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They are using predictive AI algorithms and knew you what you were going to order before you did ...Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES4 -
Actually all of the NHS gets quality assessments, patient feedback, and yes, league tables on access (they are known as waiting lists everywhere else).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not quite. Here is what the BMA boss tweeted and that the Telegraph is responding to.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
No other part of NHS is subject to access league tables blaming them for workforce shortages, publicly shaming with patient feedback texts, & CQC hit squads blaming them for failing. If general practice was an employee, it would claim harassment, discrimination, victimisation
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You don't need a very sophisticated AI to work out that @Leon is going to be ordering alcohol.TimT said:
They are using predictive AI algorithms and knew you what you were going to order before you did ...Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES9 -
There’s half a dozen of these in every major city these days, all burning through massive amounts of VC cash hoping to be the one left standing, and able to charge genuine delivery prices - which of course very few people are going to want to pay.MaxPB said:
Nah, they're absolutely burning through cash. It's their startup funding to try and buy market share from Uber eats and getir, the latter of which is likely to also not do very well given the cash burn rate.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
Eventually, we’ll go back to either ordering a big delivery from the supermarket, or getting bread and milk urgently by sending an SMS to the corner shop, who doesn’t need an app platform or a marketing budget.1 -
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They used to use this model in Japan for medicine, they'd put a cabinet full in your house and you only had to pay for what you used.rcs1000 said:
Basically, we're talking hotel bars.williamglenn said:
I think they need to optimise by pre-delivering all the things you might want, so when you order your urgent item, they can just charge you £1.80 for a text message telling you to open the cupboard.rcs1000 said:
Good luck with 15 minute deliveries and more than two delivery locations per trip.Aslan said:
Not if they are delivering to a bunch of other people on the same route.rcs1000 said:
The thing is that going to Tesco Metro and back is 25 minutes of your time. That's 25 minutes of labour that you were previously expending, that someone else will have to to do, and they will have to be appropriately compensated.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/配置販売業0 -
Now the trick would be to develop a program that delivers whatever crap the merchant has not sold yet, but convinces the punter that is exactly what he or she ordered, and to sell this at a premium.rcs1000 said:
You don't need a very sophisticated AI to work out that @Leon is going to be ordering alcohol.TimT said:
They are using predictive AI algorithms and knew you what you were going to order before you did ...Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES3 -
Just to add, this gave Edo-era Japanese pharma insanely great data, they had a database showing them exactly what each household was suffering from at what times of the year.edmundintokyo said:
They used to use this model in Japan for medicine, they'd put a cabinet full in your house and you only had to pay for what you used.rcs1000 said:
Basically, we're talking hotel bars.williamglenn said:
I think they need to optimise by pre-delivering all the things you might want, so when you order your urgent item, they can just charge you £1.80 for a text message telling you to open the cupboard.rcs1000 said:
Good luck with 15 minute deliveries and more than two delivery locations per trip.Aslan said:
Not if they are delivering to a bunch of other people on the same route.rcs1000 said:
The thing is that going to Tesco Metro and back is 25 minutes of your time. That's 25 minutes of labour that you were previously expending, that someone else will have to to do, and they will have to be appropriately compensated.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/配置販売業3 -
Something new I learned this morning: Facebook has a “Director of Integrity”
Something I didn’t need to learn this morning: Facebook has a massive problem with dodgy content and moderation.
Something else I didn’t need to learn this morning. Companies love to talk about “AI”, when that’s not what they actually mean.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/18/0041258/new-internal-documents-contradict-facebooks-claims-that-ai-can-enforce-its-rules0 -
Am nominating myself to be PB's "Director of Depravity"!Sandpit said:Something new I learned this morning: Facebook has a “Director of Integrity”
Something I didn’t need to learn this morning: Facebook has a massive problem with dodgy content and moderation.
Something else I didn’t need to learn this morning. Companies love to talk about “AI”, when that’s not what they actually mean.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/18/0041258/new-internal-documents-contradict-facebooks-claims-that-ai-can-enforce-its-rules
However, if the election is contested, wouldn't our resident Flint Knapper enjoy pole position?1 -
One of the mods is something of an authority when it comes to stepmoms on pornhub.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Am nominating myself to be PB's "Directory of Depravity"!Sandpit said:Something new I learned this morning: Facebook has a “Director of Integrity”
Something I didn’t need to learn this morning: Facebook has a massive problem with dodgy content and moderation.
Something else I didn’t need to learn this morning. Companies love to talk about “AI”, when that’s not what they actually mean.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/18/0041258/new-internal-documents-contradict-facebooks-claims-that-ai-can-enforce-its-rules
However, if the election is contested, wouldn't our resident Flint Knapper enjoy pole position?2 -
The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.2
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I've got a shop across the road from me, one minute away. Limited range and a bit run down but amazingly convenient. No need to mess around with an app or wait around for a delivery, just walk across the road and get whatever I want.Sandpit said:
There’s half a dozen of these in every major city these days, all burning through massive amounts of VC cash hoping to be the one left standing, and able to charge genuine delivery prices - which of course very few people are going to want to pay.MaxPB said:
Nah, they're absolutely burning through cash. It's their startup funding to try and buy market share from Uber eats and getir, the latter of which is likely to also not do very well given the cash burn rate.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
Eventually, we’ll go back to either ordering a big delivery from the supermarket, or getting bread and milk urgently by sending an SMS to the corner shop, who doesn’t need an app platform or a marketing budget.
The thing is that the government have enacted planning reforms that will kill these shops, which have been in decline anyway for a long time. They think that at as long as there is another shop within 1km, there is no need for them, and they can be converted to poor quality housing - mostly a phenomenon in the south east.1 -
I've tried variants of this strategy over the years - always leads to a disproportionate increase in the rate of consumption.squareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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The trick is to store them in an annoying place. Preferably one that requires putting your coat on to retrieve.darkage said:
I've tried variants of this strategy over the years - always leads to a disproportionate increase in the rate of consumption.squareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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Doesn’t it just? I can make that strategy work for the dinner-party wines, the nice ones that are reserved for occasions and will earn an ear-bending if they disappear on a random Tuesday in front of Netflix. It doesn’t work with what might be called the ‘house drinks’ though, those stop being consumed when the cupboard is bare.darkage said:
I've tried variants of this strategy over the years - always leads to a disproportionate increase in the rate of consumption.squareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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Agreed. Just 2-3,000 bottles of your favorite wines and you are good for at least a couple of years.squareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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The sensible thing is to stop drinking alcohol all together. Cut down the risk a dementia and help you sleep bettersquareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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I just love the very different pieces of advice given by the Messrs Smithson above in consecutive posts. One advocating binge drinking the other teetotalism.9
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I've switched the colours round on the chart.1
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Ha ha, typical Guardian. Focussing on the real victims.tlg86 said:2 -
There is nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Indeed it does have health benefits.MikeSmithson said:
The sensible thing is to stop drinking alcohol all together. Cut down the risk a dementia and help you sleep bettersquareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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I wouldn’t know, I’ve never tried drinking inmoderation. I prefer alcohol.Taz said:
There is nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Indeed it does have health benefits.MikeSmithson said:
The sensible thing is to stop drinking alcohol all together. Cut down the risk a dementia and help you sleep bettersquareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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On www but not on the Vanilla header. Whether it matters...MikeSmithson said:I've switched the colours round on the chart.
