Now a quarantine exemption plan for toffs – the rest of us will have to suffer – politicalbetting.co
The government have announced that senior executives can temporarily leave quarantine, in England, if they are undertaking activities with a significantly economic benefit.One rule for the elites, another for everyone else. pic.twitter.com/xlwUgKGKnT
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This is the graph from the study quoted in the Herald. It's the worst kind of shitty reporting.DavidL said:
What we really, really need is for these numpties to be offering up bets so we can take some money off them and they learn to be less stupid.CarlottaVance said:Scottish Government modellers warn Covid cases could hit 100,000 a week by mid-July
https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1409792982203703300?s=20
They even compare 'may hit 100,000 per week', with a current level of 3,000 per day to make it sound bigger.
It's all up there with media squeezing out sensationalist reports of "Reproduction Rate could be 1", when the scientists were reporting "0.7 to 1.0", with the central tendency around 0.85.
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A further reminder that restrictions are functionally over and the July 19th decision is just about continuing to torture pub owners and engaged couples rather than any impact on a deadly pandemic.0
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Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.1 -
Maybe this is part of the long-term plan.
Maybe the behavioural scientists have decided that we will collectively baulk at the idea of freedom - so the idea is to try and introduce such contempt for the idea of the restrictions that anger with them overcomes fear.2 -
Oh, I made 2nd and 6th.
Better than all the rest of the Five Nations Rugby Tournament of Blessed Memory did in the football.0 -
3,000 a day to 100,000 a week is an R0 of 5 which while possible feels rather improbably given vaccination rates.MattW said:
This is the graph from the study quoted in the Herald. It's the worst kind of shitty reporting.DavidL said:
What we really, really need is for these numpties to be offering up bets so we can take some money off them and they learn to be less stupid.CarlottaVance said:Scottish Government modellers warn Covid cases could hit 100,000 a week by mid-July
https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1409792982203703300?s=20
They even compare 'may hit 100,000 per week', with a current level of 3,000 per day to make it sound bigger.
It's all up there with media squeezing out sensationalist reports of "Reproduction Rate could be 1", when the scientists were reporting "0.7 to 1.0", with the central tendency around 0.85.1 -
I mostly move in moderate circles. As a Lib Dem most of my friends are reasonably caring and moderate people. My wife worked on the NHS front line throughout the crisis. But they all feel enough is enough. This finishes on July 19th regardless of the government's opinion.1
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R0 of 5-6 is roughly the base rate of Indian variant....so given 80% of the population are / will shortly be vaccinated, seems nonsense. The virus won't be able to find enough people to replicate at an R of 5.eek said:
3,000 a day to 100,000 a week is an R0 of 5 which while possible feels rather improbably given vaccination rates.MattW said:
This is the graph from the study quoted in the Herald. It's the worst kind of shitty reporting.DavidL said:
What we really, really need is for these numpties to be offering up bets so we can take some money off them and they learn to be less stupid.CarlottaVance said:Scottish Government modellers warn Covid cases could hit 100,000 a week by mid-July
https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1409792982203703300?s=20
They even compare 'may hit 100,000 per week', with a current level of 3,000 per day to make it sound bigger.
It's all up there with media squeezing out sensationalist reports of "Reproduction Rate could be 1", when the scientists were reporting "0.7 to 1.0", with the central tendency around 0.85.0 -
My dad's been complaining about football carrying on during the pandemic. He was shocked that spectators were allowed to stay at Wimbledon when they closed the roof. It's starting to really wind him up.0
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Surely this is a joke? Can't wait to see how they defend this one...0
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I'm sure he's lovely really, but you don't paint a very attractive picture.tlg86 said:My dad's been complaining about football carrying on during the pandemic. He was shocked that spectators were allowed to stay at Wimbledon when they closed the roof. It's starting to really wind him up.
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I think it is fairly clear that is the government opinion. I suppose the only worry is the scientists show Boris some scary graph based on a totally bollocks model and he shits his pants again.Fenman said:I mostly move in moderate circles. As a Lib Dem most of my friends are reasonably caring and moderate people. My wife worked on the NHS front line throughout the crisis. But they all feel enough is enough. This finishes on July 19th regardless of the government's opinion.
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The real maverick that has gone out of baseball, the knuckle ball pitcher. There is something incredible that rather than 100mph, some chubby bloke throws it like he is a dad throwing to his kid and these superstars can't hit it.dixiedean said:
Trout is a bit of an exception though. He has 4 of the 5 assets. His only drawback being an ordinary, though not sub par, fielder.FrancisUrquhart said:
Mike Trout waves......the highest paid player in baseball....dixiedean said:
I do wonder about all this. The West Indies of the 70's happened upon half a dozen world class pace bowlers. And maintained that through the end of the 80's. Every one and their dog wanted to be a pace bowler, and every other country tried to copy them.Pulpstar said:Brady is an interesting one. His success at quarterbacking NFL isn't I think because he's the most talented (His draft was famously terrible) but because he does precisely what's needed when it's needed. He's basically got the world's best quarterback analytics % brain built in.
Teams don't find this sort of player that often nowadays because they rely on the stats team to direct around selecting for raw talent; but it still has a massive value - it won't show at a combine mind.
When Shane Warne emerged, he came up against batsmen who'd barely played spin, let alone a leggy, and he made hay. As did Murali.
I wonder if Warne would ever had got a run out as a pro with analytics telling you you could only take wickets bowling at 85 mph +.
It is happening in baseball, where the hitter for average is disappearing. As is the variety in the game.
I don't know enough about baseball, but it sounds a bit like people bemoaning the loss of the brilliant mid range shooters in basketball (who weren't as good at 3 points). Its been shown it is a statistically inferior approach. Having somebody who can shot 35-40% of 3-points is worth just so much more over the course of a season.
My worry is at a younger age. If everyone is looking for the same kind of player, only that kind of player will be produced. Making the sport very samey. Until the fashion and the numbers change.
I'm a great fan of analytics, tbh.
But I'd like to keep mavericks in sport if possible.
