. I've definitely spoken to a 'Kevin' more than once. Did it come from from that, I wonder?
On the by-election I can see a big vote for staying at home. What are the odds on turnout?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/16/campaigners-warn-over-kevin-nickname-reported-by-azeem-rafiq
Assigning English names is bad enough, but assigning a single English name to all is obviously worse.
She told her mother that the nuns had told her class it was too difficult for them to learn all the Chinese names of all their Chinese students. So they instructed the girls to go home, think about it overnight, and come back the next day having picked their Anglo name.
Her mom thought for a bit, then gave her daughter two alternatives: Bridget or Colleen. She chose the latter, as being easier prettier and easier to say. Must say, her mother was clearly no dummy; not only gave the little girl a choice of two options that were BOTH calculated to please the Irish sisters!
And Colleen was how the English-speaking world knew her for the next seventy-plus years.
(No criticism implied, though.)
Korean names, for example, can be a minefield given the different modes of address depending on social heirarchy.
*not my real name, but a self chosen one for here.0 -
Mr. Eagles, my congratulations on earning sufficient money you have enough to waste it on such footwear.0
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They should have taken outside advice from the Archbishop of C, or the last PM but one...DecrepiterJohnL said:Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.
It is odd how not the public schools generally but Eton specifically dominates public life. Makes one idly wonder why one sends ones children elsewhere. Eton doesn't cost markedly more
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I believe the queue is markedly longer.IshmaelZ said:
They should have taken outside advice from the Archbishop of C, or the last PM but one...DecrepiterJohnL said:Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.
It is odd how not the public schools generally but Eton specifically dominates public life. Makes one idly wonder why one sends ones children elsewhere. Eton doesn't cost markedly more
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Can you explain why you say that inflation is spiralling out of control?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
All the mainstream media reporting is that this is mainly one-off factors (like the rise in energy costs), or related to post-pandemic disruption (like the increase in prices for second-hand cars), or people spending money they saved during lockdown (which they can only spend once), so you'd expect inflation to come back down next year without a rate rise.
What are the signals that inflation is spiralling?
I'd not be surprised if there was lots the media was missing.
I suppose the only other point I'd make is that the national insurance tax rise would be expected to have a deflationary impact, as it's taking money out of the economy.2 -
Ah but what is causing this inflation? The economy was deliberately shrunk by governments in the face of the Covid pandemic. Contraction was not caused by lack of demand, money supply, or the economic cycle. The risk is surely that central bankers' traditional toolkit and analysis are ill-suited to today's unique conditions.MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
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I agree that Labour are in with a chance, though it is still a 2 horse race. The photos in the tweets are interesting. Group Tory photos always either look as if every Tory supporter is old and mad, slightly younger but fond of making money out of dodgy schemes and dining with bores, or, a Tory speciality, a mix of posh, red trouser, bimbo and neo fascist under 30s. Part of the charm of our ancient unwritten constitution is that this combination of eccentrics collectively decide who has the power to destroy Moscow in a nuclear attack. As right now.
It's like USA politics only funnier.
Group Labour photos always look as if there might be someone in it worth chatting up if you were to study it carefully, but when you do, like Arsenal it flatters to deceive, and they turn out to be a Stalinist member of the Friends of North Korea.
I have dipped a toe in the water behind Labour at OB&S, but that Brexit thingy + old people turning out could save the Tories.
The Paterson by election is also interesting. I think it is unreadable at the moment, and in the absence of better data Tories should come home in a small turnout. Why are the LDs so short odds when they came a very bad third?
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Energy costs aren't going to drop, demand is still rising and supply simply can't (because it already would have done if it could).LostPassword said:
Can you explain why you say that inflation is spiralling out of control?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
All the mainstream media reporting is that this is mainly one-off factors (like the rise in energy costs), or related to post-pandemic disruption (like the increase in prices for second-hand cars), or people spending money they saved during lockdown (which they can only spend once), so you'd expect inflation to come back down next year without a rate rise.
What are the signals that inflation is spiralling?
I'd not be surprised if there was lots the media was missing.
I suppose the only other point I'd make is that the national insurance tax rise would be expected to have a deflationary impact, as it's taking money out of the economy.
The issue here is that people are going to expect another large wage increase and it's wage driven inflation that you need to watch out for here (as it can easily become perpetual / staginflation)0 -
That's been obvious for a little while in the real economy.MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
What is causing it? The price of bloody everything going up. There's swathes of real shortages out there and what you can get has had a whopping price increase. Which means the cost of getting work done, things produced or shipped etc etc etc has gone up.DecrepiterJohnL said:Ah but what is causing this inflation? The economy was deliberately shrunk by governments in the face of the Covid pandemic. Contraction was not caused by lack of demand, money supply, or the economic cycle. The risk is surely that central bankers' traditional toolkit and analysis are ill-suited to today's unique conditions.
