Biden should be a stronger favourite than this to win a second term – politicalbetting.com
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400m hurdles.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.0 -
And the silver medallist broke the old world record – imagine breaking the world record and only winning silver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
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His PB in the 400m hurdles is now less than a second off his PB in the 400m flat.FrancisUrquhart said:
400m hurdles.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.0 -
Certainly both men had their shredded wheat this morning....lets just hope thats all.DecrepiterJohnL said:
And the silver medallist broke the old world record – imagine breaking the world record and only winning silver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
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There’s no drug that makes you jump hurdles like that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly both men had their shredded wheat this morning....lets just hope thats all.DecrepiterJohnL said:
And the silver medallist broke the old world record – imagine breaking the world record and only winning silver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
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Wasn't there some chat yesterday about the torrential rain then baking sun having speeded up the track?tlg86 said:
There’s no drug that makes you jump hurdles like that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly both men had their shredded wheat this morning....lets just hope thats all.DecrepiterJohnL said:
And the silver medallist broke the old world record – imagine breaking the world record and only winning silver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
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But there are drugs that mean you don't run out of steam.....tlg86 said:
There’s no drug that makes you jump hurdles like that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly both men had their shredded wheat this morning....lets just hope thats all.DecrepiterJohnL said:
And the silver medallist broke the old world record – imagine breaking the world record and only winning silver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
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Watching the close up replay, I notice that he pushes himself to take longer strides towards the end rather than take one more stride as is common in that event.FrancisUrquhart said:
But there are drugs that mean you don't run out of steam.....tlg86 said:
There’s no drug that makes you jump hurdles like that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly both men had their shredded wheat this morning....lets just hope thats all.DecrepiterJohnL said:
And the silver medallist broke the old world record – imagine breaking the world record and only winning silver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just a WR, a massive improvement....on top of the fact that WR only went earlier this year.tlg86 said:New WR in the men’s 400m by someone from Norway of all places.
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Caroline Dubois unlucky to get a split decision against her in the boxing.0
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Just seen Warholm's sub 46. Unreal0
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It’s pretty obvious that the PM has been turned over by his cabinet colleagues, doubtless spurred on by discontent on the back benches. He’s attempted to limit the damage by using his links with the Telegraph to get them to spin his airbrushed version of the story, but all the other papers are reporting that the PM has been forced to drop the proposal.CarlottaVance said:
LEFT: Sunak’s team brief Sunday Times
Sunak calls to ‘save holidays’
RIGHT: Johnson in Telegraph
‘PM steps in to save holidays’
There is now a MAJOR briefing war between the advisors of Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak over who can be seen to ‘save’ holidays by scrapping quarantine
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1422308800288206851?s=20
We know already that the PM can’t resist meddling to complicate things; he wrecked the five stages of Coronavirus alert at launch by suggesting we start at three and a half, and was clearly set to add a further fifth colour to the original ‘simple’ traffic light plan for foreign travel, having already created a fourth colour for France while the minister was away. If other Tories are starting to reign in the PM’s knack for making a mess of pretty much anything he touches, we should welcome it.
That the PM is able to lean on his old paper to get his spin into the media is a further reason why readers should be wary about trusting the Telegraph, on UK politics.1 -
Why ConHome polls can matter - The Sun has the story:
BOJO’S SUNAK & HEIR Rishi Sunak is in pole position to replace Boris Johnson as Tory boss, say party members
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15761847/rishi-sunak-replace-boris-johnson-tory-party/amp/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true1 -
On topic, did I miss discussion of this from 31 July?
Kamala Harris has become the most unpopular US vice president six months into an administration since at least the 1970s, according to polls.
Alarmed Democrat strategists are grappling with the Vice President's floundering poll numbers which show she is now "underwater," meaning more Americans disapprove, than approve, of her job performance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/31/future-president-kamala-harris-now-underwater-sinking-popularity/0 -
A poor showing for HY’s favourite, there.CarlottaVance said:Why ConHome polls can matter - The Sun has the story:
BOJO’S SUNAK & HEIR Rishi Sunak is in pole position to replace Boris Johnson as Tory boss, say party members
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15761847/rishi-sunak-replace-boris-johnson-tory-party/amp/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true0 -
I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
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Would be interesting to see the comparison to other VPs using favourability and net favourability. It might be due to a lower (higher?) number of DKs, for example.IshmaelZ said:On topic, did I miss discussion of this from 31 July?
Kamala Harris has become the most unpopular US vice president six months into an administration since at least the 1970s, according to polls.
Alarmed Democrat strategists are grappling with the Vice President's floundering poll numbers which show she is now "underwater," meaning more Americans disapprove, than approve, of her job performance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/31/future-president-kamala-harris-now-underwater-sinking-popularity/0 -
I misread the first B word as Boris and was nodding along until I read "President Harris"....DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
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A few days back, Gracenote put out a Tweet forecasting 62 medals so that is actually a downgrade. Not sure why. Possibly to do with the track cycling given the World Records set so farFrancisUrquhart said:Simon Gleave
Head of sports analysis, Nielsen Gracenote
Team GB's 35 medals are now six ahead of the number our pre-Olympic Virtual Medal Table forecast had at this stage.
We have therefore adjusted our projected British medal total upwards to 58, including 16 gold medals as the number of golds is also two ahead of schedule.
At this stage, it looks like Great Britain should finish fourth on total medals, ahead of host nation Japan.
The current Gracenote forecast of 16 for Great Britain would almost certainly mean fifth place on the final medal table. Track cycling will probably be the key for this number to go higher to challenge the Russian Olympic Committee on golds.
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First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.