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Ba-dum-fish !ydoethur said:
I wouldn’t know, I’ve never tried drinking inmoderation. I prefer alcohol.Taz said:
There is nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Indeed it does have health benefits.MikeSmithson said:
The sensible thing is to stop drinking alcohol all together. Cut down the risk a dementia and help you sleep bettersquareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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Ask the supermarket to keep them for you?moonshine said:
The trick is to store them in an annoying place. Preferably one that requires putting your coat on to retrieve.darkage said:
I've tried variants of this strategy over the years - always leads to a disproportionate increase in the rate of consumption.squareroot2 said:The sensible thing to do is to keep a stock of your favourite wines, it doesn't need to be massive and then the delivery and additional cost is irrelevant.
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One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?2 -
One thing before more details emerged was an MP saying mental health has got worse in recent years. I discussed that point with my other half and we agreed thatPhilip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
i. No it probably has not
ii. It can be a bit of a go to when these sorts of things happen.2 -
I also live in the quiet bits of Aberdeenshire, but thats not really the issue here.Farooq said:
Yeah, and honestly from my quiet corner of rural Aberdeenshire, I wouldn't swap. But things like this get me all excited and a part of me yearns to have anything even vaguely approaching that.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
Consider me low-key jealous.
All of these "delivery in 10 minutes" services will be gone within a year or two. They are preposterously unsustainable and there is literally no way to make money from them As long as VC money keeps flowing in they can operate. As soon as it stops they fold - OR impose the cost of operations on their customers and Sean stops ordering wine at TooLateO'Clock on a Sunday.
All the supermarkets know that people want a shop at the end of their garden that sells everything. Firstly with online delivery and now this madness they are trying to fulfil those desires. But in reality it loses everyone money, is massively disruptive to operations (having a horde of people hanging round your store then literally running round it when their phone buzzes GO) and feels a bit faddy.
If anyone feels like investing, stick your money in any of them trialling robots. There is almost no chance that this army of jobbers on bikes will be doing it long term, they are just human robots standing in to test a business model before actual robots take over. Various trials already happening of automated delivery bots, once they perfect the tech thats all these people working for all these cash-haemmoraging start-ups gone.1 -
Mental health issues do seem to have got worse; Muslims are not immune; even in this case, I'd predict they will be a crucial factor.Pulpstar said:
One thing before more details emerged was an MP saying mental health has got worse in recent years. I discussed that point with my other half and we agreed thatPhilip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
i. No it probably has not
ii. It can be a bit of a go to when these sorts of things happen.0 -
A man has been arrested in connection with a death threat being sent to Labour's Rhondda MP Chris Bryant. South Wales Police said a 76-year-old from Pontycymer, Bridgend county, was arrested on suspicion of malicious communications.
Officers were called at about 16:30 BST on 16 October after reports of malicious communications being sent. Mr Bryant said he got the death threat after calling for people to be kinder following Sir David Amess' death.
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In reality the theory is to find someone who *believes* you are doing that, IPO the business and head for the hills to count your lootMrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.1 -
Tipping isn't much of a thing for delivery in the UKSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Believe (based on grapevine & media reports) that many delivery-service drivers depend on tips, esp. as delivery companies have tendency to nickel & dime them (don't know UK equivalent!) on the apps, by deductions & other dodges?Alistair said:
It's subsidised by VC cash.Andy_JS said:
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
It is not remotely sustainable.
So I hear.0 -
Over 10 years ago now but I worked a second job delivering for Pizza Hut. Got minimum wage plus 60p per drop as using own car. Presume that second figure has gone up a lot since.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Believe (based on grapevine & media reports) that many delivery-service drivers depend on tips, esp. as delivery companies have tendency to nickel & dime them (don't know UK equivalent!) on the apps, by deductions & other dodges?Alistair said:
It's subsidised by VC cash.Andy_JS said:
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
It is not remotely sustainable.
So I hear.
We had a weekly chart of delivery times per driver and being competitive I topped it every week. But even then I never hit 5 per hour even including a few double orders. Delivery radius was approx 3 miles in west york. a smaller more densely populated area would see that rise.
As for tipping I doubt it averaged close to 50p per delivery. Most who paid online never tipped. Usual best to hope for was a cash order for 18.90 or 19.45 and they might say keep the change. So a 4 hour evening shift might see 16 drops but unlikely to get £5 in tips.2 -
Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?0 -
I tip the driver a quid (via the app). Although I use Deliveroo, lunch might well be delivered by someone wearing a Just Eats shirt and carrying an Ocado bag. Same with minicabs and Uber, I think. What that says about the business model I'm not sure but I suspect it does rather complicate moves to treat drivers as employees.Pulpstar said:
Tipping isn't much of a thing for delivery in the UKSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Believe (based on grapevine & media reports) that many delivery-service drivers depend on tips, esp. as delivery companies have tendency to nickel & dime them (don't know UK equivalent!) on the apps, by deductions & other dodges?Alistair said:
It's subsidised by VC cash.Andy_JS said:
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
It is not remotely sustainable.
So I hear.0 -
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.2 -
But what happened is that a lot of people who would previously have been in secure accommodation for their safety and ours are now receiving the completely misnamed "care in the community" which all too often means that they are isolated, neglected and not taking their meds when they should. So the risk to those with mental health issues, both for themselves and for those about them, has increased even if the incidence of actual illness hasn't.Pulpstar said:
One thing before more details emerged was an MP saying mental health has got worse in recent years. I discussed that point with my other half and we agreed thatPhilip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
i. No it probably has not
ii. It can be a bit of a go to when these sorts of things happen.1 -
London: British migrants could help plug a feared worker shortage under a deal being pursued by Trade Minister Dan Tehan as the Australian economy bounces back from the coronavirus pandemic.
A new free-trade agreement between Canberra and London, due to be finalised within days, will make it easier for people to live and work in both countries, but Tehan will seek extra visa changes over the coming months to lure even more Brits to the Australian workforce.....
Tehan told London business figures that Australia would be “willing to do more” than what the new trade agreement will offer on mobility, “because if we can’t have free exchange and movement of people between ourselves, then who can we have it with?”
