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  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509
    edited October 2021
    HYUFD said:

    No it would be right to declare UDI and I would fully support it if it had its wish to stay in the UK ignored.

    Independence is fine. Doesn't mean we have to take them though. England should get a vote too.
  • HYUFD said:

    The GFA only works with Protestant and Catholic consent, impose direct rule from Dublin alongside the Irish sea border and it will be ended from the Protestant side as much as a hard border in Ireland and direct rule from London over NI would end it from the Catholic side
    If the Protestants lose a border poll then there are no Mulligans.

    The UK has already signed up to that.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    No its rationing our available capacity.

    We already tell alcoholics they have hoops to go through to get treatment. Drink and you can't get a new liver.
    We already tell the obese they have hoops to go through to get treatment too. You can't just turn up at A&E and demand bariatric surgery.

    I hope no restrictions ever become necessary again, but given that the unvaccinated are scientifically proven to be a bigger risk to others (as they are not only more likely to have Covid, but they excrete a higher dose of it too) there's medical justification for risk segregation too if the NHS capacity becomes reached.

    If anyone doesn't want to take their chances, there's a simple solution.
    There’s a huge philosophical difference.

    Withholding treatment from ongoing alcoholics is because it undermines the likely success of the treatment. It means resources (ie a scarce liver) could be better used elsewhere. It makes no judgement on *why* they need a new liver
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266

    Can be darkly amusing asking them about some of the more absurd Yellow Card reports.

    People need to be warned about the incidence of these:
    - Fetishism
    - Penile size reduction
    - Low Income
    - Flooding
    - Water pollution
    - Retirement
    - Soliloquy {now this one made me just stop for a moment]
    - Teething
    - Bed bug infestation
    - Spinal fracture
    - Verbal Abuse
    - Anal Sex
    - Kosher diet
    - Illiteracy
    - Job Dissatisfaction
    - Hair Injury
    - Tattoo
    - Homosexual Parent
    - Screaming
    - Hangover
    - Animal bite
    - Chlamydia

    ... and the rest.

    Because if they're taking everything in VAERS and the Yellow Card system as definitely causally connected, I'd be very interested at the way they get the causal link to these.
    This is uncharacteristically obtuse of you, Andy! The causal pathway is clear enough:

    Take vaccine -> don't die of Covid -> survive long enough for those things to happen

    A significant minority of the reporters would not have (been alive long enough to have) experienced those things if they had not got vaccinated :wink:
  • HYUFD said:

    The GFA only works with Protestant and Catholic consent, impose direct rule from Dublin alongside the Irish sea border and it will be ended from the Protestant side as much as a hard border in Ireland and direct rule from London over NI would end it from the Catholic side
    By 'ended' I assume you mean by Protestant terrorism. Whether that happens or not - and I am not sure either way whether it would - it won't change the basic geopolitical reality. The 6 Counties will formally be reunited with the rest of Ireland and a tiny minority of irreconcilables which make a name for themselves as extremists. The end result will still be the same - they will lose - just unfortunately with more avoidable deaths
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095

    If the Protestants lose a border poll then there are no Mulligans.

    The UK has already signed up to that.
    If the Protestants lose a border poll then Protestant Antrim would declare UDI rather than accept direct rule from Dublin with the full support of me and most of the Tory right.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,229
    Charles said:

    There’s a huge philosophical difference.

    Withholding treatment from ongoing alcoholics is because it undermines the likely success of the treatment. It means resources (ie a scarce liver) could be better used elsewhere. It makes no judgement on *why* they need a new liver
    It's not much withholding treatment, but prioritising limited resources.

    If there were infinite available livers, and infinite resources to transplant them, then the alcoholics would get a new liver..... As long as the clinical judgement of the doctor was that the transplant would be likely to work for them.....
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266
    HYUFD said:

    If the Protestants lose a border poll then Protestant Antrim would declare UDI rather than accept direct rule from Dublin with the full support of me and most of the Tory right.
    :lol: followed shortly after by :cry:
  • HYUFD said:

    No it would be right to declare UDI and I would fully support it if it had its wish to stay in the UK ignored.