Moonshine is wrong in thinking it’s the Biden administration’s role to approve pharmaceuticals, and it would have all kinds of negative consequences were it to try to do so, but it’s increasingly clear (and not just over the vaccines) that there is a failure of leadership at the FDA. Sorting that out will not be a quick matter.1 -
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.3 -
You're _really_ going to take a Republican staff report as a useful basis to reach a conclusion like that?rcs1000 said:
the preponderance of evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory sometime prior to September 12, 2019. The virus, or the viral sequence that was genetically manipulated, was likely collected in a cave in Yunnan province, PRC, between 2012 and 2015. Researchers at the WIV, officials within the CCP, and potentially American citizens directly engaged in efforts to obfuscate information related to the origins of the virus and to suppress public debate of a possible lab leak.Leon said:Bloody hell
It very very definitely came from the lab. This is a minority Republican report, but I predict Biden’s official US intel report will not significantly differ. Explosive
https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf
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I’m glad someone on here recognises Biden is simply unfit for the job rather than the usual “ooh, isn’t he so refreshing” view you get on this site just because he isn’t Donald Trump. He’s clearly not 100% there on any unbiased interpretation and by 2024, unless they come up with a wonder treatment, it is going to be impossible to hide.DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
The Democrats realise Harris is a disaster, the problem is what to do with her. There is no doubt she wants the Presidency and, as a black woman, it is going to be very hard for anyone else to run against her, given the current identity politics view running the Democrats. Buttigieg being gay is not enough to overcome the fact he is a white male.
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This bit from the executive summary of the evidence doesn’t exactly support the claims about “preponderance of evidence”.SussexJames said:
You're _really_ going to take a Republican staff report as a useful basis to reach a conclusion like that?rcs1000 said:
the preponderance of evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory sometime prior to September 12, 2019. The virus, or the viral sequence that was genetically manipulated, was likely collected in a cave in Yunnan province, PRC, between 2012 and 2015. Researchers at the WIV, officials within the CCP, and potentially American citizens directly engaged in efforts to obfuscate information related to the origins of the virus and to suppress public debate of a possible lab leak.Leon said:Bloody hell
It very very definitely came from the lab. This is a minority Republican report, but I predict Biden’s official US intel report will not significantly differ. Explosive
https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09lxjcc
Athletes at the Military World Games held in Wuhan in October 2019 who became sick with symptoms similar to COVID-19 both while in Wuhan and also shortly after returning to their home countries;
Satellite imagery of Wuhan in September and October 2019 that showed a significant uptick in the number of people at local hospitals surrounding the WIV’s headquarters, coupled with an unusually high number of patients with symptoms similar to COVID-19;…
If Covid infection were so widespread, not only within China, but also internationally, back in October as claimed, then the course of the pandemic would very likely have been rather different.
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In many ways I am surprised by the current level of response by the US. They are still focused on those who operated the lab and the immediate cover up rather than seeking to hold China responsible. Covid has killed 10x more Americans than the Vietnam war. The economic costs have been even more severe too. It seems likely to me that as the evidence becomes more overwhelming that the demand to hold China to account will grow.Leon said:Bloody hell
It very very definitely came from the lab. This is a minority Republican report, but I predict Biden’s official US intel report will not significantly differ. Explosive
https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf3 -
I am sure that @Leon explained this BDS overnight (again). Its not easy to treat, unfortunately.RobD said:
I misread the first B word as Boris and was nodding along until I read "President Harris"....DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
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Good morning, everyone.
Mr. L, we shall see. That's what should happen. If it doesn't, COVID-19 will become an accidental test for China to see what it can get away with.1 -
What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
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I.misread the start as Boris will be 79....0
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The lack of flaked parmesan was a moment of national crisis Sean, it is pointless to pretend otherwise.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.2 -
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You even missed it from earlier in this two-page thread.IshmaelZ said:On topic, did I miss discussion of this from 31 July?
Kamala Harris has become the most unpopular US vice president six months into an administration since at least the 1970s, according to polls.
Alarmed Democrat strategists are grappling with the Vice President's floundering poll numbers which show she is now "underwater," meaning more Americans disapprove, than approve, of her job performance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/31/future-president-kamala-harris-now-underwater-sinking-popularity/0 -
More damning evidence of government incompetence. They can't even manage a strategic reserve of flaked parmesan.DavidL said:
The lack of flaked parmesan was a moment of national crisis Sean, it is pointless to pretend otherwise.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.3 -
Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.MrEd said:
I’m glad someone on here recognises Biden is simply unfit for the job rather than the usual “ooh, isn’t he so refreshing” view you get on this site just because he isn’t Donald Trump. He’s clearly not 100% there on any unbiased interpretation and by 2024, unless they come up with a wonder treatment, it is going to be impossible to hide.DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
The Democrats realise Harris is a disaster, the problem is what to do with her. There is no doubt she wants the Presidency and, as a black woman, it is going to be very hard for anyone else to run against her, given the current identity politics view running the Democrats. Buttigieg being gay is not enough to overcome the fact he is a white male.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.4 -
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.0 -
Today’s Indy editorial: Boris Johnson is about to find out what happens when a party turns on its leader
Sadly it’s (£) so we can’t find out ourselves.1 -
I remember Not the Nine o'clock news taking the piss out of Reagan every week. Indeed one of their very best songs was about this: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=I+can't+believe+Reagan+is+President+song&docid=608039538129114911&mid=BCE7BD09A6EF1FBE9087BCE7BD09A6EF1FBE9087&view=detail&FORM=VIREspudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.0 -
I've not seen any food shortages since yesterday. Since most of us shop in one store, once a week, it is quite possible not to have been personally affected. Most of the problems are of distribution, rather than supply or panic buying, so it is likely that even if you can't buy flaked parmesan in one shop, it will be in stock next door.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.0 -
Floater said:
Someone mentioned Kamala
https://twitter.com/i/events/1421859390106263552
Kamala Harris has become the most unpopular US vice president six months into an administration since at least the 1970s, according to polls.
Alarmed Democrat strategists are grappling with the Vice President's floundering poll numbers which show she is now "underwater," meaning more Americans disapprove, than approve, of her job performance.
Talking of track cycling, they’ve been naughty boys:FrancisUrquhart said:Simon Gleave
Head of sports analysis, Nielsen Gracenote
Team GB's 35 medals are now six ahead of the number our pre-Olympic Virtual Medal Table forecast had at this stage.
We have therefore adjusted our projected British medal total upwards to 58, including 16 gold medals as the number of golds is also two ahead of schedule.
At this stage, it looks like Great Britain should finish fourth on total medals, ahead of host nation Japan.
