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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    I think the answer to that is pretty obvious - everyone hit by this will see it as a marginal hit.

    The whole 'new tax' thing is very very bad. However if this produces some sort of fiscal sense then I'll live with it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited September 2021
    Omnium said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    I think the answer to that is pretty obvious - everyone hit by this will see it as a marginal hit.

    The whole 'new tax' thing is very very bad. However if this produces some sort of fiscal sense then I'll live with it.
    Making it a new tax is one of the worst aspects of the whole thing....as we all know in 10 years it won't be 1.25%.

    There will be constant calls that NHS and Social care needs more money.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    kle4 said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    319 v 248 majority of 71

    So a clear majority for the Government for the NI rise but 44 Tory MPs either voted against the proposals or abstained
    They were only 9 from their majority so how is that compatible, without pairing possibly
    Did the SNP vote?
    I can't find out who the missing opposition voters were, but I would assume that the SNP were whipped against it as the NI changes clearly affect Scotland and they have been complaining about them vociferously.

    It looks more like about 50 opposition MPs simply declined to turn up, the majority of them probably because they had concluded that the Government was bound to win the vote.
    That'd be terrible if so. Of course it is usually true, but you still have to play your part and you might get lucky, or at least give the government a spool - equally so some Tory potential rebel could claim they saw loads of opposition not there so knew there was no point in being brave and so chickened out.
    5 conservatives voted against, 37 abstained as well as 21 Labour mps
    Who are the 5 Tories with principles?

    Remarkable that of the 2 manifesto breaches more Tory MPs chose to stand up for giving billions more away to foreign countries and aid organisations, than stood up against increasing taxes by billions.
    It's not that remarkable. The former is a less popular action than the latter would be, but for both it comes down to whether they considered it justified. Right or wrong many didn't think the case was made for reducing foreign aid so much, whereas the case for more money for social care is accepted by most, and its merely detail as to how you get to it. As it is a fair number abstained and we can safely assume plenty more would agree with the abstainers but lack the guts. It'd be nice if more who opposed had the guts to do so but it is so rare that even getting 5 is still pretty good.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087
    Omnium said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    I think the answer to that is pretty obvious - everyone hit by this will see it as a marginal hit.

    The whole 'new tax' thing is very very bad. However if this produces some sort of fiscal sense then I'll live with it.
    Perhaps, for now. When it gets hiked past about 5% and begins to destroy large numbers of jobs it'll be rather more than that.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
  • Punch up....
  • GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695

    GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    George Osborne supports this jobs tax? ;)
  • GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    George Osborne supports this jobs tax? ;)
    Well George is wrong.

    As I pointed out last night google 'George Osborne says an increase on national insurance is a tax on jobs' brings up nearly 2 million results.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited September 2021
    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    George Osborne supports this jobs tax? ;)
    Well George is wrong.

    As I pointed out last night google 'George Osborne says an increase on national insurance is a tax on jobs' brings up nearly 2 million results.
    You've been busy.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,199
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Mid evening all :)

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1435639590283628548/photo/1

    The INSA projection for the constituency vote in the German election looks horrendous for the Union and especially the CDU which is going to be driven out of most of North Germany and forced back to strongholds in Nord Rhein-Westfalen and Baden-Wurttemberg. The CSU will win most of the rural seats in Bavaria but looks set to be driven out of Munich and Nuremburg by the SPD and to face a few seat losses to the Greens.

    The AfD looks set to do very well in Saxony while the Greens aren't going to win as many seats as seemed likely a few months ago as the SPD sweep across the north and east.

    The Allensbach poll is as usual the "best" for the Union but 25% is hardly a number to get the pulse racing - Allensbach always polls highest for the Union - they were the ones who had the Union over 30% in mid summer - and conversely lowest for the FDP (below 10% while some pollsters have the FDP at 13%).

    It may be right, it may be an outlier, we'll see.

    The earlier Trend Research poll fits well into the pack - the Greens easing back to 15% as the SPD move forward to 26% and open up a six point lead on the Union.

    Clearly a big shift to the SPD who will move from 59 constituency seats in 2017 to 198 now.

    Terrible result for the CDU who will move from 185 constituency seats in 2017 to about 40 now. Indeed the CSU with about 38 constituency seats will have nearly as many as the CDU now and be almost as influential in the Union whereas in 2017 they were about 140 constituency seats behind the CDU.

    That will likely shift the Union in a more conservative direction in opposition, even if the CDU pick up a few more on the list
    The total number of seats a party gets is what matters, not whether they are mostly constituency seats or list seats. At least you've moved on from thinking that the CSU would have more seats in the new Bundestag than the CDU, as you posted a couple of days ago - maybe you do actually read other people's posts occasionally!

    In 2017 the CSU had a terrible result in Bavaria, their worst result since 1949 (when the Bayernpartei got over 20% in Bavaria). 10.5% worse than 2013. If the latest Bavaria poll is right they will do even worse this time, maybe losing another 10% vote share.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,770
    stodge said:

    MaxPB said:


    Makes the whole list completely suspect. Anyone who has been to SF knows it's terrible. It's among my least favourite places to go in the US. The people who say they like SF like the idea of it, not what it actually is.

    I visited in 2005 and it was really nice. But it sounds like it has gone downhill since then, ruined by income inequality.
    I was also there in 2005 - March. I'm afraid I'm with @MaxPB - it was the most "alien" city I've ever visited. Beggars on every corner and an undercurrent of tension and hostility. The Japanese Garden in Golden Gate Park was, by contrast, delightful and it's not as though the weather was bad (we had four cloudless days) and the airport was decent but I wasn't taken with either SF or LA.

    I loved San Diego.
    LA has some absolutely delightful bits. But it also contains tens of miles of low rise ugliness.