    Hang on. You're the nutter who has spent months telling us how wrong the Catalans are to be pushing for peaceful independence and you are advocating an armed rebellion against what would be a lawfully agreed arrangement with the support of the majority of Northern Ireland? (It can't happen without that)
  • dixiedean said:

    A somewhat less ambitious Carson is reborn
    Less Edward, more Frank Carson.
    That's a cracker!

    Just to string together a couple of today's topics..

    'Carson spent three years in the British Army's Parachute Regiment, mainly in the Middle East in the late 1940s. During his service he shot dead an armed Zionist terrorist.'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095

    By 'ended' I assume you mean by Protestant terrorism. Whether that happens or not - and I am not sure either way whether it would - it won't change the basic geopolitical reality. The 6 Counties will formally be reunited with the rest of Ireland and a tiny minority of irreconcilables which make a name for themselves as extremists. The end result will still be the same - they will lose - just unfortunately with more avoidable deaths
    Already Loyalists are stepping up marches and protests and there have been attacks on customs officials over the Irish Sea border. Impose direct rule from Dublin on them too then yes loyalist paramilitaries would return to violence. Hence Antrim declaring UDI would be the best solution for all in that circumstance if a border poll voted for a United Ireland in the rest of NI.

    They would not lose either as they would have the majority of the Protestant Antrim population behind them
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited October 2021

    Hang on. You're the nutter who has spent months telling us how wrong the Catalans are to be pushing for peaceful independence and you are advocating an armed rebellion against what would be a lawfully agreed arrangement with the support of the majority of Northern Ireland? (It can't happen without that)
    There are of course separatist terrorist groups in Spain eg ETA too.

    However yes the Spanish constitution prevents a UDI declaration by Catalonia there is no constitutional block on an Antrim UDI. For if it left the UK after a NI border poll vote to leave the UK and declared UDI then the GFA and UK law would no longer apply to it and it would have declared UDI before Irish law could be imposed on it
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,229
    Selebian said:

    :lol: followed shortly after by :cry:
    Hmmm - might need a wading kit for the Covenanter tank.....
  • HYUFD said:

    Already Loyalists are stepping up marches and protests and there have been attacks on customs officials over the Irish Sea border. Impose direct rule from Dublin on them too then yes loyalist paramilitaries would return to violence. Hence Antrim declaring UDI would be the best solution for all in that circumstance if a border poll voted for a United Ireland in the rest of NI.

    They would not lose either as they would have the majority of the Protestant Antrim population behind them
    Aspiring Tory MP approves of terrorism!
  • Yes they are, and I have stated many times that I believe the government/SAGE is 'happy' with high cases because it is getting to the un-vaxxed. They are helping to reach HIT by recovering from infection.
    i.e. back to the old plan, same as the new plan.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509
    HYUFD said:

    If the Protestants lose a border poll then Protestant Antrim would declare UDI rather than accept direct rule from Dublin with the full support of me and most of the Tory right.
    Not this member of the right. Or many others that I know, many of whom would be happy to get rid of a province that almost put Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street in 2017, until they were heavily bribed not to.

    We will be a happier, wealthier and more United Kingdom once the festering boil that is Northern Ireland is removed.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    i.e. back to the old plan, same as the new plan.
    But with the big difference of the vaccines. We have transitioned from a CFR of 1-3% (? not sure) to one of about 0.3% so can now 'tolerate' much higher case numbers. And if you won't get the jab, you will get covid.
  • HYUFD said:

    Already Loyalists are stepping up marches and protests and there have been attacks on customs officials over the Irish Sea border. Impose direct rule from Dublin on them too then yes loyalist paramilitaries would return to violence. Hence Antrim declaring UDI would be the best solution for all in that circumstance if a border poll voted for a United Ireland in the rest of NI.

    They would not lose either as they would have the majority of the Protestant Antrim population behind them
    LOL.

    And if not then they would at least have the majority of Carrickfergus behind them.
    And if not then they would at least have the majority of Milebush behind them
    And if not they would at least have most of Oakland Crescent behind them
    And if not they would at least have Number 43 behind them.

