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In the pre Thatcher era, the headline rates were high but there were many more deductions and allowances. Mortgage interest and Endowment insurance policies for example, so the actual rates were lower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I reckon in direct tax I'll be paying 60% of my salary by the end of this decade as this levy keeps on going up. That's back to the pre Thatcher era.Casino_Royale said:
And, there's no such thing as a free lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
More tax will mean some people choose to work less, take fewer risks, move to another job or none or move abroad - because every new calculation alters decisions at the margins, and it's all cumulative.
My guess is that this tax won't raise as much as it's estimated to do for those reasons, and it will also crowd out some private sector investment in other parts of the economy too - probably in R&D.
As you know via my father I know some fairly top people at Health trusts and what not.
They reckon for the next five years all this extra revenue raised will be gobbled up by the NHS and there'll be nothing left for social care.
So after 2024 this levy will be increased a lot because social care is going to be in an even worth situation because it has had no extra funds.
Social care also has a major vaccination problem and staffing problem, so salaries are likely to increase over the next few years.
There used to be different tax rates for earned and unearned income though, which used to correct for the lack of NI on unearned incomes. It went as a distinction in Thatchers time I think.1 -
Sandy! Welcome back, hope you're wellSandyRentool said:You end up with the grotesque spectacle of a Tory Chancellor, a TORY Chancellor, hiring taxis to ferry around tax demands to their own voters.
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I'm multitasking.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, UKIP seem a good deal more articulate than TSE who wrote tautologically "I'd end tuition fees in STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees."isam said:
“UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”Carnyx said:
Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.isam said:
UKIP policy!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article
I wonder if TSE can guess what the "E" in STEM might be.
If there's any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming you.0 -
I fully expect in 6-7 years the GE campaign being the Tories saying they will raise it to 2% and Labour talking about introducing new bands, of 0% through to 5%...MaxPB said:
It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.1 -
Matthew 22:20-22 refers.TheScreamingEagles said:
The correct term is tax minimisation, and my financial advisers and accountants have already been in touch about this tax.MaxPB said:
It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.
My father is a pensioner has gone back to work (part time) and he's furious that he will pay 1.25% NI whilst I'm paying 13.25% so his generation can be better off.
What sort of bright ideas do they have, as a matter of itnerest?0 -
It is certainly possible. If they were to jack up NHS Tax substantially they'd free up some room for manoeuvre to make smaller cuts elsewhere, and still claim progress towards reducing the deficit.LostPassword said:
Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that they end up increasing it sufficiently to cover the entire NHS & Social Care budget. DHSC budget was £150bn in 2019/20 and £212bn in 20/21.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
1.25% expected to raise £12bn, so it would need to be ~15.6% to raise £150bn, or ~22% to cover the 20/21 budget.
I could see it being very tempting to have a hypothecated tax to fund the NHS, as that might be more popular with the general public, as they'd know that tax was spent on the NHS and not "wasted" on whatever else the government spends money on that a particular voter objects to (Foreign Aid, Benefits, Trident, etc). So the question then becomes what taxes the government will seek to cut with (at least some of) the money raised?
Perhaps it will help to cover the expected hole in the public finances when fuel duty revenue disappears as cars switch to electricity? Perhaps we will see income tax cut (which I could sadly see being very popular, even though a switch from Income Tax to a rebadged NI would be sub-optimal for many reasons). Inheritance Tax could be abolished. Stamp Duty could be cut.
I think that's where this is heading. The government will seek to cut some taxes, to burnish its low-tax credentials and create a point of difference with Labour, and it will find it is popular to increase a hypothecated NHS tax and cut other general taxes. I'd expect to see it cut taxes that its voters dislike, as it loads more taxes on the people who don't vote Tory.
So I'd expect to see this levy increase, and to see taxes on assets (or aspiration if you will) to be cut.
IHT sounds like a fair bet for the first, or one of the first, such targets. The well-to-do pensioners landed gentry and their heirs probably hate that one more than anything else.0 -
"If there's [sic] any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming you"TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm multitasking.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, UKIP seem a good deal more articulate than TSE who wrote tautologically "I'd end tuition fees in STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees."isam said:
“UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”Carnyx said:
Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.isam said:
UKIP policy!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article
I wonder if TSE can guess what the "E" in STEM might be.
If there's any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming you.
If there are any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming your University.
That is what you do when you see a cv, it seems.0 -
I back IHTpigeon said:
It is certainly possible. If they were to jack up NHS Tax substantially they'd free up some room for manoeuvre to make smaller cuts elsewhere, and still claim progress towards reducing the deficit.LostPassword said:
Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that they end up increasing it sufficiently to cover the entire NHS & Social Care budget. DHSC budget was £150bn in 2019/20 and £212bn in 20/21.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
1.25% expected to raise £12bn, so it would need to be ~15.6% to raise £150bn, or ~22% to cover the 20/21 budget.
I could see it being very tempting to have a hypothecated tax to fund the NHS, as that might be more popular with the general public, as they'd know that tax was spent on the NHS and not "wasted" on whatever else the government spends money on that a particular voter objects to (Foreign Aid, Benefits, Trident, etc). So the question then becomes what taxes the government will seek to cut with (at least some of) the money raised?
Perhaps it will help to cover the expected hole in the public finances when fuel duty revenue disappears as cars switch to electricity? Perhaps we will see income tax cut (which I could sadly see being very popular, even though a switch from Income Tax to a rebadged NI would be sub-optimal for many reasons). Inheritance Tax could be abolished. Stamp Duty could be cut.
I think that's where this is heading. The government will seek to cut some taxes, to burnish its low-tax credentials and create a point of difference with Labour, and it will find it is popular to increase a hypothecated NHS tax and cut other general taxes. I'd expect to see it cut taxes that its voters dislike, as it loads more taxes on the people who don't vote Tory.
So I'd expect to see this levy increase, and to see taxes on assets (or aspiration if you will) to be cut.
IHT sounds like a fair bet for the first, or one of the first, such targets. The well-to-do pensioners landed gentry and their heirs probably hate that one more than anything else.
However, perversely none of the political parties or the general public back using property to pay for social care0 -
I see England are running Kane et al into the ground. Now they are ahead, get Kane off.
Loads of talent on the bench to see out the game.0 -
I'm not sure exactly, I did hear that there might be some benefit in transferring some of your salary into benefits in kind, but I may have misread.Carnyx said:
Matthew 22:20-22 refers.TheScreamingEagles said:
The correct term is tax minimisation, and my financial advisers and accountants have already been in touch about this tax.MaxPB said:
It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.
My father is a pensioner has gone back to work (part time) and he's furious that he will pay 1.25% NI whilst I'm paying 13.25% so his generation can be better off.
What sort of bright ideas do they have, as a matter of itnerest?
