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SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited July 31 in General
imageMy last bet was stupid – Win or lose – politicalbetting.com

Last week I wrote about the Olympic medal markets, and why I had bet on the USA to get under 111 and 113 medals with two bookies. This was stupid. I placed the bet for the wrong reasons and went beyond my Circle of Competence.

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  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 365
    First like the mixed triathlon relay team!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Second like the American mixed triathlon relay team!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,300
    edited July 31
    Edit: third like Scottish Labour.
  • YoungTurkYoungTurk Posts: 158
    FPT
    Leon said:

    pigeon said:

    Foxy said:

    On topic.

    I expect waiting lists to continue ballooning. There are still a lot of referrals to be made when GPS eventually catch up with them.

    For the purpose of electoral betting though it is worth noting that these will be very patchy. Some areas have been much more disrupted than others. Birmingham is a mess again for example, while some areas are getting off lightly, so have kept elective services going, and hence waiting lists short. Headline numbers are one thing, but personal experience is a much tougher

    Is it bad up in Leicester? I'm imagining that there may be a broad correlation between areas that already had comparatively poor health outcomes pre-Plague, those that were shellacked by the Plague, and those with horrendous waiting lists - but I've no idea to what extent this is true.

    Husband is a semi-regular visitor to Addenbrooke's due to various issues, and has barely suffered any disruption at all.
    Out of interest, why do you refer to the Covid pandemic as 'the Plague'? Is it some attempt at light-heartedness to raise the mood a little?

    The Plague is surely the infectious disease caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis, and otherwise known as the Black Death. Or am I being too pedantic here?
    You are being too pedantic. I call it The Plague as well

    Because it is
    It's ambiguous. "The Plague" could also refer to smartphones.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    Well off the pace like Team GB rowing....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    This Circle of Competence thing sounds like a Dominic Cummings blog twitter substack.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31

    This Circle of Competence thing sounds like a Dominic Cummings blog twitter substack.

    Circle...far too simplistic for big dom, it would be a 3-sphere (a 4 dimensional sphere) of (in)competence
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31
    Drug cheat popped in women's 100m....is that the first drugs bust so far?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31
    BBC doing it again, same sport on both channels, just with a delay....after 25 mins of filler after Team GB win.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    BREAKING: Australian city of Brisbane and surrounding areas put on coronavirus lockdown after 6 new cases
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,861
    Report from London's night life.

    It's back. It's almost as if the last 18 months never happened. Genuinely think that nothing can break us. London will always prevail where other places won't.

    It's legitimately everything I remember from two years ago with the same sad haters who believe no one ever really wants to leave their house after 9pm. I think there's a pretty big correlation between those saddos and the people who think permanent remote working is how we'll all live forever.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,755

    BREAKING: Australian city of Brisbane and surrounding areas put on coronavirus lockdown after 6 new cases

    And they're using the army to enforce the lockdown in Sydney.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58021718.amp
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,699

    BREAKING: Australian city of Brisbane and surrounding areas put on coronavirus lockdown after 6 new cases

    Lockdown for only six cases? How is that sustainable...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31
    RobD said:

    BREAKING: Australian city of Brisbane and surrounding areas put on coronavirus lockdown after 6 new cases

    Lockdown for only six cases? How is that sustainable...
    I actually no idea what are they doing in Australia to support business and employees. Constant stop start is even worse than having a longer lockdown every 6 months.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    The women's triple jump sounds like a one-horse race. Yulimar Rojas of Venezuela is a best-priced 1/5 with Unibet, 1/7 generally. She has cleared 15 metres five times this year, and no-one else has done so ever.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31
    When was the last time Team GB were really competitive in 800m and 1500m?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    The bell for the last lap in the 800m seems a bit superfluous given there are only two laps.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,042

    When was the last time Team GB were really competitive in 800m and 1500m?

    Moscow? LA?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31
    Answer my own question....No British man has won an Olympic middle-distance medal for more than 30 years.

    For all the money pumped into athletics that is very poor.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Fenman said:

    When was the last time Team GB were really competitive in 800m and 1500m?

    Moscow? LA?
    Coe and Ovett in Moscow 1980; Steve Cram in LA 1984.

    But on paper, this year, Elliot Giles and Oliver Dustin should have been competitive, and should have made the final. Not sure what went wrong with Dustin. Earlier this year he had a drug scare when a reported positive for cocaine turned out to be due to cross-contamination.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Two falls on the inside lane. Is that where there was standing water yesterday? Is the track ok?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144

    Fenman said:

    When was the last time Team GB were really competitive in 800m and 1500m?

    Moscow? LA?
    Coe and Ovett in Moscow 1980; Steve Cram in LA 1984.

    But on paper, this year, Elliot Giles and Oliver Dustin should have been competitive, and should have made the final. Not sure what went wrong with Dustin. Earlier this year he had a drug scare when a reported positive for cocaine turned out to be due to cross-contamination.
    None of the Brits look like they have a chance from those heats.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31
    Mens middle distance does seem to be a particular issue for Team GB.

    Although not as strong as previous, normally Brits always have competitive sprinters in 100m and 200m, where we expect at least a finalist in both at these Olympics and also had good 400m athletes over recent past.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743

    Fenman said:

    When was the last time Team GB were really competitive in 800m and 1500m?