    I'm lucky, I'm in Brentwood, and am 5 minutes from beach, 30 minutes from the mountains, and 15 minutes from Santa Monica and Beverly Hills.

    But most people aren't so lucky.
  • GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    At some point, The Sun will update one of their greatest front pages;

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1992-Sept-17-e1573638666506.jpg
  • pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
  • Omnium said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    I think the answer to that is pretty obvious - everyone hit by this will see it as a marginal hit.

    The whole 'new tax' thing is very very bad. However if this produces some sort of fiscal sense then I'll live with it.
    Making it a new tax is one of the worst aspects of the whole thing....as we all know in 10 years it won't be 1.25%.

    There will be constant calls that NHS and Social care needs more money.
    The government will set up an independent review body to recommend how much it needs to increase to provide adequate funding for health and social care. Then the Chancellor can just shrug their shoulders and say that it isn't their fault that taxes are going up.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,722
    Jesus tapdancing Christ...

    "London transport staff warned of razors inside Covid conspiracy posters"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/08/london-transport-staff-warned-of-razors-inside-covid-conspiracy-posters
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,248
    edited September 2021
    Speaking of agreeable cities I am now in Lucerne. It is as lovely as they say. An entirely intact old town. Medieval bridges. Glittery lakes. Ancient piazzas with laughing students.

    Downside: the food. It looks scary. Ticino this is not. Here is the home of the deep fried pork knuckle with kartoffelsalatenbrutenscampi with roast lard

    To avoid this I went for a curry. It was rather good. Weirdly, it was identical to the curry I had in Inverness about 2 weeks ago. Chicken tikka, tarka dhal, rice. Beer. Only difference, the one in Inverness was somewhat more refined, and the one in Inverness cost £18 compared to £44 here

    £44

    A large craft beer by the picturesque river in central Lucerne will cost you £16. It’s a big old glass of beer. 75cl. But £16??

    My guide explained that an average adult wage in Lucerne is £50-60,000 a year. A decent but not exceptional Lucerne lawyer can expect to earn £120,000. A central London salary… in a provincial city. Mad
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,920
    edited September 2021
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Manchester beats London in the world's best cities according to TimeOut.

    1 San Francisco
    2 Amsterdam
    3 Manchester

    13th London

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-9968921/The-worlds-best-cities-ranked-Time-San-Francisco-thats-No1-MANCHESTER-third.html

    Ha ha. Manchester isn't even the best city to visit in the North of England. I'd rather spend a weekend in Liverpool or Newcastle.
    Just spent a beautiful evening on the South Bank having pizza to celebrate my youngest's 9th birthday. Vivid purples and oranges of the sunset along the Thames, the path packed with beautiful people enjoying the balmy evening, blazing red sun setting behind the bridges. You can't beat London.
    It's all a matter of taste. There are many attractions worth visiting in London and I'll make the trek down there if I'm strongly motivated to do so, but I wouldn't want to live there. Some of the leafier bits out to the South West look quite habitable but most of it feels noisy, crowded and dirty - especially when you want to get somewhere and you're obliged to use the tube. The deep level lines are grimy, airless, frequently ram packed solid and always roasting hot, even in the middle of Winter. Ghastly.
    Come to South London then, the tube barely deigns to operate South of the river.
    The main advantage of the tube is that it's way more convenient than the buses...

    (And dear God, I once had the misfortune to need to use a London bus during a particularly hot Summer day. Sauna on wheels doesn't begin to describe it. I nearly died.)
    Circle, district, metropolitan and the overground now all have air-conditioning. As does the new Elizabeth line.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited September 2021
    Leon said:

    Speaking of agreeable cities I am now in Lucerne. It is as lovely as they say. An entirely intact old town. Medieval bridges. Glittery lakes. Ancient piazzas with laughing students.

    Downside: the food. It looks scary. Ticino this is not. Here is the home of the deep fried pork knuckle with kartoffelsalatenbrutenscampi with roast lard

    To avoid this I went for a curry. It was rather good. Weirdly, it was identical to the curry I had in Inverness about 2 weeks ago. Chicken tikka, tarka dhal, rice. Beer. Only difference, the one in Inverness was somewhat more refined, and the one in Inverness cost £18 compared to £44 here

    £44

    A large craft beer by the picturesque river in central Lucerne will cost you £16. It’s a big old glass of beer. 75cl. But £16??

    My guide explained that an average adult wage in Lucerne is £50-60,000 a year. A decent but not exceptional Lucerne lawyer can expect to earn £120,000. A central London salary… in a provincial city. Mad

    At £16 a beer and £40 a curry, £50k a year won't go you far.
  • CatMan said:

    Jesus tapdancing Christ...

    "London transport staff warned of razors inside Covid conspiracy posters"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/08/london-transport-staff-warned-of-razors-inside-covid-conspiracy-posters

    What a bunch absolute cock juggling thunder *****.

    If they find them then they should be facing consecutive sentences for every razor/poster they put up.
  • It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    There is no party demanding houses should be used for social care

    And by the way my wife and I due to health reasons are not able to travel anymore or even visit out son in Canada so our enjoyment to travel is over
  • I'm more interested in the 37 abstentions.

    Suggests they know there's a social care problem but really don't like this method so are willing to fence-sit on a 3-line.
  • kle4 said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    319 v 248 majority of 71

    So a clear majority for the Government for the NI rise but 44 Tory MPs either voted against the proposals or abstained
    They were only 9 from their majority so how is that compatible, without pairing possibly
    Did the SNP vote?
    I can't find out who the missing opposition voters were, but I would assume that the SNP were whipped against it as the NI changes clearly affect Scotland and they have been complaining about them vociferously.