A 27% swing in the inflation rate in a month is Not Good.
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I used to work with a guy known to all as CS.geoffw said:A well-to-do female doctor neighbour had a Chinese manservant known to all as "Whitey". His initials were YT.
Many Chinese students adopted that kind of initialism for their names.
Mind you, Consultants at work have a 3 letter code. Most are based on their 3 initials, but mine isn't, as someone else already had my initials. Hence I have worked for 20 years with an incorrect middle initial, and get correspondence including an imaginary middle initial. It is mildly irksome as my true middle initial has a long heritage in my family.0 -
As a Uni academic I much prefer to be addressed by students using my first name, not as Dr Turbotubbs, or worse, Sir.Foxy said:
Simplist is to ask!Nigelb said:
I don't think it's particularly woke to take the trouble to learn someone's name. But it's a complex subject.DecrepiterJohnL said:
One does wonder if the practice will survive the twin challenges of President Xi's Chinese nationalism and well-meaning (and, separately) woke Westerners telling them Chinese names are best. A bit like how we worry about using Mumbai and Uluru but don't give a thought to London being called Londres or indeed calling Roma Rome. A Boris by any other name...Nigelb said:
My son did a bit of tutoring while at Imperial. The Chinese students were both surprised and pleased when he asked and learned their actual names.turbotubbs said:
Many of our Hong Kong students do this. I am currently supervising one who is called Jason to me, but something else to native speakers. No bother, as long as you know what they prefer to be called.Sandpit said:
That’s still surprisingly common among Chinese expatriates. I once worked at an hotel, where there were a number of Chinese staff and they all had Western names - so you’d get an email from ‘Lin Chi Han (Sophie). Marketing Executive, Asia’. Took a while to get used to it.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Dear friend of mine who recently passed away, a little old Chinese American lady originally from Hong Kong, came back from her first day at her new school, which was run by English-speaking Irish nuns.Flatlander said:
It doesn't say why 'Kevin' specifically. Maybe there was no particular reason.Farooq said:
A summary that isn't hard to understand here:Flatlander said:Has anyone managed to work out this 'Kevin' thing? I haven't seen any definitive explanation.
I wondered if it was related to call centres (legitimate or otherwise) in India giving their staff English aliases. I've definitely spoken to a 'Kevin' more than once. Did it come from from that, I wonder?
On the by-election I can see a big vote for staying at home. What are the odds on turnout?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/16/campaigners-warn-over-kevin-nickname-reported-by-azeem-rafiq
Assigning English names is bad enough, but assigning a single English name to all is obviously worse.
She told her mother that the nuns had told her class it was too difficult for them to learn all the Chinese names of all their Chinese students. So they instructed the girls to go home, think about it overnight, and come back the next day having picked their Anglo name.
Her mom thought for a bit, then gave her daughter two alternatives: Bridget or Colleen. She chose the latter, as being easier prettier and easier to say. Must say, her mother was clearly no dummy; not only gave the little girl a choice of two options that were BOTH calculated to please the Irish sisters!
And Colleen was how the English-speaking world knew her for the next seventy-plus years.
(No criticism implied, though.)
Korean names, for example, can be a minefield given the different modes of address depending on social heirarchy.
Though English names also have curious etiquette depending on hierarchy. Most of the staff at the hospital call me Dr Foxy* even when I call them by the first name, even when I ask them to call me by my forename. There are exceptions, so the ward receptionist calls me by my first name as we have known each other nearly 30 years in differing roles.
*not my real name, but a self chosen one for here.0 -
They will be arriving en masse in a fleet of narrowboats.NickPalmer said:
Too complicated, will leave it to the LibDems to findSandpit said:
Shropshire is the bit between Birmingham and Wales.NickPalmer said:I get the impression that Labour is making an effort here but not so much in North Shropshire, and the LibDems the reverse. Not based on much, but I'm getting WhatsApp messages urging me to Bexley, and nobody's mentioned Shropshire at all. As a Lomdoner at heart I know how to get to Bexley, whereas tbh I couldn't find Shropshire on a map without help. Er, NW Midlands or something?
Like Foxy I expect a Bexley Con hold though, but a reasonable swing to Labour.