    Moscow? LA?
    Coe and Ovett in Moscow 1980; Steve Cram in LA 1984.

    But on paper, this year, Elliot Giles and Oliver Dustin should have been competitive, and should have made the final. Not sure what went wrong with Dustin. Earlier this year he had a drug scare when a reported positive for cocaine turned out to be due to cross-contamination.
    None of the Brits look like they have a chance from those heats.
    Giles was third in the fastest heat and looked as if he could have run faster. The problem is the winners of the other heats, of course, but a bronze is not impossible, even if you'd not put the rent money on it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144

    Fenman said:

    When was the last time Team GB were really competitive in 800m and 1500m?

    Moscow? LA?
    Coe and Ovett in Moscow 1980; Steve Cram in LA 1984.

    But on paper, this year, Elliot Giles and Oliver Dustin should have been competitive, and should have made the final. Not sure what went wrong with Dustin. Earlier this year he had a drug scare when a reported positive for cocaine turned out to be due to cross-contamination.
    None of the Brits look like they have a chance from those heats.
    Giles was third in the fastest heat and looked as if he could have run faster. The problem is the winners of the other heats, of course, but a bronze is not impossible, even if you'd not put the rent money on it.
    He definitely wound it down a bit at the end, but there was at least a handful of others that looked like they didn't even have to engage the after burners at all
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    More sodding filler from the BBC....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    I see Lozza Fox is going to boycott Costa because they are following the law in Ireland over vaccine passports...he is becoming a parody of himself.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    Israel COVID update:

    - New cases: 2,280
    - Average: 1,909 (+184)
    - In hospital: 304 (+41)
    - In ICU: 30 (-2)
    - New deaths: 3

    Population vaccinated:
    - 1st dose: 62.19% (+0.05)
    - 2nd dose: 57.76% (+0.18)
    - 3rd dose: 0.02% (+0.00002)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144
    edited July 31
    GOLLLDDDDDDDD in the pool....after disastrous start.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    edited July 31
    Seven golds so far then. Two mixed relays, which weren't even a thing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,144

    Seven golds so far then.

    I think its 8 now.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    edited July 31

    Seven golds so far then.

    I think its 8 now.
    Could be. I'm knackered. ETA now you come to mention it, the BBC says eight as well. :blush:
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Team GB's Paul Casey is two strokes off the lead in the early part of round 3 (of 4) in the golf.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,220
    Triathlon transition was mentioned on the previous thread.

    A few years ago, when Channel 4 used to show this sort of thing in the early mornings, they covered a triathlon race. The lead woman ran into the transition area after the bike stage ... and could not find her bag. The other competitors streamed in as she searched. After a couple of minutes she found it, hooked her bike up and changed shoes.

    Except you have to leave all your kit within lines on the floor (to avoid interrupting anyone else's changing routine), and her shoes were all over the place. So she got a penalty.

    Heartbreaking and hilarious at the same time ...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743

    Team GB's Paul Casey is two strokes off the lead in the early part of round 3 (of 4) in the golf.

    Casey has taken a share of the lead on 11 under.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    5am. How did that happen?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743

    Team GB's Paul Casey is two strokes off the lead in the early part of round 3 (of 4) in the golf.

    Casey has taken a share of the lead on 11 under.
    Sharing the lead are Team GB's Paul Casey, Ireland's Shane Lowry, Japan's (and PB's home course theory tip) Hideki Matsuyama, American favourite Xander Schauffele, and Mexico's Carlos Ortiz. Still a round and a half left so anyone in the top 20 or so can still win.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Lauren Price is through to the semi-finals of the women's boxing so is guaranteed a medal. The only question is which colour.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,607

    5am. How did that happen?

    It seems to happen the same time every day recently...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Foxy said:

    5am. How did that happen?

    It seems to happen the same time every day recently...
    Probably Brexit, though the government will blame Covid.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,300
    Sage experts ‘almost certain’ new variants will eventually beat vaccines

    …Government scientists set out three scenarios in which coronavirus could evolve to become more dangerous, with experts branding the chance of gradual changes in the illness eventually making vaccines fail ‘almost inevitable’.

    …‘The consequence could be a virus that causes disease at a level similar to Covid-19 when it first emerged but against which our current battery of spike glycoprotein-based vaccines would not work.’

    … Dr Philippa Whitford MP [SNP], Vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Vaccines for All said: ‘This report, which should have sent shock waves through the UK Government, was instead quietly snuck out among a glut of reports during parliamentary recess.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/30/sage-experts-almost-certain-new-variants-will-eventually-beat-vaccines-15017199/amp/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Team GB's Seonaid McIntosh is on course to qualify in the shooting.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 903

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Fascinating. I wonder where he plans on finding all these Latin teachers?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,932

    Sage experts ‘almost certain’ new variants will eventually beat vaccines

    …Government scientists set out three scenarios in which coronavirus could evolve to become more dangerous, with experts branding the chance of gradual changes in the illness eventually making vaccines fail ‘almost inevitable’.