However, although I think analytics has played a part, my understanding is that throwing knuckleball is actually incredibly difficult to perfect (like leg-spin but more so) and actually very taxing on the hands. So it really isn't something that people even really try.1 -
Bloody bonkers. It's like they looked at the public anger over Hancock's antics and decided that it would be a really good idea to wind the public up even more.0
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The covid quad is likely to be split 50:50 in that case now that Saj 'Open up' Javid has joined. I guess PM would make the decider based on the state of his underpants.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think it is fairly clear that is the government opinion. I suppose the only worry is the scientists show Boris some scary graph based on a totally bollocks model and he shits his pants again.Fenman said:I mostly move in moderate circles. As a Lib Dem most of my friends are reasonably caring and moderate people. My wife worked on the NHS front line throughout the crisis. But they all feel enough is enough. This finishes on July 19th regardless of the government's opinion.
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Starmer's credibility has been hindered throughout the pandemic by his 'criticise the government then vote for whatever they propose' approach.MrEd said:
I think there is no urgency and / or a sense of not letting them get complacent amongst some of their voters. Let’s be honest though, who sees SKS as credible?contrarian said:
I think the tories are shedding votes in the sense that some tory voters are simpy not turning out. Chesham and Amersham showed this, and I wonder if that's behind their drift in B&S too. Tory no-show.FrancisUrquhart said:
Again I think given how poorly at times the government have handled COVID, Boris exposed as not even a poundshop Churchill, two big scandals over breaking the rules, the underlying consistent stories of some dodgy dealings, Gavin Williamson being Gavin Williamson, a 1.25% swing at this stage in the parliament is a miracle for the Tories.HYUFD said:
It would be a 1.25% swing from Tory to Labour since 2019 though which on UNS would therefore see Labour retain Batley and Spen on Thursday.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think the Torie would take that. Still 42% despite all the terrible headlines and delay of Freedom day / rising cases / etc.CarlottaVance said:Westminster Voting Intention:
CON: 42% (-2)
LAB: 33% (+3)
LDM: 9% (-1)
GRN: 5% (=)
SNP: 4% (=)
Via @SavantaComRes, 25-27 Jun. Changes w/ 18-20 Jun.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1409838493292011521?s=20
I genuinely thought they would have seen serious drop over the past few weeks.
However how many votes Galloway and the far right get will also be pivotal there
Most government have been shedding votes by now.
We are far from 1997 territory yet, but the tories need to find out why and quickly.
Also, Jonathan Ashworth's current approach of trying to vaguely cast doubt on unlocking without proposing any alternative strategy is, to be frank, really getting my goat.
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The problem is that labour is no alternative.rottenborough said:
The covid quad is likely to be split 50:50 in that case now that Saj 'Open up' Javid has joined. I guess PM would make the decider based on the state of his underpants.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think it is fairly clear that is the government opinion. I suppose the only worry is the scientists show Boris some scary graph based on a totally bollocks model and he shits his pants again.Fenman said:I mostly move in moderate circles. As a Lib Dem most of my friends are reasonably caring and moderate people. My wife worked on the NHS front line throughout the crisis. But they all feel enough is enough. This finishes on July 19th regardless of the government's opinion.
Listen to their Health Shadow. We would never get out under them.1 -
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To be honest, he enjoys moaning about the government, so he's happy really. And his local has stopped giving a f*** so he doesn't have to worry about masks when he goes for a pint.maaarsh said:
I'm sure he's lovely really, but you don't paint a very attractive picture.tlg86 said:My dad's been complaining about football carrying on during the pandemic. He was shocked that spectators were allowed to stay at Wimbledon when they closed the roof. It's starting to really wind him up.
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I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
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Only Italy stands in their way....and Italy struggled to put away Austria.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!0 -
On topic.
Terrible idea.0 -
I'd dispute the notion that senior executives are toffs.
Some of them are working class, or the grandchildren of immigrant, hardly toffs.1 -
Wheesht! They were enjoying their Jock bashing.MattW said:
This is the graph from the study quoted in the Herald. It's the worst kind of shitty reporting.DavidL said:
What we really, really need is for these numpties to be offering up bets so we can take some money off them and they learn to be less stupid.CarlottaVance said:Scottish Government modellers warn Covid cases could hit 100,000 a week by mid-July
https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1409792982203703300?s=20
They even compare 'may hit 100,000 per week', with a current level of 3,000 per day to make it sound bigger.
It's all up there with media squeezing out sensationalist reports of "Reproduction Rate could be 1", when the scientists were reporting "0.7 to 1.0", with the central tendency around 0.85.0 -
I have.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!
All things being equal the winner of the England v. Germany match gets to the final.
In a two horse race you'd be happy with a 7/1 bet.0 -
FFS...all reports are that waistcoat is going to be packing the defence, 3 centre backs, at least 2 defensive midfielders, no Grealish, no Foden (and of course no Sancho).
Most other teams would be working out how to maximise the effectiveness of these world class talents, waistcoat sticks them on the bench.
While the Chinese piss themselves at how poor the UK approach to security is, most other countries must piss themselves at finally England have players with world class ability and technique and they don't use them.0 -
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
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7/1 to win the final not to simply get to it. They are 3/1 to reach the final if you think they just have to win tonight.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!
All things being equal the winner of the England v. Germany match gets to the final.
In a two horse race you'd be happy with a 7/1 bet.
Remarkably, despite Spain failing to win their group, they are now the 13/8 favourites (until 23:00 tonight) to reach the final. I backed them at 9/2 before a ball was kicked thinking that they would be in the position Sweden are in now.
But I have a horrible feeling Switzerland might beat Spain. If I were Luis Enrique, I'd make the players watch highlights of the game in 2010.0 -
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Given all the media reports today, Southgate is going to be parking the bus. Against a sodding German team who have an aging / slow and shitty defence.TOPPING said:
England win tonight. You heard it here first.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
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How can it be freedom day when it is still mooted that children will be kept from school if there is a positive test in the class. While literally hundreds of thousands of people go to sports events, the pub, etc.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
What exactly does no more restrictions mean? It means restrictions the govt decides to keep. Plenty of them. Some idiot on R4 just now saying well children...long covid...can affect them....