The current Gracenote forecast of 16 for Great Britain would almost certainly mean fifth place on the final medal table. Track cycling will probably be the key for this number to go higher to challenge the Russian Olympic Committee on golds.
The design of the revolutionary Team GB Lotus x Hope track bike was stolen from a Dutch bicycle brand according to its co-founder, who plans to take legal action if British Cycling refuses to recognise its claim.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/amp/news/team-gb-lotus-x-hope-track-bike-design-stolen-claims-dutch-bike-brand0 -
Unfortunately flaked parmesan is not in stock at my local co-op, indeed it never has been as far as I can tell. They do have the powdered stuff that tasted of sawdust and smelly socks if that is any help to desperate PB parmesan hunters.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've not seen any food shortages since yesterday. Since most of us shop in one store, once a week, it is quite possible not to have been personally affected. Most of the problems are of distribution, rather than supply or panic buying, so it is likely that even if you can't buy flaked parmesan in one shop, it will be in stock next door.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.0 -
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.1 -
We can discuss re Trump until the cows come home. I don’t think he was perfect by any stretch of the imagination to put it mildly. However, the fact is a lot of the opposition to Trump was off his personality, not his achievements as President. No major wars, getting it right on China, tax reform and a booming economy pre-Covid were good achievements. And, as we are seeing with the debacle on the US border on immigration, he was far better than Biden on that too.DavidL said:
Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.MrEd said:
I’m glad someone on here recognises Biden is simply unfit for the job rather than the usual “ooh, isn’t he so refreshing” view you get on this site just because he isn’t Donald Trump. He’s clearly not 100% there on any unbiased interpretation and by 2024, unless they come up with a wonder treatment, it is going to be impossible to hide.DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
The Democrats realise Harris is a disaster, the problem is what to do with her. There is no doubt she wants the Presidency and, as a black woman, it is going to be very hard for anyone else to run against her, given the current identity politics view running the Democrats. Buttigieg being gay is not enough to overcome the fact he is a white male.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.
As for Biden not being malevolent, no he is not but he is complicit in going along with a political culture that is undermining American democracy. Many on here like to point at the Republicans only when it comes to the electoral system but the Democrats are as dirty as Hell on that one too. Go to California and see the effects of Ballot Harvesting. Or let’s discuss how the Hunter Biden details were suppressed pre-election to help Joe.
I’d agree it was a poor choice between the two but, unfortunately, that was the choice. I still think Biden was the poorer pick and nothing in his performance so far has changed that view.
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Good morning everybody.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've not seen any food shortages since yesterday. Since most of us shop in one store, once a week, it is quite possible not to have been personally affected. Most of the problems are of distribution, rather than supply or panic buying, so it is likely that even if you can't buy flaked parmesan in one shop, it will be in stock next door.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.
I don't go shopping (some physical problems ATM) but my wife reports shortages in both our local Co-op and in both the not-too-far-away Tesco's.
However, she says that in all three goods are spread out to provide an illusion of stock-filled shelves.2 -
We aren’t in much of a position to crow about offering voters a decent choice,though, are we?DavidL said:
Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.MrEd said:
I’m glad someone on here recognises Biden is simply unfit for the job rather than the usual “ooh, isn’t he so refreshing” view you get on this site just because he isn’t Donald Trump. He’s clearly not 100% there on any unbiased interpretation and by 2024, unless they come up with a wonder treatment, it is going to be impossible to hide.DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
The Democrats realise Harris is a disaster, the problem is what to do with her. There is no doubt she wants the Presidency and, as a black woman, it is going to be very hard for anyone else to run against her, given the current identity politics view running the Democrats. Buttigieg being gay is not enough to overcome the fact he is a white male.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.2 -
Adichie is also a phenomenal novelist. I love all her books but Half of a Yellow Sun, about the Biafran war, is incredible.NickPalmer said:Waverley councillors have been having a course on equalities and discrimination, about which I'm sure there is the usual difference of opinion here. However, I think nearly everyone here might enjoy this TED talk which it was built around - if you can spare 18 minutes, I think you will:
https://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_ngozi_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story/transcript?language=en0 -
Some people here seem to have remarkably adventurous lives, if they have tried eating smelly socks!Foxy said:
Unfortunately flaked parmesan is not in stock at my local co-op, indeed it never has been as far as I can tell. They do have the powdered stuff that tasted of sawdust and smelly socks if that is any help to desperate PB parmesan hunters.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've not seen any food shortages since yesterday. Since most of us shop in one store, once a week, it is quite possible not to have been personally affected. Most of the problems are of distribution, rather than supply or panic buying, so it is likely that even if you can't buy flaked parmesan in one shop, it will be in stock next door.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.1 -
Because of the way threading works on this thread that isn't surprising a lot of people start at the most recent threads and may not hit older pagesDecrepiterJohnL said:
You even missed it from earlier in this two-page thread.IshmaelZ said:On topic, did I miss discussion of this from 31 July?
Kamala Harris has become the most unpopular US vice president six months into an administration since at least the 1970s, according to polls.
Alarmed Democrat strategists are grappling with the Vice President's floundering poll numbers which show she is now "underwater," meaning more Americans disapprove, than approve, of her job performance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/31/future-president-kamala-harris-now-underwater-sinking-popularity/
But it does show why Pete Buttigieg is a way better bet for President than 65/1 - especially now the infrastructure bill has been agreed so he will be front and centre as projects get started and finished.3 -
I don't think I have ever defended cronyism in the Labour Party either.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
The nepotism and Chumocracy does show how illusory "taking back control" was.1 -
This is not just at the FDA. Medical regulators around the world have been holding back the vaccination programmes.Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.
Moonshine is wrong in thinking it’s the Biden administration’s role to approve pharmaceuticals, and it would have all kinds of negative consequences were it to try to do so, but it’s increasingly clear (and not just over the vaccines) that there is a failure of leadership at the FDA. Sorting that out will not be a quick matter.