Get to Shrewsbury on the train from New Street to Aberystwyth.0 -
I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/0 -
Some parents cannot deal with sending their kids to boarding schools.IshmaelZ said:
They should have taken outside advice from the Archbishop of C, or the last PM but one...DecrepiterJohnL said:Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.
It is odd how not the public schools generally but Eton specifically dominates public life. Makes one idly wonder why one sends ones children elsewhere. Eton doesn't cost markedly more0 -
Or like my wife's family taken from the surname of an old Tsar so as not to sound "too jewish" during one of Stalin's fits of temper in the 50's - of course they were still jews so my mother in law wasn't allowed to go to Moscow University as they had filled their 'jew quota' at the timeDecrepiterJohnL said:On the names front, we should also remember that many Jewish names were adopted from packing cases or shop signs to satisfy immigration officials.
FREDERIKSBERG has a social democrat mayor - perhaps only Nick Palmer will appreciate what a shock this is and shows how demographic change is sending the Copenhagen area redder than ever - his old chums in Enhedslisten (lightweight communists with ponytails) also THRASHED the social democrats in Copenhagen - the "mink scandal" hit the social democrats very hard and they had their worst night in decades and the Konservative had their best night2 -
They are so comfortable, really they are, and absolute bargain at £985.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, my congratulations on earning sufficient money you have enough to waste it on such footwear.
I have really wide feet so I'm limited in my choice of footwear.0 -
That and being told to say they are gay are the two most obvious routes to asylum from shithole but not specifically dangerous countries.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/0 -
Spot on. Inflation is a dynamic process with feedbacks between sectors, not just a sequence of explicable one-off price rises.LostPassword said:
Can you explain why you say that inflation is spiralling out of control?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
All the mainstream media reporting is that this is mainly one-off factors (like the rise in energy costs), or related to post-pandemic disruption (like the increase in prices for second-hand cars), or people spending money they saved during lockdown (which they can only spend once), so you'd expect inflation to come back down next year without a rate rise.
What are the signals that inflation is spiralling?
I'd not be surprised if there was lots the media was missing.
I suppose the only other point I'd make is that the national insurance tax rise would be expected to have a deflationary impact, as it's taking money out of the economy.
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I like themTheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
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If so better to err on the side of caution with interest rates slightly too high, than on let things get out of hand.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Ah but what is causing this inflation? The economy was deliberately shrunk by governments in the face of the Covid pandemic. Contraction was not caused by lack of demand, money supply, or the economic cycle. The risk is surely that central bankers' traditional toolkit and analysis are ill-suited to today's unique conditions.MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
The issue here is that we don't know what the natural rate of interest should be nowadays - it may be 1% (in which case it's low but fixable low) it may be 3% in which case we are going to see a lot of rapid rises...0 -
Very interesting (to me), thanks!kingbongo said:
Or like my wife's family taken from the surname of an old Tsar so as not to sound "too jewish" during one of Stalin's fits of temper in the 50's - of course they were still jews so my mother in law wasn't allowed to go to Moscow University as they had filled their 'jew quota' at the timeDecrepiterJohnL said:On the names front, we should also remember that many Jewish names were adopted from packing cases or shop signs to satisfy immigration officials.
FREDERIKSBERG has a social democrat mayor - perhaps only Nick Palmer will appreciate what a shock this is and shows how demographic change is sending the Copenhagen area redder than ever - his old chums in Enhedslisten (lightweight communists with ponytails) also THRASHED the social democrats in Copenhagen - the "mink scandal" hit the social democrats very hard and they had their worst night in decades and the Konservative had their best night0 -
Labour shortages across pretty much all sectors and across all levels of relative seniority are also a contributory factor. This is causing wage inflation which then feeds into costs. Brexit combined with the pandemic are not the the only causes but they certainly haven't helpedeek said:
Energy costs aren't going to drop, demand is still rising and supply simply can't (because it already would have done if it could).LostPassword said:
Can you explain why you say that inflation is spiralling out of control?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
All the mainstream media reporting is that this is mainly one-off factors (like the rise in energy costs), or related to post-pandemic disruption (like the increase in prices for second-hand cars), or people spending money they saved during lockdown (which they can only spend once), so you'd expect inflation to come back down next year without a rate rise.
What are the signals that inflation is spiralling?
I'd not be surprised if there was lots the media was missing.
I suppose the only other point I'd make is that the national insurance tax rise would be expected to have a deflationary impact, as it's taking money out of the economy.