    It looks more like about 50 opposition MPs simply declined to turn up, the majority of them probably because they had concluded that the Government was bound to win the vote.
    That'd be terrible if so. Of course it is usually true, but you still have to play your part and you might get lucky, or at least give the government a spool - equally so some Tory potential rebel could claim they saw loads of opposition not there so knew there was no point in being brave and so chickened out.
    5 conservatives voted against, 37 abstained as well as 21 Labour mps
    Who are the 5 Tories with principles?

    Remarkable that of the 2 manifesto breaches more Tory MPs chose to stand up for giving billions more away to foreign countries and aid organisations, than stood up against increasing taxes by billions.
    Christopher Chope, Philip Davies, Neil Hudson, Esther McVey, and John Redwood.
    I have to applaud Philip Davies. End of days!

  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,248

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Manchester beats London in the world's best cities according to TimeOut.

    1 San Francisco
    2 Amsterdam
    3 Manchester

    13th London

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-9968921/The-worlds-best-cities-ranked-Time-San-Francisco-thats-No1-MANCHESTER-third.html

    Ha ha. Manchester isn't even the best city to visit in the North of England. I'd rather spend a weekend in Liverpool or Newcastle.
    Just spent a beautiful evening on the South Bank having pizza to celebrate my youngest's 9th birthday. Vivid purples and oranges of the sunset along the Thames, the path packed with beautiful people enjoying the balmy evening, blazing red sun setting behind the bridges. You can't beat London.
    It's all a matter of taste. There are many attractions worth visiting in London and I'll make the trek down there if I'm strongly motivated to do so, but I wouldn't want to live there. Some of the leafier bits out to the South West look quite habitable but most of it feels noisy, crowded and dirty - especially when you want to get somewhere and you're obliged to use the tube. The deep level lines are grimy, airless, frequently ram packed solid and always roasting hot, even in the middle of Winter. Ghastly.
    Come to South London then, the tube barely deigns to operate South of the river.
    The main advantage of the tube is that it's way more convenient than the buses...

    (And dear God, I once had the misfortune to need to use a London bus during a particularly hot Summer day. Sauna on wheels doesn't begin to describe it. I nearly died.)
    Circle, district, metropolitan and the overground now all have air-conditioning.
    Yes, I am also mystified by the idea of the ‘roasting hot Tube in winter’

    It is pleasantly warm and a respite from the frigid drizzle ‘at grass’
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,741

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    It's all quite simple - the Conservatives want to stay in power for ever. They think as long as they keep the pensioners on side that will be achievable.

    The problem is the pensioners will demand more and more - they effectively have the Conservative Party as their hostage.
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,013
    rcs1000 said:



    If so, can I suggest you start with the Bends and go from there. Personally, alongside The National, I think they are among the best bands of the last quarter century.

    Good call on The National (I Am Easy to Find is a wonderful album). I'd have The Jayhawks as the best of the last 25 years too.
  • GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    At some point, The Sun will update one of their greatest front pages;

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1992-Sept-17-e1573638666506.jpg
    Coincidentally, Lamont turned up on tonight’s C4 News to push the line that people should still vote Tory if they want tax cuts because they won’t increase taxes as much as Labour (yes, really).
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    People over 50 are easily a majority of the entire electorate. Admittedly not nearly all of those are wealthy enough to benefit substantially from the Government's largesse towards the well-to-do pensioners landed gentry and their heirs, but all the same the lines between "client vote" and "majority (tyranny thereof)" are becoming blurred.

    The best that any of us who aren't yet arthritic can do is invest as much as possible in assets and hold tight, until we get wrinkly enough to become part of the client vote ourselves...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
  • It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    They should be doing both and I have said that all along

    I expect the budget will see measures to address the imbalance

    And by the way if my wife and I do have to have care we are looking at upto 172,000 from our home
  • TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    The journey from troll to favourite has been quick for some. ;)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,145

    Is Grealish becoming a diver or was it ever thus

    Not exactly a diver but he is known for drawing fouls.
    To compare with J. J. Audubon? Well I never.
  • Omnium said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    I think the answer to that is pretty obvious - everyone hit by this will see it as a marginal hit.

    The whole 'new tax' thing is very very bad. However if this produces some sort of fiscal sense then I'll live with it.
    Making it a new tax is one of the worst aspects of the whole thing....as we all know in 10 years it won't be 1.25%.

    There will be constant calls that NHS and Social care needs more money.
    The government will set up an independent review body to recommend how much it needs to increase to provide adequate funding for health and social care. Then the Chancellor can just shrug their shoulders and say that it isn't their fault that taxes are going up.
    That's exactly what will happen.
  • GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    I will not laugh at any job loss but with the shortage of labour I just do not see lost jobs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,248

    Leon said:

    Speaking of agreeable cities I am now in Lucerne. It is as lovely as they say. An entirely intact old town. Medieval bridges. Glittery lakes. Ancient piazzas with laughing students.

    Downside: the food. It looks scary. Ticino this is not. Here is the home of the deep fried pork knuckle with kartoffelsalatenbrutenscampi with roast lard

    To avoid this I went for a curry. It was rather good. Weirdly, it was identical to the curry I had in Inverness about 2 weeks ago. Chicken tikka, tarka dhal, rice. Beer. Only difference, the one in Inverness was somewhat more refined, and the one in Inverness cost £18 compared to £44 here

    £44

    A large craft beer by the picturesque river in central Lucerne will cost you £16. It’s a big old glass of beer. 75cl. But £16??

    My guide explained that an average adult wage in Lucerne is £50-60,000 a year. A decent but not exceptional Lucerne lawyer can expect to earn £120,000. A central London salary… in a provincial city. Mad

    At £16 a beer and £40 a curry, £50k a year won't go you far.
    Indeed. I’m sure there are cheaper places outside central Lucerne but wow.

