S Times: Raab told to return on the Friday – but got back early Monday – politicalbetting.com
NEW: Dominic Raab was told by Downing Street to return home on Friday 13 August as Afghanistan slipped into chaos. Why did the foreign secretary not fly in until the small hours of Monday morning? Because Boris Johnson said he could stay on holiday… https://t.co/BWdXw9oPjY
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Primus inter pares.0
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In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.1
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I am not on the iSAGE sports sub-committee for nothing....FrancisUrquhart said:Hundred final is going to be incredibly one sided if not cafeful.
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But not OnlyFans....TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
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If Johnson is too soft to insist he came home, he’s too soft to sack him.0
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In my dayjob I have a report on Onlyfans to read.FrancisUrquhart said:
But not OnlyFans....TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
Honestly heading up a regulatory affairs department of a financial services institution is never boring.
May also have to read up on this, Manchester City, Arsenal, and Dirty Leeds are absolute shits for this.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/21/exclusive-europes-top-clubs-including-arsenal-man-city-bank/
This is going to be the new Football Index.1 -
All this Raab stuff seems kind of a side show? It's hard to get terribly excited about it...
Now if he'd been on holiday with a lover while the wife and kids had been left at home and it was all captured on the hotel CCTV...0 -
The counter briefing from Raab seems to be "If you sack me, BoZo, I will bury you..."Fairliered said:If Johnson is too soft to insist he came home, he’s too soft to sack him.
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I remember seeing that a while ago and thinking that's even more nuts than Football Index.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my dayjob I have a report on Onlyfans to read.FrancisUrquhart said:
But not OnlyFans....TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
Honestly heading up a regulatory affairs department of a financial services institution is never boring.
May also have to read up on this, Manchester City, Arsenal, and Dirty Leeds are absolute shits for this.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/21/exclusive-europes-top-clubs-including-arsenal-man-city-bank/
This is going to be the new Football Index.0 -
I think the UK has a particular transitional issue right now - historically a fair portion of drivers on British roads were from the EU. (Indeed, the UK-EU markets were very integrated: a driver might do a Devon to Birmingham delivery, then a Birmingham to Rotterdam one.) With proper Brexit, this has meant that drivers basically had to choose the EU market on the UK one, and the vast majority chose the EU one. And this led to a temporary reduction in the number of people working the UK market.MrEd said:
All companies across the world are facing problems in delivery. It has cropped up time and time again on company results calls. Nobody has called out the U.K. (if they are global) as a specific problem.Scott_xP said:
No shit.rcs1000 said:that will passed through to British consumers by higher grocery bills, and will disadvantage British exporters.
Under normal circumstances, this would have been no big deal. People would have gone through training courses, got HGV licenses, etc.
But with Covid, we've had 18 months of practically no new HGV licenses being issued. Which has meant a transitional issue has led to higher freight rates for British businesses. Not enough to cause massive problems, but enough that people are scrabbling where they didn't previously need to scrabble.0 -
I am glad Raab had his holiday, like millions of others he deserved it. The world did not stop whilst he was away and nor should it.1
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Wondering if Dominic Raab has now been told to "begin the process of resigning" on Monday...
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The Athletic have also done a piece on it as well.FrancisUrquhart said:
I remember seeing that a while ago and thinking that's even more nuts than Football Index.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my dayjob I have a report on Onlyfans to read.FrancisUrquhart said:
But not OnlyFans....TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
Honestly heading up a regulatory affairs department of a financial services institution is never boring.
May also have to read up on this, Manchester City, Arsenal, and Dirty Leeds are absolute shits for this.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/21/exclusive-europes-top-clubs-including-arsenal-man-city-bank/
This is going to be the new Football Index.
https://theathletic.com/2774492/2021/08/18/investigation-socios-fan-tokens-what-they-really-are-and-how-they-work/0 -
Well, we can be sure the world did not stop while he was away. Certainly the Taliban did not stop.squareroot2 said:I am glad Raab had his holiday, like millions of others he deserved it. The world did not stop whilst he was away and nor should it.
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Working remotely seems to have gone back out of fashion!squareroot2 said:I am glad Raab had his holiday, like millions of others he deserved it. The world did not stop whilst he was away and nor should it.
