We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Agree that BJ is a back-of-the-envelope kind of PM, and I think the quality of running the place suffered when the Remainer generation defenestrated themselves.
I guess that politically the question is how good are the current generation. And the need to build a rather more resolute secretariat. The outcome of the French fishing argument might tell us whether they ultimately suffer from LMF or not.
Self-defenestrated? Most were unceremoniously escorted off the premises by Cummings?
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
Do you know what HYUFD. You have set a very, very low bar there which your Government has failed to clear.
Corbyn would have been disastrous but probably less so in minority than the coach and horses this bunch of chancers are driving through our long held conventions
Here's a hypothetical:
What would this government have to do, to push HY into the same position as are now so many others, saying that its behaviour has gone too far?
A question HY himself can surely have a stab at, if he has any self-awareness at all?
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
The Bank of England predicts absolutely anaemic growth through 2023 and falling real wages.
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
If I were a Tory MP I would be very depressed and demoralised tonight.
I have only just seen the news. What the hell is Johnson playing at?
Usually he just sends out a luckless minister to defend the indefensible, then U turns the next day, but to send out the whole Conservative party to do so, get shat on, then the U turn. What a complete and total fuckwitted bustard!
Off to the match shortly. Interesting lineup for LCFC.
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
If that was the case, clearly Boris didn't watch it until well after it was first shown.
It's almost like the first time he saw the interview was at 8:59 this morning just before the u-turn kicked off.
If Paterson was wholly innocent, as he claimed, then why shouldn't he act the same way again? So Boris must be presuming his guilt. But if Paterson is slam-dunk guilty then what was the whole 'right of appeal' thing about?
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
If that was the case, clearly Boris didn't watch it until well after it was first shown.
It's almost like the first time he saw the interview was at 8:59 this morning just before the u-turn kicked off.
If Paterson was wholly innocent, as he claimed, then why shouldn't he act the same way again? So Boris must be presuming his guilt. But if Paterson is slam-dunk guilty then what was the whole 'right of appeal' thing about?
Boris is - rather sickeningly - trying to pin the whole debacle on a now-defenestrated Owen Paterson.
Considering I'm now healthy (at least one run every day this year; 317 runs and 2,344 miles in total), I don't think so.
I'd also like to think I've got a better personality - although that might not always show up on here ...
Since when was running 2,344 miles “healthy”?
I bet if you check, a lot of it was on a bus route.
That Greek guy who did the first long distance run dropped dead at the end of it, as I recall (from history, obvs). There’s the clue, right there.
You may be shocked to hear that I have no intention of dying.
I'm trying to run every path and road (bar motorways) in an area between Royston, Cambridge, Huntingdon, and Sandy. This is my second year at it, and the GPS logs have produced what my wife calls my 'Map of Crazy'. I'll hopefully be done early next year; Cambridge is sucking up the miles, and I'm only doing the stuff west of the guided busway/River Cam.
And most of it is not on bus routes. But since every run has been circular (or at least ending at the point it started), no public transport was required. Unless I get lost ...
Just think about how far away from home you’d be by now, if you hadn’t bothered doubling back?
My hiking intention is to walk the equivalent of the circumference of the world. I'm currently at 18571.7 miles, so have ~6,500 miles to go. I haven't done any walks for a couple of years though, due to Covid. I'll probably get there running first ...
If you know the story of the first person to walk around the world, Dave Kunst, it's probably best to remain in your own country and do it.
I guess you could do it round and round your own living room, if you were determined enough. But it would somewhat be lacking in adventure.
One of the reasons I'm doing the Map of Crazy is that I get bored running/walking the same routes too often. I've done every road and path in my village several times, and I love getting out and exploring.
I'm getting to know every nook ad cranny of my home area. It's been wonderful.
Doing this, I've found village ovenhouses, several village lockups, secret airfields (and their secret museums), sandy pits, wide-gauge railway tracks (*), stellar views, great sunrises, beautiful secluded spots, and one GOML.
(*) Extra points for anyone who can guess where the tracks were ...
I agree; I set myself the challenge of walking every footpath on the island with the dog, and in the last couple of years I’ve been marking up the OS map as I go, and I have made a very decent start. Whether I will ever finish the task, I don’t know - I’ll probably be left with a load of bits and pieces of path that objectively aren’t worth travelling out to walk.
My added wisdom is to leave all the running about to the dog.
The problem with trying to run every road and path in this area of Camridgeshire/Bedfordshire is that the buggers keep on building more of them. I was up in Godmanchester this morning, and a couple of new roads have sprung up in the last few months. I want a moratorium on new building until I've completed ...
But walking all the island (I assume the IoW?) is a great idea. It's a brilliant area.
Indeed it is! We've done all the coastal path on the eastern and southern sides, and tons of superb walks inland. There isn't a day when I am not thankful that I'm not having to walk the dog in Roding Valley Park, where I used to live, under the M11 flyover with lorries thundering by. But the task of actually walking every path on the island is going to leave me with tons of odd bits to spend days going out to walk. And some farmers have a habit of making some of the lesser used ones rather difficult to traverse.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
It isn't, after Suez we were isolated from the US and humiliated on the world stage.