They don't seem to understand the difference between a pandemic and a endemic disease, and the wider consequences for society of their decisions or lack of decisions. Politicians now need to review the medical regulators.0 -
There is a great short story in her collection "The Thing Around Your Neck" about an African writers meeting, in which she explores how African writers are pushed into only writing of certain things.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Adichie is also a phenomenal novelist. I love all her books but Half of a Yellow Sun, about the Biafran war, is incredible.NickPalmer said:Waverley councillors have been having a course on equalities and discrimination, about which I'm sure there is the usual difference of opinion here. However, I think nearly everyone here might enjoy this TED talk which it was built around - if you can spare 18 minutes, I think you will:
https://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_ngozi_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story/transcript?language=en
She indeed is a very interesting storyteller.1 -
Let’s hope so. The levels of government naivety worldwide in late 2019/early 2020 were something to behold. The basic default position seemed to be that the Communist Party of China dictatorship is trustworthy. An horrific error with extremely serious consequences.DavidL said:
In many ways I am surprised by the current level of response by the US. They are still focused on those who operated the lab and the immediate cover up rather than seeking to hold China responsible. Covid has killed 10x more Americans than the Vietnam war. The economic costs have been even more severe too. It seems likely to me that as the evidence becomes more overwhelming that the demand to hold China to account will grow.Leon said:Bloody hell
It very very definitely came from the lab. This is a minority Republican report, but I predict Biden’s official US intel report will not significantly differ. Explosive
https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf
We have been bought and sold for Chinese gold.2 -
True but the two roles are hardly equivalent. Boris is not just hiring his old chum from the Buller, he is hiring him to judge whether it is appropriate to hire him, amongst other charges of sleaze against the government and Boris himself.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
And the government has confirmed Boris did have the final say.6 -
Jobs for the sons and daughters of friends is as old as jobs themselves. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; sometimes it's not the best way of hiring someone but sometimes it can work. Rather depends on how how up the chain the job is.Foxy said:
I don't think I have ever defended cronyism in the Labour Party either.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
The nepotism and Chumocracy does show how illusory "taking back control" was.0 -
Not a PM, but how about Boris Yeltsin?Quincel said:
One wonders if this sort of thing happened to other PMs a lot but it didn't match their image so the press didn't run with it, or Johnson was mucking about with the brollie some how in a way other PMs wouldn't? I agree with you though, probably just the former.kle4 said:
I really do not understand why people keep mentioning that - given one does not generally choose to have a brollie mishap what, exactly, should he have done once he encountered difficulty? People keep bringing it up, so presumably there's something egregiously terrible about being clumsy with an umbrella at a sombre event.Foxy said:
Particularly considering the sombre nature of the event, opening a police memorial.Benpointer said:
I agree, he's definitely got a natural comic gift. It's just not what the country needs in a Prime Minister though, sadly.Leon said:
I'm joking about staging, but Boris has a natural comic gift. He can turn a potentially embarrassing incident into a laugh-with-me momentBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure about staging it but I watched it live and to be fair Boris handled it well and I do not think this incident did him any harmLeon said:
You do realise that just makes him look somewhat endearing (and also Patel, FWIW)Scott_xP said:
No one is looking at this and raging (apart from you)
It's excellent publicity for Brand Boris. He probably staged it all
He did it with the zipwire. He made is somehow part of his shtick
He has many many faults but a lack of showmanship is not one of them. He has an instinctive knack. And this is not unimportant, politicians can be damaged by this stuff - eg Miliband and the bacon sandwich
https://youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT40 -
Mr. Dickson, indeed. Worse still is the way Germany, France etc are still so foolish on this (and we came damned close to having Huawei embedded in our 5G network and that's still something that could happen).
The US largely seems to have woken up, and, to a lesser extent, the same's happened here. But Germany... between buying Russian gas, then attending Holocaust Memorial Events before signing up to deals with China, isn't exactly the moral leader some suggest.0 -
I recently noticed that Lidl sell vegan grated ‘Parmesan’ made largely of coconut oil. My curiosity wasn’t piqued enough to make a purchase.Foxy said:
Unfortunately flaked parmesan is not in stock at my local co-op, indeed it never has been as far as I can tell. They do have the powdered stuff that tasted of sawdust and smelly socks if that is any help to desperate PB parmesan hunters.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've not seen any food shortages since yesterday. Since most of us shop in one store, once a week, it is quite possible not to have been personally affected. Most of the problems are of distribution, rather than supply or panic buying, so it is likely that even if you can't buy flaked parmesan in one shop, it will be in stock next door.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.0 -
The doses that, under the terms of their licence, they are selling at cost?rcs1000 said:
The story in the US is a bit more complex than you make out. AstraZeneca filed. The FDA asked for more information. And AstraZeneca - four or five months later - has still not supplied that information.moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Should the FDA not have asked for the information? Maybe. But they did. It was AZ who decided not to supply it.
If one had a cynical hat on, it was because it allowed AZ to sell its US-destined doses for higher prices to the rest of the world.
For the record, I don't see how Trump being President would have made any different whatsoever to this.1 -
I'm pleased to say Waitrose have an ample supply of Parmesan in big blocks. Little sign of shortages other than the normal low stock of some items after a busy day, probably because it's a town centre store and they are not allowed to have deliveries on Sunday. The one section that has been low for months, however, is the tinned fish section with some products going out of stock for weeks, annoyingly the sardines in olive oil which I rather like.OldKingCole said:
Some people here seem to have remarkably adventurous lives, if they have tried eating smelly socks!Foxy said:
Unfortunately flaked parmesan is not in stock at my local co-op, indeed it never has been as far as I can tell. They do have the powdered stuff that tasted of sawdust and smelly socks if that is any help to desperate PB parmesan hunters.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've not seen any food shortages since yesterday. Since most of us shop in one store, once a week, it is quite possible not to have been personally affected. Most of the problems are of distribution, rather than supply or panic buying, so it is likely that even if you can't buy flaked parmesan in one shop, it will be in stock next door.Sean_F said:
I can't say that I've experienced any difficulty buying food lately.another_richard said:
Proof is based on data and who needs that when you have faith.Leon said:fpt for foxy
I'm not gonna argue with you about Brexit. Enough for now. We can never agree. For me the sovereignty and democracy arguments trump the others, for you they don't. In the end there is no true answer, it is a matter of personal disposition
But I am going to argue with the idea that UK has a higher Covid death rate than the EU
Here's the Economist list of Covid Excess Deaths
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
There are 14 EU countries with higher death rates than the UK, including big countries like Spain, Poland and Italy. So we are behind most EU countries, If you take all of Europe - is that what you meant? - the UK is even further down the list
I tried to tell this to a lefty friend of mine the other day: that the UK death rate, while depressing, is not uniquely grim. He wasn't having it. "No, Britain has the worst death rate in the world!". It is some weird untrue meme which has got lodged in people's heads - it was true for about four days in January - yet it still clings on, despite ample proof that it is very wrong.