Vanishingly small probability of a child suffering from Covid. Otherwise, given that it has ripped through schools and unis these past few weeks, we would be hearing reports of children dying by the bucketload each day. Doesn't seem to be happening.0 -
At the moment it is a 14 horse raceTheScreamingEagles said:
I have.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!
All things being equal the winner of the England v. Germany match gets to the final.
In a two horse race you'd be happy with a 7/1 bet.0 -
At least Gareth Southgate won't be taking any penalties tonight2
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Boris Johnson 'aggressively' ignoring Wales' parliament, Mark Drakeford says
"Too often we see the UK government act in an aggressively unilateral way, claiming to act on behalf of the whole UK, but without regard for the status of the nations and the democratic mandates of their governments."
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Leading German sports magazine Kicker: "This English team do not appear stable, they move forward with difficulty, as only two goals prove. Therefore, the chances for the German team in Wembley are 50:50 despite the weak display against Hungary."
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This sounds like one to help potential inward investors - people talking about Gigafactories and the like.
Not quite sure of the allegation that it will 'benefit Tory MPs', as it is for people coming here. That claim seems overenthusiastic.
But I'm sure the politico-chimpanzee-tea-party will be all over it.
Wonder if Angela HoofinMouth will be on this?
I remain unconvinced by this Government's PR abilities.
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Here's the wording:
Applies to:
Certain senior executives (board level or equivalent) travelling to England who would be more likely than not to bring significant economic benefit to the UK as a result of the exempt activity.
Senior executives are classed as bringing ‘significant economic benefit’ if the work they are doing has a greater than 50% chance of creating or preserving at least 500 UK-based jobs in either:
an existing UK-based business which has at least 500 employees
a new UK business within 2 years of the date of their arrival in the UK
Senior executives are only exempt if the business activity requires their physical presence and cannot be done remotely or by anyone who would not need to quarantine.
The senior executive wishing to use the exemption must notify the UK government prior to doing so. They must do this using the business, jobs and investment exemption form.
Only individuals who have received a letter from the UK government confirming that they meet the criteria for the exemption, based on the information provided, will be able to use the exemption. This letter must be obtained before travelling to the UK and presented to Border Force officials upon arrival.0 -
My thinking is that individually the players have oodles of ability. For some reason, pulling on the England shirt has drained whatever energy or determination from them. Against Germany there is nothing to lose and they can let their creative juices run free and play like they don't give a f**k.FrancisUrquhart said:
Given all the media reports today, Southgate is going to be parking the bus. Against a sodding German team who have an aging / slow and shitty defence.TOPPING said:
England win tonight. You heard it here first.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!
Parking the bus will be the wrong approach as Germany only need one or two chances and then where are you.
Just like Deontay Wilder vs Fury. Wilder only needs one shot and it's over. Oh. Hang on...
Anyway - England to win tonight, at pathetic odds, that said.0 -
Sri Lanka were headed for a decent total then they showed their rubbishness.0
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Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row3 -
Speaker says government should just follow its own rules on making statements to Parliament first....
If ministers choose to make important statement outside the chamber first they must not be surprised that I will grant urgent questions on those matters - in fact I am just going to continue to on the basis there may be a statement says the Speaker
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Sri Lanka going well in the cricket again....be all over before the footy.0
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This idea has Sajid Javid written all over it.0
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In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
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The guy who saved Southgate’s 96 penalty is... currently Germany’s goalkeeping coach. https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1409810038919737348/photo/1MikeSmithson said:At least Gareth Southgate won't be taking any penalties tonight
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All things being equal, Wigan would never have won the FA cup.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!
All things being equal the winner of the England v. Germany match gets to the final.
In a two horse race you'd be happy with a 7/1 bet.
Knockout football is weird.
Has anyone done an analysis of whether the favourite team wins more often in league games cf knockout games?0 -
Labour would have a bit more credibility if it wasn’t for the fact that their hero Tony Blair introduced non-executive directorships.Scott_xP said:Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row3 -
Why? People vote for them anyway, as Buckland pointed out when challenged with evidence of shit government "we're really popular actually".rottenborough said:Bloody bonkers. It's like they looked at the public anger over Hancock's antics and decided that it would be a really good idea to wind the public up even more.
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This is an important concession by both parties.algarkirk said:
In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
The EU has conceded a further extension of the current exemptions.
The U.K. has conceded:
a) that it was/is in the EU’s power to deny an extension
b) that the extension is there to allow Northern Irish retailers to source locally or from the Republic, in preference to U.K. supply chains.
The U.K. is slowly conceding the reality of a customs/regulatory border between GB and NI, long after have conceded it legally.1 -
Did anyone go and comfort Southgate when he missed?Scott_xP said:
The guy who saved Southgate’s 96 penalty is... currently Germany’s goalkeeping coach. https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1409810038919737348/photo/1MikeSmithson said:At least Gareth Southgate won't be taking any penalties tonight
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Sounds like those Labour types who moaned about Margaret Thatcher for a full 15 years after her demise.StuartDickson said:
Labour would have a bit more credibility if it wasn’t for the fact that their hero Tony Blair introduced non-executive directorships.Scott_xP said:Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row0 -
Utterly stupid idea - what idiot came up with that?
What counts as "significant economic benefit?
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Lorry driver shortage: UK government and retailers in emergency talks https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/28/lorry-driver-shortage-uk-government-and-retailers-in-emergency-talks-covid-brexit0 -
As a Norwich City fan, we always prefer to "concentrate on the league"Flatlander said:
All things being equal, Wigan would never have won the FA cup.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!
All things being equal the winner of the England v. Germany match gets to the final.
In a two horse race you'd be happy with a 7/1 bet.
Knockout football is weird.
Has anyone done an analysis of whether the favourite team wins more often in league games cf knockout games?0 -
This govt looks more corrupt than any before it in living memory.
In what private company can one appoint an unqualified lover(?) as aide, then push her up to sit on the board that is supposed to be overseeing your performance?
Banana republic stuff.
I see they have finally conceded that Matt Hancock used a private email account, 24 hours after denying it.