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/dan-tehan-opens-door-to-british-workers-to-fill-pandemic-hole-20211017-p590li.html1 -
Apart from what's online? No.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Aren't we lucky Boris has signed us up for war with China in order to sell billions of dollars' worth of American submarines to Australia? Our cut being schadenfreude at annoying the French but no actual cash in return for facing this exciting new threat. And we thought it was only Russian hypersonic missiles we needed to worry about.0 -
I'd be interested to see the figures in the header chart split by voting intention. Because a lot of those saying Labour would do better are presumably not saying they would vote for them. Maybe Labour need to be asking them why and fixing this.0
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Agreed - apart from the robots.RochdalePioneers said:
I also live in the quiet bits of Aberdeenshire, but thats not really the issue here.Farooq said:
Yeah, and honestly from my quiet corner of rural Aberdeenshire, I wouldn't swap. But things like this get me all excited and a part of me yearns to have anything even vaguely approaching that.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
Consider me low-key jealous.
All of these "delivery in 10 minutes" services will be gone within a year or two. They are preposterously unsustainable and there is literally no way to make money from them As long as VC money keeps flowing in they can operate. As soon as it stops they fold - OR impose the cost of operations on their customers and Sean stops ordering wine at TooLateO'Clock on a Sunday.
All the supermarkets know that people want a shop at the end of their garden that sells everything. Firstly with online delivery and now this madness they are trying to fulfil those desires. But in reality it loses everyone money, is massively disruptive to operations (having a horde of people hanging round your store then literally running round it when their phone buzzes GO) and feels a bit faddy.
If anyone feels like investing, stick your money in any of them trialling robots. There is almost no chance that this army of jobbers on bikes will be doing it long term, they are just human robots standing in to test a business model before actual robots take over. Various trials already happening of automated delivery bots, once they perfect the tech thats all these people working for all these cash-haemmoraging start-ups gone.
There might be a few pilot schemes of robots at trade fairs, or in a single office block in the City, but there’s no way they’ll be on the streets until there’s no people on the streets. The issue isn’t the tech, it’s the idiotic people. Look at how many Western cities have abandoned scooter rentals, because drunk people think they belong in the canal or a skip. Asian markets may of course be different.0 -
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-hypersonic-missile-surprised-us-spies-with-its-space-capability-2021-10Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
It came from a NORAD report. The Americans don’t seem too happy about it, and are all but admitting the Chinese can now directly target the USA beyond the capability of their defence systems.0 -
Tories poll about 40% so whilst they get a Westminster majority it is not unexpected to see them behind in polls like this, especially if you add in government incompetence and a tendency to imagine the grass to be greener elsewhere. I don't think it translates well into the majority being at risk.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to see the figures in the header chart split by voting intention. Because a lot of those saying Labour would do better are presumably not saying they would vote for them. Maybe Labour need to be asking them why and fixing this.
1 -
Typical extremist failing to realise the purpose of a solid defence program is to prevent war in the first place. Not to need to fight it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Apart from what's online? No.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Aren't we lucky Boris has signed us up for war with China in order to sell billions of dollars' worth of American submarines to Australia? Our cut being schadenfreude at annoying the French but no actual cash in return for facing this exciting new threat. And we thought it was only Russian hypersonic missiles we needed to worry about.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.0 -
A few seconds on that page tears holes in what you posted. It says slice 2001 there have been around 100 deaths, so in the last 20 years, that’s 5 a year. So the average of 70 per year is hugely misleading for the last two decades, and should not be a comparator.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.0 -
These figures are somewhat distorted by Lockerbie but I must confess had I guessed the number of terrorist incidents without Google since 2018 I would have guessed a lot higher figure than that. I am not sure if this means that our huge and expensive security industry is being very successful or is simply disproportionate to the threat. What is clear is that the withdrawal from active duty in both Iraq and Afghanistan has had a significant impact.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.0 -
There are robot deliveries in Milton Keynes.Sandpit said:
Agreed - apart from the robots.RochdalePioneers said:
I also live in the quiet bits of Aberdeenshire, but thats not really the issue here.Farooq said:
Yeah, and honestly from my quiet corner of rural Aberdeenshire, I wouldn't swap. But things like this get me all excited and a part of me yearns to have anything even vaguely approaching that.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
Consider me low-key jealous.
All of these "delivery in 10 minutes" services will be gone within a year or two. They are preposterously unsustainable and there is literally no way to make money from them As long as VC money keeps flowing in they can operate. As soon as it stops they fold - OR impose the cost of operations on their customers and Sean stops ordering wine at TooLateO'Clock on a Sunday.
All the supermarkets know that people want a shop at the end of their garden that sells everything. Firstly with online delivery and now this madness they are trying to fulfil those desires. But in reality it loses everyone money, is massively disruptive to operations (having a horde of people hanging round your store then literally running round it when their phone buzzes GO) and feels a bit faddy.
If anyone feels like investing, stick your money in any of them trialling robots. There is almost no chance that this army of jobbers on bikes will be doing it long term, they are just human robots standing in to test a business model before actual robots take over. Various trials already happening of automated delivery bots, once they perfect the tech thats all these people working for all these cash-haemmoraging start-ups gone.
There might be a few pilot schemes of robots at trade fairs, or in a single office block in the City, but there’s no way they’ll be on the streets until there’s no people on the streets. The issue isn’t the tech, it’s the idiotic people. Look at how many Western cities have abandoned scooter rentals, because drunk people think they belong in the canal or a skip. Asian markets may of course be different.1 -
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.6 -
Are they trying to steal our HGV drivers?CarlottaVance said:London: British migrants could help plug a feared worker shortage under a deal being pursued by Trade Minister Dan Tehan as the Australian economy bounces back from the coronavirus pandemic.
A new free-trade agreement between Canberra and London, due to be finalised within days, will make it easier for people to live and work in both countries, but Tehan will seek extra visa changes over the coming months to lure even more Brits to the Australian workforce.....
Tehan told London business figures that Australia would be “willing to do more” than what the new trade agreement will offer on mobility, “because if we can’t have free exchange and movement of people between ourselves, then who can we have it with?”
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/dan-tehan-opens-door-to-british-workers-to-fill-pandemic-hole-20211017-p590li.html5 -
So maybe the UAPs are Chinese, not aliens?😀Sandpit said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-hypersonic-missile-surprised-us-spies-with-its-space-capability-2021-10Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
It came from a NORAD report. The Americans don’t seem too happy about it, and are all but admitting the Chinese can now directly target the USA beyond the capability of their defence systems.2 -
Why ever not? We should be proud as a country of reducing terrorist incidents over that time, not ever more afraid because of new forms of media and sharing.turbotubbs said:
A few seconds on that page tears holes in what you posted. It says slice 2001 there have been around 100 deaths, so in the last 20 years, that’s 5 a year. So the average of 70 per year is hugely misleading for the last two decades, and should not be a comparator.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.0 -
To some extent that is true but the terrorism today is less organised (more lone wolf) and therefore less able to be rationally dealt with or even negotiated with . You can power share in Ireland for instance but you cannot sit round a table with God or Allah or indeed is more extreme adherents and thrash out a solution.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.
Also Irish terrorism was less targeted at civilians than islamic terror is1 -
Ah yes, that appears to be going, err, swimmingly.noneoftheabove said:
There are robot deliveries in Milton Keynes.Sandpit said:
Agreed - apart from the robots.RochdalePioneers said:
I also live in the quiet bits of Aberdeenshire, but thats not really the issue here.Farooq said:
Yeah, and honestly from my quiet corner of rural Aberdeenshire, I wouldn't swap. But things like this get me all excited and a part of me yearns to have anything even vaguely approaching that.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
Consider me low-key jealous.