Its similar to the bizarre obsession that there is a shortage of food in the supermarkets.
Or how the "there will be mass unemployment" morphed into "there's a labour shortage".
Straight out of Orwell - Oceania is at war with Eurasia morphs into Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And, I'm old enough to remember when low unemployment was considered a deseirable thing.0 -
Trump has $100m that allows him to run again - and he needs to at least start running again to pocket some of that for himself.spudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.1 -
Tbf to the FDA, it's AZ holding it up. They haven't yet applied for approval, set to do so some time around early September.Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.
Moonshine is wrong in thinking it’s the Biden administration’s role to approve pharmaceuticals, and it would have all kinds of negative consequences were it to try to do so, but it’s increasingly clear (and not just over the vaccines) that there is a failure of leadership at the FDA. Sorting that out will not be a quick matter.0 -
Another sailing gold.0
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Won't he need it to pay his outstanding taxes?eek said:
Trump has $100m that allows him to run again - and he needs to at least start running again to pocket some of that for himself.spudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.0 -
And the US has blocked the export of?ydoethur said:
The doses that, under the terms of their licence, they are selling at cost?rcs1000 said:
The story in the US is a bit more complex than you make out. AstraZeneca filed. The FDA asked for more information. And AstraZeneca - four or five months later - has still not supplied that information.moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Should the FDA not have asked for the information? Maybe. But they did. It was AZ who decided not to supply it.
If one had a cynical hat on, it was because it allowed AZ to sell its US-destined doses for higher prices to the rest of the world.
For the record, I don't see how Trump being President would have made any different whatsoever to this.0 -
What's the hold up?MaxPB said:
Tbf to the FDA, it's AZ holding it up. They haven't yet applied for approval, set to do so some time around early September.Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.
Moonshine is wrong in thinking it’s the Biden administration’s role to approve pharmaceuticals, and it would have all kinds of negative consequences were it to try to do so, but it’s increasingly clear (and not just over the vaccines) that there is a failure of leadership at the FDA. Sorting that out will not be a quick matter.0 -
Morning all. What a vigorous morning on PB.
Interesting little piece about corruption in Liverpool from Lib Dem Voice. Mentions a sum of £950 per citizen wasted over time (which is quite a lot - ~half a year of normal Council Tax?), partly from non-collection of Developer contributions.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/from-eu-capital-of-culture-to-uk-capital-of-corruption-68322.html
The report mentioned - Calder Report - is here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/976197/Liverpool_Best_Value_inspection_report.pdf
Calder has a sense of humour:
"The position documented by the Inspection provides the best empirical evidence of Conquest’s Third Law of Politics ‘The behaviour of any bureaucratic organisation can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies."
Getting my own mini-twitter dogpile this morning, 'cos I agreed with Lord Digby Jones about pronouncing hanging gs. What fun.
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It's just how these people operate. They all know each other and give each other jobs. Britain is an oligarchy. If you're not in the club, you really are not coming in.DecrepiterJohnL said:
True but the two roles are hardly equivalent. Boris is not just hiring his old chum from the Buller, he is hiring him to judge whether it is appropriate to hire him, amongst other charges of sleaze against the government and Boris himself.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
And the government has confirmed Boris did have the final say.
The one Old Etonian that I know reasonably well works for another Old Etonian. I went to a comprehensive school and I have always found it much easier to find work abroad or in firms in the UK run by foreigners with an international workforce. Anyone who thinks this country is anything approaching a meritocracy is nuts.2 -
Not if they’re donations for a political campaign.OldKingCole said:
Won't he need it to pay his outstanding taxes?eek said:
Trump has $100m that allows him to run again - and he needs to at least start running again to pocket some of that for himself.spudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.
That would be illegal, and as we know, when it comes to money Trump would never do anything that might in any way illegal or unethical.0 -
Take Back ControlDecrepiterJohnL said:True but the two roles are hardly equivalent. Boris is not just hiring his old chum from the Buller, he is hiring him to judge whether it is appropriate to hire him, amongst other charges of sleaze against the government and Boris himself.
And the government has confirmed Boris did have the final say.1 -
Yes; silly me. Should have thought of that. Of course, you're right!ydoethur said:
Not if they’re donations for a political campaign.OldKingCole said:
Won't he need it to pay his outstanding taxes?eek said:
Trump has $100m that allows him to run again - and he needs to at least start running again to pocket some of that for himself.spudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.
That would be illegal, and as we know, when it comes to money Trump would never do anything that might in any way illegal or unethical.0 -
More trouble from Belarus - missing activist found hanged:
Vitaly Shishov was found dead this morning. His body was hanged on a tree. Ukrainian police opened an investigation under Article 115 (premeditated murder). They believe it may be a murder disguised as a suicide. Shishov was the head of organisation helping Belarusians in exile
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Big fish, small pond. Keep the foreigners out to protect the chumocracy's closed shop.Scott_xP said:
Take Back ControlDecrepiterJohnL said:True but the two roles are hardly equivalent. Boris is not just hiring his old chum from the Buller, he is hiring him to judge whether it is appropriate to hire him, amongst other charges of sleaze against the government and Boris himself.
And the government has confirmed Boris did have the final say.0 -
Not sure, you'd need to ask AZ.CarlottaVance said:
What's the hold up?MaxPB said:
Tbf to the FDA, it's AZ holding it up. They haven't yet applied for approval, set to do so some time around early September.Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.
