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At 20% both Trump and Biden are value in the WH2024 betting – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited October 13 in General
imageAt 20% both Trump and Biden are value in the WH2024 betting – politicalbetting.com

You might have to lock your cash up for just over three years but you could at current prices go into the November 2024 White House election with bets on the two main contenders at odds of 20% each.

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  • AslanAslan Posts: 718
    Both are value but Trump is clearly unhealthier than Biden. He is obese, has a terrible diet by all accounts and clearly doesn't exercise.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,698
    Don't want to seem picky but is 20% a standard way of stating odds unless you add "implied probability"? Is it even right? BE has B and T at 4.8 and 5 respectively, I thought 20% was equivalent to 6?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,720
    IshmaelZ said:

    Don't want to seem picky but is 20% a standard way of stating odds unless you add "implied probability"? Is it even right? BE has B and T at 4.8 and 5 respectively, I thought 20% was equivalent to 6?

    If these are Betfair prices, then 5 is 4/1 or 20 per cent.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,508
    Don’t fancy it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,179
    IanB2 said:

    Don’t fancy it.

    The combination, or the bet?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,720
    OT More than 24 hours after a mysterious foreign body in the eye and my vision is gradually returning to normal but it is not making it easier to patch everything in sight after Microsoft Patch Tuesday (yesterday) and new iOS updates from Apple.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    IanB2 said:

    Don’t fancy it.

    Me neither. 3 years is a long time at this age.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    None of the above.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    edited October 13
    Great headline in this logistics trade journal. Has TSE been moonlighting?

    https://theloadstar.com/its-all-going-tits-up-at-uk-box-ports-and-despite-what-boris-says-we-cant-fix-it/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,720
    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,282
    I struggle to see it as 20% that Biden runs again, let alone that he wins again.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,720
    Foxy said:

    Great headline in this logistics trade journal. Has TSE been moonlighting?

    https://theloadstar.com/its-all-going-tits-up-at-uk-box-ports-and-despite-what-boris-says-we-cant-fix-it/

    Did @ydoethur choose the name Loadstar?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,179

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Cue jokes about a return to normal service being where they don’t see anyone because they can’t be arsed.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
  • Foxy said:

    Great headline in this logistics trade journal. Has TSE been moonlighting?

    https://theloadstar.com/its-all-going-tits-up-at-uk-box-ports-and-despite-what-boris-says-we-cant-fix-it/

    Meanwhile prime minister Boris Johnson yesterday denied there was a crisis, but also said that the UK’s “world leading” logistics industry could fix it.

    But one UK forwarder said the prime minster was “deranged”.

    “Bob the builder, I am not,” he added.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654
    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,255

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Let's face it, crashing a lorry in the current circumstances and proving himself unfit for duty as an HGV driver is the most effective opposition we have seen from him this year.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    Reading through yesterday’s threads, good to see a mostly apolitical response with regard to the select committee report into the pandemic handling.

    A few of the usual partisan jibes, and plenty of MSM trying to politisise it, but these enquiries really do need to be about understanding the processes that led to decisions, rather than trying to hold individuals accountable for anything other than egregious breaches of procedure.

    Every country needs to learn their own lessons of the pandemic, in the same way as we learn from transport accident reports. Look globally at what worked (vaccines!) and what didn’t (PPE production and logistics, scale up of testing!), and invest now in planning for the next such event.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,423

    I struggle to see it as 20% that Biden runs again, let alone that he wins again.

    You're wrong
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Because he's being advised by the same people who told him to do a photo op in a carpet store.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,965

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,255
    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,766
    Where’s Boris?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    Sandpit said:

    Reading through yesterday’s threads, good to see a mostly apolitical response with regard to the select committee report into the pandemic handling.

    A few of the usual partisan jibes, and plenty of MSM trying to politisise it, but these enquiries really do need to be about understanding the processes that led to decisions, rather than trying to hold individuals accountable for anything other than egregious breaches of procedure.

    Every country needs to learn their own lessons of the pandemic, in the same way as we learn from transport accident reports. Look globally at what worked (vaccines!) and what didn’t (PPE production and logistics, scale up of testing!), and invest now in planning for the next such event.