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I'm glad I don't get this one.TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
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Perhaps unsurprisingly his route follows closed railway lines (Great Central and Rowsley to Buxton).rcs1000 said:Not really on topic, but this is a fantastic Twitter thread:
How far can you get from London by bus (not coach) in 24 hours:
https://twitter.com/politic_animal/status/1428438081871433731
And yes, he actually does the trip.
If the eastern branch of HS2 is binned, I think they should look at reopening the lines between Northampton and Market Harborough, and Nuneaton and Burton to cascade some of the WCML capacity to the East Midlands and to increase journey options.1 -
If you ask TSE nicely he will explain ** innocent face ***rottenborough said:
I'm glad I don't get this one.TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
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Man. That's evil. People think they own a bit of their football club, when in reality they own nothing.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my dayjob I have a report on Onlyfans to read.FrancisUrquhart said:
But not OnlyFans....TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
Honestly heading up a regulatory affairs department of a financial services institution is never boring.
May also have to read up on this, Manchester City, Arsenal, and Dirty Leeds are absolute shits for this.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/21/exclusive-europes-top-clubs-including-arsenal-man-city-bank/
This is going to be the new Football Index.0 -
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Totally agree. The main focus should be that a Parliamentary Committee in January pointed out how precarious the situation was and the need to have contingency plans in place. It seems to have been ignored. Why were these translators still in country? Why were the security guards? Why was most of our diplomatic staff? Why were so many UK contractors still in theatre? Was it not obvious that the end was coming?GIN1138 said:All this Raab stuff seems kind of a side show? It's hard to get terribly excited about it...
Now if he'd been on holiday with a lover while the wife and kids had been left at home and it was all captured on they hotel CCTV...
A number of serious mistakes and misjudgements, not least of which was trusting the current US administration to tie their shoe laces properly and we focus on the trivia because it is so much easier to moan about a phone call than actually address the more complicated substance and the serious errors that got us in this mess.
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Just replied to you on the previous thread @rcs1000 - yes there are definite U.K. specific issues but it was to flag this is an issue in most advanced economies.rcs1000 said:
I think the UK has a particular transitional issue right now - historically a fair portion of drivers on British roads were from the EU. (Indeed, the UK-EU markets were very integrated: a driver might do a Devon to Birmingham delivery, then a Birmingham to Rotterdam one.) With proper Brexit, this has meant that drivers basically had to choose the EU market on the UK one, and the vast majority chose the EU one. And this led to a temporary reduction in the number of people working the UK market.MrEd said:
All companies across the world are facing problems in delivery. It has cropped up time and time again on company results calls. Nobody has called out the U.K. (if they are global) as a specific problem.Scott_xP said:
No shit.rcs1000 said:that will passed through to British consumers by higher grocery bills, and will disadvantage British exporters.
Under normal circumstances, this would have been no big deal. People would have gone through training courses, got HGV licenses, etc.
But with Covid, we've had 18 months of practically no new HGV licenses being issued. Which has meant a transitional issue has led to higher freight rates for British businesses. Not enough to cause massive problems, but enough that people are scrabbling where they didn't previously need to scrabble.
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All Covid measures in Denmark 🇩🇰 are being revoked by October 1. No mask mandates. No social distancing. No vaccine passports.0 -
That predates the Sunday Times splashrottenborough said:John Rentoul
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when ministers said workers would be be sacked for not going back to the office, they obviously didn’t mean *themselves* https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1429148662068826115/photo/11
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I'm only going off what I have been told because the only website I visit that begins with www.po is PB.Floater said:
If you ask TSE nicely he will explain ** innocent face ***rottenborough said:
I'm glad I don't get this one.TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
Anyhoo apparently on this Pornhub one of the most popular categories of porn is fauxcest and the most viewed in that category features stepmoms and stepsons.
Which has led to the phrase that something/someone is more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
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Right dinner, don't forget a BIG POLL is out at 8pm.0
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How on earth is Adam Milne not in the NZ Twenty20 side? He's brilliant.0
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It is so bad I can only assume Deutsche Bank are involved somehow.rcs1000 said:
Man. That's evil. People think they own a bit of their football club, when in reality they own nothing.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my dayjob I have a report on Onlyfans to read.FrancisUrquhart said:
But not OnlyFans....TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
Honestly heading up a regulatory affairs department of a financial services institution is never boring.