    My guide did admit that travelling the world on a Swiss salary was, however, delightful. To them, price-wise, london feels like Lisbon does to us, and Lisbon feels like Mumbai
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited September 2021
    Fascinating it appears somebody deliberately crashed the crypto markets yesterday to wipe out billions of leveraged money.

    Really is the wild west.
  • pingping Posts: 3,724
    edited September 2021

    GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    That’s crossing the line.

    Lay off @Big_G_NorthWales

    He’s no more responsible than tens of millions of older voters to whom this policy is pandering. Singling him out is nasty.

    I agree with your sentiment @tse but you do us no favours singling out individual pensioners.

    You’re being unfair
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited September 2021

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087

    GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    At some point, The Sun will update one of their greatest front pages;

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1992-Sept-17-e1573638666506.jpg
    Coincidentally, Lamont turned up on tonight’s C4 News to push the line that people should still vote Tory if they want tax cuts because they won’t increase taxes as much as Labour (yes, really).
    This is probably true and the electorate will know it.

    Regardless, the new gerontocracy means that low tax policy is now dead. I was going to say that the only battles left to fight are over who gets to pay the taxes, but I don't think even that's true. It's going to be the workers. Once you take the ones who are also prospective heirs out of the equation, there aren't enough of them left to defend themselves at the ballot box from being bled white.

    The young are stuffed and so is the Labour Party along with them. The Tories could be in power for decades.
  • I do think we're witnessing the culmination of the end of the "traditional" Tory vote today. That party is dead and buried.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739

    On security:

    More than two decades ago, a place I know implemented its own security and alarm system - apparently it was an experiment to see whether it was a business area they wanted to move into.

    It was all rather a mess. Firstly, locks were put on the doors leading into the toilets, so you had to wave your security card at an RFID receiver to get in and out. People complained, because it potentially gave the management the chance to see how long people were spending on loo breaks.

    Then there was an incident one weekend. Some engineers were working when the alarm was triggered. All the doors locked. Because some idiots had designed it as a fail-secure, not fail-safe system, they were trapped in their parts of the building. The site security guard was also locked in, and could not reset the system. In the end a couple of engineers had to smash the window into a server room, climb in, and reboot the computer. Only then did the doors unlock.

    The system was abandoned, and an alarm firm further up the road came in to do a proper job ...

    At my previous job they built a list X room inside an existing office. The door swipe was fitted before the air conditioning. The air conditioning guy cut a cable installing the vent. And couldn't open the door again...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,145
    pigeon said:

    GIN1138 said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Boris done a Jennifer Acuri on you TSE?
    No, I always knew Boris Johnson would screw everybody.

    The IFS say this tax on jobs will cost 50,000 jobs, then Big G really will laugh.
    At some point, The Sun will update one of their greatest front pages;

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1992-Sept-17-e1573638666506.jpg
    Coincidentally, Lamont turned up on tonight’s C4 News to push the line that people should still vote Tory if they want tax cuts because they won’t increase taxes as much as Labour (yes, really).
    This is probably true and the electorate will know it.

    Regardless, the new gerontocracy means that low tax policy is now dead. I was going to say that the only battles left to fight are over who gets to pay the taxes, but I don't think even that's true. It's going to be the workers. Once you take the ones who are also prospective heirs out of the equation, there aren't enough of them left to defend themselves at the ballot box from being bled white.

    The young are stuffed and so is the Labour Party along with them. The Tories could be in power for decades.
    Also because the young can no longer easily get jobs in, say, Germany. I wonder why?
  • pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    And, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

    More tax will mean some people choose to work less, take fewer risks, move to another job or none or move abroad - because every new calculation alters decisions at the margins, and it's all cumulative.

    My guess is that this tax won't raise as much as it's estimated to do for those reasons, and it will also crowd out some private sector investment in other parts of the economy too - probably in R&D.
  • tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
  • You're all my favourite posters! Except those who are not
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,248

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
  • tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    Computer Science, please
  • kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    gealbhan said:

    kinabalu said:

    ping said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    gealbhan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I might be wrong but I believed Foxy to be a woman? Many apologies if I am wrong

    All man, well he was when I met him in 2015.
    Times change.

    I always find it polite to make sure that I am not misgendering people, so I like to start each conversation with "[x], how nice to see you. Tell me, how do you self identify these days?"

    Of course, there are limits to this. One shouldn't ask more than once (or at most twice) per day.
    Do you still insist you like R****h**d ?
    You seem like a smart guy, @Nigelb.

    Are you really saying that you don't like them. I mean, differences of opinion are fine and all that. So, I understand you could have a different opinion.

    But I'm reminded of something a musician friend of mine said "people who say they like music, who don't like Radiohead, don't really like music."
    I'm unfamiliar with their oeuvre, so just wanted to check you still thought them worth investigation.
    Are you genuinely unfamiliar?

    If so, can I suggest you start with the Bends and go from there. Personally, alongside The National, I think they are among the best bands of the last quarter century.
    Absolutely start with the bends.

    It’s completely untypical of their excessively shoe gazing output which followed, hence best place to start and finish. 😆

    Am I banned now?
    I started with OK Computer, then went to The Bends, then Pablo Honey, then Kid A, etc.

    I think their best album is In Rainbows, but every single one of their releases has absolute gems on them - from Lotus Flower on The King of Limbs to Present Tense on A Moon Shaped Pool.
    Creep.
    That’s a bit harsh

    Hehe

    Anyway, I heard they came to hate that song. I can see why. Still a great tune.

    Personally I’ve rediscovered REM’s earlier stuff. Country feedback is bloody amazing.
    I like it a lot, esp the crashing guitar bit, also the vocals and the lyrics are great, sweet incel, ie without the gun, or maybe with it the next day, who knows. But they're a group I haven't really explored. Should do really. Same goes for REM. I only know the hits.
    Dylan covered creep he loved it so much.
    Ah well there you go then. I am moved to seek that out asap as in NOW.