It is a work in progress, I suspect they'll have some policies sorted out well before the tax kicks in next April.1 -
"The TSE series is the most reliable computer ever made. No TSE computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, fool-proof and incapable of error."TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm multitasking.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, UKIP seem a good deal more articulate than TSE who wrote tautologically "I'd end tuition fees in STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees."isam said:
“UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”Carnyx said:
Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.isam said:
UKIP policy!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article
I wonder if TSE can guess what the "E" in STEM might be.
If there's any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming you.0 -
Autocorrect baby.YBarddCwsc said:
"If there's [sic] any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming you"TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm multitasking.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, UKIP seem a good deal more articulate than TSE who wrote tautologically "I'd end tuition fees in STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees."isam said:
“UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”Carnyx said:
Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.isam said:
UKIP policy!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article
I wonder if TSE can guess what the "E" in STEM might be.
If there's any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming you.
If there are any errors in the morning thread I'm blaming your University.
That is what you do when you see a cv, it seems.0 -
I don't think Britons thicker than other nations, or at least would be reticent in suggesting it. 40-50% going on the tertiary degrees is not out of line with other developed nations, and even developing countries often educate 20% to that level. An educated workforce is a key to economic success in the modern world.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
The problem of British Universities is not the numbers of students going, it is the crap courses with minimal contact time that the Universities run.4 -
Yeah my own dad was pretty scathing this evening that the working poor are being taxed to pay for his own generation being spared any insurance costs or taxes.TheScreamingEagles said:
The correct term is tax minimisation, and my financial advisers and accountants have already been in touch about this tax.MaxPB said:
It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.
My father is a pensioner has gone back to work (part time) and he's furious that he will pay 1.25% NI whilst I'm paying 13.25% so his generation can be better off.
He is for the first time in his life contemplating a Labour vote.1 -
I didn't know I'd been away!CorrectHorseBattery said:
Sandy! Welcome back, hope you're wellSandyRentool said:You end up with the grotesque spectacle of a Tory Chancellor, a TORY Chancellor, hiring taxis to ferry around tax demands to their own voters.
And yes, I am well. I hope you are too, Comrade.0 -
Dan Hodges ( I know)
Reshuffle speculation mounting tonight0 -
Your final sentence nails it.Foxy said:
I don't think Britons thicker than other nations, or at least would be reticent in suggesting it. 40-50% going on the tertiary degrees is not out of line with other developed nations, and even developing countries often educate 20% to that level. An educated workforce is a key to economic success in the modern world.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
The problem of British Universities is not the numbers of students going, it is the crap courses with minimal contact time that the Universities run.1 -
You can make a case for that stance being immoral, but not necessarily perverse.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I back IHTpigeon said:
It is certainly possible. If they were to jack up NHS Tax substantially they'd free up some room for manoeuvre to make smaller cuts elsewhere, and still claim progress towards reducing the deficit.LostPassword said:
Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that they end up increasing it sufficiently to cover the entire NHS & Social Care budget. DHSC budget was £150bn in 2019/20 and £212bn in 20/21.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
1.25% expected to raise £12bn, so it would need to be ~15.6% to raise £150bn, or ~22% to cover the 20/21 budget.
I could see it being very tempting to have a hypothecated tax to fund the NHS, as that might be more popular with the general public, as they'd know that tax was spent on the NHS and not "wasted" on whatever else the government spends money on that a particular voter objects to (Foreign Aid, Benefits, Trident, etc). So the question then becomes what taxes the government will seek to cut with (at least some of) the money raised?
Perhaps it will help to cover the expected hole in the public finances when fuel duty revenue disappears as cars switch to electricity? Perhaps we will see income tax cut (which I could sadly see being very popular, even though a switch from Income Tax to a rebadged NI would be sub-optimal for many reasons). Inheritance Tax could be abolished. Stamp Duty could be cut.
I think that's where this is heading. The government will seek to cut some taxes, to burnish its low-tax credentials and create a point of difference with Labour, and it will find it is popular to increase a hypothecated NHS tax and cut other general taxes. I'd expect to see it cut taxes that its voters dislike, as it loads more taxes on the people who don't vote Tory.
So I'd expect to see this levy increase, and to see taxes on assets (or aspiration if you will) to be cut.
IHT sounds like a fair bet for the first, or one of the first, such targets. The well-to-do pensioners landed gentry and their heirs probably hate that one more than anything else.
However, perversely none of the political parties or the general public back using property to pay for social care
Assets are hard to accrue, and will become steadily more valuable - and more jealously guarded - as asset prices continue to inflate whilst earned incomes are taxed to kingdom come.
The people who benefit from control of assets are disproportionately elderly property owners, and middle aged mortgage payers who expect to inherit substantial estates. These groups are large and they are much more enthusiastic about voting than younger people, so it's no surprise if the politicians are inclined to butter them up if they want to be successful.
If NHS Tax spirals out of control whilst taxes on property are slashed or abolished, we should not be surprised at all.1 -
In answer to your previous comments, I continue to identify as male.CorrectHorseBattery said://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1434868457980444676
If I do decide to embrace my feminine animus, I shall signal the change by changing my name to Vixen.
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I think if a course is rubbish you should get a refundTheScreamingEagles said:
Your final sentence nails it.Foxy said:
I don't think Britons thicker than other nations, or at least would be reticent in suggesting it. 40-50% going on the tertiary degrees is not out of line with other developed nations, and even developing countries often educate 20% to that level. An educated workforce is a key to economic success in the modern world.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
The problem of British Universities is not the numbers of students going, it is the crap courses with minimal contact time that the Universities run.0 -
LATEST Senior Government sources confirming to me tonight there is definitely NO Cabinet reshuffle tomorrow. Put your phones back on silent everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:Dan Hodges ( I know)
Reshuffle speculation mounting tonight
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/14357034650330521600 -
Sorry for my mistake, Foxy.Foxy said:
In answer to your previous comments, I continue to identify as male.CorrectHorseBattery said://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1434868457980444676
If I do decide to embrace my feminine animus, I shall signal the change by changing my name to Vixen.
🦊
Hope you are otherwise well, Sir0 -
The latter ended up at 98%.Foxy said:
In the pre Thatcher era, the headline rates were high but there were many more deductions and allowances. Mortgage interest and Endowment insurance policies for example, so the actual rates were lower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I reckon in direct tax I'll be paying 60% of my salary by the end of this decade as this levy keeps on going up. That's back to the pre Thatcher era.Casino_Royale said:
And, there's no such thing as a free lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
More tax will mean some people choose to work less, take fewer risks, move to another job or none or move abroad - because every new calculation alters decisions at the margins, and it's all cumulative.
My guess is that this tax won't raise as much as it's estimated to do for those reasons, and it will also crowd out some private sector investment in other parts of the economy too - probably in R&D.
As you know via my father I know some fairly top people at Health trusts and what not.