May also have to read up on this, Manchester City, Arsenal, and Dirty Leeds are absolute shits for this.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/21/exclusive-europes-top-clubs-including-arsenal-man-city-bank/
This is going to be the new Football Index.0 -
Who is leaking this stuff, and to what end?0
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Maybe Boris will throw a dead cat on the table and do a Hugh Grant from Love Actually on Biden (he's already did one scene from Love Actually in the election) ?0
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MoE or increased Tory lead. Could be by a fair few points. Double figures?TheScreamingEagles said:Right dinner, don't forget a BIG POLL is out at 8pm.
It's the economy! And self-employed furlough cheques are dropping on doorsteps as we speak. Free-Government money with absolutely no downside is hugely popular.0 -
What was Dom Cummings's relationship with Dom Raab? If it was dysfunctional then I'd guess it's one of the former's spies in Whitehall. If Raab is destroyed that will still reflect poorly on the judgment of Boris, who is of course the big prize.Scott_xP said:Who is leaking this stuff, and to what end?
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"The Taliban faced the first armed challenge to their rule as former Afghan soldiers, aided by villagers, drove the militants out of three districts in the mountains north of Kabul, according to former Afghan officials."
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Oh yeah, the Andrew Lincoln thing that Allin -Khan plageurised the week before.GIN1138 said:Maybe Boris will throw a dead cat on the table and do a Hugh Grant from Love Actually on Biden (he's already did one scene from Love Actually in the election) ?
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Apologies if commented on before:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/19/new-poll-from-the-federalist-susquehanna-shows-joe-bidens-approval-nose-diving-following-botched-afghanistan-withdrawal/
Basic upshot - headline poll says 49pc approval rating for Biden vs 45pc disapproval. However take the sub-segment pilled after the fall of Kabul, it’s 38pc approve, 51pc disapprove0 -
This is amazing. Because 1) buses are amazing, 2) he goes through almost all the bus stations I know best in Manchester, Stockport and Derby and 3) he must have actually passed within thirty feet of me yesterday, when I was in Matlock Bath.rottenborough said:
Incredible.rcs1000 said:Not really on topic, but this is a fantastic Twitter thread:
How far can you get from London by bus (not coach) in 24 hours:
https://twitter.com/politic_animal/status/1428438081871433731
And yes, he actually does the trip.
How long before someone finds and does a longer one?1 -
Well Cummings is clearly dysfunctional with everyone... including Cummings...Stark_Dawning said:
What was Dom Cummings's relationship with Dom Raab? If it was dysfunctional then I'd guess it's one of the former's spies in Whitehall. If Raab is destroyed that will still reflect poorly on the judgment of Boris, who is of course the big prize.Scott_xP said:Who is leaking this stuff, and to what end?
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Given that in any government there's always some minister on the verge of being sacked, Raab's purpose seems to be to permanently inhabit that role so no-one else temporarily has to.rottenborough said:John Rentoul
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Many big movie effects are still partially a practical effect, with use of VFX on top. Even CGI characters, including animals, are often acted out by a human, then replaced by the computer graphics.tlg86 said:You’d think this would all be done with CGI these days:
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The last three Opinium polls have shown little change - Tory leads of 8%/8%/7%. Nothing particularly dramatic apparent from other pollsters either.0
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That's not the big 8PM poll we have been tolled about is it?MrEd said:Apologies if commented on before:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/19/new-poll-from-the-federalist-susquehanna-shows-joe-bidens-approval-nose-diving-following-botched-afghanistan-withdrawal/
Basic upshot - headline poll says 49pc approval rating for Biden vs 45pc disapproval. However take the sub-segment pilled after the fall of Kabul, it’s 38pc approve, 51pc disapprove0 -
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I agree. Nothing has changed.justin124 said:The last three Opinium polls have shown little change - Tory leads of 8%/8%/7%. Nothing particularly dramatic apparent from other pollsters either.
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From the BBC picture I'd just have spliced in the end of Back To The Future Part III and hoped no-one would have noticed.tlg86 said:You’d think this would all be done with CGI these days:
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Food manufacturers and restaurants are scrambling to recruit prisoners to help ease the “desperate” shortage of workers caused by Covid-19 and Brexit.