After the Winter of Discontent the unions ran the country, rubbish was not collected, inflation was out of control, most industries were inefficient and nationalised and we had sky high tax
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
What are the things that make the state of the country today worse than then in your view?
It is quite funny and telling that they have replaced it with a picture of an unknown Welsh hedgelayer, presumably on the basis that anyone famous from history they put up was probably going to turn out to be offensive to some section of the Wokerati and so the easiest answer was only to show pictures of people no one can identify.
It is quite funny and telling that they have replaced it with a picture of an unknown Welsh hedgelayer, presumably on the basis that anyone famous from history they put up was probably going to turn out to be offensive to some section of the Wokerati and so the easiest answer was only to show pictures of people no one can identify.
Those poor hedges! Being abused by that awful man! Hedges have feelings, too!
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
It isn't, after Suez we were isolated from the US and humiliated on the world stage.
After the Winter of Discontent the unions ran the country, rubbish was not collected, inflation was out of control, most industries were inefficient and nationalised and we had sky high tax
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
It isn't, after Suez we were isolated from the US and humiliated on the world stage.
After the Winter of Discontent the unions ran the country, rubbish was not collected, inflation was out of control, most industries were inefficient and nationalised and we had sky high tax
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
Clearly the PM did not read Owen Paterson’s 1,458-word statement when the report came out last month. It literally said the words: “I would not hesitate to act in the same way again.”
Every day we sacrifice people's liberties under lockdown is a day lost to 67 million people. That's equivalent to 183,561 years sacrificed.
Lockdown was a price that was potentially arguably justified pre-vaccines. Now its simply inexcusable.
If people die, they die. Celebrate their life, and make the most of your own life.
Thank God you are no longer a member of the Tory Party. Go and find a nasty party to join.
Saying that death is a fact of life is "nasty" is it? No it isn't, its being realistic instead of delusional.
I think you'll find the Tory Party are treating this issue with the same cold logic as I am.
Your post is odious and callous in the extreme. It is an indicator of how you view the world. You need to get out more and mix with real people. Oh, hang on, maybe it is best you don't!
Saying to celebrate people's life is not callous.
Five people die every day on the roads, should we ban cars as a result?
I was referring to the callousness of your post. Your attempt to justify it looks a little like a parallel to anyone trying to justify what happened in parliament yesterday. It is a post that makes you look like an uncaring, callous little twerp at best. Whether you are an uncaring callous little twerp is only known to those that know you in real life. You do little to disabuse those of us on here who do not, but who think that is probably what you are.
Anyone who doesn't care about the destitution and misery that lockdown causes is an uncaring, callous little twerp.
Hear, hear.
It's not even as if Sweden, Florida and Japan did badly. They did as well as or better than regions with restrictions. (NB Florida opened up summer 2020.)
You ought to read some sceptic websites. The data's a bit suppressed by the MSM who are mostly pushing a pro-lockdown narrative, even though we never used them before 2020. Funny, that.
Are you for real?
Let's take Florida shall we. DeSantis did something really sensible: he allowed local cities and counties to set Covid restrictions. If you went to Miami or Orlando, you would have seen restrictions almost as onerous as in the UK. Indeed, the whole fuss right now in Florida is about the Governor attempting to ban local government from implementing restrictions.
And then we'll talk about Sweden. Although they started with no lockdown, progressively stricter measures were implemented, and Stockholm (by the middle of this year) was probably more locked down than the UK.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Of course, all successful political leaders have to be ruthless. John Major dumped Norman Lamont who had run his successful leadership campaign.
Further back, MacmIllan sacked half his Cabinet in one night.
The problem with throwing someone to the wolves is one day there's no one left to throw and the wolves are still advancing.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
The Bank of England predicts absolutely anaemic growth through 2023 and falling real wages.
Good thing nobody in government is on the record as saying that real wages are the only thing that matters, isn't it?
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
The Bank of England predicts absolutely anaemic growth through 2023 and falling real wages.
Good thing nobody in government is on the record as saying that real wages are the only thing that matters, isn't it?
Wait for the howls of pain if COP26 gets implemented.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
It isn't, after Suez we were isolated from the US and humiliated on the world stage.
After the Winter of Discontent the unions ran the country, rubbish was not collected, inflation was out of control, most industries were inefficient and nationalised and we had sky high tax
Biden fails again on drug pricing…. A baggie of heroin used to cost $5.99. Now, thanks to Biden's decision to get out of Afghanistan, it's $8.50. When you buy two baggies a day, and you multiply that by 30 days in a month, it's almost as much as cable tv. https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1456262869138362375
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
The Bank of England predicts absolutely anaemic growth through 2023 and falling real wages.
Good thing nobody in government is on the record as saying that real wages are the only thing that matters, isn't it?
It kept the PB Tories in memes for a few weeks. I can’t wait to see what the next line to take will be.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
It isn't, after Suez we were isolated from the US and humiliated on the world stage.