All of these "delivery in 10 minutes" services will be gone within a year or two. They are preposterously unsustainable and there is literally no way to make money from them As long as VC money keeps flowing in they can operate. As soon as it stops they fold - OR impose the cost of operations on their customers and Sean stops ordering wine at TooLateO'Clock on a Sunday.
All the supermarkets know that people want a shop at the end of their garden that sells everything. Firstly with online delivery and now this madness they are trying to fulfil those desires. But in reality it loses everyone money, is massively disruptive to operations (having a horde of people hanging round your store then literally running round it when their phone buzzes GO) and feels a bit faddy.
If anyone feels like investing, stick your money in any of them trialling robots. There is almost no chance that this army of jobbers on bikes will be doing it long term, they are just human robots standing in to test a business model before actual robots take over. Various trials already happening of automated delivery bots, once they perfect the tech thats all these people working for all these cash-haemmoraging start-ups gone.
There might be a few pilot schemes of robots at trade fairs, or in a single office block in the City, but there’s no way they’ll be on the streets until there’s no people on the streets. The issue isn’t the tech, it’s the idiotic people. Look at how many Western cities have abandoned scooter rentals, because drunk people think they belong in the canal or a skip. Asian markets may of course be different.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-536783761 -
Ah yes. Tories could be losing by 19 for NHS without any of their headline VI figure voting against.noneoftheabove said:
Tories poll about 40% so whilst they get a Westminster majority it is not unexpected to see them behind in polls like this, especially if you add in government incompetence and a tendency to imagine the grass to be greener elsewhere. I don't think it translates well into the majority being at risk.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to see the figures in the header chart split by voting intention. Because a lot of those saying Labour would do better are presumably not saying they would vote for them. Maybe Labour need to be asking them why and fixing this.
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The number of deaths per incident is falling as well as both on their own, so yes I think the security services are far more successful than the public give them credit for. We only see the "failures" not the preventions.DavidL said:
These figures are somewhat distorted by Lockerbie but I must confess had I guessed the number of terrorist incidents without Google since 2018 I would have guessed a lot higher figure than that. I am not sure if this means that our huge and expensive security industry is being very successful or is simply disproportionate to the threat. What is clear is that the withdrawal from active duty in both Iraq and Afghanistan has had a significant impact.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.1 -
Does this mean that their interceptors cannot work with hypersonic targets? If so they are a serious waste of money.Sandpit said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-hypersonic-missile-surprised-us-spies-with-its-space-capability-2021-10Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
It came from a NORAD report. The Americans don’t seem too happy about it, and are all but admitting the Chinese can now directly target the USA beyond the capability of their defence systems.0 -
No your sentiment about the progress made is fine, but use of the average is wrong for many reasons, not least the Good Friday agreement.noneoftheabove said:
Why ever not? We should be proud as a country of reducing terrorist incidents over that time, not ever more afraid because of new forms of media and sharing.turbotubbs said:
A few seconds on that page tears holes in what you posted. It says slice 2001 there have been around 100 deaths, so in the last 20 years, that’s 5 a year. So the average of 70 per year is hugely misleading for the last two decades, and should not be a comparator.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.0 -
Lets see how "joined up" the thinking is....
The chancellor needs to start talking about net zero and how he will manage the transition. The Treasury’s net zero review should explain the government’s estimates of the cost of the transition; who will bear the direct costs; how these will be shared between the taxpayer and consumers; and to what extent the Treasury will look to borrowing to meet its aims. It should also explain how the government proposes to protect those least well placed to bear the costs of transition. ...
The government needs to gain and maintain public consent for its approach to paying for net zero. It will be unable to stick to its desired approach if it becomes too controversial. It needs to roll the pitch in advance and work actively to maintain public consent, which means it needs to convince people it is being fair. So the Treasury needs to commit to proper public engagement in its net zero review – and take account of the conclusions from that engagement in its decision making.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/net-zero-tax.pdf2 -
Its one of the reasons why Brexit became so necessary in the end.Jonathan said:
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.
The delusional belief that Europe is the only continent that matters, and that we can shut away the rest of the world so long as we stop competing with each other in Europe has led to the failed attitudes that led to @DecrepitJohnL mocking us standing up to China - and to things like GDPR being taken as the way to deal with technology instead of innovation.
There's a reason "unicorns" come from the USA, China and the UK and we're right post-Brexit to go hunting for more unicorns and not sign up to levelling down Europe Only madness.0 -
They are reasonably good but not 100%state_go_away said:
Really work then dont they?williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
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Superb. Starship Technologies. Building a dream together of robot deliveries for all. Nothing's gonna stop them now. Except the canal.Sandpit said:
Ah yes, that appears to be going, err, swimmingly.noneoftheabove said:
There are robot deliveries in Milton Keynes.Sandpit said:
Agreed - apart from the robots.RochdalePioneers said:
I also live in the quiet bits of Aberdeenshire, but thats not really the issue here.Farooq said:
Yeah, and honestly from my quiet corner of rural Aberdeenshire, I wouldn't swap. But things like this get me all excited and a part of me yearns to have anything even vaguely approaching that.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
Consider me low-key jealous.
All of these "delivery in 10 minutes" services will be gone within a year or two. They are preposterously unsustainable and there is literally no way to make money from them As long as VC money keeps flowing in they can operate. As soon as it stops they fold - OR impose the cost of operations on their customers and Sean stops ordering wine at TooLateO'Clock on a Sunday.
All the supermarkets know that people want a shop at the end of their garden that sells everything. Firstly with online delivery and now this madness they are trying to fulfil those desires. But in reality it loses everyone money, is massively disruptive to operations (having a horde of people hanging round your store then literally running round it when their phone buzzes GO) and feels a bit faddy.
If anyone feels like investing, stick your money in any of them trialling robots. There is almost no chance that this army of jobbers on bikes will be doing it long term, they are just human robots standing in to test a business model before actual robots take over. Various trials already happening of automated delivery bots, once they perfect the tech thats all these people working for all these cash-haemmoraging start-ups gone.
There might be a few pilot schemes of robots at trade fairs, or in a single office block in the City, but there’s no way they’ll be on the streets until there’s no people on the streets. The issue isn’t the tech, it’s the idiotic people. Look at how many Western cities have abandoned scooter rentals, because drunk people think they belong in the canal or a skip. Asian markets may of course be different.