A lack of HGV drivers, fruit pickers and factory workers has left some supermarkets struggling to keep shelves filled, with everything from fruit and vegetables to bottled water, wine and baked goods severely depleted in parts of the country.
The British Retail Consortium and the freight trade group Logistics UK have written to Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to warn that a shortfall of about 90,000 HGV drivers is “placing increasingly unsustainable pressure on retailers and their supply chains”. The situation is likely to get worse with children returning to school and workers returning to offices in September, they wrote on Friday.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shops-farms-and-restaurants-turn-to-prisons-to-fill-staff-shortages-j2qgd38td0 -
Wonder what Grabacoque makes of it it all? He had a bit of a crush on Dominic Raab... Thought he was rather dishy from what I remember... Thick as two short planks maybe but rather a dish...
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Time for a remake - The Seven دشمانrottenborough said:"The Taliban faced the first armed challenge to their rule as former Afghan soldiers, aided by villagers, drove the militants out of three districts in the mountains north of Kabul, according to former Afghan officials."
NYTimes0 -
I’ve become a little jaded at poll hyping.TheScreamingEagles said:Right dinner, don't forget a BIG POLL is out at 8pm.
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Five minutes! This poll better be worth it!0
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If more ex-convicts gain meaningful employment, that's not necessarily a bad thing in itself.Scott_xP said:Food manufacturers and restaurants are scrambling to recruit prisoners to help ease the “desperate” shortage of workers caused by Covid-19 and Brexit.
A lack of HGV drivers, fruit pickers and factory workers has left some supermarkets struggling to keep shelves filled, with everything from fruit and vegetables to bottled water, wine and baked goods severely depleted in parts of the country.
The British Retail Consortium and the freight trade group Logistics UK have written to Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to warn that a shortfall of about 90,000 HGV drivers is “placing increasingly unsustainable pressure on retailers and their supply chains”. The situation is likely to get worse with children returning to school and workers returning to offices in September, they wrote on Friday.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shops-farms-and-restaurants-turn-to-prisons-to-fill-staff-shortages-j2qgd38td9 -
It never is. 🥱GIN1138 said:Five minutes! This poll better be worth it!
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London is buzzing.
Just had a fantastic Saturday afternoon, eating, shopping and drinking.
Town is full of young people dressed up for a Saturday and having a great time.
Fuck the virus.4 -
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
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https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/0 -
You've morphed into SeanT?Anabobazina said:London is buzzing.
Just had a fantastic Saturday afternoon, eating, shopping and drinking.
Town is full of young people dressed up for a Saturday and having a great time.
Fuck the virus.
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Plentiful and backed by the masses?TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
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NoiseScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/1 -
Oh!Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/0 -
Con lead 30
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It's day releaseGallowgate said:If more ex-convicts gain meaningful employment, that's not necessarily a bad thing in itself.
One prison has already told the association that it has no more inmates to spare after a surge in demand from short-staffed companies.0 -
In fairness to Chris Curtis, I think this was big enough to merit a tweet which didn't promise something totally earth-shattering.Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/0 -
Very much Hung Parliament territory.Gallowgate said:
NoiseScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/0 -
So what do we think? 3 points from Con to Lab because of Afghanistan, but 1 point each to LD and Green from Lab because of Afghanistan.Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/0 -
41% disapprove of the job @DominicRaab is doing, while 23% approve, giving him a net approval rating of -18%.
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/ https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1429157102258372612/photo/10 -
As I scrolled up and read it casually I honestly did not notice it was Anabobazina as opposed to, er, some other person beside SeanT.GIN1138 said:
You've morphed into SeanT?Anabobazina said:London is buzzing.
Just had a fantastic Saturday afternoon, eating, shopping and drinking.
Town is full of young people dressed up for a Saturday and having a great time.
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Is that the big poll?Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/
Not that big/radical IMHO, yes bad for Con but, (if most/all of the questioning was done after Karbal fell), then not nearly as bad as it might have been.0 -
That's not bad though. It'll look good on their CVs and may inspire them to get a 'proper' job in future.Scott_xP said:
It's day releaseGallowgate said:If more ex-convicts gain meaningful employment, that's not necessarily a bad thing in itself.