After the Winter of Discontent the unions ran the country, rubbish was not collected, inflation was out of control, most industries were inefficient and nationalised and we had sky high tax
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
The Bank of England predicts absolutely anaemic growth through 2023 and falling real wages.
Good thing nobody in government is on the record as saying that real wages are the only thing that matters, isn't it?
It kept the PB Tories in memes for a few weeks. I can’t wait to see what the next line to take will be.
The truest happiness lies in working hard and living frugally.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
The Bank of England predicts absolutely anaemic growth through 2023 and falling real wages.
Good thing nobody in government is on the record as saying that real wages are the only thing that matters, isn't it?
It kept the PB Tories in memes for a few weeks. I can’t wait to see what the next line to take will be.
It is what matters. If wages stop growing and inflation takes off then that's a failure.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
Do you know what HYUFD. You have set a very, very low bar there which your Government has failed to clear.
Corbyn would have been disastrous but probably less so in minority than the coach and horses this bunch of chancers are driving through our long held conventions
Here's a hypothetical:
What would this government have to do, to push HY into the same position as are now so many others, saying that its behaviour has gone too far?
A question HY himself can surely have a stab at, if he has any self-awareness at all?
More than 100 Tory MPs failed to vote with the prime minister, even though — according to one backbencher — some were told “they would lose funding for their constituency” if they failed to toe the line.
Why is the Essicks Massiv banging on about Corbyn?
"Because Corbyn" is not an excuse to dig a pit into the sewer (that you have just voted to keep pumping turds into the sea). As the Tory party has no standards, no sense of basic decency, of right and wrong then what is it for? "To keep out Corbyn" isn't enough, especially when Corbyn is gone.
Johnson could eat a kitten at an event to promote animal welfare and HYUFD would claim some polling support for the PM's actions.
More than 100 Tory MPs failed to vote with the prime minister, even though — according to one backbencher — some were told “they would lose funding for their constituency” if they failed to toe the line.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
What are the things that make the state of the country today worse than then in your view?
Basically the still bitter divisions between Leavers and Remainers. There are places I go where it’s undesirable to say one is one or the other.
More than 100 Tory MPs failed to vote with the prime minister, even though — according to one backbencher — some were told “they would lose funding for their constituency” if they failed to toe the line.
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
If I were a Tory MP I would be very depressed and demoralised tonight.
One thing has always been clear about Boris, when he needs to be ruthless he will be. That is what also led him to back Leave and abandon Cameron and also abandon May after her deal and that is what has got him where he is now.
He will throw anyone under the bus, including close allies, even Cummings, if need be if he sees a real threat to his popularity. Paterson is just another casualty
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Bullshit. The whole problem with Johnson is that he isn't ruthless. A ruthless PM would have told Paterson to STFU or lose the whip permanently. Or fired Dominic Cummings over Barnard Castle. Or Gavin Williamson and Nick Gibb over the exam farce. Or Cressida Dick over Sarah Everard's murder. Or Dido Harding over the disaster that is track and trace. Or been the first, not the last, to resign over Chequers.
His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
Why is the Essicks Massiv banging on about Corbyn?
"Because Corbyn" is not an excuse to dig a pit into the sewer (that you have just voted to keep pumping turds into the sea). As the Tory party has no standards, no sense of basic decency, of right and wrong then what is it for? "To keep out Corbyn" isn't enough, especially when Corbyn is gone.
Johnson could eat a kitten at an event to promote animal welfare and HYUFD would claim some polling support for the PM's actions.
Reminds me of those Labour types who were blaming Thatcher well into the 2000s.
Just glancing at the passenger transport numbers and with it being half term, the numbers perhaps slightly distorted. Rail passenger numbers back to 60% of pre-Covid numbers but tube passenger numbers perked up to 63-65% of pre-Covid numbers perhaps indicating families taking advantage of the weather to enjoy a day out in London.
"I'm afraid that, by any reasonable measure, the man is financially corrupt"
"They only wanted to suspend him for 30 days. He could have gone on holiday for a month and been back in the Commons by Christmas"
"The Government obviously misread what would be a disastrous decision to propose amending the standards system retrospectively"
"My MP appears quite shocked that people have said, on his social media timeline, that they are reconsidering votes promised to him for the next GE. We need a new leader and we need that to happen now. "
"My sympathy to Mr Paterson and his family for their loss. Nonetheless, his actions were corrupt and it’s better that he is leaving parliament"
"He was bang to rights and everyone knew it"
"I'm still wondering if No 10's 3 line whip on the Leadsom amendment was less about Paterson and more about Johnson personally." (ed: yes, there's insight even on ConHome)
"If he had demonstrated as least some humility, then he might still be an MP".
"Let's hope he does the decent thing and pays his dodgy 200k of payments for lobbying to charity. I very much doubt it."
"I think Andrea Leadsome and JRM should be also considering their positions this evening. The stink from this is going to hang around for a long time."
"Boris misread the situation and has now rowed back. He will no doubt hope for some new breakthrough at Cop26 so attention is diverted from this debacle. Does no one in govt actually think through the consequences of their actions?"
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
It isn't, after Suez we were isolated from the US and humiliated on the world stage.
