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  • Farooq said:

    If I were you I'd run "let's be less woke and more like China" past a few focus groups before running with it.
    What you said makes no sense. Being less woke doesn't mean being like china.....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296

    What you said makes no sense. Being less woke doesn't mean being like china.....
    Being less woke certainly does mean being more like China.
  • Damn! Those bloody wokists ruining everything again, eh?
    Sure but when you promote diversity over merit things start to gradually fall apart....I would say the quality of mps for example is much reduced since diversity became a thing
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Racist Sinophobia? You're the one peddling the 'China made covid deliberately' conspiracy theory.
    It isn't a conspiracy theory any more, it's pretty clear that that's what happened. And that the program was largely sponsored and driven by the USA, so not terribly racist either.

    Is it in your view racist Allemanophobia to say that Germany was largely responsible for the existence of Auschwitz?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049

    And that income should face every bit as much tax, national insurance etc as any other income.
    Only the first £1,000 of rental income is tax free
  • Another big hit as conservatives lose 6 points

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1436439050337017860?s=19
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,524
    HYUFD said:

    As you have already been told it is defined by the authorities as a collision not an accident, that does not automatically make it murder.

    The offence she was charged with of death by dangerous driving, also means she has been charged with criminal activity leading to a death too, the CPS decided it was not a completely innocent accident on the evidence, even if that does not mean it was murder either
    As I have already been told? You are referring to an incorrect earlier post. Everything you read is not correct.

    Be it on your own head. Not going to try anymore. Just wasting my time. You are being an idiot by being so stubborn and exposing yourself so. You can still put your argument without putting yourself at risk.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    HYUFD said:

    Only the first £1,000 of rental income is tax free
    'Only'? And how much NI is paid on theat rental income?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,395
    Charles said:

    “Arabic” numerals
    Astronomy
    Trigonometry
    Zero
    Lots in medicine and toxicology
    Rotation of the earth
    Cartography

    Bit more than just “no”
    Didn't the Romans and Greeks know about the rotation of the earth?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited September 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Honestly, I think you're quite possibly the dimmest person I've come across. In previous posts you obsess about how difficult it is to buy houses but now you want to call renting something people want to do.

    Is there any depth you won't plumb to in order give Boris a handjob and ball licking?
    HYUFD is a literary character. He has no independent external principles, there is only the Party.

    "You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self- destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane."
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Nobody wants to pay rent, you sort of have to though, if you can't buy a house and you don't want to freeze to fucking death.
    Can I congratulate you on the uniform excellence of your posts to date? I do hope you are a genuine newcomer to the site, rather than another lapidary sex toy maker.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,303
    Farooq said:

    Nobody wants to pay rent, you sort of have to though, if you can't buy a house and you don't want to freeze to fucking death.
    There is a place for a rental market - people sometimes have good reasons to rent. My parents are renting at present - they've sold their house to downsize, and are currently having a new house built. Meanwhile they need somewhere to live for a year or so.

    The fundamental problem is that high house prices (which also means high rental prices) prevent people with average incomes from affording housing, not least because when renting, the rent swallows up so much income, its extremely difficult to save for a deposit.
    Couple that with super low interest rates, and for anyone with spare capital, becoming a landlord is a no-brainer.

    The root problem remains a lack of housing, however one cuts it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    edited September 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Honestly, I think you're quite possibly the dimmest person I've come across. In previous posts you obsess about how difficult it is to buy houses but now you want to call renting something people want to do.

    Is there any depth you won't plumb to in order give Boris a handjob and ball licking?
    It is difficult to buy houses in the South because there is too high immigration there and too few controls on foreign property investment in London. Yes there could be a few more new homes restricted to first time buyers there but that is not the fault of existing landlords.

    In the North and Midlands there very few problems with buying a property and in case you have not noticed there are landlords there too.

    But be as rude as you want rather than bother with argument
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    'Only'? And how much NI is paid on theat rental income?
    NI is only charged on income from jobs, right?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,395

    Sure but when you promote diversity over merit things start to gradually fall apart....I would say the quality of mps for example is much reduced since diversity became a thing
    I don't think that's the only factor: I'm sure I (or most of the denizens of this board) could become MPs if they wanted to.

    But it combines being poorly paid relative to most professions, with antisocial hours, abuse on Twitter, and constant media invasion into your private life.