They reckon for the next five years all this extra revenue raised will be gobbled up by the NHS and there'll be nothing left for social care.
So after 2024 this levy will be increased a lot because social care is going to be in an even worth situation because it has had no extra funds.
Social care also has a major vaccination problem and staffing problem, so salaries are likely to increase over the next few years.
There used to be different tax rates for earned and unearned income though, which used to correct for the lack of NI on unearned incomes. It went as a distinction in Thatchers time I think.0 -
"@EuropeElects
Germany, Allensbach poll:
SPD-S&D: 27% (+3)
CDU/CSU-EPP: 25% (-1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 15.5% (-1.5)
AfD-ID: 11% (+0.5)
FDP-RE: 9.5% (-1)
LINKE-LEFT: 6%
+/- vs. 18-26 Aug
Fieldwork: 1-7 September 2021
Sample size: 1,258"0 -
Yup, it would definitely bankrupt the University of Oxford, so I support this policy.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I think if a course is rubbish you should get a refundTheScreamingEagles said:
Your final sentence nails it.Foxy said:
I don't think Britons thicker than other nations, or at least would be reticent in suggesting it. 40-50% going on the tertiary degrees is not out of line with other developed nations, and even developing countries often educate 20% to that level. An educated workforce is a key to economic success in the modern world.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
The problem of British Universities is not the numbers of students going, it is the crap courses with minimal contact time that the Universities run.1 -
Poland equaliser0
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The wealthiest part of the country, (I think).CorrectHorseBattery said:Big up South West London!
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We send £20 a week to each child in the country, let's fund our NHS instead.Leon said:
Yes. The worst aspect of this is the invention of a whole new tax. Not only that, a tax dedicated to an inviolable God, the NHS, who can only be propitiated, never ignored (let alone neglected)TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I reckon in direct tax I'll be paying 60% of my salary by the end of this decade as this levy keeps on going up. That's back to the pre Thatcher era.Casino_Royale said:
And, there's no such thing as a free lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
More tax will mean some people choose to work less, take fewer risks, move to another job or none or move abroad - because every new calculation alters decisions at the margins, and it's all cumulative.
My guess is that this tax won't raise as much as it's estimated to do for those reasons, and it will also crowd out some private sector investment in other parts of the economy too - probably in R&D.
As you know via my father I know some fairly top people at Health trusts and what not.
They reckon for the next five years all this extra revenue raised will be gobbled up by the NHS and there'll be nothing left for social care.
So after 2024 this levy will be increased a lot because social care is going to be in an even worth situation because it has had no extra funds.
Social care also has a major vaccination problem and staffing problem, so salaries are likely to increase over the next few years.
Paying this NHS levy for Brits, will be like paying the Gods with blood, for the Aztecs.
With the Aztecs it started with the odd live human sacrifice on sacred days, and it ended - literally - with the rich buying babies from the poor, just to kill them, and weekends of orgiastic sacrificial murder when the streets of Tenochtitlan ran ‘ankle deep’ in human gore
That’s the future of the British economy0 -
Agree, but you're talking about an instrumentalist, skills-based, vocational education, which is needed for some jobs. But education shouldn't just be about training for a job. And anyway, the thickest of the thick students I ever came across were nearly always doing business studies or computing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
I'm talking about a love of learning, a thirst for knowledge, a world in which lorry drivers may wish to study Jane Austen at evening class, or care workers philosophy. Which reminds me, it was under Thatcher that some universities were pressurised into reducing or cutting out their philosophy courses. I hate the instrumentalist, every course must lead to a job discourse that dominates these days. But then I'm an idealist. We're talking at cross purposes really.2 -
I'm on board with this.Carnyx said:
Hmm. Tough on classicists and linguists. Do we have enough of the former and no need for the latter?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
No problem with people doing classics. Don't really see what the state should for it though.
And we need linguists, sure, but I'd suggest there are far cheaper ways of becoming proficient in a foreign language, and that language degrees quickly get bogged down in.literature because there's not that much language left to study. People with A Levels in a language always seem fluent to me. (This from someone who did not get past GCSE German and for whom the ability to speak in a foreign language seems as bizarre and unobtainable as the ability to levitate - so I may be a bit off here.)1 -
Who knows, but the rumours have done their job of making the minions pliant for a key vote, and only a fool would throw away that power unnecessarily.Scott_xP said:
LATEST Senior Government sources confirming to me tonight there is definitely NO Cabinet reshuffle tomorrow. Put your phones back on silent everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:Dan Hodges ( I know)
Reshuffle speculation mounting tonight
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1435703465033052160
Terrible as he is, Boris gets "Leader of the gang" dynamics.0 -
Anima.Foxy said:
In answer to your previous comments, I continue to identify as male.CorrectHorseBattery said://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1434868457980444676
If I do decide to embrace my feminine animus, I shall signal the change by changing my name to Vixen.
🦊
You're welcome.1 -
Your principles might not be the same as other peoples..Philip_Thompson said:
Who are the 5 Tories with principles?Big_G_NorthWales said:
5 conservatives voted against, 37 abstained as well as 21 Labour mpskle4 said:
That'd be terrible if so. Of course it is usually true, but you still have to play your part and you might get lucky, or at least give the government a spool - equally so some Tory potential rebel could claim they saw loads of opposition not there so knew there was no point in being brave and so chickened out.pigeon said:
I can't find out who the missing opposition voters were, but I would assume that the SNP were whipped against it as the NI changes clearly affect Scotland and they have been complaining about them vociferously.ydoethur said:
Did the SNP vote?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They were only 9 from their majority so how is that compatible, without pairing possiblyHYUFD said:
So a clear majority for the Government for the NI rise but 44 Tory MPs either voted against the proposals or abstainedBig_G_NorthWales said:319 v 248 majority of 71
It looks more like about 50 opposition MPs simply declined to turn up, the majority of them probably because they had concluded that the Government was bound to win the vote.
Remarkable that of the 2 manifesto breaches more Tory MPs chose to stand up for giving billions more away to foreign countries and aid organisations, than stood up against increasing taxes by billions.0 -
A second poll with the government re-elected with a majority.Andy_JS said:"@EuropeElects
Germany, Allensbach poll:
SPD-S&D: 27% (+3)
CDU/CSU-EPP: 25% (-1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 15.5% (-1.5)
AfD-ID: 11% (+0.5)
FDP-RE: 9.5% (-1)
LINKE-LEFT: 6%
+/- vs. 18-26 Aug
Fieldwork: 1-7 September 2021
Sample size: 1,258"0 -
Yes, in 1974, when the Tories were in power, but only on investment income over £20 000, equivalent to £210 000 today. Like I said, there were many allowances and deductions.MattW said:
The latter ended up at 98%.Foxy said:
In the pre Thatcher era, the headline rates were high but there were many more deductions and allowances. Mortgage interest and Endowment insurance policies for example, so the actual rates were lower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I reckon in direct tax I'll be paying 60% of my salary by the end of this decade as this levy keeps on going up. That's back to the pre Thatcher era.Casino_Royale said:
And, there's no such thing as a free lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
More tax will mean some people choose to work less, take fewer risks, move to another job or none or move abroad - because every new calculation alters decisions at the margins, and it's all cumulative.