After the Winter of Discontent the unions ran the country, rubbish was not collected, inflation was out of control, most industries were inefficient and nationalised and we had sky high tax
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
What are the things that make the state of the country today worse than then in your view?
Basically the still bitter divisions between Leavers and Remainers. There are places I go where it’s undesirable to say one is one or the other.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
And a merry old soul is he.
To be fair, it’s not all good in my life ATM.
Yes, I’m sorry. That was a bit thoughtless of me. I hope things improve for you.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Bullshit. The whole problem with Johnson is that he isn't ruthless. A ruthless PM would have told Paterson to STFU or lose the whip permanently. Or fired Dominic Cummings over Barnard Castle. Or Gavin Williamson and Nick Gibb over the exam farce. Or Cressida Dick over Sarah Everard's murder. Or Dido Harding over the disaster that is track and trace. Or been the first, not the last, to resign over Chequers.
His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
Johnson couldn't tell Paterson to STFU. He knows that the commissioner is coming after all of his own egregious rule breaches. So the lunatic defence last night was to force her resignation, create a Tory-led talking shop which would kick investigations about his holidays and nutnut's wallpaper a long way down the road.
I assume he will find another whizzo wheeze to hind behind. Will do more damage to the party and his government but he doesn't care about those either.
Why is the Essicks Massiv banging on about Corbyn?
"Because Corbyn" is not an excuse to dig a pit into the sewer (that you have just voted to keep pumping turds into the sea). As the Tory party has no standards, no sense of basic decency, of right and wrong then what is it for? "To keep out Corbyn" isn't enough, especially when Corbyn is gone.
Johnson could eat a kitten at an event to promote animal welfare and HYUFD would claim some polling support for the PM's actions.
Reminds me of those Labour types who were blaming Thatcher well into the 2000s.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
What are the things that make the state of the country today worse than then in your view?
Basically the still bitter divisions between Leavers and Remainers. There are places I go where it’s undesirable to say one is one or the other.
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
So Newcastle-under-Lyme won't be getting any more funding.
Lab gain at the next GE?
I would doubt it. That whole area has been trending Tory for a long time and by 2024 there will be even more wealthy people moving in to take advantage of nice house prices in a fairly pleasant area as HS2 draws nearer and brings that whole area within easy reach of London.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Bullshit. The whole problem with Johnson is that he isn't ruthless. A ruthless PM would have told Paterson to STFU or lose the whip permanently. Or fired Dominic Cummings over Barnard Castle. Or Gavin Williamson and Nick Gibb over the exam farce. Or Cressida Dick over Sarah Everard's murder. Or Dido Harding over the disaster that is track and trace. Or been the first, not the last, to resign over Chequers.
His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
Johnson couldn't tell Paterson to STFU. He knows that the commissioner is coming after all of his own egregious rule breaches. So the lunatic defence last night was to force her resignation, create a Tory-led talking shop which would kick investigations about his holidays and nutnut's wallpaper a long way down the road.
I assume he will find another whizzo wheeze to hind behind. Will do more damage to the party and his government but he doesn't care about those either.
My favourite part of the whizz was proposing to put John Whittingdale in charge, a man so corrupt he was literally taking freebies from lap dancing clubs while presiding over a committee to look at lapdance licensing.
Again, as someone mentioned upthread, there is something flagrantly provocative about some of Boris’s moves. He almost wants to degrade his own supporters somehow.
So Newcastle-under-Lyme won't be getting any more funding.
Lab gain at the next GE?
I would doubt it. That whole area has been trending Tory for a long time and by 2024 there will be even more wealthy people moving in to take advantage of nice house prices in a fairly pleasant area as HS2 draws nearer and brings that whole area within east reach of London.
I hope you're right.
We need Aaron Bell to remain an MP but that c*** that is Boris Johnson may make it more difficult for him.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Bullshit. The whole problem with Johnson is that he isn't ruthless. A ruthless PM would have told Paterson to STFU or lose the whip permanently. Or fired Dominic Cummings over Barnard Castle. Or Gavin Williamson and Nick Gibb over the exam farce. Or Cressida Dick over Sarah Everard's murder. Or Dido Harding over the disaster that is track and trace. Or been the first, not the last, to resign over Chequers.
His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
Johnson couldn't tell Paterson to STFU. He knows that the commissioner is coming after all of his own egregious rule breaches. So the lunatic defence last night was to force her resignation, create a Tory-led talking shop which would kick investigations about his holidays and nutnut's wallpaper a long way down the road.
I assume he will find another whizzo wheeze to hind behind. Will do more damage to the party and his government but he doesn't care about those either.
My favourite part of the whizz was proposing to put John Whittingdale in charge, a man so corrupt he was literally taking freebies from lap dancing clubs while presiding over a committee to look at lap dancing licensing.
Tbf, there was an impressively large tit on display the night he went.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
And a merry old soul is he.
To be fair, it’s not all good in my life ATM.
Yes, I’m sorry. That was a bit thoughtless of me. I hope things improve for you.