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Really? Really?StuartDickson said:
Labour would have a bit more credibility if it wasn’t for the fact that their hero Tony Blair introduced non-executive directorships.Scott_xP said:Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row
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Ah - so pretty different than the header claimed thenMattW said:This sounds like one to help potential inward investors - people talking about Gigafactories and the like.
Not quite sure of the allegation that it will 'benefit Tory MPs', as it is for people coming here. That claim seems overenthusiastic.
But I'm sure the politico-chimpanzee-tea-party will be all over it.
Wonder if Angela HoofinMouth will be on this?
I remain unconvinced by this Government's PR abilities.
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Here's the wording:
Applies to:
Certain senior executives (board level or equivalent) travelling to England who would be more likely than not to bring significant economic benefit to the UK as a result of the exempt activity.
Senior executives are classed as bringing ‘significant economic benefit’ if the work they are doing has a greater than 50% chance of creating or preserving at least 500 UK-based jobs in either:
an existing UK-based business which has at least 500 employees
a new UK business within 2 years of the date of their arrival in the UK
Senior executives are only exempt if the business activity requires their physical presence and cannot be done remotely or by anyone who would not need to quarantine.
The senior executive wishing to use the exemption must notify the UK government prior to doing so. They must do this using the business, jobs and investment exemption form.
Only individuals who have received a letter from the UK government confirming that they meet the criteria for the exemption, based on the information provided, will be able to use the exemption. This letter must be obtained before travelling to the UK and presented to Border Force officials upon arrival.0 -
If they are having to stoop to carrying out economic activity, then they are definitely not toffs.TheScreamingEagles said:I'd dispute the notion that senior executives are toffs.
Some of them are working class, or the grandchildren of immigrant, hardly toffs.5 -
Listen, I’m still blaming the Tories for the Suez crisis.Gardenwalker said:
Sounds like those Labour types who moaned about Margaret Thatcher for a full 15 years after her demise.StuartDickson said:
Labour would have a bit more credibility if it wasn’t for the fact that their hero Tony Blair introduced non-executive directorships.Scott_xP said:Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row2 -
The current Sri Lankan batsmen cannot run.
It's like watching Boycott and Hussain.0 -
The yobs threatening Witty is the just the latest little fizz on the dynamite cord set alight some years ago by the Brexiters.
Saboteurs, enemies of the people etc.
The inflammatory language of treachery has real world consequences; it is has now entered the political lexicon and until the lid is firmly sealed on Johnson’s regime it won’t disappear.
(And it might need more than that - viz Trump and the Republicans).1 -
My prediction for tonight.
It wouldn't be as entertaining as last night.1 -
Didn't Elon Musk turn up the other week, came for a day or two and then left. He obviously clearly didn't quarantine. So is this even a totally new rule?Floater said:
Ah - so pretty different than the header claimed thenMattW said:This sounds like one to help potential inward investors - people talking about Gigafactories and the like.
Not quite sure of the allegation that it will 'benefit Tory MPs', as it is for people coming here. That claim seems overenthusiastic.
But I'm sure the politico-chimpanzee-tea-party will be all over it.
Wonder if Angela HoofinMouth will be on this?
I remain unconvinced by this Government's PR abilities.
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Here's the wording:
Applies to:
Certain senior executives (board level or equivalent) travelling to England who would be more likely than not to bring significant economic benefit to the UK as a result of the exempt activity.
Senior executives are classed as bringing ‘significant economic benefit’ if the work they are doing has a greater than 50% chance of creating or preserving at least 500 UK-based jobs in either:
an existing UK-based business which has at least 500 employees
a new UK business within 2 years of the date of their arrival in the UK
Senior executives are only exempt if the business activity requires their physical presence and cannot be done remotely or by anyone who would not need to quarantine.
The senior executive wishing to use the exemption must notify the UK government prior to doing so. They must do this using the business, jobs and investment exemption form.
Only individuals who have received a letter from the UK government confirming that they meet the criteria for the exemption, based on the information provided, will be able to use the exemption. This letter must be obtained before travelling to the UK and presented to Border Force officials upon arrival.1 -
I don’t agree with @Philip_Thompson and assorted other drawbridge brexiteers on much, but this is one area where they have a point.Scott_xP said:Taking back control-
Lorry driver shortage: UK government and retailers in emergency talks https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/28/lorry-driver-shortage-uk-government-and-retailers-in-emergency-talks-covid-brexit
The government should not manipulate the market to prevent wage rises. It’s a good thing for the industry to recalibrate to domestic employment, higher wages and slightly higher costs.2 -
Not just death, though, is it?TOPPING said:
How can it be freedom day when it is still mooted that children will be kept from school if there is a positive test in the class. While literally hundreds of thousands of people go to sports events, the pub, etc.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
What exactly does no more restrictions mean? It means restrictions the govt decides to keep. Plenty of them. Some idiot on R4 just now saying well children...long covid...can affect them....
Vanishingly small probability of a child suffering from Covid. Otherwise, given that it has ripped through schools and unis these past few weeks, we would be hearing reports of children dying by the bucketload each day. Doesn't seem to be happening.
The probability of them being so seriously ill that they get hospitalised isn't trivial.
Nor is the chance of chronic illness and potential long-term organ damage.
They're not at the level where we can see any realistic chance of the NHS being overwhelmed by such, but we can't really dismiss the concern out of hand.
Unless they authorise use of vaccines for the under-18s very rapidly and get a whole load more supply, I can't see them getting jabbed in time, so it's not really plausible for them to be protected prior to opening up on the 19th. I can understand some being very worried about that, but it's not likely to cause any realistic delay, I wouldn't have thought. The schools breaking up should help a lot by limiting spread, though.0 -
Reading the actual details the header seems miles wide of the mark - how does a Tory use those rules to go on holiday?FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't Elon Musk turn up the other week, came for a day or two and then left. He obviously clearly didn't quarantine. So is this even a totally new rule?Floater said:
Ah - so pretty different than the header claimed thenMattW said:This sounds like one to help potential inward investors - people talking about Gigafactories and the like.
Not quite sure of the allegation that it will 'benefit Tory MPs', as it is for people coming here. That claim seems overenthusiastic.
But I'm sure the politico-chimpanzee-tea-party will be all over it.