My guess is that this tax won't raise as much as it's estimated to do for those reasons, and it will also crowd out some private sector investment in other parts of the economy too - probably in R&D.
As you know via my father I know some fairly top people at Health trusts and what not.
They reckon for the next five years all this extra revenue raised will be gobbled up by the NHS and there'll be nothing left for social care.
So after 2024 this levy will be increased a lot because social care is going to be in an even worth situation because it has had no extra funds.
Social care also has a major vaccination problem and staffing problem, so salaries are likely to increase over the next few years.
There used to be different tax rates for earned and unearned income though, which used to correct for the lack of NI on unearned incomes. It went as a distinction in Thatchers time I think.
The Top rate of income tax was near 90% for much of the post war period. There were similar rates in other countries including the USA. Which had marginal rates of 90%, and a top rate of 70% as recently as 1982. Interestingly these very high rates did coincide with the golden period of post war economic growth.0 -
Yes. I seem to remember OGH's son studied Philosophy. I think he's done ok for himself.Northern_Al said:
Agree, but you're talking about an instrumentalist, skills-based, vocational education, which is needed for some jobs. But education shouldn't just be about training for a job. And anyway, the thickest of the thick students I ever came across were nearly always doing business studies or computing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
I'm talking about a love of learning, a thirst for knowledge, a world in which lorry drivers may wish to study Jane Austen at evening class, or care workers philosophy. Which reminds me, it was under Thatcher that some universities were pressurised into reducing or cutting out their philosophy courses. I hate the instrumentalist, every course must lead to a job discourse that dominates these days. But then I'm an idealist. We're talking at cross purposes really.0 -
What's your going rate?Leon said:
No, your sister’s. When she has enough cashCorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?Leon said:
If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksuckerCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.Casino_Royale said:
Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?CorrectHorseBattery said:TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites
And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever0 -
Try hitching round Szechuan with A level Chinese.Cookie said:
I'm on board with this.Carnyx said:
Hmm. Tough on classicists and linguists. Do we have enough of the former and no need for the latter?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
No problem with people doing classics. Don't really see what the state should for it though.
And we need linguists, sure, but I'd suggest there are far cheaper ways of becoming proficient in a foreign language, and that language degrees quickly get bogged down in.literature because there's not that much language left to study. People with A Levels in a language always seem fluent to me. (This from someone who did not get past GCSE German and for whom the ability to speak in a foreign language seems as bizarre and unobtainable as the ability to levitate - so I may be a bit off here.)0 -
This firm usually gives the main two parties higher percentages compared to the other pollsters. Not sure why.dixiedean said:
A second poll with the government re-elected with a majority.Andy_JS said:"@EuropeElects
Germany, Allensbach poll:
SPD-S&D: 27% (+3)
CDU/CSU-EPP: 25% (-1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 15.5% (-1.5)
AfD-ID: 11% (+0.5)
FDP-RE: 9.5% (-1)
LINKE-LEFT: 6%
+/- vs. 18-26 Aug
Fieldwork: 1-7 September 2021
Sample size: 1,258"0 -
One of the primary reasons I've done well in life is I had a fantastic education, I want everyone in the country to have that experience.Northern_Al said:
Agree, but you're talking about an instrumentalist, skills-based, vocational education, which is needed for some jobs. But education shouldn't just be about training for a job. And anyway, the thickest of the thick students I ever came across were nearly always doing business studies or computing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
I'm talking about a love of learning, a thirst for knowledge, a world in which lorry drivers may wish to study Jane Austen at evening class, or care workers philosophy. Which reminds me, it was under Thatcher that some universities were pressurised into reducing or cutting out their philosophy courses. I hate the instrumentalist, every course must lead to a job discourse that dominates these days. But then I'm an idealist. We're talking at cross purposes really.
What most people get isn't that and the ones that go to university end up with a lot of debt.
I want that to end.0 -
Yep, I'm going to be minimising tax as far as possible. Following this change I've already made adjustments (more holiday, more sal sacrifice stuff) to make sure that the Government is going to get less tax from me this year than they would have otherwise.MaxPB said:
It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.1 -
Well I agree with your final paragraph Foxy.Foxy said:
I don't think Britons thicker than other nations, or at least would be reticent in suggesting it. 40-50% going on the tertiary degrees is not out of line with other developed nations, and even developing countries often educate 20% to that level. An educated workforce is a key to economic success in the modern world.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
The problem of British Universities is not the numbers of students going, it is the crap courses with minimal contact time that the Universities run.
And I'd argue that most degrees leave the educatee less ready for a job than had they spent the three years working.
But we're often told that British universities consistently rank among the best in the world. And foreign students to to seem to want to pay for the experience.
So I must admit I'm puzzled.