    I mean, why bother?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,176
    HYUFD said:

    It you are charged by the CPS with criminally dangerous driving leading to a death you are charged with committing a criminal offence not an accident even if you did not commit a deliberate murder either.

    As far as I can see Prince Andrew has only faced a civil action, not criminal charges like Anne Sacoolas
    You can still commit criminal offences accidentally you know…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    Cyclefree said:

    A road traffic accident can lead to criminal charges.

    That is very different to saying that someone deliberately intended to kill someone by running them over with a car.

    The former is what has happened in the Sacoolas case, albeit diplomatic immunity means she will never be brought to court.

    If @HYUFD is suggesting the latter he is talking out of his arse and potentially making a seriously defamatory comment about Sacoolas. He knows what he should do.
    I have said she has been charged with death by dangerous driving ie a criminal offence by the CPS, which she has. I did not say she had been found guilty of that.

    Philip Thompson however said earlier Prince Andrew has been accused of rape when he has only faced civil action not criminal charges
  • rcs1000 said:

    I don't think that's the only factor: I'm sure I (or most of the denizens of this board) could become MPs if they wanted to.

    But it combines being poorly paid relative to most professions, with antisocial hours, abuse on Twitter, and constant media invasion into your private life.

    I mean, why bother?
    Oh I agree. The explosion of salaries in the city and law since the 1980s hasn't helped
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Foxy said:

    If you are suggesting that the West is Andulucia, and China Renaissance Europe, it does seem rather a stretch. China is very willing to learn from outsiders though.
    Did you mean to write steal? :wink:
  • HYUFD said:

    Only the first £1,000 of rental income is tax free
    Which is a bonus £1000 in addition to those who are working's tax free allowance.

    After that it faces all forms of Income Tax including both elements of National Insurance does it? 🤔
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296

    Sure but when you promote diversity over merit things start to gradually fall apart....I would say the quality of mps for example is much reduced since diversity became a thing
    Interesting. What sort of attributes should your standard model MP possess?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    HYUFD said:

    It is difficult to buy houses in the South because there is too high immigration and too few controls on foreign property investment on property investment in London. Yes there could be a few more new homes restricted to first time buyers but that is not the fault of existing arguments.

    In the North and Midlands there very few problems with buying a property and in case you have not noticed there are landlords there too.

    But be as rude as you want rather than bother with argument
    You're a moron. Private landlords own 4.5m properties between them, that figure is up from 1m properties 20 years ago. I'll be glad when the Tories are out of power. Your party is tanking and all you can do is defend old rich people while the Tories become the party of high taxation that hates working people.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think that's the only factor: I'm sure I (or most of the denizens of this board) could become MPs if they wanted to.

    But it combines being poorly paid relative to most professions, with antisocial hours, abuse on Twitter, and constant media invasion into your private life.

    I mean, why bother?
    Not to mention voting for crap you don’t believe in.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,524
    edited September 2021
    Cyclefree said:

    A road traffic accident can lead to criminal charges.

    That is very different to saying that someone deliberately intended to kill someone by running them over with a car.

    The former is what has happened in the Sacoolas case, albeit diplomatic immunity means she will never be brought to court.

    If @HYUFD is suggesting the latter he is talking out of his arse and potentially making a seriously defamatory comment about Sacoolas. He knows what he should do.
    Can you tell him then please. As a layman he is taking no notice of me. He has specifically said it wasn't an accident. It is simply that, that I warned him of. I'm no expert but that sounds like a dodgy thing to say.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    kjh said:

    As I have already been told? You are referring to an incorrect earlier post. Everything you read is not correct.

    Be it on your own head. Not going to try anymore. Just wasting my time. You are being an idiot by being so stubborn and exposing yourself so. You can still put your argument without putting yourself at risk.
    90% of your posts on here are patronising drivel about me and to be quite frank I am getting increasingly fed up with it
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think that's the only factor: I'm sure I (or most of the denizens of this board) could become MPs if they wanted to.

    But it combines being poorly paid relative to most professions, with antisocial hours, abuse on Twitter, and constant media invasion into your private life.