The issue here is that people are going to expect another large wage increase and it's wage driven inflation that you need to watch out for here (as it can easily become perpetual / staginflation)0 -
Because, at heart, the overwhelming majority of people don't want a family life and lifestyle with the world of Eton and Etonians at the centre of it. It is part of the misunderstanding of celebrity culture generally; most people like and follow many aspects of the lives of elites in showbiz, money, fame, power, networking and all that, but truly don't want it for themselves, even if they think they do.IshmaelZ said:
They should have taken outside advice from the Archbishop of C, or the last PM but one...DecrepiterJohnL said:Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.
It is odd how not the public schools generally but Eton specifically dominates public life. Makes one idly wonder why one sends ones children elsewhere. Eton doesn't cost markedly more
Character is destiny, and to be sent to Eton means that both your genetic inheritance and your surrounding culture has probably formed you to keep up your membership of the group.
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Interest rates need to go up in spite of inflation. We were at 0.75% before the pandemic. The pandemic is now over (from an economic point of view), so they should go back to 0.75% as a first move. Then the MPC can assess how things go from there.0
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Not all boys are suitable characters for Eton. Some are not particularly bright and might suit Millfield, some might be wanting to go onto the Royal Agricultural at Cirencester to learn to run the estate and so Stowe might be a better fit, some might be very musical and suit Bedales and some might fit a future as a cad and a bounder so Harrow is perfect…… (obviously the examples are not overly serious…).IshmaelZ said:
They should have taken outside advice from the Archbishop of C, or the last PM but one...DecrepiterJohnL said:Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.
It is odd how not the public schools generally but Eton specifically dominates public life. Makes one idly wonder why one sends ones children elsewhere. Eton doesn't cost markedly more
A lot of friends who had OE fathers said their fathers had a grim time at Eton so didn’t want them to go there.
St Paul’s and Westminster suit London based parents who are opposed to their children boarding but want them to have a great education and future network.
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Employment figures also indicate a tighter labour market than forecast, which may well contribute to that.eek said:
Energy costs aren't going to drop, demand is still rising and supply simply can't (because it already would have done if it could).LostPassword said:
Can you explain why you say that inflation is spiralling out of control?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
All the mainstream media reporting is that this is mainly one-off factors (like the rise in energy costs), or related to post-pandemic disruption (like the increase in prices for second-hand cars), or people spending money they saved during lockdown (which they can only spend once), so you'd expect inflation to come back down next year without a rate rise.
What are the signals that inflation is spiralling?
I'd not be surprised if there was lots the media was missing.
I suppose the only other point I'd make is that the national insurance tax rise would be expected to have a deflationary impact, as it's taking money out of the economy.
The issue here is that people are going to expect another large wage increase and it's wage driven inflation that you need to watch out for here (as it can easily become perpetual / staginflation)0 -
My ex, who worked in immigration law, described the comedy (on occasion) as er.... aggressively homophobic clients would get very worried that, when claiming to be gay, that might have to prove that they were gay.MaxPB said:
That and being told to say they are gay are the two most obvious routes to asylum from shithole but not specifically dangerous countries.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/0 -
Mr. Eagles, I am glad your feet are comfortable.
F1: still remains uncertain whether Saudi Arabia will be ready in time:
https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1460574130479194113
That could decide who wins the title.0 -
Yes but that doesn't matter. In some circumstances, how people are addressed conveys information that can be crucial in high-pressure situations, such as police or army ranks. Hospitals too, I'd have thought, so Dr Foxy should be called Dr Foxy and not Aloysius or whatever is his given name. The receptionist knows he is a doctor but new patients won't.turbotubbs said:
As a Uni academic I much prefer to be addressed by students using my first name, not as Dr Turbotubbs, or worse, Sir.Foxy said:
Simplist is to ask!Nigelb said:
I don't think it's particularly woke to take the trouble to learn someone's name. But it's a complex subject.DecrepiterJohnL said:
One does wonder if the practice will survive the twin challenges of President Xi's Chinese nationalism and well-meaning (and, separately) woke Westerners telling them Chinese names are best. A bit like how we worry about using Mumbai and Uluru but don't give a thought to London being called Londres or indeed calling Roma Rome. A Boris by any other name...Nigelb said:
My son did a bit of tutoring while at Imperial. The Chinese students were both surprised and pleased when he asked and learned their actual names.turbotubbs said:
Many of our Hong Kong students do this. I am currently supervising one who is called Jason to me, but something else to native speakers. No bother, as long as you know what they prefer to be called.Sandpit said:
That’s still surprisingly common among Chinese expatriates. I once worked at an hotel, where there were a number of Chinese staff and they all had Western names - so you’d get an email from ‘Lin Chi Han (Sophie). Marketing Executive, Asia’. Took a while to get used to it.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Dear friend of mine who recently passed away, a little old Chinese American lady originally from Hong Kong, came back from her first day at her new school, which was run by English-speaking Irish nuns.Flatlander said:
It doesn't say why 'Kevin' specifically. Maybe there was no particular reason.Farooq said:
A summary that isn't hard to understand here:Flatlander said:Has anyone managed to work out this 'Kevin' thing? I haven't seen any definitive explanation.