    …‘The consequence could be a virus that causes disease at a level similar to Covid-19 when it first emerged but against which our current battery of spike glycoprotein-based vaccines would not work.’

    … Dr Philippa Whitford MP [SNP], Vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Vaccines for All said: ‘This report, which should have sent shock waves through the UK Government, was instead quietly snuck out among a glut of reports during parliamentary recess.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/30/sage-experts-almost-certain-new-variants-will-eventually-beat-vaccines-15017199/amp/

    I take they have assumed the vaccines are fixed at a point in time which the viruses continuously evolve?

    In which case…. Duhrrrrrr….
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,501
    Boris Johnson’s support has collapsed in Conservative heartlands in the southeast and east of England, according to a poll that suggests the party could lose 17 seats. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-support-slipping-away-in-true-blue-conservative-territory-lf0npgp90?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627705717
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    pigeon said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Fascinating. I wonder where he plans on finding all these Latin teachers?
    Cynics will wonder if this is a ploy to funnel more money to well-connected free schools that already teach Latin.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,724

    Sage experts ‘almost certain’ new variants will eventually beat vaccines

    …Government scientists set out three scenarios in which coronavirus could evolve to become more dangerous, with experts branding the chance of gradual changes in the illness eventually making vaccines fail ‘almost inevitable’.

    …‘The consequence could be a virus that causes disease at a level similar to Covid-19 when it first emerged but against which our current battery of spike glycoprotein-based vaccines would not work.’

    … Dr Philippa Whitford MP [SNP], Vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Vaccines for All said: ‘This report, which should have sent shock waves through the UK Government, was instead quietly snuck out among a glut of reports during parliamentary recess.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/30/sage-experts-almost-certain-new-variants-will-eventually-beat-vaccines-15017199/amp/

    So? Saying that a killer virus might occur isn’t exactly groundbreaking. What exactly are politicians supposed to do with this information?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,231

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,699
    edited July 31
    tlg86 said:

    Sage experts ‘almost certain’ new variants will eventually beat vaccines

    …Government scientists set out three scenarios in which coronavirus could evolve to become more dangerous, with experts branding the chance of gradual changes in the illness eventually making vaccines fail ‘almost inevitable’.

    …‘The consequence could be a virus that causes disease at a level similar to Covid-19 when it first emerged but against which our current battery of spike glycoprotein-based vaccines would not work.’

    … Dr Philippa Whitford MP [SNP], Vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Vaccines for All said: ‘This report, which should have sent shock waves through the UK Government, was instead quietly snuck out among a glut of reports during parliamentary recess.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/30/sage-experts-almost-certain-new-variants-will-eventually-beat-vaccines-15017199/amp/

    So? Saying that a killer virus might occur isn’t exactly groundbreaking. What exactly are politicians supposed to do with this information?
    Shouldn't it also have sent shockwaves through the Scottish Government, given that they are in charge of health policy?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,554
    At first glance it looks like the lead was written by OGH
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 903
    RobD said:

    BREAKING: Australian city of Brisbane and surrounding areas put on coronavirus lockdown after 6 new cases

    Lockdown for only six cases? How is that sustainable...
    They will be bricking it at the thought of ending up like Sydney. Australia is in such a dire state with respect to vaccinations, and so desperate to avoid a massacre akin to that which has befallen so many other nations, that lockdown is the first and the only weapon it has - but once Delta gets a proper grip anywhere, it is so transmissible that it looks like lockdown can't properly wipe it out.

    As I've said before, now that community transmission there is well-established, Sydney could be stuck in lockdown until Australia is somewhere close to where we are in terms of vaccination levels. That might take until next year.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 903

    Answer my own question....No British man has won an Olympic middle-distance medal for more than 30 years.

    For all the money pumped into athletics that is very poor.

    GB Athletics - Olympic medal performance since 2000

    Sydney (2,2,2):


    Gold:
    Denise Lewis, Heptathlon
    Jonathan Edwards, Triple Jump
    Silver:
    Darren Campbell, 200m
    Steve Backley, Javelin
    Bronze:
    Katharine Merry, 400m
    Kelly Holmes, 800m

    Athens (3,0,1):

    Gold:
    Kelly Holmes, 800m & 1500m
    Men's 4x100m relay
    Silver:
    None
    Bronze:
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    Beijing (1,2,5):

    Gold:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Silver:
    Phillips Idowu, Triple Jump
    Germaine Mason, High Jump
    Bronze:
    Men's 4x400m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Tasha Danvers, 400m hurdles
    Goldie Sayers, Javelin
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    London (3,1,1):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Jessica Ennis, Heptathlon
    Silver:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Bronze:
    Robbie Grabarz, High Jump

    Rio de Janeiro (2,1,4):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Silver:
    Jessica Ennis-Hill, Heptathlon
    Bronze:
    Women's 4x100m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Sophie Hitchon, Hammer

    In short, there have been only two British medallists at any distance over 400m this century, even if they so happened to be exceptional ones.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 46,315

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,554
    pigeon said:

    Answer my own question....No British man has won an Olympic middle-distance medal for more than 30 years.

    For all the money pumped into athletics that is very poor.