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You may choose a different baseline, but it is absurd to say mine is wrong. It broadly correlates with my lifetime so is relevant to me (and probably about the average person in the UKs lifetime). Also being on the easiest page to find such stats, using the whole list prevents me adding bias into the data by selecting what would be good or bad for my argument.turbotubbs said:
No your sentiment about the progress made is fine, but use of the average is wrong for many reasons, not least the Good Friday agreement.noneoftheabove said:
Why ever not? We should be proud as a country of reducing terrorist incidents over that time, not ever more afraid because of new forms of media and sharing.turbotubbs said:
A few seconds on that page tears holes in what you posted. It says slice 2001 there have been around 100 deaths, so in the last 20 years, that’s 5 a year. So the average of 70 per year is hugely misleading for the last two decades, and should not be a comparator.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.
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I think that complacent - its the easiest solution to anything bad - do a course or educate .At this level of seriousness they really need to prove they work - i have not seen any evidenceCharles said:
They are reasonably good but not 100%state_go_away said:
Really work then dont they?williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
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Almost all of the incidents I can recall since 7/7 have been lone wolf operations by individual nutters. By their nature the casualties of such operations tend to be low. It seems organised terrorism is very difficult to do in this country given the level of surveillance. Whilst this is obviously a good thing in most respects it suggests to me a pervasiveness of observation and a capacity that is just a little frightening.noneoftheabove said:
The number of deaths per incident is falling as well as both on their own, so yes I think the security services are far more successful than the public give them credit for. We only see the "failures" not the preventions.DavidL said:
These figures are somewhat distorted by Lockerbie but I must confess had I guessed the number of terrorist incidents without Google since 2018 I would have guessed a lot higher figure than that. I am not sure if this means that our huge and expensive security industry is being very successful or is simply disproportionate to the threat. What is clear is that the withdrawal from active duty in both Iraq and Afghanistan has had a significant impact.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.2 -
Not sure the political and economic fragmentation of Europe helps us much.Philip_Thompson said:
Its one of the reasons why Brexit became so necessary in the end.Jonathan said:
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.
The delusional belief that Europe is the only continent that matters, and that we can shut away the rest of the world so long as we stop competing with each other in Europe has led to the failed attitudes that led to @DecrepitJohnL mocking us standing up to China - and to things like GDPR being taken as the way to deal with technology instead of innovation.
There's a reason "unicorns" come from the USA, China and the UK and we're right post-Brexit to go hunting for more unicorns and not sign up to levelling down Europe Only madness.1 -
Mr. Sandpit, well, I guess that means there's a high chance that when the Chinese go for Taiwan there won't be a defence of it beyond the island itself.
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DavidL said:
Almost all of the incidents I can recall since 7/7 have been lone wolf operations by individual nutters. By their nature the casualties of such operations tend to be low. It seems organised terrorism is very difficult to do in this country given the level of surveillance. Whilst this is obviously a good thing in most respects it suggests to me a pervasiveness of observation and a capacity that is just a little frightening.noneoftheabove said:
The number of deaths per incident is falling as well as both on their own, so yes I think the security services are far more successful than the public give them credit for. We only see the "failures" not the preventions.DavidL said:
These figures are somewhat distorted by Lockerbie but I must confess had I guessed the number of terrorist incidents without Google since 2018 I would have guessed a lot higher figure than that. I am not sure if this means that our huge and expensive security industry is being very successful or is simply disproportionate to the threat. What is clear is that the withdrawal from active duty in both Iraq and Afghanistan has had a significant impact.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.
Also, explicitly between 1971 and 2001, just over 400 on the U.K. mainland, which suggests a massive skew by NI.noneoftheabove said:
You may choose a different baseline, but it is absurd to say mine is wrong. It broadly correlates with my lifetime so is relevant to me (and probably about the average person in the UKs lifetime). Also being on the easiest page to find such stats, using the whole list prevents me adding bias into the data by selecting what would be good or bad for my argument.turbotubbs said:
No your sentiment about the progress made is fine, but use of the average is wrong for many reasons, not least the Good Friday agreement.noneoftheabove said:
Why ever not? We should be proud as a country of reducing terrorist incidents over that time, not ever more afraid because of new forms of media and sharing.turbotubbs said:
A few seconds on that page tears holes in what you posted. It says slice 2001 there have been around 100 deaths, so in the last 20 years, that’s 5 a year. So the average of 70 per year is hugely misleading for the last two decades, and should not be a comparator.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.0 -
An interesting question. I would say that the answer is that we have just got used to the situation with islamic terrorism, and are basically in denial of the problem; as there seems to be no acceptable answer to it. So we can see the usual initial outrage being replaced by a 'wait and see until the full facts are established' type of procrastination; talk about mental health, looking for other completely irrelevant reasons (like trying to blame Angela Rayner), condemning all forms of hate and blaming white extremists, all the usual predictable stuff. Don't look back in anger, etc.Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
Remember this one: three gay men killed in a park last year. Killer heard shouting Allah Akhbal and it was accepted by the judge that he was acting to pursue an extremist cause. It all pretty much went by unnoticed: no one is talking about it now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54908222
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If it wakes us out of our slumber and encourages competition instead of seeing how we can eliminate competition by having "common standards" [that the Chinese etc don't sign up to] then I think it helps tremendously.Jonathan said:
Not sure the political and economic fragmentation of Europe helps us much.Philip_Thompson said:
Its one of the reasons why Brexit became so necessary in the end.Jonathan said:
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.
The delusional belief that Europe is the only continent that matters, and that we can shut away the rest of the world so long as we stop competing with each other in Europe has led to the failed attitudes that led to @DecrepitJohnL mocking us standing up to China - and to things like GDPR being taken as the way to deal with technology instead of innovation.
There's a reason "unicorns" come from the USA, China and the UK and we're right post-Brexit to go hunting for more unicorns and not sign up to levelling down Europe Only madness.1 -
Leon wants to know if they can deliver wine?Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?12 -
Well, the US certainly has a lot more capability than they would ever admit to, but the noises do sound rather concerned.DavidL said:
Does this mean that their interceptors cannot work with hypersonic targets? If so they are a serious waste of money.Sandpit said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-hypersonic-missile-surprised-us-spies-with-its-space-capability-2021-10Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
It came from a NORAD report. The Americans don’t seem too happy about it, and are all but admitting the Chinese can now directly target the USA beyond the capability of their defence systems.
Maybe they’re trying to politely tell China that if they try that again, the US will be watching for it and prepared to react.
That said, the suggestion is that this rocket could do several orbits before heading for the target with only a few minutes’ notice. I imagine that’s not easy to defend against, even with all systems armed and on alert.