    Well most of them. Grandpa is sound but Ma is a bit unsure.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited October 2021

    Aspiring Tory MP approves of terrorism!
    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter but a UDI would remove the need for any paramilitary violence over Dublin rule
  • Aspiring Tory MP approves of terrorism!
    Unless the terrorists are darkies in which case they should be prevented from being allowed to travel to Britain even if they are citizens which they shouldn't be anyway because they are jihadis by means of being muslim and from the wrong country (anywhere that isn't England).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Fishing said:

    Not this member of the right. Or many others that I know, many of whom would be happy to get rid of a province that almost put Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street in 2017, until they were heavily bribed not to.

    We will be a happier, wealthier and more United Kingdom once the festering boil that is Northern Ireland is removed.
    Wrong and of course without the DUP supporting May in 2017 Corbyn would have become PM.

    On current polls Boris could need the DUP too
  • An independent Antrim should be allowed to join the UK if Northern Ireland joins the Republic so long as homosexuality becomes mandatory for every adult in Antrim.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,229

    i.e. back to the old plan, same as the new plan.
    It's a different thing - an acceptance of the new reality.

    All that eternal lockdown (say) would achieve is to spread out the infections in the 10% or so who won't get vaccinated.

    I remember some people getting upset when I pointed out that, pre Delta, that we were very unlikely to reach herd immunity through vaccination. Unless we vaccinated everyone - including children. Post Delta that is even more true.
  • I do not expect - or think we will need - lockdown. What I expect / hope is that they encourage people to WFH where possible, social distance and wear masks when in crowded places. Just to keep a lid on it through the winter.
    That is the current Winter Plan B as I understood, with the additional tool of vaccine passports (which I'm much less happy about - the current definitions possibly include Universities and that's going to be *fun* to enforce).

    Anecdatum alert: we've had 1 confirmed case* here now in 4.5 weeks - and they didn't attend campus last year. I think its already done the rounds - the week after the Nov. lockdown started, reckon 20 % of our students reported having it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    But with the big difference of the vaccines. We have transitioned from a CFR of 1-3% (? not sure) to one of about 0.3% so can now 'tolerate' much higher case numbers. And if you won't get the jab, you will get covid.
    Even if you get it, we're all still probably going to get it. Just those people who have been vaccinated will suffer lesser or no symptoms.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    edited October 2021

    An independent Antrim should be allowed to join the UK if Northern Ireland joins the Republic so long as homosexuality becomes mandatory for every adult in Antrim.

    All of this does of course ignore the question of whether Ireland would actually want Ulster back given the North's rather heavy contingent of Neanderthal religious nutters.
  • But with the big difference of the vaccines. We have transitioned from a CFR of 1-3% (? not sure) to one of about 0.3% so can now 'tolerate' much higher case numbers. And if you won't get the jab, you will get covid.
    Yes.






    I think the interesting thing is that they're/we're really not comfortable with stating that this actually is part of the plan.
  • Absent a vaccine resistant variant a new lockdown would be a further terrible indictment of Boris Johnson's handling of Covid-19.

    So it won't happen (I suspect extra furlough would put the kibosh it.)

    Remember the PM is happy to let the bodies pile high.
  • All of this does of course ignore the question of whether Ireland would actually want Ulster back given the North's rather heavy contingent of religious nutters.
    It will be expensive too. Sharing that cost over 65m people is a lot, lot easier than over 5m.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,538

    Absent a vaccine resistant variant a new lockdown would be a further terrible indictment of Boris Johnson's handling of Covid-19.

    So it won't happen (I suspect extra furlough would put the kibosh it.)

    Remember the PM is happy to let the bodies pile high.

    So am I now.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    That is the current Winter Plan B as I understood, with the additional tool of vaccine passports (which I'm much less happy about - the current definitions possibly include Universities and that's going to be *fun* to enforce).

    Anecdatum alert: we've had 1 confirmed case* here now in 4.5 weeks - and they didn't attend campus last year. I think its already done the rounds - the week after the Nov. lockdown started, reckon 20 % of our students reported having it.
    We have one confirmed positive in our student cohort (about 16000 students). I simply do not believe that they are getting tested if they have symptoms. A colleague reports a tutee asking if he should attend a tutorial because he has the flu. My colleague told him to get tested for covid. Not sure of the outcome.
    The students don't want to get shut in for 10 days when they feel mostly fine, and are 'knee deep in clunge'*

    *See the Inbetweeners...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,229

    It will be expensive too. Sharing that cost over 65m people is a lot, lot easier than over 5m.
    The real issues for a United Ireland are -

    1) Integrating the Unionists into Dublin government. Trying the 1920s again won't work
    2) Social security differences. Note how many Irish people take advantage of the systems in NI, when they can.
    3) Abortion.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559

    Absent a vaccine resistant variant a new lockdown would be a further terrible indictment of Boris Johnson's handling of Covid-19.