I wondered if it was related to call centres (legitimate or otherwise) in India giving their staff English aliases. I've definitely spoken to a 'Kevin' more than once. Did it come from from that, I wonder?
On the by-election I can see a big vote for staying at home. What are the odds on turnout?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/16/campaigners-warn-over-kevin-nickname-reported-by-azeem-rafiq
Assigning English names is bad enough, but assigning a single English name to all is obviously worse.
She told her mother that the nuns had told her class it was too difficult for them to learn all the Chinese names of all their Chinese students. So they instructed the girls to go home, think about it overnight, and come back the next day having picked their Anglo name.
Her mom thought for a bit, then gave her daughter two alternatives: Bridget or Colleen. She chose the latter, as being easier prettier and easier to say. Must say, her mother was clearly no dummy; not only gave the little girl a choice of two options that were BOTH calculated to please the Irish sisters!
And Colleen was how the English-speaking world knew her for the next seventy-plus years.
(No criticism implied, though.)
Korean names, for example, can be a minefield given the different modes of address depending on social heirarchy.
Though English names also have curious etiquette depending on hierarchy. Most of the staff at the hospital call me Dr Foxy* even when I call them by the first name, even when I ask them to call me by my forename. There are exceptions, so the ward receptionist calls me by my first name as we have known each other nearly 30 years in differing roles.
*not my real name, but a self chosen one for here.
Wasn't there a fuss when New Labour used names rather than job titles for Cabinet meetings? Was this changed back by the Conservatives?1 -
Johnson's legacy could well be a return to the inflation mess of the 70s and 80s.Nigelb said:
Employment figures also indicate a tighter labour market than forecast, which may well contribute to that.eek said:
Energy costs aren't going to drop, demand is still rising and supply simply can't (because it already would have done if it could).LostPassword said:
Can you explain why you say that inflation is spiralling out of control?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
All the mainstream media reporting is that this is mainly one-off factors (like the rise in energy costs), or related to post-pandemic disruption (like the increase in prices for second-hand cars), or people spending money they saved during lockdown (which they can only spend once), so you'd expect inflation to come back down next year without a rate rise.
What are the signals that inflation is spiralling?
I'd not be surprised if there was lots the media was missing.
I suppose the only other point I'd make is that the national insurance tax rise would be expected to have a deflationary impact, as it's taking money out of the economy.
The issue here is that people are going to expect another large wage increase and it's wage driven inflation that you need to watch out for here (as it can easily become perpetual / staginflation)
The Tories once again showing they cannot be trusted with the economy.0 -
Which begs the question, how do you prove you are gay?Malmesbury said:
My ex, who worked in immigration law, described the comedy (on occasion) as er.... aggressively homophobic clients would get very worried that, when claiming to be gay, that might have to prove that they were gay.MaxPB said:
That and being told to say they are gay are the two most obvious routes to asylum from shithole but not specifically dangerous countries.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/ 2 -
Can’t you self ID with your correct initials, Foxy?Foxy said:
I used to work with a guy known to all as CS.geoffw said:A well-to-do female doctor neighbour had a Chinese manservant known to all as "Whitey". His initials were YT.
Many Chinese students adopted that kind of initialism for their names.
Mind you, Consultants at work have a 3 letter code. Most are based on their 3 initials, but mine isn't, as someone else already had my initials. Hence I have worked for 20 years with an incorrect middle initial, and get correspondence including an imaginary middle initial. It is mildly irksome as my true middle initial has a long heritage in my family.
I also worked with a firm who used the 3 initials letter code. A friend and colleague had no middle name, but ummd and errd a lot in his speech. His 3 letter code was IRJ.0 -
Re the Yorkshire CC racism debacle...