Thanks. Trying to come to terms. Bit of a bad day today.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
And a merry old soul is he.
To be fair, it’s not all good in my life ATM.
Yes, I’m sorry. That was a bit thoughtless of me. I hope things improve for you.
Thanks. Trying to come to terms. Bit of a bad day today.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
And a merry old soul is he.
To be fair, it’s not all good in my life ATM.
Yes, I’m sorry. That was a bit thoughtless of me. I hope things improve for you.
Thanks. Trying to come to terms. Bit of a bad day today.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
What are the things that make the state of the country today worse than then in your view?
Basically the still bitter divisions between Leavers and Remainers. There are places I go where it’s undesirable to say one is one or the other.
Good luck with your Xmas family dinner.
Not a problem chez Cole.
Je suis sûr que votre repas de famille sera favorable à l’Europe e che eventuali amici o parenti di un'opinione contraria saranno lasciati nella cuccia del cane und angemessen bestraft für ihre elende und selbstzerstörerische Täuschung.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Bullshit. The whole problem with Johnson is that he isn't ruthless. A ruthless PM would have told Paterson to STFU or lose the whip permanently. Or fired Dominic Cummings over Barnard Castle. Or Gavin Williamson and Nick Gibb over the exam farce. Or Cressida Dick over Sarah Everard's murder. Or Dido Harding over the disaster that is track and trace. Or been the first, not the last, to resign over Chequers.
His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
Johnson couldn't tell Paterson to STFU. He knows that the commissioner is coming after all of his own egregious rule breaches. So the lunatic defence last night was to force her resignation, create a Tory-led talking shop which would kick investigations about his holidays and nutnut's wallpaper a long way down the road.
I assume he will find another whizzo wheeze to hind behind. Will do more damage to the party and his government but he doesn't care about those either.
My favourite part of the whizz was proposing to put John Whittingdale in charge, a man so corrupt he was literally taking freebies from lap dancing clubs while presiding over a committee to look at lapdance licensing.
Again, as someone mentioned upthread, there is something flagrantly provocative about some of Boris’s moves. He almost wants to degrade his own supporters somehow.
Yes - that was me. That's to a large exent the influence of the Trump era, I would say.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Bullshit. The whole problem with Johnson is that he isn't ruthless. A ruthless PM would have told Paterson to STFU or lose the whip permanently. Or fired Dominic Cummings over Barnard Castle. Or Gavin Williamson and Nick Gibb over the exam farce. Or Cressida Dick over Sarah Everard's murder. Or Dido Harding over the disaster that is track and trace. Or been the first, not the last, to resign over Chequers.
His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
Johnson couldn't tell Paterson to STFU. He knows that the commissioner is coming after all of his own egregious rule breaches. So the lunatic defence last night was to force her resignation, create a Tory-led talking shop which would kick investigations about his holidays and nutnut's wallpaper a long way down the road.
I assume he will find another whizzo wheeze to hind behind. Will do more damage to the party and his government but he doesn't care about those either.
If that was his aim, it was stupid one. She is now secure in post, there is no prospect of changing the system, and the whole issue of Tory sleaze is so firmly established anything she says will be feasted on for months.
It reminds of this famous analysis:
'Eden's four goals were to secure the canal; to make sure it remained open and that oil shipments would continue; to depose Nasser; and to prevent the USSR from gaining influence. "The immediate consequence of the crisis was that the Suez Canal was blocked, oil supplies were interrupted, Nasser's position as the leader of Arab nationalism was strengthened, and the way was left open for Russian intrusion into the Middle East.'"
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
And a merry old soul is he.
To be fair, it’s not all good in my life ATM.
Yes, I’m sorry. That was a bit thoughtless of me. I hope things improve for you.
Thanks. Trying to come to terms. Bit of a bad day today.
I guess I missed the thread where you detailed your issues, but very sorry to hear about today.
I must say it is exceptionally gratifying to see this bunch of malignant clowns attempt to stitch things up in the most reprehensible manner but instead stitching themselves up so badly as to achieve the diametric opposite of what they were plotting.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
And a merry old soul is he.
To be fair, it’s not all good in my life ATM.
Yes, I’m sorry. That was a bit thoughtless of me. I hope things improve for you.
Thanks. Trying to come to terms. Bit of a bad day today.
Best wishes Old King
Thanks. How’s the little one doing?
He sleeps all day and is up all night... Fortunately for me he is staying at his Grandparents whilst our house is being done up! Starting to notice a few dramatic sibling tantrums from the 2yo though
So Newcastle-under-Lyme won't be getting any more funding.
Lab gain at the next GE?
I would doubt it. That whole area has been trending Tory for a long time and by 2024 there will be even more wealthy people moving in to take advantage of nice house prices in a fairly pleasant area as HS2 draws nearer and brings that whole area within easy reach of London.
Then eventually the younger graduate professionals move in and it starts trending Labour again?
I must say it is exceptionally gratifying to see this bunch of malignant clowns attempt to stitch things up in the most reprehensible manner but instead stitching themselves up so badly as to achieve the diametric opposite of what they were plotting.