    So it won't happen (I suspect extra furlough would put the kibosh it.)

    Remember the PM is happy to let the bodies pile high.

    More to the point, the MPs wouldn't let him.

    I wonder which of them will be the first to blame the unvaxxed for further restrictions even being muttered darkly.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    If we are only allowed to comment on opinions that we think are not only wrong but also impossible to understand then we'll be reduced to discussing why some people like Love Actually.
    The film does deliver a good debate as to which is the very worst scene. My submission would be where the bloke is stood on Keira Knightley's doorstep holding up a series of soppy, overwrought proclamations of love on placards. Is that a homage to Dylan? Possibly, but I don't care if it is. It's very bad.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592

    Absent a vaccine resistant variant a new lockdown would be a further terrible indictment of Boris Johnson's handling of Covid-19.

    So it won't happen (I suspect extra furlough would put the kibosh it.)

    Remember the PM is happy to let the bodies pile high.

    It's going to be quite a shock for lots of people when the ultimate endemic equilibrium for Covid ends up looking a lot like right now and they have tio climb off their horse and just get used to it.

    Flu has a 5 to 10% annual attack rate and delta is much more infectious, so the long term outcome here is still going to be millions of cases a year, and annual deaths in the low to mid tens of thousands.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,229
    kinabalu said:

    The film does deliver a good debate as to which is the very worst scene. My submission would be where the bloke is stood on Keira Knightley's doorstep holding up a series of soppy, overwrought proclamations of love on placards. Is that a homage to Dylan? Possibly, but I don't care if it is. It's very bad.
    It's an example of what I call the "Dubonnet Problem"

    Some people like drinking Dubonnet neat.

    Are they evil? stupid? wrong? different?

    I go with the last - not my bag, but it's a free country.
  • We have one confirmed positive in our student cohort (about 16000 students). I simply do not believe that they are getting tested if they have symptoms. A colleague reports a tutee asking if he should attend a tutorial because he has the flu. My colleague told him to get tested for covid. Not sure of the outcome.
    The students don't want to get shut in for 10 days when they feel mostly fine, and are 'knee deep in clunge'*

    *See the Inbetweeners...
    We are sticking with some strict rules here, as we have practical classes all day most days. If you have symptoms, do not attend. Get tested. Engage with the University track and trace, and the test result is followed up.

    So, the * was that we'd had a few more students with some covid-adjacent symptoms. All told not to attend practicals and get tested. All came back negative.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    edited October 2021

    We have one confirmed positive in our student cohort (about 16000 students). I simply do not believe that they are getting tested if they have symptoms. A colleague reports a tutee asking if he should attend a tutorial because he has the flu. My colleague told him to get tested for covid. Not sure of the outcome.
    The students don't want to get shut in for 10 days when they feel mostly fine, and are 'knee deep in clunge'*

    *See the Inbetweeners...
    I think @Stocky put it so well some months ago:

    We are in a situation where healthy people are trying to avoid other healthy people for fear that they will test positive for Covid.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    There was ethnic cleansing in 1948 Palestine just as there was in 1990s Yugoslavia. This should not be controversial.
    It's not "controversial" - it is outright untrue. Firstly, comparing it to 1990s Yugoslavia is totally inaccurate, because there are no documented cases of Palestinians being massacred in 1948. Secondly, most of the Palestinians who were left homeless, did so "voluntarily" - either because they were forcibly evicted from their villages by their own allies in the Arab League in advance of the Israeli declaration of independence to make the (assumed) forthcoming massacre of the Jews easier to accomplish, or because, having lost the resulting war, they were scared of Israeli reprisals.