Wonder if Angela HoofinMouth will be on this?
I remain unconvinced by this Government's PR abilities.
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Here's the wording:
Applies to:
Certain senior executives (board level or equivalent) travelling to England who would be more likely than not to bring significant economic benefit to the UK as a result of the exempt activity.
Senior executives are classed as bringing ‘significant economic benefit’ if the work they are doing has a greater than 50% chance of creating or preserving at least 500 UK-based jobs in either:
an existing UK-based business which has at least 500 employees
a new UK business within 2 years of the date of their arrival in the UK
Senior executives are only exempt if the business activity requires their physical presence and cannot be done remotely or by anyone who would not need to quarantine.
The senior executive wishing to use the exemption must notify the UK government prior to doing so. They must do this using the business, jobs and investment exemption form.
Only individuals who have received a letter from the UK government confirming that they meet the criteria for the exemption, based on the information provided, will be able to use the exemption. This letter must be obtained before travelling to the UK and presented to Border Force officials upon arrival.
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@IsabelHardman WE HAVE A WINNER: Football kit worn OVER SHIRT AND TIE!
https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1409856313744580608
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Another reason not to use LinkedIn.
A second massive LinkedIn breach reportedly exposes the data of 700M users, which is more than 92% of the total 756M users. The database is for sale on the dark web, with records including phone numbers, physical addresses, geolocation data, and inferred salaries.
The hacker who obtained the data has posted a sample of 1M records, and checks confirm that the data is both genuine and up-to-date …
RestorePrivacy reports that the hacker appears to have misused the official LinkedIn API to download the data, the same method used in a similar breach back in April.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/29/linkedin-breach/
Does Dido Harding work for LinkedIn?0 -
Codified by Blair in 2005.TheScreamingEagles said:
Really? Really?StuartDickson said:
Labour would have a bit more credibility if it wasn’t for the fact that their hero Tony Blair introduced non-executive directorships.Scott_xP said:Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row
They existed well before Blair.
“History of non-executives in Whitehall
Non-executives were first introduced in the early 1990s. In 2005 the first corporate governance Code recommended that each Whitehall department should have at least two NEDs, to sit on the management board chaired by the permanent secretary. At the time there were 37 NEDs, in 14 departments.”
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/sites/constitution-unit/files/178_-_Critical_Friends__The_Role_of_Non_Executives_on_Whitehall_Boards.pdf0 -
Ummm: I'm in LA County and I haven't seen any reintroduction of a mask mandate. And the LA County Covid page has no mention of it (http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/). Also, LA County seven day case numbers are still heading down.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
So, not sure what your source is.0 -
We're accepting that the previous supply chain where NI was an integral part of the UK is over. NI stores will source locally or from the south rather than be plugged into the UK.algarkirk said:
In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
It simply isn't economical to have NI and ROI as separate markets with separate labels and standards. Currently NI big supermarkets supplied mainly from UK with some all Ireland sourcing from ROI. Going forward NI consumers get ROI products.
Bound to be popular with the DUP. "Yet another betrayal" etc.0 -
Cloth eared. Like the leniency towards UEFA bigwigs and hangers on.0
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It betrays a lack of confidence. Makes you think that, as soon as we concede a goal, we are going out of the tournament, and Southgate thinks the same. There's been some great comebacks this tournament. You don't feel like England believe they can do the same.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...all reports are that waistcoat is going to be packing the defence, 3 centre backs, at least 2 defensive midfielders, no Grealish, no Foden (and of course no Sancho).
Most other teams would be working out how to maximise the effectiveness of these world class talents, waistcoat sticks them on the bench.
While the Chinese piss themselves at how poor the UK approach to security is, most other countries must piss themselves at finally England have players with world class ability and technique and they don't use them.0 -
"Sajid Fights For Our Freedom!" - was the tabloid headline that caught my eye today.Gardenwalker said:This idea has Sajid Javid written all over it.
They just create their own fictional world, these people.1 -
Link to the whole thing:Floater said:
Reading the actual details the header seems miles wide of the mark - how does a Tory use those rules to go on holiday?FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't Elon Musk turn up the other week, came for a day or two and then left. He obviously clearly didn't quarantine. So is this even a totally new rule?Floater said:
Ah - so pretty different than the header claimed thenMattW said:This sounds like one to help potential inward investors - people talking about Gigafactories and the like.
Not quite sure of the allegation that it will 'benefit Tory MPs', as it is for people coming here. That claim seems overenthusiastic.
But I'm sure the politico-chimpanzee-tea-party will be all over it.
Wonder if Angela HoofinMouth will be on this?
I remain unconvinced by this Government's PR abilities.
---------------------
Here's the wording:
Applies to:
Certain senior executives (board level or equivalent) travelling to England who would be more likely than not to bring significant economic benefit to the UK as a result of the exempt activity.
Senior executives are classed as bringing ‘significant economic benefit’ if the work they are doing has a greater than 50% chance of creating or preserving at least 500 UK-based jobs in either:
an existing UK-based business which has at least 500 employees
a new UK business within 2 years of the date of their arrival in the UK
Senior executives are only exempt if the business activity requires their physical presence and cannot be done remotely or by anyone who would not need to quarantine.
The senior executive wishing to use the exemption must notify the UK government prior to doing so. They must do this using the business, jobs and investment exemption form.
Only individuals who have received a letter from the UK government confirming that they meet the criteria for the exemption, based on the information provided, will be able to use the exemption. This letter must be obtained before travelling to the UK and presented to Border Force officials upon arrival.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules0 -
Except that the issue has been caused by a supply shock because ofping said:
I don’t agree with @Philip_Thompson and assorted other drawbridge brexiteers on much, but this is one area where they have a point.Scott_xP said:Taking back control-
Lorry driver shortage: UK government and retailers in emergency talks https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/28/lorry-driver-shortage-uk-government-and-retailers-in-emergency-talks-covid-brexit
The government should not manipulate the market to prevent wage rises. It’s a good thing for the industry to recalibrate to domestic employment, higher wages and slightly higher costs.