Cold War II does seem a step closer with this revelation.2 -
I think my point is that recent years are in line with the last two decades. Maybe we are talking at cross purposes. I don’t recognise 100 terrorist deaths a year in the U.K. as a thing, but maybe I’m just blanking out the times before 2000, and living in England, not being as affected by NI.noneoftheabove said:
You may choose a different baseline, but it is absurd to say mine is wrong. It broadly correlates with my lifetime so is relevant to me (and probably about the average person in the UKs lifetime). Also being on the easiest page to find such stats, using the whole list prevents me adding bias into the data by selecting what would be good or bad for my argument.turbotubbs said:
No your sentiment about the progress made is fine, but use of the average is wrong for many reasons, not least the Good Friday agreement.noneoftheabove said:
Why ever not? We should be proud as a country of reducing terrorist incidents over that time, not ever more afraid because of new forms of media and sharing.turbotubbs said:
A few seconds on that page tears holes in what you posted. It says slice 2001 there have been around 100 deaths, so in the last 20 years, that’s 5 a year. So the average of 70 per year is hugely misleading for the last two decades, and should not be a comparator.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.0 -
Yes. The poor dears might meet sick people.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"2 -
50-something single man living alone in London orders mid-level wine at weekend… shocker!TimT said:
They are using predictive AI algorithms and knew you what you were going to order before you did ...Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES0 -
Change is coming, but it’s going to be a few years yet. Last couple of years have seen increased cohorts into medical schools, to finally increase the flow of new doctors. Supply and demand. The bma has kept training low for far too long.Charles said:
Yes. The poor dears might meet sick people.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
I understand people are still scared of Covid, that’s natural. But doctors I think need to understand that while e-consult, and phone triage will work great for many patients, it won’t for all, and they need to care for all.0 -
A moderately intelligent chimp could probably predict that.TimT said:
They are using predictive AI algorithms and knew you what you were going to order before you did ...Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES0 -
That is Matt-esque in bring this thread together.paulyork64 said:
Leon wants to know if they can deliver wine?Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?1 -
Maybe Matt lurks here and gets his ideas from the great and good of pb?DavidL said:
That is Matt-esque in bring this thread together.paulyork64 said:
Leon wants to know if they can deliver wine?Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?0 -
One interesting difference between the USA and the EU is that despite America actually being a single country there doesn't seem to be the same inclination to stop States from competing against each other.
Texas is quite happy to go out of its way to attract investment away from California.
Whenever a company like Tesla or Amazon are looking to build a new base of operations then cities and states basically whore themselves in an auction to see who can be most attractive for it.
The USA views competition as a healthy thing, the EU does not. That is why the USA is and the EU is not successful.
If post-Brexit the EU start to view themselves in competition with the UK [as they did in the vaccines debacle] then that might make life better for both Europeans and Brits in the end.
Competition makes us become the best versions of ourselves.1 -
We live in the UK so it is unfair to blank out NI. I have no connections there but if we just say oh thats different, lets not count it I think that was part of the reason it took so long to stop the troubles.turbotubbs said:
I think my point is that recent years are in line with the last two decades. Maybe we are talking at cross purposes. I don’t recognise 100 terrorist deaths a year in the U.K. as a thing, but maybe I’m just blanking out the times before 2000, and living in England, not being as affected by NI.noneoftheabove said:
You may choose a different baseline, but it is absurd to say mine is wrong. It broadly correlates with my lifetime so is relevant to me (and probably about the average person in the UKs lifetime). Also being on the easiest page to find such stats, using the whole list prevents me adding bias into the data by selecting what would be good or bad for my argument.turbotubbs said:
No your sentiment about the progress made is fine, but use of the average is wrong for many reasons, not least the Good Friday agreement.noneoftheabove said:
Why ever not? We should be proud as a country of reducing terrorist incidents over that time, not ever more afraid because of new forms of media and sharing.turbotubbs said:
A few seconds on that page tears holes in what you posted. It says slice 2001 there have been around 100 deaths, so in the last 20 years, that’s 5 a year. So the average of 70 per year is hugely misleading for the last two decades, and should not be a comparator.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.
Even since 2000 we have:
2000-2017: Incidents avg 58 Deaths avg 7.8
2017-2021: Incidents avg 2 Deaths avg 1.5
We should be less afraid of terrorism and more proud of our success in combatting it.2 -
I can’t help feel the CCP will be absolutely delighted to see us divided, endlessly arguing and fragmenting our economic and political capability to complete.Philip_Thompson said:
If it wakes us out of our slumber and encourages competition instead of seeing how we can eliminate competition by having "common standards" [that the Chinese etc don't sign up to] then I think it helps tremendously.Jonathan said:
Not sure the political and economic fragmentation of Europe helps us much.Philip_Thompson said:
Its one of the reasons why Brexit became so necessary in the end.Jonathan said:
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.
The delusional belief that Europe is the only continent that matters, and that we can shut away the rest of the world so long as we stop competing with each other in Europe has led to the failed attitudes that led to @DecrepitJohnL mocking us standing up to China - and to things like GDPR being taken as the way to deal with technology instead of innovation.
There's a reason "unicorns" come from the USA, China and the UK and we're right post-Brexit to go hunting for more unicorns and not sign up to levelling down Europe Only madness.2 -
Good morning everyone. Def. Autumn here today.Philip_Thompson said:
If it wakes us out of our slumber and encourages competition instead of seeing how we can eliminate competition by having "common standards" [that the Chinese etc don't sign up to] then I think it helps tremendously.Jonathan said:
Not sure the political and economic fragmentation of Europe helps us much.Philip_Thompson said:
Its one of the reasons why Brexit became so necessary in the end.Jonathan said:
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.
The delusional belief that Europe is the only continent that matters, and that we can shut away the rest of the world so long as we stop competing with each other in Europe has led to the failed attitudes that led to @DecrepitJohnL mocking us standing up to China - and to things like GDPR being taken as the way to deal with technology instead of innovation.
There's a reason "unicorns" come from the USA, China and the UK and we're right post-Brexit to go hunting for more unicorns and not sign up to levelling down Europe Only madness.
Mr T, surely the point about British-European unity is that we have a greater number of people to co-operate on an idea. You might argue that a country of 60 million will be, in some way, more 'nimble, intellectually, than one of 1.4 billion, but in the larger one there are more people to test one's ideas against.0 -
It might sound a little harsh to say it, in the aftermath of a terrorist attack against an MP, but an amount of terrorism is the price of liberal democracy.DavidL said:
Almost all of the incidents I can recall since 7/7 have been lone wolf operations by individual nutters. By their nature the casualties of such operations tend to be low. It seems organised terrorism is very difficult to do in this country given the level of surveillance. Whilst this is obviously a good thing in most respects it suggests to me a pervasiveness of observation and a capacity that is just a little frightening.noneoftheabove said:
The number of deaths per incident is falling as well as both on their own, so yes I think the security services are far more successful than the public give them credit for. We only see the "failures" not the preventions.DavidL said:
These figures are somewhat distorted by Lockerbie but I must confess had I guessed the number of terrorist incidents without Google since 2018 I would have guessed a lot higher figure than that. I am not sure if this means that our huge and expensive security industry is being very successful or is simply disproportionate to the threat. What is clear is that the withdrawal from active duty in both Iraq and Afghanistan has had a significant impact.noneoftheabove said:
"How bad things have gotten elsewhere?"Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
According to wiki the average number of terrorist incidents each year in the UK since 1970 is about 100 causing about 70 deaths.
In the last 4 years they have a total of 8 incidents causing 6 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Obviously recent events are tragic and depressing but perspective and rationality is needed as well. From the stats it is clear that terrorism is less of a problem than it has been for most of our lifetimes.