On which subject, while I'm as in favour of learning for its own sake as the next man, having half of our youth spending a whole three years of their life learning for its own sake does seem a bit of an indulgence in a world in which we are being steadily bought by less self-indulgent nations.0 -
Quite. I actually think that the quality of education is more important than what you study for most jobs that don't require specific technical or scientific skills and knowledge. Somebody who has been taught history well and is good at it will be much more employable than somebody who has been taught a vocational subject badly.CatMan said:
Yes. I seem to remember OGH's son studied Philosophy. I think he's done ok for himself.Northern_Al said:
Agree, but you're talking about an instrumentalist, skills-based, vocational education, which is needed for some jobs. But education shouldn't just be about training for a job. And anyway, the thickest of the thick students I ever came across were nearly always doing business studies or computing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
I'm talking about a love of learning, a thirst for knowledge, a world in which lorry drivers may wish to study Jane Austen at evening class, or care workers philosophy. Which reminds me, it was under Thatcher that some universities were pressurised into reducing or cutting out their philosophy courses. I hate the instrumentalist, every course must lead to a job discourse that dominates these days. But then I'm an idealist. We're talking at cross purposes really.0 -
That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.4
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Snobbery against degree is one of the worst aspects of modern British life.Northern_Al said:
Quite. I actually think that the quality of education is more important than what you study for most jobs that don't require specific technical or scientific skills and knowledge. Somebody who has been taught history well and is good at it will be much more employable than somebody who has been taught a vocational subject badly.CatMan said:
Yes. I seem to remember OGH's son studied Philosophy. I think he's done ok for himself.Northern_Al said:
Agree, but you're talking about an instrumentalist, skills-based, vocational education, which is needed for some jobs. But education shouldn't just be about training for a job. And anyway, the thickest of the thick students I ever came across were nearly always doing business studies or computing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
I'm talking about a love of learning, a thirst for knowledge, a world in which lorry drivers may wish to study Jane Austen at evening class, or care workers philosophy. Which reminds me, it was under Thatcher that some universities were pressurised into reducing or cutting out their philosophy courses. I hate the instrumentalist, every course must lead to a job discourse that dominates these days. But then I'm an idealist. We're talking at cross purposes really.0 -
Hah, you sound like my wife (history graduate from UCL)! She's a senior anti-money laundering person at an investment fund these days so there's a lot of truth to what you say.Northern_Al said:
Quite. I actually think that the quality of education is more important than what you study for most jobs that don't require specific technical or scientific skills and knowledge. Somebody who has been taught history well and is good at it will be much more employable than somebody who has been taught a vocational subject badly.CatMan said:
Yes. I seem to remember OGH's son studied Philosophy. I think he's done ok for himself.Northern_Al said:
Agree, but you're talking about an instrumentalist, skills-based, vocational education, which is needed for some jobs. But education shouldn't just be about training for a job. And anyway, the thickest of the thick students I ever came across were nearly always doing business studies or computing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
I'm talking about a love of learning, a thirst for knowledge, a world in which lorry drivers may wish to study Jane Austen at evening class, or care workers philosophy. Which reminds me, it was under Thatcher that some universities were pressurised into reducing or cutting out their philosophy courses. I hate the instrumentalist, every course must lead to a job discourse that dominates these days. But then I'm an idealist. We're talking at cross purposes really.1 -
The NHS can never have enough money in the eyes of the administrators in the trough and the ignorant public. At this point 40%+ of Govt. expenditure is spent by the DHSC, and we're fast becoming a money bonfire fuelled NHS with a country attached. Much like Prussia was an army with a country attached.FrancisUrquhart said:
I fully expect in 6-7 years the GE campaign being the Tories saying they will raise it to 2% and Labour talking about introducing new bands, of 0% through to 5%...MaxPB said:
It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.
Some of the stories I hear from my mates who work in the NHS are shocking, if anyone was serious about fixing the NHS they'd abolish most of the regional trusts, run procurement centrally (instead of the ridiculous duplication of roles and intra-NHS bidding wars), and execute IT staff and contractors until they get to a point where all the English NHS use the same software.2 -
Maybe but Southgate bringing on Williamson as a late sub for centre half was a huge mistake.Stuartinromford said:
Who knows, but the rumours have done their job of making the minions pliant for a key vote, and only a fool would throw away that power unnecessarily.Scott_xP said:
LATEST Senior Government sources confirming to me tonight there is definitely NO Cabinet reshuffle tomorrow. Put your phones back on silent everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:Dan Hodges ( I know)
Reshuffle speculation mounting tonight
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1435703465033052160
Terrible as he is, Boris gets "Leader of the gang" dynamics.
Rumours he was looking for Rashford when the goal went in are being denied but …0 -
Dismounting is easy, you just need to run quicker than 1 other person.Stuartinromford said:
The Conservative Party knew who they were electing when they made Johnson their leader. If they didn't, they weren't paying attention.Scott_xP said:Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”
Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”
The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”
🤷🏻♂️
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367
I see Tissue Price voted for it too
They chose to ride the tiger anyway, because of his election-winning powers. (Most voters don't actually know Boris the Man, why should they, and Boris the Show is attractive.)
And riding a tiger is great fun, until you want to dismount.0 -
These MPs don't have much backbone do they. If you don't like something, vote against it.Scott_xP said:Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”
Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”
The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”
🤷🏻♂️
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367
I see Tissue Price voted for it too0 -
The polls get worse and worse for the CDU.0
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It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.0
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Dissed him to my mates at 21:01, humble pie consumed at 21:21….FrancisUrquhart said:I see England are running Kane et al into the ground. Now they are ahead, get Kane off.
Loads of talent on the bench to see out the game.1 -
I genuinely thought nothing could match the sheer bloody bonkerdom of nurses dancing around hospital beds at London 2012 but just maybe there is another peak to come.Chameleon said:
The NHS can never have enough money in the eyes of the administrators in the trough and the ignorant public. At this point 40%+ of Govt. expenditure is spent by the DHSC, and we're fast becoming a money bonfire fuelled NHS with a country attached. Much like Prussia was an army with a country attached.FrancisUrquhart said:
I fully expect in 6-7 years the GE campaign being the Tories saying they will raise it to 2% and Labour talking about introducing new bands, of 0% through to 5%...MaxPB said:
It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.
Some of the stories I hear from my mates who work in the NHS are shocking, if anyone was serious about fixing the NHS they'd abolish most of the regional trusts, run procurement centrally (instead of the ridiculous duplication of roles and intra-NHS bidding wars), and execute IT staff and contractors until they get to a point where all the English NHS use the same software.1 -
At this rate the SPD could conceivably get some really big momentum and finish on 33-37% with the only available government being the a grand coalition with the Union in the junior role.williamglenn said:The polls get worse and worse for the CDU.
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If Mr Johnson has got it wrong, they're for dinner ...Andy_JS said:
These MPs don't have much backbone do they. If you don't like something, vote against it.Scott_xP said:Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”
Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”
The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”
🤷🏻♂️
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367
I see Tissue Price voted for it too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69OLjRoNcs0 -
I think the Union might prefer to go into opposition, which means it'll be SPD plus Green plus hopefully the FDP rather than Linke.MaxPB said:
At this rate the SPD could conceivably get some really big momentum and finish on 33-37% with the only available government being the a grand coalition with the Union in the junior role.williamglenn said:The polls get worse and worse for the CDU.
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Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways0 -
Did exactly the same. Contributing absolutely nothing. Oh, he’s scored.sarissa said:
Dissed him to my mates at 21:01, humble pie consumed at 21:21….FrancisUrquhart said:I see England are running Kane et al into the ground. Now they are ahead, get Kane off.
Loads of talent on the bench to see out the game.0 -
If that ended up being the result I suspect Soder would take the CSU into opposition anywayMaxPB said:
At this rate the SPD could conceivably get some really big momentum and finish on 33-37% with the only available government being the a grand coalition with the Union in the junior role.williamglenn said:The polls get worse and worse for the CDU.
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Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways1 -
It’s pathetic. Anyone with any sense should have given up on party politics long ago. It’s a house full of craven cowards.Andy_JS said:
These MPs don't have much backbone do they. If you don't like something, vote against it.Scott_xP said:Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”
Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”
The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”
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https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367
I see Tissue Price voted for it too0 -
No problem! No reason to know my pronouns, and they don't really matter much to me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Sorry for my mistake, Foxy.Foxy said:
In answer to your previous comments, I continue to identify as male.CorrectHorseBattery said://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1434868457980444676
If I do decide to embrace my feminine animus, I shall signal the change by changing my name to Vixen.