    Edit: No, the chops are burning.
    Just a few carrots at lunch?
    Modest lunch, modest dinner. This is how I navigate my way through a typical day. Banana for breakfast.
    Chops for dinner sounds lavish.
    Just the one, with sweetcorn plus 2 small potatoes. It's restrained. I think that's the word.
    Paulo Wanchope?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,145

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    Hmm. Tough on classicists and linguists. Do we have enough of the former and no need for the latter?
  • Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    They should be doing both and I have said that all along

    I expect the budget will see measures to address the imbalance

    And by the way if my wife and I do have to have care we are looking at upto 172,000 from our home
    I was simply going to reply "LOL" but to be scrupulously fair the Government did junk the 8% state pension uplift so perhaps I should at least wait and see if they bother to do any such thing.

    I'm not holding my breath though.
  • TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    That's kind of you to say so.

    I think we have agreed on several things, by the way, and it's a sign of confidence (not weakness) in your political identity if you're able to recognise that from time to time in your opponents.
  • pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    They should be doing both and I have said that all along

    I expect the budget will see measures to address the imbalance

    And by the way if my wife and I do have to have care we are looking at upto 172,000 from our home
    I was simply going to reply "LOL" but to be scrupulously fair the Government did junk the 8% state pension uplift so perhaps I should at least wait and see if they bother to do any such thing.

    I'm not holding my breath though.
    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    They should be doing both and I have said that all along

    I expect the budget will see measures to address the imbalance

    And by the way if my wife and I do have to have care we are looking at upto 172,000 from our home
    I was simply going to reply "LOL" but to be scrupulously fair the Government did junk the 8% state pension uplift so perhaps I should at least wait and see if they bother to do any such thing.

    I'm not holding my breath though.
    And they extended the 1.25% to all working pensioners, indeed an mp was saying he would now be included

  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,248
    edited September 2021

    Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    No, your sister’s. When she has enough cash
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739
    One well-placed Whitehall official on ending the £20 a week uplift:

    “The internal modelling of ending the UC uplift is catastrophic. Homelessness and poverty are likely to rise, and food banks usage will soar. It could be the real disaster of the autumn”


    https://www.ft.com/content/ea096afa-7747-4763-811f-46e79dd41990
  • pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    And, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

    More tax will mean some people choose to work less, take fewer risks, move to another job or none or move abroad - because every new calculation alters decisions at the margins, and it's all cumulative.

    My guess is that this tax won't raise as much as it's estimated to do for those reasons, and it will also crowd out some private sector investment in other parts of the economy too - probably in R&D.
    Indeed, I reckon in direct tax I'll be paying 60% of my salary by the end of this decade as this levy keeps on going up. That's back to the pre Thatcher era.

    As you know via my father I know some fairly top people at Health trusts and what not.

    They reckon for the next five years all this extra revenue raised will be gobbled up by the NHS and there'll be nothing left for social care.

    So after 2024 this levy will be increased a lot because social care is going to be in an even worth situation because it has had no extra funds.

    Social care also has a major vaccination problem and staffing problem, so salaries are likely to increase over the next few years.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    No, your sister’s. When she has enough cash
    You can't afford her
  • Carnyx said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    Hmm. Tough on classicists and linguists. Do we have enough of the former and no need for the latter?
    I'd class classics as history.

    As someone who speaks seven languages yes languages should be on my list.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    BA (Hons) History of Needlework as a Tool of Oppression by the Patriarchy *is* a history degree. The clue's in the name.

    It's true. I checked the University of Brighton website to be sure.

    BA (Hons) History of the Development of Fruit-Based Pizza Toppings is also available.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,765

    Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    Just don’t ask what he does with the fingers he used to type it.

    But getting attacked by that source is a rite of passage. Look at it that way. You’ve arrived.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,248

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    No, your sister’s. When she has enough cash
    You can't afford her
    She gives me a discount, then charges your dad more to make up for it. Apparently

    Hey, I don’t make the rules in your family
  • pigeon said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    BA (Hons) History of Needlework as a Tool of Oppression by the Patriarchy *is* a history degree. The clue's in the name.

    It's true. I checked the University of Brighton website to be sure.

    BA (Hons) History of the Development of Fruit-Based Pizza Toppings is also available.
    I'd modify my policy to only include red brick universities.

    Former polys are excluded.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    No, your sister’s. When she has enough cash
    You can't afford her
    She gives me a discount, then charges your dad more to make up for it. Apparently

    Hey, I don’t make the rules in your family
    I guess like your current persona, the rules are made up
  • I know why they call Leon handsome
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087
    edited September 2021

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    They should be doing both and I have said that all along

    I expect the budget will see measures to address the imbalance

    And by the way if my wife and I do have to have care we are looking at upto 172,000 from our home
    I was simply going to reply "LOL" but to be scrupulously fair the Government did junk the 8% state pension uplift so perhaps I should at least wait and see if they bother to do any such thing.

    I'm not holding my breath though.
    And they extended the 1.25% to all working pensioners, indeed an mp was saying he would now be included
    That's not such a big deal. The large bulk of pensioners don't work, and most of those who do could afford to stop.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited September 2021
    kamski said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Mid evening all :)

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1435639590283628548/photo/1

    The INSA projection for the constituency vote in the German election looks horrendous for the Union and especially the CDU which is going to be driven out of most of North Germany and forced back to strongholds in Nord Rhein-Westfalen and Baden-Wurttemberg. The CSU will win most of the rural seats in Bavaria but looks set to be driven out of Munich and Nuremburg by the SPD and to face a few seat losses to the Greens.

    The AfD looks set to do very well in Saxony while the Greens aren't going to win as many seats as seemed likely a few months ago as the SPD sweep across the north and east.