Apols for my ignorance, is the use of "Kevin" as a derogatory term something unique to YCC or a wider issue?0 -
As the Commons debates MPs' second jobs today, is there another potential scandal waiting to happen? @bbcnews looks at the activities and funding of informal 'all party parliamentary groups', while the Standards committee conducts an inquiry
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By knowing who Johnny Rapid is.turbotubbs said:
Which begs the question, how do you prove you are gay?Malmesbury said:
My ex, who worked in immigration law, described the comedy (on occasion) as er.... aggressively homophobic clients would get very worried that, when claiming to be gay, that might have to prove that they were gay.MaxPB said:
That and being told to say they are gay are the two most obvious routes to asylum from shithole but not specifically dangerous countries.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/0 -
Absolutely not, the Church of England should of course welcome all those who want to convert to Christ.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/
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Never mind that. Why is the Telegraph so mealy-mouthed? "The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack" makes it sound like the bomber was an innocent bystander, and also that the "suicide" part of the mission failed.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/0 -
How is the man that you idolise so managing his "conversion". I am speaking of the man who was referred to by his QC as a "bully and a sex pest".malcolmg said:
How will any Tory manage the conversion from "prioritising themselves"rottenborough said:
Harry Cole
@MrHarryCole
Tricky to see how Douglas Ross, Ben Bradley, Dan Jarvis etc who all have big public jobs away from Westminster as an MSP, Council chief or Mayor will get past the Government's adoption of Standards Committee recommendation one: that they "prioritise" the Commons.0 -
I switched from my own school because I had a relatively grim time there and didn't want to be exchanging insincere chitchat with members of my own cohort as fellow-parents 8 times a year.boulay said:
Not all boys are suitable characters for Eton. Some are not particularly bright and might suit Millfield, some might be wanting to go onto the Royal Agricultural at Cirencester to learn to run the estate and so Stowe might be a better fit, some might be very musical and suit Bedales and some might fit a future as a cad and a bounder so Harrow is perfect…… (obviously the examples are not overly serious…).IshmaelZ said:
They should have taken outside advice from the Archbishop of C, or the last PM but one...DecrepiterJohnL said:Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.
It is odd how not the public schools generally but Eton specifically dominates public life. Makes one idly wonder why one sends ones children elsewhere. Eton doesn't cost markedly more
A lot of friends who had OE fathers said their fathers had a grim time at Eton so didn’t want them to go there.
St Paul’s and Westminster suit London based parents who are opposed to their children boarding but want them to have a great education and future network.
Some parents might just not want their sons to be rubbish politicians and so reduce the chances by sending them elsewhere!
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Full time job making sure impoverished parents aren’t spending their kids’ dinner money in crack dens.RochdalePioneers said:
Ben Bradley the supposed MP for Mansfield officially declares that he works 60 hours a week in his two other jobs which includes being leader of Nottinghamshire County Council.rottenborough said:
Harry Cole
@MrHarryCole
Tricky to see how Douglas Ross, Ben Bradley, Dan Jarvis etc who all have big public jobs away from Westminster as an MSP, Council chief or Mayor will get past the Government's adoption of Standards Committee recommendation one: that they "prioritise" the Commons.1 -
Shipping costs, though, appear to be unsustainably high.RochdalePioneers said:
That's been obvious for a little while in the real economy.MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
What is causing it? The price of bloody everything going up. There's swathes of real shortages out there and what you can get has had a whopping price increase. Which means the cost of getting work done, things produced or shipped etc etc etc has gone up.DecrepiterJohnL said:Ah but what is causing this inflation? The economy was deliberately shrunk by governments in the face of the Covid pandemic. Contraction was not caused by lack of demand, money supply, or the economic cycle. The risk is surely that central bankers' traditional toolkit and analysis are ill-suited to today's unique conditions.
A 27% swing in the inflation rate in a month is Not Good.
While there are barriers to entry into the market, they could swing downwards over time.
Similarly, how long will the 'real shortages' last ? Markets tend to correct such things.0 -
There's also a wider spectrum of etonians than people think, they aren't all in the Cabinet.algarkirk said:
Because, at heart, the overwhelming majority of people don't want a family life and lifestyle with the world of Eton and Etonians at the centre of it. It is part of the misunderstanding of celebrity culture generally; most people like and follow many aspects of the lives of elites in showbiz, money, fame, power, networking and all that, but truly don't want it for themselves, even if they think they do.IshmaelZ said:
They should have taken outside advice from the Archbishop of C, or the last PM but one...DecrepiterJohnL said:Speaking of Eton in a non-Godwin context, has it been noted the players at the centre of the Owen Paterson botched rescue all went to the same school? Boris, Kwasi (who did the media tour), JRM and Charles Moore, whose brainchild it might have been.
It is odd how not the public schools generally but Eton specifically dominates public life. Makes one idly wonder why one sends ones children elsewhere. Eton doesn't cost markedly more
Character is destiny, and to be sent to Eton means that both your genetic inheritance and your surrounding culture has probably formed you to keep up your membership of the group.