    I mean, why bother?
    Being an MP is the worst. You end up like HYFUD, constantly defending stupid policies because it's the only way to climb that greasy pole.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    SKS has a policy and a good one at that

    "the money could have been raised by taxing the incomes of landlords, and those who buy and sell large quantities of financial assets, stocks shares".
  • HYUFD said:

    It is difficult to buy houses in the South because there is too high immigration there and too few controls on foreign property investment in London. Yes there could be a few more new homes restricted to first time buyers there but that is not the fault of existing landlords.

    In the North and Midlands there very few problems with buying a property and in case you have not noticed there are landlords there too.

    But be as rude as you want rather than bother with argument
    Really...an average semi in a mediocre area in the north will go for 200000 pounds. Assume an average salary of 25 grand. Just about affordable for a couple completely out of reach of a single man My parents could afford that average semi on one average income
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    kjh said:

    As I have already been told? You are referring to an incorrect earlier post. Everything you read is not correct.

    Be it on your own head. Not going to try anymore. Just wasting my time. You are being an idiot by being so stubborn and exposing yourself so. You can still put your argument without putting yourself at risk.
    Trying to teach @HYUFD about the law is about as unrewarding and pointless as you teaching him maths.

    I'm off to do some reading.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    edited September 2021
    RobD said:

    NI is only charged on income from jobs, right?
    Yes. It's an income tax but not on all income. Hence I, retired on a pension, pay a lot less into the public coffers than someone slogging their guts out week in week out for the same gross income.

    Similarly a landlord with rental income pays a lot less tax than the worker.
  • Another big hit as conservatives lose 6 points

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1436439050337017860?s=19

    Two caveats though;

    The changes are since mid May, so it's reflecting the gentle drift that's been happening since the peak of the Hartlepool bounce.

    The polling was done in the first half of this week; whilst the facts of the government's social care plan were emerging, I'm not sure that it's implications had.
  • SKS has a policy and a good one at that

    "the money could have been raised by taxing the incomes of landlords, and those who buy and sell large quantities of financial assets, stocks shares".

    Expect Rishi may steal that in the Autumn statement

    The missing point in this controversy is not just the unfairness but it is the billions short of what is needed
  • Yes things are not as crazy in the north but high house prices are still a problem there
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    MaxPB said:

    You're a moron. Private landlords own 4.5m properties between them, that figure is up from 1m properties 20 years ago. I'll be glad when the Tories are out of power. Your party is tanking and all you can do is defend old rich people while the Tories become the party of high taxation that hates working people.
    'You're a moron.'

    And the abuse continues. The main reason the Tories have lost votes with Yougov is the triple lock freeze as most of the votes lost were with over 65s. Not with high earners like you resentful at having to pay 1.25% extra in NI for the NHS and social care.

    To be quite frank I am extremely glad you are no longer a party supporter, good riddance!
  • stodge said:

    Yes, indeed but an argument is if it had not been his assassination, it would have been something else sooner or later. Another Balkan crisis or Morocco or something else which would have allowed those wanting or needing war to have their opportunity.

    Let's not forget there was widespread popular support FOR war - incredible as it may seem. Indeed, I'd go further and say August 1914 was an example of some mass psychosis. War, patriotism and glory were seen as the way forward - any voices urging caution were simply ignored.

    I'm not sure the part about popular support is true but even if it is true, it is probably not relevant outside of Britain which was the most democratic state, even if women could not vote. Basically it is complicated but I thought I'd throw in that paradox about the Archduke.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Floater said:

    Did you mean to write steal? :wink:
    I always parse that emoji as "I am a twat." I take it to mean in this case that the slope eyed yellow man can only copy, not innovate?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Yes. It's an income tax but not on all income. Hence I, retired on a pension, pay a lot less into the public coffers than someone slogging their guts out week in week out for the same gross income.

    Similarly a landlord with rental income pays a lot less tax than the worker.
    Not if it's their main source of income, then they pay NI.

    Isn't that a feature and not a bug of retirement? You aren't earning as much, and you aren't supposed to be slogging your guts out week in and week out.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    edited September 2021

    Expect Rishi may steal that in the Autumn statement

    The missing point in this controversy is not just the unfairness but it is the billions short of what is needed
    Wealth tax Big_G.

    1% per annum of individual wealth above £1m would net £170bn per annum.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,395
    Leon said:

    I can’t believe this is a surprise to you. High IQ well-educated women shun childbirth and parenting, they want careers and money. A universal if painful truth. As recognized by the Taliban
    Well yes, but it also rather suggests that countries' time at the top is going to be rather limited by demographics.