    The Allensbach poll is as usual the "best" for the Union but 25% is hardly a number to get the pulse racing - Allensbach always polls highest for the Union - they were the ones who had the Union over 30% in mid summer - and conversely lowest for the FDP (below 10% while some pollsters have the FDP at 13%).

    It may be right, it may be an outlier, we'll see.

    The earlier Trend Research poll fits well into the pack - the Greens easing back to 15% as the SPD move forward to 26% and open up a six point lead on the Union.

    Clearly a big shift to the SPD who will move from 59 constituency seats in 2017 to 198 now.

    Terrible result for the CDU who will move from 185 constituency seats in 2017 to about 40 now. Indeed the CSU with about 38 constituency seats will have nearly as many as the CDU now and be almost as influential in the Union whereas in 2017 they were about 140 constituency seats behind the CDU.

    That will likely shift the Union in a more conservative direction in opposition, even if the CDU pick up a few more on the list
    The total number of seats a party gets is what matters, not whether they are mostly constituency seats or list seats. At least you've moved on from thinking that the CSU would have more seats in the new Bundestag than the CDU, as you posted a couple of days ago - maybe you do actually read other people's posts occasionally!

    In 2017 the CSU had a terrible result in Bavaria, their worst result since 1949 (when the Bayernpartei got over 20% in Bavaria). 10.5% worse than 2013. If the latest Bavaria poll is right they will do even worse this time, maybe losing another 10% vote share.
    The CSU will console themselves however with the fact that they will still likely have the best performance for the Union in Germany on the worst election night for the Union since the Federal Republic of Germany was created in 1949.

    More importantly for the CSU the CDU's defeat under Laschet will likely mean the CSU can at least pick the Union's chancellor candidate in 2025 most likely ie Markus Soder.

    Since WW2 the CSU have picked the Union's chancellor candidate twice, in 1980 in the West German election Franz Josef Strauss of the CSU was picked after Kohl of the CDU lost to Schmidt of the SPD in 1976.

    In 2002 Stoiber of the CSU was picked after Kohl of the CDU lost power to Schroder of the SPD in 1998.

    So it normally requires the CDU to lose an election for the CSU to be able to get the pick the Union's chancellor candidate
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    No, your sister’s. When she has enough cash
    You can't afford her
    She gives me a discount, then charges your dad more to make up for it. Apparently

    Hey, I don’t make the rules in your family
    I guess like your current persona, the rules are made up
    Leon's lying.

    He works at glory holes in the toilets at Euston station, he's just lashing out how rubbish his life is.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,145
    pigeon said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    BA (Hons) History of Needlework as a Tool of Oppression by the Patriarchy *is* a history degree. The clue's in the name.

    It's true. I checked the University of Brighton website to be sure.

    BA (Hons) History of the Development of Fruit-Based Pizza Toppings is also available.
    Actually, there's a whole constellation of social history about the seamstress, and what was the Victorian seamstress about if not oppressed (and often actually rogered) by the patriarchy?

    A friend is a costume historian and there is a whole load of fascinating stuff there to tie in with all sorts of other themes.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,730

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    UKIP policy!
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TSE also one of my favourite posters - and this proves that I'm not just fanning over Labourites

    Is a coincidence that you only talk about someone being a "favourite poster" of yours when they critique the Government?
    You're also one of my favourite posters - believe it or not.

    And I've never agreed with a single thing you've posted, I think ever
    If it helps I think you’re a juvenile, prissy, whining little c+cksucker
    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    No, your sister’s. When she has enough cash
    You can't afford her
    She gives me a discount, then charges your dad more to make up for it. Apparently

    Hey, I don’t make the rules in your family
    I guess like your current persona, the rules are made up
    Leon's lying.

    He works at glory holes in the toilets at Euston station, he's just lashing out how rubbish his life is.
    I've seen his mother there from time to time
  • Scott_xP said:

    One well-placed Whitehall official on ending the £20 a week uplift:

    “The internal modelling of ending the UC uplift is catastrophic. Homelessness and poverty are likely to rise, and food banks usage will soar. It could be the real disaster of the autumn”


    https://www.ft.com/content/ea096afa-7747-4763-811f-46e79dd41990

    I think the ending of the UC uplift could cause quite a few problems for the government.

    It was, of course, a temporary, Covid uplift, so there's no reason why it shouldn't end, in theory. The problem is that people have got used to having that extra £20 a week over the last 18 months or so, and so taking it away is likely to cause more problems than if it had never been given in the first place. You don't miss what you've never had so much.

    A separate argument is, of course, that UC is just too low. I noticed Boris praising the staff who help out at food banks in response to a question at PMQs today. Maybe it would be better if the PM thought there should be no place for food banks in a society as affluent as ours.
  • Scott_xP said:

    One well-placed Whitehall official on ending the £20 a week uplift:

    “The internal modelling of ending the UC uplift is catastrophic. Homelessness and poverty are likely to rise, and food banks usage will soar. It could be the real disaster of the autumn”


    https://www.ft.com/content/ea096afa-7747-4763-811f-46e79dd41990

    I think the ending of the UC uplift could cause quite a few problems for the government.

    It was, of course, a temporary, Covid uplift, so there's no reason why it shouldn't end, in theory. The problem is that people have got used to having that extra £20 a week over the last 18 months or so, and so taking it away is likely to cause more problems than if it had never been given in the first place. You don't miss what you've never had so much.