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Hope you are otherwise well, Sir0 -
"Well to be fair they have been in power for 16 years, it is hardly that surprising they cannot sustain that forever"HYUFD said:
Well to be fair they have been in power for 16 years, it is hardly that surprising they cannot sustain that foreverAndy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
Finally, something that gives me optimism about British politics! Now we just beed the LDs to become relevant again.0 -
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives0 -
Your party will have been in power for 14 years by the next election, while you cheer the loss of voters . . . 🤔HYUFD said:
Well to be fair they have been in power for 16 years, it is hardly that surprising they cannot sustain that foreverAndy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
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I'm not happy about it, but I have sympathy for the MPs. After all, what are Rory Stewart, David Gauke, etc, doing these days?Anabobazina said:
It’s pathetic. Anyone with any sense should have given up on party politics long ago. It’s a house full of craven cowards.Andy_JS said:
These MPs don't have much backbone do they. If you don't like something, vote against it.Scott_xP said:Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”
Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”
The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”
🤷🏻♂️
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367
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So as a Councillor in the South what is your policy to fix that problem?HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents
Or is your attitude to just have no solution?0 -
Preserving their dignityLostPassword said:I'm not happy about it, but I have sympathy for the MPs. After all, what are Rory Stewart, David Gauke, etc, doing these days?
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Tighten immigration laws to reduce demand, reduce foreign investment into London property, restrict new affordable homes for first time buyers to those who have lived in the local area for 7 years or morePhilip_Thompson said:
So as a Councillor in the South what is your policy to fix that problem?HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents
Or is your attitude to just have no solution?0 -
The rankings are mostly based on research, which is often quite removed from the undergraduate experience. Indeed research rankings are very much based on postgraduates, who often are foreign graduates.Cookie said:
Well I agree with your final paragraph Foxy.Foxy said:
I don't think Britons thicker than other nations, or at least would be reticent in suggesting it. 40-50% going on the tertiary degrees is not out of line with other developed nations, and even developing countries often educate 20% to that level. An educated workforce is a key to economic success in the modern world.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
The problem of British Universities is not the numbers of students going, it is the crap courses with minimal contact time that the Universities run.
And I'd argue that most degrees leave the educatee less ready for a job than had they spent the three years working.
But we're often told that British universities consistently rank among the best in the world. And foreign students to to seem to want to pay for the experience.
So I must admit I'm puzzled.
On which subject, while I'm as in favour of learning for its own sake as the next man, having half of our youth spending a whole three years of their life learning for its own sake does seem a bit of an indulgence in a world in which we are being steadily bought by less self-indulgent nations.0 -
We should maybe hold back on allowing assisted suicide if we can't agree on a route to fund care.0
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Every party needs to go into opposition for a period to refresh itself, no democracy should be a one party statePhilip_Thompson said:
Your party will have been in power for 14 years by the next election, while you cheer the loss of voters . . . 🤔HYUFD said:
Well to be fair they have been in power for 16 years, it is hardly that surprising they cannot sustain that foreverAndy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
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Do remember that others are 10% in that poll, so you only need 45% to get a majority, not 50%. And if Linke failed to make the cut, then you'd only need 42.5%. And that'd be a fairly easy SPD + Green coalition.MaxPB said:
At this rate the SPD could conceivably get some really big momentum and finish on 33-37% with the only available government being the a grand coalition with the Union in the junior role.williamglenn said:The polls get worse and worse for the CDU.
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That's a very different poll from the others - in particular CDU/CSU are high, and FDP low.Andy_JS said:"@EuropeElects
Germany, Allensbach poll:
SPD-S&D: 27% (+3)
CDU/CSU-EPP: 25% (-1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 15.5% (-1.5)
AfD-ID: 11% (+0.5)
FDP-RE: 9.5% (-1)
LINKE-LEFT: 6%
+/- vs. 18-26 Aug
Fieldwork: 1-7 September 2021
Sample size: 1,258"1 -
Their problem is that they're no longer Merkel's party. I think they'd be solid if she was sticking around.Andy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
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You're impoverishing the working poor to protect your inheritance. Feel guilty.HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives
I've said from the beginning the tax should be raised by merging NI and income tax and keeping the £12.5k threshold. That means low income pensioners would see no tax rises, the working poor would see a tax reduction and pensioners on middle income, those who can afford it, would see a tax rise. I'd also tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
Once again, your solution is to tax the working poor to allow rich old people to pass their assets on to their middle aged children who are already well off. You stand to benefit from it so you're in favour. It's the ultimate act of selfishness to be in favour of a tax on the poor to protect your future wealth.2 -
They are very much Merkel's party, Laschet is her anointed heir.Theuniondivvie said:
Their problem is that they're no longer Merkel's party. I think they'd be solid if she was sticking around.Andy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
Had they been led by the more conservative Soder by contrast polls show they would be doing rather better
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In spite of three years of intensive vocational training I became neither a philosopher, politician nor economist. I remember opining late one evening, to anyone who could be bothered to listen, that in an ideal society factory workers would have a university education. And, sure enough, two years later I found myself working in a factory.Foxy said:
The rankings are mostly based on research, which is often quite removed from the undergraduate experience. Indeed research rankings are very much based on postgraduates, who often are foreign graduates.Cookie said:
Well I agree with your final paragraph Foxy.Foxy said:
I don't think Britons thicker than other nations, or at least would be reticent in suggesting it. 40-50% going on the tertiary degrees is not out of line with other developed nations, and even developing countries often educate 20% to that level. An educated workforce is a key to economic success in the modern world.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.Northern_Al said:
I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.tlg86 said:
Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.pigeon said:
Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.Big_G_NorthWales said:It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge
It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500
Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.
It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.
Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.
Degrees the country really needs
And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
The problem of British Universities is not the numbers of students going, it is the crap courses with minimal contact time that the Universities run.
And I'd argue that most degrees leave the educatee less ready for a job than had they spent the three years working.
But we're often told that British universities consistently rank among the best in the world. And foreign students to to seem to want to pay for the experience.
So I must admit I'm puzzled.
On which subject, while I'm as in favour of learning for its own sake as the next man, having half of our youth spending a whole three years of their life learning for its own sake does seem a bit of an indulgence in a world in which we are being steadily bought by less self-indulgent nations.5 -
No I am not, 1.25% NI for the NHS and social care is hardly impoverishment.MaxPB said:
You're impoverishing the working poor to protect your inheritance. Feel guilty.HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives
I've said from the beginning the tax should be raised by merging NI and income tax and keeping the £12.5k threshold. That means low income pensioners would see no tax rises, the working poor would see a tax reduction and pensioners on middle income, those who can afford it, would see a tax rise. I'd also tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
Once again, your solution is to tax the working poor to allow rich old people to pass their assets on to their middle aged children who are already well off. You stand to benefit from it so you're in favour. It's the ultimate act of selfishness to be in favour of a tax on the poor to protect your future wealth.