    To be completely honest, I would rather we focused on sorting out care homes or logistics right now, than spend a lot of senior government resource learning lessons from a global pandemic. This kind of event happens on average once a century or so, so any lessons learnt are likely to be long forgotten by the time it happens, and each event is distinctive so there is a danger of fighting the previous pandemic rather than the new one anyway.
    That’s true, certainly the majority of the resources of government are best deployed looking at today’s crisis, rather than yesterday’s.

    It is important to analyse how we could have done better in the pandemic though, it’s clear with hindsight that a lot of assumptions, about human behaviour rather than the virus itself, turned out to be incorrect. The next national emergency will probably not be another pandemic, but there will be plans we could update significantly with what we’ve learned in the past 20 months. Let’s not forget that an awful lot of people died, many lives were turned upside-down, and something like £600bn of public money has been spent. A formal public enquiry is definitely required, with a wide remit to look at how things happened and what might have been done differently.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    DavidL said:

    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.

    Though that article reports that July has been revised down from +0.1% to -0.1%
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,720
    edited October 13

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Did you miss the last thread? It headlined Labour's poor polling and discussed the allegory of Starmer crashing after declining advice to turn left.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    Zack Goldsmiths villa in Spain.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    I think people are entitled to time off work these days.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,255
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    That was my immediate thought too. It tends to suggest to me that there is some particular reason why the insurers are not willing to cover those doctors anymore which really must be some sort of clinical issue, despite their statement.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,766
    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,255
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.

    Though that article reports that July has been revised down from +0.1% to -0.1%
    True, but we are still on target to get to 2019 GDP levels by the end of the year.
  • eekeek Posts: 15,794
    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    First time since May...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    Oh. So definitely a ‘story’ behind the closure then.

    Is there a difference between medical malpractice insurance, and the sort of public liability insurance that covers someone tripping over a step and losing income because they’re off work for a month?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    How many weeks off do you think people should be allowed? I thought the legal minimum was about five.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.

    Though that article reports that July has been revised down from +0.1% to -0.1%
    True, but we are still on target to get to 2019 GDP levels by the end of the year.
    Do you not anticipate that the Labour shortages and logistics logjam are going to be a drag on growth?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    edited October 13
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    Oh. So definitely a ‘story’ behind the closure then.

    Is there a difference between medical malpractice insurance, and the sort of public liability insurance that covers someone tripping over a step and losing income because they’re off work for a month?
    The Resolution scheme covers everyone in the Practice doing NHS work, so not just medical negligence. Buildings insurance isn't hard to fix for public liability though, and if there was a specific issue with one building, why close all 4?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,255
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.

    Though that article reports that July has been revised down from +0.1% to -0.1%
    True, but we are still on target to get to 2019 GDP levels by the end of the year.
    Do you not anticipate that the Labour shortages and logistics logjam are going to be a drag on growth?
    Yes, but growth is measured against the previous year base and these problems will be less than we were having last year so growth will seem pretty strong this year. If we can sort out the logistics in particular (and we are far from alone in that) I think that will also mean that next year will be better than this giving us quite high growth then too. After that it may get a bit trickier.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,880
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    How many weeks off do you think people should be allowed? I thought the legal minimum was about five.
    Five including bank holidays
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,255

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    How many weeks off do you think people should be allowed? I thought the legal minimum was about five.
    Five including bank holidays
    The idea that you still get paid when not working is really quite remarkable when you think about it. Doesn't apply to me of course.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.

    Though that article reports that July has been revised down from +0.1% to -0.1%
    True, but we are still on target to get to 2019 GDP levels by the end of the year.
    Do you not anticipate that the Labour shortages and logistics logjam are going to be a drag on growth?
    Yes, but growth is measured against the previous year base and these problems will be less than we were having last year so growth will seem pretty strong this year. If we can sort out the logistics in particular (and we are far from alone in that) I think that will also mean that next year will be better than this giving us quite high growth then too. After that it may get a bit trickier.
    Yes, this year's figures include a lot of bounce back, so hard to make sense of.