- Covid
- Brexit
- IR35 etc
At least two of those are deliberate govt policy, and one of them is an act of god which we presumably wish to mitigate against.
It might be that simply overseeing a wage spike might have consequences at the grocery tills.0 -
Isn't freedom day also the end of term?TOPPING said:
How can it be freedom day when it is still mooted that children will be kept from school if there is a positive test in the class. While literally hundreds of thousands of people go to sports events, the pub, etc.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
What exactly does no more restrictions mean? It means restrictions the govt decides to keep. Plenty of them. Some idiot on R4 just now saying well children...long covid...can affect them....
Vanishingly small probability of a child suffering from Covid. Otherwise, given that it has ripped through schools and unis these past few weeks, we would be hearing reports of children dying by the bucketload each day. Doesn't seem to be happening.0 -
People still use LinkedIn?TheScreamingEagles said:Another reason not to use LinkedIn.
A second massive LinkedIn breach reportedly exposes the data of 700M users, which is more than 92% of the total 756M users. The database is for sale on the dark web, with records including phone numbers, physical addresses, geolocation data, and inferred salaries.
The hacker who obtained the data has posted a sample of 1M records, and checks confirm that the data is both genuine and up-to-date …
RestorePrivacy reports that the hacker appears to have misused the official LinkedIn API to download the data, the same method used in a similar breach back in April.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/29/linkedin-breach/
Does Dido Harding work for LinkedIn?0 -
So your original post was wrong, glad we cleared that up.StuartDickson said:
Codified by Blair in 2005.TheScreamingEagles said:
Really? Really?StuartDickson said:
Labour would have a bit more credibility if it wasn’t for the fact that their hero Tony Blair introduced non-executive directorships.Scott_xP said:Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row
They existed well before Blair.
“History of non-executives in Whitehall
Non-executives were first introduced in the early 1990s. In 2005 the first corporate governance Code recommended that each Whitehall department should have at least two NEDs, to sit on the management board chaired by the permanent secretary. At the time there were 37 NEDs, in 14 departments.”
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/sites/constitution-unit/files/178_-_Critical_Friends__The_Role_of_Non_Executives_on_Whitehall_Boards.pdf0 -
It’s not really possible (or is it?) to maintain a professional career without a LinkedIn profile.TheScreamingEagles said:Another reason not to use LinkedIn.
A second massive LinkedIn breach reportedly exposes the data of 700M users, which is more than 92% of the total 756M users. The database is for sale on the dark web, with records including phone numbers, physical addresses, geolocation data, and inferred salaries.
The hacker who obtained the data has posted a sample of 1M records, and checks confirm that the data is both genuine and up-to-date …
RestorePrivacy reports that the hacker appears to have misused the official LinkedIn API to download the data, the same method used in a similar breach back in April.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/29/linkedin-breach/
Does Dido Harding work for LinkedIn?
What this in turn tells me is we cannot rely on some of these private companies to secure this data; we must regrettably regulate them as quasi public utilities.1 -
Its exactly that, he doesn't think we can score more than once during a game, therefore conceding a goal is a disaster. In the world cup, I think it was absolutely the right approach, England really didn't have the talent. Alli and Lingard aren't the same level as the likes of a Foden, who has just won the Champions League as one of the most instrumental players for Man City. Sancho absolutely tears up the Bundesliga. Grealish has been MoM in the two starts he made in the warm-ups and looked good the other night (although obviously Saka took the plaudits and rightly so).....nah bench them all.LostPassword said:
It betrays a lack of confidence. Makes you think that, as soon as we concede a goal, we are going out of the tournament, and Southgate thinks the same. There's been some great comebacks this tournament. You don't feel like England believe they can do the same.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...all reports are that waistcoat is going to be packing the defence, 3 centre backs, at least 2 defensive midfielders, no Grealish, no Foden (and of course no Sancho).
Most other teams would be working out how to maximise the effectiveness of these world class talents, waistcoat sticks them on the bench.
While the Chinese piss themselves at how poor the UK approach to security is, most other countries must piss themselves at finally England have players with world class ability and technique and they don't use them.
But what we have seen so far is the likes of Germany look very dodgy in defence, and England now genuinely do have some of the best attacking talent in Europe. But Southgate's instincts are always very conservative.0 -
What will overwhelm the NHS is the months of and years of government mandated lack of exercise and interruption to education amongst the young.Andy_Cooke said:
Not just death, though, is it?TOPPING said:
How can it be freedom day when it is still mooted that children will be kept from school if there is a positive test in the class. While literally hundreds of thousands of people go to sports events, the pub, etc.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
What exactly does no more restrictions mean? It means restrictions the govt decides to keep. Plenty of them. Some idiot on R4 just now saying well children...long covid...can affect them....
Vanishingly small probability of a child suffering from Covid. Otherwise, given that it has ripped through schools and unis these past few weeks, we would be hearing reports of children dying by the bucketload each day. Doesn't seem to be happening.
The probability of them being so seriously ill that they get hospitalised isn't trivial.
Nor is the chance of chronic illness and potential long-term organ damage.
They're not at the level where we can see any realistic chance of the NHS being overwhelmed by such, but we can't really dismiss the concern out of hand.
Unless they authorise use of vaccines for the under-18s very rapidly and get a whole load more supply, I can't see them getting jabbed in time, so it's not really plausible for them to be protected prior to opening up on the 19th. I can understand some being very worried about that, but it's not likely to cause any realistic delay, I wouldn't have thought. The schools breaking up should help a lot by limiting spread, though.
We can add to that the soaring mental health problems and a lifetime of crushing debt.
All vigorously applauded by you, of course.
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But what good does keeping the whole class off do once the rest of the class have negative PCRs?Andy_Cooke said:
Not just death, though, is it?TOPPING said:
How can it be freedom day when it is still mooted that children will be kept from school if there is a positive test in the class. While literally hundreds of thousands of people go to sports events, the pub, etc.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
What exactly does no more restrictions mean? It means restrictions the govt decides to keep. Plenty of them. Some idiot on R4 just now saying well children...long covid...can affect them....
Vanishingly small probability of a child suffering from Covid. Otherwise, given that it has ripped through schools and unis these past few weeks, we would be hearing reports of children dying by the bucketload each day. Doesn't seem to be happening.