The worst thing about the place is Pop which seems to me utterly pernicious: basically Pop is to Etonians what Etonians are to the rest of the world, so a sort of blueprint of snobby elitism
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Like your religion, they *have* to take your word for it. Which is why it is such a handy method of claiming asylum.turbotubbs said:
Which begs the question, how do you prove you are gay?Malmesbury said:
My ex, who worked in immigration law, described the comedy (on occasion) as er.... aggressively homophobic clients would get very worried that, when claiming to be gay, that might have to prove that they were gay.MaxPB said:
That and being told to say they are gay are the two most obvious routes to asylum from shithole but not specifically dangerous countries.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/
Mind you, given the efforts to claim that physical things like age can't be checked....
One point in this - if the church did go through with a fake conversion, they may have fuelled the self-loathing of the individual in question.
Apparently a big thing in radicalisation is the element of "you have corrupted yourself with Western indulgence" - forsaking your faith with a lie would have fed into that.0 -
Looking at the detailed results, what stands out is a swing from far right (the Danish People's Party were halved) to mainstream conservatives, and from social democrats to parties to their left. Enhedslisten now lead in Copenhagewn as kingbongo says, and, bizarrely to me, Bornholm, which in my recollection is as intellectual and working-class as, say, the Isle of Wight. What's happened there, kingobongo?kingbongo said:
FREDERIKSBERG has a social democrat mayor - perhaps only Nick Palmer will appreciate what a shock this is and shows how demographic change is sending the Copenhagen area redder than ever - his old chums in Enhedslisten (lightweight communists with ponytails) also THRASHED the social democrats in Copenhagen - the "mink scandal" hit the social democrats very hard and they had their worst night in decades and the Konservative had their best night0 -
French shoes?!? French SHOES?Gallowgate said:
I like themTheScreamingEagles said:
I've bought, well ordered, some new shoes, what do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, sounds about as sensible as not buying new shoes.
*shudder*
That’s like buying Irish wine, or American cheese2 -
Golly, email from Amazon saying you can't pay by visa credit card as from january
Unless it's a Nigerian prince wanting some alternative card details from me1 -
Traditionally, Ottomans did not have surnames. In the 1930s Ataturk 'westernised' the newly-found republic of Turkey, and this included everyone choosing their surnames. Ataturk himself was 'given' his surname: it means 'Father of the Turks'.NickPalmer said:
Very interesting (to me), thanks!kingbongo said:
Or like my wife's family taken from the surname of an old Tsar so as not to sound "too jewish" during one of Stalin's fits of temper in the 50's - of course they were still jews so my mother in law wasn't allowed to go to Moscow University as they had filled their 'jew quota' at the timeDecrepiterJohnL said:On the names front, we should also remember that many Jewish names were adopted from packing cases or shop signs to satisfy immigration officials.
FREDERIKSBERG has a social democrat mayor - perhaps only Nick Palmer will appreciate what a shock this is and shows how demographic change is sending the Copenhagen area redder than ever - his old chums in Enhedslisten (lightweight communists with ponytails) also THRASHED the social democrats in Copenhagen - the "mink scandal" hit the social democrats very hard and they had their worst night in decades and the Konservative had their best night
Can you imagine having to choose a surname that will be passed own through the generations?1 -
The stitched-in-and-forced-into-it hypothesis is not dead; on life support, admittedly.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Never mind that. Why is the Telegraph so mealy-mouthed? "The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack" makes it sound like the bomber was an innocent bystander, and also that the "suicide" part of the mission failed.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/
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Or having an Erasure CDTheScreamingEagles said:
By knowing who Johnny Rapid is.turbotubbs said:
Which begs the question, how do you prove you are gay?Malmesbury said:
My ex, who worked in immigration law, described the comedy (on occasion) as er.... aggressively homophobic clients would get very worried that, when claiming to be gay, that might have to prove that they were gay.MaxPB said:
That and being told to say they are gay are the two most obvious routes to asylum from shithole but not specifically dangerous countries.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/
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Excellent - I'm NOT gay then...TheScreamingEagles said:
By knowing who Johnny Rapid is.turbotubbs said:
Which begs the question, how do you prove you are gay?Malmesbury said:
My ex, who worked in immigration law, described the comedy (on occasion) as er.... aggressively homophobic clients would get very worried that, when claiming to be gay, that might have to prove that they were gay.MaxPB said:
That and being told to say they are gay are the two most obvious routes to asylum from shithole but not specifically dangerous countries.TheScreamingEagles said:I retract my previous criticisms of the Church of England, I'm sure @HYUFD will now be espousing disestablishing the Church of England.