    Falling consumer confidence and PMIs don't look great though for major growth, and we do have quite a bit of fiscal tightening being dished up shortly.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,894
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    That was my immediate thought too. It tends to suggest to me that there is some particular reason why the insurers are not willing to cover those doctors anymore which really must be some sort of clinical issue, despite their statement.
    It also sounds like it’s capacity - so may be one doctor and they can’t find a locum?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
    Well it induced you to comment.. . Some of the people on here are so one eyed, it does no harm to point out that a lot of the criticism is pure bile and based on ideological loathing rather than substantive criticism.

    It does no harm to point out that Starmer is ffing useless and leading an utterly divided party. Didn't he have a real car crash recently as well as the political ones.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,282
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.

    Though that article reports that July has been revised down from +0.1% to -0.1%
    True, but we are still on target to get to 2019 GDP levels by the end of the year.
    Do you not anticipate that the Labour shortages and logistics logjam are going to be a drag on growth?
    I suspect that switches cause and effect around, they're a symptom of high growth. They're growing pains.

    If we weren't growing, there'd be unemployment instead.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,967
    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,766
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    How many weeks off do you think people should be allowed? I thought the legal minimum was about five.
    If only leave could be taken as a holiday rather than stuff like child care cover. I’m concerned for Boris, he must be drained from that time away at chequers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
    Well it induced you to comment.. . Some of the people on here are so one eyed, it does no harm to point out that a lot of the criticism is pure bile and based on ideological loathing rather than substantive criticism.

    It does no harm to point out that Starmer is ffing useless and leading an utterly divided party. Didn't he have a real car crash recently as well as the political ones.
    Is there a Starmer supporter on here? Even the loyalists have him as uninspiring, dull and wooden, albeit worthy, and the harshest vitriol comes from the few Corbynites.

    It's not as if PB is a hymn of praise for the LOTO!



  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    That was my immediate thought too. It tends to suggest to me that there is some particular reason why the insurers are not willing to cover those doctors anymore which really must be some sort of clinical issue, despite their statement.
    It also sounds like it’s capacity - so may be one doctor and they can’t find a locum?
    In which case, their public statement about the closure being insurance-related is, erm, untrue.

    Watching from afar, one gets the impression that a number of GP practices are taking the piss, and appear to be very difficult to hold to account.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,965

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
    Well it induced you to comment.. . Some of the people on here are so one eyed, it does no harm to point out that a lot of the criticism is pure bile and based on ideological loathing rather than substantive criticism.

    It does no harm to point out that Starmer is ffing useless and leading an utterly divided party. Didn't he have a real car crash recently as well as the political ones.
    Pots and kettles and all that. Sure you have no bile or ideological loathing of Starmer, and it is all substantive criticism, like how good a driver he is.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654
    edited October 13
    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    Tea
    Foxy said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
    Well it induced you to comment.. . Some of the people on here are so one eyed, it does no harm to point out that a lot of the criticism is pure bile and based on ideological loathing rather than substantive criticism.

    It does no harm to point out that Starmer is ffing useless and leading an utterly divided party. Didn't he have a real car crash recently as well as the political ones.
    Is there a Starmer supporter on here? Even the loyalists have him as uninspiring, dull and wooden, albeit worthy, and the harshest vitriol comes from the few Corbynites.

    It's not as if PB is a hymn of praise for the LOTO!



    That's because they are too busy spitting bile about Boris.
  • eekeek Posts: 15,794

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    How many weeks off do you think people should be allowed? I thought the legal minimum was about five.
    Five including bank holidays
    Legal minimum is 28 days including bank holidays or 4 weeks plus bank holidays

    Whether you get a 29th day off next year for the Jubilee would depend on the exact terms of your contract as it isn't automatic.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,766
    When you work at the high octane pace of Boris, you need multiple luxury subsidised holidays.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Economy still recovering fast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58894904

    I suspect that those IMF projections reported in the FT today will look silly more quickly than normal.

    Though that article reports that July has been revised down from +0.1% to -0.1%
    True, but we are still on target to get to 2019 GDP levels by the end of the year.
    Do you not anticipate that the Labour shortages and logistics logjam are going to be a drag on growth?
    Yes, but growth is measured against the previous year base and these problems will be less than we were having last year so growth will seem pretty strong this year. If we can sort out the logistics in particular (and we are far from alone in that) I think that will also mean that next year will be better than this giving us quite high growth then too. After that it may get a bit trickier.
    The logistics issues will likely spread the bounce-back over a longer period, rather than substantially reduce the size of it.