The UK security services are very good at what they do, but without pervasive surveillance of everyone, the occasional nutter is going to get through the net. Thankfully, in recent years, it’s just been the occasional nutter.1 -
But it's an employer, not employee.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not quite. Here is what the BMA boss tweeted and that the Telegraph is responding to.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
No other part of NHS is subject to access league tables blaming them for workforce shortages, publicly shaming with patient feedback texts, & CQC hit squads blaming them for failing. If general practice was an employee, it would claim harassment, discrimination, victimisation
https://twitter.com/CNagpaul/status/1449667564653748225
And a commissioner of healthcare into the bargain.
Why should it be viewed as 'an employee' ?0 -
Divided and endlessly arguing is the nature of the beast of the EU isn't it?Jonathan said:
I can’t help feel the CCP will be absolutely delighted to see us divided, endlessly arguing and fragmenting our economic and political capability to complete.Philip_Thompson said:
If it wakes us out of our slumber and encourages competition instead of seeing how we can eliminate competition by having "common standards" [that the Chinese etc don't sign up to] then I think it helps tremendously.Jonathan said:
Not sure the political and economic fragmentation of Europe helps us much.Philip_Thompson said:
Its one of the reasons why Brexit became so necessary in the end.Jonathan said:
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.
The delusional belief that Europe is the only continent that matters, and that we can shut away the rest of the world so long as we stop competing with each other in Europe has led to the failed attitudes that led to @DecrepitJohnL mocking us standing up to China - and to things like GDPR being taken as the way to deal with technology instead of innovation.
There's a reason "unicorns" come from the USA, China and the UK and we're right post-Brexit to go hunting for more unicorns and not sign up to levelling down Europe Only madness.
Worst of both worlds, too united to act competitively and individually, too divided to have a genuine single polity, single military and single foreign policy.
There is a reason why tiny Taiwan is able to be a serious player on the global stage economically and have a military that is offputting to China despite being Chinese ethnically and so very close to China geographically and that is because they competitively put the effort in to do so.
We're three times their size and you think we need to spend our time arguing in the Commission over the latest GDPR regulations instead of getting on and doing things?0 -
It's argued that H. sapiens ability to work together in reasonably large groups was a significant part of the reason for it's success vis-a-vis the Neanderthals, Denisovians etc.Philip_Thompson said:One interesting difference between the USA and the EU is that despite America actually being a single country there doesn't seem to be the same inclination to stop States from competing against each other.
Texas is quite happy to go out of its way to attract investment away from California.
Whenever a company like Tesla or Amazon are looking to build a new base of operations then cities and states basically whore themselves in an auction to see who can be most attractive for it.
The USA views competition as a healthy thing, the EU does not. That is why the USA is and the EU is not successful.
If post-Brexit the EU start to view themselves in competition with the UK [as they did in the vaccines debacle] then that might make life better for both Europeans and Brits in the end.
Competition makes us become the best versions of ourselves.1 -
Absolutely and 67 million people is a reasonably large group to be working with. Its possibly too large still.OldKingCole said:
It's argued that H. sapiens ability to work together in reasonably large groups was a significant part of the reason for it's success vis-a-vis the Neanderthals, Denisovians etc.Philip_Thompson said:One interesting difference between the USA and the EU is that despite America actually being a single country there doesn't seem to be the same inclination to stop States from competing against each other.
Texas is quite happy to go out of its way to attract investment away from California.
Whenever a company like Tesla or Amazon are looking to build a new base of operations then cities and states basically whore themselves in an auction to see who can be most attractive for it.
The USA views competition as a healthy thing, the EU does not. That is why the USA is and the EU is not successful.
If post-Brexit the EU start to view themselves in competition with the UK [as they did in the vaccines debacle] then that might make life better for both Europeans and Brits in the end.
Competition makes us become the best versions of ourselves.0 -
I concluded long ago that my GP was useless. This was after I went to see them about a hearing difficulty for my last in-person consultation and was told in a patronising but very insistent way that I needed to eat more fish. It turned out that the doctor thought I was someone else.turbotubbs said:
Change is coming, but it’s going to be a few years yet. Last couple of years have seen increased cohorts into medical schools, to finally increase the flow of new doctors. Supply and demand. The bma has kept training low for far too long.Charles said:
Yes. The poor dears might meet sick people.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
I understand people are still scared of Covid, that’s natural. But doctors I think need to understand that while e-consult, and phone triage will work great for many patients, it won’t for all, and they need to care for all.
Eventually when the found out what I was there for I was immediately referred to a consultant at the hospital, who I eventually saw 6 months later and who told me that there was nothing wrong with me and I was wasting his time.
The e -consultations system now in place is useful, in that I needed a sick note for work and the doctor was very happy to comply after 5 minutes on the phone; they offered to sign me off for 'up to 2 months' without any examination.
I think as someone said the other day, if it is really serious go to A and E. I get the feeling that the GP system has mostly become a very expensive type of social services.
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‘a country of 60 million will be, in some way, more nimble intellectually’OldKingCole said:
Good morning everyone. Def. Autumn here today.Philip_Thompson said:
If it wakes us out of our slumber and encourages competition instead of seeing how we can eliminate competition by having "common standards" [that the Chinese etc don't sign up to] then I think it helps tremendously.Jonathan said:
Not sure the political and economic fragmentation of Europe helps us much.Philip_Thompson said:
Its one of the reasons why Brexit became so necessary in the end.Jonathan said:
Sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but it isn’t.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Anecdote alert…
Last week I was working with a consultancy in China, helping us with some aspects of our business. What was interesting was a barely concealed contempt for European (inc U.K.) technology. China is a ‘digital economy’ (unlike Europe) and that things ‘move so much more slowly in the West’. Chinese customers have ‘far greater expectations’ than Europeans.
Whether true or not, the attitude is clear. We in the west are at the wrong end of another industrial revolution.
We should be concerned.
The delusional belief that Europe is the only continent that matters, and that we can shut away the rest of the world so long as we stop competing with each other in Europe has led to the failed attitudes that led to @DecrepitJohnL mocking us standing up to China - and to things like GDPR being taken as the way to deal with technology instead of innovation.
There's a reason "unicorns" come from the USA, China and the UK and we're right post-Brexit to go hunting for more unicorns and not sign up to levelling down Europe Only madness.
Mr T, surely the point about British-European unity is that we have a greater number of people to co-operate on an idea. You might argue that a country of 60 million will be, in some way, more 'nimble, intellectually, than one of 1.4 billion, but in the larger one there are more people to test one's ideas against.