The probability of them being so seriously ill that they get hospitalised isn't trivial.
Nor is the chance of chronic illness and potential long-term organ damage.
They're not at the level where we can see any realistic chance of the NHS being overwhelmed by such, but we can't really dismiss the concern out of hand.
Unless they authorise use of vaccines for the under-18s very rapidly and get a whole load more supply, I can't see them getting jabbed in time, so it's not really plausible for them to be protected prior to opening up on the 19th. I can understand some being very worried about that, but it's not likely to cause any realistic delay, I wouldn't have thought. The schools breaking up should help a lot by limiting spread, though.0 -
Thanks.RochdalePioneers said:
We're accepting that the previous supply chain where NI was an integral part of the UK is over. NI stores will source locally or from the south rather than be plugged into the UK.algarkirk said:
In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
It simply isn't economical to have NI and ROI as separate markets with separate labels and standards. Currently NI big supermarkets supplied mainly from UK with some all Ireland sourcing from ROI. Going forward NI consumers get ROI products.
Bound to be popular with the DUP. "Yet another betrayal" etc.
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Manchester travel ban lifted......
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-government-lifts-manchester-244213590 -
The DUP are going to go stark raving bonkers over this. Tesco Ballymena will stock Irish beef and Irish milk and Irish market products and all the other stuff that you don't get in Tesco Barnsley. "WHERE IS OUR BRITISH BANGER" - thats got to be worth a march with a sash and one of those little bowler hats all by itself.Gardenwalker said:
This is an important concession by both parties.algarkirk said:
In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
The EU has conceded a further extension of the current exemptions.
The U.K. has conceded:
a) that it was/is in the EU’s power to deny an extension
b) that the extension is there to allow Northern Irish retailers to source locally or from the Republic, in preference to U.K. supply chains.
The U.K. is slowly conceding the reality of a customs/regulatory border between GB and NI, long after have conceded it legally.0 -
Whereas Germany was very good at putting a away Austria…FrancisUrquhart said:
Only Italy stands in their way....and Italy struggled to put away Austria.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!0 -
ThanksGardenwalker said:
This is an important concession by both parties.algarkirk said:
In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
The EU has conceded a further extension of the current exemptions.
The U.K. has conceded:
a) that it was/is in the EU’s power to deny an extension
b) that the extension is there to allow Northern Irish retailers to source locally or from the Republic, in preference to U.K. supply chains.
The U.K. is slowly conceding the reality of a customs/regulatory border between GB and NI, long after have conceded it legally.
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If the mask mandate remains, it's not freedom day, and won't be presented as such.rcs1000 said:
Ummm: I'm in LA County and I haven't seen any reintroduction of a mask mandate. And the LA County Covid page has no mention of it (http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/). Also, LA County seven day case numbers are still heading down.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
So, not sure what your source is.0 -
The DUP have been comprehensively and continually cucked by the U.K., or rather by Boris Johnson and the Vote Leave administration.RochdalePioneers said:
The DUP are going to go stark raving bonkers over this. Tesco Ballymena will stock Irish beef and Irish milk and Irish market products and all the other stuff that you don't get in Tesco Barnsley. "WHERE IS OUR BRITISH BANGER" - thats got to be worth a march with a sash and one of those little bowler hats all by itself.Gardenwalker said:
This is an important concession by both parties.algarkirk said:
In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
The EU has conceded a further extension of the current exemptions.
The U.K. has conceded:
a) that it was/is in the EU’s power to deny an extension
b) that the extension is there to allow Northern Irish retailers to source locally or from the Republic, in preference to U.K. supply chains.
The U.K. is slowly conceding the reality of a customs/regulatory border between GB and NI, long after have conceded it legally.2 -
A lot of these companies would probably welcome a degree of regulation at this stage, as they're now large enough to absorb the additional costs and it would create an additional barrier to entry for any competition.Gardenwalker said:
It’s not really possible (or is it?) to maintain a professional career without a LinkedIn profile.TheScreamingEagles said:Another reason not to use LinkedIn.
A second massive LinkedIn breach reportedly exposes the data of 700M users, which is more than 92% of the total 756M users. The database is for sale on the dark web, with records including phone numbers, physical addresses, geolocation data, and inferred salaries.
The hacker who obtained the data has posted a sample of 1M records, and checks confirm that the data is both genuine and up-to-date …
RestorePrivacy reports that the hacker appears to have misused the official LinkedIn API to download the data, the same method used in a similar breach back in April.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/29/linkedin-breach/
Does Dido Harding work for LinkedIn?
What this in turn tells me is we cannot rely on some of these private companies to secure this data; we must regrettably regulate them as quasi public utilities.
The challenge then is not to introduce regulation, but to make sure that the regulation achieves what you want it to achieve (improving data security) rather than what they would want it to achieve (restricts competition).1 -
Well, it is Tuesday.RochdalePioneers said:
The DUP are going to go stark raving bonkers over this.Gardenwalker said:
This is an important concession by both parties.algarkirk said:
In which the irresistible force and the immoveable object are once again kicked down the road. (I can't make entire sense of TC's 6th point. Can anyone elucidate?)CarlottaVance said:
The EU has conceded a further extension of the current exemptions.
The U.K. has conceded:
a) that it was/is in the EU’s power to deny an extension
b) that the extension is there to allow Northern Irish retailers to source locally or from the Republic, in preference to U.K. supply chains.
The U.K. is slowly conceding the reality of a customs/regulatory border between GB and NI, long after have conceded it legally.
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The life outcomes of the young are being destroyed by a lockdown imposed on them to save the skins of the elderlyCookie said:
But what good does keeping the whole class off do once the rest of the class have negative PCRs?Andy_Cooke said:
Not just death, though, is it?TOPPING said:
How can it be freedom day when it is still mooted that children will be kept from school if there is a positive test in the class. While literally hundreds of thousands of people go to sports events, the pub, etc.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
What exactly does no more restrictions mean? It means restrictions the govt decides to keep. Plenty of them. Some idiot on R4 just now saying well children...long covid...can affect them....