Moonshine is wrong in thinking it’s the Biden administration’s role to approve pharmaceuticals, and it would have all kinds of negative consequences were it to try to do so, but it’s increasingly clear (and not just over the vaccines) that there is a failure of leadership at the FDA. Sorting that out will not be a quick matter.0 -
Absolute cack.MrEd said:
We can discuss re Trump until the cows come home. I don’t think he was perfect by any stretch of the imagination to put it mildly. However, the fact is a lot of the opposition to Trump was off his personality, not his achievements as President. No major wars, getting it right on China, tax reform and a booming economy pre-Covid were good achievements. And, as we are seeing with the debacle on the US border on immigration, he was far better than Biden on that too.DavidL said:
Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.MrEd said:
I’m glad someone on here recognises Biden is simply unfit for the job rather than the usual “ooh, isn’t he so refreshing” view you get on this site just because he isn’t Donald Trump. He’s clearly not 100% there on any unbiased interpretation and by 2024, unless they come up with a wonder treatment, it is going to be impossible to hide.DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
The Democrats realise Harris is a disaster, the problem is what to do with her. There is no doubt she wants the Presidency and, as a black woman, it is going to be very hard for anyone else to run against her, given the current identity politics view running the Democrats. Buttigieg being gay is not enough to overcome the fact he is a white male.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.
As for Biden not being malevolent, no he is not but he is complicit in going along with a political culture that is undermining American democracy. Many on here like to point at the Republicans only when it comes to the electoral system but the Democrats are as dirty as Hell on that one too. Go to California and see the effects of Ballot Harvesting. Or let’s discuss how the Hunter Biden details were suppressed pre-election to help Joe.
I’d agree it was a poor choice between the two but, unfortunately, that was the choice. I still think Biden was the poorer pick and nothing in his performance so far has changed that view.
Your boy and his enablers tried to overturn democracy completely.
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Lukashenko seems to be getting even more vicious at the moment. I wonder if he’s under pressure to quit from within his own government?CarlottaVance said:More trouble from Belarus - missing activist found hanged:
Vitaly Shishov was found dead this morning. His body was hanged on a tree. Ukrainian police opened an investigation under Article 115 (premeditated murder). They believe it may be a murder disguised as a suicide. Shishov was the head of organisation helping Belarusians in exile
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1422449141125423106?s=20
Although it has to be said that would make little difference to Belarus as a whole, sadly.1 -
Problem is that the politicians are in the main unqualified to do so. The danger is that they make things far worse rather than better - look at Trump and his eccentricities. There is much to be said for an entrenched regulatory system which evolves over time.fox327 said:
This is not just at the FDA. Medical regulators around the world have been holding back the vaccination programmes.Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.
Moonshine is wrong in thinking it’s the Biden administration’s role to approve pharmaceuticals, and it would have all kinds of negative consequences were it to try to do so, but it’s increasingly clear (and not just over the vaccines) that there is a failure of leadership at the FDA. Sorting that out will not be a quick matter.
They don't seem to understand the difference between a pandemic and a endemic disease, and the wider consequences for society of their decisions or lack of decisions. Politicians now need to review the medical regulators.
And as far as the FDA is concerned, don't forget that the head requires Senate confirmation - and changes would have to get through Congress.
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What we need is PR for local elections in some form. There are simply too many one party states across the land with no serious opposition scrutiny.MattW said:Morning all. What a vigorous morning on PB.
Interesting little piece about corruption in Liverpool from Lib Dem Voice. Mentions a sum of £950 per citizen wasted over time (which is quite a lot - ~half a year of normal Council Tax?), partly from non-collection of Developer contributions.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/from-eu-capital-of-culture-to-uk-capital-of-corruption-68322.html
The report mentioned - Calder Report - is here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/976197/Liverpool_Best_Value_inspection_report.pdf
Calder has a sense of humour:
"The position documented by the Inspection provides the best empirical evidence of Conquest’s Third Law of Politics ‘The behaviour of any bureaucratic organisation can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies."
Getting my own mini-twitter dogpile this morning, 'cos I agreed with Lord Digby Jones about pronouncing hanging gs. What fun.3 -
I'm not sure - the small print allows him a very large amount of leeway indeed with recent donations; they certainly aren't limited to a Presidential campaign.ydoethur said:
Not if they’re donations for a political campaign.OldKingCole said:
Won't he need it to pay his outstanding taxes?eek said:
Trump has $100m that allows him to run again - and he needs to at least start running again to pocket some of that for himself.spudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.
That would be illegal, and as we know, when it comes to money Trump would never do anything that might in any way illegal or unethical.0 -
LibDems should make this a condition of supporting Starmer in any kind of minority Lab government in 2023/4. No messing this time with promises of a referendum like AV.Foxy said:
What we need is PR for local elections in some form. There are simply too many one party states across the land with no serious opposition scrutiny.MattW said:Morning all. What a vigorous morning on PB.
Interesting little piece about corruption in Liverpool from Lib Dem Voice. Mentions a sum of £950 per citizen wasted over time (which is quite a lot - ~half a year of normal Council Tax?), partly from non-collection of Developer contributions.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/from-eu-capital-of-culture-to-uk-capital-of-corruption-68322.html
The report mentioned - Calder Report - is here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/976197/Liverpool_Best_Value_inspection_report.pdf
Calder has a sense of humour:
"The position documented by the Inspection provides the best empirical evidence of Conquest’s Third Law of Politics ‘The behaviour of any bureaucratic organisation can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies."
Getting my own mini-twitter dogpile this morning, 'cos I agreed with Lord Digby Jones about pronouncing hanging gs. What fun.4 -
And a WR for the cyclists in qualifying.OldKingCole said:Another sailing gold.
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Topped very slightly by the Germans in the next qualifier! Will be a very tight final. Looks like Team GB definitely sandbagged yesterday, hopefully the men were too.Nigelb said:
And a WR for the cyclists in qualifying.OldKingCole said:Another sailing gold.
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Afghan government military spokesman on R4 just now saying the Taliban can’t take Lashkar Gah because too many of them are being killed. Shades of Vietnam body counts and the damn VC can’t win because we’re killing them all.0
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Lots of states are doing it, not least in Africa.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dickson, indeed. Worse still is the way Germany, France etc are still so foolish on this (and we came damned close to having Huawei embedded in our 5G network and that's still something that could happen).
The US largely seems to have woken up, and, to a lesser extent, the same's happened here. But Germany... between buying Russian gas, then attending Holocaust Memorial Events before signing up to deals with China, isn't exactly the moral leader some suggest.