Raab came on the radio while I was reading your post, somewhat diminishing that hypothesis.0 -
I have had a number of interesting discussions with NHS doctors - the ones who have worked exclusively for the NHS have an interesting perspective, to say the least. The short version is that the NHS is, by modern middle class employment standards, a terrible employer.Nigelb said:
But it's an employer, not employee.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not quite. Here is what the BMA boss tweeted and that the Telegraph is responding to.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
No other part of NHS is subject to access league tables blaming them for workforce shortages, publicly shaming with patient feedback texts, & CQC hit squads blaming them for failing. If general practice was an employee, it would claim harassment, discrimination, victimisation
https://twitter.com/CNagpaul/status/1449667564653748225
And a commissioner of healthcare into the bargain.
Why should it be viewed as 'an employee' ?
Hmmm... is the NHS on Glassdoor?1 -
Careful; you'll wake Malc!Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely and 67 million people is a reasonably large group to be working with. Its possibly too large still.OldKingCole said:
It's argued that H. sapiens ability to work together in reasonably large groups was a significant part of the reason for it's success vis-a-vis the Neanderthals, Denisovians etc.Philip_Thompson said:One interesting difference between the USA and the EU is that despite America actually being a single country there doesn't seem to be the same inclination to stop States from competing against each other.
Texas is quite happy to go out of its way to attract investment away from California.
Whenever a company like Tesla or Amazon are looking to build a new base of operations then cities and states basically whore themselves in an auction to see who can be most attractive for it.
The USA views competition as a healthy thing, the EU does not. That is why the USA is and the EU is not successful.
If post-Brexit the EU start to view themselves in competition with the UK [as they did in the vaccines debacle] then that might make life better for both Europeans and Brits in the end.
Competition makes us become the best versions of ourselves.
You were commenting elsewhere that in the US individual States seemed to compete for investment; I've always envisaged a similar sort of set up in North and Western Europe, which has more of a common heritage (except for the fact that Dad or Grandad upped sticks to cross the Atlantic) than the USA.0 -
The EU however, regards the end result of the American scheme (unaffordable subsidies, tax incentives and grants) as things that should be limited rather than used in a race to the bottom when it's known most subsidy seeking firms will walk away the moment the subsidy has been used and on to the next foolish state.Philip_Thompson said:One interesting difference between the USA and the EU is that despite America actually being a single country there doesn't seem to be the same inclination to stop States from competing against each other.
Texas is quite happy to go out of its way to attract investment away from California.
Whenever a company like Tesla or Amazon are looking to build a new base of operations then cities and states basically whore themselves in an auction to see who can be most attractive for it.
The USA views competition as a healthy thing, the EU does not. That is why the USA is and the EU is not successful.
If post-Brexit the EU start to view themselves in competition with the UK [as they did in the vaccines debacle] then that might make life better for both Europeans and Brits in the end.
Competition makes us become the best versions of ourselves.0 -
A well observed post. I think most people here did not jump to any conclusions. A couple seemed hell bent on making a political issue out of it by the scum reference to which most across the political spectrum here rejected as inappropriate at that moment. Another linked to Islam.Philip_Thompson said:One thing I just thought about with the killing of David Amess is a few years ago we would have guessed straight away that it might have been Islamic terror.
Whether its because of the lack of initial reports of the attacker saying "Allahu Akhbar" or for other reasons, that didn't enter the conversation until after the attacker was identified this time. Instead people talking about things like 'politicians being called scum' etc which while bad likely had absolutely no impact on this attack since it had entirely different motives.
I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing that it wasn't the first thought we went to. Whether its a sign of progress in combatting Islamic terror, or a sign of how bad things have gotten elsewhere?
The rest of us were just sad at the event with no prejudgement.
Difficult to know if things have got better or there are more threats.5 -
Yes and that is the trial I had in mind when I said robots. Lets be clear this absolutely isn't going to work everywhere. But neither is an army of minimum wage slaves on bikes stood waiting at the 24 hour supermarket / takeaway for Sean to get the munchies.noneoftheabove said:
There are robot deliveries in Milton Keynes.Sandpit said:
Agreed - apart from the robots.RochdalePioneers said:
I also live in the quiet bits of Aberdeenshire, but thats not really the issue here.Farooq said:
Yeah, and honestly from my quiet corner of rural Aberdeenshire, I wouldn't swap. But things like this get me all excited and a part of me yearns to have anything even vaguely approaching that.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
Consider me low-key jealous.
All of these "delivery in 10 minutes" services will be gone within a year or two. They are preposterously unsustainable and there is literally no way to make money from them As long as VC money keeps flowing in they can operate. As soon as it stops they fold - OR impose the cost of operations on their customers and Sean stops ordering wine at TooLateO'Clock on a Sunday.
All the supermarkets know that people want a shop at the end of their garden that sells everything. Firstly with online delivery and now this madness they are trying to fulfil those desires. But in reality it loses everyone money, is massively disruptive to operations (having a horde of people hanging round your store then literally running round it when their phone buzzes GO) and feels a bit faddy.
If anyone feels like investing, stick your money in any of them trialling robots. There is almost no chance that this army of jobbers on bikes will be doing it long term, they are just human robots standing in to test a business model before actual robots take over. Various trials already happening of automated delivery bots, once they perfect the tech thats all these people working for all these cash-haemmoraging start-ups gone.
There might be a few pilot schemes of robots at trade fairs, or in a single office block in the City, but there’s no way they’ll be on the streets until there’s no people on the streets. The issue isn’t the tech, it’s the idiotic people. Look at how many Western cities have abandoned scooter rentals, because drunk people think they belong in the canal or a skip. Asian markets may of course be different.
This is going to sound like heresy to some of you. But moving out to the sticks means you have to plan a shop. Like we always used to do. We have a village McColls where you can exchange an arm for last minute products. For anything else its a trip down into the Broch (24 mile round trip) or Costco in Aberdeen (90 mile round trip). You spend less money with a planned shop than when you can anything any time.0 -
Have Twitter got it right that the "great deal but doesn't come into effect for 15 years" Australia deal is in fact not yet agreed and negotiations are to be reopened?0
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The issue is the “service charge”Pulpstar said:
Ppt p pop p popSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Believe (based on grapevine & media reports) that many delivery-service drivers depend on tips, esp. as delivery companies have tendency to nickel & dime them (don't know UK equivalent!) on the apps, by deductions & other dodges?Alistair said:
It's subsidised by VC cash.Andy_JS said:
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
It is not remotely sustainable.
So I hear.
Tipping isn't much of a thing for delivery in the UK
Food price - ok
Delivery charge - ok
Service charge - if that’s not the tip then why isn’t it part of the delivery charge?
Tip - I’ve just paid a service charge?1 -
More detailed Forbes report on the Chinese rocket test:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/10/16/report-china-has-tested-a-nuke-that-can-dodge-american-radars/?sh=5398144350c01 -
We need to worry about China despite AUKIS not because of AUKUSDecrepiterJohnL said:
Apart from what's online? No.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Anyone seen anything about the Chinese hypersonic missile?
Aren't we lucky Boris has signed us up for war with China in order to sell billions of dollars' worth of American submarines to Australia? Our cut being schadenfreude at annoying the French but no actual cash in return for facing this exciting new threat. And we thought it was only Russian hypersonic missiles we needed to worry about.1