    In Asia, look at Taiwan, Japan, and even now South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong. Look too at Italy in Europe. Basically if your birth rate collapses, you set yourself up for a very nasty period when you have far more oldies demanding pensions and healthcare, than you have workers.

    If you look across China it has a TFR of about 1.4-1.5, but that splits between the poorly educated rural areas with birthrates above 2, and urban areas (where the smart people live) with much lower number, dipping as low as 0.7 in Shanghai.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    I have said she has been charged with death by dangerous driving ie a criminal offence by the CPS, which she has. I did not say she had been found guilty of that.

    Philip Thompson however said earlier Prince Andrew has been accused of rape when he has only faced civil action not criminal charges
    What? If I sue you for rape, how am I not accusing you of rape?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Wealth tax Big_G.

    1% per annum of individual wealth above £1m would net £170bn per annum.
    Hm, I think that's the third different value for the predicted take of that tax I've seen in as many days!
  • Sure but when you promote diversity over merit things start to gradually fall apart....I would say the quality of mps for example is much reduced since diversity became a thing
    Quite right. We need to go back to those halcyon days when virtually all MPs were white men of a certain age.

    Are you for real?
  • SKS has a policy and a good one at that

    "the money could have been raised by taxing the incomes of landlords, and those who buy and sell large quantities of financial assets, stocks shares".

    Bloody hell - is that you praising SKS? Knock me down with a feather!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    Cyclefree said:

    Trying to teach @HYUFD about the law is about as unrewarding and pointless as you teaching him maths.

    I'm off to do some reading.
    I also have legal qualifications and there was nothing remotely libellous about saying she has been charged with a criminal offence of death by dangerous driving, she is charged with causing a criminal collision leading to a death.

    The evidence of the CPS therefore is that it was not an innocent accident but her dangerous driving which caused the death
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    HYUFD said:

    'You're a moron.'

    And the abuse continues. The main reason the Tories have lost votes with Yougov is the triple lock freeze as most of the votes lost were with over 65s. Not with high earners like you resentful at having to pay 1.25% extra in NI for the NHS and social care.

    To be quite frank I am extremely glad you are no longer a party supporter, good riddance!
    You really are a piece of work. The Tory party is doomed if all it has left is people like you. That light in the distance is an oncoming train of working people realising that the Tories are going to tax them into poverty so that rich old people can pass their assets to rich middle aged people. 2024 is going to be a disaster for the Tories, even with someone as insipid and useless as Starmer in charge of Labour.
  • As people get less money in their pockets there is only 1 direction for Tory support. The covid crisis didnt hurt them much as financially many people did rather well out of it
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Wealth tax Big_G.

    1% per annum of individual wealth above £1m would net £170bn per annum.

    Naah, laffer curve innit?

    Seriously, I'd spend myself/ give stuff to my sons down to £999,999 within a couple of years.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    HYUFD said:

    I also have legal qualifications and there was nothing remotely libellous about saying she has been charged with a criminal offence of death by dangerous driving, she is charged with causing a criminal collision leading to a death.

    The evidence of the CPS therefore is that it was not an innocent accident but her dangerous driving which caused the death
    I think you are missing a step. While the CPS think it wasn't an accident, it requires a court case to prove it wasn't.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    edited September 2021
    MaxPB said:

    You really are a piece of work. The Tory party is doomed if all it has left is people like you. That light in the distance is an oncoming train of working people realising that the Tories are going to tax them into poverty so that rich old people can pass their assets to rich middle aged people. 2024 is going to be a disaster for the Tories, even with someone as insipid and useless as Starmer in charge of Labour.
    Except it isn't. The strongest Tory voter retention with Yougov was with 25-49 year olds, the biggest loss in voteshare was with pensioners.

    Comres of course today had the Tories ahead. However regardless I would rather be in opposition now with proper Tories, than having to be in government due to votes from the likes of you
  • HYUFD said:

    'You're a moron.'

    And the abuse continues. The main reason the Tories have lost votes with Yougov is the triple lock freeze as most of the votes lost were with over 65s. Not with high earners like you resentful at having to pay 1.25% extra in NI for the NHS and social care.