Sweden, especially western Sweden - centred on Gothenburg - has very broad and deep commercial connections with China. Symbolised by the huge Volvo Cars deal, but that is merely the tip of an iceberg.
It causes serious problems for the politicians in Stockholm, who bravely try to confront China on a wide range of issues.
The Gothenburgers try to defend themselves by saying that they only deal with private companies, not the state itself. A partially successful strategy to date.
A little introduction in English here:
https://scandasia.com/china-has-major-economic-interests-in-sweden-but-trade-is-not-unproblematic/
For the uninitiated, Gothenburg has always, from day one (1621), been about making cash, so the current popularity of Chinese deals is unsurprising. It is only the latest in a long list of dubious, but highly lucrative, activities over the past four centuries.
Stockholm by contrast is for the nobility and monarch, whereas Uppsala and Lund are for academia and the church. Malmö is just one of the crappier suburbs of Copenhagen. The rest of the country is forests and hillbillies.
There, you’ve had Sweden in a wildly unfair nutshell. Don’t say PB isn’t good value.4 -
edmundintokyo said:
Another reason to think Biden will run again even if they have to pickle him in formaldehyde and wiggle his arms around with strings. He's not going to want to leave the Dems with a lemon, especially if it risks letting Trump back in.Floater said:Someone mentioned Kamala
https://twitter.com/i/events/1421859390106263552
Kamala Harris has become the most unpopular US vice president six months into an administration since at least the 1970s, according to polls.
Alarmed Democrat strategists are grappling with the Vice President's floundering poll numbers which show she is now "underwater," meaning more Americans disapprove, than approve, of her job performance.
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Actually, the Corbyn situation is worse: the new guy in the anti-sleaze watchdog had had a career outside of politics. Seb Corbyn ins an insider's insider. Aged 23, worked on his dad's campaign. Then went to work for his dad's best mate. Zero life experience outside of Cambridge and ultra-left politics.DecrepiterJohnL said:
True but the two roles are hardly equivalent. Boris is not just hiring his old chum from the Buller, he is hiring him to judge whether it is appropriate to hire him, amongst other charges of sleaze against the government and Boris himself.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
And the government has confirmed Boris did have the final say.
And this from a party who got het up about MP's employing family, only to dodge it by getting their best mate's to employ their family. It's more than a little hypocritical.0 -
Regan was considered a monster by a large chunk of the world.spudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.0 -
You should be angry about it when it occurs on the left, because of the utter hypocrisy it reveals. There is a 'chumocracy' alive and well on the left of politics, as there is on the right.Foxy said:
I don't think I have ever defended cronyism in the Labour Party either.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
The nepotism and Chumocracy does show how illusory "taking back control" was.0 -
OK, but general fail by the site to miss it for 2 days given its electoral heft.DecrepiterJohnL said:
You even missed it from earlier in this two-page thread.IshmaelZ said:On topic, did I miss discussion of this from 31 July?
Kamala Harris has become the most unpopular US vice president six months into an administration since at least the 1970s, according to polls.
Alarmed Democrat strategists are grappling with the Vice President's floundering poll numbers which show she is now "underwater," meaning more Americans disapprove, than approve, of her job performance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/31/future-president-kamala-harris-now-underwater-sinking-popularity/0 -
That's the Indy. And there seems to be not a shred of actual evidence of malpractice.OldKingCole said:
Jobs for the sons and daughters of friends is as old as jobs themselves. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; sometimes it's not the best way of hiring someone but sometimes it can work. Rather depends on how how up the chain the job is.Foxy said:
I don't think I have ever defended cronyism in the Labour Party either.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
The nepotism and Chumocracy does show how illusory "taking back control" was.
Has anyone provided any evidence that Johnson had a corrupt role in the process, or how the process worked such that Johnson could manipulate it? Or that the member appointed is unfit to be on the Committee or is corrupt?
Or is this just Hoof-in-Mouth Rayner howling at the moon because it is Tuesday and she still does not have anything to say?
"You were in a student club with him 35 years ago" is some way beyond farfetched.
The only possible chink I can see is if the PM is supplied with say 50 names, from which he then gets to choose who he wants, and that would still require a lot more evidence that we have.
It's quite a dangerous argument to make because it shrinks the pool of acceptable candidates - 'No, you went to the same school when you were six!" - and undermines the expectation of personal integrity.0 -
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Rory Stewart's book on his travels through Afghanistan are a must-read IMO. One takeaway is that it is exceptionally difficult for us westerners to understand the worldview of the remote villagers and tribes. This is made worse by the fact that the NGOs are all in Kabul and the other large cities, whose inhabitants are often largely unaware of life in the provinces. Therefore Kabul becomes an echo-chamber of the way people want Afghanistan to be, rather than the way it is.Theuniondivvie said:Afghan government military spokesman on R4 just now saying the Taliban can’t take Lashkar Gah because too many of them are being killed. Shades of Vietnam body counts and the damn VC can’t win because we’re killing them all.
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Macron is quoted as saying it was pretty much ineffective for old people, which isn't at all what I'm saying and doesn't seem to check out. But from the point of view of a country that already has Moderna and Pfizer, it seems, on available evidence, substantially less effective. Are you disagreeing with that, or are you just complaining that I said "shittier" rather than "less effective"?Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.0 -
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If is not covid it looks like extraordinary Mediterranean temperatures (45+) and fires are creating problems for holidaymakers0 -
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I am not at all sure that AZ has gone back into production in the USA, since the US Govt gave the entire shared plant to J&J. Has it?MaxPB said:
Not sure, you'd need to ask AZ.CarlottaVance said:
What's the hold up?MaxPB said:
Tbf to the FDA, it's AZ holding it up. They haven't yet applied for approval, set to do so some time around early September.Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.