    A separate argument is, of course, that UC is just too low. I noticed Boris praising the staff who help out at food banks in response to a question at PMQs today. Maybe it would be better if the PM thought there should be no place for food banks in a society as affluent as ours.
    UC is what will I think, turn the polls upside down. Then we will see a Labour lead
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,145
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    UKIP policy!
    Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739
    Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”

    Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”

    The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”

    🤷🏻‍♂️

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367

    I see Tissue Price voted for it too
  • pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Hilarious. Why are the Tories hitting people who work hard for their money instead of landlords, billionaires and pensioners?
    They should be doing both and I have said that all along

    I expect the budget will see measures to address the imbalance

    And by the way if my wife and I do have to have care we are looking at upto 172,000 from our home
    I was simply going to reply "LOL" but to be scrupulously fair the Government did junk the 8% state pension uplift so perhaps I should at least wait and see if they bother to do any such thing.

    I'm not holding my breath though.
    And they extended the 1.25% to all working pensioners, indeed an mp was saying he would now be included
    That's not such a big deal. The large bulk of pensioners don't work, and most of those who do could afford to stop.
    Maybe but there was a lot of anger that working pensioners did not pay NI

    I heard a 70 year old pensioner interviewed today saying his pension income made it essential he worked and it was not by choice
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,248

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    And, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

    More tax will mean some people choose to work less, take fewer risks, move to another job or none or move abroad - because every new calculation alters decisions at the margins, and it's all cumulative.

    My guess is that this tax won't raise as much as it's estimated to do for those reasons, and it will also crowd out some private sector investment in other parts of the economy too - probably in R&D.
    Indeed, I reckon in direct tax I'll be paying 60% of my salary by the end of this decade as this levy keeps on going up. That's back to the pre Thatcher era.

    As you know via my father I know some fairly top people at Health trusts and what not.

    They reckon for the next five years all this extra revenue raised will be gobbled up by the NHS and there'll be nothing left for social care.

    So after 2024 this levy will be increased a lot because social care is going to be in an even worth situation because it has had no extra funds.

    Social care also has a major vaccination problem and staffing problem, so salaries are likely to increase over the next few years.
    Yes. The worst aspect of this is the invention of a whole new tax. Not only that, a tax dedicated to an inviolable God, the NHS, who can only be propitiated, never ignored (let alone neglected)

    Paying this NHS levy for Brits, will be like paying the Gods with blood, for the Aztecs.

    With the Aztecs it started with the odd live human sacrifice on sacred days, and it ended - literally - with the rich buying babies from the poor, just to kill them, and weekends of orgiastic sacrificial murder when the streets of Tenochtitlan ran ‘ankle deep’ in human gore

    That’s the future of the British economy
  • pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that they end up increasing it sufficiently to cover the entire NHS & Social Care budget. DHSC budget was £150bn in 2019/20 and £212bn in 20/21.

    1.25% expected to raise £12bn, so it would need to be ~15.6% to raise £150bn, or ~22% to cover the 20/21 budget.

    I could see it being very tempting to have a hypothecated tax to fund the NHS, as that might be more popular with the general public, as they'd know that tax was spent on the NHS and not "wasted" on whatever else the government spends money on that a particular voter objects to (Foreign Aid, Benefits, Trident, etc). So the question then becomes what taxes the government will seek to cut with (at least some of) the money raised?

    Perhaps it will help to cover the expected hole in the public finances when fuel duty revenue disappears as cars switch to electricity? Perhaps we will see income tax cut (which I could sadly see being very popular, even though a switch from Income Tax to a rebadged NI would be sub-optimal for many reasons). Inheritance Tax could be abolished. Stamp Duty could be cut.

    I think that's where this is heading. The government will seek to cut some taxes, to burnish its low-tax credentials and create a point of difference with Labour, and it will find it is popular to increase a hypothecated NHS tax and cut other general taxes. I'd expect to see it cut taxes that its voters dislike, as it loads more taxes on the people who don't vote Tory.

    So I'd expect to see this levy increase, and to see taxes on assets (or aspiration if you will) to be cut.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,065

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I will be stung for a bit over a grand. On the other hand the money is going to go to pay me overtime to do the work that I cannot do at the moment because our staff are pressganged to ICU. If I jack up my rates, a Saturday should do it.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,730
    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    UKIP policy!
    Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.
    “UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article

  • pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Manchester beats London in the world's best cities according to TimeOut.

    1 San Francisco
    2 Amsterdam
    3 Manchester

    13th London

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-9968921/The-worlds-best-cities-ranked-Time-San-Francisco-thats-No1-MANCHESTER-third.html

    Ha ha. Manchester isn't even the best city to visit in the North of England. I'd rather spend a weekend in Liverpool or Newcastle.
    Just spent a beautiful evening on the South Bank having pizza to celebrate my youngest's 9th birthday. Vivid purples and oranges of the sunset along the Thames, the path packed with beautiful people enjoying the balmy evening, blazing red sun setting behind the bridges. You can't beat London.
    It's all a matter of taste. There are many attractions worth visiting in London and I'll make the trek down there if I'm strongly motivated to do so, but I wouldn't want to live there. Some of the leafier bits out to the South West look quite habitable but most of it feels noisy, crowded and dirty - especially when you want to get somewhere and you're obliged to use the tube. The deep level lines are grimy, airless, frequently ram packed solid and always roasting hot, even in the middle of Winter. Ghastly.
    Come to South London then, the tube barely deigns to operate South of the river.
    The main advantage of the tube is that it's way more convenient than the buses...

    (And dear God, I once had the misfortune to need to use a London bus during a particularly hot Summer day. Sauna on wheels doesn't begin to describe it. I nearly died.)
    The deep level Tubes DO get very hot in the summer! (one reason being they were built too narrow - tunnels only 12ft diameter vs. 16ft for main line tunnels)
  • Ok, I think when it's got to the level of "your mum" vs "your dad" it's time to log-off for the night.