    To be quite frank I am extremely glad you are no longer a party supporter, good riddance!
    You do realise that your attitude is likely to see both yourself and the conservatives out of office

    You are quite the worst representative of the conservative party I have encountered in all the years I have actively campaigned and supported them

    But then my lapsing of my party membership will no doubt receive another good riddance comment

    One day you will wake up and find you are talking to yourself as everyone has fled
  • Pensioners the furloughed and wfh brigade all did ok financially during covid. The economic pain was felt by a small number often small businesspeople. At the end of the day its money that drives votes
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049

    You do realise that your attitude is likely to see both yourself and the conservatives out of office

    You are quite the worst representative of the conservative party I have encountered in all the years I have actively campaigned and supported them

    But then my lapsing of my party membership will no doubt receive another good riddance comment

    One day you will wake up and find you are talking to yourself as everyone has fled
    Omitting to mention of course the years you were voting for Blair and New Labour when the party was at its lowest ebb and actually really needed you!
  • Expect Rishi may steal that in the Autumn statement

    The missing point in this controversy is not just the unfairness but it is the billions short of what is needed
    Rishi needs to be careful.

    It's not that long ago that the deferred pain introduced in the March budget (Corporation Tax, Income Tax thresholds being frozen, some pretty punishing limits on public sector spending and pay) was going to be enough to balance the books.

    The Covid outlook is far better than we had a right to expect, so the economy ought to be doing fine.

    So did Rishi botch the numbers in Spring, or is he a sadomonetrist?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    RobD said:

    Not if it's their main source of income, then they pay NI.

    Isn't that a feature and not a bug of retirement? You aren't earning as much, and you aren't supposed to be slogging your guts out week in and week out.
    But that is a sentiment based on life in the 70s and 80s when private pensions were two parts of fuck all. Today there are 2m pensioners who have income that puts them in the higher rate tax bracket. In what world does it make sense that they are paying a lower net rate of tax than a a worker earning £30k?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    RobD said:

    I think you are missing a step. While the CPS think it wasn't an accident, it requires a court case to prove it wasn't.
    Yes and I have not said she has been found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving have I.

    Yet while Philip T and others were happily accusing me of libel he was saying Prince Andrew has been accused of rape, ie facing criminal charges when he is only facing a civil action
  • Wealth tax Big_G.

    1% per annum of individual wealth above £1m would net £170bn per annum.
    And see entrepreneurs and investors find more friendly tax jurisdictions

    There is a case for taxing the wealthy but £1m is too low, not that I would qualify
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    RobD said:

    Hm, I think that's the third different value for the predicted take of that tax I've seen in as many days!
    Yeah, I made that up quickly by taking 1% of the estimated £17tn of individual wealth. It'd be less than that since only the 40% of wealth owned by the top 5% would be targeted. But it would still be a very high contributor to public funds. And very easily affordable by those of us who would have to pay it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    RobD said:

    I think you are missing a step. While the CPS think it wasn't an accident, it requires a court case to prove it wasn't.
    Depends what you mean by "prove". Why should we be bound by the narrow legal definition? Do you think it is unproven that the Apollo program put a man on the moon?
  • Tennis on telly. Ministers are said to have asked Amazon to make the US Open final with SPotY favourite Emma Raducanu free-to-air. Meanwhile, the BBC has been given highlights rights.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/16102391/amazon-prime-free-emma-raducanu-us-open-final/
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/emma-raducanu-amazon-urged-to-show-us-open-final-free-of-charge-xdn0gv5ht (£££)
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    edited September 2021
    RobD said:

    Not if it's their main source of income, then they pay NI.

    Isn't that a feature and not a bug of retirement? You aren't earning as much, and you aren't supposed to be slogging your guts out week in and week out.
    Yes. Retirement = less energy, so less work, so less (but hopefully enough) money.
    It's great - I recommend it.

    Which reminds me, it's past my bedtime.
  • Rishi needs to be careful.

    It's not that long ago that the deferred pain introduced in the March budget (Corporation Tax, Income Tax thresholds being frozen, some pretty punishing limits on public sector spending and pay) was going to be enough to balance the books.

    The Covid outlook is far better than we had a right to expect, so the economy ought to be doing fine.

    So did Rishi botch the numbers in Spring, or is he a sadomonetrist?
    The economy is slowing both here and in the US. All the money printing has also caused inflation and a huge asset bubble. Remember a lot of the early strength was people spending their covid savings
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Yes and I have not said she has been found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving have I.