One prison has already told the association that it has no more inmates to spare after a surge in demand from short-staffed companies.2 -
Yeah but in the circumstances you'd probably expect Labour to be like 10-15% ahead?justin124 said:
Very much Hung Parliament territory.Gallowgate said:
NoiseScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/
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I wonder how many of the working from home gang are complaining about Raab not being in the office
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Leave and Remain voters tend to agree in their overall assessment of #Afghanistan, but Leave voters are less likely to support a dedicated #refugee programme for Afghans.
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48% think the decision to pull out of #Afghanistan was wrong, and 55% think the UK is less safe because of the #Taliban's return to power.
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I mean half of the 41% probably don't even know who he is but just generally disapprove of any politician?Scott_xP said:41% disapprove of the job @DominicRaab is doing, while 23% approve, giving him a net approval rating of -18%.
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Doing her best despite media portrayals being consistently unfair?kle4 said:
Plentiful and backed by the masses?TheScreamingEagles said:In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
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You say that like its a bad thing.Scott_xP said:
It's day releaseGallowgate said:If more ex-convicts gain meaningful employment, that's not necessarily a bad thing in itself.
One prison has already told the association that it has no more inmates to spare after a surge in demand from short-staffed companies.
If you believe in rehabilitation then prisoners doing a job on day release is a good thing that can help them get rehabilitated into society.
If you don't believe in rehabilitation we shouldn't be releasing these prisoners at all.
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In fairness, the criticism as I understand it is that he wasn't properly working at all. Hence all the stuff about the un-made phone call and so on.another_richard said:I wonder how many of the working from home gang are complaining about Raab not being in the office
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On a UNS basis the Tories would lose 46 seats to Labour , 4 to the LDs and probably a few to SNP.They would be at 310 - 312 seats.0
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Delivery driversScott_xP said:Food manufacturers and restaurants are scrambling to recruit prisoners to help ease the “desperate” shortage of workers caused by Covid-19 and Brexit.
A lack of HGV drivers, fruit pickers and factory workers has left some supermarkets struggling to keep shelves filled, with everything from fruit and vegetables to bottled water, wine and baked goods severely depleted in parts of the country.
The British Retail Consortium and the freight trade group Logistics UK have written to Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to warn that a shortfall of about 90,000 HGV drivers is “placing increasingly unsustainable pressure on retailers and their supply chains”. The situation is likely to get worse with children returning to school and workers returning to offices in September, they wrote on Friday.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shops-farms-and-restaurants-turn-to-prisons-to-fill-staff-shortages-j2qgd38td
Fruit pickers
Factory workers
Construction workers
Restaurant workers
Hotel workers
Its revelatory to learn how much some people hate the thought of the working classes getting a pay rise.2 -
Too much pressure on Livingstone here.0
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I read somewhere he was on a digital detox? The opposite of WFH.another_richard said:I wonder how many of the working from home gang are complaining about Raab not being in the office
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I tend to agreeBigRich said:
Is that the big poll?Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/
Not that big/radical IMHO, yes bad for Con but, (if most/all of the questioning was done after Karbal fell), then not nearly as bad as it might have been.
After the last week cross over would not be a surprise and Labour at +1 as the main opposition must be disappointing to them
The poll does see improved ratings in handling covid
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Ministerial purposes?solarflare said:
Given that in any government there's always some minister on the verge of being sacked, Raab's purpose seems to be to permanently inhabit that role so no-one else temporarily has to.rottenborough said:John Rentoul
@JohnRentoul
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Dominic Raab is not going to be sacked (unless something else happens), partly because he serves a purpose
Boris: There for the Red wallers (for now)
Sunak: For non-Borisites to think 'well, Sunak might be ok, let's stick around for now'
Patel: To invoke lust in the membership for her hardline stances
Williamson: To make everyone else look good by comparison
Gove: To make everyone more likable by comparison
Raab: The blank canvas to fill space when needed
Truss: To demonstrate at least one minister is doing something (even if you think it isn't much)
Javid: To signal the end of the reign of Dom
The rest: Who?3 -
Tories losing 3 is just about significant. Other parties gaining 1 each is not significant, but Labour not gaining 3 might be.GIN1138 said:
Yeah but in the circumstances you'd probably expect Labour to be like 10-15% ahead?justin124 said:
Very much Hung Parliament territory.Gallowgate said:
NoiseScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/
Labour's just not doing well enough to withstand swingbaaaaaaaaaack before GE1 -
He was quite complimentary about his time as stand in during Boris's illness to the select committee IIRC.Stark_Dawning said:
What was Dom Cummings's relationship with Dom Raab? If it was dysfunctional then I'd guess it's one of the former's spies in Whitehall. If Raab is destroyed that will still reflect poorly on the judgment of Boris, who is of course the big prize.Scott_xP said:Who is leaking this stuff, and to what end?