You don't pay NI or income tax for earnings under £10,000 either.
NI should be kept and ringfenced for the state pension, JSA and healthcare as it was originally set up to do.
You are also wrong. Most children and grandchildren of property owners in the South and London on average incomes need an inheritance to buy property, they are not asset wise well off. Most under 40s in the North and Midlands however can buy their own properties even on an average income with few problems and without assistance as house prices are so much cheaper north of the Watford gap0 -
Just catching up, but I thought I ought to welcome @Philip_Thompson to the club.2
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I am sure Sir Ed is preparing both your gold card LD memberships as we speakRichard_Nabavi said:Just catching up, but I thought I ought to welcome @Philip_Thompson to the club.
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So what? People voted and would still vote for Merkel, they won't for Laschet no matter how anointed he is.HYUFD said:
They are very much Merkel's party, Laschet is her anointed heir.Theuniondivvie said:
Their problem is that they're no longer Merkel's party. I think they'd be solid if she was sticking around.Andy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
Had they been led by the more conservative Soder by contrast polls show they would be doing rather better0 -
Class 1 NI starts at a threshold of £6240 annual income.HYUFD said:
No I am not, 1.25% NI for the NHS and social care is hardly impoverishment.MaxPB said:
You're impoverishing the working poor to protect your inheritance. Feel guilty.HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives
I've said from the beginning the tax should be raised by merging NI and income tax and keeping the £12.5k threshold. That means low income pensioners would see no tax rises, the working poor would see a tax reduction and pensioners on middle income, those who can afford it, would see a tax rise. I'd also tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
Once again, your solution is to tax the working poor to allow rich old people to pass their assets on to their middle aged children who are already well off. You stand to benefit from it so you're in favour. It's the ultimate act of selfishness to be in favour of a tax on the poor to protect your future wealth.
You don't pay NI or income tax for earnings under £10,000 either.
NI should be kept and ringfenced for the state pension, JSA and healthcare as it was originally set up to do.
You are also wrong. Most children and grandchildren of property owners in the South and London on average incomes need an inheritance to buy property, they are not asset wise well off. Most under 40s in the North and Midlands however can buy their own properties even on an average income with few problems and without assistance as house prices are so much cheaper north of the Watford gap0 -
For someone earning £25k with kids losing £200 from their pay is not going to be easy to afford.HYUFD said:
No I am not, 1.25% NI for the NHS and social care is hardly impoverishment.MaxPB said:
You're impoverishing the working poor to protect your inheritance. Feel guilty.HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives
I've said from the beginning the tax should be raised by merging NI and income tax and keeping the £12.5k threshold. That means low income pensioners would see no tax rises, the working poor would see a tax reduction and pensioners on middle income, those who can afford it, would see a tax rise. I'd also tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
Once again, your solution is to tax the working poor to allow rich old people to pass their assets on to their middle aged children who are already well off. You stand to benefit from it so you're in favour. It's the ultimate act of selfishness to be in favour of a tax on the poor to protect your future wealth.
You don't pay NI or income tax for earnings under £10,000 either.
NI should be kept and ringfenced for the state pension, JSA and healthcare as it was originally set up to do.
You are also wrong. Most children and grandchildren of property owners in the South and London on average incomes need an inheritance to buy property, they are not asset wise well off. Most under 40s in the North and Midlands however can buy their own properties even on an average income with few problems and without assistance as house prices are so much cheaper north of the Watford gap
Honestly, it's like talking to a brick wall. You epitomise the current Tories, selfish and clueless.0 -
"Your party". Brilliant, PT. Never thought I'd see the day.Philip_Thompson said:
Your party will have been in power for 14 years by the next election, while you cheer the loss of voters . . . 🤔HYUFD said:
Well to be fair they have been in power for 16 years, it is hardly that surprising they cannot sustain that foreverAndy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
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We gave him a warm welcome earlier. I believe @Casino_Royale is set to join us in the next few days as well.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up, but I thought I ought to welcome @Philip_Thompson to the club.
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He voted for Blair and Farage, it is nothing newNorthern_Al said:
"Your party". Brilliant, PT. Never thought I'd see the day.Philip_Thompson said:
Your party will have been in power for 14 years by the next election, while you cheer the loss of voters . . . 🤔HYUFD said:
Well to be fair they have been in power for 16 years, it is hardly that surprising they cannot sustain that foreverAndy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
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He's rounding up to the nearest 10k.Foxy said:
Class 1 NI starts at a threshold of £6240 annual income.HYUFD said:
No I am not, 1.25% NI for the NHS and social care is hardly impoverishment.MaxPB said:
You're impoverishing the working poor to protect your inheritance. Feel guilty.HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives
I've said from the beginning the tax should be raised by merging NI and income tax and keeping the £12.5k threshold. That means low income pensioners would see no tax rises, the working poor would see a tax reduction and pensioners on middle income, those who can afford it, would see a tax rise. I'd also tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
Once again, your solution is to tax the working poor to allow rich old people to pass their assets on to their middle aged children who are already well off. You stand to benefit from it so you're in favour. It's the ultimate act of selfishness to be in favour of a tax on the poor to protect your future wealth.
You don't pay NI or income tax for earnings under £10,000 either.
NI should be kept and ringfenced for the state pension, JSA and healthcare as it was originally set up to do.
You are also wrong. Most children and grandchildren of property owners in the South and London on average incomes need an inheritance to buy property, they are not asset wise well off. Most under 40s in the North and Midlands however can buy their own properties even on an average income with few problems and without assistance as house prices are so much cheaper north of the Watford gap3 -
Why do you think that? It's conceivable that I might vote LibDem at the next election, but only because after 50-odd years of voting Conservative, they might be a less awful alternative than the lot who have taken over the Conservative Party. Or I might vote Labour, although they don't seem to be a serious alternative at the moment. I doubt if I'll abstain - after all, an important reason why I was a Conservative in the first place was because I abhor the avoidance of difficult decisions - but I'm certainly not going to be supporting any of the current parties with any enthusiasm.HYUFD said:
I am sure Sir Ed is preparing both your gold card LD memberships as we speakRichard_Nabavi said:Just catching up, but I thought I ought to welcome @Philip_Thompson to the club.