    GB Athletics - Olympic medal performance since 2000

    Sydney (2,2,2):


    Gold:
    Denise Lewis, Heptathlon
    Jonathan Edwards, Triple Jump
    Silver:
    Darren Campbell, 200m
    Steve Backley, Javelin
    Bronze:
    Katharine Merry, 400m
    Kelly Holmes, 800m

    Athens (3,0,1):

    Gold:
    Kelly Holmes, 800m & 1500m
    Men's 4x100m relay
    Silver:
    None
    Bronze:
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    Beijing (1,2,5):

    Gold:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Silver:
    Phillips Idowu, Triple Jump
    Germaine Mason, High Jump
    Bronze:
    Men's 4x400m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Tasha Danvers, 400m hurdles
    Goldie Sayers, Javelin
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    London (3,1,1):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Jessica Ennis, Heptathlon
    Silver:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Bronze:
    Robbie Grabarz, High Jump

    Rio de Janeiro (2,1,4):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Silver:
    Jessica Ennis-Hill, Heptathlon
    Bronze:
    Women's 4x100m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Sophie Hitchon, Hammer

    In short, there have been only two British medallists at any distance over 400m this century, even if they so happened to be exceptional ones.
    London is therefore 4G?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,817
    edited July 31

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 903
    IanB2 said:

    pigeon said:

    Answer my own question....No British man has won an Olympic middle-distance medal for more than 30 years.

    For all the money pumped into athletics that is very poor.

    GB Athletics - Olympic medal performance since 2000

    Sydney (2,2,2):


    Gold:
    Denise Lewis, Heptathlon
    Jonathan Edwards, Triple Jump
    Silver:
    Darren Campbell, 200m
    Steve Backley, Javelin
    Bronze:
    Katharine Merry, 400m
    Kelly Holmes, 800m

    Athens (3,0,1):

    Gold:
    Kelly Holmes, 800m & 1500m
    Men's 4x100m relay
    Silver:
    None
    Bronze:
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    Beijing (1,2,5):

    Gold:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Silver:
    Phillips Idowu, Triple Jump
    Germaine Mason, High Jump
    Bronze:
    Men's 4x400m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Tasha Danvers, 400m hurdles
    Goldie Sayers, Javelin
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    London (3,1,1):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Jessica Ennis, Heptathlon
    Silver:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Bronze:
    Robbie Grabarz, High Jump

    Rio de Janeiro (2,1,4):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Silver:
    Jessica Ennis-Hill, Heptathlon
    Bronze:
    Women's 4x100m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Sophie Hitchon, Hammer

    In short, there have been only two British medallists at any distance over 400m this century, even if they so happened to be exceptional ones.
    London is therefore 4G?
    Ooops! Typos happen.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,231
    edited July 31
    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    Gavin Williamson right? That's a PB first!

    Even probably!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,554
    pigeon said:

    IanB2 said:

    pigeon said:

    Answer my own question....No British man has won an Olympic middle-distance medal for more than 30 years.

    For all the money pumped into athletics that is very poor.

    GB Athletics - Olympic medal performance since 2000

    Sydney (2,2,2):


    Gold:
    Denise Lewis, Heptathlon
    Jonathan Edwards, Triple Jump
    Silver:
    Darren Campbell, 200m
    Steve Backley, Javelin
    Bronze:
    Katharine Merry, 400m
    Kelly Holmes, 800m

    Athens (3,0,1):

    Gold:
    Kelly Holmes, 800m & 1500m
    Men's 4x100m relay
    Silver:
    None
    Bronze:
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    Beijing (1,2,5):

    Gold:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Silver:
    Phillips Idowu, Triple Jump
    Germaine Mason, High Jump
    Bronze:
    Men's 4x400m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Tasha Danvers, 400m hurdles
    Goldie Sayers, Javelin
    Kelly Sotherton, Heptathlon

    London (3,1,1):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Jessica Ennis, Heptathlon
    Silver:
    Christine Ohuruogu, 400m
    Bronze:
    Robbie Grabarz, High Jump

    Rio de Janeiro (2,1,4):

    Gold:
    Mo Farah, 5,000m & 10,000m
    Silver:
    Jessica Ennis-Hill, Heptathlon
    Bronze:
    Women's 4x100m relay
    Women's 4x400m relay
    Greg Rutherford, Long Jump
    Sophie Hitchon, Hammer

    In short, there have been only two British medallists at any distance over 400m this century, even if they so happened to be exceptional ones.
    London is therefore 4G?
    Ooops! Typos happen.
    Interesting that we all remember London as a stunning success, whereas the athletics medal total is unexceptional.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    edited July 31
    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?

    In any event, why not look for evidence before committing resources? If it helps, great; if not, well, there's a case for learning classics and classical civilisation as the heart of European history anyway but let that case be made.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,554

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    More to the point, if you are going to make the effort to learn a new language it would help if it was of some modern day use.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,699

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,932

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    Hope you all have a great day. Try to find time to enjoy it!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,221

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    I see the BBC forecast for Llandudno is cloudy but dry. I remember my wedding day, almost 60 years ago; cloudy in the morning, and while the photo's were being taken, but as we set off on honeymoon the sun came out and it was a beautiful late afternoon and evening.