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Jenrick: To make everyone look clean in comparisonkle4 said:
Ministerial purposes?solarflare said:
Given that in any government there's always some minister on the verge of being sacked, Raab's purpose seems to be to permanently inhabit that role so no-one else temporarily has to.rottenborough said:John Rentoul
@JohnRentoul
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Dominic Raab is not going to be sacked (unless something else happens), partly because he serves a purpose
Boris: There for the Red wallers (for now)
Sunak: For non-Borisites to think 'well, Sunak might be ok, let's stick around for now'
Patel: To invoke lust in the membership for her hardline stances
Williamson: To make everyone else look good by comparison
Gove: To make everyone more likable by comparison
Raab: The blank canvas to fill space when needed
Truss: To demonstrate at least one minister is doing something (even if you think it isn't much)
Javid: To signal the end of the reign of Dom
The rest: Who?3 -
As I explained in the other thread, the 'working classes' getting a pay rise is all well and good but not if said 'pay rise' is cancelled out by increased costs of everyday items.another_richard said:
Delivery driversScott_xP said:Food manufacturers and restaurants are scrambling to recruit prisoners to help ease the “desperate” shortage of workers caused by Covid-19 and Brexit.
A lack of HGV drivers, fruit pickers and factory workers has left some supermarkets struggling to keep shelves filled, with everything from fruit and vegetables to bottled water, wine and baked goods severely depleted in parts of the country.
The British Retail Consortium and the freight trade group Logistics UK have written to Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to warn that a shortfall of about 90,000 HGV drivers is “placing increasingly unsustainable pressure on retailers and their supply chains”. The situation is likely to get worse with children returning to school and workers returning to offices in September, they wrote on Friday.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shops-farms-and-restaurants-turn-to-prisons-to-fill-staff-shortages-j2qgd38td
Fruit pickers
Factory workers
Construction workers
Restaurant workers
Hotel workers
Its revelatory to learn how much some people hate the thought of the working classes getting a pay rise.
Of course it's the comfortably well off who would be unaffected by such price rises.0 -
Don't forget JRMkle4 said:
Ministerial purposes?solarflare said:
Given that in any government there's always some minister on the verge of being sacked, Raab's purpose seems to be to permanently inhabit that role so no-one else temporarily has to.rottenborough said:John Rentoul
@JohnRentoul
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2h
Dominic Raab is not going to be sacked (unless something else happens), partly because he serves a purpose
Boris: There for the Red wallers (for now)
Sunak: For non-Borisites to think 'well, Sunak might be ok, let's stick around for now'
Patel: To invoke lust in the membership for her hardline stances
Williamson: To make everyone else look good by comparison
Gove: To make everyone more likable by comparison
Raab: The blank canvas to fill space when needed
Truss: To demonstrate at least one minister is doing something (even if you think it isn't much)
Javid: To signal the end of the reign of Dom
The rest: Who? 0 -
I'd guess that Cons-> Stay at home is quite a big part of the story.tlg86 said:
So what do we think? 3 points from Con to Lab because of Afghanistan, but 1 point each to LD and Green from Lab because of Afghanistan.Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/
But the thing to remember is that poll-to-poll changes are nearly always MOE- it's the trend in the swarm that matters.
And MOE can cover a big range of outcomes; C41L34 would be a fairly hefty Conservative win, C37L38 would surely see Starmer as PM.0 -
Not in the context of a Pandemic with the Opposition parties having been frozen out for an extended period. 'Swingback' only tends to happen when the Government has fallen well behind in the polls. There is actually a good possibility that the Tories will perform less well at the next GE than implied by this poll.GIN1138 said:
Yeah but in the circumstances you'd probably expect Labour to be like 10-15% ahead?justin124 said:
Very much Hung Parliament territory.Gallowgate said:
NoiseScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/
Labour's just not doing well enough to withstand swingbaaaaaaaaaack before GE0 -
Brexit makes everything more expensive.another_richard said:Its revelatory to learn how much some people hate the thought of the working classes getting a pay rise.