    As Mr Thompson says, if the Israelis had done what the Palestinians feared they would, there wouldn't be a Palestinian refugee population today - those remaining in Gaza would have been forced into Egypt in 1948, and those in the West Bank into Jordan in 1967.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    kinabalu said:

    The film does deliver a good debate as to which is the very worst scene. My submission would be where the bloke is stood on Keira Knightley's doorstep holding up a series of soppy, overwrought proclamations of love on placards. Is that a homage to Dylan? Possibly, but I don't care if it is. It's very bad.
    The Wire - not watched.
    Love Actually - knows every scene.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,682
    edited October 2021
    TOPPING said:

    The Wire - not watched.
    Love Actually - knows every scene.
    I've watched The Wire and also know every scene from Love Actually (and Four Weddings And A Funeral).
  • kinabalu said:

    The film does deliver a good debate as to which is the very worst scene. My submission would be where the bloke is stood on Keira Knightley's doorstep holding up a series of soppy, overwrought proclamations of love on placards. Is that a homage to Dylan? Possibly, but I don't care if it is. It's very bad.
    Just shows how Boris can turn anything to gold. His parody of that scene has been described on here as the greatest political broadcast in human history!
  • Just shows how Boris can turn anything to gold. His parody of that scene has been described on here as the greatest political broadcast in human history!
    yeah, shame he went on to lose the election afterwards.

    PB Tories clap clap clap
    always wrong clap clap clap
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    edited October 2021
    kinabalu said:

    The film does deliver a good debate as to which is the very worst scene. My submission would be where the bloke is stood on Keira Knightley's doorstep holding up a series of soppy, overwrought proclamations of love on placards. Is that a homage to Dylan? Possibly, but I don't care if it is. It's very bad.
    but that scene was stolen for what I think was a very effective Conservative Party Political Broadcast for the last election.

    edit: Mr Dawning beat me to it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    edited October 2021

    The real issues for a United Ireland are -

    1) Integrating the Unionists into Dublin government. Trying the 1920s again won't work
    2) Social security differences. Note how many Irish people take advantage of the systems in NI, when they can.
    3) Abortion.
    Abortion isn't an issue now. It's legal on both sides of the border.

    Irish politicians recognise that the NHS is a stumbling block, which is why they are all formally committed to Sláintecare. Whether they can find the money to implement the plan and not mess up the implementation is an open question.

    My impression was that social security rates were more generous in the Republic now.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677
    IanB2 said:



    The remarkable thing about SeanT - for someone supposedly not a totally obscure writer of fiction - was his complete inability to adopt any alternative character with any credibility. Thus Eadric was supposedly a remainer, until he found that within just a few days such pretence proved impossible for him to maintain….

    All of his reincarnations have been blindingly obvious within moments.

    It's interesting (and I believe already known in AI research) that one can often recognise a person through non-linguistic clues to their style. How short are the paragraphs? Do they use CAPITALS? Do they have a lot of punctuation? In theory one can deliberately adopt a different style, but like changing handwriting it's quite hard to do convincingly.

    When I'm looking for a post which I noticed before, I can usually spot it before I focus on the words.

    A fun Christmas competition might be to challenge us each to write in the style of a different contributor.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    I've watched The Wire and also know every scene from Love Actually (and Four Weddings And A Funeral).
    Watched The Wire and not Love Actually = fine
    Watched The Wire and Love Actually = fine
    Watched Love Actually and not The Wire = bizarro.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812
    edited October 2021

    If the Protestants lose a border poll then there are no Mulligans.

    The UK has already signed up to that.
    Does signed up mean sticking to for you here then?
  • The real issues for a United Ireland are -

    1) Integrating the Unionists into Dublin government. Trying the 1920s again won't work
    2) Social security differences. Note how many Irish people take advantage of the systems in NI, when they can.
    3) Abortion.
    I thought North and South were pretty much aligned now on Abortion? The law was changed in the North in 2020 to allow terminations up to 12 weeks unconditionally and I believe that is the same in Eire from 2018 onwards.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Endillion said:

    It's not "controversial" - it is outright untrue. Firstly, comparing it to 1990s Yugoslavia is totally inaccurate, because there are no documented cases of Palestinians being massacred in 1948. Secondly, most of the Palestinians who were left homeless, did so "voluntarily" - either because they were forcibly evicted from their villages by their own allies in the Arab League in advance of the Israeli declaration of independence to make the (assumed) forthcoming massacre of the Jews easier to accomplish, or because, having lost the resulting war, they were scared of Israeli reprisals.