The Church of England is facing questions over its role in converting hundreds of asylum seekers, including the Liverpool suicide bomber, to Christianity in an attempt to help them avoid deportation.
Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, is understood to be appalled at the "merry-go-round" of failed asylum seekers changing religion and using other tactics to launch "appeal after appeal" to stay in the country.
The Iraqi man killed in the abortive suicide bomb attack outside Liverpool Women's Hospital is understood to have been helped by the Church in his attempts to avoid being kicked out of Britain, after his claim for asylum was first rejected in 2014.
The Home Office believes changing religion is now "standard practice" among asylum seekers from countries including Iraq "to game the asylum system", as converts claim they are at risk of persecution in their home countries.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/17/church-fire-wake-liverpool-suicide-bombing-helping-asylum-seekers/0 -
Nope was about to report the same.IshmaelZ said:Golly, email from Amazon saying you can't pay by visa credit card as from january
Unless it's a Nigerian prince wanting some alternative card details from me
It seems Mastercard have cut Amazon a discounted rate that Visa weren't willing to match. Visa Debit cards aren't impacted but I don't have 1 anymore as I discovered to my cost when Ticketmaster weren't accepting Mastercard a while back.0 -
Global supply chains were shut down. To fully re-open them will take at least a year. The problem is that the supply chains are essentially a set of queues - and from queuing theory, we can expect a lot of oscillations. One part of the system will come up to speed, but be blocked by issues further down the system, get hit by back pressure.....Nigelb said:
Shipping costs, though, appear to be unsustainably high.RochdalePioneers said:
That's been obvious for a little while in the real economy.MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
What is causing it? The price of bloody everything going up. There's swathes of real shortages out there and what you can get has had a whopping price increase. Which means the cost of getting work done, things produced or shipped etc etc etc has gone up.DecrepiterJohnL said:Ah but what is causing this inflation? The economy was deliberately shrunk by governments in the face of the Covid pandemic. Contraction was not caused by lack of demand, money supply, or the economic cycle. The risk is surely that central bankers' traditional toolkit and analysis are ill-suited to today's unique conditions.
A 27% swing in the inflation rate in a month is Not Good.
While there are barriers to entry into the market, they could swing downwards over time.
Similarly, how long will the 'real shortages' last ? Markets tend to correct such things.
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Sending a message to Putin on Ukraine...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-by-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-and-ukraine-defence-minister-oleksii-yuriyovych-reznikov
"Our governments have no desire to be adversarial, or seek in any way to strategically encircle or undermine the Russian Federation. We are concerned by Russia’s military build-up and activity around the borders of Ukraine."0 -
Erring on the side of caution might mean not risking choking off the recovery. We already have very high tax rates (as a percentage taken, not the nominal rates) and on the other hand, record government support of the private sector. We are not in Kansas any more.eek said:
If so better to err on the side of caution with interest rates slightly too high, than on let things get out of hand.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Ah but what is causing this inflation? The economy was deliberately shrunk by governments in the face of the Covid pandemic. Contraction was not caused by lack of demand, money supply, or the economic cycle. The risk is surely that central bankers' traditional toolkit and analysis are ill-suited to today's unique conditions.MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
The issue here is that we don't know what the natural rate of interest should be nowadays - it may be 1% (in which case it's low but fixable low) it may be 3% in which case we are going to see a lot of rapid rises...0 -
Over the past few decades high energy prices have always lead to more investment in marginal sources of supply which has them brought prices down.eek said:
Energy costs aren't going to drop, demand is still rising and supply simply can't (because it already would have done if it could).LostPassword said:
Can you explain why you say that inflation is spiralling out of control?MaxPB said:Time for the governor to convene the MPC in an emergency meeting and put rates up. We can't wait now, inflation is spiralling out of control.
All the mainstream media reporting is that this is mainly one-off factors (like the rise in energy costs), or related to post-pandemic disruption (like the increase in prices for second-hand cars), or people spending money they saved during lockdown (which they can only spend once), so you'd expect inflation to come back down next year without a rate rise.
What are the signals that inflation is spiralling?
I'd not be surprised if there was lots the media was missing.
I suppose the only other point I'd make is that the national insurance tax rise would be expected to have a deflationary impact, as it's taking money out of the economy.
The issue here is that people are going to expect another large wage increase and it's wage driven inflation that you need to watch out for here (as it can easily become perpetual / staginflation)
The media reporting is that wages won't keep pace with inflation, which makes sense to me because we have weak trade unions and global supply chains.
What part of that orthodoxy is wrong?0