    All the best to you and your family, Mr BG!
    Hear hear!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,699

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    It's similar to the romance languages. I'm not sure if it's similar to Welsh.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,231
    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    It's (alleged to be) a neurological advantage. Children who grow up speaking two languages learn a third (etc) more easily, or so 'tis said.

    AIUI there's some evidence, but patchy. If it was general and undeniable, wouldn't we have dozens of tri- and quadri- lingual graduates of Asian origin in, for example the Foreign Office?
    Or is that too simplistic? Apply only to 'similar' languages?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. D, the romance languages are similar to Latin, surely?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,221
    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    It has considerable benefit for learning a large number of European languages, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian.

    It’s also very useful in many fields of archaeology which is a very important subject that in this country is dying on its feet.

    I have misgivings however about where he will find the teachers. It’s not just whether they’re qualified, it’s how they could cope in a state school. Albeit several older languages teachers of my acquaintance do know at least some Latin.

    Incidentally on the subject of multi-talented people, nobody mentioned Tom Lehrer - author, composer, satirist, concert pianist, rocket scientist and mathematics professor.

    Or indeed Victor Borge - singer, composer, linguist, pianist, comedian and chicken farmer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,221
    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    Only Breton of living languages. It is quite different from Irish or Scottish Gaelic although some of the grammatical quirks are the same.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    OT I was ranting about the chrome browser's memory usage the other day and for some reason, it seems particularly bad with the Telegraph, taking up to 1GB-ish a tab/page.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743

    Team GB's Seonaid McIntosh is on course to qualify in the shooting.

    Sadly, it was not to be and Seonaid McIntosh is out.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,221

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    Gavin Williamson has evidence? I thought he just made shit up as he went along.

    I can see how Latin might help with Science given how many scientific names derive from Latin and give an idea of their purpose as a result. But I would have thought if any classical language was useful for maths and by extension ICT it would be Greek, not Latin.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654
    ydoethur said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    I see the BBC forecast for Llandudno is cloudy but dry. I remember my wedding day, almost 60 years ago; cloudy in the morning, and while the photo's were being taken, but as we set off on honeymoon the sun came out and it was a beautiful late afternoon and evening.

    All the best to you and your family, Mr BG!
    Hear hear!
    Hear hear.

    My honeymoon to my late wife was in July 1980. We honeymooned in Cornwall based at Lostwithiel. It was Wimbledon finals the 5th to be precise and we set off full of hope in bright sunshine in her lovely little MGB GT. We arrived in Cornwall and it started to rain. The windscreen wipers failed. We had to go to Bodmin to get it fixed. It rained almost ceaselessly for two weeks... wonderful company, shame about the weather!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 46,315
    Charles said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    Hope you all have a great day. Try to find time to enjoy it!
    Thanks Charles and for once I do not have a speech to make
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,724
    It’s worth watching the mixed medley relay in the swimming. It’s quite an interesting tactical challenge because it’s harder for the women to swim in the wake of the men, which is what our girl on backstroke had to do on the first leg.

    I’m not sure what the relative times are like, but I’d have thought you’d want a man to do the butterfly leg (which is what we did), and then it’s a toss up for the rest. Obviously we went Peaty on breaststroke and he delivered as usual.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,221

    ydoethur said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    I see the BBC forecast for Llandudno is cloudy but dry. I remember my wedding day, almost 60 years ago; cloudy in the morning, and while the photo's were being taken, but as we set off on honeymoon the sun came out and it was a beautiful late afternoon and evening.

    All the best to you and your family, Mr BG!
    Hear hear!
    Hear hear.

    My honeymoon to my late wife was in July 1980. We honeymooned in Cornwall based at Lostwithiel. It was Wimbledon finals the 5th to be precise and we set off full of hope in bright sunshine in her lovely little MGB GT. We arrived in Cornwall and it started to rain. The windscreen wipers failed. We had to go to Bodmin to get it fixed. It rained almost ceaselessly for two weeks... wonderful company, shame about the weather!
    Never heard it called that before ☺️
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    On topic, @Quincel you have my sympathies and understanding.

    I made exactly the same mistake in the Euros; I lost over £100 betting on (and laying) England all at the wrong time because I thought I knew more about football betting than the average punter.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    Gavin Williamson has evidence? I thought he just made shit up as he went along.

    I can see how Latin might help with Science given how many scientific names derive from Latin and give an idea of their purpose as a result. But I would have thought if any classical language was useful for maths and by extension ICT it would be Greek, not Latin.
    There is also the question, that even if Latin does help with, say, Italian, why not teach Italian directly? Make the case for classics on their own merits.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,623
    Charles said:

    Sage experts ‘almost certain’ new variants will eventually beat vaccines

    …Government scientists set out three scenarios in which coronavirus could evolve to become more dangerous, with experts branding the chance of gradual changes in the illness eventually making vaccines fail ‘almost inevitable’.

    …‘The consequence could be a virus that causes disease at a level similar to Covid-19 when it first emerged but against which our current battery of spike glycoprotein-based vaccines would not work.’