    As Mr Thompson says, if the Israelis had done what the Palestinians feared they would, there wouldn't be a Palestinian refugee population today - those remaining in Gaza would have been forced into Egypt in 1948, and those in the West Bank into Jordan in 1967.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
  • This arrived on my tablet.

    I absolutely have no time for the Express but this is shocking behaviour

    Piers Corbyn sparks outrage as anti-vax mob build GALLOWS outside Parliament

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1508999/piers-corbyn-news-anti-vax-protest-westminster-parliament-david-amess-1508999#ICID=Android_ExpressNewApp_AppShare
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    HYUFD said:

    No Antrim would declare UDI first and rightwingers like me would press the Tory leadership to push to keep Antrim in the UK too even if Nationalists won a border poll across NI as a whole.

    You could make a start by getting Epping Council to twin with Antrim.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    Just shows how Boris can turn anything to gold. His parody of that scene has been described on here as the greatest political broadcast in human history!
    Yes, I remember the whoops of utter delight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,682
    edited October 2021
    Oooh err.

    Breaking: Police have raided the offices of Mid and East Antrim Borough Council, sources tell @BelfastLiv.

    It was claimed computer equipment and documents were removed. A councillor says he saw several plain-clothes police officers in the building in Ballymena.

    PSNI: "Detectives from Criminal Investigation Branch visited an address earlier today at Bridge Street, Ballymena, as part of an investigation into suspected offences of Misconduct in Public Office and under the Freedom of Information Act 2000."


    https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1450835208400429057
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited October 2021

    I thought North and South were pretty much aligned now on Abortion? The law was changed in the North in 2020 to allow terminations up to 12 weeks unconditionally and I believe that is the same in Eire from 2018 onwards.
    Ironically opposition to abortion is one rare point of agreement between the DUP and Catholic church, so an independent socially conservative Antrim which banned abortion could also be a point of refuge for pro life Catholics who wanted to move from the increasingly secular Republic.

    Donegal is not that far away and was the only county in the Irish republic to vote against legalising abortion in the 2018 referendum
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,189
    kinabalu said:

    The film does deliver a good debate as to which is the very worst scene. My submission would be where the bloke is stood on Keira Knightley's doorstep holding up a series of soppy, overwrought proclamations of love on placards. Is that a homage to Dylan? Possibly, but I don't care if it is. It's very bad.
    Personally I would go for any and every scene that had Martine McCutcheon in it.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    edited October 2021

    Oooh err.

    Breaking: Police have raided the offices of Mid and East Antrim Borough Council, sources tell @BelfastLiv.

    It was claimed computer equipment and documents were removed. A councillor says he saw several plain-clothes police officers in the building in Ballymena.

    PSNI: "Detectives from Criminal Investigation Branch visited an address earlier today at Bridge Street, Ballymena, as part of an investigation into suspected offences of Misconduct in Public Office and under the Freedom of Information Act 2000."


    https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1450835208400429057

    they were watching PB and now have the UDI playbook.

    damn! beaten again.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
    Isn't that like using Bloody Sunday as a description of the whole of Op Banner?
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
    I did mean to say "during the 1948 war of Israeli independence", which Deir Yassin preceded by over a month. But technically, yes you are correct.

    However, you've inadvertently highlighted the weakness in your own argument - which is that the claim of ethnic cleansing has to pinned almost entirely on a single incident in which barely a hundred people died. More Israelis were killed that year in the Kfar Etzion massacre alone.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    I genuinely think you are unhinged.
    You have to be hinged before you can become unhinged. I don't think that applies here.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812
    TOPPING said:

    The Wire - not watched.
    Love Actually - knows every scene.
    I've explained that to everyone's satisfaction. I won't repeat myself.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The Dems have found a modest amount of spine and have sent contempt proceedings for Bannon to the House for a vote. GOP are going to vote No.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,189
    TOPPING said:

    Watched The Wire and not Love Actually = fine
    Watched The Wire and Love Actually = fine
    Watched Love Actually and not The Wire = bizarro.
    I will get around to the Wire one day. Honest.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    edited October 2021
    kinabalu said:

    I've explained that to everyone's satisfaction. I won't repeat myself.
    Dear god please don't.
  • HYUFD said:

    Ironically opposition to abortion is one rare point of agreement between the DUP and Catholic church, so an independent socially conservative Antrim which banned abortion could also be a point of refuge for pro life Catholics who wanted to move from the increasingly secular Republic.