    There will be some losses on ‘seasonal’ goods not arriving on time, and companies with manufacturing issues on things like cars and computers are going to recover more slowly (I still can’t get a PS5, grr!).

    Once the pent-up demand has worked through, we could be looking at a couple of years of flat growth at best - which is why I’d be betting on a 2023 election rather than 2024. Likely late ‘23, once the new boundaries have gone through.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    edited October 13
    Jonathan said:

    When you work at the high octane pace of Boris, you need multiple luxury subsidised holidays.

    I don't think your legal entitlement to holiday is a function of how hard you work.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,894
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    That was my immediate thought too. It tends to suggest to me that there is some particular reason why the insurers are not willing to cover those doctors anymore which really must be some sort of clinical issue, despite their statement.
    It also sounds like it’s capacity - so may be one doctor and they can’t find a locum?
    In which case, their public statement about the closure being insurance-related is, erm, untrue.

    Watching from afar, one gets the impression that a number of GP practices are taking the piss, and appear to be very difficult to hold to account.
    Well I was wondering if - say - 1 out of 4 doctors is the issue in that s/he can’t get insurance…

    But my local GP is still closed
  • Foxy said:

    Great headline in this logistics trade journal. Has TSE been moonlighting?

    https://theloadstar.com/its-all-going-tits-up-at-uk-box-ports-and-despite-what-boris-says-we-cant-fix-it/

    It's funny you mention that.

    In one of our economic briefings (written by the female of the species) she wrote this very topic with the observation that 'we all know the dangers of when you have a massive load that you need to empty and nowhere and no one to help you unload it.'
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,967
    edited October 13
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    That’s a little bit of an unfair way to describe his time in ICU
    That's clearly not what I meant. But he is forever donning hi-viz jackets, visiting all sorts of places including hospitals, and distracting people from their work. It just seems a bit rum to criticise Starmer for doing a bit of the same.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    Tea
    Foxy said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
    Well it induced you to comment.. . Some of the people on here are so one eyed, it does no harm to point out that a lot of the criticism is pure bile and based on ideological loathing rather than substantive criticism.

    It does no harm to point out that Starmer is ffing useless and leading an utterly divided party. Didn't he have a real car crash recently as well as the political ones.
    Is there a Starmer supporter on here? Even the loyalists have him as uninspiring, dull and wooden, albeit worthy, and the harshest vitriol comes from the few Corbynites.

    It's not as if PB is a hymn of praise for the LOTO!



    That's because they are too busy spitting bile about Boris.
    Yes, that is an important point. Apart from a few Corbynistas feelings against Starmer are that he is insipid, and lacklustre, while against Johnson they are passionate loathing. Certainly Mrs Foxy on the subject of the sack of spuds that we have as PM gives me earache.

    That loathing will be quite some motivation to GOTV, and will be up against half heartedness at best about Starmer.

    I don't see his lack of HGV skills particularly the issue. Didn't he knock over a cyclist a year or so ago too? The sooner he gets a government driver the better...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,482
    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Fecker is on one big holiday, he could not run a bath.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,282
    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    Tea
    Foxy said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
    Well it induced you to comment.. . Some of the people on here are so one eyed, it does no harm to point out that a lot of the criticism is pure bile and based on ideological loathing rather than substantive criticism.

    It does no harm to point out that Starmer is ffing useless and leading an utterly divided party. Didn't he have a real car crash recently as well as the political ones.
    Is there a Starmer supporter on here? Even the loyalists have him as uninspiring, dull and wooden, albeit worthy, and the harshest vitriol comes from the few Corbynites.

    It's not as if PB is a hymn of praise for the LOTO!



    That's because they are too busy spitting bile about Boris.
    Yes, that is an important point. Apart from a few Corbynistas feelings against Starmer are that he is insipid, and lacklustre, while against Johnson they are passionate loathing. Certainly Mrs Foxy on the subject of the sack of spuds that we have as PM gives me earache.

    That loathing will be quite some motivation to GOTV, and will be up against half heartedness at best about Starmer.