I must say it is exceptionally gratifying to see this bunch of malignant clowns attempt to stitch things up in the most reprehensible manner but instead stitching themselves up so badly as to achieve the diametric opposite of what they were plotting.
They’ll probably extend their lead in the next set of opinion polls.
I must say it is exceptionally gratifying to see this bunch of malignant clowns attempt to stitch things up in the most reprehensible manner but instead stitching themselves up so badly as to achieve the diametric opposite of what they were plotting.
Yes, I keep thinking of Blackadder. Johnson is Baldrick, with his cunning plan to save Paterson. But he has no Blackadder to put him right. For all his sins, he used to have Cummings in that role.
I must say it is exceptionally gratifying to see this bunch of malignant clowns attempt to stitch things up in the most reprehensible manner but instead stitching themselves up so badly as to achieve the diametric opposite of what they were plotting.
Well I am not saying Boris is quite Stalin but he is utterly ruthless. The clown act is exactly that, an act to appeal to the working class, nothing more.
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Bullshit. The whole problem with Johnson is that he isn't ruthless. A ruthless PM would have told Paterson to STFU or lose the whip permanently. Or fired Dominic Cummings over Barnard Castle. Or Gavin Williamson and Nick Gibb over the exam farce. Or Cressida Dick over Sarah Everard's murder. Or Dido Harding over the disaster that is track and trace. Or been the first, not the last, to resign over Chequers.
His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
Johnson couldn't tell Paterson to STFU. He knows that the commissioner is coming after all of his own egregious rule breaches. So the lunatic defence last night was to force her resignation, create a Tory-led talking shop which would kick investigations about his holidays and nutnut's wallpaper a long way down the road.
I assume he will find another whizzo wheeze to hind behind. Will do more damage to the party and his government but he doesn't care about those either.
My favourite part of the whizz was proposing to put John Whittingdale in charge, a man so corrupt he was literally taking freebies from lap dancing clubs while presiding over a committee to look at lapdance licensing.
Again, as someone mentioned upthread, there is something flagrantly provocative about some of Boris’s moves. He almost wants to degrade his own supporters somehow.
Yes - that was me. That's to a large exent the influence of the Trump era, I would say.
You should expand on this. There’s a thread in it, at least.
I must say it is exceptionally gratifying to see this bunch of malignant clowns attempt to stitch things up in the most reprehensible manner but instead stitching themselves up so badly as to achieve the diametric opposite of what they were plotting.
Nail, head, bang.
Or, as Boris would prefer:
Nail, thumb, bang, ow.
Though Johnson's genius includes the ability to make sure that it's always someone else's thumb.
I must say it is exceptionally gratifying to see this bunch of malignant clowns attempt to stitch things up in the most reprehensible manner but instead stitching themselves up so badly as to achieve the diametric opposite of what they were plotting.
They’ll probably extend their lead in the next set of opinion polls.
In the long term it depends, I think. If we continue on Trump's American trajectory to greater and greater shamelessness being seen as the greatest post-modern asset, then yes, but if a different, familiar British cultural memory of propriety as integral to identity eventually kicks in, then possibly not.
More than 100 Tory MPs failed to vote with the prime minister, even though — according to one backbencher — some were told “they would lose funding for their constituency” if they failed to toe the line.
In case any Tories on here wonder, how could a Tory government ever appear so chaotic and ridiculous, I give you the answer: Boris Johnson. I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.
Yet if the Tories had not been led by Boris Johnson to a landslide election victory in 2019, then we may still have a hung parliament, Corbyn would still be Labour leader and we may still not have seen Brexit delivered.
I am beginning to think that if Boris Johnson's first act after winning your much loved landslide had been slaughter of the first born, replacing the Union Flag with a fecking great swastika, and had his own fat ugly mug printed on our bank notes, you would still say "Oooh, but he led us to a landslide so that's ok then!"
We do not have a parallel universe to know what might have happened under an alternative Tory leader, but there is evidence to suggest that it was very much an anti-Corbyn vote, so who knows, we might have had a Tory victory, "got Brexit done (FFS - has that been so great??!)" AND had a government that is not led by a global laughing stock; a man who couldn't plan the proverbial drinks party in a beer making establishment!!!!!!!!
Had Hunt been Tory leader not Boris we know Farage would have stood Brexit party candidates in Tory seats, so more Tory seats would have gone LD. Neither Hunt nor Gove, Boris' main rivals in 2019, would have had the same appeal to Labour Leave voters in the Redwall Boris had either.
So most likely absent Boris as leader we would still be in the same hung parliament limbo we had with May in 2017 and Corbyn would still be Labour leader.
Boris has not been a complete disaster as PM either, see his success with the vaccines and furlough, the security deal with the US and Australia, COP26 etc and of course he did get Brexit done with a trade deal with the EU against the odds
Keep deluding yourself. You are not daft though, and actually I think you are decent chap, so deep down you know he is not up to the job. He will do much more long lasting damage to the Tory Party than a minority Corbyn government would have done, even if that had come to pass, which I think is very unlikely.