    Donegal is not that far away and was the only county in the Irish republic to vote against legalising abortion in the 2018 referendum
    I would try to parody you but you do such a good job of it yourself it would be wasted.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    DavidL said:

    I will get around to the Wire one day. Honest.
    Naughty David.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited October 2021
    Farooq said:

    I don't think they'll be much appetite for associating with a place that has such extremist politics on stark display.

    Wait for it.

    On the other hand, the people of Epping Forest would probably go for it.
    Actually, the Antrim and Newtownabbey councillors are far more mixed politically than the Epping ones, certainly prima facie! Rather interesting.

    https://antrimandnewtownabbey.gov.uk/councillors/
  • TOPPING said:

    Watched The Wire and not Love Actually = fine
    Watched The Wire and Love Actually = fine
    Watched Love Actually and not The Wire = bizarro.
    Happy wife, happy life. That's my reason for watching Love Actually.

    Like David, I'll get around to The Wire one day.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dems are also butchering their Reconciliation bill with work requirements and cutoffs that are absolutely destroying it to meet Manchin and Sinema's vague demands
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    Just shows how Boris can turn anything to gold. His parody of that scene has been described on here as the greatest political broadcast in human history!
    Even though Boris stole it from the absolutely brilliant Rosena Allin-Khan:

    https://twitter.com/drrosena/status/1197884965444366337?lang=en
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    Happy wife, happy life. That's my reason for watching Love Actually.

    Like David, I'll get around to The Wire one day.
    Obviously if instructions come from On High then that changes everything.

    And tip for The Wire - turn on subtitles for the first few episodes.
  • Even though Boris stole it from the absolutely brilliant Rosena Allin-Khan:

    https://twitter.com/drrosena/status/1197884965444366337?lang=en
    Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    49,139 positive COVID cases and a further 179 deaths in the latest 24-hour period
  • kinabalu said:

    Does signed up mean sticking to for you here then?
    The UK is sticking to the NI Protocol.

    Article 16 is a valid part of the NI Protocol and as we've already established its conditions as written are quite clearly met.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Cyclefree said:

    A "ban on indoor gatherings". What the hell does this even mean? No socialising? Closure of restaurants, cafes, pubs, cinemas, theatres? Closure of shops?

    Just no.
    Thats not the plan B - Plan B is masks, WFH and vaccine passports for larger events/hospitality.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    If the Protestants lose a border poll then there are no Mulligans.

    The UK has already signed up to that.
    'Mulligans', please?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    Oooh err.

    Breaking: Police have raided the offices of Mid and East Antrim Borough Council, sources tell @BelfastLiv.

    It was claimed computer equipment and documents were removed. A councillor says he saw several plain-clothes police officers in the building in Ballymena.

    PSNI: "Detectives from Criminal Investigation Branch visited an address earlier today at Bridge Street, Ballymena, as part of an investigation into suspected offences of Misconduct in Public Office and under the Freedom of Information Act 2000."


    https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1450835208400429057

    Apparently they've already broadened their search to 16, Independence Road, Epping.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Apparently they've already broadened their search to 16, Independence Road, Epping.
    Still trying to get used to HYUFD as a Catalan-style independista asserting the supremacy of local voters over metropolitan constitutional law.
  • Carnyx said:

    'Mulligans', please?
    Do-over.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulligan_(games)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,856
    The European Parliament is suing the European Commission.

    @EP_President:
    EU states that violate the rule of law should not receive EU funds. We have a mechanism for this but the @EU_Commission is failing to use it.
    I have therefore asked our services to prepare a lawsuit against the Commission to ensure rules are enforced.


    https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1450823386553331719
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Do-over.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulligan_(games)
    Thank you. I could only think it must be some pub bombing I hadn't heard of! Heaven forfend we have any idiots trying to whip up the troubles again.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited October 2021
    jonny83 said:

    49,139 positive COVID cases and a further 179 deaths in the latest 24-hour period

    49k is not bad as Wednesday is normally the day that "by reporting date" numbers 'step up' if cases are increasing.