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Laschet's policies are virtually identical to Merkel's and Merkel had already led the Union to its lowest voteshare since 1949 in 2017.Theuniondivvie said:
So what? People voted and would still vote for Merkel, they won't for Laschet no matter how anointed he is.HYUFD said:
They are very much Merkel's party, Laschet is her anointed heir.Theuniondivvie said:
Their problem is that they're no longer Merkel's party. I think they'd be solid if she was sticking around.Andy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
Had they been led by the more conservative Soder by contrast polls show they would be doing rather better
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I don't care. It still gives me great pleasure to see Tories/ex-Tories fighting tooth and nail.HYUFD said:
He voted for Blair and Farage, it is nothing newNorthern_Al said:
"Your party". Brilliant, PT. Never thought I'd see the day.Philip_Thompson said:
Your party will have been in power for 14 years by the next election, while you cheer the loss of voters . . . 🤔HYUFD said:
Well to be fair they have been in power for 16 years, it is hardly that surprising they cannot sustain that foreverAndy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
The Labour Party is a sea of tranquility by comparison at the moment (especially since one remaining Corbynite jumped ship earlier).0 -
If you are on £25k in the North you can afford your own home with or without that £200. You and your kids also use the NHS it will go to.MaxPB said:
For someone earning £25k with kids losing £200 from their pay is not going to be easy to afford.HYUFD said:
No I am not, 1.25% NI for the NHS and social care is hardly impoverishment.MaxPB said:
You're impoverishing the working poor to protect your inheritance. Feel guilty.HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives
I've said from the beginning the tax should be raised by merging NI and income tax and keeping the £12.5k threshold. That means low income pensioners would see no tax rises, the working poor would see a tax reduction and pensioners on middle income, those who can afford it, would see a tax rise. I'd also tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
Once again, your solution is to tax the working poor to allow rich old people to pass their assets on to their middle aged children who are already well off. You stand to benefit from it so you're in favour. It's the ultimate act of selfishness to be in favour of a tax on the poor to protect your future wealth.
You don't pay NI or income tax for earnings under £10,000 either.
NI should be kept and ringfenced for the state pension, JSA and healthcare as it was originally set up to do.
You are also wrong. Most children and grandchildren of property owners in the South and London on average incomes need an inheritance to buy property, they are not asset wise well off. Most under 40s in the North and Midlands however can buy their own properties even on an average income with few problems and without assistance as house prices are so much cheaper north of the Watford gap
Honestly, it's like talking to a brick wall. You epitomise the current Tories, selfish and clueless.
If you are on £25k in the South you cannot afford your own home with or without that £200 without an inheritance0 -
I think we need to coin a new catch phrase for right of centre people who criticise the government in any way. I was thinking of
"Why don't you fuck off and join the Liberal Democrats"5 -
I feel like the British right doesn't ostracize non-purists the way the British left and American right do.rcs1000 said:I think we need to coin a new catch phrase for right of centre people who criticise the government in any way. I was thinking of
"Why don't you fuck off and join the Liberal Democrats"0 -
Ummm.HYUFD said:
If you are on £25k in the North you can afford your own home with or without that £200. You and your kids also use the NHS it will go to.MaxPB said:
For someone earning £25k with kids losing £200 from their pay is not going to be easy to afford.HYUFD said:
No I am not, 1.25% NI for the NHS and social care is hardly impoverishment.MaxPB said:
You're impoverishing the working poor to protect your inheritance. Feel guilty.HYUFD said:
Utter crap.MaxPB said:
Yes well you're just reaffirming what he said. Someone without conscience or empathy could have your picture next to it in the dictionary.HYUFD said:
Well I am under 40 and disagree.MaxPB said:That was something else my dad said which stuck with me a bit - any older person who isn't against this is a person without a conscience and has no empathy for the following generations. It matches up with my experience of posters in favour and against this policy on PB. He was ashamed of his own generation's selfishness tonight, he knows they've had it good with property prices being what they were when they were buying their houses in the 70s and 80s.
Yes here in the South housing is more expensive than it has been but I also know I will inherit far more than my parents or grandparents did too. So it works both ways
Most people in the North can afford to buy their own homes on an average income, most of us here in the South need an inheritance to help us on the property ladder from a grandparent or parents. I am certainly not going to be made to feel guilty by you, especially given you have openly said you want to abolish the NHS and seem to have zero empathy for pensioners not all of whom are well off and most of whom have paid into the system all their lives
I've said from the beginning the tax should be raised by merging NI and income tax and keeping the £12.5k threshold. That means low income pensioners would see no tax rises, the working poor would see a tax reduction and pensioners on middle income, those who can afford it, would see a tax rise. I'd also tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
Once again, your solution is to tax the working poor to allow rich old people to pass their assets on to their middle aged children who are already well off. You stand to benefit from it so you're in favour. It's the ultimate act of selfishness to be in favour of a tax on the poor to protect your future wealth.
You don't pay NI or income tax for earnings under £10,000 either.
NI should be kept and ringfenced for the state pension, JSA and healthcare as it was originally set up to do.
You are also wrong. Most children and grandchildren of property owners in the South and London on average incomes need an inheritance to buy property, they are not asset wise well off. Most under 40s in the North and Midlands however can buy their own properties even on an average income with few problems and without assistance as house prices are so much cheaper north of the Watford gap
Honestly, it's like talking to a brick wall. You epitomise the current Tories, selfish and clueless.
If you are on £25k in the South you cannot afford your own home with or without that £200 without an inheritance
In Greater Manchester, there aren't many three bedroom homes available for a four multiple on that £25k income.
In fact, in the whole of Greater Manchester, I find exactly three properties. And it's fair to say they require extensive modernisation.
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/houses/manchester/?beds_min=3&q=Manchester, Greater Manchester&results_sort=newest_listings&search_source=home0 -
Is the the CSU's vote under Söder going to go up this election?HYUFD said:
Laschet's policies are virtually identical to Merkel's and Merkel had already led the Union to its lowest voteshare since 1949 in 2017.Theuniondivvie said:
So what? People voted and would still vote for Merkel, they won't for Laschet no matter how anointed he is.HYUFD said:
They are very much Merkel's party, Laschet is her anointed heir.Theuniondivvie said:
Their problem is that they're no longer Merkel's party. I think they'd be solid if she was sticking around.Andy_JS said:It's game over for Merkel's party. There isn't enough time for a recovery IMO.
Had they been led by the more conservative Soder by contrast polls show they would be doing rather better
Expect the Union to move to the right in opposition and away from Merkelism0 -
If the LibDem parliamentary party consisted mostly of people like Ed Davey, Daisy Cooper and Alistair Carmichael, then I don't think it would be a very hard choice.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you think that? It's conceivable that I might vote LibDem at the next election, but only because after 50-odd years of voting Conservative, they might be a less awful alternative than the lot who have taken over the Conservative Party. Or I might vote Labour, although they don't seem to be a serious alternative at the moment. I doubt if I'll abstain - after all, an important reason why I was a Conservative in the first place was because I abhor the avoidance of difficult decisions - but I'm certainly not going to be supporting any of the current parties with any enthusiasm.HYUFD said:
I am sure Sir Ed is preparing both your gold card LD memberships as we speakRichard_Nabavi said:Just catching up, but I thought I ought to welcome @Philip_Thompson to the club.
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