Vanishingly small probability of a child suffering from Covid. Otherwise, given that it has ripped through schools and unis these past few weeks, we would be hearing reports of children dying by the bucketload each day. Doesn't seem to be happening.
The probability of them being so seriously ill that they get hospitalised isn't trivial.
Nor is the chance of chronic illness and potential long-term organ damage.
They're not at the level where we can see any realistic chance of the NHS being overwhelmed by such, but we can't really dismiss the concern out of hand.
Unless they authorise use of vaccines for the under-18s very rapidly and get a whole load more supply, I can't see them getting jabbed in time, so it's not really plausible for them to be protected prior to opening up on the 19th. I can understand some being very worried about that, but it's not likely to cause any realistic delay, I wouldn't have thought. The schools breaking up should help a lot by limiting spread, though.
They have been fed to the wolves by the very people who now want to turn them into pin cushions over a disease that does not really affect them.
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There's nothing wrong with NEDs per se if they are appointed properly. They should have a role equivalent to the Governors at a school or college, roughly.StuartDickson said:
Codified by Blair in 2005.TheScreamingEagles said:
Really? Really?StuartDickson said:
Labour would have a bit more credibility if it wasn’t for the fact that their hero Tony Blair introduced non-executive directorships.Scott_xP said:Matt Hancock appointed a friend to a role that included scrutinising his work as a minister. They earned £15,000 for 15 days’ work.
There are 85 of these positions - including more Tory friends and donors.
We need a fully independent appointment process.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1409851895225724929
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/29/labour-urges-overhaul-of-whitehall-oversight-rules-after-hancock-row
They existed well before Blair.
“History of non-executives in Whitehall
Non-executives were first introduced in the early 1990s. In 2005 the first corporate governance Code recommended that each Whitehall department should have at least two NEDs, to sit on the management board chaired by the permanent secretary. At the time there were 37 NEDs, in 14 departments.”
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/sites/constitution-unit/files/178_-_Critical_Friends__The_Role_of_Non_Executives_on_Whitehall_Boards.pdf
The problem is the cronyism in the way this government appoints people to NED roles, particularly, and obviously, Hancock.0 -
Cloth eared? Tories? I’m shocked.geoffw said:Cloth eared. Like the leniency towards UEFA bigwigs and hangers on.
And you trust your data to public utilities? Quaint.Gardenwalker said:
It’s not really possible (or is it?) to maintain a professional career without a LinkedIn profile.TheScreamingEagles said:Another reason not to use LinkedIn.
A second massive LinkedIn breach reportedly exposes the data of 700M users, which is more than 92% of the total 756M users. The database is for sale on the dark web, with records including phone numbers, physical addresses, geolocation data, and inferred salaries.
The hacker who obtained the data has posted a sample of 1M records, and checks confirm that the data is both genuine and up-to-date …
RestorePrivacy reports that the hacker appears to have misused the official LinkedIn API to download the data, the same method used in a similar breach back in April.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/29/linkedin-breach/
Does Dido Harding work for LinkedIn?
What this in turn tells me is we cannot rely on some of these private companies to secure this data; we must regrettably regulate them as quasi public utilities.0 -
Nope - 10 horses left as 6 of the round of 16 are played...MikeSmithson said:
At the moment it is a 14 horse raceTheScreamingEagles said:
I have.ping said:I’ve come to an uncomfortable conclusion on the euro outright market.
Germany, at ~7/1, are the value bet.
I can’t quite bring myself to back them, though!
All things being equal the winner of the England v. Germany match gets to the final.
In a two horse race you'd be happy with a 7/1 bet.0 -
Was it you who posted the stats yesterday? Some number, perhaps 60 under 30s had died.Andy_Cooke said:
Not just death, though, is it?TOPPING said:
How can it be freedom day when it is still mooted that children will be kept from school if there is a positive test in the class. While literally hundreds of thousands of people go to sports events, the pub, etc.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
What exactly does no more restrictions mean? It means restrictions the govt decides to keep. Plenty of them. Some idiot on R4 just now saying well children...long covid...can affect them....
Vanishingly small probability of a child suffering from Covid. Otherwise, given that it has ripped through schools and unis these past few weeks, we would be hearing reports of children dying by the bucketload each day. Doesn't seem to be happening.
The probability of them being so seriously ill that they get hospitalised isn't trivial.
Nor is the chance of chronic illness and potential long-term organ damage.
They're not at the level where we can see any realistic chance of the NHS being overwhelmed by such, but we can't really dismiss the concern out of hand.
Unless they authorise use of vaccines for the under-18s very rapidly and get a whole load more supply, I can't see them getting jabbed in time, so it's not really plausible for them to be protected prior to opening up on the 19th. I can understand some being very worried about that, but it's not likely to cause any realistic delay, I wouldn't have thought. The schools breaking up should help a lot by limiting spread, though.
Shocking obvs but not a reason to seriously fuck with the education and mental health of an entire generation.
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I was merely pointing out that @HYUFD's claim that a mask mandate had been reintroduced in LA County is incorrect.Cookie said:
If the mask mandate remains, it's not freedom day, and won't be presented as such.rcs1000 said:
Ummm: I'm in LA County and I haven't seen any reintroduction of a mask mandate. And the LA County Covid page has no mention of it (http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/). Also, LA County seven day case numbers are still heading down.HYUFD said:
I am not sure it will be full Freedom Day, with even Australia restoring lockdown in some states and LA county reimposing a mask wearing request because of the Delta variant I would imagine masks will still be required to be worn in shops and on public transport, the biggest events will still have a capacity limit and quarantine will still be required for visits to red list countries and for the non double vaccinated to amber countries even from the middle of next month.FrancisUrquhart said:Those undertaking activities with significant economic benefit have always had favourable rules during this pandemic.
Remember the you can meet up with people in a restaurant if it was for this. Or travel, the plebs can't go on holiday, but business people have been able to travel basically unhindered throughout.
Given Freedom day is only 3 weeks away, I am not sure it will make a lot of difference.
I think this new government exemption would therefore certainly be very unpopular if executives returned from a red list country without quarantining
So, not sure what your source is.0