    I don't see his lack of HGV skills particularly the issue. Didn't he knock over a cyclist a year or so ago too? The sooner he gets a government driver the better...
    And yet negative feelings towards Boris are still a minority in the population - and a not insignificant proportion of that won't go to Labour.

    Simply "not being him" isn't enough.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,482
    eek said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    How many weeks off do you think people should be allowed? I thought the legal minimum was about five.
    Five including bank holidays
    Legal minimum is 28 days including bank holidays or 4 weeks plus bank holidays

    Whether you get a 29th day off next year for the Jubilee would depend on the exact terms of your contract as it isn't automatic.
    He exceeded that in January
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 5,207
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    That was my immediate thought too. It tends to suggest to me that there is some particular reason why the insurers are not willing to cover those doctors anymore which really must be some sort of clinical issue, despite their statement.
    It also sounds like it’s capacity - so may be one doctor and they can’t find a locum?
    In which case, their public statement about the closure being insurance-related is, erm, untrue.

    Watching from afar, one gets the impression that a number of GP practices are taking the piss, and appear to be very difficult to hold to account.
    A bit of a bizarre decision to have put them in charge of NHS commissioning then. Another resounding success of the Cameron Ministry.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,894

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    That’s a little bit of an unfair way to describe his time in ICU
    That's clearly not what I meant. But he is forever donning hi-viz jackets, visiting all sorts of places including hospitals, and distracting people from their work. It just seems a bit rum to criticise Starmer for doing a bit of the same.
    I know… just having a bit of fun 😜
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,351
    F1: Hmm. Wondering if Hamilton at 2.25 for the title might now be value.

    Mercedes looked quite a bit ahead of the Red Bull in Istanbul.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,482
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    That’s a little bit of an unfair way to describe his time in ICU
    LOL , he had a spoonful of oxygen and staff dancing around catering to his every whim. he was in and out in a few days and every one of them showed him smiling etc. Give us a break.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    F1: Hmm. Wondering if Hamilton at 2.25 for the title might now be value.

    Mercedes looked quite a bit ahead of the Red Bull in Istanbul.

    It’s a two horse race, and there’s a short head in it with a furlong to run. Bet on whichever is odds-against at any point in time.
  • F1: Hmm. Wondering if Hamilton at 2.25 for the title might now be value.

    Mercedes looked quite a bit ahead of the Red Bull in Istanbul.

    Christian Horner's moaning this weekend confirmed to me that Mercedes have got this in the bag.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/58870237

    To paraphrase a famous F1 quote 'Hamilton is quicker than you.'
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    malcolmg said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    That’s a little bit of an unfair way to describe his time in ICU
    LOL , he had a spoonful of oxygen and staff dancing around catering to his every whim. he was in and out in a few days and every one of them showed him smiling etc. Give us a break.
    Any evidence to back that up? All the reports suggest he was in a serious condition.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,720
    edited October 13
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    That was my immediate thought too. It tends to suggest to me that there is some particular reason why the insurers are not willing to cover those doctors anymore which really must be some sort of clinical issue, despite their statement.
    It also sounds like it’s capacity - so may be one doctor and they can’t find a locum?
    The website linked above shows ten doctors spread over four surgeries. However, the earnings declaration gives the average salary as only £53,000 which suggests an awful lot of part-timers, in fact 2 full-time and 16 part-time, so maybe there are scheduling issues if no-one fancies Friday afternoon at the wrong end of town, say.
    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/our-staff
    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/gp-earnings

    ETA we talked the other day about the increasing number of doctors opting for part-time work, and gap years during training.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551

    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Where’s Boris?

    He's on holiday which several of the papers affect to find outrageous. Of course a PM who didn't take breaks and recharge is going to do so much better. 😒
    Again?
    Tea
    Foxy said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Write one then? Or just have a quick daily repetitive and boring moan about it instead......
    Well it induced you to comment.. . Some of the people on here are so one eyed, it does no harm to point out that a lot of the criticism is pure bile and based on ideological loathing rather than substantive criticism.

    It does no harm to point out that Starmer is ffing useless and leading an utterly divided party. Didn't he have a real car crash recently as well as the political ones.
    Is there a Starmer supporter on here? Even the loyalists have him as uninspiring, dull and wooden, albeit worthy, and the harshest vitriol comes from the few Corbynites.