    Yet while Philip T and others were happily accusing me of libel he was saying Prince Andrew has been accused of rape, ie facing criminal charges when he is only facing a civil action
    To repeat myself, If I sue you for rape, how am I not accusing you of rape?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296

    And see entrepreneurs and investors find more friendly tax jurisdictions

    There is a case for taxing the wealthy but £1m is too low, not that I would qualify
    If the wealthy elite want to leave the country rather than pay their taxes, I say let them go. But if they want to remain British citizens and/or they want to keep their flat in London or house in the Cotswolds, thay can pay their 1% on them.
  • HYUFD said:

    Omitting to mention of course the years you were voting for Blair and New Labour when the party was at its lowest ebb and actually really needed you!
    It was stale and the country needed Blair
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,524
    HYUFD said:

    I also have legal qualifications and there was nothing remotely libellous about saying she has been charged with a criminal offence of death by dangerous driving, she is charged with causing a criminal collision leading to a death.

    The evidence of the CPS therefore is that it was not an innocent accident but her dangerous driving which caused the death
    All of the above is correct, but that is not what you said that was libelous. What you said that was libellous was that it was NOT AN ACCIDENT and that is libelous (in my humble opinion).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    IshmaelZ said:


    Naah, laffer curve innit?

    Seriously, I'd spend myself/ give stuff to my sons down to £999,999 within a couple of years.
    If you can do that without pushing your sons over the limit then fine - you're not really in the core target for this tax anyway.
  • Rishi needs to be careful.

    It's not that long ago that the deferred pain introduced in the March budget (Corporation Tax, Income Tax thresholds being frozen, some pretty punishing limits on public sector spending and pay) was going to be enough to balance the books.

    The Covid outlook is far better than we had a right to expect, so the economy ought to be doing fine.

    So did Rishi botch the numbers in Spring, or is he a sadomonetrist?
    To me it is fairness but it needs to be balanced and the calls on the NHS and social care are massive and growing
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,395

    Oh I agree. The explosion of salaries in the city and law since the 1980s hasn't helped
    Being an MP pays £81,000/year.

    While that compares very poorly to the City or law, it doesn't look that great relative to being a software developer with a decade's experience, or a GP, or even a chartered accountant.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    MaxPB said:

    But that is a sentiment based on life in the 70s and 80s when private pensions were two parts of fuck all. Today there are 2m pensioners who have income that puts them in the higher rate tax bracket. In what world does it make sense that they are paying a lower net rate of tax than a a worker earning £30k?
    I agree with the sentiment. I think the state pension should be clawed back for the richest pensioners. They don't need it.
  • If the wealthy elite want to leave the country rather than pay their taxes, I say let them go. But if they want to remain British citizens and/or they want to keep their flat in London or house in the Cotswolds, thay can pay their 1% on them.
    Your definition of wealth is too low and would see many pensioners having to sell the family homes

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited September 2021

    Tennis on telly. Ministers are said to have asked Amazon to make the US Open final with SPotY favourite Emma Raducanu free-to-air. Meanwhile, the BBC has been given highlights rights.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/16102391/amazon-prime-free-emma-raducanu-us-open-final/
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/emma-raducanu-amazon-urged-to-show-us-open-final-free-of-charge-xdn0gv5ht (£££)

    I was hoping they'd allow it to be on free-to-air TV. It'll get millions of viewers if they do.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited September 2021
    If anyone can tear themselves away. Found this article on the Canadian PPC surge. They are very much the anti masks, vax, vaxports, pro-assault weapons Party that O'Toole has been desperately trying not to be. Essentially, the extreme end of US Republicans.
    Is their surge real?

    https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/09/ppc-surges-in-poll-threatening-ndp-for-third-place/

    Website is Republic of Western Canada loon fringe. But the article is pretty fair. Even if it ignores only one firm giving such high scores.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    RobD said:

    No, but you said it wasn't an accident, which is what everyone is worked up about. Saying it is not an accident implies she did it deliberately. The CPS having charged her does not make her guilty of that.
    She has been charged with dangerous driving which means it was not an accident on the charges by the CPS as it would have been the dangerous driving which led to the death.

    If she is found guilty of what she is charged with had she been driving in a manner that was not dangerous then it would have been an accident.