Never mind the Tory party, a Corbyn government of any kind would have destroyed the country, thank goodness we avoided that.
The Tories may well have quickly built up a big poll lead in opposition had Corbyn won enough seats to become PM but the damage done to the country would have taken far longer to repair
And there’s no damage being to the country now? As I posted earlier I’ve been around a long time, and the current state of the country is worse than after Suez or the Winter of Discontent.
What are the things that make the state of the country today worse than then in your view?
Basically the still bitter divisions between Leavers and Remainers. There are places I go where it’s undesirable to say one is one or the other.
Good luck with your Xmas family dinner.
Not a problem chez Cole.
Je suis sûr que votre repas de famille sera favorable à l’Europe e che eventuali amici o parenti di un'opinione contraria saranno lasciati nella cuccia del cane und angemessen bestraft für ihre elende und selbstzerstörerische Täuschung.
Some of this is a bit beyond me, and I’m on an iPad, so copying and translating is difficult, but I think you’re being positive. And I have my negative days but usually I can be relied upon to be upbeat.
More than 100 Tory MPs failed to vote with the prime minister, even though — according to one backbencher — some were told “they would lose funding for their constituency” if they failed to toe the line.
All these little pots of money, the "levelling up" funds and what have you, are just mechanisms for extending No 10's powers of patronage. Do what Johnson says, or your constituents pay the consequences. It's a classic mafioso mindset. The man really is a nasty thug.
Why is the Essicks Massiv banging on about Corbyn?
"Because Corbyn" is not an excuse to dig a pit into the sewer (that you have just voted to keep pumping turds into the sea). As the Tory party has no standards, no sense of basic decency, of right and wrong then what is it for? "To keep out Corbyn" isn't enough, especially when Corbyn is gone.
Johnson could eat a kitten at an event to promote animal welfare and HYUFD would claim some polling support for the PM's actions.
Reminds me of those Labour types who were blaming Thatcher well into the 2000s.
You think that has stopped?
The reverse tendency has a long way to go unfortuantely.
More than 100 Tory MPs failed to vote with the prime minister, even though — according to one backbencher — some were told “they would lose funding for their constituency” if they failed to toe the line.
Couldnt they just ask a local business to provide the cash in return for some lobbying?
Genuine
It's kind of how it was. Local small businessmen were by definition members of the local Conservative Association and of course they chipped in to help fund Sir Bufton Tufton's re-election campaign.
Most of us have decided we have better ways to spend our time and money, so party funding depends a lot more on the centre which gives a lot more power to the centre and means it all depends on big dodgy sources.
As in many fields, we get the politics we're prepared to pay for.
Also needless to say, this Trumpist tendency towards the deliberately provocative and shameless has spread well beyond Britain. Zemmour and his comments on Dreyfus are in the same deliberately provocative vein, enjoying the shock of playing with cultural taboos, symbols and democratic benchmarks for the French.
We understand the Prime Minister was deeply unimpressed with Owen Paterson's interview on Sky News on Tuesday evening where OP insisted he "wouldn't hesitate" to act in the same way "tomorrow", two sources have told Sky News.
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It's almost like the first time he saw the interview was at 8:59 this morning just before the u-turn kicked off.
What would this government have to do, to push HY into the same position as are now so many others, saying that its behaviour has gone too far?
A question HY himself can surely have a stab at, if he has any self-awareness at all?
Blair and Thatcher could also be utterly ruthless when needed too, which is why they also were dominant PMs. Blair even dumped Mandelson when he thought he was a liability and forced him to leave the Cabinet and of course shafted Brown to get the top job.
Usually he just sends out a luckless minister to defend the indefensible, then U turns the next day, but to send out the whole Conservative party to do so, get shat on, then the U turn. What a complete and total fuckwitted bustard!
Off to the match shortly. Interesting lineup for LCFC.
After the Winter of Discontent the unions ran the country, rubbish was not collected, inflation was out of control, most industries were inefficient and nationalised and we had sky high tax
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/taxes-record-levels-rishi-sunak-budget-2021-b962986.html
https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1456341092480266240
Let's take Florida shall we. DeSantis did something really sensible: he allowed local cities and counties to set Covid restrictions. If you went to Miami or Orlando, you would have seen restrictions almost as onerous as in the UK. Indeed, the whole fuss right now in Florida is about the Governor attempting to ban local government from implementing restrictions.
And then we'll talk about Sweden. Although they started with no lockdown, progressively stricter measures were implemented, and Stockholm (by the middle of this year) was probably more locked down than the UK.
Between now and 202x, Conservative MPs are literally the only people who can bring the curtain down on the farce.
Further back, MacmIllan sacked half his Cabinet in one night.
The problem with throwing someone to the wolves is one day there's no one left to throw and the wolves are still advancing.
https://twitter.com/FatSideburns/status/1456341922260426753
I does appear that Boris Johnson has walked into a bear trap of his own making.
A baggie of heroin used to cost $5.99. Now, thanks to Biden's decision to get out of Afghanistan, it's $8.50. When you buy two baggies a day, and you multiply that by 30 days in a month, it's almost as much as cable tv.
https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1456262869138362375
I can’t wait to see what the next line to take will be.