    … Dr Philippa Whitford MP [SNP], Vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Vaccines for All said: ‘This report, which should have sent shock waves through the UK Government, was instead quietly snuck out among a glut of reports during parliamentary recess.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/30/sage-experts-almost-certain-new-variants-will-eventually-beat-vaccines-15017199/amp/

    I take they have assumed the vaccines are fixed at a point in time which the viruses continuously evolve?

    In which case…. Duhrrrrrr….
    The report also says:

    "Variants arising with increased transmissibility but decreased pathogenesis/virulence as the virus becomes fully adapted to the human host becoming an endemic infection. Coupled with the likelihood of eventual high populations immunity the infection produces less disease. In other words, this virus will become like other human CoV that causes common colds, but with much less severe disease predominantly in the old or clinically vulnerable.

    Likelihood: Unlikely in the short term, realistic possibility in the long term."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,231

    ydoethur said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    I see the BBC forecast for Llandudno is cloudy but dry. I remember my wedding day, almost 60 years ago; cloudy in the morning, and while the photo's were being taken, but as we set off on honeymoon the sun came out and it was a beautiful late afternoon and evening.

    All the best to you and your family, Mr BG!
    Hear hear!
    Hear hear.

    My honeymoon to my late wife was in July 1980. We honeymooned in Cornwall based at Lostwithiel. It was Wimbledon finals the 5th to be precise and we set off full of hope in bright sunshine in her lovely little MGB GT. We arrived in Cornwall and it started to rain. The windscreen wipers failed. We had to go to Bodmin to get it fixed. It rained almost ceaselessly for two weeks... wonderful company, shame about the weather!
    We went to Cornwall as well; toured in a borrowed (my mothers) Ford Anglia. However for us the weather was quite good.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    tlg86 said:

    It’s worth watching the mixed medley relay in the swimming. It’s quite an interesting tactical challenge because it’s harder for the women to swim in the wake of the men, which is what our girl on backstroke had to do on the first leg.

    I’m not sure what the relative times are like, but I’d have thought you’d want a man to do the butterfly leg (which is what we did), and then it’s a toss up for the rest. Obviously we went Peaty on breaststroke and he delivered as usual.

    No doubt the moneyball stats nerds will be firing up their GPU-powered spreadsheets to work out the ideal combination for Paris 2024. Meanwhile, the apparent randomness of whether men or women took a particular stroke did add to the spectacle.

    What was also interesting and mentioned on the BBC was the way not all our gold medallist swimmers met the stereotypical build: tall with a huge "wing span".
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,817
    edited July 31
    Following up the Highway Code conversation yesterday, I went and had a look at the entrance to a warehouse where a man on a bike was killed by an articulated truck on Wed/Thu. In his 40s. He ended up "underneath it". Time was early morning - 5.15am. Driver arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving. Suspect the driver just had his mind on other things.

    The likely mode of accident here is truck driver not seeing cyclist. Sitelines are excellent if you look, and there are not really any opportunities for a cyclist to lose control. On that assumption...

    This is the entrance. The bunches of flowers are on that lamppost. On Google Farmwell Lane finds it. The entrance is to an Aloga UK warehouse (AP6).



    This is the wider satellite view. The road has a 30mph limit. Normal speed for artics yesterday was 40mph, and I observed a Stobart lorry overtaking another one, the slower one doing 40. Timed from my car speedo. It is a large estate with perhaps 1500-2500 employee movements per day along that road at that point. Plus artics. The shopping centre is Macarthur Glen M1J28.



    This is the close up on the junction, and the separate cycle track is on that side, up a kerb. 2.4m wide estd.



    The junction is poorly designed as anyone on a bike has to look directly behind over their right shoulder to see the entrance, immediately after looking directly behind over their left should shoulder to see the approach road. At the same time. Whilst going round a corner to the left. Then doing a right angle turn on textured paving sloping to the right. This was built a couple of years ago.

    The correct design here is a cycle track swept away from the junction which approaches the road at right angles so that people on bikes can see both ways without looking backwards and being off balance or turning a corner. Perhaps crossing the entrance on a raised platform.

    Alternatively make the cycle track straight across the entrance on a raised platform at track level so the lorry has to stop, and know he does not have priority.

    Plus appropriate signage. And make the curve more difficult for the artic.

    Would the Highway Code changes have helped. I'd say probably through informing road design over time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 46,315

    Charles said:

    Sage experts ‘almost certain’ new variants will eventually beat vaccines

    …Government scientists set out three scenarios in which coronavirus could evolve to become more dangerous, with experts branding the chance of gradual changes in the illness eventually making vaccines fail ‘almost inevitable’.

    …‘The consequence could be a virus that causes disease at a level similar to Covid-19 when it first emerged but against which our current battery of spike glycoprotein-based vaccines would not work.’

    … Dr Philippa Whitford MP [SNP], Vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Vaccines for All said: ‘This report, which should have sent shock waves through the UK Government, was instead quietly snuck out among a glut of reports during parliamentary recess.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/30/sage-experts-almost-certain-new-variants-will-eventually-beat-vaccines-15017199/amp/

    I take they have assumed the vaccines are fixed at a point in time which the viruses continuously evolve?