Why wasn't that on a bus?0 -
Broken, sleazy Tories on the slide!Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-3)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 19 - 20 Aug
Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-august-2021/0 -
It depends upon your circumstances of course, but there's no reason why a real terms pay rise should be entirely cancelled out by increased everyday costs since the cost of labour is just a fraction of the cost of items.Gallowgate said:
As I explained in the other thread, the 'working classes' getting a pay rise is all well and good but not if said 'pay rise' is cancelled out by increased costs of everyday items.another_richard said:
Delivery driversScott_xP said:Food manufacturers and restaurants are scrambling to recruit prisoners to help ease the “desperate” shortage of workers caused by Covid-19 and Brexit.
A lack of HGV drivers, fruit pickers and factory workers has left some supermarkets struggling to keep shelves filled, with everything from fruit and vegetables to bottled water, wine and baked goods severely depleted in parts of the country.
The British Retail Consortium and the freight trade group Logistics UK have written to Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to warn that a shortfall of about 90,000 HGV drivers is “placing increasingly unsustainable pressure on retailers and their supply chains”. The situation is likely to get worse with children returning to school and workers returning to offices in September, they wrote on Friday.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shops-farms-and-restaurants-turn-to-prisons-to-fill-staff-shortages-j2qgd38td
Fruit pickers
Factory workers
Construction workers
Restaurant workers
Hotel workers
Its revelatory to learn how much some people hate the thought of the working classes getting a pay rise.
Of course it's the comfortably well off who would be unaffected by such price rises.0 -
5D chess - make everyone think he likes Raab so no one suspects him when he furtively sets out to crush him.dodrade said:
He was quite complimentary about his time as stand in during Boris's illness to the select committee IIRC.Stark_Dawning said:
What was Dom Cummings's relationship with Dom Raab? If it was dysfunctional then I'd guess it's one of the former's spies in Whitehall. If Raab is destroyed that will still reflect poorly on the judgment of Boris, who is of course the big prize.Scott_xP said:Who is leaking this stuff, and to what end?
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It was.Scott_xP said:
Brexit makes everything more expensive.another_richard said:Its revelatory to learn how much some people hate the thought of the working classes getting a pay rise.
Why wasn't that on a bus?
If you want to make things cheap by suppressing wages then that was the Stuart Rose argument made in the referendum.
Unsurprisingly people found "make goods cheaper by not getting pay rises" to be an uncompelling argument.4 -
Now this does show that Boris is a 'soft boss' and he's certainly not someone who would like one of his holidays interrupting.another_richard said:I wonder how many of the working from home gang are complaining about Raab not being in the office
But that's not an excuse for Raab.
Whether or not Raab being back in Westminster would have helped or not the imagery for an ambitious politician demanded that he was so.
So a question arises about Raab's political judgement and you can double that by asking why Raab was taking a posho foreign holiday this year at all.1 -
Point of order: Not a Cabinet Minister (but attends it).GIN1138 said:
Don't forget JRMkle4 said:
Ministerial purposes?solarflare said:
Given that in any government there's always some minister on the verge of being sacked, Raab's purpose seems to be to permanently inhabit that role so no-one else temporarily has to.rottenborough said:John Rentoul
@JohnRentoul
·
2h
Dominic Raab is not going to be sacked (unless something else happens), partly because he serves a purpose
Boris: There for the Red wallers (for now)
Sunak: For non-Borisites to think 'well, Sunak might be ok, let's stick around for now'
Patel: To invoke lust in the membership for her hardline stances
Williamson: To make everyone else look good by comparison
Gove: To make everyone more likable by comparison
Raab: The blank canvas to fill space when needed
Truss: To demonstrate at least one minister is doing something (even if you think it isn't much)
Javid: To signal the end of the reign of Dom
The rest: Who?
Leader of the House organises the business, so I think that makes him Boris's Commons secretary
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