More than 100 Tory MPs failed to vote with the prime minister, even though — according to one backbencher — some were told “they would lose funding for their constituency” if they failed to toe the line.
https://www.ft.com/content/51c93ba3-4a59-4e88-92ed-3e152a896493
"Because Corbyn" is not an excuse to dig a pit into the sewer (that you have just voted to keep pumping turds into the sea). As the Tory party has no standards, no sense of basic decency, of right and wrong then what is it for? "To keep out Corbyn" isn't enough, especially when Corbyn is gone.
Johnson could eat a kitten at an event to promote animal welfare and HYUFD would claim some polling support for the PM's actions.
It should have been a conscience vote.
He will throw anyone under the bus, including close allies, even Cummings, if need be if he sees a real threat to his popularity. Paterson is just another casualty
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His problem is the opposite - he's a ditherer. Coupled with being an atrocious judge of character (hello, serial failure Mr Cummings) he tries to hang on to people, often useless ones, far too long and causes far worse problems as a result.
If you honestly think he's not been gravely weakened by today's events, you're a fool.
Speaking of gravely weakened, if I were a creditor of Yorkshire CCC I would be preparing for bankruptcy proceedings. Can the members force an EGM and fire the board? That seems the only hope of staving off complete disaster.
Just glancing at the passenger transport numbers and with it being half term, the numbers perhaps slightly distorted. Rail passenger numbers back to 60% of pre-Covid numbers but tube passenger numbers perked up to 63-65% of pre-Covid numbers perhaps indicating families taking advantage of the weather to enjoy a day out in London.
"I'm afraid that, by any reasonable measure, the man is financially corrupt"
"They only wanted to suspend him for 30 days. He could have gone on holiday for a month and been back in the Commons by Christmas"
"The Government obviously misread what would be a disastrous decision to propose amending the standards system retrospectively"
"My MP appears quite shocked that people have said, on his social media timeline, that they are reconsidering votes promised to him for the next GE. We need a new leader and we need that to happen now. "
"My sympathy to Mr Paterson and his family for their loss. Nonetheless, his actions were corrupt and it’s better that he is leaving parliament"
"He was bang to rights and everyone knew it"
"I'm still wondering if No 10's 3 line whip on the Leadsom amendment was less about Paterson and more about Johnson personally." (ed: yes, there's insight even on ConHome)
"If he had demonstrated as least some humility, then he might still be an MP".
"Let's hope he does the decent thing and pays his dodgy 200k of payments for lobbying to charity. I very much doubt it."
"I think Andrea Leadsome and JRM should be also considering their positions this evening. The stink from this is going to hang around for a long time."
"Boris misread the situation and has now rowed back. He will no doubt hope for some new breakthrough at Cop26 so attention is diverted from this debacle. Does no one in govt actually think through the consequences of their actions?"
I hope things improve for you.
I assume he will find another whizzo wheeze to hind behind. Will do more damage to the party and his government but he doesn't care about those either.
Lab gain at the next GE?
That is an attempt at an 'I'm stupid' defence - only used when the alternative is worse.
My favourite part of the whizz was proposing to put John Whittingdale in charge, a man so corrupt he was literally taking freebies from lap dancing clubs while presiding over a committee to look at lapdance licensing.
Again, as someone mentioned upthread, there is something flagrantly provocative about some of Boris’s moves. He almost wants to degrade his own supporters somehow.
We need Aaron Bell to remain an MP but that c*** that is Boris Johnson may make it more difficult for him.
Along with much female genitalia.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/oct/03/food-dye-as-paint-hair-as-a-brush-how-a-lifer-found-an-escape-in-art
It reminds of this famous analysis:
'Eden's four goals were to secure the canal; to make sure it remained open and that oil shipments would continue; to depose Nasser; and to prevent the USSR from gaining influence. "The immediate consequence of the crisis was that the Suez Canal was blocked, oil supplies were interrupted, Nasser's position as the leader of Arab nationalism was strengthened, and the way was left open for Russian intrusion into the Middle East.'"
Best wishes to you and yours.
Nail, thumb, bang, ow.
There’s a thread in it, at least.
And I have my negative days but usually I can be relied upon to be upbeat.
The reverse tendency has a long way to go unfortuantely.
Most of us have decided we have better ways to spend our time and money, so party funding depends a lot more on the centre which gives a lot more power to the centre and means it all depends on big dodgy sources.
As in many fields, we get the politics we're prepared to pay for.
Can anyone seriously have any respect for Johnson either as a politician or a human being? They're even wheeling out Heleltine......
When will the Tories understand that what pisses off voters more than anything is one law for us and another for them.
Who do they think puts them in power!? Gandalf? https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1456355314295615490
Boris is bad, but this chap is in a totally different league.
Gimli strikes me as more of a first time Tory voter in a red wall seat.
Harsh but fair on the damage this has done to Kwarteng. @AlastairMeeks is asking on twitter whether KK is considering his position.
Amazing to think he “walked among us” for thirty odd years before finally being caught.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-59167648