    It's not as if PB is a hymn of praise for the LOTO!



    That's because they are too busy spitting bile about Boris.
    Yes, that is an important point. Apart from a few Corbynistas feelings against Starmer are that he is insipid, and lacklustre, while against Johnson they are passionate loathing. Certainly Mrs Foxy on the subject of the sack of spuds that we have as PM gives me earache.

    That loathing will be quite some motivation to GOTV, and will be up against half heartedness at best about Starmer.

    I don't see his lack of HGV skills particularly the issue. Didn't he knock over a cyclist a year or so ago too? The sooner he gets a government driver the better...
    And yet negative feelings towards Boris are still a minority in the population - and a not insignificant proportion of that won't go to Labour.

    Simply "not being him" isn't enough.
    No, I don't think so either which is why I am on Con majority next election.

    Though we are probably 2 years away from finding out. An autumn election in 2023 sounds increasingly likely.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,967
    edited October 13
    Incidentally, I don't think Starmer's lorry-manoeuvre mishap is necessarily a negative for him. It's got him lots of publicity. It wouldn't have been mentioned in the media or on here were it not for the error. All publicity and all that.... If he's smart (yes, I know), he should think of a good gag about it before his next media interview or HoC appearance. Boris will raise it, no doubt. He can probably contrast his mishap with Boris's absence in a paid-for villa well out of the financial reach of red-wall voters. Or something like that.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    That’s a little bit of an unfair way to describe his time in ICU
    LOL , he had a spoonful of oxygen and staff dancing around catering to his every whim. he was in and out in a few days and every one of them showed him smiling etc. Give us a break.
    Any evidence to back that up? All the reports suggest he was in a serious condition.
    An obese fiftysomething with covid needing a couple of days of CPAP and fluids sounds kosher to me. I think he needed the treatment.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    F1: Hmm. Wondering if Hamilton at 2.25 for the title might now be value.

    Mercedes looked quite a bit ahead of the Red Bull in Istanbul.

    Christian Horner's moaning this weekend confirmed to me that Mercedes have got this in the bag.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/58870237

    To paraphrase a famous F1 quote 'Hamilton is quicker than you.'
    Yep, there’s a 36 point gap in the more important championship, which Mr Horner is trying to play down but is what determines the prize money at the end of the season. Mercedes have got it, and will probably win both titles again.

    Oh, and FPT - if you need to work with your personal laptop, and don’t fancy showing your colleagues your desktop or browsing history, then create a new user account you numpty!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551

    Incidentally, I don't think Starmer's lorry-manoeuvre mishap is necessarily a negative for him. It's got him lots of publicity. It wouldn't have been mentioned in the media or on here were it not for the error. All publicity and all that....

    Yes, it demonstrates reversing an HGV is quite a skill, even under supervision.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,481
    edited October 13
    I was thinking about writing a header comparing Sir Keir’s Labour’s performance in By Elections with that of previous Labour leaders - it fascinates me that he has overseen their worst ever vote share in Hartlepool, C&A and B&S, real voters not voting for him at the first chance they get after the awful Jezza, but it’s not really seen as a big deal by anyone else

    Anyway, looking at wiki, I was surprised to see the cause of Jim Dobbin’s death - looks like he got extremely drunk at an official dinner in Poland, and choked on his food. I was very interested in the subsequent by election in Heywood & Middleton - backed UKIP at 14/1 I think, and they lost by 627 votes - but hadn’t noticed that

    It was the same day as Douglas Carswell’s Clacton by election, and UKIP probably focussed too much on that one, which turned out to be an easy win, and didn’t take H&M seriously enough. The original price in Clacton was 4/6 UKIP which I couldn’t get a penny on, but was massive value

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Dobbin
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,967
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
    Fair enough. I'll look forward to seeing your trenchant criticism of Boris next time he dons his hi-viz jacket and turns up at a flood scene or something similar.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
    Fair enough. I'll look forward to seeing your trenchant criticism of Boris next time he dons his hi-viz jacket and turns up at a flood scene or something similar.
    He would undoubtedly be criticised for not donning a hi-viz jacket and visiting the scene. Probably by an opposition politician donning a hi-viz jacket visiting the scene.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 6,446

    Incidentally, I don't think Starmer's lorry-manoeuvre mishap is necessarily a negative for him. It's got him lots of publicity. It wouldn't have been mentioned in the media or on here were it not for the error. All publicity and all that.... If he's smart (yes, I know), he should think of a good gag about it before his next media interview or HoC appearance. Boris will raise it, no doubt. He can probably contrast his mishap with Boris's absence in a paid-for villa well out of the financial reach of red-wall voters. Or something like that.