  • It was stale and the country needed Blair
    Its just a shame that Blair came with Brown.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kjh said:

    All of the above is correct, but that is not what you said that was libelous. What you said that was libellous was that it was NOT AN ACCIDENT and that is libelous (in my humble opinion).
    Consistency in spelling would give your humble opinion greater weight. And what a lot of nonsense anyway, in my humble but at least I'm a fucking solicitor opinion.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,395
    MaxPB said:

    You're a moron. Private landlords own 4.5m properties between them, that figure is up from 1m properties 20 years ago. I'll be glad when the Tories are out of power. Your party is tanking and all you can do is defend old rich people while the Tories become the party of high taxation that hates working people.
    If you buy a house as an individual, you cannot offset the mortgage interest payments against income.

    If you are a landlord (and especially if you put ownership of the property in a limited company), you can. (Albeit the system is slightly less generous than it was.)

    Even so, the effect is to mean that a landlord can pay more for a property than a private owner. That drives up prices and moves the residential stock increasingly into the hands of landlords.
  • HYUFD said:

    She has been charged with dangerous driving which means it was not an accident on the charges by the CPS as it would have been the dangerous driving which led to the death.

    If she is found guilty of what she is charged with had she been driving in a manner that was not dangerous then it would have been an accident.

    I am going to bed now and I think you would be best served by doing the same

    Good night
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,524
    edited September 2021

    Your definition of wealth is too low and would see many pensioners having to sell the family homes

    I have to agree. What do you do about DB pensions which can have a value of £1m and if you exclude them what about people who don't have such a pension and have invested for their old age elsewhere (not that I am thinking of anyone in particular). That potentially has to last them 40+ years (plus the value of the house they live in)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited September 2021
    "How the war on terror changed America
    The US has spent the 20 years since 9/11 surveilling, policing and terrorising people within its own borders
    Emily Tamkin"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2021/09/how-war-terror-changed-america
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited September 2021
    kjh said:

    I have to agree. What do you do about DB pensions which can have a value of £1m and if you exclude them what about people who don't have such a pension and have invested for their old age elsewhere (not that I am thinking of anyone in particular). That potentially has to last them 40+ years (plus the value of the house they live in)
    And of course the proposition to apply NI to pensioners income does not take into account that every financial advisor for years gone by has assessed investments and advice with the fact NI does not apply when you retire

    Furthermore NI relates to state pensions not to the NHS and every pensioner pays it until they retire

    Applying it now to pensioners would see them have an immediate 12% loss of their income without warning and time to accommodate such a charge
  • rcs1000 said:

    If you buy a house as an individual, you cannot offset the mortgage interest payments against income.

    If you are a landlord (and especially if you put ownership of the property in a limited company), you can. (Albeit the system is slightly less generous than it was.)

    Even so, the effect is to mean that a landlord can pay more for a property than a private owner. That drives up prices and moves the residential stock increasingly into the hands of landlords.
    Absolutely!

    Landlords (including limited companies) should not have any advantages that private residents don't.

    Plus all limited companies should face the same taxes as other landlords.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    I take it Andrew is still not on normal Court events schedule?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,524
    edited September 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    Consistency in spelling would give your humble opinion greater weight. And what a lot of nonsense anyway, in my humble but at least I'm a fucking solicitor opinion.
    I noticed I had used both spelling, but actually I couldn't be arsed to change it. Did it change any of the meaning for you?

    I am not a solicitor. Other than some minor qualifications in common law and company law I have no legal qualifications whatsoever so I don't know where you got that idea from and hence my humble opinion as that is exactly what it is and why I sought support from one of the many legal lot on here.

    Think you are mistaking me for someone else, and being grumpy about it at that.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Thanks, but I don't think I get the lapidary reference, so perhaps I'm being teased in some sly way?
    @Leon ekes out a slender living by knapping flint dildoes. He is sometimes wrongly accused as being the alter ego of other former posters.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited September 2021
    dixiedean said:

    42% of Right to Buy properties are now rented out by private landlords.
    Many to the very Councils who sold them on the cheap.
    This is the economics of the madhouse.

    Some are part of insurance company's portfolio of investments
  • rcs1000 said:

    Being an MP pays £81,000/year.

    While that compares very poorly to the City or law, it doesn't look that great relative to being a software developer with a decade's experience, or a GP, or even a chartered accountant.