    Goodnight all.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,065
    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    UKIP policy!
    Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.
    “UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article

    My favourite was for taxi drivers to wear uniforms. Though was it maybe only when cleaning behind ther fridges. It all blends into one cocktail of pooterishness now.
  • Big up South West London!
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,087

    Scott_xP said:

    One well-placed Whitehall official on ending the £20 a week uplift:

    “The internal modelling of ending the UC uplift is catastrophic. Homelessness and poverty are likely to rise, and food banks usage will soar. It could be the real disaster of the autumn”


    https://www.ft.com/content/ea096afa-7747-4763-811f-46e79dd41990

    I think the ending of the UC uplift could cause quite a few problems for the government.

    It was, of course, a temporary, Covid uplift, so there's no reason why it shouldn't end, in theory. The problem is that people have got used to having that extra £20 a week over the last 18 months or so, and so taking it away is likely to cause more problems than if it had never been given in the first place. You don't miss what you've never had so much.

    A separate argument is, of course, that UC is just too low. I noticed Boris praising the staff who help out at food banks in response to a question at PMQs today. Maybe it would be better if the PM thought there should be no place for food banks in a society as affluent as ours.
    UC is what will I think, turn the polls upside down. Then we will see a Labour lead
    Interesting. How much of the Tory vote both relies on the uplift and doesn't loathe Labour so much that they're willing to contemplate voting for them? I guess we might get an answer to that.
  • tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.

    And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”

    Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”

    The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”

    🤷🏻‍♂️

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367

    I see Tissue Price voted for it too

    Everyone who's anyone voted for it as far as I can tell.
  • What a goal by Kane
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited September 2021
    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    UKIP policy!
    Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.
    “UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article

    Well, UKIP seem a good deal more articulate than TSE who wrote tautologically "I'd end tuition fees in STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees."

    I wonder if TSE can guess what the "E" in STEM might be.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.

    It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.
  • tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    I'll have you know that my better half did an MA in the History of Fashion at the University of Brighton. Very rigorous it was too. Her first degree was in Performing Arts at a 'good' university. She went on to be successful enough to marry me.

    And seriously, it would be a miserable old world if we didn't have the scope for people to study the arts and humanities. There's nothing wrong with education for education's sake. It contributes hugely to a civilised society.
    I'm someone who over the last fifteen years has looked at lots of CVs of graduates and then see their qualitative and quantitative skills in pre interview tests I do wonder about some universities and the degrees and I think you've racked up £40k worth of debt for this? I'd be asking for a refund.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,751

    It

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    pigeon said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    Yes, I can imagine you've been burdened with a big fat extra bill. Even for us ordinary mortals who don't work for SwankyWankyBank plc it's still a good few hundred quid a year. For starters. I don't think that any of us believes that it'll stay at 1.25% for very long.
    To be honest I don't mind paying extra tax, even when my personal allowance was stolen, and my tax was whacked up to 50% there was an element of doing this for the greater good and that we were all in this together, now there's the government protecting their client vote, which is what Labour used to do.
    Did you oppose David Cameron when he brought in £9,000 a year tuition fees?
    No, I thought it would be a good way to stop people who really shouldn't go to university going.

    One of the big policy errors of my lifetime was Mrs Thatcher/John Major then Blair upping the university target of having 40-50% of students go to university.

    It is bloody stupid going to ready the history of needlework as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy at the University of Brighton with low job prospects at the end of it with £40k worth of debt at the end of it.

    Personally I'd end tuition fees for STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees.

    Degrees the country really needs
    UKIP policy!
    Was it MRLP? Someone, I think the Guardian, did a comparative quiz on UKIP and MRLP policy statements and manifestoes and you had to tryy and judge who went for which proposal. It was surprisingly difficult and the MRLP came out as remarkably sane and promising.
    “UKIP’s manifesto has pledged that the party would waive tuition fees for students in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine”.”

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ukip-would-make-stem-tuition-fee-free-and-revise-net-migration-count/2019716.article

    Well, UKIP seem a good deal more articulate than TSE who wrote tautologically "I'd end tuition fees in STEM, medicine, computing, engineering, history, and law degrees."

    I wonder if TSE can guess what the "E" in STEM might be.
    Education? :smiley:
  • MaxPB said:

    It is said London will be hit the hardest by the 1.25% charge

    It was so funny when a conservative mp said to Adam Boulton that television presenters on £400 000 will need to find another £4,500

    Yes it is really funny that a pensioner like you is getting an increase whilst us workers have to pay a lot more tax so you can enjoy life more and bequeath your family a nice house.

    Yes, I've just calculated how much extra I have to pay for this.
    It's the first time I've been tempted by tax avoidance in my life, not because it's a lot of money, but because the government is no longer deserving of my very significant tax contribution. It's galling that rich old people are not paying their own way and costs are being lumped into working people.

    It has to be said, loads of my friends are feeling absolutely mutinous about this tax. Labour could capitalise on it really easily but they have a complete numpty in charge.
    The correct term is tax minimisation, and my financial advisers and accountants have already been in touch about this tax.

    My father is a pensioner has gone back to work (part time) and he's furious that he will pay 1.25% NI whilst I'm paying 13.25% so his generation can be better off.
  • You end up with the grotesque spectacle of a Tory Chancellor, a TORY Chancellor, hiring taxis to ferry around tax demands to their own voters.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Ex-Cabinet Minister on HSC tax: “It’s a fucking suicide pact, whatever we raise it to it will never be enough. I hate it.”

    Me: “Wow, so you’re voting against it?”

    The MP: “I don’t see how I can.”

    🤷🏻‍♂️

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1435611081045647367

    I see Tissue Price voted for it too

    The Conservative Party knew who they were electing when they made Johnson their leader. If they didn't, they weren't paying attention.

    They chose to ride the tiger anyway, because of his election-winning powers. (Most voters don't actually know Boris the Man, why should they, and Boris the Show is attractive.)

    And riding a tiger is great fun, until you want to dismount.
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