    Most people can't reverse park very easily so maybe he wins points for relatability or something?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    tlg86 said:
    Nope, but I support it.

    They have absolutely no-one to blame but themselves for its creation.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,481

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
    Fair enough. I'll look forward to seeing your trenchant criticism of Boris next time he dons his hi-viz jacket and turns up at a flood scene or something similar.
    When important politicians don’t turn up at flood scenes and the like, their critics all scream “Where’s Boris?!?!” “Missing In Action” etc
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
    Fair enough. I'll look forward to seeing your trenchant criticism of Boris next time he dons his hi-viz jacket and turns up at a flood scene or something similar.
    It’ll be there!

    I work in IT, and there’s nothing worse than having to deal with the senior management looking over your shoulder as you try and work out why that server just crashed. I feel the same way about the fire service and army units that have to deal with floods, when half the top brass and a minister or two turn up to get in the way for their own benefit.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677

    Incidentally, I don't think Starmer's lorry-manoeuvre mishap is necessarily a negative for him. It's got him lots of publicity. It wouldn't have been mentioned in the media or on here were it not for the error. All publicity and all that.... If he's smart (yes, I know), he should think of a good gag about it before his next media interview or HoC appearance. Boris will raise it, no doubt. He can probably contrast his mishap with Boris's absence in a paid-for villa well out of the financial reach of red-wall voters. Or something like that.

    Most people can't reverse park very easily so maybe he wins points for relatability or something?
    Most people wouldn't dream of attempting to reverse park an HGV.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,551

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    More OT medical news.

    The Telegraph has found a GP practice that is temporarily closed because its public liability insurance has lapsed. The Telegraph is paywalled but here is the doctors' website:-

    The Blandford Group Practice has had to make the difficult decision to temporarily postpone non-urgent routine appointments due to a lapse in public liability insurance.

    Our team are working extremely hard to put measures in place to allow services to return to normal at the earliest opportunity, this includes the weekend vaccination clinics.

    We would like to reassure patients that this is an insurance issue and not a clinical care issue.

    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/

    Of much more interest, would be exactly why their insurance ‘lapsed’. Either they’ve no money to pay the renewal, or there was a good reason for the quote being a lot higher than they might have expected - such as a claim or claims made against it. If it were simply an administrative error, it could be solved in hours and without needing to issue statements to the press.
    I don't think that explains it. Cover is free for the practice, universal and doesn't need to be applied for:

    https://resolution.nhs.uk/services/claims-management/clinical-schemes/general-practice-indemnity/clinical-negligence-scheme-for-general-practice/
    That was my immediate thought too. It tends to suggest to me that there is some particular reason why the insurers are not willing to cover those doctors anymore which really must be some sort of clinical issue, despite their statement.
    It also sounds like it’s capacity - so may be one doctor and they can’t find a locum?
    The website linked above shows ten doctors spread over four surgeries. However, the earnings declaration gives the average salary as only £53,000 which suggests an awful lot of part-timers, in fact 2 full-time and 16 part-time, so maybe there are scheduling issues if no-one fancies Friday afternoon at the wrong end of town, say.
    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/our-staff
    https://www.theblandfordgrouppractice.co.uk/gp-earnings

    ETA we talked the other day about the increasing number of doctors opting for part-time work, and gap years during training.
    One of the practical issues is that while partners get paid more, filling those posts is getting harder. People just don't want the hassles that go with it. Only 2 full tumers in a team of 18 must be difficult.