    A pedant writes, for GPs, you are thinking of partners. Salaried GPs get between £60 and £90,000 for a full week.
    https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pay/other-doctors-pay-scales/salaried-gps-pay-ranges
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,524
    Farooq said:

    Thanks, but I don't think I get the lapidary reference, so perhaps I'm being teased in some sly way?
    If you keep posting for a while you will get it, but rest assured the joke wasn't at your expense (unless you are a lapidary sex toy maker).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kjh said:

    I noticed I had used both spelling, but actually I couldn't be arsed to change it. Did it change any of the meaning for you?

    I am not a solicitor. Other than some minor qualifications in common law and company law I have no legal qualifications whatsoever so I don't know where you got that idea from and hence my humble opinion as that is exactly what it is and why I sought support from one of the many legal lot on here.

    Think you are mistaking me for someone else, and being grumpy about it at that.
    No, sorry, I'm just drunk. I just get pissed off with the mimsy silliness (not from you) which crops up on here about ooh you didn't orta say that it's libellous it will get OGH into trouble, etc, when usually a. it isn't and b. even if it is, the way the law presently is, it'll get the actual poster into trouble while OGH sleeps soundly in his bed.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,395

    A pedant writes, for GPs, you are thinking of partners. Salaried GPs get between £60 and £90,000 for a full week.
    https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pay/other-doctors-pay-scales/salaried-gps-pay-ranges
    Sure: but most GP practices are owned by the partners, with maybe one or two salaried doctors. The BMA says that the vast majority of GPs earn between £70k and £100k. Most, therefore, earn more than MPs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,516
    edited September 2021
    While Emma "Balls of Steel" Raducanu is rightly making all the headlines. Two Brits made the final of the men's double, Salisbury won it, and Salisbury goes again in the mixed double final.

    Has having a Brit in 3 finals ever happened before in the modern era?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Farooq said:

    Wait, how does that work? Housing isn't a very liquid asset, so what do insurance companies want with them?
    Yield.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Some are part of insurance company's portfolio of investments
    That's as maybe.
    The policy was intended to encourage folk to own their own home.
    Not own some other bugger's home.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MaxPB said:

    Yield.
    Never.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    While Emma "Balls of Steel" Raducanu is rightly making all the headlines. Two Brits made the final of the men's double, Salisbury won it, and Salisbury goes again in the mixed double final.

    Has having a Brit in 3 finals ever happened before in the modern era?

    On which topic. I grovel, prostrate and beg forgiveness of whoever it was tipped her for SPOTY less than a week ago.
    I was most dismissive. I don't know a lot about tennis clearly.
  • dixiedean said:

    That's as maybe.
    The policy was intended to encourage folk to own their own home.
    Not own some other bugger's home.
    Absolutely.

    If insurance companies are choosing to earn a massive profit on people's homes then they should be taxed accordingly.

    If they don't want to pay the tax, they're more than welcome to put the homes back on the market.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,524
    IshmaelZ said:

    No, sorry, I'm just drunk. I just get pissed off with the mimsy silliness (not from you) which crops up on here about ooh you didn't orta say that it's libellous it will get OGH into trouble, etc, when usually a. it isn't and b. even if it is, the way the law presently is, it'll get the actual poster into trouble while OGH sleeps soundly in his bed.
    No problem. No offence taken and thanks for coming back with that; appreciated.

    Also impressive posting for someone who is drunk, wish I could achieve that.

    As it was I was just trying to protect @HYUFD (fat lot of good it did me). As I said I am no expert, but that seemed a whooper, in your face one, for which he should be grateful that she is stuck in the states and wouldn't get a sympathetic hearing anyway.

    Stupidly he could have reworded what he said without going back on his any of his argument one bit, but he is so, so stubborn.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    edited September 2021
    HYUFD said:

    She has been charged with dangerous driving which means it was not an accident on the charges by the CPS as it would have been the dangerous driving which led to the death.

    If she is found guilty of what she is charged with had she been driving in a manner that was not dangerous then it would have been an accident.

    It doesn't mean that. It means the CPS *THINK* it was not an accident. It is only proven by a court trial.

    You almost had it with your second paragraph. Except you seem to think she's guilty before the trial.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    dixiedean said:

    I take it Andrew is still not on normal Court events schedule?

    Naughty.
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