Moonshine is wrong in thinking it’s the Biden administration’s role to approve pharmaceuticals, and it would have all kinds of negative consequences were it to try to do so, but it’s increasingly clear (and not just over the vaccines) that there is a failure of leadership at the FDA. Sorting that out will not be a quick matter.0 -
JFK would have been a better example. Reagan was never that popular outside the US and conservative circles, certainly in western Europe Clinton or even Bush Snr were better regardedAlistair said:
Regan was considered a monster by a large chunk of the world.spudgfsh said:
The outside world rarely has a good opinion of the POTUS (Obama and Reagan excepted). Not being Trump was enough last year and unless Trump is running again (which I doubt will actually happen) it won't be enough in 2024.DavidL said:Getting rid of Trump was important, a point that I think you are reluctant to accept. His behaviour in respect of the invasion of the Capitol and his subsequent attempts to undermine the democratic process demonstrate per adventure that Americans were absolutely right to vote for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Even if he is increasingly senile he is not malevolent, dangerous and delusionary paranoid like Trump.
Hell of a poor choice though. Surely America can do better than this.0 -
I have been!JosiasJessop said:
You should be angry about it when it occurs on the left, because of the utter hypocrisy it reveals. There is a 'chumocracy' alive and well on the left of politics, as there is on the right.Foxy said:
I don't think I have ever defended cronyism in the Labour Party either.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
The nepotism and Chumocracy does show how illusory "taking back control" was.0 -
For the booster jabs in the UK there is still some doubt whether those who had AZN will need one as its effectiveness keeps building ,whereas those who had Pfizer will definitely need one. So I am not sure that AZN will be considered to be less effective than Pfizer in a years time.edmundintokyo said:
Macron is quoted as saying it was pretty much ineffective for old people, which isn't at all what I'm saying and doesn't seem to check out. But from the point of view of a country that already has Moderna and Pfizer, it seems, on available evidence, substantially less effective. Are you disagreeing with that, or are you just complaining that I said "shittier" rather than "less effective"?Nigelb said:
First, there is now more than sufficient data for the FDA to have fully approved all the major vaccines.edmundintokyo said:
The American regulator is responsible for American healthcare, not sending a message to some unspecified small country. The US has sufficient supply of the best vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), so what's the emergency that would justify emergency-use approval of a shittier one?moonshine said:
This is in some ways an even worse fuck up than Macron’s comments. Azn is supposed to be the work horse of the world so the reticence to hold back approval in America is causing incalculable damage, given how much smaller countries pay attention to the US regulator. Compounded of course by the pig headedness of not at least giving it an exception status for foreigners visiting the US who have had it. And finally all the doses they had sitting there for months in fridges.Benpointer said:
Also remarkable that AZN is still not approved in the US.RobD said:
Then you have to add the knock-on effect of all this negative publicity on take-up around the world, especially in countries relying on COVAX. In the end we'll never know for certain, as we won't know what the take-up rates would have been without this unfortunate episode.Benpointer said:
I'm sure the number could be estimated quite well, based on the increased risk to those whose vaccination was delayed for a period, plus the number who were put off having a jab altogether (although the willingness in France to be vaccinated has I believe gone up overall since Macron's comments).RobD said:
That doesn't tell you much. They suspended vaccination for an entire week if memory serves. The number now is almost irrelevant.Benpointer said:
Not so many, judging by the (rather impressive) French vaccination performance.RobD said:On the topic of incompetence and excess deaths, how many excess deaths do we think the whole AZN smearing debacle will actually cause? Looking at you Macron and Mr 8%.
Which is not to diminish the criminal stupidity of Macron's comments.
The most remarkable thing is that AZN and Pfizer have very similar safety profiles, and yet 99% of the negative coverage is on AZN.
Had Trump overseen this, we’d never heard the end of it. I’m increasingly sure Biden’s term will go down as the worst they’ve ever had. Perhaps until Trump #2 next time!
Secondly, referring to AZN as “a shittier one” is precisely the sort of stupidity folks like Macron have engaged in.2 -
Read it. 173 applicants, appointment made by the government after scrutiny by advisory panel. So exactly the scenario yield accept would stink, but about 3 and a half times worse. And a 20 person dining club at University is not equivalent to same school when you were six.MattW said:
That's the Indy. And there seems to be not a shred of actual evidence of malpractice.OldKingCole said:
Jobs for the sons and daughters of friends is as old as jobs themselves. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; sometimes it's not the best way of hiring someone but sometimes it can work. Rather depends on how how up the chain the job is.Foxy said:
I don't think I have ever defended cronyism in the Labour Party either.JosiasJessop said:
That is wrong IMO.Foxy said:What an extraordinary coincidence that the best person to be on the anti-sleaze watchdog just happened to be an old chum of Johnsons from his Bullingdon Club days.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sleaze-committee-standards-public-life-b1895212.html
However, I remember some Corbyn fans on here defending McDonnell employing Corbyn's son in a taxpayer-funded role. By an astonishing coincidence, the son of his best bud was the best candidate for the job.
(Hint, he wasn't.)
If we want to stop people hiring friends, family and chums to roles, especially to taxpayer-funded roles, then it needs to apply equally to all.
The nepotism and Chumocracy does show how illusory "taking back control" was.
Has anyone provided any evidence that Johnson had a corrupt role in the process, or how the process worked such that Johnson could manipulate it? Or that the member appointed is unfit to be on the Committee or is corrupt?
Or is this just Hoof-in-Mouth Rayner howling at the moon because it is Tuesday and she still does not have anything to say?
"You were in a student club with him 35 years ago" is some way beyond farfetched.
The only possible chink I can see is if the PM is supplied with say 50 names, from which he then gets to choose who he wants, and that would still require a lot more evidence that we have.
It's quite a dangerous argument to make because it shrinks the pool of acceptable candidates - 'No, you went to the same school when you were six!" - and undermines the expectation of personal integrity.1 -
If it is President Harris then there is a strong chance it will be hello again President Trump in 2024, as has been posted her approval ratings are abysmal compared to Biden.DavidL said:I really don't believe that Biden will serve his whole term. He has moved on from incoherent to blithering idiot. No doubt he still has lucid moments but he is, in my view, not currently fit for the office he holds. So by 2024 I think we will have President Harris. If she's smart she will bring in Buttigieg as her VP and thus remove the risk of a challenge. He is so much more articulate than anyone I have seen on the American political scene since Bill Clinton was in his pomp.
She would be Hillary 2 and Trump would love to run against her0