    In which case…. Duhrrrrrr….
    The report also says:

    "Variants arising with increased transmissibility but decreased pathogenesis/virulence as the virus becomes fully adapted to the human host becoming an endemic infection. Coupled with the likelihood of eventual high populations immunity the infection produces less disease. In other words, this virus will become like other human CoV that causes common colds, but with much less severe disease predominantly in the old or clinically vulnerable.

    Likelihood: Unlikely in the short term, realistic possibility in the long term."
    Sadly, there is an element in our Country who seem to be intent in preventing some semblance of a return to normal life
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,817

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    Gavin Williamson has evidence? I thought he just made shit up as he went along.

    I can see how Latin might help with Science given how many scientific names derive from Latin and give an idea of their purpose as a result. But I would have thought if any classical language was useful for maths and by extension ICT it would be Greek, not Latin.
    There is also the question, that even if Latin does help with, say, Italian, why not teach Italian directly? Make the case for classics on their own merits.
    There's the cultural / literature stuff, and the history (learnt more about Romans than I did in history), the knowledge of how language developed, and the nuts and bolts of how a language works.

    Plus you get the job skills for when you become a Cardinal :smile:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,623

    Charles said:

    Sage experts ‘almost certain’ new variants will eventually beat vaccines

    …Government scientists set out three scenarios in which coronavirus could evolve to become more dangerous, with experts branding the chance of gradual changes in the illness eventually making vaccines fail ‘almost inevitable’.

    …‘The consequence could be a virus that causes disease at a level similar to Covid-19 when it first emerged but against which our current battery of spike glycoprotein-based vaccines would not work.’

    … Dr Philippa Whitford MP [SNP], Vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Vaccines for All said: ‘This report, which should have sent shock waves through the UK Government, was instead quietly snuck out among a glut of reports during parliamentary recess.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/30/sage-experts-almost-certain-new-variants-will-eventually-beat-vaccines-15017199/amp/

    I take they have assumed the vaccines are fixed at a point in time which the viruses continuously evolve?

    In which case…. Duhrrrrrr….
    The report also says:

    "Variants arising with increased transmissibility but decreased pathogenesis/virulence as the virus becomes fully adapted to the human host becoming an endemic infection. Coupled with the likelihood of eventual high populations immunity the infection produces less disease. In other words, this virus will become like other human CoV that causes common colds, but with much less severe disease predominantly in the old or clinically vulnerable.

    Likelihood: Unlikely in the short term, realistic possibility in the long term."
    Sadly, there is an element in our Country who seem to be intent in preventing some semblance of a return to normal life
    The report is full of the word 'could'. Many terrible things could happen and there is some sense in making plans. But I don't see how we can go back into lockdown and increased restrictions because the virus might mutate in a bad way. It might mutate in a good way looking at the report.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 4,450
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    Gavin Williamson has evidence? I thought he just made shit up as he went along.

    I can see how Latin might help with Science given how many scientific names derive from Latin and give an idea of their purpose as a result. But I would have thought if any classical language was useful for maths and by extension ICT it would be Greek, not Latin.
    As a mathematician I fail to see how Latin or any language helps one iota. The fact that a notation is derived from another language eg iota, is completely irrelevant. If a minister thinks this they clearly have no understanding whatsoever of what is involved in doing maths
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,221
    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    Gavin Williamson has evidence? I thought he just made shit up as he went along.

    I can see how Latin might help with Science given how many scientific names derive from Latin and give an idea of their purpose as a result. But I would have thought if any classical language was useful for maths and by extension ICT it would be Greek, not Latin.
    As a mathematician I fail to see how Latin or any language helps one iota. The fact that a notation is derived from another language eg iota, is completely irrelevant. If a minister thinks this they clearly have no understanding whatsoever
    I’d have stopped there, tbh.

    My knowledge of maths extends to trolling the maths teachers at my school by putting up 2+2=5 on the whiteboards before maths lessons. I couldn’t personally see a link but I thought there might be one for Greek. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,993

    On topic, @Quincel you have my sympathies and understanding.

    I made exactly the same mistake in the Euros; I lost over £100 betting on (and laying) England all at the wrong time because I thought I knew more about football betting than the average punter.

    I actually think Quincel's bet and reasoning were fine. Why? Team medal lines are a weak market where £100 will move the price considerably, therefore the odds compilers put little time into them. Punters can do likewise and still come out ahead.

    Whereas in the Euro2020/1 football, we are not taking on the average punter but syndicates who bet in millions on England games and have very likely considered (and reasonably weighted) most angles. There is still some value around on who will win those games but it is rarely obvious or quick to find.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,817
    edited July 31
    Having said all of that re: the man on a bike killed, that is mainly thinking about the junction, The bike track is heavily obstructed at two or three points further up so as to be unusable, that he may even have been on the road.

    What the thing needed was a decent cycle track to all the units, away from the road, which also provided access to MacArthur Glen (3m visitors a year, cycle space about 4, very difficult to cycle to).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,993
    List of things people turning 18 should have learnt more about:

    Health & Exercise, Cooking & Nutrition, Relationships, Money, Mind & Body, "How to use tech to enhance life as opposed to let it become life" (Can't think of a word for this at the moment but it is important in an age where tech companies increasingly exploit and control us).