    EDIT: Although England 41k is not brilliant.

    DOUBLE-EDIT: Ah I see Wale s had a catchup day two days ago to artificially inflate the number so this 49k is a step up, just not a big one.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Alistair said:

    49k is not bad as Wednesday is normally the day that "by reporting date" numbers 'step up' if cases are increasing.
    Still seeing the SW effect too.
  • The European Parliament is suing the European Commission.

    @EP_President:
    EU states that violate the rule of law should not receive EU funds. We have a mechanism for this but the @EU_Commission is failing to use it.
    I have therefore asked our services to prepare a lawsuit against the Commission to ensure rules are enforced.


    https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1450823386553331719

    What a happy place
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,518
    Cyclefree said:

    A "ban on indoor gatherings". What the hell does this even mean? No socialising? Closure of restaurants, cafes, pubs, cinemas, theatres? Closure of shops?

    Just no.
    Some people just love to suck the joy out of life.
  • The European Parliament is suing the European Commission.

    @EP_President:
    EU states that violate the rule of law should not receive EU funds. We have a mechanism for this but the @EU_Commission is failing to use it.
    I have therefore asked our services to prepare a lawsuit against the Commission to ensure rules are enforced.


    https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1450823386553331719

    Good response. HYUFD would approve (of the wrong element of it): https://twitter.com/josepBallart/status/1450828864452714506
  • The European Parliament is suing the European Commission.

    @EP_President:
    EU states that violate the rule of law should not receive EU funds. We have a mechanism for this but the @EU_Commission is failing to use it.
    I have therefore asked our services to prepare a lawsuit against the Commission to ensure rules are enforced.


    https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1450823386553331719

    Meta
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,189

    The European Parliament is suing the European Commission.

    @EP_President:
    EU states that violate the rule of law should not receive EU funds. We have a mechanism for this but the @EU_Commission is failing to use it.
    I have therefore asked our services to prepare a lawsuit against the Commission to ensure rules are enforced.


    https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1450823386553331719

    Whilst I of course always fully endorse money being spent on lawyers that does strike me as a truly remarkable thing to do. Thank goodness we are not putting into the pot anymore.
  • Meta
    The EU is Facebook?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,483
    Mr. F, it'd be interesting to see polling on whether, if numbers stayed as they are currently, how many want lockdowns, to stay as now, or the Satanic tyranny of vaccine passports.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609
    Farooq said:

    I don't think they'll be much appetite for associating with a place that has such extremist politics on stark display.

    Wait for it.

    On the other hand, the people of Epping Forest would probably go for it.
    Basingstoke, however, did briefly have a DUP MP. (A Tory defector).
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,281
    edited October 2021

    The EU is Facebook?
    adj - (of a creative work) referring to itself or to the conventions of its genre; self-referential.

    It's definitely the EU referring to itself and the conventions of its genre.
  • adj - (of a creative work) referring to itself or to the conventions of its genre; self-referential.

    It's definitely the EU referring to itself and the conventions of its genre.
    I know the meaning of the word. I was joking after Facebook's "Metaverse" name announcement.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    The European Parliament is suing the European Commission.

    @EP_President:
    EU states that violate the rule of law should not receive EU funds. We have a mechanism for this but the @EU_Commission is failing to use it.
    I have therefore asked our services to prepare a lawsuit against the Commission to ensure rules are enforced.


    https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1450823386553331719

    Do we know which particular law braking and which funding they are referring to?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,229

    I thought North and South were pretty much aligned now on Abortion? The law was changed in the North in 2020 to allow terminations up to 12 weeks unconditionally and I believe that is the same in Eire from 2018 onwards.
    In the North, the UK government (via some charitable routes)... er... funds a quick trip to England after 12 weeks. Defacto 24 weeks...

    The DUP etc carefully manages not to see this.
  • I know the meaning of the word. I was joking after Facebook's "Metaverse" name announcement.
    I was going to post 'it could only happen in the new metaverse', but then I looked up what the metaverse was supposed to be. I got bored of it pretty quickly!
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