    I think one common feature with the HGV issue is that a lot of folk have found out during lockdowns that they like more time at home, and the pleasures therein. No point in thrashing yourself to an early grave chasing a few consumer baubles, take it easy and cut your hours even at the expense of pay.
  • isam said:

    I was thinking about writing a header comparing Sir Keir’s Labour’s performance in By Elections with that of previous Labour leaders - it fascinates me that he has overseen their worst ever vote share in Hartlepool, C&A and B&S, real voters not voting for him at the first chance they get after the awful Jezza, but it’s not really seen as a big deal by anyone else

    Anyway, looking at wiki, I was surprised to see the cause of Jim Dobbin’s death - looks like he got extremely drunk at an official dinner in Poland, and choked on his food. I was very interested in the subsequent by election in Heywood & Middleton - backed UKIP at 14/1 I think, and they lost by 627 votes - but hadn’t noticed that

    It was the same day as Douglas Carswell’s Clacton by election, and UKIP probably focussed too much on that one, which turned out to be an easy win, and didn’t take H&M seriously enough. The original price in Clacton was 4/6 UKIP which I couldn’t get a penny on, but was massive value

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Dobbin

    It's all about context.

    Labour polled 2% and 2.7% in the Newbury & Christchurch by elections in 1993, the latter where their vote fell by 9.4% didn't stop them winning a landslide in 1997.

    Would your piece cover Airdrie and Shotts?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 182

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
    Fair enough. I'll look forward to seeing your trenchant criticism of Boris next time he dons his hi-viz jacket and turns up at a flood scene or something similar.
    Unfortunately politicians of all stripes get hammered if they don’t turn up at these things in a high viz…..

    Flood or other disaster, natural or man-made, they need to turn up at the insistence of the media and vox-pops of idiots saying “why isn’t Boris here seeing the flooding, he doesn’t care about us”….. it’s ridiculous.
    I seem to remember exactly this last time there was major flooding.

    Would prefer a PM to say “I’m not turning up at future disasters in person because if I do I’m followed by fifty minders and journalists and get in the way of the police and emergency services who can actually do something about the situation on site whereas I can’t”….
  • DavidL said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Let's face it, crashing a lorry in the current circumstances and proving himself unfit for duty as an HGV driver is the most effective opposition we have seen from him this year.
    "Look, we can't just train prannocks like me to drive tankers full of fuel overnight, no matter how many time Philip says we can"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    I hold no pen for Boris and I really don't understand why we seem to begrudge all PMs a holiday.

    I remember Tony Blair and David Cameron getting similar criticism, or taking the mick out of Theresa May for the modest Swiss walking trips.

    I wasn't impressed by Gordon Brown always working either, and look what happened to him.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
    Fair enough. I'll look forward to seeing your trenchant criticism of Boris next time he dons his hi-viz jacket and turns up at a flood scene or something similar.

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    More to the point, why was he using up the valuable resource of a lorry and instructor, at a time when there’s an urgent need for more driver training? Thankfully he just hit a light barrier, rather than anything more solid which might have taken the lorry out of service.
    Yes, of course Boris has never taken up the time of valuable resources, such as in the NHS, through publicity stunts, has he?
    I’ll happily critisise any and all politicians who are getting in the way of dealing with an emergency. Nothing worse than a disaster recovery team having to deal with ‘VIP’ idiots turning up to have their photos taken, using up significant amounts of senior human resource and often disturbing the work being done.
    Fair enough. I'll look forward to seeing your trenchant criticism of Boris next time he dons his hi-viz jacket and turns up at a flood scene or something similar.
    And you will be the first to criticise him if he doesnt..
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 6,446

    tlg86 said:
    Nope, but I support it.

    They have absolutely no-one to blame but themselves for its creation.
    Some of them are absolute loons though, reading through their statements in the voting bumf I got sent by the NT. One of them obviously spends a *lot* of his time thinking about homosexuals. It will be a shame if the small steps the NT has recently made in the direction of no longer whitewashing the history of their properties are reversed if these dinosaurs get elected. Anyway, I've voted against them and many NT members of my acquaintance have done too.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654

    We ought to have had a thread, just to even things up on Starmer being a prat, unable to reverse a lorry without crashing into something. It's a metaphor for his leadership innit??

    Did you miss the last thread? It headlined Labour's poor polling and discussed the allegory of Starmer crashing after declining advice to turn left.
    I must have ....
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