    Anyone coming up with Latin is doing this for nostalgia only, fortunately it will fail as will resonate only with Tory public school oldies, and be laughed out by the crucial Tory red wall oldies.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 4,450
    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    Gavin Williamson has evidence? I thought he just made shit up as he went along.

    I can see how Latin might help with Science given how many scientific names derive from Latin and give an idea of their purpose as a result. But I would have thought if any classical language was useful for maths and by extension ICT it would be Greek, not Latin.
    As a mathematician I fail to see how Latin or any language helps one iota. The fact that a notation is derived from another language eg iota, is completely irrelevant. If a minister thinks this they clearly have no understanding whatsoever
    I’d have stopped there, tbh.

    My knowledge of maths extends to trolling the maths teachers at my school by putting up 2+2=5 on the whiteboards before maths lessons. I couldn’t personally see a link but I thought there might be one for Greek. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
    My comment wasn't aimed at you @ydoethur but our friend Gavin. Thought your post reasonable.

    PS I can make that 2+ 2 = 5 work for you with a bit of thought.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,221
    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    He's probably right. It has huge underlying benefits for background knowledge / skills.
    That is the claim but evidence is patchy. If learning an additional language, like, say, Welsh, helps other languages, mathematics, or whatever, then why aren't pupils in, say, Wales, racing ahead?
    Is Welsh similar enough to other languages to be useful in that way?
    I've no idea because without seeing Gavin Williamson's evidence, it is hard to know. However, since it is also claimed that classics help with other subjects like maths, biology and computing, there must be more to it than its closeness to French or German.
    Gavin Williamson has evidence? I thought he just made shit up as he went along.

    I can see how Latin might help with Science given how many scientific names derive from Latin and give an idea of their purpose as a result. But I would have thought if any classical language was useful for maths and by extension ICT it would be Greek, not Latin.
    As a mathematician I fail to see how Latin or any language helps one iota. The fact that a notation is derived from another language eg iota, is completely irrelevant. If a minister thinks this they clearly have no understanding whatsoever
    I’d have stopped there, tbh.

    My knowledge of maths extends to trolling the maths teachers at my school by putting up 2+2=5 on the whiteboards before maths lessons. I couldn’t personally see a link but I thought there might be one for Greek. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
    My comment wasn't aimed at you @ydoethur but our friend Gavin. Thought your post reasonable.

    PS I can make that 2+ 2 = 5 work for you with a bit of thought.
    Nice to know it was reasonable, even if it was wrong.

    My 2+2=5 is as follows:

    2.49+2.49=4.98

    Round all of them to the nearest whole number.

    Amuses the children no end.

    If there’s a proper way of doing it I’d be interested to hear it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,280

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    Have a great day.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,743
    Olympics golf. After the third round, we have:-

    1 Xander Schauffele -14
    2 Hideki Matsuyama -13
    3= Paul Casey -12
    3= Carolos Ortiz -12

    Especially for patriotic Casey backers, and "local hero" Matsuyama punters, there is the question whether to take profits now or let bets run and hope for the gold (and that none of the others improve past them in the final round) tonight.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 46,315
    DavidL said:

    Gavin Williamson thinks teaching Latin will improve maths and modern foreign language learning (and by coincidence, Boris is a keen classicist so that would be a reason to keep Williamson on).

    Latin will be taught in state schools to end its ‘elitist’ status
    Officials believe subject will help pupils learn modern foreign languages and could bring improvements in English and maths

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/30/latin-will-taught-state-schools-end-elitist-status/ (£££)

    Modern foreign languages such as Chinese?

    Every so often, as I recall, there's some sort of justification for the teaching of Latin. Last time it was because it developed skills which were useful in computer programming.

    And Good Morning one and all. Trust all goes well for Big G's festivities today.
    Have just given my son a cup of coffee, having stayed overnight with us for the first time in over 20 years in his old bedroom

    And thank you for your kind comments

    And at least the forecast here is for a dry day after yesterday deluge
    Have a great day.
    Thanks David.

    Gareth is the last of our three children to marry though he has been with his partner for 12 years and have two wonderful children
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,280

    List of things people turning 18 should have learnt more about:

    Health & Exercise, Cooking & Nutrition, Relationships, Money, Mind & Body, "How to use tech to enhance life as opposed to let it become life" (Can't think of a word for this at the moment but it is important in an age where tech companies increasingly exploit and control us).

    Anyone coming up with Latin is doing this for nostalgia only, fortunately it will fail as will resonate only with Tory public school oldies, and be laughed out by the crucial Tory red wall oldies.

    I did Latin at school. It taught me grammar, some interesting history, some superb culture (the Aeneid is just brilliant), improved my memory skills and helped develop analytical skills. It also helped with law a little bit.

    I am not saying that there are not more useful subjects but there have been studies in the US where it was found that those who studied Latin did better in other subjects although I always wondered about the correlative effects there.

    The question of where to find the Latin teachers is definitely pertinent. When I left school over 40 years ago all of my classics teachers were older than I am now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,280
    On topic, whilst I completely agree with @Quincel's central point I think his bets have a good chance of coming off. In the pool in particular the US have significantly underperformed their usual levels and I think that they are below par in the gymnastics too, if by less.
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